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Note to Media – check your facts.

Written By: - Date published: 12:55 pm, January 29th, 2014 - 202 comments
Categories: labour, Media - Tags: , ,

Sometimes I despair for our media. I mean, the latest parroting of Key’s line on Best Start is the stuff of black comedy.

Apparently Key’s claiming David Cunliffe misled people about eligibility because they don’t get the payment while they also get paid parental leave. And the media are trumpeting it all over the place.

The problem is the so-called hidden information is actually right there on the first page of the factsheet Labour put up on line when policy was announced:

For families receiving Paid Parental Leave, entitlement to the Best Start Payment will commence at the end of the household’s time using Paid Parental Leave.

If that’s a hidden agenda then Labour needs to get a lot more sneaky. Or maybe journlists just need to check the facts before they put Key’s lies to print.

202 comments on “Note to Media – check your facts.”

  1. Lanthanide 1

    Reposting my comment 1.1.2 from the “On Best Start” thread:

    “As if it wasn’t very clear yesterday, on Labour’s FAQ Best Start page”

    It might have been very clear on their FAQ. But it was NOT clear from Cunliffe’s speech.

    It would not have taken much to mention it: announce paid parental leave first, then add the $60 payment for those not receiving paid parental leave.

    Simple. But he didn’t do it.

    Yes, the media are way over-reacting, but the point is, Cunliffe gave them an opening.

    I have to say, I myself was slightly surprised when I found out that the $60 only started *after* you came off the 26 weeks paid parental leave. Cunliffe really should have made this clear in his speech.

    Also in follow-up interviews he has literally said you’ll get $60 a week for the first year of your babies life if your household earns under $150k pa, without hinting at any other conditions or qualifications. He said exactly this on Campbell Live’s segment on Monday night – I was specifically noting what he said to see if he’d mention the 26 weeks paid leave or not, and he didn’t.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1

      The “point” is that the media are reporting Key’s lie as something other than “Prime Minister caught lying, playing politics”.

      No amount of message tailoring is going to be enough to cut through that level of bias.

      • Lanthanide 1.1.1

        Cunliffe has presented the policy on several occasions as being $60 a week while your child is under 1 year of age and you earn less than $150k.

        That’s not actually what the policy is. Key is *not* lying when he says that that is how Cunliffe portrayed it.

        It’s unfortunate that the media are buying into and repeating his message, though.

        • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 1.1.1.1

          Labour Party inept at communications, in other news sky found to be blue.

        • weka 1.1.1.2

          “It’s unfortunate that the media are buying into and repeating his message, though.”

          Sorry Lanth, but if the media had been doing their fucking job, they would have read the Labour policy document within an hour of his speech and then the rest of the day would have covered the salient points, including things like PPL.

          Look at what happened on ts. We all read/listened to the speech, then read the actual policy and proceeded to discuss it in context. How fucking hard would that be for the media to do as well?

          • Lanthanide 1.1.1.2.1

            SPC’s comment below says this:

            “Claire Trevett ‏@CTrevettNZH
            the fact sheets handed out to reporters at the speech were not the fact sheets that contained the PPL bit.”

            • weka 1.1.1.2.1.1

              Have you seen a copy and compared it to the one online?

              How hard would it be for journalists to fact check? It looks like Labour may have made a mistake here, but if the media had done their job properly, they wouldn’t now have a story to beat Labour with. Oh wait…

              • greywarbler

                Don’t make excuses weka. It’s not the job of the media to decide Labour’s policy for them, it is Labour’s to explain it TO them, simply as to a little child. No crappy she’ll be right when you launch a policy, or the boat might go down if the holes are under the waterline.

                I have just been reading Terry Pratchett’s Jingo about playing politics in cunning ways. Wish I could have him for PM. Even with a touch of al. (the word that shall not be said) he would do as well as our strategists.

                • weka

                  Do you think Labour deliberately misled the media/public or do you think they were sloppy and ill-prepared?

                  • greywarbler

                    I said -
                    1 It’s not the job of the media to decide Labour’s policy.
                    2 It is Labour’s job to explain it to them very clearly.
                    3 It is not enough to be a bit casual about explaining to the media when you
                    launch a policy.
                    4 If the job is done imperfectly the result is likely to be unsuccessful outcomes.
                    5 Labour has to be careful and cunning about their strategies, or they will get out-maneouvred and I have seen good ideas in a book I have read, the author of which could teach them a thing or two.
                    Is that clear enough Weka.

                    • weka

                      I understood you well enough the first time. Is there a reason you don’t want to answer my question?

                    • greywarbler

                      Well I didn’t see the necessity for it but if you are playing headmistress of the thread, I will answer exactly so there is no doubt in even the most confused mind.
                      Do you think Labour deliberately misled the media/public or do you think they were sloppy and ill-prepared?

                      I think that Labour was ill-prepared as they did not specify exactly when, to whom and for how long etc that the allowance was to be paid to mothers.
                      So I think that was sloppy to use your word.

                      No I do not believe that Labour deliberately misled the media or public, but David Cunliffe did cause confusion and misunderstanding by not spelling out the exceptions and the entitlements fully, so leaving room for misinformation to be bandied about.

                    • weka

                      Thanks.

          • alwyn 1.1.1.2.2

            Perhaps it would have been a good idea for Cunliffe to have read the policy. Then he would have been able to explain it fully instead of leaving bits out.
            How can he possibly complain if he leaves out things about the scheme and then complains when Key points out that he has done so?

            • weka 1.1.1.2.2.1

              Fuck off alwyn. If you think that Cunliffe hasn’t been involved in developing the policy and hasn’t read it, then you’re an imbecile and shouldn’t be commenting here.

              • QoT

                alwyn’s previous line was that Cunliffe wouldn’t even have any input into the speech. Or that there wouldn’t be a speech. alwyn is clearly a deliberate, purposeful derailer.

                • alwyn

                  I gather that Cunliffe has admitted, in the Herald, that he was wrong in what he said in his speech, and blames it on the speechwriter. This is basically an admission that he didn’t understand the policy. It says that I rely on my speechwriter to know what the facts are, and I regurgitate them.
                  After all, we are expected to believe that DC knew the policy detail, read through the draft speech carefully, and never realised that what he was going to say was, at best, misleading and at worst was a flat out lie. “I relied on my speechwriter” is the basis of his defence.
                  I admit I am assuming that he read the speech carefully. It is one of the most important he is ever going to make and I hope he didn’t just pick it up and immediately blurt it out.

      • Tom Gould 1.1.2

        Frankly, I am really getting sick and tired of the MSM and the political media in particular behaving like they work for the Key’s 9th floor media spin unit. Any shred of actually ‘journalism’ has been abandoned in the headlong rush to get Key a third term. It is sickening to see how our democracy has been so completely corrupted.

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.1.2.1

          +1 Tom Gould

        • Richard McGrath 1.1.2.2

          Interesting that the minute Cunliffe screws up, and the media report it, they are suddenly confirmed as National Party stooges…

          • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.1.2.2.1

            We’ve been watching the media barely bat an eyelid on JK’s countless screw-ups – the response re Cunliffe’s speech was well over the top in comparison. Please just go back to sleep Richard McGrath

    • ghostwhowalksnz 1.2

      Then they would have claimed there was something else that ‘wasnt clear’.

      John Key would have walked into his media office and said

      ‘ Find me more than 6 different problems real of imaginary with First start and make it snappy’

      These will be drip fed out to lazy journos like Gower – and others over the next week

      • Lanthanide 1.2.1

        Yes, quite possibly, but I don’t know what else you’d pick on in this policy.

        Let’s be fair here though: missing out on 50% of the claimed $60/week payment is actually quite a big discrepancy.

      • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 1.2.2

        It’s not that something “wasn’t clear”. Cunliffe and Labour have been caught out saying things that are simply not true. That’s not a lack of clarity, that’s lying.

        • Lanthanide 1.2.2.1

          For someone to be lying, they must have an intent to deceive.

          I don’t believe there was any intent here.

          Cunliffe left out salient, important information, but he didn’t lie.

          • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 1.2.2.1.1

            Labour publications on the Internet right now show the baby bonus and parental leave being available to parents simultaneously commencing at birth. The media have reported that. Labour has allowed the media to do so without correction while knowing that it’s not true.

            • KJT 1.2.2.1.1.1

              Like you get every detail of a policy in a speech.

              There were more than a few glaring gaps in Key’s education announcement too. Don’t see any media highlighting them.

            • weka 1.2.2.1.1.2

              Got a link SHG?

              • alwyn

                There is the press release here

                https://www.labour.org.nz/beststart

                It says “Labour will introduce 26 weeks of Paid Parental Leave, an increase from the current 14 weeks, in line with Sue Moroney’s Member’s Bill”
                and
                “$60 per week for a baby’s first year of life, universal for all family’s earning under $150,000 per year”

                In the press release there are no if’s, no buts and no maybes. “First year of life” and “universal” it says.

                There might be a qualification hidden deep in one of the many documents this one contains links to but I didn’t think you were allowed to put something in bold type and then avoid it by weasel words in the small print are you?
                This isn’t his speech by the way where it is possible to claim that the omission is forgiveable. This is an announcement on the Labour Party’s own website.

                • weka

                  “There might be a qualification hidden deep in one of the many documents this one contains links to”

                  Ah, another person who hasn’t bothered to look at the policy. It’s not like it is on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of The Leopard”. It’s on the very first page, one click from the page you just read, and that link is right at the bottom of the section on the Best Start payment.

                  I do think Labour have been remiss with this, and it’s not like this is the first time. And if you want to side with disingenuous, egotistical, ethically bankrupt journalists like Gower go ahead. Myself, I prefer to educate myself and make an effort to understand what is going on.

                  • alwyn

                    Well so it is! I wonder what is in all the other links? Why should I have to check everything rather than rely on the main document? Why can’t I rely on politicians not to prevaricate?

                    I think that, if this release from the Labour party was considered as being an ad, any material that it linked to could fairly be equated to the fine print of the ad, or as a small notice inside the store.
                    The consumer web-site has some material on the Fair Trading Act. It says

                    “Telling a story in fine print at the bottom of the ad, or by way of a small notice inside a store won’t save an ad from breaking the Fair Trading Act. As a general rule, fine print can elaborate on the main selling message but should not be used to contradict it”.

                    I see why the politicians made themselves exempt from the Fair Trading Act. A lot of them would be in very big trouble wouldn’t they?

                    • weka

                      The policy document IS the main document.

                      They made a mistake alwyn. It’s obvious that they’re not trying to hide anything.

                    • alwyn

                      Ok. Now if I can just check the rules?

                      When Key makes a slip of the tongue, or there is a typo or a word left out of a document it is because he is lying. This rule applies even when he is clearly telling the truth.

                      When Cunliffe makes a mistake and leaves something out it is only a mistake because we all know that Cunliffe never tries to hide anything. This rule is true even when he is clearly lying.

                      To hell with it. It is far to nice an evening in Wellington to bother sitting in front of a computer screen. That statement is true. It has been lovely weather today.

                    • McFlock

                      When Key makes a slip of the tongue, or there is a typo or a word left out of a document it is because he is lying. This rule applies even when he is clearly telling the truth.

                      Which cases in Blip’s list of dunnokeyo’s lying do you think that summary applies to, Alwyn?

                    • weka

                      It says alot alwyn that you can’t tell the difference between a mistake and lying.

                      When Key makes a slip of the tongue, or there is a typo or a word left out of a document it is because he is lying. This rule applies even when he is clearly telling the truth.

                      When Cunliffe makes a mistake and leaves something out it is only a mistake because we all know that Cunliffe never tries to hide anything. This rule is true even when he is clearly lying.

                      That’s about how you see things. I don’t see it that way, which begs the question of why you would post that in reply to me.

                    • alwyn

                      @McFlock. I was going to put, as an example, the comment about working for families.
                      I suppose if I do so you will tell me it doesn’t form part of the class I was talking about as there is no typo, nor slip of the tongue.
                      It isn’t a lie though, which Blip claims. Now you tell me why you think it is a lie?

                    • McFlock

                      Blip’s list:

                      we are not going to cut working for families

                      .
                      Linked to this page here.

                      Contrast with this news report re:2011 budget, wich was found in a5 second google search. Headline “Thousands affected by Working For Families cuts”.

                      Do you see why some folk might think that dunnokeyo’s statement did not match reality? Hence why it might be a “lie”, especially as his promise was in a carefully crafted speech and media release?

                    • alwyn

                      McFlock at 9.42am
                      The statement by Key was in July 2008, before the 2008 election. It was, like the decision not to sell shares in the SOEs a statement of what the National Government would do in its 2008-2011 term if they were elected. They did NOT make changes to WFF before the 2011 election.
                      Before the 2011 election they announced their policy for the next term and, in some cases, made changes to laws that would take place only after that election, if they were re-elected. If they hadn’t been reelected there was plenty of time for a new Government to reverse them.
                      Key’s promises prior to the 2008 were always predicated on being for that term. The only promise he has made that is to apply to his whole time as PM was the one on the age for National Super. Thus Key did not lie about WFF.
                      If you think that this is a lie would you accept that Cunliffe is a liar, because at the 2011 election he campaigned on removing GST from food? Now he says he isn’t going to do so. He must, by your reasoning, have been lying in 2011, mustn’t he?

                    • McFlock

                      This is the fruit you choose to pick out of blips entire tree? A semantic argument that making changes in the 2011 budget does not count as making changes before the 2011 election (as if that was even a qualifier in the original statement, which was part of their labourlite campaign of lies) because the changes wouldn’t impact until after the 2011 election.

                      And even then you can’t tell the difference between not being in a position to backtrack on your promises (because, news flash, they lost the election) and making the promise in order to get into government only to backtrack on it while in that term of government?

                      And no, “the next government could reverse it if they wanted” does not count as “telling the truth”.

                      It’s an interesting argument, I grant you, but you’re still just rolling a turd in glitter and trying to sell me a diamond. It sure doesn’t come close to honesty.

                    • alwyn

                      @McFlock.
                      When I read the comment I was trying to reply to I thought you had put the singular “case”, not the plural “cases” you had actually typed. I was therefore only giving an example.
                      I assure you I have much better things to do than go right through that list showing the flaws in all of them.
                      The truth about the one I did list is that no changes were made that affected what anyone got during the first term, as they promised, and they gave notice of changes that were going to take effect in their second term. If people didn’t really like them they didn’t have to vote for him did they?

                    • McFlock

                      Ah, so there might be actual cases in blips list where key did not in fact lie, mislead, or utter an untruth, but you’re too cool to bovver.

                      I’d like it if you showed an actual flaw in any of them, as in something that you don’t need to squint at sideways in order to argue that our prime minister made a “slip of the tongue” rather than it being clearly obvious to all that he’s an habitual lying prick.

                    • McFlock

                      The truth about the one I did list is that no changes were made that affected what anyone got during the first term, as they promised, and they gave notice of changes that were going to take effect in their second term.

                      See the bit you have to add in order to pretend that LabourLite wasn’t an outright lie?

                      If people didn’t really like them they didn’t have to vote for him did they?

                      Hey – partners go back to their abusive spouses, too. That doesn’t mean that they weren’t lied to.

    • geoff 1.3

      Cunliffe really should have made this clear in his speech.

      Yeah the problem is Cunliffe not pointing out the detail in a broad speech, not National making shit up about Labour :roll:

      Hey I get to use that eye rolley thing twice on you today, Lanth.

      Or are deliberately trying to derail the discussion?

      • Lanthanide 1.3.1

        Maybe you didn’t read everything in my comment, so I’ll post it here again for you.

        It would not have taken much to mention it: announce paid parental leave first, then add the $60 payment for those not receiving paid parental leave.

        Simple. But he didn’t do it.

        Knocking out 50% of the claimed $60/week payment is a *significant* discrepancy.

        I’m not expecting Cunliffe to detail absolutely everything in his speech, but this is a point that should have been mentioned.

        • geoff 1.3.1.1

          So says….the pedant.

          Derailing the discussion with pedantry is still derailing the discussion.

          • Lanthanide 1.3.1.1.1

            It’s not pedantry.

            Cunliffe factually did not mention, on several occasions including the initial unveiling speech, that the $60 payment is not made to those who are on parental leave. The speech was plenty long enough already that claiming he couldn’t fit these little but important details in was impossible is rather disingenuous.

            Whether this is an important point or not does not change the *fact* that on numerous occasions, Cunliffe did not make this clear.

            Now, I think it is an important point, and he should have said it; but on the flipside the media shouldn’t be buying into Key’s spin and repeating it ad-nauseam. This should be little more than a footnote in the discussion of the policy.

            However this is another learning point for Labour. They need to get better at communications. First thing to do is to say “how will National attack this?” and then make adjustments until there are no obvious attack points left and they have rebuttals for anything that needs rebutting.

            • geoff 1.3.1.1.1.1

              So you think Patrick Gower’s reporting was good?

              You thought John Key’s lines on Tv3 this morning were fair enough?

              • Lanthanide

                Once again, I shall repeat a part of my comment because it appears you didn’t actually read it.

                Now, I think it is an important point, and he should have said it; but on the flipside the media shouldn’t be buying into Key’s spin and repeating it ad-nauseam. This should be little more than a footnote in the discussion of the policy.

                Instead of imaging what my position might be, try actually reading the comment to see if my position is already stated.

  2. shorts 2

    quite a number of people taking Gower to task over this on twitter – which is good but unfortunately few will see it

  3. Andrew 3

    There would seem to be some confusion regarding the info-graphic that Jacinda Ardern has put out, where it clearly shows that the “best start” payment starts from birth.

    best start info-graphic

    It clearly states that the $60 payment is for the first year of the child’s life. Nowhere does it mention after 26 weeks paid parental leave.

    • BM 3.1

      Yes, that’s a bit misleading, jeez what a balls up

      • Tracey 3.1.1

        And key should know misleading… he wrote the book aye bm

        Which schools are getting the super principals and when bm?

    • DJ 3.2

      In other words no one has a fucking clue what is going on. Oh dear!

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 3.3

      That Labour infographic clearly and unambiguously shows paid parental leave and the “Best Start” allowance occurring simultaneously.

      Muppets.

  4. SPC 4

    This is an opportunity to state the reasons why the $60 payment is universal in the first year

    1. the parental leave payment is universal
    2. most families do not get parental leave

    • Lanthanide 4.1

      The $60 payment isn’t universal.

      • SPC 4.1.1

        Lanthanide, the parental leave payment is universal because all those working at the time get it (most mothers are not working at the time they get pregnant).

        Universal means no means test. But note universal tax credits do not go to those who get parental leave now. This $60 payment for the first year is now in that category.

      • geoff 4.1.2

        more pedantry from Lanth.

        • Lanthanide 4.1.2.1

          Well hey, if you want to live in a world where the details don’t matter and people can just say whatever and get away with it, then I guess you enjoy being under a National government that promises 170,000 new jobs are coming just around the corner.

  5. fisiani 5

    Another own goal by Labour. Jeez I thought Shearer was useless. The Cunliffe said it would be for the first year of life. No ifs and no buts other than not for the uber-rich. What a PR disaster. Slippery Cunliffe. How many more lies will he tell?

  6. SPC 6

    Zetitic, the issue has been discussed on twitter.

    I got his from a post over on kiwiblog.

    Pete George (20,736 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
    There’s been a lot of debate about this on Twitter, with claims and counterclaims. It seems to have been clarified.

    @patrickgowernz

    Labour dishonest on baby bonus. Blog:http://www.3news.co.nz/Opinion-Labour-dishonest-on-baby-bonus/tabid/1382/articleID/330156/Default.aspx#.UuguycjrLVw.twitter … Labour deliberately misled voters by omission of key details

    Keith Ng ‏@keith_ng
    Gower should’ve read the fact sheet. Cunliffe should’ve been clearer about all the exceptions. These facts are not contradictory.

    Tim Watkin ‏@Tim_Watkin
    But Gower did read the fact sheet and is now reporting a contradiction found therein.

    Keith Ng ‏@keith_ng
    Amendment: Gower should’ve read the fact sheet prior to filing the story. He had five goddamn hours.

    Claire Trevett ‏@CTrevettNZH
    the fact sheets handed out to reporters at the speech were not the fact sheets that contained the PPL bit.

    Keith Ng ‏@keith_ng
    Oh. Fuck. Withdrawn with apologies to @patrickgowernz then.

    It seems that fact sheets handed out at the speech had less facts than the fact sheet that could be found online.

    • geoff 6.1

      Yeah I’m sure the mistake by Labour was deliberate.
      Oh no, it wasn’t. It was a mistake.
      What was deliberate? Key trying to smear the policy by telling lies, again!

      Key the lying liar just cant stop telling lies.

      I love the reaction this policy is getting from the wingnuts. When all those swing-voting, young mums realise that Labour is going to help them out, National….are…fucked. Hee hee its going to be fantastic.

      • TightyRighty 6.1.1

        100% deliberate. All the authorised info graphics show that that’s it was intended to be understood by the average punter to combine PPL and BS (like that?) from when the baby is born.

  7. fisiani 7

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Opinion-Labour-dishonest-on-baby-bonus/tabid/1382/articleID/330156/Default.aspx

    Read it and weep. Total dishonesty from The Cunliffe. Found out to be lying.
    How many heard or read his speech and guessed that the bribe was only half what he promised.

    • SPC 7.1

      You and some journalists seem unaware that those receiving parental leave now do not get universal tax credits at the same time – this would apply to the $60 payment as well.

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 7.2

      Jesus, what a cockup. Just when you think Labour couldn’t possibly get any more incompetent at articulating a message, they come along and prove you wrong.

    • McFlock 7.3

      damn, gower’s throwing a major tanty.

      What the fuck is he, three?

    • mickysavage 7.4

      I am not sure about the utility of responding to Fisi and thinking that he will change his mind but the speech was a generalised statement of the policy, the information released at the time had more detail. Instead of reading out 40 pages of technical material David gave a generalised description. This is not a lie.

      • Lanthanide 7.4.1

        But it wouldn’t have taken him more than a sentence or two to indicate a very important point, that you only get the $60/week payment after the parental leave entitlement has run out.

        He SHOULD have said it.

        • mickysavage 7.4.1.1

          Gee Lanth

          Key announces a $360 mil spend with absolutely no details apart from the number of teachers getting extra pay and their designation and everyone celebrates. Labour comes out with some really detailed policy and some sloppiness in the language for the associated speech is used to attack the policy.

          It is a proposal at this stage. It is not finalised. Of course there needs to be work done in fleshing it out.

          • geoff 7.4.1.1.1

            +1 Mickey

          • emergency mike 7.4.1.1.2

            That’s the issue for me to ms, Key announces a big spend on vaguely defined ‘lead’ ‘expert’ and ‘change’ teachers and the media calls it a winner without pointing out the lack of any meaningful details or evidence that this will do anything to help education.

            Meanwhile Labour announces a detailed solid proposal and Gower has a tantrum because the fine print wasn’t communicated perfectly.

            I don’t see many new parents getting too outraged about missing out on $60 a week if they are getting paid parental leave. Buy hey Paddy, don’t let that stop you howling to the moon.

            • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 7.4.1.1.2.1

              “I don’t see many new parents getting too outraged about missing out on $60 a week if they are getting paid parental leave.”

              +100

          • Lanthanide 7.4.1.1.3

            “It is a proposal at this stage. It is not finalised. Of course there needs to be work done in fleshing it out.”

            But it HAS been fleshed out. Cunliffe just neglected to convey the details that have already been decided.

            • Colonial Viper 7.4.1.1.3.1

              You really are such a “could have, should have.” The real story is of course the blatantly unequal treatment given to Key’s teacher spend up and then to Cunliffe, as MS points out.

              And I would point out that you are doing exactly the same.

              • Lanthanide

                Actually there are a quite a few people in this thread defending Cunliffe and Labour.

                They should not be defending them, because they did screw up, and they should know better.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Nah screw you mate.

                  The point I made about your completely unequal and hypocritical treatment of Cunliffe’s and Key’s recent announcement stands.

                  Did Cunliffe fail to make certain details clear in his speech? Yes. That’s clear. But it was a leadership speech and not a policy bureaucrats’ monologue. The detail was there and it was available on the day.

                  It’s not a fucking hanging offence, and why you are judging how serious a “screw up” it is by Patrick Gower’s and the rest of the MSM’s bullshit hyperbole is beyond me.

                  • Lanthanide

                    It’s not a fucking hanging offence, and why you are judging how serious a “screw up” it is by Patrick Gower’s and the rest of the MSM’s bullshit hyperbole is beyond me.

                    Good, because I never said it was a hanging offense, nor am I judging it by what Gower or the MSM are saying. Here’s a snip from one of my comments earlier in this thread:

                    Now, I think it is an important point, and he should have said it; but on the flipside the media shouldn’t be buying into Key’s spin and repeating it ad-nauseam. This should be little more than a footnote in the discussion of the policy.

                    Once again, it is not like this was a difficult thing to slip into his long speech. Nor was it a minor policy point that was correct to leave out – we’re literally talking about slashing the much-touted payment by 50%. That’s a big deal.

                    Also not sure how I’m being hypocritical about Key’s speech. Did Key gloss over very important details that were pointed out by accompanying written policy notes? Or did they simply not have any written policy notes at all, therefore making your comparison completely specious?

                    Many many times we have right-wing nutjobs coming on here trying to say how what Key/National did is the same as what Shearer/Labour/whoever did and how we’re being hypocritical, and we point out that actually the situations are different in significant respects to make their claims baseless. It seems you’re trying to do the same here, conflating Key’s SoN speech to Cunliffe’s when really the situations are different.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Dude, I’d be a great speech writer too if I could go back in time to the day before a speech is given armed with 20/20 vision of the media reaction.

                    • Markymark

                      + 1 Lanthide.

                    • Lanthanide

                      And yet in subsequent interviews he also failed to mention the PPL aspect of the policy. The printed material produced by Jacinda Ardern also implies that you get $60/week and that PPL isn’t taken into account. They gave out printed policy materials to journalists that failed to include all the relevant information.

                      This is not just about his speech. This is about their whole communications strategy around this policy that they bungled.

                      It would have been *very simple* for Cunliffe to have addressed this in the speech. Introduce the 26 weeks PPL *first*, and then after mentioning the $60/week payment, say that it kicks in after any PPL has finished. Simple. Easy. Not confusing. On-message. You don’t need a time-machine or 20/20 hindsight to do this.

                      At my work I am highly regarded as being able to write clear, comprehensive (although not always concise) descriptions of software issues and proposed solutions, as well as document existing software designs. Part of the approach I take is to think to myself “what are the important points that need to be presented, and what order do they need to go in”. So it is not rocket surgery for me to see how this speech should have been written with regards to this policy, and how I would have written it – and this is *not* hindsight speaking. The 50% reduction in payments is a big oversight to leave out of the speech.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Good suggestions and a clear structure. It is a worry that an opportunity to deliver things better was missed.

                      Nevertheless Cunliffe’s machine is new, the MSM think that THEY are the news, and there’s going to be bugs and a steep learning curve. Move on.

                    • weka

                      “Good, because I never said it was a hanging offense, nor am I judging it by what Gower or the MSM are saying. Here’s a snip from one of my comments earlier in this thread:

                      Now, I think it is an important point, and he should have said it; but on the flipside the media shouldn’t be buying into Key’s spin and repeating it ad-nauseam. This should be little more than a footnote in the discussion of the policy.”

                      Thing is Lanth, your emphasis says different than your words. You focus alot of attention on the fuck up and then you claim that the media should treat it as a footnote, when you are making it the main menu yourself. It’s not the first time you have done this with an issue, but I’m not sure if you are aware of it. It makes sense that people would react to the presentation.

                      fwiw, I’m defending Labour against the idea they intentionally misled the media and that Cunfliffe lied. Which is annoying because I’d much rather be criticising them for the blunder. Nevertheless, it’s a good policy and deserves more attention paid to that than the mistake.

                    • Lanthanide

                      I belabour issues to get my specific point across, weka, which in turn distorts how people perceive what it is that I’m saying because they think I’m getting overly worked up over the issue (or something). Actually I’m just trying to be precise – see what I said above about writing clear and comprehensive, although not always concise, descriptions of issues?

                      Not much I feel I can really do it about it. I say enough to ensure I get my point across. If I said less I wouldn’t feel like I’d made my point adequately.

                      fwiw, I’m defending Labour against the idea they intentionally misled the media and that Cunfliffe lied. Which is annoying because I’d much rather be criticising them for the blunder. Nevertheless, it’s a good policy and deserves more attention paid to that than the mistake.

                      Completely agree. I have also defended Labour about it not being a deliberate attempt to mislead anyone. I have also criticised them for the blunder, obviously.

                      One thing I have noticed is that Joyce’s immediate “where’s the money coming from” line is no longer getting any air time, which is good.

                    • felix

                      “I belabour issues to get my specific point across”

                      :D

        • Tracey 7.4.2.1

          Which schools are getting the super principals and when?

          • fender 7.4.2.1.1

            To qualify one must send pic of completed voting form to Nat HQ on voting day..

            • Anne 7.4.2.1.1.1

              One must also send a dentist’s certificate confirming teeth are laser white and even. This is a prerequisite for anyone associated with the National Party (not just MPs) and includes super-teacher principals.

            • felix 7.4.2.1.1.2

              Bill nailed it. Any teacher/principal who uncritically endorsed National Standards and was happy to “teach the test” will be given the authority to whip the others into submission.

  8. Sabine Ford 8

    Note to Labour,

    the Media is not your friend. The media will be your friend maybe, once you have won and/or paid them off. Repeat, Rinse, Repeat and finally accept it.

    Note to Cunliffe,

    you can not abolish child hood poverty while ignoring the poor Parents or Parents to be. Raise the minimum wage for a starter. For all that are working the minimum wage….not just those with children. And when presenting policies that might be a bit harder to understand than ‘raise the minimum wage’ speak clearly, pronounce properly and leave nothing out.

    I am quite frankly sick and tired to see the Taxes subsidize Corporations that only pay minimum wage. Because this is what we are doing.

    Oh, and another way to combat childhood poverty….Jobs, for all those unemployed and underemployed. Full Time Jobs that pay at least 15$ minimum wage.

    Now that is something even the laziest Journo would understand.

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      An immediate increase to $15/hr minimum wage has already been well signalled by Cunliffe and the detail didn’t need to be in the speech again.

  9. captain hook 9

    Whata lot of tripe from fissiwho. Puting words in peoples mouth is the same as lying and you should be ashamed of yourself.
    David Cunliffe is trying to do something for the most underprivileged people in new zealand and all you can do is poormouth. Shame on you.
    and as fo rhte media they are too cute for words.
    last night on TV1 when they were doing a cringing apology for Whale Boil they had a piccy of len brown on whale boils monitor.
    The msm seem to be getting as sleazy as that monster.

  10. Mickey 10

    Yep another cluster f#@k from Cunliffe, and now Clarks ban facebook gaffe, it gets better and better.
    How can anyone trust these clowns to run the country.

    • greywarbler 10.1

      Mickey, short for mickey mouse? Clowns have to be funny to stay in their jobs. Politicians aren’t asked to be funny and neither are commenters who come here. Not even calling yourself mickey is amusing. If you want to stay, and be funny, earn your stripes as you have to be funnier than that. I suggest you go back to the circus and practise your gymnastics and Cirque du Soleil or whoever may snap you up.

    • Colonial Viper 10.2

      Yet you trust John Key, a guy who cant remember what he had for breakfast. Or deliberately lies about not remembering.

      • the pigman 10.2.1

        Give Keys a break, he just hasn’t read what’s in the report about him lying yet. Nor spoken to himself about his alleged lying yet. And eckshully he probably doesn’t need to have that conversation because he is ruhlexed and has full confidence in himself.

  11. Rodel 11

    Lot of women don’t get paid parental leave. They will benefit immediately.
    Women who do get parental leave, will benefit when it’s needed.
    Simple as that. Wonder what part of that don’t the desperate Tories understand?
    Desperate arguments by our right wingers sound like the spin of Hannity and O’reilly on F** news.

  12. SPC 12

    The issue

    Cunliffe said that the 60,000 families that had a child each year would benefit from the near universal (to $150,000 pa – it should have been universal) roll out in year one.

    TV3 journo’s were first wondering if the $150,000 income was that including both incomes before the child birth or after, looking for the detail.

    Then looking into the matter of whether the $25,000 pa rate parental leave payment as factored in after the child’s birth (thus $150,000 to $125,000 other partner and investment income).

    But before they got answers to these questions Cunliffe left the “press conference”.

    The difference between the two fact sheets, the one on-line had more detail than the one given to journalists must have wound them up a little more.

    Journo’s were trying to do their jobs and this was an inconvenience – but the reaction to infer that they had been deliberately mislead was a little spiteful and unprofessional. It is a claim made without any evidence.

    • mickysavage 12.1

      The real issue is that this is a first go at the formulation of policy in a complicated area.

      On one hand Labour is being criticised for it being too generous so that a family previously earning more than $150k per year may qualify and on the other hand they are being criticised for being not generous enough. Swings and roundabouts SPK …

  13. George D 13

    Cunliffe and his team screwed this up.

    Among the most important rules of politics is that you must be able to explain the policy to a six-year old (or have very good reasons why this is not the case). When it is a headline policy to start your election year, this should be doubly so.

    tl;dr – what Lanthanide said.

    • weka 13.1

      Yes, they screwed up. Do you think they lied and deliberately misled the media and the public?

      • Michael S 13.1.1

        Yes. I believe he deliberately tried to mislead. If he didn’t it means he did not understand the policy.
        He said today he wasn’t responsible for that section of the speech. But he must have read it before delivery, so why say it as written if he knew it was wrong.

        • mickysavage 13.1.1.1

          Welcome Michael. I do not believe you have commented before.

          What a stupid thing to say.

          Do you have any proof?

          And why?

          The policy is broadly in line with what was proposed.

  14. captain hook 14

    What a lot of crap from geroge d. A 6 year old cant read properly because national standards doesn’t work and they cant understand policy anyway.
    Stop repeating this nonsense.
    David Cunliffes plank is clear, plain and simple to understand.
    anyway back to the chase the media in New Zealand are chosen for their hair and teeth and not for their ability.
    and like most narcissists they are tinpot tories to boot.

  15. BLiP 15

    In a play straight out of the Crosby/Textor Manual of Dark Arts, John Key accuses his opponent of the very thing he himself is practising . . .

    Prime Minister John Key has launched a scathing attack on Labour leader David Cunliffe’s credibility, calling him “tricky” and questioning whether he’s been telling the public the truth . . .

    . . . meanwhile:

    John Key’s Big List Of Lies

    I promise to always be honest

    we are not going to sack public servants, the attrition rate will reduce costs

    there’s no way one in five New Zealanders will lose their jobs

    we are not going to cut working for families

    I firmly believe in climate change and always have

    We seek a 50% reduction in New Zealand’s carbon-equivalent net emissions, as compared to 1990 levels, by 2050. 50 by 50. We will write the target into law.

    National Ltd™ will provide a consistent incentive for both biofuel and biodiesel by exempting them from excise tax or road user charges

    I didn’t know about The Bretheren election tactics

    If they came to us now with that proposal [re trans-Tasman Therapeutic Goods regime], we will sign it

    I can’t remember my position on the 1981 Springbok Tour

    Tranzrail shares

    I did not mislead the House (1)

    Lord Ashcroft

    National Ltd™ would not have sent troops into Iraq

    Standard & Poors credit downgrade

    the double-down grade doesn’t really matter and its only about private sector debt

    I did not mislead the House (2)

    I didn’t say I want wages to drop

    I can’t remember why I voted against increasing the minimum wage

    lifting the minimum wage to $15 an hour will increase unemployment

    the real rate of inflation is 3.3 percent.

    the tourism sector has not lost 7,000 jobs

    no I have never heard of Whitechapel

    I won’t raise GST

    people who are on the average wage and have a child are $48 a week better off after the rise in GST

    the purchase of farmland, by overseas buyers will be limited to ten farms per purchase

    the Pike River Mine was consented to under a Labour Government

    no promises were made to get the remains of the miners out of the Pike River mine

    I did not provide a view on the safety of the Pike River coalmine

    I did not mislead the House (3)

    capping, not cutting the public service

    raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour will cost 6000 jobs

    north of $50 a week

    privatisation won’t significantly help the economy

    wave goodbye to higher taxes, not your loved ones

    I never offered Brash a diplomatic job in London

    Tariana Turia is “totally fine” with the Tuhoe Treaty Claim deal

    Kiwisaver

    National Ltd™ is not going to radically reorganise the structure of the public sector

    tax cuts won’t require additional borrowing

    New Zealand does not have a debt problem

    New Zealand troops in Afghanistan will only be involved in training, not fighting

    the wage gap between New Zealand and Australia has closed under my National Ltd™ government

    It took 9 years for Labour to make a complete and utter mess of the economy

    National Ltd™ has changed the Overseas Investment Act to include 19 different criteria

    the price of goods and services has risen by 6 percent since the last election, while the after-tax average wage has actually gone up by 16 percent

    no, although its a week ago and here I am being interviewed on television about them, I havn’t seen Gerry Brownlee’s comments regarding demolitions in Christchurch and which caused such outrage, but I can talk all about them

    our SAS soldiers were not involved in the Kabul Hotel gunfight

    the use of the Vela brother’s helicopter was required so I could attend meetings relating to national/international security concerns

    the DPS makes the decision about accompanying the Prime Minister or not, I had no choice but to take them on holiday to Hawaii

    I did not mislead the House (4)

    oh, maybe our SAS soldiers were in the Kabul hotel gun fight but they weren’t wounded by friendly fire

    New Zealand has lost $12 billion from GDP due to the Christchurch earthquake . . . oh, it might actually be around $15 billion from GDP due to the Christchurch earthquake . . . Blinglish said what?

    10,000 houses will have to be demolished in Christchurch due to the earthquake

    14,000 new apprentices will start training over the next five years, over and above the number previously forecast

    our amendments to the ETS ensure we will continue to do our fair share internationally

    we are committed to honouring our Kyoto Protocol obligations

    any changes to the ETS will be fiscally neutral

    New Zealand has grown for eight of the last nine quarters”

    National Ltd™ will tender out the government banking contract

    we will be back in surplus by 2014-15

    Nicky Hager’s book “Other People’s Wars” is a work of fiction

    unemployment is starting to fall

    we have created 60,000 jobs

    we have created 45,000 jobs

    the 2011 Budget will create in the order of 170,000 jobs

    I don’t know if I own a vineyard

    no, I did not mislead the House (5)

    the Isreali spy killed in the Christchurch quake had “only one” passport

    the Police will not need to make savings by losing jobs

    I voted to keep the drinking age at 20

    New Zealand is 100% Pure

    I’ve been prime minister for four years, and it’s really 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year

    baseball in New Zealand is attracting more government support

    the decision to buy brand new BMWs was made by the Department of Internal Affairs without reference either to their minister or to me

    I didn’t have a clue that Ministerial Services, which I am in charge of, was going to buy brand new BMWs

    even though four of my ministers knew all about it, I didn’t have a clue that brand new BMWs were being bought.

    even though my Chief of Staff met with officials to discuss purchase of the the brand new BMWs, I didn’t have a clue

    even though I personally signed papers discussing the matter, I still didn’t have a clue

    Labour forced us into buying the brand new BMWs, its their fault

    ummm, look, sorry about that BMW thing , it was because I was so upset

    I did not describe David Beckam as thick as batshit

    I did not mislead the House (6)

    the public demanded that we change the labour laws for The Hobbit

    “The Hobbit” created 3000 new jobs

    we have delivered 800 extra doctors in the public service

    I did not mislead the House (7)

    I wasn’t working at Elders when the sham foreign exchange deals took place

    I was starting School Certificate exams in 1978

    I don’t know who arrived on the CIA jet to visit the spies I am responsible for

    reducing barriers to property developers will increase the availability of affordable housing

    Labour left the economy in poor shape

    forecasts show unemployment will fall

    we have closed the wage gap with Australia by $27

    Ngati Porou and Whanau Apanui are not opposed to mining

    I have not had any meetings with Media Works

    our [NZ's] terms of trade remain high

    the TPPA is an example of democracy

    the TPPA will still have to be ratified by Parliament

    National Ltd™ will use the proceeds of state asset sales to invest in other public assets, like schools and hospitals

    New Zealand troops will be out of Afghanistan by April 2013

    overseas investment in New Zealand adds to what New Zealanders can invest on their own

    overseas investment in New Zealand creates jobs, boosts incomes, and helps the economy grow

    National Ltd™ will build 2000 houses over the next two years

    there are only 4 New Zealand SAS soldiers in Bamiyan and all working in the area of logistics and planning only

    selling state assets will give cash equity to those companies

    the Sky City deal will provide 1000 construction jobs and 800 casino jobs

    all five bidders for the convention centre were treated equally

    my office has had no correspondence, no discussions, no involvement with the Sky City deal

    I did not mislead the House (8)

    I can’t remember what was discussed at my meeting with the SkyCity Chief Executive on 14 May 2009

    I have no record of the 12 November 2009 email from Treasury advising that the SkyCity deal was dodgy and needed to be referred to the Auditor General

    there was nothing improper about the Sky City deal

    SkyCity will only get “a few more” pokie machines at the margins

    any changes to gambling regulations will be subject to a full public submission process

    Sky City has approached TVNZ about the purchase/use of government-owned land

    I did not mislead the House (9)

    this government has been very transparent about all its dealings with SkyCity

    I did not mislead the House (10)

    the Auditor General has fully vindicated National over the Sky City deal

    I did not mislead the House (11)

    the Deputy Auditor General supports the view that there was nothing inappropriate about the Sky City deal

    I did not mislead the House (12)

    I did not breach the confidentiality of the Auditor General’s Report into the Sky City deal

    the Labour Government did exactly the same sort of deal back in 2001

    Labour has promised to not revoke the Sky City legislation

    there’s a 50/50 chance the Hobbit is going off shore unless we do something

    David Shearer has signed up for the purchase of shares in Mighty River

    Solid Energy asked the government for a $1 billion capital investment

    fracking has been going safely on in Taranaki for the past 30 years without any issues

    no frontline positions will be lost at DOC

    Iain Rennie came to me and recommended Fletcher for the GCSB job

    I told Cabinet that I knew Ian Fletcher

    I forgot that after I scrapped the shortlist for GCSB job I phoned a life-long friend to tell him to apply for the position

    I told Iain Rennie I would contact Fletcher

    I haven’t seen Ian Fletcher in a long time.

    I did not mislead the House (13)

    I have no reason to doubt at this stage that Peter Dunne did not leak the GCSB report

    I called directory service to get Ian Fletcher’s number

    the new legislation narrows the scope of the GCSB

    the GCSB has been prevented from carrying out its functions because of the law governing its functions

    because the opposition is opposed the GCSB law ammendments, parliamentary urgency is required

    the increasing number of cyber intrusions which I can’t detail or discuss prove that the GCSB laws need to be extended to protect prive enterprise

    it was always the intent of the GCSB Act to be able to spy on New Zealanders on behalf of the SIS and police

    National Ltd™ is not explanding the activities of the GCSB with this new law

    cyber terrorists have attempted to gain access to information about weapons of mass destruction held on New Zealand computers

    the law which says the GCSB cannot spy on New Zealanders is not clear

    it totally incorrect that the Government effectively through GCSB will be able to wholesale spy on New Zealanders

    we self identified that there was a problem with the GCSB spying on Kim Dotcom

    the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was an isolated incident

    The advice I have had in 4 years as a Minister is that in no way ever has there been an indication of unlawful spying

    the Ministerial Warrant signed by Bill English did not cover anything up

    first I heard I heard about Kim Dotcom was on 19 January 2012

    first I heard about the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was in 17 September

    I did not mislead the House (14)

    I won’t be discussing Kim Dotcom during my Hollywood visit.

    The Human Rights Commission couldn’t get its submission on the GCSB legislation in on time.

    it would cost too much to for the police and SIS to carry out the spying on New Zealanders that this new legislation will permit

    critics of the GCSB legislation, including the Law Society, the Human Rights Commission, and the Privacy Commission, are all uninformed

    no, I did not mislead the House (15)

    I do not know how Mr Henry is conducting the Enquiry

    no, I did not mislead the House (16)

    the Henry Enquiry had permission to view Ministers’ emails

    no, I did not mislead the House (??)

    we do not spy on journalists

    the passing of phone records to the Henry Enquiry was an error on the part of a contractor

    I wasn’t aware that my own Chief of Staff was instructing Parliamentary Services to hand over information concerning journalist Andrea Vance

    National Ltd™ has never tried to impinge on the role of the media

    I had nothing to do with information on a journalist being handed over to the inquiry into the leaking of the GCSB report

    the terms of the enquiry made it clear to everyone that it was only the phone records of parliamentary staff and ministers that were to be provided

    I have the utmost respect for the media and the role it plays in New Zealand’s democracy

    the Henry Enquiry did not access a journalist’s building-access records

    the Henry Enquiry did not ask for phone and email records

    no, I did not mislead the House (17)

    the Greens are opposed to the GCSB and the SIS even existing

    the GCSB needs to spy on New Zealanders because there are al-Qaeda terrorists in New Zealand

    John Minto is in the Green Party

    the GCSB needs to spy on New Zealanders because of the terrorist threat, even though official reports released over my signature say there is no risk and the SIS has the matter in hand

    the GCSB Bill does not give the GCSB the power to look at the content of communications as part of its cyber-security functions

    no, I did not mislead the House (18)

    there will be no mining on Conservation land in the Corromendel

    no, I did not say we would follow the US and Australia into a war against North Korea

    New Zealand has an arrangement to have asylum seekers processed in Australian detention camps

    I did not mislead the house (19)

    I paid for that lunch and I’ve got the credit card bill to prove it

    I am honest and upfront

    the only way net new jobs can be created is by private investors putting their money into businesses in New Zealand

    you can’t hide if yuu’re Prime Minister

    an increase in the number of people looking for work indicates that confidence is returning to the economy

    the 10 percent of taxpayers in New Zealand who are the top earners pay 76 percent of all net personal tax.

    I did not mislead the House (20)

    the substantial wage growth under Labour was eroded by inflation

    National Ltd™’s 2010 tax changes were fiscally neutral

    I did not mislead the House (21)

    the bulk of New Zealanders earn between $45,000 and $75,000 a year

    Pike River Coal did not put profits and its production ahead of the safety and lives of those 29 workers.

    Radio Live had sought advice from the Electoral Commission about my show just before the election

    it is because of National Ltd™’s policies that the price of fresh fruit and vegetables has dropped.

    the length-of-the-country cycleway will create 4000 jobs.

    police training for next year has not been cancelled

    National Ltd™ has only cut back-office jobs in the health service

    The Crown’s dividend stream from the Meridians, the Mighty Rivers of the world is large and there is no motivation to sell assets; actually we’re about creating assets not selling assets.”

    National believes employment law should treat all parties fairly. It should . . . Protect employees and employers.

    I am not trying to tackle such issues in a “fearful” way ahead of the next election

    Wellington City is dying.

    National Ltd™ has been working on a number of things with New Zealand First on a number of things one of which has a financial component but I can’t talk about it

    the best way to get growth in the economy is to reduce public debt

    New Zealand mum and dad investors will be our number one priority in the allocation of Mighty River shares

    we won’t let “cowboy” oil exploration companies operate here in New Zealand

    the Green Party is racist by not allowing Chinese residents in New Zealand to buy a house

    the Labour Party is promising a four-bedroom house in Auckland for $300,000

    the food in schools programme is in the 2013 budget

    the meat exports are being held up in China because of issues in relation to the Chinese looking to trace counterfeit meat

    its notoriously difficult to win three elections in a row

    I am deeply concerned about every child in New Zealand who is in poverty

    there is no manufacturing crisis in New Zealand

    the government’s exposure to MediaWorks’ going into receivership is reasonably limited

    the money from the sale of state assets will not be used to prop up Solid Energy

    I don’t see a place for a Winston Peters-led New Zealand First in a government that I lead. It’s not a matter of political convenience, it’s a matter of political principle.

    The vast majority of the buildings in Christchurch came through the earthquakes in good shape

    the commemoration of New Zealand’s involvement in the Korean War will not be used to bolster trade talks

    third generation Chinese New Zealanders will be required to present their passport before buying a house under the Labour government

    the Labour housing policy is an attempt by David Shearer to save his leadership

    the Labour housing policy is in breach of free trade agreements

    only 2% of the proceeds of the sale of Mighty River will be spent on the sales process

    David Cunliffe is lying to you

    Labour wants to nationalise the super market industry

    The government will engage in no further negotiations with Rio Tinto

    Without a government subsidy of hundreds of millions of dollars Chorus will go broke

    No, I did not mislead the House (??)

    the justice system is already adequate for handling situations involving new evidence

    my Minister Nick Smith was not aware of the content of the leaked draft submission on the Ruataniwha situation until 17 September

    New Zealand First will nationalise a host of industries and businesses

    I have no responsibility for the statements I make

    Mark Mitchell was just gossiping at a cocktail party when he tipped Webster off about Len Brown’s affair

    it was a lack of external analysis and accountability which put Solid Energy into its debt crisis

    the Commerce Commission misinterpreted the law when deciding the price for access to the Chorus copper infrastructure

    no analyist predicted that the cost of access to the copper infrastructure would go down

    there has been only one problem with oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico

    If it was my vote, it would be no pay increases for Mps

    Greenpeace are just scare mongering about any oil leaks off the New Zealand coast

    For every election for the last five elections , we have had royal visitors to New Zealand.

    No decision has been made on the timing of the sale of Air New Zealand shares

    its not true that in New Zealand the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer

    This summer is the most active season ever for oil and gas exploration, with the industry spending up to $750 million. At the same time, the Government is strengthening the regulations that govern drilling, particularly in deep water.

    Labour is trying to mislead people about eligibility for Best Start because they don’t get the payment while they also get paid parental leave.

    • KJT 15.1

      Or. More simply put.

      “How do you know when Key is lying?

      His mouth is open…”

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 15.2

      tl; dr

      • McFlock 15.2.1

        too many syllables in the words, I guess.

        The nice thing about that list is that even reading a few of them demonstrates that dunnokeyo’s lying is many times more habitual than the entirety of labgrn combined.

    • geoff 15.3

      BOOM, and there it is. Nice one BliP, was hoping you might do that.

      Be great to mail that list out to all New Zealanders around election time.
      Wonder if we could rope the Brethrens in to help us?

      • freedom 15.3.1

        or
        maybe we crowd-source a basic and sporadic poster campaign and take Blip’s List to the people

        pretty sure the companies who do the paste ups would be ok with it, and we know then they are pretty safe, (although for the dedicated poster grabber they become instant collector items)

        they may even cut us a good $ deal too

        so to get Blip’s List public we need:

        ; the data – check

        ; Layout and formatting
        – I think i just saw a couple of dozen hands go up
        – perhaps they all put one together and we have Standardistas choose the preferred design
        – It would be good to print the links in full under each line
        – people will snap images of the poster with their phones so it is useful to include the info

        ; a call to Sticky Fingers to fix a contract price & terms
        – i think they cover paste ups for all the main centers now

        ; approximately a couple of grand for printing a whole bunch of posters,
        – I am guessing that price would be generously supported by the printers
        – posters can be printed in whatever center that they end up in so freight is not necessary

        seems pretty doable to me

        I pledge $20 here and now
        (which is 9% of my income this week)

        • geoff 15.3.1.1

          I love that concept!

          The font size of the lies on the list would have to be so small to fit on a poster that people would have to come nice and close to the poster to read it and that would help engage them.

          Have a nice big title and then the endless list of lies in tiny font underneath.

          You could have one of those new-fangled box shaped barcodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code) that people snap with their camera phones that takes them to a website with more info on the lies.

          Maybe a page title like, “We don’t care who you vote for, but for pete’s sake don’t vote for National!”

        • BLiP 15.3.1.2

          I’ll chuck in $50. Over the weekend I’ll have a look at that indie-gogo site and see what’s what. Perhaps we can rope lprent in to run the money side of things and maybe set aside a wee space on The Standard where people can link to. I don’t have a clue how those bar code thingywotsits work but it can’t be that tricky. I’ve been having some fun with with Gimp lately so I’ll also see if I can come up with a design for consideration. What say we catch up for a chat on Saturday’s “Open Mike” around 6pm-ish?

          • Colonial Viper 15.3.1.2.1

            I wonder if someone could do a Twitter account thing.

            2 or 3 times a day it tweets out some discrete element of the BS from Key, English or some other Cabinet member or their hatchet team.

            You’d probably want to start with a list of about 150 items and then build from there as the year went on.

            Would love to have that pretty boy’s disaster on Campbell Live linked to and tweeted out, for instance.

            I reckon we could get 10,000 followers by E-Day and a shit load of regular retweets out to 10x that number.

          • geoff 15.3.1.2.2

            Brilliant Blip!
            I can’t make it on Sat night but i can read the thread after the fact.
            This will be so cool if it can happen.

          • freedom 15.3.1.2.3

            Saturday sounds like a good plan Blip,
            I am hanging a new show this weekend but will try to check in, if I can’t join you all I will play catch up later. Either way, I will play around with some roughs next week.

          • lprent 15.3.1.2.4

            Perhaps we can rope lprent in to run the money side of things and maybe set aside a wee space on The Standard where people can link to. I don’t have a clue how those bar code thingywotsits work but it can’t be that tricky.

            No problems with any of that. The QR stuff is easy enough.

            I and/or TS will be happy to chip in a dollop of cash as well.

          • Cleo George 15.3.1.2.5

            Well done Blip! The truth about Key’s lies.

            Consider emailing the list with the lies and their links, to the parliamentary email addresses of all the MPs of all the non nat/act parties for their education and use.

        • Tracey 15.3.1.3

          I will put in 200. Let me know when and how. Paypal?

    • Tracey 15.4

      Thats different

    • Bill 15.5

      That list. If I’d the money, I’d flesh out or summarise the info from each link so that it fitted on – oh, I dunno – say, individual tissues of toilet paper. Then produce the whole lot in six packs of ‘extra long’ toilet rolls.

    • (a different) Pete 15.6

      And this relates to the topic under discussion … how exactly? Calling Key a liar has no relevance to the matter of whether Cunliffe made a mistake or not. Also for those of you who like to blame the media for this, you are making a mistake. I suspect that if you were a fly on the wall in a national party gathering that they would be complaining just as bitterly about the media.
      Time to lose the chip on the shoulder about whether Labour/Cunliffe is getting fair treatment and focus on doing a better job.
      Most of the comments here are just far too defensive. Take it on the chin, fix it and move on.

      [Bill: Pete, I've asked you before to change your handle since there is already a 'Pete' commenting on 'ts'. Please do it. Cheers]

      • Bill 15.6.1

        Just a reply to bring your attention to the above edit.

      • Pete 15.6.2

        Ok will do. I ignored it because I had been commenting here off and on for a while under that handle. But, no problem. Does that mean you want me to repost this under a different handle, or post all future responses under a new name?

        [lprent: Thanks. Just use a different handle - anything that is readily identifiable as being 'different'. Even "pete" would be enough - caps are easily distinguishable. We allow Rob and r0b for instance. ]

    • Will@Welly 15.7

      BLiP – your “words” are lovely. Every so often, you pop up, and refresh the conversation.
      I’d have you as an “honourary” M.P., just to keep them all honest.
      How could one not help but contribute to see BLiP’s words in print, or up on Billboards – that’d really brass Key & co off !! Damn fine idea !

  16. Xtasy 16

    The truth is that the mainly government friendly and even in many cases Key and government praising “mainstream media” staff (overseen by their editor bosses), are in too many cases partly incompetent, or lazy and simply NOT doing their jobs. Some apparently never read published releases of policy or press releases and other statements in detail.

    Others even twist and manipulate the truth, by using information selectively, by using certain, hand-picked data, and simply ignoring other relevant data. There are sadly some media “personalities” that are personally quite biased, and what they do has not much to do with traditional journalism. Uttering personal opinions has become common, when “reporting”, and this is unacceptable conduct for a good, professional and ethical journalist.

    So no wonder we get what we get, and as most are paid by their particular “paymasters” in corporate, privately owned and operated media outlets, they do not dare to bite the hand that feeds them, that also has certain “expectations” in “standards” to be followed.

    Who of them bothered to dissect and analyse the ‘SON’ speech by John Key, as that was full of untruths, half truths and twisted figures and other details. It was rather John Key “misleading” the public, than I suppose David Cunliffe.

    I sense an apparently increasing, almost “contagious” level of unacceptable “bias”, I am afraid.

    Hence we need the restoration of robust, balanced, more responsible public broadcasting media, and community based reporting and discussing of matters of relevance to New Zealanders. Social media can only do this so much.

  17. Blue 17

    Why the hell would anyone even assume that people would get both paid parental leave AND Best Start at the same time? You’d have to be a moron to think any government would allow double-dipping in this way.

    My guess is that DC didn’t state it in his speech because it’s so fucking obvious it doesn’t really need stating unless you are mentally deficient in the first place.

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 17.1

      Then Labour shouldn’t have been distributing material showing the baby bonus and parental leave happening simultaneously starting at birth, and Labour should have corrected the reporters when they reported what Cunliffe had said – Labour knowing that what Cunliffe had said was not literally true.

      • geoff 17.1.1

        I spose what’s most hilarious about the whole thing is Key trying to make out Cunliffe as untrustworthy.
        Key! Mr porkies himself! I spose he has that memory problem though so it’s no wonder he can’t remember the hundreds of lies he’s told NZ.

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 17.1.1.1

          +1 It is a breath-taking case of projection and hypocrisy.

          • emergency mike 17.1.1.1.1

            “It is a breath-taking case of projection and hypocrisy.”

            As well as that, when you are an untrustworthy liar yourself, calling your opponent an untrustworthy liar is just common sense.

      • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 17.1.2

        Weak SHG.

        ‘Wah wah, Labour shouldn’t have…bleat bleat’

        Who is to say Labour hasn’t corrected reporters reporting nonsense?
        What a pity that it has got to the point that a political party has to spend their precious time checking the accuracy of our media.
        When will our media take reporting accurately seriously?

    • Rodel 17.2

      Blue
      Absolutely!..Blindingly obvious…but then English and Key would assume double dipping is normal ethics wouldn’t they?

    • Anne 17.3

      I’ve been confused about this claim Blue because I was at the SoN speech, and Cunliffe stated parents would not start receiving Best Start until the “paid parental leave” was completed. He said it more than once to make sure every-one was clear about it. If he didn’t say it then I’m going bonkers. :(

      The problem was a poorly phrased paragraph in the Fact Sheet. I saw it online and it would have been hard to fathom what it was supposed to mean. But the media knew what it meant because they were there – unless they weren’t listening to Cunliffe. This isn’t the first time this sort of thing has happened and I suggest the Labour Party put in place a robust proof-reading system before anything ends up in the public arena. Either that, or employ people who know how to properly word documents.

      Edit: I see Disraeli Gladstone (love the pseudonym) below has made similar points. He/she is right!

      • karol 17.3.1

        I’ve been confused about this claim Blue because I was at the SoN speech, and Cunliffe stated parents would not start receiving Best Start until the “paid parental leave” was completed. He said it more than once to make sure every-one was clear about it. If he didn’t say it then I’m going bonkers.

        I was there. I don’t remember that. And it isn’t in the printed version of Cunliffe’s speech.

        • Anne 17.3.1.1

          Well, I remember him mentioning the 26 weeks parental leave and the Best Start programme more or less one after the other, and putting two and two together – correctly as it has turned out to be. Maybe it was just luck… but that is what I came away believing he said. Perhaps it was common sense kicking in.

          Was the printed version a verbatim account of what Cunliffe said? He actually spoke without any notes that I could see.

  18. Disraeli Gladstone 18

    Nope, sorry. Key is being an opportunist prick, yes. The media is beating up on Labour more than they would if this was a National mistake, yes.

    But it’s still a cock-up.

    It seems like there were two different fact sheets and the one given to the media (an earlier copy) had less facts. Why? How hard is it to make sure you have the proper fact sheet to give out and not give journalists who often tear you down a draft? A draft with holes in.

    Cunliffe was clear in his speech that it was $60 a week for the first year that your baby was born. Yes, I agree with the point that you shouldn’t delve into all the fine print of a policy within a speech. That would be stupid. You know what else is stupid? Not pointing out that the first year may in fact only be HALF of that year due to paid paternal leave.

    Ugh. It’s hard to believe but the sense of amateur hour within the top office at Labour has only increased since Shearer left.

    Someone get Malcolm Tucker in or something.

    • Lanthanide 18.1

      +++

    • burt 18.2

      Exactly, and it seems the cover-up for this stuff up is just about as feeble as the initial mistake.

      The problem is the so-called hidden information is actually right there on the first page of the factsheet Labour put up on line when policy was announced:

      I wonder why Zet specifically referred to the online fact sheet rather than the printed version given to reporters ?????

      [lprent: Don't be a dickhead burt, a moments thought would have given you the answer. Because he isn't a reporter? Like me he relies on what is visible from the net. ]

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 18.3

      Ugh. It’s hard to believe but the sense of amateur hour within the top office at Labour has only increased since Shearer left.

      Staggering, isn’t it ?

    • greywarbler 18.4

      Okay there was some confusion. But it was great to hear some positive new social policy.
      So next time David could give out the general info and hand out the details printed on fact sheets for the journalists so it’s incontrovertible evidence – there could even be an 0800 number to phone if they are unsure about anything. There would be less wiggle room then to weave little stories.

      David isn’t Superman, mixed with Gandalf. But he may get to where he bars Key with his magic staff and say “You shall not pass”. We could get a local doco maker to trace the battle through the year and capture the great moment on film at the end. That would be a finale! So let’s put on our hairy feet and get into training. And we won’t go into spins when there is something that ain’t perfect. We’ll be learning and moving on and upwards.

    • Anne 18.5

      I’m sure Cunliffe mentioned the Best Start programme kicking in after the 26 weeks parental leave Disraeli Gladstone.

  19. Rob 19

    To put it plainly, both sides (Labour & the media) have learnt a lot from this and will no doubt approach the next big policy release quite differently.

    Any residual honeymoon that remained from the leadership change with general media has evaporated.

    • McFlock 19.1

      thanks for your concern

      • Rob 19.1.1

        No concern McFlock at all, just a dawning reality that not much has changed at all with all the changes.

        • McFlock 19.1.1.1

          True that – no matter what policies labour comes up with, the media will always report it unfairly and other folk will always pretend that the slightest inconsistency or imprecision is a yawning chasm that will lose the Left the next election.

        • Anne 19.1.1.2

          …not much has changed at all with all the changes.

          Some truth in that – where the media is concerned.

    • Tracey 19.2

      Hi rob

      Which schools are getting the first super principals and when? WHAT is the criteria for getting one. Key didnt say and I cant find it in the media follow up. An important detail I think. Spending 359m and all

  20. Tracey 20

    Patrick gower tweeted @publicaddress @@rsalmond Agreed. Still big impact policy, nothing to be ashamed of

  21. burt 21

    Lets all get excited about how many different welfare entitlements are available and how they interact together for new parents. I know that reducing taxes for everyone and having benefits that are universal and simple will not enable Labour to stack the public service with newly created jobs. Jobs that take from the same people it gives back to in some form of merry-go-round that looks good to dim-bulb half thinkers.

    But for F-sake – how can anyone be stupid enough to support further complications of the benefit and tax system. It’s already a playground for anyone with a good accountant and a way of shuffling income between themselves, a company and/or a trust.

  22. tricledrown 22

    Burt your 1/2 right how many families are going to miss out very few just make it universal ang inccrease tax to cover.
    This is policy to aleviate child poverty and not create a poverty
    trap.
    Research out of China has shown that a family with an income of $8,000 per child guaratees that child has a 90%+ rate of sucess as an adult .
    So low income is proven to be the major factor in child povertu.
    Just giving across the board tax cuts isn’t going to fix the problem.

  23. tricledrown 23

    Burt your 1/2 right how many families are going to miss out very few just make it universal ang inccrease tax to cover.
    This is policy to aleviate child poverty and not create a poverty
    trap.
    Research out of China has shown that a family with an income of $8,000 per child guaratees that child has a 90%+ rate of sucess as an adult .
    So low income is proven to be the major factor in child povertu.
    Just giving across the board tax cuts isn’t going to fix the problem.

    • burt 23.1

      tricledrown

      So if I was earning $45K and my QC partner $3m/year and she decided to take a year off with a baby ?

      We’ll get $60/week – because we are poor ?

      • mickysavage 23.1.1

        Yep but what are the chances of you even applying if your finances are in that condition?

      • weka 23.1.2

        “We’ll get $60/week – because we are poor ?”

        No, you will get $60/wk for half the time (assuming she takes PPL), because it is a universal benefit aimed at all families to support the best start for babies in those families. If you were poor, you would get the $60 a week for 3 years instead of one.

      • felix 23.1.3

        Who cares, burt? There’s no point designing policy around what a cunt like you might do to rort it.

        Just take the $60 if you need it. How fucking hard is that?

  24. mickysavage 24

    How ironic …

    Gower accuses Cunliffe of dishonesty over a mistake. I just had a look at a video claiming to be about Cunliffe and the best start policy and the video is about interest rates increases. The video is at http://www.3news.co.nz/Cunliffe-admits-policy-speech-error/tabid/1607/articleID/330233/Default.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter but I am sure they will fix it up.

    So TV3 stuff ups happen. But no need to say it is evidence of dishonesty …

    • karol 24.1

      Hah! Tweeted it to Gower. He needs to know when his team’s stuffing up, too….. as well as when he’s being down right diversionary and spinning against the left.

    • geoff 24.2

      Classic!
      Seems like the TV3 political news team is packed full of National supporters. Campbell might be TV3′s only saving grace.

  25. fisiani 25

    The Cunliffe has really jumped the shark. Anyone care to guess what digit will follow the 2 when the next poll comes out.

    • chris73 25.1

      Now be fair its not Cunliffes fault that others report things and Cunliffe doesn’t correct them because hes a busy guy.

      I mean its obvious he helped with the formation of Fonterra, sure it was 8 hours worth of help two years before Fonterra was formed but anyone disagreeing with him is merely nit picking

      and yes there was that business with the CV but the reporters got it wrong and Cunliffe could have corrected it with a phone call but hes a busy guy

      So this is really just a case of (the evil) MSM getting the wrong end of the stick

      • Lanthanide 25.1.1

        It’s a case of some narrow parts of the MSM making a mountain out of a molehill.

        Poor form for Labour to create the molehill in the first place, though.

        • chris73 25.1.1.1

          The real problem is that this has been happening since Goff took over and still labour are managing to shoot themselves in the foot (and then blame everyone else)

          You’d think someone in labour would work it out eventually…

          • Lanthanide 25.1.1.1.1

            It wasn’t great under Goff and was particularly bad under Shearer. Cunliffe so far has been a a lot better, but they need to be near-flawless, and they aren’t.

            As others have mooted on several occasions, National can get away with being sloppy because they’re the government and the media love them, especially Key. It’s not a fair situation, but Labour have to deal with it. The Greens generally do very well, for example.

            • chris73 25.1.1.1.1.1

              I don’t agree with much of the greens but they do run a tighter ship then labour though interestingly enough i think if you combined the Greens and Nationals plans you’d probably have it spot on and you wouldn’t need Labours

              • Lanthanide

                Yeah, pity National has ruled the Greens out. And also that National are taking the country to hell in a handbasket, of course.

                • geoff

                  +1 Lanthanide!

                  • Rob

                    From a comms point of view and clearer messaging, there was probably more value in presenting both the extended parental leave and then the $60 per week benefit as an integrated package. the simple message being is that assisatnce is complete throughout the year.

                    A subtle change I know, but a more correct, clearer and robust message .

                    • Lanthanide

                      I’ve thought about that too. Unfortunately it then leads to this sort of situation:

                      Q: “And if you don’t qualify for PPL because your aren’t employed?”
                      A: “Then you get $60/week from the beginning”.

                      Then suddenly it’s framed as Labour paying special money to beneficiaries.

                    • Rob

                      Oh ok, given the range of pathways into the programmes (employed, not working etc) it is a little more complex to present.

                • chris73

                  Like the Greens would ever go with National, the Greens have made themselves Labours doormat

                  • fender

                    Like the Greens would ever go with National, the Greens have integrity and are nothing like the Maori Party.

                    FIFY

      • QoT 25.1.2

        God, if you’re back to repeating Hooton’s embarrassing little screwup on Fonterra things must be getting desperate.

        • chris73 25.1.2.1

          Merely pointing out that Cunliffe has a habit of being economical with the truth with the added bonus of showing that Labour don’t seem to be able to learn from its own mistakes

          • Colonial Viper 25.1.2.1.1

            meh

            Although Key is still the ace liar I have to admit.

          • Tracey 25.1.2.1.2

            So does key but you say you trust him. This was a stupid mistake by labour. By that standard key is up to stupid mistake 150 and climbing Agree chris?

  26. fisiani 26

    The Cunliffe visited the Pope and went out on the balcony. Everyone in St Peter’s Square was asking “Who is the old guy standing beside The Infallible Cunliffe.”

    • felix 26.1

      Can we have a whip-round to help Slater get his site back up?

    • Rob 26.2

      Yes just like the title of the 2nd book “what I learn’t from Jesus…. and what he learnt from me”.

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 26.3

      lolz
      Fisiani & Rob gain the most amusing right-wing sour grapes comments award – from blue leopard. Really quite funny!

      [Guess you a just sore because the person you support would only be mentioned as "an unidentified guest/author"......]

  27. Paul 27

    Posts like this challenging the corporate media’s lies and distortions are to be encouraged

  28. chris73 28

    Note to Cunliffe – check your facts

    - There you go, no more problems for Labour :)

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    Yesterday, the source behind the Dirty Politics scandal, @whaledump, released a large amount of communications between right wing blogger Cameron Slater and National party insider Aaron Bhatnagar.This evidence confirms that there is in fact a close relationship between Cameron Slater...
    The Jackal | 20-08
  • New Fisk
    Middle East crisis: We know all too much about the cruelty of Isis – but all too little about who they are...
    No Right Turn | 20-08
  • John Key was briefed
    New information showing that the Prime Minister was in fact briefed about the SIS releasing information to right wing blogger Cameron Slater has come to light.It shows that the Director of Security at the time, Warren Tucker, had written directly...
    The Jackal | 20-08
  • Key lied
    Interview with John Key, Morning Report, 18 August 2014:ESPINER: Well let’s have a look at some of those specifics in the book. Cameron Slater gets an OIA request granted from the SIS which embarrasses Phil Goff. It’s approved in a...
    No Right Turn | 20-08
  • Life’s a Beach, Save New Chum!
    On Tuesday I presented a petition to the Mayor of the Thames Coromandel with Linda Smith from the “Save New Chum for Everyone” group. Linda and I have been working together for some years now on the campaign to protect...
    frogblog | 20-08
  • Who is a policy-free zone?
    Over at Cut Your Hair, there is a great analysis of John's Key's desperate spin about "who is running away from the policy debate?": The latest of John Key’s increasingly desperate defences against Dirty Politics and Whaledump is to say:...
    Polity | 20-08
  • ‘John Key, Stop Bullshitting Me’
    Enjoy, Share – and Think Before You Vote – Vote With Common Sense...
    An average kiwi | 20-08
  • Jobs After Coal: Full Report, Summary Report, and Presentation Now Availabl...
    Jobs After Coal is Coal Action Network Aotearoa’s report, released in May 2014, that shows how coal mining communities can move beyond dependence on coal jobs – and how we can provide a just transition for workers in the coal industry into other...
    Coal Action | 20-08
  • When Stupid meets Hypocrisy, the result is David Farrar – *Update*
    . . Further to National Party  blogger, pollster, and political apparatchik making this  public post on Facebook; . . To quote in cut-and-pastable text; “For reasons I’ll make clear tomorrow, but should not be hard to guess, I need to...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-08
  • When Stupid meets Hypocrisy, the result is David Farrar – *Update*
    . . Further to National Party  blogger, pollster, and political apparatchik making this  public post on Facebook; . . To quote in cut-and-pastable text; “For reasons I’ll make clear tomorrow, but should not be hard to guess, I need to...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-08
  • The terrifying genius of the Islamic State
    The horrific beheading of American journalist James Foley, at the hands of a so-called Islamic State (IS) militant with a British accent, has caused an earthquake on the mainstream and social media platforms.It was at once a video of a...
    Pundit | 20-08
  • Proof
    Here's a tweet from Felix Marwick this morning: What the PM said about his knowledge of Slater's SIS OIA http://t.co/u8AmXeX7jy What the SIS told me in 2011 pic.twitter.com/tPNvehTzJ0 — Felix Marwick (@felixmarwick) August 20, 2014 This is very serious. To...
    Polity | 20-08
  • Key’s ducking for cover – utterly unbelievable!!!
    .   . I don’t often re-print media stories verbatim – but this piece by Andrea Vance, for Fairfax Media,  deserves wider circulation. Please note the highlighted statements by Dear Leader as he ducks, weaves, obfuscates, and deflects any and...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-08
  • Key’s ducking for cover – utterly unbelievable!!!
    .   . I don’t often re-print media stories verbatim – but this piece by Andrea Vance, for Fairfax Media,  deserves wider circulation. Please note the highlighted statements by Dear Leader as he ducks, weaves, obfuscates, and deflects any and...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-08
  • Long Term Plan and Transport
    Yesterday I looked at the numbers behind council’s Long Term Plan, the first version of which is being worked on by the mayor for release next Thursday. As well as the all the numbers regarding the potential funding gap, there...
    Transport Blog | 20-08
  • Dirty Politics: One News Colmar-Brunton Snap Poll
     One News Colmar-Brunton         Snap Poll on Dirty Politics                   509 Respondents                            August 14-15                                                      Q 1:  "Have you heard of...
    Sub zero politics | 20-08
  • Climate Change Impacts in Labrador
    In 1534, famed explorer Jacques Cartier described Labrador as "the land God gave to Cain". This comparison is inevitably linked to Labrador’s rugged coastal landscapes dotted with deep inlets, fiords and rugged tundra. Culturally the region is steeped in complexity...
    Skeptical Science | 20-08
  • Council Amalgamations Still Bad Deal
    Press Release – Democrats for Social Credit Northland, Bay of Plenty, and Wellington ratepayers should not be seduced into accepting the amalgamation of their Councils by a recent amendment to legislation allowing for local boards not community boards, Chris Leitch,...
    Its our future | 20-08
  • Gordon Campbell on the usual round of mud slinging and name-calling
    The media, as its critics regularly point out, is far too easily diverted by political sideshows and slanging matches, from its duty to cover the real issues. Yet this week gave an interesting example of how hard it is to...
    Gordon Campbell | 20-08
  • Dirty Politics: Free speech & a policy-free election
    A couple of weeks ago I said that every election has its surprises. But I certainly didn't see Nicky Hager coming down the track, book in hand. Perhaps I should have, since both my 2002 and 2005 examples involved him.read...
    Pundit | 20-08
  • Happy to be left holding the baby – as the battle for Ōhariu heats up
    John and Tricia Andersen spent decades serving communities across New Zealand by choosing to teach in low decile schools, often in remote areas, including principal and deputy principal roles. Now they are working to improve opportunities for New Zealand’s children...
    Labour campaign | 20-08
  • Boys on film – Nohorua Parata
    Meka Whaitiri recently told Labour Voices “I am a Māori MP, for a Māori electorate. I see life through a Māori lens.” Sons Nohorua, 17, and Wi Rangi, 16, have been looking through a different lens – making campaign videos for their mother. Here...
    Labour campaign | 20-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • Labour will facilitate regional Māori economic development agencies
    The next Labour Government will facilitate the creation of regional Māori economic development groups lead by iwi and hapū to work in partnership with business and public agencies as part of its Māori Development policy. “Labour is committed to working towards...
    Labour | 16-08
  • PRIME MINISTER’S DENIAL AT ODDS WITH NATIONAL PARTY STATEMENT
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has today released an email from the General Manager of the National Party that directly contradicts recent statements from the Prime Minister in relation to the 2011 breaches of Labour Party website databases. In his stand-up...
    Labour | 16-08
  • Labour committed to a healthier NZ for all
    A Labour Government will shift the focus of the health system from narrow targets and short term thinking to make public health and prevention a priority, Labour’s health spokesperson Annette King says. Releasing Labour’s full Health policy today she said...
    Labour | 15-08
  • Time Key took responsibility for Collins
    It is well past time for John Key to take some responsibility for the misuse of power and information by his Minister Judith Collins, and follow through on his last warning to her, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “The evidence released...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Dear John, time to answer a few questions… – Harawira
    “When Cameron Slater says about Kim Dotcom ‘I have lots on him…death by a thousand cuts…wait till you see what comes out in coming weeks on that fat c***t’, you have to ask whether this is the same Cameron Slater...
    Mana | 14-08
  • MANA CANDIDATE FOR IKAROA RAWHITI OPENS UP ABOUT SUICIDE
    “This week suicide has claimed yet more lives in whanau and communities in Ikaroa Rawhiti, and my heart goes out to those who are dealing with such a tragic loss”, says MANA candidate for Te Ikaroa Rawhiti, Te Hamua Nikora....
    Mana | 14-08
  • Offshore betting in Labour’s sights
    A Labour Government will clamp down on offshore gambling websites that deprive the local racing industry of funds, Labour’s Racing spokesperson Ross Robertson says. Releasing Labour’s racing policy today, he said betting on offshore websites is a major threat to...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Key has serious questions to answer on Dirty Politics
    John Key must answer the serious questions raised in Nicky Hager’s new book which reveal examples of dirty politics that New Zealanders will be deeply concerned about, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Many people will be disturbed by the evidence...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Creating an inclusive society for disabled people
    A Labour Government will provide free annual health checks for people with an intellectual disability, Labour’s Disability Issues spokesperson Ruth Dyson said today in announcing Labour’s Disability Issues policy. “We will also employ another 100 additional special education teachers and...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA name change
    This is to advise all media that on the 24th of July the ‘Mana’ party name was officially changed to ‘MANA Movement’ under the Electoral Act 1993.  The inclusion of the word ‘Movement’ in our name shouldn’t come as a surprise...
    Mana | 13-08
  • New Zealand must help in the growing Iraq crisis
    The humanitarian crisis in Iraq looks certain to get worse before it gets better,” said David Shearer Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson. “New Zealand should urgently pledge increased humanitarian assistance to United Nations agencies and NGOs present on the ground....
    Labour | 13-08
  • Allegations of migrant worker rort should be investigated
    Labour is calling for an investigation into the alleged exploitation of workers at Hutt Railway workshops, hired to repair asbestos-riddled DL locomotives. Hutt South Labour MP Trevor Mallard has written to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment asking that...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Medical and dentistry students get reprieve under Labour
    A Labour Government will restore the right of medical and dentistry students to get student loans after seven years of study because it is the right thing to do, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says. “Hard on the heels...
    Labour | 13-08
  • National must stop meddling with ACC before the election
    The redesign currently occurring at the Accident Claims Corporation (ACC) for sensitive claims needs to be put on hold immediately, said the Green Party today.The Green Party is concerned about work currently underway at ACC involving the sensitive claims service...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Markets slow but first home buyers still hurting
    First home buyers are hurting more than ever as the supply of affordable houses in the market dries up, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “The Reserve Bank will be happy LVR minimum deposits and rising interest rates have dampened...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Green Party celebrates MOU win on contaminated sites
    The Green Party is celebrating the announcement of a national register of contaminated sites today, and $2.5 million to start cleaning two sites up. The Green Party and the National Party agreed to include toxic site management work in their...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Emergency staff at breaking point
    The Southern DHB is so cash-strapped it is failing to fill nursing rosters, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson David Clark says.  “Every day emergency department nurses arrive at work knowing they are likely to be carrying more than their recommended workload. ...
    Labour | 12-08
  • ACC minister fails in mission to change culture
    The latest damning report by the Auditor General shows that the ACC Minister has failed to fulfil her mission to fix the sick culture at ACC and real change will not come till a new Government is elected, the Green...
    Greens | 12-08
  • Labour’s regional development fund to support Palmerston North
    Labour will consider a proposal to develop an inland port at Palmerston North, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The Palmerston North community has developed plans for an inland port which will bring jobs and economic growth to a region which...
    Labour | 12-08
  • Green Party announces priorities for Christchurch
    The Green Party has today announced its plan for a fairer, smarter and more democratic Canterbury rebuild, with a focus on smart transport solutions, restoring local democracy, and keeping Christchurch's assets.The plan sits across all of the Green Party's priorities...
    Greens | 11-08
  • Rock-star economy unplugged by China log jam
    The collapse of log prices due to oversupply in China threatens to wash the gloss off what remains of National's so-called rock-star economy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “Already this year the price of milk solids has plunged by more...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Young job seekers dealt a poor hand
    National's "keep 'em poor" card for young people on a benefit is a sorry substitute for job training, Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Sue Moroney says.  The Government today announced it would extend its payment card scheme to all teen parents...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Labour – achieving change for Kiwi women
    Working towards being a world leader in eliminating violence against women and children will be a priority for a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Women’s Affairs policy today spokesperson Carol Beaumont said while Labour had a proud track record of achieving...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Accessible healthcare also affordable
      It is obvious from Tony Ryall’s hasty attack of Labour’s plans to extend free GP visits to older people that he hasn’t bothered to actually read the policy, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. "Mr Ryall’s response to Labour’s...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Full details of oil execs’ junket revealed
    Full details of a $237,000 taxpayer-funded oil executives' junket in 2011 have emerged.National paid the nearly quarter of a million dollars to wine and dine 11 oil executives in New Zealand during the World Cup.The trip included yachting, wine tasting,...
    Greens | 10-08
  • Nats sold 500 rugby fields of land a day offshore
    Under National over one million hectares of land has been approved for overseas sale – 16 times the size of Lake Taupō or the equivalent of five hundred rugby fields a day, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “According to...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Joyce’s dodgy sums fool no-one
    Steven Joyce's attempt to attack Labour's positive plan for affordable healthcare will fool no-one. "We knew that National would try to say that we can't afford free GP visits and prescriptions for the New Zealanders who need it. But, as...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Campaign Launch – Ready to Win
    Today I launched Labour's election campaign at the Viaduct Events Centre, Auckland. Here is the speech I gave....
    Labour | 10-08
  • Labour extends free GP visits, free prescriptions
    Nearly 40 per cent of Kiwis – or 1.7 million people – will be eligible for free doctors’ visits and free prescriptions under a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Last year more than half a million New Zealanders...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Labour promises a fairer ACC for all Kiwis
    Accident compensation for loss of potential earnings will rise under a Labour Government, while people not earning at the time of their accident will also be eligible for compensation, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. Releasing Labour’s ACC policy today...
    Labour | 08-08
  • NZ Govt must push for fair play in Fiji elections
    The New Zealand Government needs to do more to push for human rights and media freedom in Fiji as it stages its first election since the 2006 coup, the Green Party said today.Amnesty International has released a report which documents...
    Greens | 07-08
  • Government’s Own Guidelines Show John Key Would Have Been Informed Of SIS...
    Analysis by Selwyn Manning. INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ACQUIRED, sourced from the State Services Commission, states in black and white the tight guideline requirements that must be followed whenever the SIS informs a Prime Minister of any pending release of...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Simply Not Credible: Dr Tucker’s “clarifications” are only making thi...
    THAT DR WARREN TUCKER, Director of the Security Intelligence Service in 2011, agreed to the release of politically sensitive material – thereby intervening in an on-going contretemps between the leaders of the National and Labour parties – without receiving the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: Evidence of Collusion between the NZ Herald and Imm...
    . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the Herald...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Dear Canon NZ – Malevolence should induce revulsion, it shouldn’t be ce...
    Giovanni Tiso’s analysis on Slater is possibly the best in NZ… It’s been a good week for some of us. A week of feeling vindicated, offeeling galvanised. Where it goes from here will depend on several factors, some of which are largely...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • 5AA Australia: After Dirty Politics Can National Provide Stable Government?
    AS WE ALL KNOW New Zealanders and Australians do not like political parties that are unstable, or can no longer assure us that they are able to provide stable government. And the big question for Kiwis as we prepare to...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • SIS letter means it’s over for Key
    It’s over. I may not agree with all of Phil Goff’s positions, but you can’t question his integrity the way Slater did in Dirty Politics and not be deeply concerned that our Secret Intelligence Agency is being used for political...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • who to vote for in Epsom
    who to vote for in Epsom...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • The Rise and Fall of John Key – who will be the next leader of National P...
    . . It was all set to go: Teamkey would be the cult of personality that would do Stalin, Mao, Reagan, Thatcher, or any of the Nth Korean Kim Dynasty, proud.  National and it’s “Teamkey” propaganda strategy   would cash-in Big Time...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Who said Kiwis couldn’t get a fire in their bellies over an arcane intern...
    An amazing team of activists has taken the campaign on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) to local governments throughout the country. Their latest triumph came last Monday when the Dunedin City Council endorsed a resolution expressing concern about the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National’s Dangerous Education Agenda Exposed
    Putting aside the dirty politics coming out of the Beehive and the right-wing blogisphere, there are some very strong signals that another term of a National Government would do even more serious damage to the public education system. The Education...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • We can have clean politics and get our democracy back.
    Something is rotten in our politics and it stinks. Dirty politics has sadly become one of the defining features of this election campaign. In the light of recent revelations about the extent of nasty and disingenuous political strategies, it would...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Book burning copies of Hager’s book? The next generation of National Part...
    It seems we are getting the next generation of National Party Dirty Politics now. There are claims the Young Nats in Hamilton are buying up copies of Dirty Politics and burning them. One witness was contacted by the Waikato Times...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National Party Poetry Day Haiku
    Key’s inbox and Cam’s poison most foul, there he blows hoist by own harpoon...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Why Cunliffe will be the next PM
    David Cunliffe will be the next Prime Minister of NZ. Labour’s inclusive and positive TV adverts… …are in stark contrast to National’s team of white people powering away from the rabble of the ‘others’… …the messaging is vital and crucial...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • From smiling assassin to grumpy butcher – on giving Judith Collins a last...
    After #dirtypolitics Key isn’t the smiling assassin, he is the grumpy butcher. When he said Judith had  a ‘last chance’ he meant 1 second after voting closes on 20th September. Key would love nothing more than to cut Collins loose and end...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • If the National Party rowing advert was real….
    If the National Party rowing advert was real there would be more blood in the water. If the National Party rowing advert was real it would be Cameron Slater calling the strokes. If the national Party rowing advert was real,...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Cameron Slater: Zionist and political pundit
    It is hard to know where to start with right-wing blogger Cameron Slater (Whale Oil), especially after the release of Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics. This confirmed everything many of us thought Slater to be: a snivelling pundit who serves...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Bryce Edwards stood down from Herald for election season??? Are the editors...
    I only found this out via twitter last night and I am still in shock. Bryce Edwards, easily the best critical thinker and news analyst the NZ Herald has has been stood down by the NZ Herald ‘for the election...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • So who’s a “conspiracy theorist” now?!
    . . As the media storm over Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“,  and allegations over smear campaigns continue to swirl,  National’s spin doctors have given Key, Collins, and other National Party ministers a string of  phrases to use in all...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Momentum shift
    When you are deeply immersed in a local campaign sometimes it can be difficult to see the helicopter view.   I don’t know how accurate the political polls are and have always known that things can change quickly in politics...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Dear Toby Manhire. Bad call on backing Farrar
    Oh dear. I say this as someone who regards Toby Manhire as one of the smartest journalists/commentators/columnists this country has, and I think Toby has made a terribly dumb call here. Let’s see if Toby is still singing Farrar’s praises...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Radio NZ apologise to me for getting it wrong
    Radio NZ have contacted me, reviewed the claim by their host that I had an advance copy of Nicky Hager’s book and they have concluded they got it wrong, they have called me and apologised and will make a statement...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Reclaim UoA – Students’ Message to Steven Joyce
    Tertiary Education – we’ve been sold a lemon  A group of 30 students attended an event on Tuesday evening about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which the Minister of Tertiary Education Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Can someone in the media please ask the PM of NZ to categorically deny any ...
    Now we see the MO of Slater & Co, the setting up, the digging for dirt, the use of staff to dig that dirt, can the Prime Minister of NZ categorically deny any National Party staff worked with Cam Slater...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Panic setting in for National as they realise what’s about to happen
    And the terror starts to set in. I’ve never seen blind panic like this before  and it’s spreading as the enormity of what’s about to happen starts to sink in. Hager’s book is a mere entree, Nicky’s personal ethics wouldn’t...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics: what the book ultimately reveals is abuse of powe...
    Guide to the many faces of John Key Nicky’s book is now doing what I suspected it would do, create a shockwave of revulsion. Andrew Geddis over at Pundit Blog sums up this attitude best, and it’s reverberations build with every...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Fancy taking children seriously
    Let’s see why all political parties should pay close attention to the Green Party’s policy for children. First, it is a comprehensive attempt to put children, not ideology, at the heart of family policy. Wow, children at the heart of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Amnesty International: Dear Azerbaijan, Stop Torture, Love Kiwi Kids
    This is a world where many adults often underestimate Generation Y. Being only a few years out of being a teenager myself, I feel I can make this statement with certainty. However, I have been the Youth Intern at Amnesty...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GCSB meetings today in Christchurch 1pm at Uni 7pm at Cathedral
    The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. 1pm at Canterbury University bottom floor James Height Building: Chair: Bomber Bradbury Ruth Dyson – Labour Party...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about
    Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Guide to when Key is lying
    Guide to when Key is lying...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The State of the Student Nation …or is just Al...
    Students politics are dead and our student media is in terminal decline. The most disappointing thing about university is the politics, or should I say lack of? I was raised with the idea that students held the power.They were the...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Love Lifts Us Up: Thoughts from the Green Party’s campaign launch.
    Author Eleanor Catton wants people to give their party vote to the Greens.Photo by Peter Meecham NO ONE WAS QUITE SURE how he did it. Somehow Bob Harvey had persuaded the owners of the rights to Joe Cocker’s Up Where...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
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    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • LIVE STREAM: You, Me and the GCSB ChCh Public Meetings
    LIVE STREAM EVENT here at 1pm & 7pm: The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. PLEASE NOTE: TDB recommends Chrome and Firefox...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today,
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • How @whaledump might destroy the popular vote for National
    Dirty Politics is now creating a meltdown and National are in danger of a total vote collapse. The real threat to for National was if Nicky had all the emails released via the anonymous hacker who took them. That danger is now a...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Open letter to Radio NZ – you need to make a retraction now
    I have just sent this off to Radio NZ right now Dear Radio NZ Firstly, what a great interview by Guyon Espiner this morning with the Prime Minister. Great to see such hard hitting journalism. Unfortunately I am not contacting...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Radio NZ are lying about me
    I am getting this all second hand at the moment as I don’t bother listening to Radio NZ (except for that wonderful Wallace Chapman in the weekends) but there is a claim that Suzie Ferguson just insinuated on Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Farrar’s fake claim of being invaded + Slater’s claims of death threats...
    The counter spin to avoid focus on the series allegations made in Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics continues. David Farrar’s ridiculous hysterics that he was invaded and his privacy has been blah blah blah has all been reduced from computer hacking to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • A shout out to the unsung heroes – our Public Service staff
    Government departments, particularly in the social welfare, education and health areas get a lot of shtick. And it’s not unjustified. We have problems in the way that our government departments treat those in need. And I do not intend to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Key’s ducking for cover – utterly unbelievable!!!
    .   . I don’t often re-print media stories verbatim – but this piece by Andrea Vance, for Fairfax Media,  deserves wider circulation. Please note the highlighted statements by Dear Leader as he ducks, weaves, obfuscates, and deflects any and...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Who is the source of Hager’s emails?
    Who is the source of Hager’s emails? Kim Dotcom has categorically denied he has anything to do with this and Nicky Hager has categorically denied that Kim was the source of the emails. Whatever you think about Kim (and he...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Dirty Politics – Audio+Text Why It Is Essential Raw Data Be Released Imme...
    MIL OSI – Source: RadioLive – Sunday Panel Analysis Headline: Dirty Politics – Audio Analysis by Selwyn Manning + Rodney Hide + Mark Sainsbury MIL Video: Selwyn Manning, Rodney Hide, and Mark Sainsbury discuss and debate the explosive details revealed...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • TV One and TV3 Political Polls – not such a landslide now
    Before the impact of Dirty Politics has been felt, the National Party high point in the Polls had been reached and their inevitable  drop begins. Despite the mainstream media telling NZers for almost 3 years that John Key would win...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – You will not believe Key’s defence of hackin...
    He actually used a sporting analogy. Can you believe it? John Key, asked on the fact that his staff had entered into a Labour Party computer and downloaded their database, Key replied, “It’s a bit like the Wallabies positing up their...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • A brief word on 100 Top political Tweeters
    The NZ Herald has put together a very useful list of top 100 political twtter accounts, what is most interesting from the lists is that the right wing all work hand in glove with each other where as the Left...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Are Whaleoil’s traffic stats a bloated illusion?
    Dim Post has done a critical analysis of just how real Cameron Slater’s traffic stats are. TDB has only been around for a year with a fragment of the digital footprint of the older blogs, yet we have managed to become...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Is Jordan Williams deceptive enough to blackma...
    There are so many issues raised by Nicky Hager’s book, that any one of them would be worthy of total focus on. Let’s chat about the claim in the book that Jordan Williams bragged to Slater and Lusk that he had...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Why ‘see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evi...
    This sign shows how National’s see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil denial isn’t working. National’s response to the book is that there is NOTHING in there that deserves anything more than the most briefest of eye motions. Key won’t...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Commissioner of Police v Kim Dotcom And Ors
    An order is made extending the duration of the registration of the restraining orders issued by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia on 10 and 25 January 2012 and registered in New Zealand on 18...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Labour Announcement on Future of Hillside Workshops Welcome
    Labour leader David Cunliffe’s announcement in Dunedin today that a government led by his party would re-open Hillside Railway workshops was welcomed by the Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU). ‘Since the workshops were shut down in late...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Primary teachers and principals vote to put kids first
    Teachers and principals have voted overwhelmingly against the Government’s controversial “Investing in Educational Success” policy, including proposed highly-paid principal and teacher roles....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunkett: Educating for Success
    In all the turmoil stirred up by the "Dirty Politics" revelations, the real issues that the campaign should be about have been put to one side....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Dirty Politics – Number One Bestseller and Back in Stores
    An exposé of the hidden side of New Zealand politics, Nicky Hager's book, Dirty Politics , has been in hot demand since its release last Wednesday....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Epsom: profiling NZ’s most controversial electorate
    Welcome to the wealthy inner Auckland electorate of Epsom: home of coat-tailing, the Tea Tapes, a convicted outgoing MP... and heavy newspaper and magazine readership....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Families Free From Violence campaign and website
    We are pleased to announce the launch of our Families Free From Violence campaign and our new Families Free From Violence website. This website has been created to encourage people to take responsibility for ending family violence by seeking help...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • PSA And DHBs Reach Settlement on Five Collective Agreements
    The 20 District Health Boards are pleased to reach settlement via mediation on five Multi Employer Collective Agreements (MECAs) with the Public Service Association for 12,000 mental and public health nurses, allied, public health and technical staff,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Refusal to complete census results in 46 convictions
    Failing to fill out a census form has resulted in the convictions of 46 people, Statistics New Zealand said today....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Council Amalgamations Still Bad Deal
    Northland, Bay of Plenty, and Wellington ratepayers should not be seduced into accepting the amalgamation of their Councils by a recent amendment to legislation allowing for local boards not community boards, Chris Leitch, Democrats for Social Credit...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • DHB industrial action withdrawn
    The Public Service Association (PSA) has withdrawn notices of industrial action covering 12,000 health workers at District Health Boards (DHBs) across New Zealand, after progress was made in mediation....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Aged Care Pledge Needs Better Target, Says Care Agency
    Labour’s pledge to set up an aged care working group to address industry concerns is good to see, but appears to skirt the obvious issue of a looming lack of beds and carers for our rapidly growing elderly population, says...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Social inequality still rife in New Zealand
    Social inequality has worsened over the past decade in New Zealand, a new study from Victoria University of Wellington shows....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Working towards a living wage and more Māori in paid work
    The Māori Party will build on the gains it has already achieved in Government and accelerate job opportunities particularly for young Māori....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Deepwater Group Supports Changes to Catch Limits
    The Deepwater Group says the increase in the Total Allowable Commercial Catch for hoki shows the benefits of a long term commitment to build biomass in this major New Zealand fishery....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Ohariu candidate Sean Fitzpatrick
    “Our Ohariu candidate will be Sean Fitzpatrick. Sean has strong ties to the region and I’m glad to hear he will be doing his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the area,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Tauranga candidate Stuart Pederson
    “Our Tauranga candidate will be Stuart Pedersen. Stuart has strong ties to Tauranga and I’m glad he has agreed to do his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the electorate,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party scores massive own goal
    Green Party scores massive own goal as their own policy auditor criticises their fiscal plan...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party’s own Auditor of their Budget finds it dodgy
    “The Alternative Budget released by the Green's does not even stack up in the eyes of their chosen auditor – Infometrics” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • New shark finning laws fall short for threatened species
    Environmental groups are welcoming some aspects of a raft of law changes announced today in relation to shark finning, but say that overall the chance for New Zealand to catch up with international efforts in shark conservation is being missed....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Promoting Labour’s Positive Policies
    General Secretary of the New Zealand Labour Party, Tim Barnett, today launched Labour’s television advertisements for the 2014 election. The advertisements help tell Labour’s positive story for a better New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug Court: Rare Insight into New Alternative Justice Model
    Māori Television’s latest New Zealand documentary presents a fascinating look inside a new alternative justice model – through the stories of convicted criminals....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Political parties pledge to increase overseas aid
    A survey of political parties looking at how much New Zealand should spend on Official Development Assistance (ODA) shows the overwhelming majority of parties are committed to raising the bar according to the Council for International Development (CID)....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Top Kiwis backing Tip the Scales campaign
    Sir Graham Henry, former All Black Kees Meeuws, singer-song writer Jamie McDell and fishing guru Matt Watson have pledged their support to Tip the Scales, a pre-election campaign generating public support for rebuilding New Zealand’s depleted inshore...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Maritime Union continues to press over dirty politics
    Maritime Union National President Garry Parsloe says Ports of Auckland management is trying to get off the hook from its involvement with extreme right wing bloggers during the Ports of Auckland dispute....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • No end in sight to overwhelming human cost of conflict
    Two ceasefires have brought some respite to civilians in Gaza and southern Israel, amid hope that a durable cessation of hostilities might occur. In Gaza, these breaks in the fighting have barely given people enough time to seek medical care,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Young Kiwi speakers to represent NZ at Gallipoli 2015
    The RSA is delighted at the announcement made by Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Woodhouse today, that all eight regional finalists of the 2015 ANZ RSA Cyril Bassett VC Speech Competition will be included in a group of 25 Youth Ambassadors...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • “Bromance” Marriage Stunt Insulting Says LegaliseLove
    A promotional competition asking two best mates to get married in order to win an all-expenses-paid trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup is insulting, marriage equality campaign LegaliseLove Aotearoa claims....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Cannabis Party first to register for 2014 General Election
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party became the first party to register for the 2014 General Election today, when it meet with the Electoral Commission in Wellington at Midday....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • PGA: Addresses NZ’s ratification of Arms Trade Treaty
    President of Parliamentarians for Global Action and New Zealand MP Ross Robertson today addressed a celebration to mark New Zealand’s imminent ratification of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), which is expected within the next few weeks....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Roy Morgan Poll August 20
    National (48%) holds its lead over Labour/ Greens (39%) as ‘Dirty Politics’ revelations provide a new challenge for PM John Key’s leadership. NZ First surge to 6.5% - highest support since September 2013....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security (IGIS), Cheryl Gwyn, announced today that she would be instituting an inquiry concerning allegations that the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (NZSIS) might have released official information...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Glen Scanlon to Head Digital Media at Radio New Zealand
    Radio New Zealand has announced the appointment of Glen Scanlon to the recently created position of head of digital media....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Israel’s Gaza ceasefire violations go unreported
    It seems that it is only ceasefire violations that emanate from the Palestinian side that ever get publicised....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug courier sentenced for importing heroin
    South African drug courier, Laura Elizabeth Cilliers, was sentenced today in the Christchurch District Court to 7 years and 10 months in prison for importing approximately 1.2 kilograms of heroin....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Residential Property Speculators Days Numbered
    Rent heat cools as homes are replaced ... Liz McDonald ... The Press http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/your-property/10400851/Rent-heat-cools-as-homes-are-replaced Comment on thread (in moderation) … Christchurch is a “severely unaffordable” City as the Annual Demographia Survey ( www.demographia.com ) illustrates … thanks...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Academic’s study shows need for a Ministry of Public Input
    A book by Associate Professor Jennifer Lees-Marshment recommends the creation of a Ministry of Public Input to collect, process and communicate the publics’ ideas to government. The University of Auckland’s political marketing expert says the...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Government inaction killing innocent motorists
    Innocent people are dying due to long delays in installing centre lane barriers on high risk roads, says an outspoken road safety campaigner....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Property revaluations for council rates must be reformed
    Opportunity to bring controls on rating value changes and more equitable level of annual rates increase...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Ron Mark Sets the Example
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the pledge by Mayor of Carterton and NZ First candidate Ron Mark who has announced he would relinquish his roles as Mayor and member of two District Health Boards if successfully elected to Parliament. Taxpayers’...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Ban 1080 Candidates announced for 2014 General Election
    MEDIA RELEASE: Angry rural communities want issue of 1080 aerial drops taken to the polls, says party co-leader Ban 1080 Candidates announced for 2014 General Election...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Governor General Gives Direction to Conduct Election
    The Governor General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has given the green light for this year’s General Election....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • New Zealand Animal Groups Unite to Help
    WELLINGTON (19 Aug 2014) – The Be Cruelty-Free campaign to ban animal testing of cosmetics in New Zealand just got bigger and stronger, as two leading animal protection groups come on board. Joining forces with Humane Society International which has...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Students Interrupt Steven Joyce at University Event
    A group of 30 students this evening interrupted an event about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which Tertiary Education Minister Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce began to speak, students interrupted with a speech of their own....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Caritas among first responders offering relief in Iraq
    As the plight of Iraqis fleeing persecution reaches tragic levels, Caritas Aotearoa New Zealand has pledged an initial $10,000 to support the work of Caritas in Iraq to provide humanitarian aid to thousands of families affected by the war and...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • iPredict 2014 Election Update #31: Nats take hit
    Election race narrows significantly · National party vote now below Labour/Greens · National’s probability of leading next government dips to 72% · Joyce expected to take over as National leader before end of 2015, as Collins’ prospects fall...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Call for applications – Fulbright scholar awards
    Fulbright New Zealand calls for applications to a range of scholar awards for New Zealand academics, artists and professionals to undertake academic and cultural exchanges to the United States of America. A Fulbright exchange provides life-changing opportunities...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • CWS launches appeal for Iraqis on World Humanitarian Day
    Christian World Service is appealing for help for tens of thousands of Iraqis caught up in one of the world’s horrifying conflicts....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Promoting the Voice of the Rangatahi
    Young Māori voters are seen by the Māori Party to have a vital part to play in saving the Māori seats in Parliament says the Māori Party’s youngest candidate, Reverend Te Hira Paenga. “What we’re hearing on the ground is...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Nelson Election Candidates’ Community Forum
    Nelson’s community and volunteer sector has some serious questions to put to the local candidates in the run up to next month’s general election....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
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