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	<title>Comments on: Oh dear, what a fizzer</title>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/oh-dear-what-a-fizzer/comment-page-1/#comment-173580</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a piss take.  Confused the hell out of a number of them though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a piss take.  Confused the hell out of a number of them though!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/oh-dear-what-a-fizzer/comment-page-1/#comment-173517</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No paper is worse than the Christchurch press though in estimating crowd numbers, a few years  back, some pathetic little teen  type  girl band from Australia gave a free concert in Cathedral square,  walking home from work, their must of been around 500-1000 people? mostly young kids there.

The next day, the press said ten thousand people showed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No paper is worse than the Christchurch press though in estimating crowd numbers, a few years  back, some pathetic little teen  type  girl band from Australia gave a free concert in Cathedral square,  walking home from work, their must of been around 500-1000 people? mostly young kids there.</p>
<p>The next day, the press said ten thousand people showed up.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/oh-dear-what-a-fizzer/comment-page-1/#comment-173516</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett, it certainly seems so.

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett, it certainly seems so.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/oh-dear-what-a-fizzer/comment-page-1/#comment-173515</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Violence = love???????


Am I missing something with this guys banner??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Violence = love???????</p>
<p>Am I missing something with this guys banner??</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/oh-dear-what-a-fizzer/comment-page-1/#comment-173480</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was one of the chaps on the &quot;Violence = Love&quot; banner, we were also responsible for the &quot;Hit my baby one more time&quot; and a few others. Coincidentally another group of people had decided to do a similar thing so we joined up with them - they had the &quot;Repeel S.51&quot; (which apparently already has been repealed :P) and &quot;Carly Binding Referendum&quot; etc. We got a few comments but people didn&#039;t really know what to do, I think the majority of them actually thought we were apart of the protest.

The Nazi guy was a protester - his daughter was telling me that he was John Key. When I mentioned that, given his Jewish background, that could be quite distasteful and offensive she asked me &quot;How come you know so much about John Key&quot;. Sigh.

We had some more idiots trying to tell us that no study had been done that proves that smacking your child affects them negatively. Totally missing the point, but I wasn&#039;t all that surprised. One guy asked us to not use big words like &quot;symmetrical&quot; when we were discussing the issue. LOL. 

The rhetoric in the speeches was typical - saying 87% of New Zealanders rah blah blah, some women in front of me went off at me when I pointed out loudly that onl 54% of people eligible to vote actually voted. I guess I was kind of surprised that the Sensible Sentencing Idiots managed to so blatantly hijack the march to push their own &quot;TOUGH ON CRIMSSSSS&quot; agenda and nobody seemed to bat an eyelid - further proves that nobody there actually knew what they were doing or why.

Was nice to have a tiny bit of MSM coverage, but last I looked it was all gone - I guess if you&#039;re buying a protest you don&#039;t want little bastard pranksters getting the coverage.

Oh and there is no way there was 5000 people there. I&#039;m not all that good at judging a crowd number, but if there was more than 1000 I&#039;d be surprised. There was heaps of space, they even managed to go down to one lane at the end with enough room. Total bollocks from the Herald et al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was one of the chaps on the &#8220;Violence = Love&#8221; banner, we were also responsible for the &#8220;Hit my baby one more time&#8221; and a few others. Coincidentally another group of people had decided to do a similar thing so we joined up with them &#8211; they had the &#8220;Repeel S.51&#8243; (which apparently already has been repealed <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ) and &#8220;Carly Binding Referendum&#8221; etc. We got a few comments but people didn&#8217;t really know what to do, I think the majority of them actually thought we were apart of the protest.</p>
<p>The Nazi guy was a protester &#8211; his daughter was telling me that he was John Key. When I mentioned that, given his Jewish background, that could be quite distasteful and offensive she asked me &#8220;How come you know so much about John Key&#8221;. Sigh.</p>
<p>We had some more idiots trying to tell us that no study had been done that proves that smacking your child affects them negatively. Totally missing the point, but I wasn&#8217;t all that surprised. One guy asked us to not use big words like &#8220;symmetrical&#8221; when we were discussing the issue. LOL. </p>
<p>The rhetoric in the speeches was typical &#8211; saying 87% of New Zealanders rah blah blah, some women in front of me went off at me when I pointed out loudly that onl 54% of people eligible to vote actually voted. I guess I was kind of surprised that the Sensible Sentencing Idiots managed to so blatantly hijack the march to push their own &#8220;TOUGH ON CRIMSSSSS&#8221; agenda and nobody seemed to bat an eyelid &#8211; further proves that nobody there actually knew what they were doing or why.</p>
<p>Was nice to have a tiny bit of MSM coverage, but last I looked it was all gone &#8211; I guess if you&#8217;re buying a protest you don&#8217;t want little bastard pranksters getting the coverage.</p>
<p>Oh and there is no way there was 5000 people there. I&#8217;m not all that good at judging a crowd number, but if there was more than 1000 I&#8217;d be surprised. There was heaps of space, they even managed to go down to one lane at the end with enough room. Total bollocks from the Herald et al.</p>
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		<title>By: ghostwhowalksnz</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghostwhowalksnz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they have any big adverts in the Herald ?
That usually swings it for a &#039;kid gloves&#039; reporting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they have any big adverts in the Herald ?<br />
That usually swings it for a &#8216;kid gloves&#8217; reporting</p>
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		<title>By: Tiger Mountain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiger Mountain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Herald is still at it, claiming today that Queen St was &quot;packed&#039; with marchers.</description>
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		<title>By: Olwyn</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/oh-dear-what-a-fizzer/comment-page-1/#comment-173452</link>
		<dc:creator>Olwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t think of a left wing march ever that has been preceded by that level of advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t think of a left wing march ever that has been preceded by that level of advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty G</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/oh-dear-what-a-fizzer/comment-page-1/#comment-173444</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The anti-supercity march, 10,000+</description>
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		<title>By: squirrel</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/oh-dear-what-a-fizzer/comment-page-1/#comment-173443</link>
		<dc:creator>squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on the counter demonstrators! Looks like they hit the nail on the head, didnt create an unnessecary confrontation and instead effectively highlighted how silly the whole march was.

To be fair going by NZPA photos there appears to be at least 1500 people there, probably more. While this isnt a huge achievement given the funding and level of concern many people have it is still notable. I can&#039;t think of a left wing march for quite a while that has had that many people on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on the counter demonstrators! Looks like they hit the nail on the head, didnt create an unnessecary confrontation and instead effectively highlighted how silly the whole march was.</p>
<p>To be fair going by NZPA photos there appears to be at least 1500 people there, probably more. While this isnt a huge achievement given the funding and level of concern many people have it is still notable. I can&#8217;t think of a left wing march for quite a while that has had that many people on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Armchair Critic</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/oh-dear-what-a-fizzer/comment-page-1/#comment-173437</link>
		<dc:creator>Armchair Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crazy, huh? Everyone knows this is about a referendumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy, huh? Everyone knows this is about a referendumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie Mist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie Mist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, maybe it was just a couple of hundred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, maybe it was just a couple of hundred.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie Mist</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/oh-dear-what-a-fizzer/comment-page-1/#comment-173434</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie Mist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I helped out today at a sausage sizzle fundraising for the local Women&#039;s Refuge under the White Ribbon &#039;umbrella&#039;.  I reckon we sold about 5000 sausages...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I helped out today at a sausage sizzle fundraising for the local Women&#8217;s Refuge under the White Ribbon &#8216;umbrella&#8217;.  I reckon we sold about 5000 sausages&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Links &#171; Ideologically Impure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links &#171; Ideologically Impure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 21, 2009 &#183; Leave a Comment  Marty at The Standard reports on the March For Whatever We Say It Is, which can be best described as a &#8220;fizzer&#8221;.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 21, 2009 &middot; Leave a Comment  Marty at The Standard reports on the March For Whatever We Say It Is, which can be best described as a &#8220;fizzer&#8221;.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stargazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>stargazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um, no.  talk to asian new zealanders who had to live through the 1996 campaign.  that rhetoric was far from harmless.  thankfully we seem to have gotten away from that environment, mostly because the majority of political parties have figured out that minorities can vote too and under MMP their party vote is critical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um, no.  talk to asian new zealanders who had to live through the 1996 campaign.  that rhetoric was far from harmless.  thankfully we seem to have gotten away from that environment, mostly because the majority of political parties have figured out that minorities can vote too and under MMP their party vote is critical.</p>
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