Comments on: Nats relying on ignorance

By: Fact checkin’ 3 at The Standard 2.02

Fact checkin’ 3 at The Standard 2.02 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:25:31 +0000

[...] Lie. For the third time in three debates, Key tells this lie. The number of people leaving is within historic norms and we get more immigrants than we lose emigrants. « Another politician caught in taping [...]

By: Fact checkin’ round 2 at The Standard 2.02

Fact checkin’ round 2 at The Standard 2.02 — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:45:42 +0000

[...] record numbers leaving for Australia Lie. the current level of emigration is well-within the normal cycle « Election Quiz Text polls [...]

By: randal

randal — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:16:56 +0000

so what. why do people wnat to hang around with the likes of you?

By: Hauraki

Hauraki — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:12:11 +0000

woo this is such a joke.. deleting my post doesn’t prove u right

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10538926

Aussie exodus highest level for 30 years
4:00PM Wednesday Oct 22, 2008

Figures published today by Statistics New Zealand (SNZ) showed about 47,200 people left New Zealand for Australia on a permanent or long term (PLT) basis during the year to September. About 13,200 came the other way.

The resulting net PLT outflow to Australia of around 33,900 was the highest for any 12-month period since monthly figures started to be compiled in April 1978, SNZ said.

By: Fact checkin’ at The Standard 2.02

Fact checkin’ at The Standard 2.02 — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:47:25 +0000

[...] people are leaving in record numbers Lie: the current level of emigration is well-within the normal cycle « Video: TV3 on Key’s campaign day 2 Lying to win [...]

By: the sprout

the sprout — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:23:34 +0000

the title reminds me of that infamous line by Theresa Gattunng just before her leaving Telecom. she also said Telecom was relying on the IT ignorance of its customers to make large profits.

By: Is outward migration a problem? « The visible hand in economics

Is outward migration a problem? « The visible hand in economics — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:56:08 +0000

[...] However, I don’t feel that this view of outward migration gives us the full picture of what is good and bad – lets discuss (Note: The Standard discusses the issue as well here): [...]

By: Scribe

Scribe — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:31:52 +0000

Steve,

I couldn’t find the information on citizens, but the proportion of people in the census who were born overseas has gone from 17.5% in ’96 to 19.5 in ’01 to 22.9 in ’06. I suspect many of them aren’t citizens.

As I said above, not sure if that would skew these numbers at all. I just wondered in light of your choice of percentages as citizens relative to population.

Hmmmm, the more I think about it….

By: Spam

Spam — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:55 +0000

just to check Spam.. you think it’s OK for National to make misleading arguments if someone else does it too?
You obviously think that it is, or you wouldn’t post them yourselves.

And then you post about how others are misleading with theirs’. Hypocrisy?

By: Killinginthenameof

Killinginthenameof — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:15:33 +0000

Has any one else been unable to view kiwiblog if you dont allow it to install something to your computer?

By: randal

randal — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:57:26 +0000

New Zealand is a nation that exports things including poeple and has done so since its beginning. Its what economists call the residual. Trust the nats to try and eceptionalise the migration figures. They (the nats) could be a modern version of chicken little only they keep running round after their heads have been cut off.

By: Daveski

Daveski — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:42:03 +0000

I made a valid point that the initial criticism was about the time period and you haven’t compared like against like with respect to this.

However, I did miss the fact that you had noted the % issue in the second part of your paragraph – I assumed it was a discussion of the original statement.

It would certainly have been interesting to see TWO graphs – one showing the raw data, the other as a %.

As noted above, the current levels are at historical highs which indicates that we should be concerned with no evidence that the trend has yet reversed.

By: Scribe

Scribe — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:25:39 +0000

SP,

Scribe. anything to back up your guesses on population and citizenship?

Well, I haven’t have time to check. Will try later.

Walking down Lambton Quay or Queen Street isn’t scientific, but…

By: Matthew Pilott

Matthew Pilott — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:25:06 +0000

Pete, the 2003 ‘peak’ returned to a level further from 0% than the two previous ‘peaks’, I can see that. I don’t think ‘equilibrium’ is the correct term either – it’s not a balance between two opposing forces, simply a measure of one as a proportion of a ‘parent’ or ‘pool’.

The graph would not show length of people’s depatrures either – I assume that it shows, for various datasets, the percentage of people that left NZ as a proportion of NZ population at the same time. The reality behind the reduced 2003 ‘peak’ is that as part of the cycle it did not return to levels of the previous two cycles.

Steve made a point above about an increasingly mobile population, which rings true. This could be considered positive in a couple of ways – we have more money and more inclination to travel. Equally it could be negative – we have less money and a greater requirement to travel for it! In of itself, I don’t think the graph does what you claim.

Alone, the graph merely shows that what is happing now is not without precedent, and that there are those who would have you believe otherwise.

I’ve always thought that people think what is happening now is as bad as it has ever been – crime, youth, wages, migration, house prices – they’re all as bad as they’ve been. Probably the worst. Ever. Thanks in no small part to a commercial media that is focussed on revenue and headlines, not informing. I hope that the internet as a widely available resource mine will be able to dispel many of these myths and hype.

By: Steve Pierson

Steve Pierson — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:14:33 +0000

pete. if the country were emptying out, that would be a problem, a more mobile global population is not,

Scribe. anything to back up your guesses on population and citizenship?