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Nationalise Air New Zealand

Written By: - Date published: 8:59 am, March 18th, 2008 - 64 comments
Categories: assets, workers' rights - Tags: ,

160The recent scandal over Air New Zealand underpaying its Chinese workers to the tune of four times less than their New Zealand counterparts comes as no surprise given the sick management culture at our national carrier, and highlights some serious contradictions in the airline’s ownership structure.

Here we have a company that’s 80% owned by us, the New Zealand public, and yet because it is structured as a private company it’s allowed to act unethically and even undermine our national interests in the pursuit of short-term profit.

You will recall how Air New Zealand secretly ferried troops to Iraq in defiance of the New Zealand public, half-succeeded in gutting our high-skill, high-wage aircraft engineering industry, and has tried to cut the wages of thousands of Kiwi workers by contracting their jobs to third parties at lower rates and outsourcing anything that can’t be nailed down to low-wage economies.

It’s time we got some democratic control over our national carrier by bringing it into full public ownership and strengthened our labour laws to stop the airline undermining its workers’ pay and conditions.

Helen Clark shouldn’t be excusing Air New Zealand’s behaviour – she should be nationalising it.

64 comments on “Nationalise Air New Zealand”

  1. Santi 1

    “Helen Clark shouldn’t be excusing Air New Zealand’s behaviour – she should be nationalising it.”

    That’s laughable Tane. Why do you stop there? Why don’t you propose the nationalision of Fletcher Building, Hubbard Cereals, Steel & Tube, AIA, and the rest of private enterprise?

    You should come clean and propose a socialist state where shareholder rights equal zero and the state owns everything. Otherwise let Air NZ deal with the wages problem in its own way, based on commercial realities, not political dogmatism.

  2. Billy 2

    Great idea, Tane. Turn a profitable business giving the taxpayer a return into a social service subsidised by the taxpayer.

  3. Daveo 3

    Why do you stop there? Why don’t you propose the nationalision of Fletcher Building, Hubbard Cereals, Steel & Tube, AIA, and the rest of private enterprise?

    We probably should, but that’s a different story. Air New Zealand is a strategic asset owned by the public but it’s not acting like it. Making it an SOE would mean it would have to be a decent employer and the public would have more control over how it operated. You definitely wouldn’t see any more secret flights to Iraq.

    This seems both in tune with Santi’s ‘commercial reality’ and Billy’s ‘profitable business giving the taxpayer a return’.

  4. Tane 4

    Funny how the right’s tone has changed on this over the last few days.

    On Saturday Farrar was calling for the government to act on its rhetoric and pull Air NZ into line, and his commenters agreed heartily.

    Now that a plan to protect wages and rein in corporate management has been presented the right are screaming.

    Be careful what you wish for guys, political opportunism can come back to bite you.

  5. Phil 5

    Yeah Tane, there’s absolutely no difference between
    A) the Govt using it’s shareholing ‘muscle’ against something it dissaproves of (Daves)
    and B) Nationalising the whole damn thing (Tanes)

  6. Tane 6

    Of course Phil you know that the existence of minority shareholders means the Companies Act severely restricts the Government’s ability to exercise any meaningful democratic control over Air New Zealand’s management.

  7. Tane 7

    We also wouldn’t be ‘nationalising the whole damn thing’ – we’d simply buy out the remaining 20% minority shareholding.

  8. Daveo 8

    Ouch. Mention nationalisation and the Tories get themselves into a right frenzy.

    You have to feel sorry for the wee beggars though – they want to play politics by calling on the government to protect the workers, it’s just they don’t like the left-wing consequences of what that would mean.

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  9. Matthew Pilott 9

    Just goes to show where some people’s values lie. 80% owned by the NZ taxpayer; people appear to be happy for it to be using unfair and discriminatory pay scales, and the company actively tring to disadvantage NZ workers in other areas – but who gives a toss if it’s making money, right?

    That’s all that counts right, commercial realities? I mean hell Santi, why would we care that our $350 designer jeans are made at 18c an hour in China? That’s a commercial reality too right?

  10. Benodic 10

    MP- what’s even more interesting is a lot of Air NZ’s commercial decisions have been poorly thought out.

    Take the aircraft engineering: they outsourced half of it to China (after trying to outsource the whole lot), then when business picked up they couldn’t get enough people to do the work because they’ve engineered a skills shortage.

    That’s because when they did the outsourcing a lot of the skilled aircraft engineers went overseas for work – my brother in law’s a good example – and because the pay rates in NZ have been slashed Air NZ can’t get them to come back. It’s an international labour market and they’ve truly shot themselves in the foot.

    The fact is a major strategic asset like Air NZ needs long-term thinking rather than short-term profiteering, but the current model of ownership only has a horizon of 3-5 years.

  11. Snelly Boy 11

    Tane, have to disagree with you on this one.

    All we’ve read in the papers so far is a story fed to the media by Delamere from a disgruntled ex-worker. I’d suggest no ‘facts’ have been presented publicly to date.

    However, everyone is jumping the gun making grandiose statements based simply on the Herald’s reporting.

    In particular, no one has bothered to explore Chinese labour laws under which these cabin crew are employed.

    There appears to be an assumption that Chinese workers can be run roughshod over. I can assure you from experience that labour laws there are very protective of the worker including the need for the employer to make compulsory payments to a medical, maternity, pension and even housing fund.

    It’s also very likely that Air NZ had no choice under Chinese law about employing via a contractor.

    One thing you can be assured of with the Chinese and that is overseas companies get away with nothing in regards to workers rights.

    Did the Herald do the obvious things such as establish exactly what these cabin crew earn, what the typical industry pay scales are for Chinese cabin crew and most obviously, are any other cabin crew dissatisfied other than this dismissed employee.

    It’s like Wishart’s secret ferrying story? There was no secret, only full prior disclosure by Air NZ to Govt officials. It was a beat up that evreyone then used for own political gains.

    Everyone should await the outcome of the workers legal dispute with Air NZ to establish fact rather than being used as PR puppets by Delamere to push his client’s case.

    This all has a funny side though and that is old Whaleoil asserting that the release of the Air NZ story was a govt smoke screen to deflect from the HBDHB report release. This 9th floor ‘scandal’ was a hot tip from a number of his reliable sources.

    Fact is, there were no such sources or they are as deluded with paranoia as the Whale is. I’d suggest the former.

    Can you imagine Delamere being the stool pigeon for a 9th floor political snow job?

  12. insider 12

    The NZ Govt employs hundreds of people overseas at its embassies and high commissions. Do you think they are paid the local rate or the NZ rate? Is that fair or unfair?

    Should Fonterra’s staff in their UK or Australia subsidiaries be paid the same as their NZ equivalents just to be ‘fair’? How many do you think they could attract?

  13. Snelly Boy, youve gone off topic, the issue is that the Chinese workers are being paid bugger all for doing exactly the same work as the New Zealand workers.

  14. big bruv 14

    Why on earth would we care what people are paid in China?, I could not give a toss.

    I detest Klark with a passion but on this I happen to agree with her, it is none of our business and if Air NZ happen to return a better profit to its shareholders by employing cheaper labour then good on them.

    The real issue for me is our 80% share holding, what on earth is our govt doing owning an Airline anyway.

  15. Steve Pierson 15

    insider. those comparisons don’t stand because you’re talking people on the same flight, doing exactly the same role

  16. Snelly Boy 16

    Steve P., do you know the split of kiwi/chinese on board a single flight?

    There seems to be a notion of a ‘mixed’ crew. My observation was that it was all Chinese with maybe a couple of kiwi supervisors only.

    I spend on average 4 to 6 weeks a year in London working. Whilst there do I expect my salary to be increased 2 to 3 times to match my colleagues there doing exactly the same tasks as me? Of course not.

    Plus I reiterate, people commenting here are doing so based on assumptions gleaned from a newspaper story. I thought the Stranded community would be far smarter than that.

  17. MikeE 17

    Lets nationalise teh Warehouse while we are at it eh.

    Tane, why the hell should someone on a low income, who can barely afford the rent, be subsidising mine and my companies airfares around the country and beyond?

  18. Matthew Pilott 18

    Why on earth would we care what people are paid in China?, I could not give a toss.

    There goes the neighbourhood.

    big bruv, for example, do you disagree with the law that you can be charged in New Zealand for using child prostitutes overseas? I mean who cares about thai children?

    Extreme example (and in no way meant to be directly compared to Air NZ) but I’m wondering how much exploitation is a good level for low-life scum such as big bruv?

    You got any kids?

  19. Matthew Pilott 19

    MikeE, a functioning airline is probably fairly important to the economic well-being of New Zealand. I’d go so far as to argue that it is important whether it is economic or not – this type of interconnection is pretty important these days, even with the prevalence of electronic communication.

    The Warehouse isn’t important in this respect, has never been publicly owned as far as I’m aware, and isn’t part of a modern country’s critical infrastructure.

    Someone on a low income, barely able to afford rent, might be putting half a cent into Air NZ – I don’t even know about that – isn’t it making a profit? Maybe it’s the other way around. Fact is, having a decent airline, like roads, telecommunications cables and rail are the basis and foundation for much employment in this country – might even be the reason your wee chap has that low-income job in the first place. That this needs explaining is a worry, to tell the truth.

  20. Tane 20

    Lets nationalise teh Warehouse while we are at it eh.

    While I don’t have an objection to that in principle it’s not a high priority of mine. There are a lot more pressing needs on public funds.

    Tane, why the hell should someone on a low income, who can barely afford the rent, be subsidising mine and my companies airfares around the country and beyond?

    You’re not subsidising airfares by requiring decent labour standards.

    Is the Government subsidising coal and the postage system by having Solid Energy and NZ Post under public ownership?

  21. Steve P., do you know the split of kiwi/chinese on board a single flight?

    There seems to be a notion of a ‘mixed’ crew. My observation was that it was all Chinese with maybe a couple of kiwi supervisors only.

    I spend on average 4 to 6 weeks a year in London working. Whilst there do I expect my salary to be increased 2 to 3 times to match my colleagues there doing exactly the same tasks as me? Of course not.

    But if you were moved there permently you might expect that.

  22. Policy Parrot 22

    Full nationalisation should be a last resort.

    What we should be asking is why are the management of AirNZ acting so unethically? Unlike the right, I don’t believe that private enterprise requires no moral barometer.

    If it is the case that such ethical leadership is non-existant in NZ’s private sector, then nationalisation may have be considered.

  23. Tane 23

    Full nationalisation should be a last resort.

    Why?

    What we should be asking is why are the management of AirNZ acting so unethically? Unlike the right, I don’t believe that private enterprise requires no moral barometer.

    Unfortunately the Companies Act disagrees. Companies are legally required to act in the interests of all their shareholders, and so long as there are minority shareholders with a stake in Air New Zealand the company is legally required to maximise profit in an amoral fashion.

  24. insider 24

    Steve

    Are you telling me that no NZ overseas post has a NZ employee and a foreign one working alongside each other at similar roles but with different T&Cs? Are you telling me Fonterra does not have the same? Or Air NZ in its overseas offices, or NZTE or F&P?

    What you probably don’t know is that AIr NZ does it domestically. Former Mt Cook employees are in a separate company and have different T&Cs from Air NZ staff. I wonder if it is the same for the former Freedom staff?

  25. big bruv 25

    Matthew

    I am surprised that you would ever have a harsh word to say about the socialist mecca that is China.
    Need I remind you that these CONTRACTORS are NOT kiwi’s, they are not our problem.

    The Thai children you use as an example says more about you than I think you intended, in true socialist scum fashion you are prepared to use anybody or anything to achieve your goals.

    The difference between you and I is that I would gladly shoot those who use child prostitutes, you however would rather council the pedophile and let him out again in a few years (as long as he voted Labour) to inflict his “will” on more innocent children.

  26. Matthew Pilott 26

    insider, employees of Mt Cook Airlines and Air Nelson (Which is actually the largest separate company integarted in Air NZ’s service umbrella) are covered under NZ employment law and subject to NZ market conditions. Unless you wish to claim they’re being paid 1/4 of that of Air NZ employees I don’t see the relevance.

    As for Fonterra – what stakeholder percentage does the government own?

  27. Tane 27

    MP – the relevance I would see is Air NZ’s continued practise of contracting out to undermine its workers’ pay and conditions.

  28. big bruv 28

    Tane

    Is this the same Air NZ that is 80% owned by the people of NZ?

    Perhaps you should have a world with dear corrupt leader.

  29. Matthew Pilott 29

    big bruv – so you care about some people overseas, but only in some circumstances. Would you like to explain where you draw the line? You see, in both cases, the practice wouldn’t be legal in New Zealand (depending on the actual working conditions of the Air NZ staff. If they are paid 1/4 of those in NZ, NZ flight attendatts would have to be paid about $44 an hour for their chinese counterparts to be paid at a rate that is legal in New Zealand). Therefore many would call this exploitation.

    What level of exploitation do you find satisfactory, big bruv?

    I’ll ignore your bigoted and vacuous last statement, you’re clearly unable to conduct sustained rational discourse (although you did well at the start, even if you missed my point and went with the childish temptation to make baseless generalisations instead of trying to discuss the point at hand) which is a shame.

    Tane – fair call, though in this case I’d be more concerned with an income variance of 400% (if overseas employees are being paid 1/4 the rate of those here), than a smaller domestic variance, as the Mt Cook Air and Air Nelson employees are covered under NZ Employment Law.

  30. Tane 30

    Is this the same Air NZ that is 80% owned by the people of NZ?

    Perhaps you should have a world with dear corrupt leader.

    Bruv, I’d rather not have to call you stupid, but, well, you’re stupid.
    What do you think the point of this post was?

  31. insider 31

    Matthew

    Re Mt Cook/Air Nelson, when absorbed by AirNZ their T&Cs were kept separate in the same way as the Chinese Air NZ staff, yet do the same jobs, and I’m talking about ground crew not air crew. You used the phrase “unfair and discriminatory pay scales” and I gave an example. Is it only relevant if there is a 4 times gap? WHere is the principle in that?

    If government ownership is the benchmark for concern about such discrimination, what about MFAT posts abroad?

  32. Daveo 32

    Insider- if you’re trying to defend Air NZ’s treatment of its workers then bringing Mt Cook and Air Nelson into it isn’t a good start.

  33. Snelly Boy 33

    Tane, my understanding of Chinese law is that you have no choice but to engage staff through a third party contractor. That’s the Chinese way. Air NZ would not have had an option.

    “But if you were moved there permanently you might expect that.”

    Kiinginthenameof, not only would I expect pay parity, I would demand it and get it. That’s exactly my point.

    These are Chinese nationals living in and working from China.

    Accordingly, they are not and can’t be subject to NZ employment law or market conditions but the laws and market of China.

    For example, a Chinese cabin crew injured whilst working can sue Air NZ for negligence under Chinese law. A kiwi crew member hurt in the same incident can’t due to NZ law (ACC).

  34. Matthew Pilott 34

    I’m not sure what your angle is Insider. Do you think it is ok or not ok for those other two airline’s employees to be paid less, if that is in fact the case? If it is ok, then do you think it is ok for employees under a different contract to be paid outside the levels set in NZ employment law? I don’t. If it’s not ok,, then fine, we’re agreeing – it’s not ok. Good.

    As said, I’d be more concerned by the situation with Chinese employees. This is because if I had to set a benchmark at which I would call for government intervention into the company’s (and a call for Nationalisation if it would solve the problem), I would set it at the levels that are defined by New Zealand employment law. Does that benchmark make sense to you? I accept your comment about principles – but i wouldn’t call for Nationalisation of a private company if it mistreated a worker, as there may be better mechanisms to deal with the situation. Bit of perspective helps.

    The other AirNZ/Mt Cook Air matters can be dealt with internally – there are Unions ann employment law to deal with these issues. If that is not working, then perhaps those laws need to be assessed, but it is a different issue, assuming their contracts are legal under NZ employment law…

  35. K Douglas 35

    I was interested to see comments in the MSM about the relative pay differences between Chinese and NZ workers. I have a friend who works for ZEAL 320 Ltd as a Flight Attendant, a fully owned subsidiary of Air NZ (these are the former Freedom Flight Attendants). These guys and girls wear the same uniform, fly the same size aircraft and serve Air NZ passengers. However they are paid substantially less, sometimes ten’s of thousands less. Why such a big difference? We are talking about the same job, same country.

    Captcha= ceramic rival

  36. insider 36

    Matthew

    The point was that some here seem to have an issue with people getting paid differently for ostensibly the same work with the same company. I was saying it already happened in NZ without any real concern – probably not to the same scale I expect – and Air NZ UK employees likely get more than NZ staff, so what is the real issue here?

    It might be interesting to know what a China Airways crew member gets to compare, but I don;t think anyone is suggesting AirNZ are uncompetitive in the Chinese market.

    I have no problem with AirNZ paying staff differently. As a multinational employee I was always resentful that my overseas staff got paid more than me, who they reported to. But that was just envy. I was doing very well compared to my NZ peers.

  37. Of course Air NZ cabin crew based in London get paid reasonably more than their NZ equivalents who take over the same flights through to Auckland from LA and HK. The flights to and from Shanghai would not be economic if Air NZ had to pay the same wages as NZ crew as the flights are full of low yield Chinese tourists. So the route wouldn’t be Air NZs. A Chinese airline would take over, and it would pay Shanghai based workers less.

    but then those who think nationalisation is a winner (hey the booming economies of East Germany and North Korea show how clever that is) are beyond reason and basic economics.

    Presumably the Shanghai based crew chose the job voluntarily and in China’s booming economy could have gone elsewhere. I’m sure that’s “not the point”, yet in fact it is. These jobs are at the wages that have been agreed or these jobs are not Air NZ’s.

  38. Tane 38

    That’s the problem with libertarians, they equate any form of public ownership as akin to the worst excesses of Stalinism. Kind of makes debate futile.

    Their insistence that jobs ‘belong’ to companies and entail no wider social responsiblity is also bordering on the psychopathic.

  39. Matthew Pilott 39

    insider – I read a comment that Air NZ doesn’t pay all that well even W.R.T the Chinese domestic market, maybe being paid 1/3 of our rate is the norm over there. But to sum up my position – I think action by the government is necessary because their pay rates would be illegal in NZ.

    libertyscott, you’re clearly beyond reason and basic economics if you equate Nationalisation of an airline already 80% owned by the Public with the despotism of sanctioned and embargoed North Korea or the tryanny of the former GDR.

  40. Billy 40

    Tane said: Funny how the right’s tone has changed on this over the last few days.

    I obviously didn’t get the memo from the VRC. Unless of course we on the right are allowed to “come from a variety of backgrounds and our political views don’t always match up”.

  41. Tane 41

    Billy, clearly I was generalising. Apologies if you took offence, I’ll try to be more sensitive in future.

  42. Billy – I think you mean “VRWC”. Getting stuff like that wrong really takes the zing outta your zingers…

  43. Tane, you have supported nationalising any firm people have punted up on this thread (the Warehouse?) – this has been a failure wherever it has been carried out writ large, that was my point. In fact state owned Air NZ was a financial disaster in the late 70s, early 80s until government stopped interfering with it – and even then it was capital starved, but hey maybe you like a little airline.

    Nice to see you and Matthew conveniently ignored the facts of the situation. Either the route is operated by Chinese crew hired by Air NZ or it is flown by a Chinese airline.

    You also evade the fact that the Chinese cabin crew chose to work for Air NZ, or are you implying they were coerced or are they too stupid to take a job that they will prefer over the many others available in the booming Chinese economy?

    Public ownership is a farce because as a member of the public you have no control over the accountability of the assets you allegedly “own”. You pay more taxes to bail it out when it stuffs up, and you always get a poorer rate of return than you would if you invested your own money elsewhere. You have politicians claiming it is strategic, while readily writing out cheques to prop it up.

  44. Steve Pierson 44

    libertyscott. East Germany hasn’t existed for nearly 18 years – so talking about it having an economy, booming or otherwise is dumb.

  45. Steve, it was the past tense. The eastern part of Germany still exists and remains behind that of the west in per capita GDP.

  46. Tane 46

    LS – regardless of who owns Air NZ we will always bail it out. As a strategic asset that’s just a fact of life. There is no evidence that SOEs perform any differently over the long term than privately owned companies.

    You’re on very shaky ground when you claim public ownership of companies “has been a failure wherever it has been carried out writ large”. Tell me, is NZ Post a failure? What about Solid Energy? Meridian? Landcorp? Learning Media? All were doing pretty well last time I checked.

    Your problem is that your politics are constrained by Randian mythology. I suggest that in future you try forming your opinions based on facts rather than fantasy novels.

  47. Steve Pierson 47

    it wasn’t the past tense though. And, yes, eastern Germany is still poorer than the west but how does that relate to whether or not nationalising Air NZ is a good thing?

  48. Billy 48

    Tane, no need to be sensitive on my account.

    Still ignoring you, ‘sod.

  49. MikeE 49

    “Steve Pierson
    Mar 18th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    libertyscott. East Germany hasn’t existed for nearly 18 years – so talking about it having an economy, booming or otherwise is dumb.

    Kind of proves liberty scotts point now doesn’t it.

    I look forward to Labour Releasing its “Lets nationalise the warehouse” policy.

  50. Tane 50

    I don’t think they’ll be releasing that MikeE. They don’t even seem to want to nationalise Air New Zealand.

  51. Matthew Pilott 51

    LibertyScott – you’re also on shaky ground when you claim that these workers are free to work elsewhere. How many desperate peasants are there in China? Why do libertarians so desperately believe in the myth of freedom of movement? I guess because this flawed construct is central to the whole libertarian ideal – that people can simply up & leave a job if it’s not perfect, and that they should happily suffer with inferior employment because they ‘chose’ to work there.

    I’ve always wondered how people with these beliefs manage to entirely discount the human incentive to improve their condition – maybe your shitty job is just that but why not aim to improve it? You might leave some day – wouldn’t it be good if it was better for your replacement? And you get to have a better time while you’re there. This is of course anathema to libertarians, but i’d like to think it’s part of human nature.

    Nice to see you and Matthew conveniently ignored the facts of the situation. Either the route is operated by Chinese crew hired by Air NZ or it is flown by a Chinese airline.

    No ignoring facts there – I haven’t said that the crew isn’t Chinese anywhere. In fact, on numerous occastions, I made mention of Chinese employees and so on. Perhaps you need to re-state that point…

  52. Matthew Pilott 52

    And MikeE continues with the ‘any form of nationalisation is equal to tyrannic Stalinism’ line. Good on ya son, stick to your guns!

    I guess you could look forward to the Super Great leap Forward and Smashing A Few More Olds policies, they’re equally likely.

  53. MikeE 53

    Thats because any form of Natioanlisation is equal to socialism.

    Not neccesarily Stalinism, but definately socialism by any definition.

    I’m very interested as to the reasons why Tane would want to nationalise teh warehouse however.

    Tane, would you care to explain.

    As a side note, my captcha phrase is: “$100,000 snipers”

  54. Matthew Pilott 54

    I’m interested to hear how you equate socialism with the totalitarian puppet-state in East Germany.

    If this is the case, anyway, I assume that you advocate full devolution of the public sector into private entities as soon as possible; if any form of nationalisation is socialism, surely any public entity is representative of this monster, and is likely to turn us into East Germany? Roads, hospitals, schools, power infrastructure and generation – lose them all, before those NewCops become the StasiCops…

  55. Tane 55

    MikeE, I don’t want to nationalise The Warehouse, I just don’t have a kneejerk objection to the idea in principle like you do.

    Matt, yes, as a libertarian (I assume you’re consistent Mike) he believes everything but police and the military (the means by which property owners shield their wealth from the masses) should be privatised. And tax should be zero because anything else is theft.

    Honestly, this shit makes no sense whatsoever until you read Ayn Rand’s fantasy novels and discover that socialism is about hatred of the good and dragging the ubermenschen down to everyone else’s level. Apparently it’s great stuff if you’re into that kind of thing.

  56. MikeE 56

    “MikeE, I don’t want to nationalise The Warehouse, I just don’t have a kneejerk objection to the idea in principle like you do.”

    Weasel Words.

  57. Tane 57

    No, just a level of complexity unintelligible to libertarians and their black and white view of the world.

  58. Tane “regardless of who owns Air NZ we will always bail it out. As a strategic asset that’s just a fact of life” Um no, YOUR government could have let Singapore Airlines save it, but you don’t need to bail it out. Alitalia is being bailed out by Air France/KLM, Switzerland and Belgium both lost national airlines a few years ago, and both have new ones. It isn’t inevitable.

    Matthew – so people in Shanghai are desperate peasants? Ever been there, or have you some rather patronising attitude about China that says Chinese people are mostly peasants? Funnily enough I DO believe people can improve themselves and seek it, and leaving your job is one way to do it.

    I don’t disagree with “I’ve always wondered how people with these beliefs manage to entirely discount the human incentive to improve their condition – maybe your shitty job is just that but why not aim to improve it? You might leave some day – wouldn’t it be good if it was better for your replacement? And you get to have a better time while you’re there. This is of course anathema to libertarians, but i’d like to think it’s part of human nature.” except it is hardly an anathema. My main point is people have to make choices either to stay, leave or renegotiate their pay and conditions. In this respect I don’t disagree.

    I have a kneejerk opposition to nationalisation on one simple basis – it is theft. Privatisation of existing state owned enterprises can be done more delicately, and is about trading off price, ownership structures and how it is done. Giving shares to the public would be to me, a particularly good way of creating genuine public ownership.

    Then people can choose whether they want public ownership or not, would’t that be interesting? Does everyone want to own shares in a coal mining company? I suspect plenty of environmentalists would rather not, unless they saw value in buying up shares and shutting it down perhaps. Imagine – people using their own choices rather than the state to change things!

    My previous point was this:
    - The Air NZ routes from Auckland to Shanghai and Beijing are low yield routes that would not be profitable if all crew operating them were on NZ salaries. Therefore without Chinese crew at good Chinese wages, the routes would not exist given fares that Chinese tourists (who form 90% of the passengers) pay (Air NZ pulled out of South Korea because it couldn’t compete with Korean Air on fares).
    - If Air NZ pulls out, a Chinese airline is likely to fill the gap since they pay less than Air NZ, so Air NZ loses.

    In other words if you want Air NZ to operate the routes to China then this is what must happen, otherwise it becomes a Chinese airline route.

  59. Falafulu Fisi 59

    Tane, do you employ people? If you do, then I am certainly like to see how much you pay them. C’mon, you’re not gonna default standard argument as the market rate? Sure, if you employ people, I don’t expect you to be paying your laborers/office workers a rate of $200/hour. If you pay them around the market rates, then that’s exactly what Air NZ is doing? Unless you want Air NZ to become a Santa Claus, exactly the same thing if it is your private business. Would you like to employ a laborer and pay him/her $200/hr simply because you don’t care about market rates, but because you want to be Santa Claus?

  60. Phil 60

    “Honestly, this shit makes no sense whatsoever until you read Ayn Rand’s fantasy novels ”

    Interestingly enough, the shelf behind my desk right now includes a copy of ‘Atlas Shrugged’ which was left behind by a colleague in the last office-reshuffle… with a glowing endorsement like that from Tane, I might just have to hunker down with a coffee and see what all the fuss is about.

  61. left behind by a colleague in the last office-reshuffle

    One can only hope they took their “reshuffling” well – it being a natural outcome of the market and all…

  62. Jameson 62

    We’ll establish whether you’re a Stalinist, Tane, with answers to these questions:

    1) Who should own the invention: the inventor who toiled to make the discovery or the public who did nothing?

    2) Who should own the production of the invention: the investor who risks his money or the public who risks nothing?

  63. Matthew Pilott 63

    LibertyScott – China’s breakneck growth has been, by and large, due to a relatively low starting point – and their rural poor (I’m using their terms, not ours, for you to call it patronising displays quite an ignorance) are very prolific. Many make it to the cities, study, get jobs. This has been replicated throughout the last three centuries as a rural-urban drift follows an increasing disparity of wealth in urban areas.

    I haven’t been to Shanghai. Have you been on every single flight between Shanghai and Auckland or are you making assumptions about the people who travel on these flights? might I mention that you’re implying their flights need to be subsidised by low-wage labour due to the relative lack of income of the inhabitants of Shanghai, not I… Bit patronising there, chief…

    I’m not sure how you’ll qualify Nationalisation as theft – if the Government purchases, at a market rate, the remaining stake of Air New Zealand, they will have achieved this. It’s no different to a corporate takeover, but the buyer is different. So you’re pretty much saying the free market and capitalism is also theft. Hey – we almost agree!

    except it is hardly an anathema. My main point is people have to make choices either to stay, leave or renegotiate their pay and conditions. In this respect I don’t disagree.

    Except it is, libertyscott – the libertarian response to someone in poor working conditions is “they chose to work there. It’s their problem”. That’s what you said yourself. This ignores reality, paints a black-and-white picture, while pretending to dress up as an ethos of ‘personal choice’. Abhorrent.

    You seem to discount the possility of improving working conditions. Unless there are favourable conditions, such as very low unemployment, the workers are at an inherent disadvantage given the problems of leaving work. This is wheremany on the left see that a government or state should step in – gently, with subtle employment law, or forcefully if the situation demands it. If the worker is not at any disadvantage, you don’t hear calls for intervention.

    Your idea of public sale might sound nice and warm in theory, but it demands perfect information for every consumer, and an ability to predict what every other actor will do. If it is in NZ’s best interests to publicly own a resource, for this to happen every New Zealander would need to buy an equal stake and be confident that every other New Zealander would do the same. No practical relevance whatsoever.

    Giving the shares to the public is equally useless – without everyone having perfect information it can’t work. You may think it sounds elegant, but reality dictates otherwise.

  64. Jameson 64

    Afraid to lift your skirt and answer the question, Tane, lest you expose your Marxist socks?

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    MANA will be launching its Reo Māori policy at 10am Thursday 24 July, at Matangireia (the old Māori Affairs Select Committee room at Parliament). We will also be addressing our concerns regarding the Minister of Māori Affairs Māori Language Strategy...
    Mana | 22-07
  • Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense
    The Green Party welcomed the Environmental Protection Authority's draft decision announced today not to allow the $90 million Basin Reserve flyover in Wellington to proceed."Both popular and expert opinion opposed the flyover. The proposal was expensive, unnecessary and would have...
    Greens | 22-07
  • Laila Harre to run against Key in Helensville
    Another full house in Rotorua as part of Internet MANAs road trip Another day, another full house for the Internet MANA road trip. John Armstrong understands the energy now swirling around Internet MANA, and the latest announcements of Georgina Beyer...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Waiting for Gower’s Twittering of indignation…
    .   . Key has made his call; deals with ACT and Peter Dunne are in – a deal with the CCCP (Colin Craig’s Conservative Party), is out; . . Now we can look forward to TV3′s political commentator, Patrick...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • National’s desperate oil drilling agenda exposed
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: National’s desperate oil drilling agenda exposed Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 | Press Release A Wall Street Journal article exposing the Government’s attempts to lure deep sea oil drillers to New Zealand shows...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Owner of Kiwis’ favourite tacos takes bold stand for climate action
    MIL OSI – Source: Oxfam NZ – Headline: Owner of Kiwis' favourite tacos takes bold stand for climate action The maker of Old El Paso tacos, Betty Crocker cake mixes and Haagan Daz ice-cream has today committed to industry-leading measures...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Out of touch Brownlee gets numbers wrong
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Out of touch Brownlee gets numbers wrong Gerry Brownlee has shown how badly he is managing the rebuild by getting his figures wrong on how many houses are needed in Christchurch, Labour’s...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood: Weekend at Bernie’s lll – ACT in Epsom
    While no one will be surprised by yesterday’s deal to prop up ACT in Epsom, the audacity of it is still astounding. ACT is a political corpse. Their sole MP has been found guilty of electoral fraud and bides his...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • So how’s all the ‘ Labour Party man ban’ hysteria working out for you...
    Remember all the screams from the media at the so called ‘man ban’ of the Labour Party? Labour’s attempt at gender equality was really just more evidence of Labour’s man hate,  feminists were taking over, heterosexual red blooded men burnt at the stake....
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Paul Henry; the issue is you, not flag-burning
    There will always be reductive, dangerous and reactionary responses to different forms of oppressive violence by our western, often biased, mainstream media. These reactionary responses purposefully distract from the real issues and those who are at the root and the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Oh now John Armstrong and Vernon Small want to talk about policy?
    The audacity of the mainstream media seems to know no end. This week both John Armstrong and Vernon Small had the hilarity to demand a focus on policy and not ‘gotcha’ politics… John Armstrong: The ‘gotcha politics’ disease is afflicting...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira  Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press Releases“I’m sorry I can’t be at parliament for the valedictory speeches of Tariana Turia...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Burning the flag or accepting the evil
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Burning the flag or accepting the evil Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press ReleasesBurning the Israeli flag in Auckland in protest over the murder of innocent civilians...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid”
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid” Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press ReleasesJordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says a MANA billboard “appears to have been funded by taxpayers”,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Tōku reo, tōku oho oho, tōku reo, tōku mapihi maurea – MANA launches ...
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Tōku reo, tōku oho oho, tōku reo, tōku mapihi maurea – MANA launches te reo Māori policy  Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Annette Sykes, Press Releases, Te Hamua Nikora“MANA...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Green Party launches Solar in Schools policy
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Green Party launches Solar in Schools policy Thursday, 24 Jul 2014 | Press Release Our Solar in Schools policy will allow them to save money on electricity – money which can be...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Media Release: New report on GP costs for 6-17 year olds
    MIL OSI – Source: Child Poverty Action Group – Headline: Media Release: New report on GP costs for 6-17 year olds 24 July 2014 Free doctor’s visits should be extended to all children under 18 as GP charges are a...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • 3 reasons why I can’t care about Gerry Brownlee’s airport security fias...
    I find it very difficult to get upset about Gerry Brownlee barging through airport security for 3 simple reasons. Firstly I think airport security in this country is a total farce. Why we need to be conditioned to security searches...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • How the Opposition win Epsom now Key has cemented Goldsmith into place
    One fear I had this election would be that National listened to Matthew Hooton and removed Goldsmith from the ballot box to leave the race open enough for David Seymour to ensure an ACT Party victory. Thankfully National Party hubris...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Now Conservative Party has been killed off, is a vote for NZ First a vote f...
    Are Winston and John Key new Best Friends Forever?   Colin Craig and his Conservative Party have been cleverly played and tricked and trapped by National. Whatever promises and flirtations Key made with Craig last year have eventuated into nothing....
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away ...
    The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away with it...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Best National Party Billboard
    Best National Party Billboard...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Annette Sykes to launch campaign for Waiariki Annette Sykes, MANA candidate...
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Annette Sykes to launch campaign for Waiariki Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Posted on July 28, 2014 by admin in Annette Sykes, Press ReleasesAt midday tomorrow, Annette Sykes will officially launch...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Something Fishy About Nick Smith’s Game.
    NICK SMITH’S crude intimidation of the Fish and Game Council points to the bleakest of environmental futures should National be re-elected on 20 September. It is now considerably clearer than 60 percent of New Zealand’s lakes, rivers and streams that...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Minister shouldn’t stop Fish and Game doing its job
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Minister shouldn’t stop Fish and Game doing its job Monday, 28 Jul 2014 | Press Release Fish and Game is supposed to advocate for clean and healthy rivers, it’s the law. It...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Key’s odd personal hypocrisy in Epsom, his kiss of death to the Maori Par...
    Aside from tricking Colin Craig into running in an electorate National can crush him in, John Key has announced three things in his election deals that are ill thought out. The first is his deal with the Maori Party. At a time...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Public deserves electoral integrity
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Public deserves electoral integrity National’s deals with spent political forces ACT and United Future will be met with a deepening sense of unease over the manipulation of MMP, Labour Leader David Cunliffe...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Out of control costs raise questions about National Science Challenges
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Out of control costs raise questions about National Science Challenges Amid strong criticism of the value of the National Science Challenges from some of the country’s senior scientists, new figures show administrative...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Low build numbers and faulty repairs: what has Brownlee been doing?
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Low build numbers and faulty repairs: what has Brownlee been doing? Despite being a man in a hurry new figures show just 2160 new homes, thousands fewer than needed, have been built...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • UNEMIG: Disgraced hotel operator still hasn’t learned
    MIL OSI – Source: First Union – Headline: UNEMIG: Disgraced hotel operator still hasn’t learned A publicly disgraced Auckland hotel is still not paying their workers the minimum wage, according to the Union Network of Migrants (UNEMIG). Last week the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Christchurch CHEP workers walk off the job again
    MIL OSI – Source: First Union – Headline: Christchurch CHEP workers walk off the job again Workers at Brambles-owned CHEP Christchurch have walked off the job again today to protest the employer’s refusal to negotiate an improved pay offer, according...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Why it’s all over for the Conservative Party
    Whatever flirtations were made months ago to Colin Craig by National strategists, the polling must have come back showing them too much of their soft urban vote would walk if Key was in Government with Colin Craig.  The necessary inside muscle to...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Balance in the NZ Herald and has something gone terribly wrong at the Heral...
    So the ‘balance’ in the NZ Herald this year for the election will be… Guest columnists will include the acerbic Cactus Kate from the radical right, former Labour candidate Josie Pagani and broadcaster Mark Sainsbury. Right, so that would be...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Joyce’s heavy hand stifling innovation
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Joyce’s heavy hand stifling innovation Monday, 28 Jul 2014 | Press Release “The heavy hand of Steven Joyce is destroying New Zealand’s innovation economy.” The National Government should allow scientists and businesses...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • CERA spends almost $2m on 7000 flights
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: CERA spends almost $2m on 7000 flights CERA has spent $1.8 million on 7286 flights from Christchurch to Wellington in three years – a huge waste of money as Cantabrians still wait...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Nick Smith oversteps the mark yet again
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Nick Smith oversteps the mark yet again Nick Smith has yet again completely overstepped the mark as a minister – this time with a threat to muzzle Fish and Game if they...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Phew – National Party hubris seals strategy
    The National Party are bot listening to Matthew Hooton. Phew. Hooton has crunched the numbers and based on past polling National always drops 6 points come election day. National aren’t listening. Barging through the need to cut deals with all...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Noam Chomsky on the TPPA
    Noam Chomsky on the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Unacceptable secrecy around labelling people terrorists
    It’s good to see the Sunday Star-Times attempting to get more information from government agencies about Daryl Jones, the Kiwi killed in a US drone strike in Yemen.  The paper is right to complain about the government’s refusal to provide...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • A critical deconstruction of John Key – what’s behind the facade?
    Aspiring national leaders need a popular narrative of their rise to power.  Once in office, the narrative can be refined to fit the requirements of leadership and re-election.  Such is the purpose of John Roughan’s John Key: Portrait of  a...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Radio Live – off Mark
    The Top Marks lasted five weeks on Mediaworks radio station The Sound. This may have something to do with last being relevant in the mid-1980s when there were only two commercial FM licences in Auckland and they were on one...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Wellingtonians say ‘No!’ to Israeli aggression
    .   . Wellington, NZ, 26 July – About 600 Wellingtonians, and from further afield, met at the Cuba Mall Bucket fountain under a wintery sunny sky, to protest Israel’s continuing aggression in the Gaza strip, which – at the...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Greens call for shipping lanes backed by Maritime Union
    MIL OSI – Source: Maritime Union of New Zealand – Headline: Greens call for shipping lanes backed by Maritime Union The Maritime Union is backing the Green Party’s policy to implement compulsory shipping lanes for coastal shipping, announced 27 July...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Government needs to get Fishing reform bill passed now
    MIL OSI – Source: Maritime Union of New Zealand – Headline: Government needs to get Fishing reform bill passed now The Maritime Union is urging the Government to push through a Bill reforming the fishing industry. Maritime Union of New...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga  Posted on July 27, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press Releases“It’s great to have Georgie on board” said Hone Harawira, MANA...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Israel/Gaza conflict: Questions and Answers
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Israel/Gaza conflict: Questions and Answers What does Amnesty International think of the resolution passed by the UN Human Rights Council on 23 July? What should happen next?Amnesty International welcomes resolution S-21/1...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Green Party launches plan to protect our beaches from oil spills
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Green Party launches plan to protect our beaches from oil spills Sunday, 27 Jul 2014 | Press Release Like New Zealand chose to go nuclear free, we can add to our national...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Shasha Ali – I am an indigenous person but I will never call ...
    Yesterday was indeed a politically hectic day in Aoteaora New Zealand, especially if you are an activist that cares about both human and non-human animal rights. Protest actions were organised to demand an end to factory farming from about noon, and...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Pro-Israel, Pro-Palestine or ‘Pro-Peace’?
    Latest protest for people of Gaza in Auckland In the past couple of weeks I have heard a lot of people say that they are neither Pro-Israel nor Pro-Palestine; they are pro-peace. This is a stand that I respect. Everyone...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • So we can’t feed the kids, the poor OR the sick now?
    Let me get this straight. We can borrow $10 billion in tax cuts over the last 6 years for the richest NZers, but we can not feed the kids, the poor or even the sick now? Revealed: Warning over hospital food...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Kim Dotcom has said it, Laila Harre has said it and now David fisher says i...
    Fascinating piece by David Fisher in the NZ Herald breaking down how many opportunities the Government had to listen to officials and stop KDC entering the country and concludes KDC should never have been allowed in… It prepared papers for the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • You, Me and the GCSB Public Meetings
      The GCSB and TICS legislation rushed through Parliament by John Key represent the largest erosion of civil liberties this country has seen since the 1951 Waterfront Lockout. In the post Snowden world we now know a mass surveillance state operating...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • Harré: It’s Game on in Helensville
    Harré: It’s Game on in Helensville Internet Party Leader Laila Harré will stand in John Key’s Helensville electorate because “the Prime Minister has some explaining to do”. Ms Harré wants to debate Mr Key at candidate meetings in his own...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Ministers condemned for failing to meet Papuan journalist
    West Papua Action Auckland is shocked that that Ministers Coleman and Tolley have decided against giving even a brief time to meet with visiting Papuan journalist Victor Mambor (Chair of the Papua Chapter of the Association of Independent Journalists...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Cliff Curtis Apolitical
    While I respect my cousin Annette Sykes commitment in engaging in the political process, I do not endorse or support any political party. I respect all candidates who make the commitment to stand for political office. It requires and takes...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • National getting students into science
    National Party Hutt South candidate Chris Bishop today supported the government’s launch of A Nation of Curious Minds: He Whenua Hirihi I te Mahara, a programme to boost community involvement in the science sector....
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • NZ NGOs respond to the worsening humanitarian crisis in Gaza
    NZ NGOs are responding to the worsening humanitarian crisis in the Gaza strip with news today of an upsurge in violence and an increasing number of civilian casualties....
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • ACT Candidate for Epsom delighted by second endorsement
    ACT Candidate for Epsom delighted by second endorsement David Seymour, ACT Candidate for Epsom 29/07/2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Colin Craig (sic) Launches New Website
    Colin Craig today advised that his web presence was not large enough, especially when compared to similarly polling parties such as the Internet/Mana Party. “After extensive discussion and advice from my full time legal team, and my IT part timer...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Spat between Minister Smith and Fish and Game overdue – ACT
    With the latest spat between Minister Nick Smith and Fish and Games Bryce Johnston hitting fever pitch, ACT Primary Industry Spokesman Don Nicolson says a review of the Fish and Game legislation will be an ACT ambition in the next...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Maori King challenges Ngapuhi leader to front up
    Following his strong condemnation of the Maori King, Tuheitia yesterday, Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has received a challenge this afternoon from prominent Kingitanga [King Movement] supporter Mamae Takerei....
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • ACT Speech to Waikato Conference: Race has no place in law
    David Cunliffe recently apologised to a Women’s Refuge symposium: “I don't often say it – I'm sorry for being a man … because family and sexual violence is overwhelmingly perpetrated by men.” The Prime Minister accused Cunliffe of being insincere....
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Greg Campbell Chief Executive of Wellington Regional Council
    Chair of Wellington Regional Council, Fran Wilde today announced the appointment of Greg Campbell as Chief Executive of the Council. Greg Campbell will take up the role in September following the departure of outgoing Chief Executive David Benham...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • We are going to campaign harder
    “It was great news to learn that John Key says I am his recommendation for Epsom. While the Prime Minister is an important person and he is my pick to remain Prime Minister, John Key is just one voter. I...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Why Green isn’t the best colour for water
    Why Green isn’t the best colour for water Ian Mackenzie is Federated Farmers Environment spokesperson and was on the reference group for the National Objectives Framework. An opinion is also running in the New Zealand Herald. The Green Party recently...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Rainbow Wellington General Election Candidates Forum
    In many ways the transgender community is in a similar position now to that faced by lesbians and gay men a generation ago. It is having to face many of the same difficulties, often based on the same ignorance and...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Defence Lawyer Disgust!!!
    “ The Sensible Sentencing Trust is horrified by Defence Lawyer Steven Zindel's comments at the Sentencing of a Man Jailed for the Rape of his 4 year old daughter .”...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Ōhāriu deserves better than a rort
    The National Party's deal with Peter Dunne is a rort and shows the people of Ōhāriu are being taken for granted, Labour candidate Virginia Andersen says. "Peter Dunne has been placed on political life support by the National Party. His...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • FMC Backs Fish and Game’s Role on Freshwater
    Federated Mountain Clubs today reinforced its strong support for the New Zealand Fish and Game Council's statutory role in advocating for anglers and hunters interests in freshwater. FMC President Robin McNeill stated that the Federation's 17,000 members...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • The Letter: Key Gives Nod for Seymour in Epsom
    This afternoon the PM acknowledged the importance of Epsom to National’s re-election prospects when said he wanted National’s supporters in Epsom to vote for ACT’S David Seymour. We always thought David could win Epsom, for which he has been campaigning...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Forest & Bird supports Fish and Game’s freshwater advocacy
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird is concerned over allegations the Fish & Game Council has been threatened over its advocacy for freshwater quality....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Time for Epsom to say “no deal”
    “Epsom voters will be disgusted by the deal announced today to try and once again gift their electorate to the ACT Party”, says Labour candidate for Epsom Michael Wood....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Petition for release the of seven Bah
    At the invitation of the Honourable Annette King the New Zealand Bahá'í community is presenting a petition to the House of Representatives asking the NZ government to demand the release of the seven former leaders of the Baha’i community in...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Capital gains in the capital city
    Victoria University will today be hosting a public debate on the merits of more comprehensive capital gains tax—a step which taxation expert Associate Professor Dr David White considers would be beneficial for New Zealand. Organised by student group Beta Alpha...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Te Kupenga supports efforts of anti-violence campaigner
    Te Kupenga Whakaoti Mahi Patunga – National Network of Stopping Violence Services (Te Kupenga) wholeheartedly endorses statements made by DJ, Kickboxer and Anti-Violence Campaigner Richie Hardcore this morning on TV3’s Firstline about the role of men...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • iPredict Ltd2014 Election Update #28
    The chances of a fiscal surplus in 2014/15 continue to plunge and are down to 50%, according to the combined wisdom of the 7000 registered traders on New Zealand’s online predictions market, iPredict. The forecast surplus is now just 0.22%...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • TPPA is a bad idea
    “Currently New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Brunei, Vietnam, the USA, Japan, Malaysia, Canada, and Mexico are still negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement. Officially talks finished last August, but the reality is that they keep...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Getting privacy right in our data future
    Privacy Commissioner John Edwards welcomes the release of the New Zealand Data Futures Forum’s report....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Conference on Democracy, Ethics and the Public Good
    Conference on Democracy, Ethics and the Public Good A conference is to be held in Wellington on 1 and 2 August with the aim of starting a NZ-wide discussion about the quality of our democracy. The conference is hosted jointly...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Paddock to plate, and smart roads possible
    New Zealand’s international brand and exports could grow significantly with the creation of a data sharing ‘eco-system’ according to a paper released by the NZ Data Futures Forum today....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Ngapuhi wants to overthrow Maori King
    Ngapuhi is planning a hui for the end of the year – organised by iwi leader David Rankin – in which the future of the King Movement will be discussed....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Housing warrant of fitness little help for sick children
    A housing warrant of fitness has been promoted as a way of preventing sickness among children in poverty. The attached report shows that such a regime would have little impact on health outcomes but would come at a considerable cost,...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Upcoming Fabian Events in Auckland
    Sue Bradford ’s PhD thesis, 'A major left wing think tank in Aotearoa—an impossible dream or a call to action?' looked at why no major left wing think tank has developed in Aotearoa and whether the left in 2010-2013 was...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Senior Citizens, Not Senile Citizens
    The Taxpayers’ Union is questioning the merits and costs of the “ No car? No problem! Getting around your community without a car” brochure, released by the Office for Senior Citizens. The brochure’s purpose is to explain to senior citizens...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • NZ Troops Hone Their Skills in Queensland
    Around 260 New Zealand troops are on a 25-day Australian-led warfighting exercise in Townsville, Northern Queensland....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Maritime Union backs Green Party call for shipping lanes
    The Maritime Union is backing the Green Party’s policy to implement compulsory shipping lanes for coastal shipping, announced today....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Auckland Council Bypasses Public, Ditches Rodeo Ban
    Auckland Council Bypasses Public, Ditches Rodeo Ban The Auckland Council has announced that they are abandoning the rodeo ban on council land, put into place in 2008. This was done with virtually no consultation, says SAFE, the animal advocacy organisation....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Tolley and Coleman urged to meet West Papuan visitor
    Ministers Tolley and Coleman urged to meet West Papuan visitor Police Minister Anne Tolley and Defence Minister Dr Jonathan Coleman have a rare opportunity this week to gain first-hand knowledge about Indonesian police and military activities in West...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Minister Right to Give Fish & Game a Serve
    Reacting to Radio New Zealand’s report concerning allegations that Conservation Minister Nick Smith warned the Fish and Game Council that it acts like a 'rabid NGO', Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says:...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Government needs to get Fishing reform bill passed now
    The Maritime Union is urging the Government to push through a Bill reforming the fishing industry....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Ivory trade laws look set to tighten following petition
    A petition mounted by an Auckland schoolteacher has won the support of a powerful Select Committee and has moved the New Zealand closer towards a fully enforceable ivory trading ban....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Bilingual guide a demonstration of leadership
    “Waikato River Restoration: A Bilingual Guide” to the Waikato River that saw Tainui Waikato, Landcare Trust and the Waikato River Authority working together is a demonstration of rangatiratanga or leadership says Race Relations Commissioner...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga
    "It's great to have Georgie on board" said Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP. "She's strong-minded, stands up to be counted, and has fought for the rights of those who haven't had any - and won. That...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Sir Bob Harvey
    SUSAN Sir Bob Harvey was behind the transformation of Norm Kirk, and one of New Zealand's most popular Prime Ministers. He also advised Bill Rowling, David Lange and Helen Clark, the latter as Labour Party President. Wild Westie a new...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Rod Drury
    Xero boss Rod Drury told TVNZ’s Q+A programme what the political parties are offering at this election is ‘all too small.’ “There's no policy, all it is a bunch of incremental stuff. “All too small. What we want to do...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Gerry Brownlee
    Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee Rules Out Fastracking Auckland’s City Rail Loop Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee told TV1’s Q+A programme this morning that he won’t be bringing forward an Auckland City Rail loop based on new figures showing...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Owen interviews Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey
    Lisa Owen interviews Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey Headlines: Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey suggests “we can move on some” changes to welfare for New Zealanders in Australia New Zealanders “brothers and sisters” who make “a massive contribution”,...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Flavell and Harawira on The Nation
    Lisa Owen interviews Maori Party leader Te Ururoa Flavell and Mana leader Hone Harawira Headlines: Hone Harawira says realistically his Mana Party can take three Maori seats, Te Ururoa Flavell sticks to prediction that Maori Party will win all seven....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • The Nation 26,27 July: Flavell & Harawira, Joe Hockey
    On The Nation this weekend…. With the Maori seats primed to play a pivotal role this election, Torben Akel reports from the key battlegrounds and meets the top contenders. Then the Maori Party co-leader Te Ururoa Flavell and Mana Party...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Announcement of New Zealand First Candidate for Rangitīkei
    New Zealand First has endorsed Dr Romuald (‘Rom’) Rudzki as the candidate for the Rangitīkei Electorate in the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Labour Offer Len Brown a Hotel Tax
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming the Labour Party's plan to allow councils to levy new 'pillow taxes' and regional petrol taxes. Reacting to this afternoon’s NZ Herald report Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union ,...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Cell phone evidence a first
    Cell phone evidence a first Evidence gathered solely from a cell phone has been used for the first time to convict a Hastings man for possessing child sexual abuse pictures. Michael Lawrence Worsnop, a 29-year-old orchard worker pleaded guilty to...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
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