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Note to Media – check your facts.

Written By: - Date published: 12:55 pm, January 29th, 2014 - 202 comments
Categories: labour, Media - Tags: , ,

Sometimes I despair for our media. I mean, the latest parroting of Key’s line on Best Start is the stuff of black comedy.

Apparently Key’s claiming David Cunliffe misled people about eligibility because they don’t get the payment while they also get paid parental leave. And the media are trumpeting it all over the place.

The problem is the so-called hidden information is actually right there on the first page of the factsheet Labour put up on line when policy was announced:

For families receiving Paid Parental Leave, entitlement to the Best Start Payment will commence at the end of the household’s time using Paid Parental Leave.

If that’s a hidden agenda then Labour needs to get a lot more sneaky. Or maybe journlists just need to check the facts before they put Key’s lies to print.

202 comments on “Note to Media – check your facts.”

  1. Lanthanide 1

    Reposting my comment 1.1.2 from the “On Best Start” thread:

    “As if it wasn’t very clear yesterday, on Labour’s FAQ Best Start page”

    It might have been very clear on their FAQ. But it was NOT clear from Cunliffe’s speech.

    It would not have taken much to mention it: announce paid parental leave first, then add the $60 payment for those not receiving paid parental leave.

    Simple. But he didn’t do it.

    Yes, the media are way over-reacting, but the point is, Cunliffe gave them an opening.

    I have to say, I myself was slightly surprised when I found out that the $60 only started *after* you came off the 26 weeks paid parental leave. Cunliffe really should have made this clear in his speech.

    Also in follow-up interviews he has literally said you’ll get $60 a week for the first year of your babies life if your household earns under $150k pa, without hinting at any other conditions or qualifications. He said exactly this on Campbell Live’s segment on Monday night – I was specifically noting what he said to see if he’d mention the 26 weeks paid leave or not, and he didn’t.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1

      The “point” is that the media are reporting Key’s lie as something other than “Prime Minister caught lying, playing politics”.

      No amount of message tailoring is going to be enough to cut through that level of bias.

      • Lanthanide 1.1.1

        Cunliffe has presented the policy on several occasions as being $60 a week while your child is under 1 year of age and you earn less than $150k.

        That’s not actually what the policy is. Key is *not* lying when he says that that is how Cunliffe portrayed it.

        It’s unfortunate that the media are buying into and repeating his message, though.

        • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 1.1.1.1

          Labour Party inept at communications, in other news sky found to be blue.

        • weka 1.1.1.2

          “It’s unfortunate that the media are buying into and repeating his message, though.”

          Sorry Lanth, but if the media had been doing their fucking job, they would have read the Labour policy document within an hour of his speech and then the rest of the day would have covered the salient points, including things like PPL.

          Look at what happened on ts. We all read/listened to the speech, then read the actual policy and proceeded to discuss it in context. How fucking hard would that be for the media to do as well?

          • Lanthanide 1.1.1.2.1

            SPC’s comment below says this:

            “Claire Trevett ‏@CTrevettNZH
            the fact sheets handed out to reporters at the speech were not the fact sheets that contained the PPL bit.”

            • weka 1.1.1.2.1.1

              Have you seen a copy and compared it to the one online?

              How hard would it be for journalists to fact check? It looks like Labour may have made a mistake here, but if the media had done their job properly, they wouldn’t now have a story to beat Labour with. Oh wait…

              • greywarbler

                Don’t make excuses weka. It’s not the job of the media to decide Labour’s policy for them, it is Labour’s to explain it TO them, simply as to a little child. No crappy she’ll be right when you launch a policy, or the boat might go down if the holes are under the waterline.

                I have just been reading Terry Pratchett’s Jingo about playing politics in cunning ways. Wish I could have him for PM. Even with a touch of al. (the word that shall not be said) he would do as well as our strategists.

                • weka

                  Do you think Labour deliberately misled the media/public or do you think they were sloppy and ill-prepared?

                  • greywarbler

                    I said –
                    1 It’s not the job of the media to decide Labour’s policy.
                    2 It is Labour’s job to explain it to them very clearly.
                    3 It is not enough to be a bit casual about explaining to the media when you
                    launch a policy.
                    4 If the job is done imperfectly the result is likely to be unsuccessful outcomes.
                    5 Labour has to be careful and cunning about their strategies, or they will get out-maneouvred and I have seen good ideas in a book I have read, the author of which could teach them a thing or two.
                    Is that clear enough Weka.

                    • weka

                      I understood you well enough the first time. Is there a reason you don’t want to answer my question?

                    • greywarbler

                      Well I didn’t see the necessity for it but if you are playing headmistress of the thread, I will answer exactly so there is no doubt in even the most confused mind.
                      Do you think Labour deliberately misled the media/public or do you think they were sloppy and ill-prepared?

                      I think that Labour was ill-prepared as they did not specify exactly when, to whom and for how long etc that the allowance was to be paid to mothers.
                      So I think that was sloppy to use your word.

                      No I do not believe that Labour deliberately misled the media or public, but David Cunliffe did cause confusion and misunderstanding by not spelling out the exceptions and the entitlements fully, so leaving room for misinformation to be bandied about.

                    • weka

                      Thanks.

          • alwyn 1.1.1.2.2

            Perhaps it would have been a good idea for Cunliffe to have read the policy. Then he would have been able to explain it fully instead of leaving bits out.
            How can he possibly complain if he leaves out things about the scheme and then complains when Key points out that he has done so?

            • weka 1.1.1.2.2.1

              Fuck off alwyn. If you think that Cunliffe hasn’t been involved in developing the policy and hasn’t read it, then you’re an imbecile and shouldn’t be commenting here.

              • QoT

                alwyn’s previous line was that Cunliffe wouldn’t even have any input into the speech. Or that there wouldn’t be a speech. alwyn is clearly a deliberate, purposeful derailer.

                • alwyn

                  I gather that Cunliffe has admitted, in the Herald, that he was wrong in what he said in his speech, and blames it on the speechwriter. This is basically an admission that he didn’t understand the policy. It says that I rely on my speechwriter to know what the facts are, and I regurgitate them.
                  After all, we are expected to believe that DC knew the policy detail, read through the draft speech carefully, and never realised that what he was going to say was, at best, misleading and at worst was a flat out lie. “I relied on my speechwriter” is the basis of his defence.
                  I admit I am assuming that he read the speech carefully. It is one of the most important he is ever going to make and I hope he didn’t just pick it up and immediately blurt it out.

      • Tom Gould 1.1.2

        Frankly, I am really getting sick and tired of the MSM and the political media in particular behaving like they work for the Key’s 9th floor media spin unit. Any shred of actually ‘journalism’ has been abandoned in the headlong rush to get Key a third term. It is sickening to see how our democracy has been so completely corrupted.

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.1.2.1

          +1 Tom Gould

        • Richard McGrath 1.1.2.2

          Interesting that the minute Cunliffe screws up, and the media report it, they are suddenly confirmed as National Party stooges…

          • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.1.2.2.1

            We’ve been watching the media barely bat an eyelid on JK’s countless screw-ups – the response re Cunliffe’s speech was well over the top in comparison. Please just go back to sleep Richard McGrath

    • ghostwhowalksnz 1.2

      Then they would have claimed there was something else that ‘wasnt clear’.

      John Key would have walked into his media office and said

      ‘ Find me more than 6 different problems real of imaginary with First start and make it snappy’

      These will be drip fed out to lazy journos like Gower – and others over the next week

      • Lanthanide 1.2.1

        Yes, quite possibly, but I don’t know what else you’d pick on in this policy.

        Let’s be fair here though: missing out on 50% of the claimed $60/week payment is actually quite a big discrepancy.

      • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 1.2.2

        It’s not that something “wasn’t clear”. Cunliffe and Labour have been caught out saying things that are simply not true. That’s not a lack of clarity, that’s lying.

        • Lanthanide 1.2.2.1

          For someone to be lying, they must have an intent to deceive.

          I don’t believe there was any intent here.

          Cunliffe left out salient, important information, but he didn’t lie.

          • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 1.2.2.1.1

            Labour publications on the Internet right now show the baby bonus and parental leave being available to parents simultaneously commencing at birth. The media have reported that. Labour has allowed the media to do so without correction while knowing that it’s not true.

            • KJT 1.2.2.1.1.1

              Like you get every detail of a policy in a speech.

              There were more than a few glaring gaps in Key’s education announcement too. Don’t see any media highlighting them.

            • weka 1.2.2.1.1.2

              Got a link SHG?

              • alwyn

                There is the press release here

                https://www.labour.org.nz/beststart

                It says “Labour will introduce 26 weeks of Paid Parental Leave, an increase from the current 14 weeks, in line with Sue Moroney’s Member’s Bill”
                and
                “$60 per week for a baby’s first year of life, universal for all family’s earning under $150,000 per year”

                In the press release there are no if’s, no buts and no maybes. “First year of life” and “universal” it says.

                There might be a qualification hidden deep in one of the many documents this one contains links to but I didn’t think you were allowed to put something in bold type and then avoid it by weasel words in the small print are you?
                This isn’t his speech by the way where it is possible to claim that the omission is forgiveable. This is an announcement on the Labour Party’s own website.

                • weka

                  “There might be a qualification hidden deep in one of the many documents this one contains links to”

                  Ah, another person who hasn’t bothered to look at the policy. It’s not like it is on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of The Leopard”. It’s on the very first page, one click from the page you just read, and that link is right at the bottom of the section on the Best Start payment.

                  I do think Labour have been remiss with this, and it’s not like this is the first time. And if you want to side with disingenuous, egotistical, ethically bankrupt journalists like Gower go ahead. Myself, I prefer to educate myself and make an effort to understand what is going on.

                  • alwyn

                    Well so it is! I wonder what is in all the other links? Why should I have to check everything rather than rely on the main document? Why can’t I rely on politicians not to prevaricate?

                    I think that, if this release from the Labour party was considered as being an ad, any material that it linked to could fairly be equated to the fine print of the ad, or as a small notice inside the store.
                    The consumer web-site has some material on the Fair Trading Act. It says

                    “Telling a story in fine print at the bottom of the ad, or by way of a small notice inside a store won’t save an ad from breaking the Fair Trading Act. As a general rule, fine print can elaborate on the main selling message but should not be used to contradict it”.

                    I see why the politicians made themselves exempt from the Fair Trading Act. A lot of them would be in very big trouble wouldn’t they?

                    • weka

                      The policy document IS the main document.

                      They made a mistake alwyn. It’s obvious that they’re not trying to hide anything.

                    • alwyn

                      Ok. Now if I can just check the rules?

                      When Key makes a slip of the tongue, or there is a typo or a word left out of a document it is because he is lying. This rule applies even when he is clearly telling the truth.

                      When Cunliffe makes a mistake and leaves something out it is only a mistake because we all know that Cunliffe never tries to hide anything. This rule is true even when he is clearly lying.

                      To hell with it. It is far to nice an evening in Wellington to bother sitting in front of a computer screen. That statement is true. It has been lovely weather today.

                    • McFlock

                      When Key makes a slip of the tongue, or there is a typo or a word left out of a document it is because he is lying. This rule applies even when he is clearly telling the truth.

                      Which cases in Blip’s list of dunnokeyo’s lying do you think that summary applies to, Alwyn?

                    • weka

                      It says alot alwyn that you can’t tell the difference between a mistake and lying.

                      When Key makes a slip of the tongue, or there is a typo or a word left out of a document it is because he is lying. This rule applies even when he is clearly telling the truth.

                      When Cunliffe makes a mistake and leaves something out it is only a mistake because we all know that Cunliffe never tries to hide anything. This rule is true even when he is clearly lying.

                      That’s about how you see things. I don’t see it that way, which begs the question of why you would post that in reply to me.

                    • alwyn

                      @McFlock. I was going to put, as an example, the comment about working for families.
                      I suppose if I do so you will tell me it doesn’t form part of the class I was talking about as there is no typo, nor slip of the tongue.
                      It isn’t a lie though, which Blip claims. Now you tell me why you think it is a lie?

                    • McFlock

                      Blip’s list:

                      we are not going to cut working for families

                      .
                      Linked to this page here.

                      Contrast with this news report re:2011 budget, wich was found in a5 second google search. Headline “Thousands affected by Working For Families cuts”.

                      Do you see why some folk might think that dunnokeyo’s statement did not match reality? Hence why it might be a “lie”, especially as his promise was in a carefully crafted speech and media release?

                    • alwyn

                      McFlock at 9.42am
                      The statement by Key was in July 2008, before the 2008 election. It was, like the decision not to sell shares in the SOEs a statement of what the National Government would do in its 2008-2011 term if they were elected. They did NOT make changes to WFF before the 2011 election.
                      Before the 2011 election they announced their policy for the next term and, in some cases, made changes to laws that would take place only after that election, if they were re-elected. If they hadn’t been reelected there was plenty of time for a new Government to reverse them.
                      Key’s promises prior to the 2008 were always predicated on being for that term. The only promise he has made that is to apply to his whole time as PM was the one on the age for National Super. Thus Key did not lie about WFF.
                      If you think that this is a lie would you accept that Cunliffe is a liar, because at the 2011 election he campaigned on removing GST from food? Now he says he isn’t going to do so. He must, by your reasoning, have been lying in 2011, mustn’t he?

                    • McFlock

                      This is the fruit you choose to pick out of blips entire tree? A semantic argument that making changes in the 2011 budget does not count as making changes before the 2011 election (as if that was even a qualifier in the original statement, which was part of their labourlite campaign of lies) because the changes wouldn’t impact until after the 2011 election.

                      And even then you can’t tell the difference between not being in a position to backtrack on your promises (because, news flash, they lost the election) and making the promise in order to get into government only to backtrack on it while in that term of government?

                      And no, “the next government could reverse it if they wanted” does not count as “telling the truth”.

                      It’s an interesting argument, I grant you, but you’re still just rolling a turd in glitter and trying to sell me a diamond. It sure doesn’t come close to honesty.

                    • alwyn

                      @McFlock.
                      When I read the comment I was trying to reply to I thought you had put the singular “case”, not the plural “cases” you had actually typed. I was therefore only giving an example.
                      I assure you I have much better things to do than go right through that list showing the flaws in all of them.
                      The truth about the one I did list is that no changes were made that affected what anyone got during the first term, as they promised, and they gave notice of changes that were going to take effect in their second term. If people didn’t really like them they didn’t have to vote for him did they?

                    • McFlock

                      Ah, so there might be actual cases in blips list where key did not in fact lie, mislead, or utter an untruth, but you’re too cool to bovver.

                      I’d like it if you showed an actual flaw in any of them, as in something that you don’t need to squint at sideways in order to argue that our prime minister made a “slip of the tongue” rather than it being clearly obvious to all that he’s an habitual lying prick.

                    • McFlock

                      The truth about the one I did list is that no changes were made that affected what anyone got during the first term, as they promised, and they gave notice of changes that were going to take effect in their second term.

                      See the bit you have to add in order to pretend that LabourLite wasn’t an outright lie?

                      If people didn’t really like them they didn’t have to vote for him did they?

                      Hey – partners go back to their abusive spouses, too. That doesn’t mean that they weren’t lied to.

    • geoff 1.3

      Cunliffe really should have made this clear in his speech.

      Yeah the problem is Cunliffe not pointing out the detail in a broad speech, not National making shit up about Labour :roll:

      Hey I get to use that eye rolley thing twice on you today, Lanth.

      Or are deliberately trying to derail the discussion?

      • Lanthanide 1.3.1

        Maybe you didn’t read everything in my comment, so I’ll post it here again for you.

        It would not have taken much to mention it: announce paid parental leave first, then add the $60 payment for those not receiving paid parental leave.

        Simple. But he didn’t do it.

        Knocking out 50% of the claimed $60/week payment is a *significant* discrepancy.

        I’m not expecting Cunliffe to detail absolutely everything in his speech, but this is a point that should have been mentioned.

        • geoff 1.3.1.1

          So says….the pedant.

          Derailing the discussion with pedantry is still derailing the discussion.

          • Lanthanide 1.3.1.1.1

            It’s not pedantry.

            Cunliffe factually did not mention, on several occasions including the initial unveiling speech, that the $60 payment is not made to those who are on parental leave. The speech was plenty long enough already that claiming he couldn’t fit these little but important details in was impossible is rather disingenuous.

            Whether this is an important point or not does not change the *fact* that on numerous occasions, Cunliffe did not make this clear.

            Now, I think it is an important point, and he should have said it; but on the flipside the media shouldn’t be buying into Key’s spin and repeating it ad-nauseam. This should be little more than a footnote in the discussion of the policy.

            However this is another learning point for Labour. They need to get better at communications. First thing to do is to say “how will National attack this?” and then make adjustments until there are no obvious attack points left and they have rebuttals for anything that needs rebutting.

            • geoff 1.3.1.1.1.1

              So you think Patrick Gower’s reporting was good?

              You thought John Key’s lines on Tv3 this morning were fair enough?

              • Lanthanide

                Once again, I shall repeat a part of my comment because it appears you didn’t actually read it.

                Now, I think it is an important point, and he should have said it; but on the flipside the media shouldn’t be buying into Key’s spin and repeating it ad-nauseam. This should be little more than a footnote in the discussion of the policy.

                Instead of imaging what my position might be, try actually reading the comment to see if my position is already stated.

  2. shorts 2

    quite a number of people taking Gower to task over this on twitter – which is good but unfortunately few will see it

  3. Andrew 3

    There would seem to be some confusion regarding the info-graphic that Jacinda Ardern has put out, where it clearly shows that the “best start” payment starts from birth.

    best start info-graphic

    It clearly states that the $60 payment is for the first year of the child’s life. Nowhere does it mention after 26 weeks paid parental leave.

    • BM 3.1

      Yes, that’s a bit misleading, jeez what a balls up

      • Tracey 3.1.1

        And key should know misleading… he wrote the book aye bm

        Which schools are getting the super principals and when bm?

    • DJ 3.2

      In other words no one has a fucking clue what is going on. Oh dear!

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 3.3

      That Labour infographic clearly and unambiguously shows paid parental leave and the “Best Start” allowance occurring simultaneously.

      Muppets.

  4. SPC 4

    This is an opportunity to state the reasons why the $60 payment is universal in the first year

    1. the parental leave payment is universal
    2. most families do not get parental leave

    • Lanthanide 4.1

      The $60 payment isn’t universal.

      • SPC 4.1.1

        Lanthanide, the parental leave payment is universal because all those working at the time get it (most mothers are not working at the time they get pregnant).

        Universal means no means test. But note universal tax credits do not go to those who get parental leave now. This $60 payment for the first year is now in that category.

      • geoff 4.1.2

        more pedantry from Lanth.

        • Lanthanide 4.1.2.1

          Well hey, if you want to live in a world where the details don’t matter and people can just say whatever and get away with it, then I guess you enjoy being under a National government that promises 170,000 new jobs are coming just around the corner.

  5. fisiani 5

    Another own goal by Labour. Jeez I thought Shearer was useless. The Cunliffe said it would be for the first year of life. No ifs and no buts other than not for the uber-rich. What a PR disaster. Slippery Cunliffe. How many more lies will he tell?

  6. SPC 6

    Zetitic, the issue has been discussed on twitter.

    I got his from a post over on kiwiblog.

    Pete George (20,736 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
    There’s been a lot of debate about this on Twitter, with claims and counterclaims. It seems to have been clarified.

    @patrickgowernz

    Labour dishonest on baby bonus. Blog:http://www.3news.co.nz/Opinion-Labour-dishonest-on-baby-bonus/tabid/1382/articleID/330156/Default.aspx#.UuguycjrLVw.twitter … Labour deliberately misled voters by omission of key details

    Keith Ng ‏@keith_ng
    Gower should’ve read the fact sheet. Cunliffe should’ve been clearer about all the exceptions. These facts are not contradictory.

    Tim Watkin ‏@Tim_Watkin
    But Gower did read the fact sheet and is now reporting a contradiction found therein.

    Keith Ng ‏@keith_ng
    Amendment: Gower should’ve read the fact sheet prior to filing the story. He had five goddamn hours.

    Claire Trevett ‏@CTrevettNZH
    the fact sheets handed out to reporters at the speech were not the fact sheets that contained the PPL bit.

    Keith Ng ‏@keith_ng
    Oh. Fuck. Withdrawn with apologies to @patrickgowernz then.

    It seems that fact sheets handed out at the speech had less facts than the fact sheet that could be found online.

    • geoff 6.1

      Yeah I’m sure the mistake by Labour was deliberate.
      Oh no, it wasn’t. It was a mistake.
      What was deliberate? Key trying to smear the policy by telling lies, again!

      Key the lying liar just cant stop telling lies.

      I love the reaction this policy is getting from the wingnuts. When all those swing-voting, young mums realise that Labour is going to help them out, National….are…fucked. Hee hee its going to be fantastic.

      • TightyRighty 6.1.1

        100% deliberate. All the authorised info graphics show that that’s it was intended to be understood by the average punter to combine PPL and BS (like that?) from when the baby is born.

  7. fisiani 7

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Opinion-Labour-dishonest-on-baby-bonus/tabid/1382/articleID/330156/Default.aspx

    Read it and weep. Total dishonesty from The Cunliffe. Found out to be lying.
    How many heard or read his speech and guessed that the bribe was only half what he promised.

    • SPC 7.1

      You and some journalists seem unaware that those receiving parental leave now do not get universal tax credits at the same time – this would apply to the $60 payment as well.

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 7.2

      Jesus, what a cockup. Just when you think Labour couldn’t possibly get any more incompetent at articulating a message, they come along and prove you wrong.

    • McFlock 7.3

      damn, gower’s throwing a major tanty.

      What the fuck is he, three?

    • mickysavage 7.4

      I am not sure about the utility of responding to Fisi and thinking that he will change his mind but the speech was a generalised statement of the policy, the information released at the time had more detail. Instead of reading out 40 pages of technical material David gave a generalised description. This is not a lie.

      • Lanthanide 7.4.1

        But it wouldn’t have taken him more than a sentence or two to indicate a very important point, that you only get the $60/week payment after the parental leave entitlement has run out.

        He SHOULD have said it.

        • mickysavage 7.4.1.1

          Gee Lanth

          Key announces a $360 mil spend with absolutely no details apart from the number of teachers getting extra pay and their designation and everyone celebrates. Labour comes out with some really detailed policy and some sloppiness in the language for the associated speech is used to attack the policy.

          It is a proposal at this stage. It is not finalised. Of course there needs to be work done in fleshing it out.

          • geoff 7.4.1.1.1

            +1 Mickey

          • emergency mike 7.4.1.1.2

            That’s the issue for me to ms, Key announces a big spend on vaguely defined ‘lead’ ‘expert’ and ‘change’ teachers and the media calls it a winner without pointing out the lack of any meaningful details or evidence that this will do anything to help education.

            Meanwhile Labour announces a detailed solid proposal and Gower has a tantrum because the fine print wasn’t communicated perfectly.

            I don’t see many new parents getting too outraged about missing out on $60 a week if they are getting paid parental leave. Buy hey Paddy, don’t let that stop you howling to the moon.

            • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 7.4.1.1.2.1

              “I don’t see many new parents getting too outraged about missing out on $60 a week if they are getting paid parental leave.”

              +100

          • Lanthanide 7.4.1.1.3

            “It is a proposal at this stage. It is not finalised. Of course there needs to be work done in fleshing it out.”

            But it HAS been fleshed out. Cunliffe just neglected to convey the details that have already been decided.

            • Colonial Viper 7.4.1.1.3.1

              You really are such a “could have, should have.” The real story is of course the blatantly unequal treatment given to Key’s teacher spend up and then to Cunliffe, as MS points out.

              And I would point out that you are doing exactly the same.

              • Lanthanide

                Actually there are a quite a few people in this thread defending Cunliffe and Labour.

                They should not be defending them, because they did screw up, and they should know better.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Nah screw you mate.

                  The point I made about your completely unequal and hypocritical treatment of Cunliffe’s and Key’s recent announcement stands.

                  Did Cunliffe fail to make certain details clear in his speech? Yes. That’s clear. But it was a leadership speech and not a policy bureaucrats’ monologue. The detail was there and it was available on the day.

                  It’s not a fucking hanging offence, and why you are judging how serious a “screw up” it is by Patrick Gower’s and the rest of the MSM’s bullshit hyperbole is beyond me.

                  • Lanthanide

                    It’s not a fucking hanging offence, and why you are judging how serious a “screw up” it is by Patrick Gower’s and the rest of the MSM’s bullshit hyperbole is beyond me.

                    Good, because I never said it was a hanging offense, nor am I judging it by what Gower or the MSM are saying. Here’s a snip from one of my comments earlier in this thread:

                    Now, I think it is an important point, and he should have said it; but on the flipside the media shouldn’t be buying into Key’s spin and repeating it ad-nauseam. This should be little more than a footnote in the discussion of the policy.

                    Once again, it is not like this was a difficult thing to slip into his long speech. Nor was it a minor policy point that was correct to leave out – we’re literally talking about slashing the much-touted payment by 50%. That’s a big deal.

                    Also not sure how I’m being hypocritical about Key’s speech. Did Key gloss over very important details that were pointed out by accompanying written policy notes? Or did they simply not have any written policy notes at all, therefore making your comparison completely specious?

                    Many many times we have right-wing nutjobs coming on here trying to say how what Key/National did is the same as what Shearer/Labour/whoever did and how we’re being hypocritical, and we point out that actually the situations are different in significant respects to make their claims baseless. It seems you’re trying to do the same here, conflating Key’s SoN speech to Cunliffe’s when really the situations are different.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Dude, I’d be a great speech writer too if I could go back in time to the day before a speech is given armed with 20/20 vision of the media reaction.

                    • Markymark

                      + 1 Lanthide.

                    • Lanthanide

                      And yet in subsequent interviews he also failed to mention the PPL aspect of the policy. The printed material produced by Jacinda Ardern also implies that you get $60/week and that PPL isn’t taken into account. They gave out printed policy materials to journalists that failed to include all the relevant information.

                      This is not just about his speech. This is about their whole communications strategy around this policy that they bungled.

                      It would have been *very simple* for Cunliffe to have addressed this in the speech. Introduce the 26 weeks PPL *first*, and then after mentioning the $60/week payment, say that it kicks in after any PPL has finished. Simple. Easy. Not confusing. On-message. You don’t need a time-machine or 20/20 hindsight to do this.

                      At my work I am highly regarded as being able to write clear, comprehensive (although not always concise) descriptions of software issues and proposed solutions, as well as document existing software designs. Part of the approach I take is to think to myself “what are the important points that need to be presented, and what order do they need to go in”. So it is not rocket surgery for me to see how this speech should have been written with regards to this policy, and how I would have written it – and this is *not* hindsight speaking. The 50% reduction in payments is a big oversight to leave out of the speech.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Good suggestions and a clear structure. It is a worry that an opportunity to deliver things better was missed.

                      Nevertheless Cunliffe’s machine is new, the MSM think that THEY are the news, and there’s going to be bugs and a steep learning curve. Move on.

                    • weka

                      “Good, because I never said it was a hanging offense, nor am I judging it by what Gower or the MSM are saying. Here’s a snip from one of my comments earlier in this thread:

                      Now, I think it is an important point, and he should have said it; but on the flipside the media shouldn’t be buying into Key’s spin and repeating it ad-nauseam. This should be little more than a footnote in the discussion of the policy.”

                      Thing is Lanth, your emphasis says different than your words. You focus alot of attention on the fuck up and then you claim that the media should treat it as a footnote, when you are making it the main menu yourself. It’s not the first time you have done this with an issue, but I’m not sure if you are aware of it. It makes sense that people would react to the presentation.

                      fwiw, I’m defending Labour against the idea they intentionally misled the media and that Cunfliffe lied. Which is annoying because I’d much rather be criticising them for the blunder. Nevertheless, it’s a good policy and deserves more attention paid to that than the mistake.

                    • Lanthanide

                      I belabour issues to get my specific point across, weka, which in turn distorts how people perceive what it is that I’m saying because they think I’m getting overly worked up over the issue (or something). Actually I’m just trying to be precise – see what I said above about writing clear and comprehensive, although not always concise, descriptions of issues?

                      Not much I feel I can really do it about it. I say enough to ensure I get my point across. If I said less I wouldn’t feel like I’d made my point adequately.

                      fwiw, I’m defending Labour against the idea they intentionally misled the media and that Cunfliffe lied. Which is annoying because I’d much rather be criticising them for the blunder. Nevertheless, it’s a good policy and deserves more attention paid to that than the mistake.

                      Completely agree. I have also defended Labour about it not being a deliberate attempt to mislead anyone. I have also criticised them for the blunder, obviously.

                      One thing I have noticed is that Joyce’s immediate “where’s the money coming from” line is no longer getting any air time, which is good.

                    • felix

                      “I belabour issues to get my specific point across”

                      :D

        • Tracey 7.4.2.1

          Which schools are getting the super principals and when?

          • fender 7.4.2.1.1

            To qualify one must send pic of completed voting form to Nat HQ on voting day..

            • Anne 7.4.2.1.1.1

              One must also send a dentist’s certificate confirming teeth are laser white and even. This is a prerequisite for anyone associated with the National Party (not just MPs) and includes super-teacher principals.

            • felix 7.4.2.1.1.2

              Bill nailed it. Any teacher/principal who uncritically endorsed National Standards and was happy to “teach the test” will be given the authority to whip the others into submission.

  8. Sabine Ford 8

    Note to Labour,

    the Media is not your friend. The media will be your friend maybe, once you have won and/or paid them off. Repeat, Rinse, Repeat and finally accept it.

    Note to Cunliffe,

    you can not abolish child hood poverty while ignoring the poor Parents or Parents to be. Raise the minimum wage for a starter. For all that are working the minimum wage….not just those with children. And when presenting policies that might be a bit harder to understand than ‘raise the minimum wage’ speak clearly, pronounce properly and leave nothing out.

    I am quite frankly sick and tired to see the Taxes subsidize Corporations that only pay minimum wage. Because this is what we are doing.

    Oh, and another way to combat childhood poverty….Jobs, for all those unemployed and underemployed. Full Time Jobs that pay at least 15$ minimum wage.

    Now that is something even the laziest Journo would understand.

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      An immediate increase to $15/hr minimum wage has already been well signalled by Cunliffe and the detail didn’t need to be in the speech again.

  9. captain hook 9

    Whata lot of tripe from fissiwho. Puting words in peoples mouth is the same as lying and you should be ashamed of yourself.
    David Cunliffe is trying to do something for the most underprivileged people in new zealand and all you can do is poormouth. Shame on you.
    and as fo rhte media they are too cute for words.
    last night on TV1 when they were doing a cringing apology for Whale Boil they had a piccy of len brown on whale boils monitor.
    The msm seem to be getting as sleazy as that monster.

  10. Mickey 10

    Yep another cluster f#@k from Cunliffe, and now Clarks ban facebook gaffe, it gets better and better.
    How can anyone trust these clowns to run the country.

    • greywarbler 10.1

      Mickey, short for mickey mouse? Clowns have to be funny to stay in their jobs. Politicians aren’t asked to be funny and neither are commenters who come here. Not even calling yourself mickey is amusing. If you want to stay, and be funny, earn your stripes as you have to be funnier than that. I suggest you go back to the circus and practise your gymnastics and Cirque du Soleil or whoever may snap you up.

    • Colonial Viper 10.2

      Yet you trust John Key, a guy who cant remember what he had for breakfast. Or deliberately lies about not remembering.

      • the pigman 10.2.1

        Give Keys a break, he just hasn’t read what’s in the report about him lying yet. Nor spoken to himself about his alleged lying yet. And eckshully he probably doesn’t need to have that conversation because he is ruhlexed and has full confidence in himself.

  11. Rodel 11

    Lot of women don’t get paid parental leave. They will benefit immediately.
    Women who do get parental leave, will benefit when it’s needed.
    Simple as that. Wonder what part of that don’t the desperate Tories understand?
    Desperate arguments by our right wingers sound like the spin of Hannity and O’reilly on F** news.

  12. SPC 12

    The issue

    Cunliffe said that the 60,000 families that had a child each year would benefit from the near universal (to $150,000 pa – it should have been universal) roll out in year one.

    TV3 journo’s were first wondering if the $150,000 income was that including both incomes before the child birth or after, looking for the detail.

    Then looking into the matter of whether the $25,000 pa rate parental leave payment as factored in after the child’s birth (thus $150,000 to $125,000 other partner and investment income).

    But before they got answers to these questions Cunliffe left the “press conference”.

    The difference between the two fact sheets, the one on-line had more detail than the one given to journalists must have wound them up a little more.

    Journo’s were trying to do their jobs and this was an inconvenience – but the reaction to infer that they had been deliberately mislead was a little spiteful and unprofessional. It is a claim made without any evidence.

    • mickysavage 12.1

      The real issue is that this is a first go at the formulation of policy in a complicated area.

      On one hand Labour is being criticised for it being too generous so that a family previously earning more than $150k per year may qualify and on the other hand they are being criticised for being not generous enough. Swings and roundabouts SPK …

  13. George D 13

    Cunliffe and his team screwed this up.

    Among the most important rules of politics is that you must be able to explain the policy to a six-year old (or have very good reasons why this is not the case). When it is a headline policy to start your election year, this should be doubly so.

    tl;dr – what Lanthanide said.

    • weka 13.1

      Yes, they screwed up. Do you think they lied and deliberately misled the media and the public?

      • Michael S 13.1.1

        Yes. I believe he deliberately tried to mislead. If he didn’t it means he did not understand the policy.
        He said today he wasn’t responsible for that section of the speech. But he must have read it before delivery, so why say it as written if he knew it was wrong.

        • mickysavage 13.1.1.1

          Welcome Michael. I do not believe you have commented before.

          What a stupid thing to say.

          Do you have any proof?

          And why?

          The policy is broadly in line with what was proposed.

  14. captain hook 14

    What a lot of crap from geroge d. A 6 year old cant read properly because national standards doesn’t work and they cant understand policy anyway.
    Stop repeating this nonsense.
    David Cunliffes plank is clear, plain and simple to understand.
    anyway back to the chase the media in New Zealand are chosen for their hair and teeth and not for their ability.
    and like most narcissists they are tinpot tories to boot.

  15. BLiP 15

    In a play straight out of the Crosby/Textor Manual of Dark Arts, John Key accuses his opponent of the very thing he himself is practising . . .

    Prime Minister John Key has launched a scathing attack on Labour leader David Cunliffe’s credibility, calling him “tricky” and questioning whether he’s been telling the public the truth . . .

    . . . meanwhile:

    John Key’s Big List Of Lies

    I promise to always be honest

    we are not going to sack public servants, the attrition rate will reduce costs

    there’s no way one in five New Zealanders will lose their jobs

    we are not going to cut working for families

    I firmly believe in climate change and always have

    We seek a 50% reduction in New Zealand’s carbon-equivalent net emissions, as compared to 1990 levels, by 2050. 50 by 50. We will write the target into law.

    National Ltd™ will provide a consistent incentive for both biofuel and biodiesel by exempting them from excise tax or road user charges

    I didn’t know about The Bretheren election tactics

    If they came to us now with that proposal [re trans-Tasman Therapeutic Goods regime], we will sign it

    I can’t remember my position on the 1981 Springbok Tour

    Tranzrail shares

    I did not mislead the House (1)

    Lord Ashcroft

    National Ltd™ would not have sent troops into Iraq

    Standard & Poors credit downgrade

    the double-down grade doesn’t really matter and its only about private sector debt

    I did not mislead the House (2)

    I didn’t say I want wages to drop

    I can’t remember why I voted against increasing the minimum wage

    lifting the minimum wage to $15 an hour will increase unemployment

    the real rate of inflation is 3.3 percent.

    the tourism sector has not lost 7,000 jobs

    no I have never heard of Whitechapel

    I won’t raise GST

    people who are on the average wage and have a child are $48 a week better off after the rise in GST

    the purchase of farmland, by overseas buyers will be limited to ten farms per purchase

    the Pike River Mine was consented to under a Labour Government

    no promises were made to get the remains of the miners out of the Pike River mine

    I did not provide a view on the safety of the Pike River coalmine

    I did not mislead the House (3)

    capping, not cutting the public service

    raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour will cost 6000 jobs

    north of $50 a week

    privatisation won’t significantly help the economy

    wave goodbye to higher taxes, not your loved ones

    I never offered Brash a diplomatic job in London

    Tariana Turia is “totally fine” with the Tuhoe Treaty Claim deal

    Kiwisaver

    National Ltd™ is not going to radically reorganise the structure of the public sector

    tax cuts won’t require additional borrowing

    New Zealand does not have a debt problem

    New Zealand troops in Afghanistan will only be involved in training, not fighting

    the wage gap between New Zealand and Australia has closed under my National Ltd™ government

    It took 9 years for Labour to make a complete and utter mess of the economy

    National Ltd™ has changed the Overseas Investment Act to include 19 different criteria

    the price of goods and services has risen by 6 percent since the last election, while the after-tax average wage has actually gone up by 16 percent

    no, although its a week ago and here I am being interviewed on television about them, I havn’t seen Gerry Brownlee’s comments regarding demolitions in Christchurch and which caused such outrage, but I can talk all about them

    our SAS soldiers were not involved in the Kabul Hotel gunfight

    the use of the Vela brother’s helicopter was required so I could attend meetings relating to national/international security concerns

    the DPS makes the decision about accompanying the Prime Minister or not, I had no choice but to take them on holiday to Hawaii

    I did not mislead the House (4)

    oh, maybe our SAS soldiers were in the Kabul hotel gun fight but they weren’t wounded by friendly fire

    New Zealand has lost $12 billion from GDP due to the Christchurch earthquake . . . oh, it might actually be around $15 billion from GDP due to the Christchurch earthquake . . . Blinglish said what?

    10,000 houses will have to be demolished in Christchurch due to the earthquake

    14,000 new apprentices will start training over the next five years, over and above the number previously forecast

    our amendments to the ETS ensure we will continue to do our fair share internationally

    we are committed to honouring our Kyoto Protocol obligations

    any changes to the ETS will be fiscally neutral

    New Zealand has grown for eight of the last nine quarters”

    National Ltd™ will tender out the government banking contract

    we will be back in surplus by 2014-15

    Nicky Hager’s book “Other People’s Wars” is a work of fiction

    unemployment is starting to fall

    we have created 60,000 jobs

    we have created 45,000 jobs

    the 2011 Budget will create in the order of 170,000 jobs

    I don’t know if I own a vineyard

    no, I did not mislead the House (5)

    the Isreali spy killed in the Christchurch quake had “only one” passport

    the Police will not need to make savings by losing jobs

    I voted to keep the drinking age at 20

    New Zealand is 100% Pure

    I’ve been prime minister for four years, and it’s really 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year

    baseball in New Zealand is attracting more government support

    the decision to buy brand new BMWs was made by the Department of Internal Affairs without reference either to their minister or to me

    I didn’t have a clue that Ministerial Services, which I am in charge of, was going to buy brand new BMWs

    even though four of my ministers knew all about it, I didn’t have a clue that brand new BMWs were being bought.

    even though my Chief of Staff met with officials to discuss purchase of the the brand new BMWs, I didn’t have a clue

    even though I personally signed papers discussing the matter, I still didn’t have a clue

    Labour forced us into buying the brand new BMWs, its their fault

    ummm, look, sorry about that BMW thing , it was because I was so upset

    I did not describe David Beckam as thick as batshit

    I did not mislead the House (6)

    the public demanded that we change the labour laws for The Hobbit

    “The Hobbit” created 3000 new jobs

    we have delivered 800 extra doctors in the public service

    I did not mislead the House (7)

    I wasn’t working at Elders when the sham foreign exchange deals took place

    I was starting School Certificate exams in 1978

    I don’t know who arrived on the CIA jet to visit the spies I am responsible for

    reducing barriers to property developers will increase the availability of affordable housing

    Labour left the economy in poor shape

    forecasts show unemployment will fall

    we have closed the wage gap with Australia by $27

    Ngati Porou and Whanau Apanui are not opposed to mining

    I have not had any meetings with Media Works

    our [NZ's] terms of trade remain high

    the TPPA is an example of democracy

    the TPPA will still have to be ratified by Parliament

    National Ltd™ will use the proceeds of state asset sales to invest in other public assets, like schools and hospitals

    New Zealand troops will be out of Afghanistan by April 2013

    overseas investment in New Zealand adds to what New Zealanders can invest on their own

    overseas investment in New Zealand creates jobs, boosts incomes, and helps the economy grow

    National Ltd™ will build 2000 houses over the next two years

    there are only 4 New Zealand SAS soldiers in Bamiyan and all working in the area of logistics and planning only

    selling state assets will give cash equity to those companies

    the Sky City deal will provide 1000 construction jobs and 800 casino jobs

    all five bidders for the convention centre were treated equally

    my office has had no correspondence, no discussions, no involvement with the Sky City deal

    I did not mislead the House (8)

    I can’t remember what was discussed at my meeting with the SkyCity Chief Executive on 14 May 2009

    I have no record of the 12 November 2009 email from Treasury advising that the SkyCity deal was dodgy and needed to be referred to the Auditor General

    there was nothing improper about the Sky City deal

    SkyCity will only get “a few more” pokie machines at the margins

    any changes to gambling regulations will be subject to a full public submission process

    Sky City has approached TVNZ about the purchase/use of government-owned land

    I did not mislead the House (9)

    this government has been very transparent about all its dealings with SkyCity

    I did not mislead the House (10)

    the Auditor General has fully vindicated National over the Sky City deal

    I did not mislead the House (11)

    the Deputy Auditor General supports the view that there was nothing inappropriate about the Sky City deal

    I did not mislead the House (12)

    I did not breach the confidentiality of the Auditor General’s Report into the Sky City deal

    the Labour Government did exactly the same sort of deal back in 2001

    Labour has promised to not revoke the Sky City legislation

    there’s a 50/50 chance the Hobbit is going off shore unless we do something

    David Shearer has signed up for the purchase of shares in Mighty River

    Solid Energy asked the government for a $1 billion capital investment

    fracking has been going safely on in Taranaki for the past 30 years without any issues

    no frontline positions will be lost at DOC

    Iain Rennie came to me and recommended Fletcher for the GCSB job

    I told Cabinet that I knew Ian Fletcher

    I forgot that after I scrapped the shortlist for GCSB job I phoned a life-long friend to tell him to apply for the position

    I told Iain Rennie I would contact Fletcher

    I haven’t seen Ian Fletcher in a long time.

    I did not mislead the House (13)

    I have no reason to doubt at this stage that Peter Dunne did not leak the GCSB report

    I called directory service to get Ian Fletcher’s number

    the new legislation narrows the scope of the GCSB

    the GCSB has been prevented from carrying out its functions because of the law governing its functions

    because the opposition is opposed the GCSB law ammendments, parliamentary urgency is required

    the increasing number of cyber intrusions which I can’t detail or discuss prove that the GCSB laws need to be extended to protect prive enterprise

    it was always the intent of the GCSB Act to be able to spy on New Zealanders on behalf of the SIS and police

    National Ltd™ is not explanding the activities of the GCSB with this new law

    cyber terrorists have attempted to gain access to information about weapons of mass destruction held on New Zealand computers

    the law which says the GCSB cannot spy on New Zealanders is not clear

    it totally incorrect that the Government effectively through GCSB will be able to wholesale spy on New Zealanders

    we self identified that there was a problem with the GCSB spying on Kim Dotcom

    the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was an isolated incident

    The advice I have had in 4 years as a Minister is that in no way ever has there been an indication of unlawful spying

    the Ministerial Warrant signed by Bill English did not cover anything up

    first I heard I heard about Kim Dotcom was on 19 January 2012

    first I heard about the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was in 17 September

    I did not mislead the House (14)

    I won’t be discussing Kim Dotcom during my Hollywood visit.

    The Human Rights Commission couldn’t get its submission on the GCSB legislation in on time.

    it would cost too much to for the police and SIS to carry out the spying on New Zealanders that this new legislation will permit

    critics of the GCSB legislation, including the Law Society, the Human Rights Commission, and the Privacy Commission, are all uninformed

    no, I did not mislead the House (15)

    I do not know how Mr Henry is conducting the Enquiry

    no, I did not mislead the House (16)

    the Henry Enquiry had permission to view Ministers’ emails

    no, I did not mislead the House (??)

    we do not spy on journalists

    the passing of phone records to the Henry Enquiry was an error on the part of a contractor

    I wasn’t aware that my own Chief of Staff was instructing Parliamentary Services to hand over information concerning journalist Andrea Vance

    National Ltd™ has never tried to impinge on the role of the media

    I had nothing to do with information on a journalist being handed over to the inquiry into the leaking of the GCSB report

    the terms of the enquiry made it clear to everyone that it was only the phone records of parliamentary staff and ministers that were to be provided

    I have the utmost respect for the media and the role it plays in New Zealand’s democracy

    the Henry Enquiry did not access a journalist’s building-access records

    the Henry Enquiry did not ask for phone and email records

    no, I did not mislead the House (17)

    the Greens are opposed to the GCSB and the SIS even existing

    the GCSB needs to spy on New Zealanders because there are al-Qaeda terrorists in New Zealand

    John Minto is in the Green Party

    the GCSB needs to spy on New Zealanders because of the terrorist threat, even though official reports released over my signature say there is no risk and the SIS has the matter in hand

    the GCSB Bill does not give the GCSB the power to look at the content of communications as part of its cyber-security functions

    no, I did not mislead the House (18)

    there will be no mining on Conservation land in the Corromendel

    no, I did not say we would follow the US and Australia into a war against North Korea

    New Zealand has an arrangement to have asylum seekers processed in Australian detention camps

    I did not mislead the house (19)

    I paid for that lunch and I’ve got the credit card bill to prove it

    I am honest and upfront

    the only way net new jobs can be created is by private investors putting their money into businesses in New Zealand

    you can’t hide if yuu’re Prime Minister

    an increase in the number of people looking for work indicates that confidence is returning to the economy

    the 10 percent of taxpayers in New Zealand who are the top earners pay 76 percent of all net personal tax.

    I did not mislead the House (20)

    the substantial wage growth under Labour was eroded by inflation

    National Ltd™’s 2010 tax changes were fiscally neutral

    I did not mislead the House (21)

    the bulk of New Zealanders earn between $45,000 and $75,000 a year

    Pike River Coal did not put profits and its production ahead of the safety and lives of those 29 workers.

    Radio Live had sought advice from the Electoral Commission about my show just before the election

    it is because of National Ltd™’s policies that the price of fresh fruit and vegetables has dropped.

    the length-of-the-country cycleway will create 4000 jobs.

    police training for next year has not been cancelled

    National Ltd™ has only cut back-office jobs in the health service

    The Crown’s dividend stream from the Meridians, the Mighty Rivers of the world is large and there is no motivation to sell assets; actually we’re about creating assets not selling assets.”

    National believes employment law should treat all parties fairly. It should . . . Protect employees and employers.

    I am not trying to tackle such issues in a “fearful” way ahead of the next election

    Wellington City is dying.

    National Ltd™ has been working on a number of things with New Zealand First on a number of things one of which has a financial component but I can’t talk about it

    the best way to get growth in the economy is to reduce public debt

    New Zealand mum and dad investors will be our number one priority in the allocation of Mighty River shares

    we won’t let “cowboy” oil exploration companies operate here in New Zealand

    the Green Party is racist by not allowing Chinese residents in New Zealand to buy a house

    the Labour Party is promising a four-bedroom house in Auckland for $300,000

    the food in schools programme is in the 2013 budget

    the meat exports are being held up in China because of issues in relation to the Chinese looking to trace counterfeit meat

    its notoriously difficult to win three elections in a row

    I am deeply concerned about every child in New Zealand who is in poverty

    there is no manufacturing crisis in New Zealand

    the government’s exposure to MediaWorks’ going into receivership is reasonably limited

    the money from the sale of state assets will not be used to prop up Solid Energy

    I don’t see a place for a Winston Peters-led New Zealand First in a government that I lead. It’s not a matter of political convenience, it’s a matter of political principle.

    The vast majority of the buildings in Christchurch came through the earthquakes in good shape

    the commemoration of New Zealand’s involvement in the Korean War will not be used to bolster trade talks

    third generation Chinese New Zealanders will be required to present their passport before buying a house under the Labour government

    the Labour housing policy is an attempt by David Shearer to save his leadership

    the Labour housing policy is in breach of free trade agreements

    only 2% of the proceeds of the sale of Mighty River will be spent on the sales process

    David Cunliffe is lying to you

    Labour wants to nationalise the super market industry

    The government will engage in no further negotiations with Rio Tinto

    Without a government subsidy of hundreds of millions of dollars Chorus will go broke

    No, I did not mislead the House (??)

    the justice system is already adequate for handling situations involving new evidence

    my Minister Nick Smith was not aware of the content of the leaked draft submission on the Ruataniwha situation until 17 September

    New Zealand First will nationalise a host of industries and businesses

    I have no responsibility for the statements I make

    Mark Mitchell was just gossiping at a cocktail party when he tipped Webster off about Len Brown’s affair

    it was a lack of external analysis and accountability which put Solid Energy into its debt crisis

    the Commerce Commission misinterpreted the law when deciding the price for access to the Chorus copper infrastructure

    no analyist predicted that the cost of access to the copper infrastructure would go down

    there has been only one problem with oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico

    If it was my vote, it would be no pay increases for Mps

    Greenpeace are just scare mongering about any oil leaks off the New Zealand coast

    For every election for the last five elections , we have had royal visitors to New Zealand.

    No decision has been made on the timing of the sale of Air New Zealand shares

    its not true that in New Zealand the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer

    This summer is the most active season ever for oil and gas exploration, with the industry spending up to $750 million. At the same time, the Government is strengthening the regulations that govern drilling, particularly in deep water.

    Labour is trying to mislead people about eligibility for Best Start because they don’t get the payment while they also get paid parental leave.

    • KJT 15.1

      Or. More simply put.

      “How do you know when Key is lying?

      His mouth is open…”

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 15.2

      tl; dr

      • McFlock 15.2.1

        too many syllables in the words, I guess.

        The nice thing about that list is that even reading a few of them demonstrates that dunnokeyo’s lying is many times more habitual than the entirety of labgrn combined.

    • geoff 15.3

      BOOM, and there it is. Nice one BliP, was hoping you might do that.

      Be great to mail that list out to all New Zealanders around election time.
      Wonder if we could rope the Brethrens in to help us?

      • freedom 15.3.1

        or
        maybe we crowd-source a basic and sporadic poster campaign and take Blip’s List to the people

        pretty sure the companies who do the paste ups would be ok with it, and we know then they are pretty safe, (although for the dedicated poster grabber they become instant collector items)

        they may even cut us a good $ deal too

        so to get Blip’s List public we need:

        ; the data – check

        ; Layout and formatting
        – I think i just saw a couple of dozen hands go up
        – perhaps they all put one together and we have Standardistas choose the preferred design
        – It would be good to print the links in full under each line
        – people will snap images of the poster with their phones so it is useful to include the info

        ; a call to Sticky Fingers to fix a contract price & terms
        – i think they cover paste ups for all the main centers now

        ; approximately a couple of grand for printing a whole bunch of posters,
        – I am guessing that price would be generously supported by the printers
        – posters can be printed in whatever center that they end up in so freight is not necessary

        seems pretty doable to me

        I pledge $20 here and now
        (which is 9% of my income this week)

        • geoff 15.3.1.1

          I love that concept!

          The font size of the lies on the list would have to be so small to fit on a poster that people would have to come nice and close to the poster to read it and that would help engage them.

          Have a nice big title and then the endless list of lies in tiny font underneath.

          You could have one of those new-fangled box shaped barcodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code) that people snap with their camera phones that takes them to a website with more info on the lies.

          Maybe a page title like, “We don’t care who you vote for, but for pete’s sake don’t vote for National!”

        • BLiP 15.3.1.2

          I’ll chuck in $50. Over the weekend I’ll have a look at that indie-gogo site and see what’s what. Perhaps we can rope lprent in to run the money side of things and maybe set aside a wee space on The Standard where people can link to. I don’t have a clue how those bar code thingywotsits work but it can’t be that tricky. I’ve been having some fun with with Gimp lately so I’ll also see if I can come up with a design for consideration. What say we catch up for a chat on Saturday’s “Open Mike” around 6pm-ish?

          • Colonial Viper 15.3.1.2.1

            I wonder if someone could do a Twitter account thing.

            2 or 3 times a day it tweets out some discrete element of the BS from Key, English or some other Cabinet member or their hatchet team.

            You’d probably want to start with a list of about 150 items and then build from there as the year went on.

            Would love to have that pretty boy’s disaster on Campbell Live linked to and tweeted out, for instance.

            I reckon we could get 10,000 followers by E-Day and a shit load of regular retweets out to 10x that number.

          • geoff 15.3.1.2.2

            Brilliant Blip!
            I can’t make it on Sat night but i can read the thread after the fact.
            This will be so cool if it can happen.

          • freedom 15.3.1.2.3

            Saturday sounds like a good plan Blip,
            I am hanging a new show this weekend but will try to check in, if I can’t join you all I will play catch up later. Either way, I will play around with some roughs next week.

          • lprent 15.3.1.2.4

            Perhaps we can rope lprent in to run the money side of things and maybe set aside a wee space on The Standard where people can link to. I don’t have a clue how those bar code thingywotsits work but it can’t be that tricky.

            No problems with any of that. The QR stuff is easy enough.

            I and/or TS will be happy to chip in a dollop of cash as well.

          • Cleo George 15.3.1.2.5

            Well done Blip! The truth about Key’s lies.

            Consider emailing the list with the lies and their links, to the parliamentary email addresses of all the MPs of all the non nat/act parties for their education and use.

        • Tracey 15.3.1.3

          I will put in 200. Let me know when and how. Paypal?

    • Tracey 15.4

      Thats different

    • Bill 15.5

      That list. If I’d the money, I’d flesh out or summarise the info from each link so that it fitted on – oh, I dunno – say, individual tissues of toilet paper. Then produce the whole lot in six packs of ‘extra long’ toilet rolls.

    • (a different) Pete 15.6

      And this relates to the topic under discussion … how exactly? Calling Key a liar has no relevance to the matter of whether Cunliffe made a mistake or not. Also for those of you who like to blame the media for this, you are making a mistake. I suspect that if you were a fly on the wall in a national party gathering that they would be complaining just as bitterly about the media.
      Time to lose the chip on the shoulder about whether Labour/Cunliffe is getting fair treatment and focus on doing a better job.
      Most of the comments here are just far too defensive. Take it on the chin, fix it and move on.

      [Bill: Pete, I've asked you before to change your handle since there is already a 'Pete' commenting on 'ts'. Please do it. Cheers]

      • Bill 15.6.1

        Just a reply to bring your attention to the above edit.

      • Pete 15.6.2

        Ok will do. I ignored it because I had been commenting here off and on for a while under that handle. But, no problem. Does that mean you want me to repost this under a different handle, or post all future responses under a new name?

        [lprent: Thanks. Just use a different handle - anything that is readily identifiable as being 'different'. Even "pete" would be enough - caps are easily distinguishable. We allow Rob and r0b for instance. ]

    • Will@Welly 15.7

      BLiP – your “words” are lovely. Every so often, you pop up, and refresh the conversation.
      I’d have you as an “honourary” M.P., just to keep them all honest.
      How could one not help but contribute to see BLiP’s words in print, or up on Billboards – that’d really brass Key & co off !! Damn fine idea !

  16. Xtasy 16

    The truth is that the mainly government friendly and even in many cases Key and government praising “mainstream media” staff (overseen by their editor bosses), are in too many cases partly incompetent, or lazy and simply NOT doing their jobs. Some apparently never read published releases of policy or press releases and other statements in detail.

    Others even twist and manipulate the truth, by using information selectively, by using certain, hand-picked data, and simply ignoring other relevant data. There are sadly some media “personalities” that are personally quite biased, and what they do has not much to do with traditional journalism. Uttering personal opinions has become common, when “reporting”, and this is unacceptable conduct for a good, professional and ethical journalist.

    So no wonder we get what we get, and as most are paid by their particular “paymasters” in corporate, privately owned and operated media outlets, they do not dare to bite the hand that feeds them, that also has certain “expectations” in “standards” to be followed.

    Who of them bothered to dissect and analyse the ‘SON’ speech by John Key, as that was full of untruths, half truths and twisted figures and other details. It was rather John Key “misleading” the public, than I suppose David Cunliffe.

    I sense an apparently increasing, almost “contagious” level of unacceptable “bias”, I am afraid.

    Hence we need the restoration of robust, balanced, more responsible public broadcasting media, and community based reporting and discussing of matters of relevance to New Zealanders. Social media can only do this so much.

  17. Blue 17

    Why the hell would anyone even assume that people would get both paid parental leave AND Best Start at the same time? You’d have to be a moron to think any government would allow double-dipping in this way.

    My guess is that DC didn’t state it in his speech because it’s so fucking obvious it doesn’t really need stating unless you are mentally deficient in the first place.

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 17.1

      Then Labour shouldn’t have been distributing material showing the baby bonus and parental leave happening simultaneously starting at birth, and Labour should have corrected the reporters when they reported what Cunliffe had said – Labour knowing that what Cunliffe had said was not literally true.

      • geoff 17.1.1

        I spose what’s most hilarious about the whole thing is Key trying to make out Cunliffe as untrustworthy.
        Key! Mr porkies himself! I spose he has that memory problem though so it’s no wonder he can’t remember the hundreds of lies he’s told NZ.

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 17.1.1.1

          +1 It is a breath-taking case of projection and hypocrisy.

          • emergency mike 17.1.1.1.1

            “It is a breath-taking case of projection and hypocrisy.”

            As well as that, when you are an untrustworthy liar yourself, calling your opponent an untrustworthy liar is just common sense.

      • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 17.1.2

        Weak SHG.

        ‘Wah wah, Labour shouldn’t have…bleat bleat’

        Who is to say Labour hasn’t corrected reporters reporting nonsense?
        What a pity that it has got to the point that a political party has to spend their precious time checking the accuracy of our media.
        When will our media take reporting accurately seriously?

    • Rodel 17.2

      Blue
      Absolutely!..Blindingly obvious…but then English and Key would assume double dipping is normal ethics wouldn’t they?

    • Anne 17.3

      I’ve been confused about this claim Blue because I was at the SoN speech, and Cunliffe stated parents would not start receiving Best Start until the “paid parental leave” was completed. He said it more than once to make sure every-one was clear about it. If he didn’t say it then I’m going bonkers. :(

      The problem was a poorly phrased paragraph in the Fact Sheet. I saw it online and it would have been hard to fathom what it was supposed to mean. But the media knew what it meant because they were there – unless they weren’t listening to Cunliffe. This isn’t the first time this sort of thing has happened and I suggest the Labour Party put in place a robust proof-reading system before anything ends up in the public arena. Either that, or employ people who know how to properly word documents.

      Edit: I see Disraeli Gladstone (love the pseudonym) below has made similar points. He/she is right!

      • karol 17.3.1

        I’ve been confused about this claim Blue because I was at the SoN speech, and Cunliffe stated parents would not start receiving Best Start until the “paid parental leave” was completed. He said it more than once to make sure every-one was clear about it. If he didn’t say it then I’m going bonkers.

        I was there. I don’t remember that. And it isn’t in the printed version of Cunliffe’s speech.

        • Anne 17.3.1.1

          Well, I remember him mentioning the 26 weeks parental leave and the Best Start programme more or less one after the other, and putting two and two together – correctly as it has turned out to be. Maybe it was just luck… but that is what I came away believing he said. Perhaps it was common sense kicking in.

          Was the printed version a verbatim account of what Cunliffe said? He actually spoke without any notes that I could see.

  18. Disraeli Gladstone 18

    Nope, sorry. Key is being an opportunist prick, yes. The media is beating up on Labour more than they would if this was a National mistake, yes.

    But it’s still a cock-up.

    It seems like there were two different fact sheets and the one given to the media (an earlier copy) had less facts. Why? How hard is it to make sure you have the proper fact sheet to give out and not give journalists who often tear you down a draft? A draft with holes in.

    Cunliffe was clear in his speech that it was $60 a week for the first year that your baby was born. Yes, I agree with the point that you shouldn’t delve into all the fine print of a policy within a speech. That would be stupid. You know what else is stupid? Not pointing out that the first year may in fact only be HALF of that year due to paid paternal leave.

    Ugh. It’s hard to believe but the sense of amateur hour within the top office at Labour has only increased since Shearer left.

    Someone get Malcolm Tucker in or something.

    • Lanthanide 18.1

      +++

    • burt 18.2

      Exactly, and it seems the cover-up for this stuff up is just about as feeble as the initial mistake.

      The problem is the so-called hidden information is actually right there on the first page of the factsheet Labour put up on line when policy was announced:

      I wonder why Zet specifically referred to the online fact sheet rather than the printed version given to reporters ?????

      [lprent: Don't be a dickhead burt, a moments thought would have given you the answer. Because he isn't a reporter? Like me he relies on what is visible from the net. ]

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 18.3

      Ugh. It’s hard to believe but the sense of amateur hour within the top office at Labour has only increased since Shearer left.

      Staggering, isn’t it ?

    • greywarbler 18.4

      Okay there was some confusion. But it was great to hear some positive new social policy.
      So next time David could give out the general info and hand out the details printed on fact sheets for the journalists so it’s incontrovertible evidence – there could even be an 0800 number to phone if they are unsure about anything. There would be less wiggle room then to weave little stories.

      David isn’t Superman, mixed with Gandalf. But he may get to where he bars Key with his magic staff and say “You shall not pass”. We could get a local doco maker to trace the battle through the year and capture the great moment on film at the end. That would be a finale! So let’s put on our hairy feet and get into training. And we won’t go into spins when there is something that ain’t perfect. We’ll be learning and moving on and upwards.

    • Anne 18.5

      I’m sure Cunliffe mentioned the Best Start programme kicking in after the 26 weeks parental leave Disraeli Gladstone.

  19. Rob 19

    To put it plainly, both sides (Labour & the media) have learnt a lot from this and will no doubt approach the next big policy release quite differently.

    Any residual honeymoon that remained from the leadership change with general media has evaporated.

    • McFlock 19.1

      thanks for your concern

      • Rob 19.1.1

        No concern McFlock at all, just a dawning reality that not much has changed at all with all the changes.

        • McFlock 19.1.1.1

          True that – no matter what policies labour comes up with, the media will always report it unfairly and other folk will always pretend that the slightest inconsistency or imprecision is a yawning chasm that will lose the Left the next election.

        • Anne 19.1.1.2

          …not much has changed at all with all the changes.

          Some truth in that – where the media is concerned.

    • Tracey 19.2

      Hi rob

      Which schools are getting the first super principals and when? WHAT is the criteria for getting one. Key didnt say and I cant find it in the media follow up. An important detail I think. Spending 359m and all

  20. Tracey 20

    Patrick gower tweeted @publicaddress @@rsalmond Agreed. Still big impact policy, nothing to be ashamed of

  21. burt 21

    Lets all get excited about how many different welfare entitlements are available and how they interact together for new parents. I know that reducing taxes for everyone and having benefits that are universal and simple will not enable Labour to stack the public service with newly created jobs. Jobs that take from the same people it gives back to in some form of merry-go-round that looks good to dim-bulb half thinkers.

    But for F-sake – how can anyone be stupid enough to support further complications of the benefit and tax system. It’s already a playground for anyone with a good accountant and a way of shuffling income between themselves, a company and/or a trust.

  22. tricledrown 22

    Burt your 1/2 right how many families are going to miss out very few just make it universal ang inccrease tax to cover.
    This is policy to aleviate child poverty and not create a poverty
    trap.
    Research out of China has shown that a family with an income of $8,000 per child guaratees that child has a 90%+ rate of sucess as an adult .
    So low income is proven to be the major factor in child povertu.
    Just giving across the board tax cuts isn’t going to fix the problem.

  23. tricledrown 23

    Burt your 1/2 right how many families are going to miss out very few just make it universal ang inccrease tax to cover.
    This is policy to aleviate child poverty and not create a poverty
    trap.
    Research out of China has shown that a family with an income of $8,000 per child guaratees that child has a 90%+ rate of sucess as an adult .
    So low income is proven to be the major factor in child povertu.
    Just giving across the board tax cuts isn’t going to fix the problem.

    • burt 23.1

      tricledrown

      So if I was earning $45K and my QC partner $3m/year and she decided to take a year off with a baby ?

      We’ll get $60/week – because we are poor ?

      • mickysavage 23.1.1

        Yep but what are the chances of you even applying if your finances are in that condition?

      • weka 23.1.2

        “We’ll get $60/week – because we are poor ?”

        No, you will get $60/wk for half the time (assuming she takes PPL), because it is a universal benefit aimed at all families to support the best start for babies in those families. If you were poor, you would get the $60 a week for 3 years instead of one.

      • felix 23.1.3

        Who cares, burt? There’s no point designing policy around what a cunt like you might do to rort it.

        Just take the $60 if you need it. How fucking hard is that?

  24. mickysavage 24

    How ironic …

    Gower accuses Cunliffe of dishonesty over a mistake. I just had a look at a video claiming to be about Cunliffe and the best start policy and the video is about interest rates increases. The video is at http://www.3news.co.nz/Cunliffe-admits-policy-speech-error/tabid/1607/articleID/330233/Default.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter but I am sure they will fix it up.

    So TV3 stuff ups happen. But no need to say it is evidence of dishonesty …

    • karol 24.1

      Hah! Tweeted it to Gower. He needs to know when his team’s stuffing up, too….. as well as when he’s being down right diversionary and spinning against the left.

    • geoff 24.2

      Classic!
      Seems like the TV3 political news team is packed full of National supporters. Campbell might be TV3’s only saving grace.

  25. fisiani 25

    The Cunliffe has really jumped the shark. Anyone care to guess what digit will follow the 2 when the next poll comes out.

    • chris73 25.1

      Now be fair its not Cunliffes fault that others report things and Cunliffe doesn’t correct them because hes a busy guy.

      I mean its obvious he helped with the formation of Fonterra, sure it was 8 hours worth of help two years before Fonterra was formed but anyone disagreeing with him is merely nit picking

      and yes there was that business with the CV but the reporters got it wrong and Cunliffe could have corrected it with a phone call but hes a busy guy

      So this is really just a case of (the evil) MSM getting the wrong end of the stick

      • Lanthanide 25.1.1

        It’s a case of some narrow parts of the MSM making a mountain out of a molehill.

        Poor form for Labour to create the molehill in the first place, though.

        • chris73 25.1.1.1

          The real problem is that this has been happening since Goff took over and still labour are managing to shoot themselves in the foot (and then blame everyone else)

          You’d think someone in labour would work it out eventually…

          • Lanthanide 25.1.1.1.1

            It wasn’t great under Goff and was particularly bad under Shearer. Cunliffe so far has been a a lot better, but they need to be near-flawless, and they aren’t.

            As others have mooted on several occasions, National can get away with being sloppy because they’re the government and the media love them, especially Key. It’s not a fair situation, but Labour have to deal with it. The Greens generally do very well, for example.

            • chris73 25.1.1.1.1.1

              I don’t agree with much of the greens but they do run a tighter ship then labour though interestingly enough i think if you combined the Greens and Nationals plans you’d probably have it spot on and you wouldn’t need Labours

              • Lanthanide

                Yeah, pity National has ruled the Greens out. And also that National are taking the country to hell in a handbasket, of course.

                • geoff

                  +1 Lanthanide!

                  • Rob

                    From a comms point of view and clearer messaging, there was probably more value in presenting both the extended parental leave and then the $60 per week benefit as an integrated package. the simple message being is that assisatnce is complete throughout the year.

                    A subtle change I know, but a more correct, clearer and robust message .

                    • Lanthanide

                      I’ve thought about that too. Unfortunately it then leads to this sort of situation:

                      Q: “And if you don’t qualify for PPL because your aren’t employed?”
                      A: “Then you get $60/week from the beginning”.

                      Then suddenly it’s framed as Labour paying special money to beneficiaries.

                    • Rob

                      Oh ok, given the range of pathways into the programmes (employed, not working etc) it is a little more complex to present.

                • chris73

                  Like the Greens would ever go with National, the Greens have made themselves Labours doormat

                  • fender

                    Like the Greens would ever go with National, the Greens have integrity and are nothing like the Maori Party.

                    FIFY

      • QoT 25.1.2

        God, if you’re back to repeating Hooton’s embarrassing little screwup on Fonterra things must be getting desperate.

        • chris73 25.1.2.1

          Merely pointing out that Cunliffe has a habit of being economical with the truth with the added bonus of showing that Labour don’t seem to be able to learn from its own mistakes

          • Colonial Viper 25.1.2.1.1

            meh

            Although Key is still the ace liar I have to admit.

          • Tracey 25.1.2.1.2

            So does key but you say you trust him. This was a stupid mistake by labour. By that standard key is up to stupid mistake 150 and climbing Agree chris?

  26. fisiani 26

    The Cunliffe visited the Pope and went out on the balcony. Everyone in St Peter’s Square was asking “Who is the old guy standing beside The Infallible Cunliffe.”

    • felix 26.1

      Can we have a whip-round to help Slater get his site back up?

    • Rob 26.2

      Yes just like the title of the 2nd book “what I learn’t from Jesus…. and what he learnt from me”.

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 26.3

      lolz
      Fisiani & Rob gain the most amusing right-wing sour grapes comments award – from blue leopard. Really quite funny!

      [Guess you a just sore because the person you support would only be mentioned as "an unidentified guest/author"......]

  27. Paul 27

    Posts like this challenging the corporate media’s lies and distortions are to be encouraged

  28. chris73 28

    Note to Cunliffe – check your facts

    – There you go, no more problems for Labour :)

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    The on-going and recent scandals (Judith Collins & Oravida, Maurice Williamson & Donghua Lui, John Key & Dirty Politics....)  in New Zealand that have swirled around the neo-liberal National Party government of Key, supported by the discredited political parties of...
    the Irascible Curmudgeon | 29-09
  • Changing Leaders Will Not Be Enough
    Trial By Ordeal: The techniques of the Seventeenth Century Witchfinders-General might be preferable to the process Labour has adopted to uncover the reasons for its woeful performance in the 2014 General Election. It's a pity the Party has not allowed...
    Bowalley Road | 29-09
  • Starting a constructive conversation on the future of the Treaty of Waitang...
    To learn more about our upcoming Treaty project click here...
    Gareth’s World | 29-09
  • Gillard on NZ Labour
    I arrived in Australia a month after Tony Abbott had been elected Prime Minister, a week after Bill Shorten had been elected Labor Leader and a month before Kevin Rudd announced his resignation from Parliament. It quickly amazed me how...
    Progress report | 29-09
  • March to #StopDeepSeaOil and #StopStatoil
    There have been amazing and moving scenes in Northland as the Waiho Papa Moana Hikoi made its way down from Cape Reinga to stand up for their coast, their way of life and for future generations. And they are not...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 29-09
  • Auckland Transport Early October Board Meeting
    The Auckland Transport board meeting is on Thursday and below are sections from the various reports that caught my attention. The first thing I noticed was the huge number of items on the closed agenda with 18 specific items for decision/approval or...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • Labour not “part of the communities we live in”
    Labour leadership aspirant Grant Robertson told a blunt truism to Kathryn Ryan on Radio New Zealand the Monday after the election. “Politics has to be about more than elections,” he said. “It has to about being part of the communities...
    Colin James | 29-09
  • The mystifying rise of Jacinda Ardern
    As Labour’s leadership debacle lurches nowhere fast, the only winner thus far appears to be Jacinda Ardern. A One News poll (or what One News sometimes likes to call a poll, despite it being a self-selecting online survey. Please, just leave the...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • The mystifying rise of Jacinda Ardern
    As Labour’s leadership debacle lurches nowhere fast, the only winner thus far appears to be Jacinda Ardern. A One News poll (or what One News sometimes likes to call a poll, despite it being a self-selecting online survey. Please, just leave the...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • “Unless you can perform miracles, it’s time to go David”
    To be honest, I haven’t really had time to keep up with the volumes that has already been written regarding the (current lack of) leadership of the New Zealand Labour Party. One piece that has however caught my eye is...
    Progress report | 29-09
  • How sustainable is New Zealand?
    Behavioural economics is not a complete theory but it demonstrates that we are not the economic rational being usually assumed in economics theory. One of the most troubling divergences is that we make time-inconsistent decisions so our short run choices...
    Pundit | 29-09
  • The Labour leadership meltdown continues
    Over the weekend, I road tripped it down to Wellington, where I had a beer with a pollster, briefly checked on what announcement Cunliffe had made mid-Saturday afternoon, and then proceeded to ignore politics. Fine wine and convivial company was far...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • The Labour leadership meltdown continues
    Over the weekend, I road tripped it down to Wellington, where I had a beer with a pollster, briefly checked on what announcement Cunliffe had made mid-Saturday afternoon, and then proceeded to ignore politics. Fine wine and convivial company was far...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the farcical elevation of David Seymour
    With the election won, it’s time to find jobs for the boy. David Seymour is the Act Party’s latest scrounger to be rewarded by the National Party, and not only with a seat in Parliament. This time around, a couple...
    Gordon Campbell | 29-09
  • Bike to the Future
    Bike to the Future. 28 September 2014. Photo: Tamara Josephine. The wunderkinds at Generation Zero put on a great event yesterday. Part celebration, part protest, the Bike to the Future event was attended by about 400 (500?) people, including young...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • Peter Williams – Hero of the Week
    There are not many lawyers who I respect. However, that's not the case with Peter Williams, who is clearly one of the good guys.Not only has this highly experienced Queen's Council worked tirelessly to uphold the law, he has also...
    The Jackal | 29-09
  • Carbon News 29/9/14: Key challenged over climate impacts on Pacific islands
    Memo John Key: look Pacific Island leaders in the eye The Government is being challenged to invite the leaders of the Marshall Islands, Tuvalu and Kiribati to come and tell Parliament what they think of New Zealand’s climate change policies....
    Hot Topic | 29-09
  • Is John Key about to send the NZ SAS into Iraq?
     Is John Key about to send the NZ SAS into Iraq?If so, will they be better equipped than they were in Afghanistan? In the following clip we see John Key reassuring  the nation after five New Zealand soldiers were killed...
    Arch Rival | 29-09
  • The question will only go away if we let it – please like & share thi...
    After only a few years in parliament, a relative newcomer to politics, John Philip Key became the leader of the National party of New Zealand.  He was subsequently elected the Prime Minister of New Zealand on 8 November 2008 and...
    Politically Corrected | 29-09
  • Peer review of an anti-fluoride “peer review”
    In  Anti-fluoride activists define kangaroo court as “independent” I promised to review the anti-fluoridationist “International Peer Review.” This is Anti-fluoride  critique of the recent review Health Effects of Water Fluoridation: a Review of the Scientific Evidence produced by the Royal Society of NZ together with the Office...
    Open Parachute | 29-09
  • Stuart’s 100 #35 A Corner to Remeber
    35: A Corner to Remember   Flatiron Building c1917 What if a flatiron building could rise on every forgotten corner? Continuing the series on forgotten spaces, the corner site at the bottom of Anzac Avenue where it meets Customs Street...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • A model for unaccountability
    National signed its confidence and supply agreement with ACT today. The headline news is that David Seymour get more patronage from National, in the form of being appointed Parliamentary Under Secretary to the Minister of Education and Parliamentary Under Secretary...
    No Right Turn | 29-09
  • Nash equilibrium
    Labour seem to have gotten themselves into this weird position where they have (a) a leadership contest and (b) a long, extensive review of the party and its poor performance, meaning that they’ll either have to wait for the outcome...
    DimPost | 29-09
  • Hold fast to your Mana – Harawira
    Hone Harawira today called on the voters of Tai Tokerau to hold fast to their mana, and not be dictated to by those party leaders who have ganged together to tell them how to vote. “I call on our people...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Media Advisory – Interview availability
    This is to advise all media that Hone Harawira will be available in Auckland tomorrow, Friday the 19th of September from 7am to 4pm for interviews relating to his recent press releases. If you are interested in interviewing Mr Harawira on...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Labour stands on proud record on Suffrage Day
    Women have come a long way in the 121 years since New Zealand became the first country to give them the vote on September 19 1893, but there is still more to do, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Carol Beaumont says....
    Labour | 18-09
  • Polling Booths asked to treat Maori voters with respect
    “Polling booths without Maori roll voting papers, Maori people not being offered assistance to vote, people getting sent from Whangarei to Wellsford to vote, Maori people getting turned away from voting because they didn’t have their ‘easy vote’ card, Maori...
    Mana | 17-09
  • Aussie Liberals embroiled in Key campaign
    John Key needs to explain why Australia’s Liberal Party is interfering in New Zealand domestic politics and is encouraging Kiwi voters across the ditch to vote for National just days out from the election, Labour’s campaign spokesperson Annette King says....
    Labour | 17-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit. “If you’re lucky enough to have...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Māori development crucial to New Zealand’s future
    Labour recognises the concern of Māori about child poverty and the rising costs of living, and in Government will make a real difference to the wellbeing of whānau and iwi, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “As our Māori...
    Labour | 16-09
  • MAORI PARTY – DON’T COMPLAIN … WALK
    “If the Maori Party are serious about stopping government spying on NZ citizens then they should tell the Prime Minister to either stop doing it or they will walk away” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, on...
    Mana | 16-09
  • JOHN KEY SUPPORTING LABOUR
    “There is something really sick about a National Party Prime Minister coming out in support of a Labour candidate” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira, after hearing that John Key is urging voters to back Labour in...
    Mana | 16-09
  • SHUT DOWN THIS GOVT NOT KAITI WINZ – Nikora
    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
    ...
    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Party members and affiliates – the real losers in Labour’s leadership f...
    Hey, wanna do a back room deal that cuts the members and affiliates out? Cunliffe must be reeling. He has lost failed Ilam candidate James Dann. It must cut as deep as the loss of Steve Gibson. Apart from providing Claire...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election res...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election result...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • The rich get richer
    Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman highlights the growing inequality in this article in the New York Times. The left wing slogan that the “the rich get richer” is a fact of almost perverse power. The most recent period of expansion in the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • A brief word on reinvading Iraq
    So after telling the country before the election that NZ would not send forces to Iraq, lo and behold now he’s won the election with a full spectrum dominance political majority, Key is suddenly now looking to join the re-invasion of...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • A brief word on the importance of ACT, Maori Party and United Future to Nat...
    I’m a far right wing clown who attacks tax money going on anything collective, gimmie some cash and privilege.  One of the great successes of National has been to implement hard right policy but have it sold as moderate. For some NZers,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Labour’s Angst
    Was Labour’s predictably low vote David Cunliffe’s fault? Was it policy? Was it something else that has aroused perceptions of electoral carnage? My analysis of the numbers suggests that, as uncertain voters made up their minds, there was a late...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Information wars: Gaza as “the last taboo”, the threat of mass surveill...
    “When the truth is replaced with silence” wrote the soviet dissident Yevgeni Yevtushenko, “the silence is a lie.” There has been a silence these past months full of noise, static and sound bites of those in power justifying their violence,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • When the media say they covered Dirty Politics – did they?
    I was watching The Nation in the weekend, and watched the defenders of NZ media up against Minto telling him he was wrong in his claims of media bias and that the media covered Dirty Politics. I laughed. When the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG – P Campbell – To the Left with love
    A week after the general election results I feel wrung out emotionally, having been through the disappointment, depression and anger of seeing  another right wing government elected overwhelmingly by winning support from the parts of NZ that will never benefit...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – I will be the new Labour Leader!
    One week after the election, while I was still waiting to be consulted about contributing to the review on what went wrong, what do you know? There is a leadership challenge. So instead of opting for a united, thoughtful and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – A Prescient Post
    A very prescient pre-election post by Martyn Bradbury tells us why the Labour Party are at war now. “The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work” Despite Martyn Bradbury warning them this Right Wing strategy “Better Work”...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – W(h)ither Labour (!/?)
    There’s an old saying that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. Not so in the Labour Party, wherein soul-crushing defeat on a scale unseen since 1925 definitely has many fathers (and more than a few mothers and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • At the end of the day…
    At the end of the day…...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty
    Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Internet MANA the election and the media
    I’ve been very critical of media reporting of Internet MANA during the election campaign and not surprised at the predictable response from representatives of the corporate media establishment. I wasn’t going to carry this further but was asked at the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Rachel Jones – A superficial discourse analysis of a superfic...
    On Sunday there was a story about Paddy Gower and his detached retina in the Herald on Sunday. Really? I hear you ask. Really? Yes, really. Pam Corkery will have sprayed toast crumbs over her dressing gown. The reporter has become...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Terrorising Australia’s Muslim population
    We should be suspicious when 800 police conduct “terror” raids across Australia, but only one person is charged with a relevant terrorism offence (of which we know few details). We should be suspicious of the lurid tales of terrorists planning...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its min...
    Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its mind. I know the Labour party has its problems and I’m not even going to try to prescribe what should be done about it. But what I...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Loyalty, Leadership and the Labour Party
    My first after the election and I can only say I’m feeling pretty sad.  It was a terrible result, and feels even more so knowing the number of volunteers hours, hard work & sacrifice made by so many people who...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Cunliffe vs Robertson – Round 2
    Much to the disappointment of the NZ Herald and other right wing pundits who have decided they would like to appoint the next Labour leader, Cunliffe has surprised by deciding to damn the Caucus and appeal directly to the members...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The tasks before the left and labour movement
    Anyone on the left would have been disappointed at the result of the election. There was an opportunity to win, but that got lost through a combination of factors. There were tactical decisions made by Labour, the Greens and Internet-Mana...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • From Fiji’s dictatorship to ‘democracy’ – the AUT student team on t...
    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Women’s group heartened by response to promo girls
    The National Council of Women of New Zealand is heartened by the strong response to the inappropriate use of bikini-clad girls at a technology expo....
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Owen interviews Jim Anderton, Helen Kelly and Selwyn Pellet
    Lisa Owen interviews Jim Anderton, Helen Kelly and Selwyn Pellet ___________________________________________ The Nation on TV3, 9.30am Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Check us out online , on Facebook or on Twitter . Tell us what you think at thenation@mediaworks.co.nz or text...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Owen interviews Mark Boyd, Jonathan Milne and John Minto
    Lisa Owen interviews Mark Boyd, Jonathan Milne and John Minto ___________________________________________ The Nation on TV3, 9.30am Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Check us out online , on Facebook or on Twitter . Tell us what you think at thenation@mediaworks.co.nz or text...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Prime Time on Labour
    Mike Smith - former General Secretary of the NZ Labour Party Jim McAloon, Assoc Prof, Victoria University of Wellington History Department (currently writing official history of the Labour Party) Rob Salmond, consultant to Labour Leader's office and...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Korero Mai Ki Ahau – Saturday 27 & Sunday 28 September 2014
    Saturday 27 September 2014 | One million people voted for National in last week’s election. Another million didn’t vote at all. In Kia Korero Mai this week, Eru Morgan talks to political commentator Henare Kingi about the figures and what...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • On The Nation this weekend: Labour, National, The Media
    This weekend on The Nation… Labour’s had its worst election result in 92 years, so what happens next? We’ll talk to former Labour president Jim Anderton, CTU president Helen Kelly, and tech entrepreneur and past donor Selwyn Pellett about the...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Red Cross, Pacific leaders prepare for cyclone season
    The New Zealand Red Cross Pacific Advisory Group, met for the first time this week, to develop a disaster response plan for the upcoming Pacific cyclone season, which is forecast to be severe....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Teachers support PM’s call for solutions to child poverty
    NZEI Te Riu Roa is pleased to hear that the Prime Minister is calling for new ideas to address child poverty....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • First batch of household protection kits arrives in Liberia
    Kits containing protective gear will equip a network of community-based Ebola care centres nationwide...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Dr Paul Hutchison praised for work to reduce child poverty
    The Association of Salaried Medical Specialists (ASMS) has thanked retiring National MP Dr Paul Hutchison for his work to reduce child poverty....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Bag snatch hero deserves a medal – McVicar
    The Justice Spokesman for the Conservative Party, Garth McVicar, is calling for the woman known as the bag-snatch hero to be awarded a medal for bravery....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
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