Written By: - Date published: 11:52 am, October 15th, 2007 - 119 comments
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Shortly after Jim Anderton published a press release saying that he was adding his signature to our petition asking John Key to apologise for claiming the the war in Iraq was over we received the following email from the National Party.
I guess when you’re so heavily reliant on style over substance, these are just the kind of things you’d get your knickers in a twist over.
So National’s all for freedom of speech – but only when it suits them.
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Whale, stop trying to spin your way out of your repugnant behaviour. The guy’s clearly doing more than sitting there in his boxers. And you stuck a 15 year old boy’s head on his body.
And that’s not all you’ve been doing. What on earth possessed you to make these?
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2046
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=8660
Hey, Whaleoil, was it hard getting Miramax’s approval to use the Kill Bill imagery on your site?
“Yes, I was rather disappointed that my points, made minus any abusive tendencies, were somewhat overlooked by other debaters.”
Sometimes when people don’t respond, it is because they can’t respond. Carry on making good points calmly I say!
Whale – I’d love to have a drink with you. Just let me know when and where and I’ll be there.
Whaleoil – that is fucking sick shit. You’ve got serious serious issues if you think it’s funny to photoshop a fricken 15 year old kid on a image of a guy in his boxers with his hands down his pants. Sick sick sick. And incredibly immoral.
That’s the kind of thing you should bloody well be taken to trial for. And don’t try and tell me there’s nothing wrong with a fat middle aged man with children putting up an image like that.
Whaleoil
Those altered images of our elected leader are something I would expect from a teenager. Not to mention disrespectful.
I love this…. Nil plays all sanctimonious about raising the standard (lol) of posting here and then defends slagging off Whale.
That most agree his posting is/was distasteful is not the issue. The issue is that the cowardly folks here insist on one standard for others and adopt another for themselves. Pathetic!
Come on folks, lift your game.
Apologies, that should have been Nih
Just looked at the aforementioned images Leftie.
I have three teenagers and all of them have more integrity
then Mr Blubber None of them would be so disrespectful.
I am appalled
amk – what do you mean the cowardly folks here insist on one standard for others and adopt another for themselves ? Please explain further.
sanctimonious lefties…..
For one i didn’t do the Britney/Clark image. Sure I posted it so what?
The Suckling image doesn’t even use Clarks face, I mean come on, they had the PM on television tonight and she looked nothing like that. If you can show me a real picture of clark that looks like that then I’ll eat my hat.
that leaves the picture of a guy scratching his balls, hardly “gay porn” but if that’s what rocks your world then good for you.
Anyway how was I to know James was 25, he had a blogger account, you have to be 18 for one of those so hey, if he hadn’t broken the rules and then gone all mental all over everyones blogs….well he wouldn’t have been a target. Tough shit for him, its a real world out there not some namby pamby cotton wool world. Harden up softies.
Whale. Time. Place.
Robinsod, sure. Earlier in this thread .
nih said: Attempt to be adults, gentlemen and raise the bar on the quality of your forum discussions
amk responded: Excellent advice Nih. Remind Tane of that when he re-reads his post: “And while you’re here, how’s it going? You still photoshopping the heads of 15 year boys onto gay porn? How’s that working out for you?”
nil responded: “amk, I have an easy answer for you. I don’t photoshop heads of boys onto porn. I see you juveniles have no hope of joining the adult community”
So Nil quite correctly implores us to improve the quality of our posts (ie be objective, rather than subjective in attacking the poster) and then proceeds to justify attacking Whale (the subject) because he/she thought what he did was objectionable. Which BTW I agree it is. but that’s not the issue.
Play the ball, not the player. Same rules for both sides sounds both fair and reasonable I would have thought.
As simple, “I’m sorry, that was wrong” would do. But that might require some humility and I don’t see much of that around this site.
Heh, I saw one Tiny’s multudinous links to thestupid over at KB and thought I’d take a look into the cesspit.
Well, my my isn’t it a pile of self fellating lefties over here then, getting all worked up over ‘gay porn’. I would have thought that supporters of homosexual liberation would be happy to see such images on mainstream web sites. Goodness, anyone would think the asssteemed authors of this blog had joined the US born-again christian clique (wee website linked above – and don’t go looking for the pictures now boyz)
Sweet (wet) dreams to Tiny, Nil, and co
SC
Yeah, Whale, back to my question…was it difficult getting Miramax’s approval to use the Kill Bill imagery.
thestupid?! Ha! You’re a genius Santa! That’s even funnier than the other ones your mates over at KB came up with… what were they? Oh that’s right, The Average and The (low) Standard. Honestly, that’s some pure comedy gold mate.
You know what’s even funnier? Your website’s called Americans for Truth about Homosexuality. Yep, I think even DPF would be ashamed to be associated with the likes of you.
“So Nil quite correctly implores us to improve the quality of our posts (ie be objective, rather than subjective in attacking the poster) and then proceeds to justify attacking Whale (the subject) because he/she thought what he did was objectionable. Which BTW I agree it is. but that’s not the issue.
Play the ball, not the player. Same rules for both sides sounds both fair and reasonable I would have thought”
hmmm well objectivly…whaleoil is one sick fuck for getting his thrills from his little photoshop extravaganza. that ball is sad, shrivled up and pathetic…who ever is playing it is related to satan
amk – I think both Tane and Nih are pretty much pointing out that Whale does not behave in a way that deserves respect and thus will be shown none. Can you tell me how your use of the term “cowardly folks” adds to the debate or are you just slinging shit from beneath the cover of self-righteousness?
Oh and Santa – you’re obviously gay. Please for your own sake and for the sake of the gay men you beat up and revile out of frustration get to grips with it. It’s the 21st century man. It’s ok to be queer.
Whale – Time. Place.
Geez Tiny, I wasn’t trying to be funny, just factual. I think the American religious right is about as credible and sensible as Bishop Brian. I was merely pointing out that y’all are gay-bashing. I guess it makes a change from church-bashing
Still I would guess from your reply that you boyz are anti-christian, right? It must really bunch your panties to see Helen off greasing palms at Ratana every year eh?
SC
play the ball not the player. if you start justifying slagging off a person, for whatever reason, then it’s all down hill.
still, it’s your blog guys. if you want Left politics to be seen as low and backstabbing then just continue as you are.
Fans of the government that tried to ban satirical images of politicians taking refuge in satire to defend their nicked image, how delicious. Is it even satire? It’s certainly not funny, was it trying to be?
Hey santa – you made your stupid joke an said your goodnights now fuck off. Oh and it’s not about a gay image you dick it’s about the cyberbullying of a fifteen year old boy by a middle aged man. Sorry if a general disgust with that seems out of order to you. But seeing as it is you can just fuck off (did I already say that?)
.said your goodnights now fuck off. but seeing as it is you can just fuck off
It’s a warm welcoming environment here isn’t it.
It must be tedious to post only to get ignored.
Chance – according to my dictionary satire is “holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn”. Sounds fair to me. And I don’t think anyone here is calling for a satire ban in Parliament. I do know both National and Labour supported it. What’s your point, or are you just a troll?
amk – I’ve never claimed to be warm or welcoming nor have I claimed to be elevating teh standard of debate. My rule of thumb is if there’s rational debate I’ll be polite and if some cunt comes in with shit like Well, my my isn’t it a pile of self fellating lefties over here then then I’ll tell them to fuck off. It’s pretty simple bro – you act like a dick you get treated like one. Or should we defer to wankers ? And you never told me how your use of “cowardly folks” enhanced this debate. Care to now?
So back to the topic at hand: do you believe it is okay to respect an author’s or photographer’s copyright? (if “hypothetically” your ‘political satire’ argument doesn’t stand up)
If not, why not??
Geez Robespierre, if it’s so awful, how come (ho ho ho) you posted a link to it in this comments thread? That just re-victimization man! Shame on you!
Play the balls, not the man, old boy!
Santa – I put it there to shame Whale. Because the problem with you righties is you’ve got no sense of personal responsibility and if you’re not confronted with your own filth you can’t seem to believe you are in the wrong. I made a judgment that repeating that image would do more to shame Whale (and perhaps stop him and his ilk from repeat offenses) than it would to harm James. I stand by that – it’s called accounting for one’s own actions. You should try it some time. Oh and what’s with the whole santa theme anyway? Do you think it’s funny?
amk, you might want to pause and think a little. Please. I’m being nice. You accuse people of playing the man, not the ball and issue what I am sure are heart felt pleas for comity but at the same time you ignore much of what has been written.
The attacks on whaleoil that you claim are against the man, are in fact against the mans disgusting, juvenile and frankly creepy photoshop “gags” (gags that I am sure would be an embarrassment to his lardships father).
Any attack on whale in that context is in no way ad hominum, they are attacks on the discourse he is promoting through the use of those gaggs. You can in any robust debate legitimatly say nasty things about someone if those nasty things are the conclusion of your argument. Using nasty things as a premiss in your argument is what is dodgy, but no-one here is doing that with regard to whaleoil. The argument is:
Look at what whaeloil is doing.
It’s disgusting.
Waleoil is doing disgusting shit.
Therefore: Whaleoil is a disgusting shitbag, whose site makes Labour voters out of every National leaning swing voter that is made aware of the filthy nature of the on-line right in NZ.
Geddit?
Heh, if the great white whale was shamed, he could easily remove the picture from his web server, along with the referencing blog post.
Still, I’m sure you and your buddies have it saved to your hard (ho ho ho) drive in case it is ever needed again, right? right? (or should that be left left)
Keep up the terror Robespierre
That’s the point Santa. Whale is utterly shameless. He’s an abomination of a man who can’t see it even when it’s thrust in his face. In many ways, he’s much like Dad4Justice.
Pascal bookie – thanks for a reasoned reply. Whale made quite a valid point “Uhmmmm.not so much about free speech but property rights.You have neglected to tell everyone that neither National nor John Key own the image. It is in fact owned by the Dominion Post.”. He was immediately attacked.
From your post above am I to assume that anyone who does something you find disagreeable, nay disgusting, is thereafter consigned to the trash can and deemed incapable of saying anything of value, or, that anything they say is an opportunity to attack previous unrelated actions?
grrr html close tags!
I’d like to compliment the guys here at the standard for such excellent work,
I’d also like to personally thank Mr Whale Oil for this excellent link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nznationalparty/
Hours and hours of fun Whaley, I bet your chums at the National party are chuffed to bits for you disseminating that site.