No free speech at convention centre

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1. Blue Leopard 1

   19 July 2013 at 9:33 am

   …so when Key and his mates were in opposition bleating on about “Nanny State” their criticism was actually that Helen and co were not going far enough with it…should have been more Gulag
   • Paul 1.1

     19 July 2013 at 9:41 am

     And the Herald proclaimed ‘Democracy under attack.’
     Now we know the editors of the Herald are actually agencies and facilitators for the dismantling of democracy in NZ.
     • Blue Leopard 1.1.1

       19 July 2013 at 10:09 am

       Pretty blatant really isn’t it…why don’t people just stop buying that crap?
       • muzza 1.1.1.1

         19 July 2013 at 11:17 am

         Because the need to be lied to, is at least equal to, the need to be *informed*!
         • blue leopard 1.1.1.1.1

           19 July 2013 at 1:19 pm

           A while back it dawned on me:

           Truth hurts, yet lies hurt more
2. paul andersen 2

   19 July 2013 at 9:48 am

   I predict the convention centre will be a huge white elephant that struggles to attract business, and the hireage rates will tumble, therefore skycity will moan about running costs, and constantly be coming back to the government for top-ups. win-win< I think not. the best thing to do would be for all the beggers in auckland to congregate outside it every time it is used, send a message that is hard to ignore.
   • Colonial Viper 2.1

     19 July 2013 at 11:14 am

     The NATs will chuck every Auckland government tax payer funded event they can at the Convention Centre, at premium rates as well.
     • Tigger 2.1.1

       19 July 2013 at 12:37 pm

       Including smaller ones that would have gone to venues out of Auckland…
     • muzza 2.1.2

       19 July 2013 at 12:59 pm

       Yes, it is certain that the majority of local/central govt events, will be hosted at the new convention center, at premium rates!
       • Akldnut 2.1.2.1

         19 July 2013 at 4:12 pm

         An international conference on “the dangers of deep sea drilling & suitability of govt protections against spillage” – that would get right up their noses or an “International Labour Party conference”. lol
   • ghostwhowalksnz 2.2

     19 July 2013 at 5:25 pm

     There will be a range of convention sizes from 50 to 2500.

     It will be in use every day, but the biggest spaces not so much
   • David H 2.3

     19 July 2013 at 6:20 pm

     I read somewhere that the conference/ convention people are now staying close to home, as it costs way too much to bring all the people down here on an all expenses paid junket. And the forecast is for even more hard times for these centers, and some think it madness to waste this much money on a financial hole in the ground.
3. Rosetinted 3

   19 July 2013 at 9:59 am

   paul andersen
   This won’t happen. You are quite wrong and don’t understand the figures or the business.
   Blah blah. That is the only response that politicians will give you. Because they don ‘t give a f..k – no-one can touch them for shithouse running of the country and maladministration of our economy. They used to shoot corrupt people in China. Here we whitewash them and give them knighthoods.

   Putin can teach Key a few tricks. We seem to be following the USA which is adopting methods that would once have been regarded as solely belonging to those awful commies. Putin has brought a fraud case against an opposition contender for Mayor of Moscow who was daring to put up his hand as a future President. The man has been found guilty and is now ineligible for political appointment. What dirt can be dug on Shearer I wonder?
4. felix 4

   19 July 2013 at 10:48 am

   I’d forgotten how keen David Farrar used to be on the Human Rights Commission: http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0712/a634bc2dd4ea7dcedc21.jpeg

   Has he had anything to say about the HRC on the GCSB bill?

   Is that when he deleted the images from his memory?
   • Rosetinted 4.1

     19 July 2013 at 10:51 am

     felix
     Are you implying that David Farrar is a built machine, with just a human form in a skin envelope? Futurama had that as a theme in the program I watched last night. Fits.
     • felix 4.1.1

       19 July 2013 at 12:15 pm

       That’s not the sort of thing I’d imply about a decent human being.
5. Wayne (a different one) 5

   19 July 2013 at 12:22 pm

   Fantastic deal by National – more jobs and wealth for the country!

   Why would anyone want to knock that – got me beat!
   • framu 5.1

     19 July 2013 at 12:32 pm

     so lest say labour gets in and vetos the national party conference? you happy with that?

     jesus wept your an idiot
     • Vagabundo 5.1.1

       19 July 2013 at 1:08 pm

       “so lest say labour gets in and vetos the national party conference? you happy with that?”

       I know I would be because that shit would be too funny.
       • Akldnut 5.1.1.1

         19 July 2013 at 4:22 pm

         Too funny +1
   • joe90 5.2

     19 July 2013 at 12:46 pm

     Because convention centres are so successful.

     /

     http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204720204577126603702369654.html

     http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2012/06/stop-building-convention-centers/2210/

     http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=46240

     http://www.dailypost.vu/content/national-convention-centre-another-white-elephant?
     • Bob 5.2.1

       19 July 2013 at 4:14 pm

       That’s why you get a large corporate like, lets say SkyCity to stump up the cash, so when it falls on its arse (as it almost certainly will) they have to pick up the pieces, not the tax payer!
       You may need to give them some concessions to make them part with their money, but at the end of the day you get what Tourism NZ has been asking for, you get more jobs, and you get investment happening in the building sector (outside of Christchurch).
       • Draco T Bastard 5.2.1.1

         19 July 2013 at 4:35 pm

         Except it’s not SkyCity that’s stumping up the cash but Auckland and NZ in the form of massive harm caused by gambling.
         • framu 5.2.1.1.1

           20 July 2013 at 1:46 pm

           and the disbursement fees – which every pro person just cant recall when the shout “its free!”

           for people who love to bang the personal responsibility drum they dont seem to have much follow though on their ideals
   • Phil 5.3

     19 July 2013 at 2:55 pm

     Good dog Wayne, good dog. Now sit.
     • Paul 5.3.1

       19 July 2013 at 9:24 pm

       More like good sheep Wayne.
       Follow the herd and don’t engage in any critical I thinking.
   • Akldnut 5.4

     19 July 2013 at 4:19 pm

     Fantastic deal by National – a few more jobs and a little wealth for the country but a whole lot for Sky City!

     Fify.
6. Mary 6

   19 July 2013 at 2:09 pm

   John Key is pure evil. An absolute dictator. If he and his rich mates get in next year we need to take to the streets!
   • James 6.1

     19 July 2013 at 2:59 pm

     So you would take to the streets to protest a democratically elected leader?

     Yep _ typical leftie.
     • Mary 6.1.1

       19 July 2013 at 4:00 pm

       yes take to the streets, Keys is not my Prime Minister. He should not be PM. He and his rich mates are selling off the country. Uprise against Keys and his evil rich mates
       • Bob 6.1.1.1

         19 July 2013 at 4:15 pm

         Chicken Little, the sky is falling!
         • Akldnut 6.1.1.1.1

           19 July 2013 at 4:25 pm

           And we must tell the King.

           Wait…………… we’ve been doing that for years now but Shonkey just aint listening.
         • blue leopard 6.1.1.1.2

           19 July 2013 at 4:30 pm

           Um, no I don’t believe that is what Mary is concerned about there Bob, I believe she is concerned that this country is being “sold off”. This might be meant figuratively or literally. Perhaps you might try a little harder to understand a comment before responding to it.
       • James 6.1.1.2

         19 July 2013 at 9:37 pm

         If you live in NZ and a NZ citizen – then yep he is your PM. Thought even the slowest of the slow would have picked up on that by now. Looking at the latest polls – you better start getting used to it.

         But again – if he wins – taking to the streets to say that the guy that less people voted for should be PM because you like him better is, well, stupid.
         • North 6.1.1.2.1

           20 July 2013 at 8:53 am

           Facile James. Who believes that democracy is a triennial physical ritual and leave it at that.
     • framu 6.1.2

       20 July 2013 at 1:46 pm

       have you got a problem with protest james?

       typical authoritarian
7. captain hook 7

   19 July 2013 at 2:27 pm

   the whole country has gone crazy. and they wont be able to use exotic timber from the Solomon Islands because there isn’t any left!
   Its all fucking gone!
8. tsmithfield 8

   19 July 2013 at 3:17 pm

   There isn’t actually free speech in NZ now.

   From the link:

   New Zealand prohibits hate speech under the Human Rights Act 1993. Section 61 (Racial Disharmony) makes it unlawful to publish or distribute “threatening, abusive, or insulting…matter or words likely to excite hostility against or bring into contempt any group of persons…on the ground of the colour, race, or ethnic or national or ethnic origins of that group of persons.” Section 131 (Inciting Racial Disharmony) lists offences for which “racial disharmony” creates liability.

   So, perhaps the government wants to be able to ban people from using the facility that might use it as a platform for hate-speech. I’m sure an international KKK convention wouldn’t be welcomed by many on this site, or most other sites.

   This is the thin end of the wedge problem. Once free speech is restricted in one context, then justification can be found for restricting it in other contexts as well.
   • McFlock 8.1

     19 July 2013 at 3:29 pm

     No, it’s not a problem. Because as you pointed out, hate speech is already restricted (as are othertypes of speech injurious to the public good).

     Your KKK convention would not have happened, for the simple reason that those attendees who could pass the visa and border checks already in place would not already be prohibited from saying things that are illegal.

     This is not about hate-speech – this is about restricting people and events who aren’t of the right “type and style”. Rich tory tax-dodging seminars would (no doubt) be acceptable. A NORML convention? Maybe not.
   • felix 8.2

     19 July 2013 at 10:56 pm

     I think they just want to be able to stop people from using the convention centre to set fire to nuns.

     tsmithfield, I’d like to hear your opinion on this. If you doubt I’m right, please explain why.
     • McFlock 8.2.1

       19 July 2013 at 11:36 pm

       Labour spent NINE YEARS doing NOTHING about nun immolation! Labour are SOFT on nun burning!
9. chrissy 9

   19 July 2013 at 4:34 pm

   Hate speech is used by key every time he is in Parliament .He goes on and on abusing Shearer while the speaker is whispering order! order I say! Sorry mate can’t hear you.
   I was watching key one day when he was doing one of his highly embarrassing rants against Shearer and the look on his face was absolute hatred. I think he has a pathological hatred for Shearer because he does have a good backstory, he has been recognised for the job that he did which DID consist of acts of bravery. He is everything that key is not.
   key is just a little woofter looking for the main chance and never mind who gets in the way.I don’t see big write ups on how he made his millions in any of the magazines. Now that would be interesting.
   I think that if Shearer just ignored every one else’s opinions and so forth and just concentrated on how he and the party would do things then he would do very well.
   • big bruv 9.1

     19 July 2013 at 8:08 pm

     David who?
10. big bruv 10

    19 July 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Oh the irony!…….Left wingers moaning about non existent attacks on free speech.

    Where were you people when Helen Clark made speaking out against the corrupt Labour government a crime?
    • Draco T Bastard 10.1

      19 July 2013 at 7:58 pm

      …when Helen Clark made speaking out against the corrupt Labour government a crime?

      Never happened except in your delusional mind.
      • big bruv 10.1.1

        19 July 2013 at 8:07 pm

        Draco.

        I am genuinely amazed at your carefully selective memory.

        You know that is what happened, you know that Clark made free speech illegal. It so annoyed the public that they voted her and her equally corrupt government out of power.

        There is no doubt about it, 2008 was indeed a great year. To see the back of such a corrupt and evil PM and the usual bad grace in which she took her total rejection is one of the happiest days of my life. That election night proved that good can overcome evil.
        • Anne 10.1.1.1

          19 July 2013 at 9:51 pm

          You just made that up in your head bb. There’s a medical term for that sort of thing.
        • Draco T Bastard 10.1.1.2

          19 July 2013 at 10:42 pm

          You know that is what happened, you know that Clark made free speech illegal.

          Well then, you shouldn’t have any difficulty pointing to the legislation that was passed that made free-speech illegal.
          • QoT 10.1.1.2.1

            20 July 2013 at 10:42 pm

            Geez, Draco, obviously they *also* passed legislation to cover up the legislation. And then more legislation to send anyone who mentioned that legislation to the gulags.
        • North 10.1.1.3

          20 July 2013 at 8:57 am

          See a doctor BB Loony……..a specialist in shit-from-mouth.
    • Daveosaurus 10.2

      19 July 2013 at 8:01 pm

      They were probably back in “the real world”, in which Clark did no such thing.

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