Comments on: National / Maori ETS now law

By: mike

mike — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:26:40 +0000

And when do we start eating each other mad micky?

Your alarmist bullshit gets better everyday…

By: marty mars

marty mars — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:10:52 +0000

Good points Geek

It may have been the time for them to make a stand to say that this is the issue that defines us, here we draw the line or maybe that time is coming up.

By: r0b

r0b — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:01:58 +0000

vto – addressed in another thread
http://www.thestandard.org.nz/our-word-is-our-bond/

By: Geek

Geek — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:00:13 +0000

The problem is Marty that you are using the same rational that National used to introduce this legislation in the first place.

A very small percentage are Maori so its not their responsibility, well national said we shouldn’t lead the way because New Zealand is a very small percentage of the worlds polluters.

The Maori party had the chance to stand up and do something good for their people that would have been good for us all. Instead they sold their votes for the benefit of a few to the detriment of the many, be they Maori or Non-Maori.

By: Zorr

Zorr — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:23:36 +0000

Probably should change the ETS’s in there to EFA’s

Just saying… ^_^

By: Craig Glen Eden

Craig Glen Eden — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:26:09 +0000

None so blind as those who choose not to see aye VTO .
What did National change when they got into power on the ETS. Jack shit, why? Because fundamentally it did not cause the end of democracy as National and its Granny Herald Supporters said it would.

The real reason the Nats don’t like the ETS is because it stops them trying to buy elections.

Lets face it this is standard stuff for the Nats they were never going to give a rats about the environment. The real hypocrites in this are the Maori Elite Party.

Shame on them!

By: vto

vto — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:38:40 +0000

r0b “Shame on those who supported this appalling legislation and the anti-democratic process used to ram it in to law.”

Labour did the exact same thing with the EFA.

Now the Nats and Maori have done it with the ETS.

They are both as bad as each other, as I and others keep pointing out. Agree r0b? I don’t imagine so. I’m sure you will have some creaky old excuse lurking amongst the cobwebs. I would be most curious to know if, and how, you distinguish between the two crappy laws and their processes.

Key and Clark now live on the same page in the history scrapbook.

By: Bored

Bored — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:13:07 +0000

Our grandchildren might be tempted to dig up John Keys corpse and do a Cromwell on it (hang draw quarter)….problem is by then the ground will be too hardd to dig and under tons of sand in the baking heat. Shame on the MP for allowing this for short term gain.

By: Christopher Nimmo

Christopher Nimmo — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:36:03 +0000

He shouldn’t be worried about his ETS vote so much as the fact that Katrina Shanks now has a much, much bigger presence in Ohariu than him. Which means that Charles Chauvel will probably win in 2011.

By: Lanthanide

Lanthanide — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:19:45 +0000

I’m wondering if this’ll have any serious impact on Peter Dunne, since he also voted for the bill.

By: Jake Quinn

Jake Quinn — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:15:35 +0000

I have this creeping feeling that Richard Long will be right and that the ETS is going to be the “electoral finance act’ of the National Party.

I bet if you vox popped people on the street, asking them what impression they had about the ETS people would say “oh i don’t really know what’s going on but I get the feeling Maori tribes are getting some massive concessions from it .. and isn’t this supposed to be about cutting emissions, not doing deals?’

And those who know a bit about it would say “i’m a bit worried that it won’t actually reduce emissions much aye, cause all the polluters seem to have an easy ride, so what’s the point?’

I’m not sure who will actually _like_ the legislation, apart from a few Maori foresters.

I guess this is consistent with National’s private view they don’t like the ETS or any of this bullshit, they see it as a European issue that they just need to be seen to be doing a little about, without imposing much costs on farmers and the energy sector.

By: infused

infused — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:41:56 +0000

Life isn’t at risk. While this ETS is shit, it’s still better than Labours ETS. I wish for NO ETS at all.

Another National voter that’s pissed off. I know many other National voters are too.

By: gitmo

gitmo — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:35:36 +0000

“But the world will be destroyed.

The sky is not falling right now. But the icebergs will be floating past soon and after a while Australia will become inhabitable and they will all want to come over here.”

Because of a poxy ETS in NZ ?? I think you’ve soiled yourself.

By: Draco T Bastard

Draco T Bastard — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:35:28 +0000

Industry isn’t quite as important as life.

By: outofbed

outofbed — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:33:22 +0000

Nick Smith is a very clever operator, I even heard Rahui Katene in parliament praising the way them M Party had been treated by the Minister, Talk about naive.
Its not the MParty’s fault, you expect people to be honest and negotiate in good faith.
You can NOT do that with Smith he is not to be trusted
If he could shaft them he would and probably has.
Smith is extremely convincing knows his stuff and is always comes across as very confident but is prone to extreme bouts of anger (I had an interesting chat with someone who once worked in his office ),
A few of us in Nelson who have had dealings with him know he is a sly dishonest and devious person, but there are many who do not see that side of him it is extremely frustrating , campaigning in the 2008 I met a few people who were party voting Green and were voting for him as the constituency Mp as he was such a good bloke. WTF
As an aside in 2005 because of there racist nature,I wrote criticising the iwi/kiwi billboards that were be put up in Nelson by the National Party .
Smith was comfortable with them and very dismissive of critics
He is either mad. bad or both