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		<title>By: Pike River Primary &#171; g.blog</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nats-19th-century-thinking-for-a-21st-century-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-97015</link>
		<dc:creator>Pike River Primary &#171; g.blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] River&#160;Primary  Posted on 23 October, 2008 by toad   This post, by Steve Pierson at The Standard is going to take some beating for the funniest blog post of the campaign. Absolutely brilliant! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] River&nbsp;Primary  Posted on 23 October, 2008 by toad   This post, by Steve Pierson at The Standard is going to take some beating for the funniest blog post of the campaign. Absolutely brilliant! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jbc</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nats-19th-century-thinking-for-a-21st-century-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-97008</link>
		<dc:creator>jbc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex: gold.

It requires no great stretch of the imagination to picture Ms King as described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex: gold.</p>
<p>It requires no great stretch of the imagination to picture Ms King as described.</p>
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		<title>By: The Nats&#8217; internal debate - a man of integrity v a slimy racist weasel &#171; g.blog</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nats-19th-century-thinking-for-a-21st-century-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-96984</link>
		<dc:creator>The Nats&#8217; internal debate - a man of integrity v a slimy racist weasel &#171; g.blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;big ups&#8221; to Steve Pierson at The Standard too. I have to say that this satire on Lockwood&#8217;s pronouncement has to be the funniest moment of the election campaign to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;big ups&#8221; to Steve Pierson at The Standard too. I have to say that this satire on Lockwood&#8217;s pronouncement has to be the funniest moment of the election campaign to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/nats-19th-century-thinking-for-a-21st-century-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-96981</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve P.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Or will you continue to try to avoid the issue or pretend it&#039;s not racist?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No it was a stupid thing to say. I don&#039;t think it was good at all and I&#039;m not sure if he should be sacked or not. But yes I agree it was stupid to make such racist generalisations. 

I&#039;m not a big fan of Lockwood Smith so I&#039;d probably sack him if it were my call and he had previously said similar things. I&#039;m not sure on his priors so I&#039;ll abstain on making that call. 

captcha: keys mositen - ewwww.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve P.</p>
<blockquote><p>Or will you continue to try to avoid the issue or pretend it&#8217;s not racist?</p></blockquote>
<p>No it was a stupid thing to say. I don&#8217;t think it was good at all and I&#8217;m not sure if he should be sacked or not. But yes I agree it was stupid to make such racist generalisations. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a big fan of Lockwood Smith so I&#8217;d probably sack him if it were my call and he had previously said similar things. I&#8217;m not sure on his priors so I&#8217;ll abstain on making that call. </p>
<p>captcha: keys mositen &#8211; ewwww.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
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		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SP, I&#039;m keen to identify the most humourous and cutting blog post of the election campaign.

Sorry, no cash prize (I donate all my spare cash to the Green Party), but I would have to say that so far this one wins by a country mile.

Brilliant, and exposes the Nats on a number of different fronts!

Well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SP, I&#8217;m keen to identify the most humourous and cutting blog post of the election campaign.</p>
<p>Sorry, no cash prize (I donate all my spare cash to the Green Party), but I would have to say that so far this one wins by a country mile.</p>
<p>Brilliant, and exposes the Nats on a number of different fronts!</p>
<p>Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: higherstandard</title>
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		<dc:creator>higherstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sod


&quot;I&#039;m more interested in your enema quip. It does match up with the psychosexual stage Dr &#039;sod had diagnosed you as being stuck in &quot;

This for an ass who has a predilection for domineering madams ....... I&#039;m truly hurt !

Tripod - are you boasting ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sod</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m more interested in your enema quip. It does match up with the psychosexual stage Dr &#8216;sod had diagnosed you as being stuck in &#8221;</p>
<p>This for an ass who has a predilection for domineering madams &#8230;&#8230;. I&#8217;m truly hurt !</p>
<p>Tripod &#8211; are you boasting ?</p>
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		<title>By: randal</title>
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		<dc:creator>randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All national MP&#039;s have small brains. It gets them the gig in the party but it wont make them the government in November. And very sorry but I dont feel like making a penis joke and lockwood smith in the same sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All national MP&#8217;s have small brains. It gets them the gig in the party but it wont make them the government in November. And very sorry but I dont feel like making a penis joke and lockwood smith in the same sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Countering Dr Smith&#039;s bold move, Labour frontbencher Annette King noted the imminent arrival of a full moon and the consequent surge in crime sure to hit South Auckland.

&quot;It&#039;s not enough that we wait for National to convincingly win the next election and allocate 200 more Police to the area,&quot; she said, up to her elbows in cat entrails.

&quot;Co-locating schools and industrial facilities as Dr Smith suggests is clearly a complete waste of time, since there&#039;ll be no jobs for them anyway now we&#039;ve blown the surplus just when it was needed to prime the economy. Instead Labour proposes a bold new plan to co-locate schools and juvenile detention facilities, with a handy revolving door between the two.

&quot;Graduates of these new academies will become CYFS social workers who - when they&#039;re not taking nude photos of their charges - will equip them with the life skills they need to avoid a life of crime - like predicting the phases of the moon so they know when to stay inside, and making sure they remain immersed in a bath of iced water whenever the temperature looks set to rise above 22 degrees.&quot;

Throwing salt (and bits of catgut) over her shoulder and turning widdershins three times, Ms King predicted the program would be a success. &quot;I&#039;ve read this detailed policy outline which suggests it works,&quot; she trilled, leaning a ladder against a wall so she could then avoid walking under it. &quot;It&#039;s by a bloke called Dickens&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Countering Dr Smith&#8217;s bold move, Labour frontbencher Annette King noted the imminent arrival of a full moon and the consequent surge in crime sure to hit South Auckland.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not enough that we wait for National to convincingly win the next election and allocate 200 more Police to the area,&#8221; she said, up to her elbows in cat entrails.</p>
<p>&#8220;Co-locating schools and industrial facilities as Dr Smith suggests is clearly a complete waste of time, since there&#8217;ll be no jobs for them anyway now we&#8217;ve blown the surplus just when it was needed to prime the economy. Instead Labour proposes a bold new plan to co-locate schools and juvenile detention facilities, with a handy revolving door between the two.</p>
<p>&#8220;Graduates of these new academies will become CYFS social workers who &#8211; when they&#8217;re not taking nude photos of their charges &#8211; will equip them with the life skills they need to avoid a life of crime &#8211; like predicting the phases of the moon so they know when to stay inside, and making sure they remain immersed in a bath of iced water whenever the temperature looks set to rise above 22 degrees.&#8221;</p>
<p>Throwing salt (and bits of catgut) over her shoulder and turning widdershins three times, Ms King predicted the program would be a success. &#8220;I&#8217;ve read this detailed policy outline which suggests it works,&#8221; she trilled, leaning a ladder against a wall so she could then avoid walking under it. &#8220;It&#8217;s by a bloke called Dickens&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tripod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tripod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Higherstandard - I don&#039;t think your dismissive comments are warranted. You need to be aware of the appalling work conditions some of these migrants were subject to.

Lockwood is implying that Islanders are &quot;not productive&quot; (&quot;lazy&quot;). He&#039;s not simply repeating what he&#039;s been told, he&#039;s indulging in his constituents&#039; prejudice.

I am very interested in what the man who is likely to be our next Minister of Immigration has to say, especially when he holds views that wouldn&#039;t be out of place in Victorian England. 

It&#039;s extremely newsworthy to PI voters, as well as voters from other ethnicities who care about the views of those who aspire to be in Cabinet. 

Where I agree with you though is that with exemplars of medicority like Lockwood inhabiting Parliament we are all doomed when the recession hits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Higherstandard &#8211; I don&#8217;t think your dismissive comments are warranted. You need to be aware of the appalling work conditions some of these migrants were subject to.</p>
<p>Lockwood is implying that Islanders are &#8220;not productive&#8221; (&#8220;lazy&#8221;). He&#8217;s not simply repeating what he&#8217;s been told, he&#8217;s indulging in his constituents&#8217; prejudice.</p>
<p>I am very interested in what the man who is likely to be our next Minister of Immigration has to say, especially when he holds views that wouldn&#8217;t be out of place in Victorian England. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s extremely newsworthy to PI voters, as well as voters from other ethnicities who care about the views of those who aspire to be in Cabinet. </p>
<p>Where I agree with you though is that with exemplars of medicority like Lockwood inhabiting Parliament we are all doomed when the recession hits.</p>
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		<title>By: rave</title>
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		<dc:creator>rave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Bill did utter some homophobic remark whilst on the psychosexual stage last week didnt he?.
I think Sod is onto something. The conservative is hung up on the family which is the engineroom of sexual repression, so we get very bad hangovers about dark people who arent raised properly to eat with us, same sex people who won&#039;t breed for civilisation, and from John boy himself homilies on how to displace your psychosexual energy and be good little child workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Bill did utter some homophobic remark whilst on the psychosexual stage last week didnt he?.<br />
I think Sod is onto something. The conservative is hung up on the family which is the engineroom of sexual repression, so we get very bad hangovers about dark people who arent raised properly to eat with us, same sex people who won&#8217;t breed for civilisation, and from John boy himself homilies on how to displace your psychosexual energy and be good little child workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Wait, what&#8217;s the RSE? at The Standard 2.02</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wait, what&#8217;s the RSE? at The Standard 2.02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we&#8217;ve reported on, given historical context to, and mocked Lockwood Smith&#8217;s racist comments about seasonal migrant workers. Now, to the substance of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we&#8217;ve reported on, given historical context to, and mocked Lockwood Smith&#8217;s racist comments about seasonal migrant workers. Now, to the substance of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I think North &amp; South had an article a while ago about it. I felt it seemed unfair to Asian workers who had previously worked in the orchards/vineyards, however, I can also see the logic of giving preference to our pacific neighbours. Ultimately it&#039;s the employers who are paying for it though, so I think they should be able to select from wherever they want. 

&quot;it becomes just a way for agriculture to undercut local workers.&quot;

They still have to comply with minimum wage laws &amp; health &amp; safety legislation though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I think North &amp; South had an article a while ago about it. I felt it seemed unfair to Asian workers who had previously worked in the orchards/vineyards, however, I can also see the logic of giving preference to our pacific neighbours. Ultimately it&#8217;s the employers who are paying for it though, so I think they should be able to select from wherever they want. </p>
<p>&#8220;it becomes just a way for agriculture to undercut local workers.&#8221;</p>
<p>They still have to comply with minimum wage laws &amp; health &amp; safety legislation though.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was working in the Dip Corp when the RSE was being developed. Basically, Australia and NZ take a bunch of seasonal workers, primarily from the Pacific for agricultural work. It was pushed by the Pacific Island countries as a way of getting more remittances and upskilling their work-force and by the agriculture industries here and in Aussie, who want labour but are too cheap to pay decent wages.

A number of Pacific Islands nations are allocated set numbers of RSE permits per year, they arrange the individual workers who will come over. It is essentially an aid programme for the Pacific (with a payoff for us form cheap labour), that&#039;s why most of the workers are from the Islands. Take away the allocations for the Pacific Islands and you take away the point of the scheme and it becomes just a way for agriculture to undercut local workers.

maybe this should be a post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was working in the Dip Corp when the RSE was being developed. Basically, Australia and NZ take a bunch of seasonal workers, primarily from the Pacific for agricultural work. It was pushed by the Pacific Island countries as a way of getting more remittances and upskilling their work-force and by the agriculture industries here and in Aussie, who want labour but are too cheap to pay decent wages.</p>
<p>A number of Pacific Islands nations are allocated set numbers of RSE permits per year, they arrange the individual workers who will come over. It is essentially an aid programme for the Pacific (with a payoff for us form cheap labour), that&#8217;s why most of the workers are from the Islands. Take away the allocations for the Pacific Islands and you take away the point of the scheme and it becomes just a way for agriculture to undercut local workers.</p>
<p>maybe this should be a post.</p>
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		<title>By: Robinsod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robinsod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Felix - I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll agree that, like many conservatives, HS shows all the hallmarks of that particular psychological retardation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Felix &#8211; I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll agree that, like many conservatives, HS shows all the hallmarks of that particular psychological retardation?</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;psychosexual stage&quot; is a reference to a level of development, not to a fetish. 

Please keep up, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;psychosexual stage&#8221; is a reference to a level of development, not to a fetish. </p>
<p>Please keep up, people.</p>
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