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		<title>By: Robert Owen</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-2/#comment-1631</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least he is in &quot;o&quot;  I have been cast out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least he is in &#8220;o&#8221;  I have been cast out</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Owen</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-2/#comment-1627</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really Know
I did say his Satire was pathetic  but that is hardly indefinite ban stuff . I will email him and find out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really Know<br />
I did say his Satire was pathetic  but that is hardly indefinite ban stuff . I will email him and find out</p>
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		<title>By: Nih</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-2/#comment-1626</link>
		<dc:creator>Nih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know is, what month is at 0 and how did redbaiter get into it? Tricky nazis and their unholy science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is, what month is at 0 and how did redbaiter get into it? Tricky nazis and their unholy science.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesK</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-2/#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What exactly did you say that got Farrar so wound up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly did you say that got Farrar so wound up?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Owen</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-2/#comment-1622</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Current Demerits:
Dad4Justice - 35 (15/10/07) and 20 (15/10/07) and 20 (16/10/07) and 50 (17/10/07) = 125
Redbaiter - 35 (15/0/07)
Current Suspensions:
Robinson/Robinsod (until 1 November)
Robert Owen (indefinite - for grossly abusive vitriol towards the blog owner)
Dad4Justice (1 week until 25 October 2007)&lt;/i&gt;
I appear to be worse then Redbaiter and D4J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Current Demerits:<br />
Dad4Justice &#8211; 35 (15/10/07) and 20 (15/10/07) and 20 (16/10/07) and 50 (17/10/07) = 125<br />
Redbaiter &#8211; 35 (15/0/07)<br />
Current Suspensions:<br />
Robinson/Robinsod (until 1 November)<br />
Robert Owen (indefinite &#8211; for grossly abusive vitriol towards the blog owner)<br />
Dad4Justice (1 week until 25 October 2007)</i><br />
I appear to be worse then Redbaiter and D4J</p>
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		<title>By: ahod</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1588</link>
		<dc:creator>ahod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A blog about National party censorship posted today:
http://www.publicaddress.net/cracker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A blog about National party censorship posted today:<br />
<a href="http://www.publicaddress.net/cracker" rel="nofollow">http://www.publicaddress.net/cracker</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam Dixon</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>santa, I&#039;m well aware of Labour&#039;s overspend.  I&#039;m asking about National&#039;s.  I forgot they had done that shifty trick with the charities (wonder which they were incidentally), effectively it was the broadcasters donating to the charities of course - they were the ones who got an asset (the money National owed them) wiped off their books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>santa, I&#8217;m well aware of Labour&#8217;s overspend.  I&#8217;m asking about National&#8217;s.  I forgot they had done that shifty trick with the charities (wonder which they were incidentally), effectively it was the broadcasters donating to the charities of course &#8211; they were the ones who got an asset (the money National owed them) wiped off their books.</p>
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		<title>By: Nih</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1573</link>
		<dc:creator>Nih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not very jolly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not very jolly.</p>
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		<title>By: Santa Clawz</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1570</link>
		<dc:creator>Santa Clawz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, you are letting your calm discussion standards slip there Nil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, you are letting your calm discussion standards slip there Nil.</p>
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		<title>By: Nih</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>Nih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be surprised if you ever showed any moderation, fattie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be surprised if you ever showed any moderation, fattie.</p>
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		<title>By: Santa Claws</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1563</link>
		<dc:creator>Santa Claws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sambo

Remember this, for the paragons of virtue on the ninth floor?
http://www.oag.govt.nz/2006/election-spending/

or this?

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/05/summary_of_the_case.html

For the conclusion to the saga see this

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0611/S00421.htm

And for the expected &#039;calm discussion&#039;
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/11/gst_donated_to_charity.html

Sant-a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sambo</p>
<p>Remember this, for the paragons of virtue on the ninth floor?<br />
<a href="http://www.oag.govt.nz/2006/election-spending/" rel="nofollow">http://www.oag.govt.nz/2006/election-spending/</a></p>
<p>or this?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/05/summary_of_the_case.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/05/summary_of_the_case.html</a></p>
<p>For the conclusion to the saga see this</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0611/S00421.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0611/S00421.htm</a></p>
<p>And for the expected &#8216;calm discussion&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/11/gst_donated_to_charity.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/11/gst_donated_to_charity.html</a></p>
<p>Sant-a</p>
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		<title>By: Santa Clawz</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1559</link>
		<dc:creator>Santa Clawz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moderation eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderation eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Santa Claws</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1557</link>
		<dc:creator>Santa Claws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sambo

Perhaps you&#039;d like to review these before beating off over the poor old Nats
http://www.oag.govt.nz/2006/election-spending/
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/05/summary_of_the_case.html

Remember dat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sambo</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;d like to review these before beating off over the poor old Nats<br />
<a href="http://www.oag.govt.nz/2006/election-spending/" rel="nofollow">http://www.oag.govt.nz/2006/election-spending/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/05/summary_of_the_case.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/05/summary_of_the_case.html</a></p>
<p>Remember dat?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Dixon</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1548</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graeme - do you know if the broadcasters just forgave National&#039;s debt to them, and if so how does that sit in terms of electoral fiance law?  

If, (if), that&#039;s the case, there&#039;s a transfer of wealth from the broadcasters to National.  Presumably, that has to be counted as a doantion, and reported if over $10,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme &#8211; do you know if the broadcasters just forgave National&#8217;s debt to them, and if so how does that sit in terms of electoral fiance law?  </p>
<p>If, (if), that&#8217;s the case, there&#8217;s a transfer of wealth from the broadcasters to National.  Presumably, that has to be counted as a doantion, and reported if over $10,000.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Edgeler</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Edgeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Burt.Sorry but you missed the point.
GST has nothing to do with the retrospective legislation.
It is a tax matter not an electoral one.&quot;

Partly true.

GST did have nothing to do with the retrospective legislation. However it is not a tax matter. It is a debt matter.

GST is paid by the seller to the Government. In this case by the broadcasters. They will have paid the GST, no GST is outstanding.

National&#039;s problem is/was that they hadn&#039;t paid their debts. They arranged for $1m of advertising and paid $900k for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Burt.Sorry but you missed the point.<br />
GST has nothing to do with the retrospective legislation.<br />
It is a tax matter not an electoral one.&#8221;</p>
<p>Partly true.</p>
<p>GST did have nothing to do with the retrospective legislation. However it is not a tax matter. It is a debt matter.</p>
<p>GST is paid by the seller to the Government. In this case by the broadcasters. They will have paid the GST, no GST is outstanding.</p>
<p>National&#8217;s problem is/was that they hadn&#8217;t paid their debts. They arranged for $1m of advertising and paid $900k for it.</p>
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