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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-122066</link>
		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahaha - you&#039;re not seriously suggeting data produced by the Centre for New Europe is valid - that&#039;s like crediting the Business Roundtable with anything other than greed. Have a read of this: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Centre_for_the_New_Europe - here&#039;s an extract:

The funding of the CNE is not transparent. It failed to answer a think tank survey by the Corporate Europe Observatory in 2005. However, the annual reports of Exxon Mobil reveal that CNE in 2003 and 2004 received $40,000 and $80,000 respectively for its &quot;Global Climate Change Education Efforts&quot;. 

In other words, your citation is bollocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahaha &#8211; you&#8217;re not seriously suggeting data produced by the Centre for New Europe is valid &#8211; that&#8217;s like crediting the Business Roundtable with anything other than greed. Have a read of this: <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Centre_for_the_New_Europe" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Centre_for_the_New_Europe</a> &#8211; here&#8217;s an extract:</p>
<p>The funding of the CNE is not transparent. It failed to answer a think tank survey by the Corporate Europe Observatory in 2005. However, the annual reports of Exxon Mobil reveal that CNE in 2003 and 2004 received $40,000 and $80,000 respectively for its &#8220;Global Climate Change Education Efforts&#8221;. </p>
<p>In other words, your citation is bollocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121882</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here ya go BLiP. And this is just the EU............... http://www.cne.org/pub_pdf/2003_09_04_EU_barriers_kill_PR.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here ya go BLiP. And this is just the EU&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; <a href="http://www.cne.org/pub_pdf/2003_09_04_EU_barriers_kill_PR.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cne.org/pub_pdf/2003_09_04_EU_barriers_kill_PR.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121794</link>
		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s we, Kemosabe?

I don&#039;t know what esoteric economic volume you could cite to provide even an etheric substantiation of your claim (was it something Greenspan said, perhaps?), but how about this: if the multinationals operating in the third world gave one flying fuck about non-shareholding human beings, would there be a need for international aid in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s we, Kemosabe?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what esoteric economic volume you could cite to provide even an etheric substantiation of your claim (was it something Greenspan said, perhaps?), but how about this: if the multinationals operating in the third world gave one flying fuck about non-shareholding human beings, would there be a need for international aid in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121748</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Navy got much in the way of explosives? Or are we looking at a line of uniforms fast bowling sea shell variety shells.

I prefer the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Navy got much in the way of explosives? Or are we looking at a line of uniforms fast bowling sea shell variety shells.</p>
<p>I prefer the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121745</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil Goff would disagree with your position on free trade

&quot;Labour leader Phil Goff was yesterday optimistic that the goal of an FTA remained on track.&quot;

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/2131050/Obama-puts-off-trade-talks

He&#039;s right. You have to be a a bit thick to not think free trade is a good thing for what is often described as an export lead economy, so its no surprise that IrishBill is writing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil Goff would disagree with your position on free trade</p>
<p>&#8220;Labour leader Phil Goff was yesterday optimistic that the goal of an FTA remained on track.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/2131050/Obama-puts-off-trade-talks" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/2131050/Obama-puts-off-trade-talks</a></p>
<p>He&#8217;s right. You have to be a a bit thick to not think free trade is a good thing for what is often described as an export lead economy, so its no surprise that IrishBill is writing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Please President Obama, stand up for my nations freedom to trade &#124; TVHE</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121732</link>
		<dc:creator>Please President Obama, stand up for my nations freedom to trade &#124; TVHE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Homepaddock, and the Standard express similarish [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121708</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey BLiP, did you know that trade barriers cost the third world far far more than we currently give them in aid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey BLiP, did you know that trade barriers cost the third world far far more than we currently give them in aid?</p>
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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121659</link>
		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Free Trade&quot;  - another oxymoron up there with &quot;military intelligence&quot; or &quot;free market&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Free Trade&#8221;  &#8211; another oxymoron up there with &#8220;military intelligence&#8221; or &#8220;free market&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ieuan</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121650</link>
		<dc:creator>ieuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever been to a country that &#039;socialised&#039; the means of production and wondered why everything was run down and there was nothing to buy?  It is also just about impossible to get anyone to do anything because in a country where everyone is &#039;equal&#039;, why try harder?

Capitalism is a long way from being perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than every other alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever been to a country that &#8216;socialised&#8217; the means of production and wondered why everything was run down and there was nothing to buy?  It is also just about impossible to get anyone to do anything because in a country where everyone is &#8216;equal&#8217;, why try harder?</p>
<p>Capitalism is a long way from being perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than every other alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: IrishBill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121649</link>
		<dc:creator>IrishBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try Chinese workers being able to come here without immigration restraints. I&#039;m sure there are several hundreds if millions that would enjoy the work rights offered by us and other western nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try Chinese workers being able to come here without immigration restraints. I&#8217;m sure there are several hundreds if millions that would enjoy the work rights offered by us and other western nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121648</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bargaining tool ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bargaining tool <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121645</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On the other hand Douglas and his neo-liberal thugs left us with no protections at all in the 80s and 90s so we don&#039;t have much to lose from a free trade deal.&quot;

Please explain the benefits of protectionism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On the other hand Douglas and his neo-liberal thugs left us with no protections at all in the 80s and 90s so we don&#8217;t have much to lose from a free trade deal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please explain the benefits of protectionism?</p>
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		<title>By: rave</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121637</link>
		<dc:creator>rave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trade is about exchange. Freedom of exchange ignores the inequality of the parties. Either workers who are selling the labour power under duress (because they can&#039;t survive otherwise - ask WINZ), or poor peasants etc who have to sell cheap to monopoly capitalists. 

There can be no free trade, even including workers, under capitalism. The solution to the problem is to get rid of the market and to socialise the means of production, not as bailouts for the rich, but as the social property owned collectively by the vast mass of those who work for a living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trade is about exchange. Freedom of exchange ignores the inequality of the parties. Either workers who are selling the labour power under duress (because they can&#8217;t survive otherwise &#8211; ask WINZ), or poor peasants etc who have to sell cheap to monopoly capitalists. </p>
<p>There can be no free trade, even including workers, under capitalism. The solution to the problem is to get rid of the market and to socialise the means of production, not as bailouts for the rich, but as the social property owned collectively by the vast mass of those who work for a living.</p>
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		<title>By: gingercrush</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121631</link>
		<dc:creator>gingercrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I never agreed with Iraq either. In fact I remember trolling American sites talking how cruddy they were and how much it was going to be a mistake for them to invade Iraq. But at the same time. You can&#039;t simply withdraw troops and expect Iraq to somehow be stable. Such a view is truly naive at best.So while I never agreed to go into Iraq. The view of many that you simply withdraw from Iraq and that it would be better,I simply can&#039;t agree with it.

Mind you National could bomb Fiji and I&#039;d still likely vote for them.

&lt;strong&gt;[lprent: we don&#039;t have offensive air weapons. Perhaps you mean &#039;shelled&#039; by the navy]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I never agreed with Iraq either. In fact I remember trolling American sites talking how cruddy they were and how much it was going to be a mistake for them to invade Iraq. But at the same time. You can&#8217;t simply withdraw troops and expect Iraq to somehow be stable. Such a view is truly naive at best.So while I never agreed to go into Iraq. The view of many that you simply withdraw from Iraq and that it would be better,I simply can&#8217;t agree with it.</p>
<p>Mind you National could bomb Fiji and I&#8217;d still likely vote for them.</p>
<p><strong>[lprent: we don't have offensive air weapons. Perhaps you mean 'shelled' by the navy]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-free-trade-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-121626</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Lprent.  Afghanistan made sense.  Iraq was just silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Lprent.  Afghanistan made sense.  Iraq was just silly.</p>
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