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		<title>By: Say What We Want Or Shut Up &#187; Nevermind</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-122288</link>
		<dc:creator>Say What We Want Or Shut Up &#187; Nevermind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Like bullying the journalist who reported the &#8220;we would love to see wages drop&#8221; quote. And bullying Barry Soper, political editor of Newstalk ZB on numerous occasions (Kate Wilkinson on scrapping employer kiwisaver contributions, Bill English on borrowing for tax cuts) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Like bullying the journalist who reported the &#8220;we would love to see wages drop&#8221; quote. And bullying Barry Soper, political editor of Newstalk ZB on numerous occasions (Kate Wilkinson on scrapping employer kiwisaver contributions, Bill English on borrowing for tax cuts) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bullies at The Standard 2.01</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-70464</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullies at The Standard 2.01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;we would love to see wages drop&#8221; or the attempts to bully Barry Soper out of quoting Bill English and Kate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;we would love to see wages drop&#8221; or the attempts to bully Barry Soper out of quoting Bill English and Kate [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nats vs journos at The Standard 2.01</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-67760</link>
		<dc:creator>Nats vs journos at The Standard 2.01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And when John Key said New Zealand has never experienced internal conflict. And when Bill English said National would borrow for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And when John Key said New Zealand has never experienced internal conflict. And when Bill English said National would borrow for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nats to journos: say what we want or shut up at The Standard 2.01</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-51788</link>
		<dc:creator>Nats to journos: say what we want or shut up at The Standard 2.01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 01:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] drop&#039;. Soper also felt National&#8217;s wrath when Bill English tried to stop him running an interview in which English said National would borrow for tax [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] drop&#8217;. Soper also felt National&#8217;s wrath when Bill English tried to stop him running an interview in which English said National would borrow for tax [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Connell evasive over trip at thestandard.org.nz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connell evasive over trip at thestandard.org.nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are much more important stories Faafoi could have covered. For example, English saying he would borrow to fund tax cuts, Carter saying National would sell Landcorp, and Key and APN [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are much more important stories Faafoi could have covered. For example, English saying he would borrow to fund tax cuts, Carter saying National would sell Landcorp, and Key and APN [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dollar Dollar Bill, Y&#8217;ll at thestandard.org.nz</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-22515</link>
		<dc:creator>Dollar Dollar Bill, Y&#8217;ll at thestandard.org.nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] after saying &quot;we&#039;ve always said, we aren&#039;t that worried about, um, whether the Crown needs to borrow a bit [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] after saying &#8220;we&#8217;ve always said, we aren&#8217;t that worried about, um, whether the Crown needs to borrow a bit [...]</p>
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		<title>By: higherstandard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-22059</link>
		<dc:creator>higherstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding ak

I disagree with your ideology but well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding ak</p>
<p>I disagree with your ideology but well done.</p>
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		<title>By: ak</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-22050</link>
		<dc:creator>ak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q:  What do you get when you stick a thin slippery mask on a heartless reactionary ideology?  

A: Glimpses: 
&quot;We will borrow to fund tax cuts&quot;, &quot;We will privatise our schools&quot;,&quot;The war is over&quot;, &quot;People can go down the road to the cheaper doctor&quot;, &quot;We would love to see wages drop&quot;, &quot;We&#039;ll abolish the fee cap for doctors&quot;, &quot;We&#039;ll give the meat companies $200mill&quot;, &quot;Climate change is not proven&quot;, &quot;We love the Maori Party but will annihilate it&quot;

With apologies, I am moved to verse:

HMS Glimpse:

Oh what a hideous hulk we see
behind the brightly painted Quay
The grinning standard tight concealed
while Press gangs plough the owners&#039; fields. 
The widows&#039; tears of past forgotten 
as Slippery John bestruts the rotten
planks of woe and horror below:
simpering slut of king cargo.

But deep in ancient and caulk and teak
pernicious nature change doth wreak
and God&#039;s great hand works soft and true
to keep His bounty from the Few
and as of yore His will prevails
through lesser creations&#039; travails -
as worm and rat - (so cruelly hated, 
by armies of tory constipated)
fulfil their heavenly designation
(on minimum wage and paltry ration)
and scuttle the gains of others&#039; blood -
fingering dykes won&#039;t stop this flood!

So watch, dear tories, as history marches on. And be reassured by the fact that those whom you now despise will prevail: for they will have more compassion for your descendants than you ever would have. 






 
 

And thus,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q:  What do you get when you stick a thin slippery mask on a heartless reactionary ideology?  </p>
<p>A: Glimpses:<br />
&#8220;We will borrow to fund tax cuts&#8221;, &#8220;We will privatise our schools&#8221;,&#8221;The war is over&#8221;, &#8220;People can go down the road to the cheaper doctor&#8221;, &#8220;We would love to see wages drop&#8221;, &#8220;We&#8217;ll abolish the fee cap for doctors&#8221;, &#8220;We&#8217;ll give the meat companies $200mill&#8221;, &#8220;Climate change is not proven&#8221;, &#8220;We love the Maori Party but will annihilate it&#8221;</p>
<p>With apologies, I am moved to verse:</p>
<p>HMS Glimpse:</p>
<p>Oh what a hideous hulk we see<br />
behind the brightly painted Quay<br />
The grinning standard tight concealed<br />
while Press gangs plough the owners&#8217; fields.<br />
The widows&#8217; tears of past forgotten<br />
as Slippery John bestruts the rotten<br />
planks of woe and horror below:<br />
simpering slut of king cargo.</p>
<p>But deep in ancient and caulk and teak<br />
pernicious nature change doth wreak<br />
and God&#8217;s great hand works soft and true<br />
to keep His bounty from the Few<br />
and as of yore His will prevails<br />
through lesser creations&#8217; travails -<br />
as worm and rat &#8211; (so cruelly hated,<br />
by armies of tory constipated)<br />
fulfil their heavenly designation<br />
(on minimum wage and paltry ration)<br />
and scuttle the gains of others&#8217; blood -<br />
fingering dykes won&#8217;t stop this flood!</p>
<p>So watch, dear tories, as history marches on. And be reassured by the fact that those whom you now despise will prevail: for they will have more compassion for your descendants than you ever would have. </p>
<p>And thus,</p>
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		<title>By: David S.</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-22049</link>
		<dc:creator>David S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We would love to see wages drop. The way we want to see wages increase is because productivity is greater. So people can afford more. Not just inflationary reasons, otherwise it&#039;s a bit of a vicious circle as it comes back to you in higher interest rates. We really want to drive that out.&#039;

It seems to me Key was saying that he thinks wages are too high right now, presumably as a result of minimum wage increases, and that it&#039;s his opinion that increases in wage should come as a result  of economic growth instead. So yeah, he wants wages to drop, since they&#039;ve been &quot;artificially&quot; increased, then grow as a result of increases in productivity. An opinion most of the right would probably agree with. 

Of course, that doesn&#039;t cover the whole &quot;I was talking about Australia&quot; BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We would love to see wages drop. The way we want to see wages increase is because productivity is greater. So people can afford more. Not just inflationary reasons, otherwise it&#8217;s a bit of a vicious circle as it comes back to you in higher interest rates. We really want to drive that out.&#8217;</p>
<p>It seems to me Key was saying that he thinks wages are too high right now, presumably as a result of minimum wage increases, and that it&#8217;s his opinion that increases in wage should come as a result  of economic growth instead. So yeah, he wants wages to drop, since they&#8217;ve been &#8220;artificially&#8221; increased, then grow as a result of increases in productivity. An opinion most of the right would probably agree with. </p>
<p>Of course, that doesn&#8217;t cover the whole &#8220;I was talking about Australia&#8221; BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Infused: There&#039;s no problem with borrowing to support investment. Tax cut is the very opposite of investment, it&#039;s effectively paying out your investors, and borrowing for that sort of thing is incredibly poor fiscal management, and at BEST it&#039;s unsustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Infused: There&#8217;s no problem with borrowing to support investment. Tax cut is the very opposite of investment, it&#8217;s effectively paying out your investors, and borrowing for that sort of thing is incredibly poor fiscal management, and at BEST it&#8217;s unsustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Got that? National will borrow money to pay for tax cuts. I don&#039;t think I need to spell out the problems with this plan.&quot;

Is that literally all you&#039;ve got besides the lower wages quote? Are you guys reduced to pasting quotes to win your idealogical argument?

&quot;Yup, that&#039;s a week of shoddy politics by National. They forgot the first rule of being Tories - don&#039;t never tell your plans to people who might not like to hear it, save those comments for meetings with business people and the vague nice stuff for the public.&quot;

Is that anything like the haters and wreckers or last cab of the rank remarks? Or is it only National leaders that make mistakes?

I mean, I knew you guys were fans, but you are clearly in the realm of being a sycophant. It&#039;s quite pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Got that? National will borrow money to pay for tax cuts. I don&#8217;t think I need to spell out the problems with this plan.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that literally all you&#8217;ve got besides the lower wages quote? Are you guys reduced to pasting quotes to win your idealogical argument?</p>
<p>&#8220;Yup, that&#8217;s a week of shoddy politics by National. They forgot the first rule of being Tories &#8211; don&#8217;t never tell your plans to people who might not like to hear it, save those comments for meetings with business people and the vague nice stuff for the public.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that anything like the haters and wreckers or last cab of the rank remarks? Or is it only National leaders that make mistakes?</p>
<p>I mean, I knew you guys were fans, but you are clearly in the realm of being a sycophant. It&#8217;s quite pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: K Douglas</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-22020</link>
		<dc:creator>K Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think that the nats would get it right on Tax Cuts (they&#039;ve had 3 years to work on the lines) it&#039;s their only policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think that the nats would get it right on Tax Cuts (they&#8217;ve had 3 years to work on the lines) it&#8217;s their only policy.</p>
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		<title>By: infused</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-22018</link>
		<dc:creator>infused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no problem with borrowing. Labour will have to do it as well. You guys are trying to make a deal of any little thing you can now huh? It&#039;s quite funny to watch. It&#039;s like you&#039;re sitting there with your eyes held open.

captcha: newsmen right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no problem with borrowing. Labour will have to do it as well. You guys are trying to make a deal of any little thing you can now huh? It&#8217;s quite funny to watch. It&#8217;s like you&#8217;re sitting there with your eyes held open.</p>
<p>captcha: newsmen right</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-22009</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>indeed IB, many many better ways to do it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>indeed IB, many many better ways to do it</p>
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		<title>By: IrishBill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/no-he-meant-infrastructure-he-really-really-did/comment-page-1/#comment-22004</link>
		<dc:creator>IrishBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horis, I agree with you about discussion of policies but not about this being a strategic leak. There is no way English would brook the embarrassment of this error just to leak policy, especially when there are dozens of cleaner ways to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horis, I agree with you about discussion of policies but not about this being a strategic leak. There is no way English would brook the embarrassment of this error just to leak policy, especially when there are dozens of cleaner ways to do it.</p>
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