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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-142304</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ECECA of which you write covers around 200 centre=based and home-based services nationally, which is still a relatively small part of the sector.  And while it is supposed to be stepping towards pay parity it is significantly behind the kindergarten agreement (which has full parity) on the base scale (probably two tranches behind, off the top of my head).  It&#039;s being re-negotiated later this year, and given the Ministry&#039;s $20M mistake around the funding increase last year (and thus the unlikelihood of a significant increase on the new funding rates that are supposed to come in on July 1st) it will be interesting to see the outcome of those talks, specifically on the issue of salaries.  

It&#039;s not all bad news though - the leadership scales for the ECECA are in fact ahead of their kindergarten colleagues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ECECA of which you write covers around 200 centre=based and home-based services nationally, which is still a relatively small part of the sector.  And while it is supposed to be stepping towards pay parity it is significantly behind the kindergarten agreement (which has full parity) on the base scale (probably two tranches behind, off the top of my head).  It&#8217;s being re-negotiated later this year, and given the Ministry&#8217;s $20M mistake around the funding increase last year (and thus the unlikelihood of a significant increase on the new funding rates that are supposed to come in on July 1st) it will be interesting to see the outcome of those talks, specifically on the issue of salaries.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not all bad news though &#8211; the leadership scales for the ECECA are in fact ahead of their kindergarten colleagues.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-142194</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You get the bonus point, only another 299 and you get a pink bicycle :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You get the bonus point, only another 299 and you get a pink bicycle <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-142193</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,

Now I&#039;m all confused :) I thought there was pay parity for ECE teachers in non-kindergarten centres as long as those employers are parties to the Early Childhood Education Collective Agreement. I know some employers are not within the collective, but I thought there was parity for some non kindergarten ECE teachers. Can you please straighten my head out :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m all confused <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I thought there was pay parity for ECE teachers in non-kindergarten centres as long as those employers are parties to the Early Childhood Education Collective Agreement. I know some employers are not within the collective, but I thought there was parity for some non kindergarten ECE teachers. Can you please straighten my head out <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: outofbed</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-142190</link>
		<dc:creator>outofbed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great leap backwards.

MGCSP

i claim bonus point</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great leap backwards.</p>
<p>MGCSP</p>
<p>i claim bonus point</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-142189</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not arguing that secondary teaching and early childhood teaching are identical, they are definitely not.  In early childhood teaching for example completely different methods of assessment are used, such as learning stories tying the child&#039;s activities in with Te Whariki (the ECE curriculum), which teachers use to build a portfolio for each child.  This doesn&#039;t happen in secondary teaching, and takes a significant amount of time, effort and skill and can really only be done when out of contact with the children.  Many kindergarten teachers do these learning stories in their own time, as they do not have enough paid hours to do them in.  This is but one example of some of the work below the water that may not be readily apparent to the outside eye.

You may be pleased to know that outside of kindergarten (so the remaining 75% of the ECE sector) there is no pay parity.  Personally I hope we can change that in time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not arguing that secondary teaching and early childhood teaching are identical, they are definitely not.  In early childhood teaching for example completely different methods of assessment are used, such as learning stories tying the child&#8217;s activities in with Te Whariki (the ECE curriculum), which teachers use to build a portfolio for each child.  This doesn&#8217;t happen in secondary teaching, and takes a significant amount of time, effort and skill and can really only be done when out of contact with the children.  Many kindergarten teachers do these learning stories in their own time, as they do not have enough paid hours to do them in.  This is but one example of some of the work below the water that may not be readily apparent to the outside eye.</p>
<p>You may be pleased to know that outside of kindergarten (so the remaining 75% of the ECE sector) there is no pay parity.  Personally I hope we can change that in time!</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard J</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-141932</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You let your National Party membership lapse? For shame!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You let your National Party membership lapse? For shame!  <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, great post if you conveniently ignore the following:

1. That National has boosted the Ministry of Women&#039;s Affairs budget by $2 million to take a broader, strategic approach to the gender pay gap (as opposed to the operational monitoring and evaluation that the DoL&#039;s PEE unit was doing.)

2. This is actually the biggest increase to its funding in its history.

3. That the previous Labour government rejected budget bids from the MWA in two successive years.

4. That the pay gap has stalled at 12% for the past 8 years - under Labour&#039;s watch. (Is this what you call &quot;progress&#039;?)

5. That under Labour, ACC had funded Auckland Sexual Abuse Help (board member: one Judith Tizzard) outside the provisions of the ACC legislation. (Presumably you&#039;re in favour of the government operating outside the law?)

6. That notwithstanding this, the current Minister of Women&#039;s Affairs arranged to extend their funding while alternative sources are found.

I&#039;m not sure whether you are being disingenuous or naÃ¯ve to wonder why you haven&#039;t been &quot;consulted&#039; when you made the decision well before the election to crap on National at every opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, great post if you conveniently ignore the following:</p>
<p>1. That National has boosted the Ministry of Women&#8217;s Affairs budget by $2 million to take a broader, strategic approach to the gender pay gap (as opposed to the operational monitoring and evaluation that the DoL&#8217;s PEE unit was doing.)</p>
<p>2. This is actually the biggest increase to its funding in its history.</p>
<p>3. That the previous Labour government rejected budget bids from the MWA in two successive years.</p>
<p>4. That the pay gap has stalled at 12% for the past 8 years &#8211; under Labour&#8217;s watch. (Is this what you call &#8220;progress&#8217;?)</p>
<p>5. That under Labour, ACC had funded Auckland Sexual Abuse Help (board member: one Judith Tizzard) outside the provisions of the ACC legislation. (Presumably you&#8217;re in favour of the government operating outside the law?)</p>
<p>6. That notwithstanding this, the current Minister of Women&#8217;s Affairs arranged to extend their funding while alternative sources are found.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether you are being disingenuous or naÃ¯ve to wonder why you haven&#8217;t been &#8220;consulted&#8217; when you made the decision well before the election to crap on National at every opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: sweetd</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-141806</link>
		<dc:creator>sweetd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why had the gender gap been closing since 1972 (Equal Pay Act) passed by National until 2001 and from that point it stalled?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why had the gender gap been closing since 1972 (Equal Pay Act) passed by National until 2001 and from that point it stalled?</p>
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		<title>By: rocky</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-141736</link>
		<dc:creator>rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As opposed to you, clearly all mature and grown up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As opposed to you, clearly all mature and grown up?</p>
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		<title>By: lukas</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-141648</link>
		<dc:creator>lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post, you reminded me that I need to renew my subscription to the He Man Women Haters Club</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post, you reminded me that I need to renew my subscription to the He Man Women Haters Club</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-141645</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its the title to this thread thats thick and ignorant.

And pathetic.

And ugly.

Got a bit of growing up to do yet rocky..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the title to this thread thats thick and ignorant.</p>
<p>And pathetic.</p>
<p>And ugly.</p>
<p>Got a bit of growing up to do yet rocky..</p>
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		<title>By: Chris G</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-141643</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets get real here. The Nats dont give a fuck about Pansy Wong, clearly Brownlee and co. snigg.er when she speaks in the house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets get real here. The Nats dont give a fuck about Pansy Wong, clearly Brownlee and co. snigg.er when she speaks in the house.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris G</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-141642</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>odd then, that the leader and party president are men.

Douche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>odd then, that the leader and party president are men.</p>
<p>Douche.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-141627</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what?</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard J</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/national-still-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-141621</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vto
still 
beats
his
wife</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vto<br />
still<br />
beats<br />
his<br />
wife</p>
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