NRT: Cash for honours

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1. One Anonymous Bloke 1

   28 March 2014 at 10:59 am

   Well, the National Party sells everything else, it would be inconsistent if they drew the line at gongs.
2. alwyn 2

   28 March 2014 at 12:04 pm

   “Yesterday No Right Turn did a post on how Doug Graham’s became Sir Doug Graham”

   As a perfectly serious question, are you dyslexic? Without discussing the merits of the story I must point out that the NRT story was about Sir Graeme Douglas, NOT Sir Douglas Graham.
   Slight difference don’t you think?

   [lprent: Yes – always have been. Why do you think I like programming? Fixed it. Thanks ]
3. Raa 3

   28 March 2014 at 12:28 pm

   The technical term is ‘Bunyip Aristocracy’ after the mythical Bunyip.

   How many players did Colin Meads have to maim to get his gong ?

   Knighthoods were once given out for exceptional deeds in battle,
   but is this not a bit comic in our Asian-Pacific context in 2014 ?

   Are there not a few Tangata Whenua ancestors turning in their graves ?
   • RedLogix 3.1

     28 March 2014 at 12:57 pm

     The technical term is ‘Bunyip Aristocracy’

     Which Tony Abbot in a peculiar moment of historical amnesia is proposing to restore.
4. McFlock 4

   28 March 2014 at 12:28 pm

   I suppose that’s why they brought back titles – their donations were going down?
   • Jim Nald 4.1

     28 March 2014 at 1:03 pm

     Bingo
5. greywarbler 5

   28 March 2014 at 2:00 pm

   I think there are too many with the name Douglas in NZ. Let’s have a break from Graham too.
   As the vip (very interested political-checker) Alwyn points out, there is room for confusion.

   Google –
   Sir Graeme Douglas eyes new ventures | Stuff.co.nz
   http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/…/Sir-Graeme-Douglas-eyes-new-ventures
   Feb 3, 2014 – Pioneering pharmaceutical boss Sir Graeme Douglas has stepped down from the company he founded more than 45 years ago.

   About Us – Douglas Pharmaceuticals
   http://www.douglas.co.nz/about-us/‎
   About Us. Founded in 1967 by our managing director Sir Graeme Douglas MNZM FPS, Douglas Pharmaceuticals is one of the fastest growing pharmaceutical …

   and

   Sir Douglas Graham retains knighthood – Business – NZ Herald News
   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid…‎
   Nov 1, 2013 – Disgraced former finance company boss Sir Douglas Graham will retain his knighthood, the Prime Minister has announced. – New Zealand ..

   Sir Douglas Graham and the Cult of Privilege | The National …
   http://www.nbr.co.nz/…/commentary-doug-graham-and-cult-privilege-ja-p-14…‎
   Doug Graham’s decent path – now that legal challenges to the Lombard Four convictions are over – is to surrender his knighthood. Further appeals are over …

   Doug Graham – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Graham‎
   Sir Douglas Arthur Montrose “Doug” Graham KNZM (born 12 January 1942) is a former New Zealand politician. He was an MP from 1984 to 1999, representing ….
6. Wyndham, George 6

   28 March 2014 at 2:26 pm

   We should look for the opportunity here.

   There are people all around the world who would love to have a title. There is a lesser number who could afford to pay handsomely for a few letters.
   I’ve a male gay friend who would pay $1m to become a Dame.
   LET THEM HAVE IT.

   Option A: a price list.
   Option B: auction a title a day on Trademe for Kiwis And contract fancy New York, lLondon, Paris , Rome, Delhi Singapore, Hongkong, Beijing and Tokyo to hold weekly auctions.

   A source of serious addition revenues for the state coffers.
   • greywarbler 6.1

     28 March 2014 at 2:33 pm

     💡
   • Once was Tim 6.2

     29 March 2014 at 12:00 am

     Why am I suddenly thinking about Sir Chris Finlayson and his UK ego-equivalent (affectionately known as ‘Dockyard Doris’) ?
     Either I’m a total arsehole or they’re complete egotists with delusions of grandeur (and/or – the options are not mutually exclusive)
7. greywarbler 7

   28 March 2014 at 2:29 pm

   Honours and royalty and the thirst for power, land, wealth, wine and women etc etc.
   I went to Shakespeare for quotes about releasing me from this pesky priest or whatever, thinking of Becket and seeing Pete George as a parallel subject. I fear he is going to hang around for ever like somebody’s ghost rattling his chains and moaning, PG that is.

   On the way I found there are some great quotes from the film Becket (I don’t know if they are Shakespeare’s originals) that you may find relevant or not. Diverting anyway.

   King Henry II: Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?

   King Henry II: Have you any idea how much trouble I took to make you noble?
   Thomas a Becket: I think so; I recall, you pointed a finger and said, “Thomas Becket, you are noble.” The Queen and your mother became very agitated.

   King Henry II: Am I the strongest or am I not?
   Thomas a Becket: You are today, but one must never drive one’s enemy to despair; it makes him strong. Gentleness is better politics, it saps virility. A good occupational force must never crush. It must corrupt.

   Useful social procedural advice.
   Thomas a Becket: Tonight you can do me the honor of christening my forks.
   King Henry II: Forks?
   Thomas a Becket: Yes, from Florence. New little invention. It’s for pronging meat and carrying it to the mouth. It saves you dirtying your fingers.
   King Henry II: But then you dirty the fork.
   Thomas a Becket: Yes, but it’s washable.
   King Henry II: So are your fingers. I don’t see the point.

   And perhaps as endpiece.
   King Henry II: Let us drink, gentlemen. Let us drink, till we roll under the table in vomit and oblivion.

   And refresher: Title card: In the year 1066, William the Conqueror crossed from France with his Norman army and conquered the Saxons of Britain at the Battle of Hastings. Henry II, his great grandson, continued to rule over the oppressed Saxon peasants, backed by the swords of his Barons and by the power of his imported Norman clergy.
8. The Pink Postman 8

   28 March 2014 at 3:52 pm

   Having worked in the Horse Racing Business in the UK I was able to observe the “gentry” and very rich. I came to the conclusion very early that Titles and such were an insult to hard working people who never recieved
   titles regardless of the hard work they did/

   Most were paid for even the carried on military titles were often bought . The whole idea of titles is a farce and is a desire by some wealthy families to strengthen the class system .

   As for inherited title well what an insult to intelligent people . Just observe some of them useless parasites .
   My grandmother who was a wise elderly lady always said that the only title that was worth having was lady and gentleman innthe true sense .
9. Richard McGrath 9

   28 March 2014 at 4:52 pm

   Perhaps his decades of work at Douglas Pharmaceuticals might have had more relevance to his knighthood. However, it might be prudent in the future if members or funders of political parties were automatically disqualified from receiving honours.
   • McFlock 9.1

     28 March 2014 at 5:21 pm

     disqualified from receiving honours from the parties that they donated to would be sufficient.

     And yes, this applies to all parties.
     • Murray Olsen 9.1.1

       29 March 2014 at 1:43 am

       Wouldn’t work. They’d do backroom deals to stick titles in front of each other’s lot. Better to just get rid of the anachronistic things.
   • miravox 9.2

     29 March 2014 at 12:14 am

     I’d rather disqualify honours.
10. Jim Nald 10

    29 March 2014 at 9:14 am

    Well, among many things, there was the special inquiry this Government initiated just around Christmas in 2009 in relation to “improving New Zealand’s environment to support innovation through clinical trial”:

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/sc/business-summary/00DBSCH_INQ_9752_1/inquiry-into-improving-new-zealands-environment-to-support

    Guess that is one piece that kinda makes sense in the bigger picture 🙂

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