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		<title>By: Lew</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-04122009/comment-page-1/#comment-176648</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, I work in a media office and for a while we kept a register of such things, which we called &#039;aptonyms&#039;. A few I can think of off the top of my head:

Jill Ovens, Service &amp; Food Workers&#039; Union
Mark Rocket, RocketLab
Det. Emmett Lynch, Police
Jan Pryor, Family Researcher
Michael Hope, FDANZ
Peter Watt, Electricity Commission
Tim Rainey, Leaky Building Syndrome lawyer
Melody Scales, Summer City music festival director

Etc.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, I work in a media office and for a while we kept a register of such things, which we called &#8216;aptonyms&#8217;. A few I can think of off the top of my head:</p>
<p>Jill Ovens, Service &amp; Food Workers&#8217; Union<br />
Mark Rocket, RocketLab<br />
Det. Emmett Lynch, Police<br />
Jan Pryor, Family Researcher<br />
Michael Hope, FDANZ<br />
Peter Watt, Electricity Commission<br />
Tim Rainey, Leaky Building Syndrome lawyer<br />
Melody Scales, Summer City music festival director</p>
<p>Etc.</p>
<p>L</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-04122009/comment-page-1/#comment-176643</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nominative Determinism,

A friend of mine once commented to me, on how coincidental it was that the names of National MPs often represented their political outlook. ie Powers, Rich, Banks, Key, Strange.

Lew though it may be a coincidence, it may come as no surprise to many, that, as you say the un-elected body appointed by Rodney Hide and the Nats charged with Auckland&#039;s governance have named their consultative group the Super City Advisory Board (SCAB).

The New Scientist  magazine once noted that there is a very high statistical incidence of Dentists called Dennis. 

In articles carried over several issues of New Scientist, N.S, further discovered that this sort of naming coincidence is often reflected in other fields of human endeavour. The writers at N.S. coined the term Nominative Determinism to describe this phenomenon. Their point being that they thought that people&#039;s unconscious preferences often played a role in shaping the choosing of names and professions and vice a versa.


http://www.consumingexperience.com/2005/02/jobs-reflecting-names-nominative.html

It makes me wonder whether this phenomonen is at work here.

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf108/sf108p14.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nominative Determinism,</p>
<p>A friend of mine once commented to me, on how coincidental it was that the names of National MPs often represented their political outlook. ie Powers, Rich, Banks, Key, Strange.</p>
<p>Lew though it may be a coincidence, it may come as no surprise to many, that, as you say the un-elected body appointed by Rodney Hide and the Nats charged with Auckland&#8217;s governance have named their consultative group the Super City Advisory Board (SCAB).</p>
<p>The New Scientist  magazine once noted that there is a very high statistical incidence of Dentists called Dennis. </p>
<p>In articles carried over several issues of New Scientist, N.S, further discovered that this sort of naming coincidence is often reflected in other fields of human endeavour. The writers at N.S. coined the term Nominative Determinism to describe this phenomenon. Their point being that they thought that people&#8217;s unconscious preferences often played a role in shaping the choosing of names and professions and vice a versa.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.consumingexperience.com/2005/02/jobs-reflecting-names-nominative.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.consumingexperience.com/2005/02/jobs-reflecting-names-nominative.html</a></p>
<p>It makes me wonder whether this phenomonen is at work here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf108/sf108p14.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf108/sf108p14.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Unholy Allliance</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-04122009/comment-page-1/#comment-176641</link>
		<dc:creator>Unholy Allliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Hardly anyone asks the next question, &quot;Why did you feel so bad in the first place?&#039;.

What a crock! People drink to forget, some drink to socialize, some
drink because its there, some drink to have memories, some to forget,
some drink out of boredom. But the idea that we should never feel bad! 
Please! we need bad moments to assess good ones as good. If
we don&#039;t have bad moments, do away with them, then we are no
better than zombies living in a false life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Hardly anyone asks the next question, &#8220;Why did you feel so bad in the first place?&#8217;.</p>
<p>What a crock! People drink to forget, some drink to socialize, some<br />
drink because its there, some drink to have memories, some to forget,<br />
some drink out of boredom. But the idea that we should never feel bad!<br />
Please! we need bad moments to assess good ones as good. If<br />
we don&#8217;t have bad moments, do away with them, then we are no<br />
better than zombies living in a false life.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-04122009/comment-page-1/#comment-176617</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I got one. Had Finlayson, (I think), on the cover and it helpfully told me that Weta is based in Miramar, which would account for all the cars I suppose. Nice little parliamentary crest tucked away at the bottom too, which added a little class.

Edit: predictive text on anti-spam word thing: not helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I got one. Had Finlayson, (I think), on the cover and it helpfully told me that Weta is based in Miramar, which would account for all the cars I suppose. Nice little parliamentary crest tucked away at the bottom too, which added a little class.</p>
<p>Edit: predictive text on anti-spam word thing: not helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
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		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh good one, your very towering omnipotence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh good one, your very towering omnipotence.</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
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		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vto Really we have just about had no regulation for years, long opening hours, younger drinking age, more outlets, discussions about fine wine, more sophisticated mixed drinks, gourmet bars specialising in fine wines etc.  We are not a country of urbane drinkers yet and bloody never will be.  We have a culture that embraces alcohol along with a sport that has young men built like young bulls tearing around a field, and then getting sozzled.  I remember someone in Hong Kong or Singapore introducing rugby, and also the after match beers!  Go together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vto Really we have just about had no regulation for years, long opening hours, younger drinking age, more outlets, discussions about fine wine, more sophisticated mixed drinks, gourmet bars specialising in fine wines etc.  We are not a country of urbane drinkers yet and bloody never will be.  We have a culture that embraces alcohol along with a sport that has young men built like young bulls tearing around a field, and then getting sozzled.  I remember someone in Hong Kong or Singapore introducing rugby, and also the after match beers!  Go together.</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
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		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14.09 Prof Philip McCann has given two lectures this week
now on Nat Radio with Jim Mora.  On NZ joining with Australia.  Interesting.  NZ Economic Papers has 20,000 words of Prof McCann (spelling?) on matter.
painful - capcha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14.09 Prof Philip McCann has given two lectures this week<br />
now on Nat Radio with Jim Mora.  On NZ joining with Australia.  Interesting.  NZ Economic Papers has 20,000 words of Prof McCann (spelling?) on matter.<br />
painful &#8211; capcha</p>
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		<title>By: Zorr</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-04122009/comment-page-1/#comment-176587</link>
		<dc:creator>Zorr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else get the National mailer touting their &quot;achievements&quot; for 2009? Can&#039;t wait to see someone actually do a parody on this or something because I am too lazy to. Just some of the claims are disgusting and make me retch that people would swallow any of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else get the National mailer touting their &#8220;achievements&#8221; for 2009? Can&#8217;t wait to see someone actually do a parody on this or something because I am too lazy to. Just some of the claims are disgusting and make me retch that people would swallow any of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2009/11/23.html#a2473&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Happens Next: A Timeline for Civilizational Collapse&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;This civilization was both enabled and required by the discovery of tools (arrowheads, fire, and catastrophic monoculture agriculture) that in turn enabled us to expand outside our natural rainforest habitat, become carnivores, become settlers, eliminate natural predators, and hence expand exponentially our species&#039; numbers and consumption of resources.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;This allowed us to completely pillage the planet, just as quickly, to the point that we now have nothing left for other species or for future generations, and this has precipitated the sixth great extinction of life on Earth, and the destruction, in the blink of an eye, of an ecological balance that was co-created and sustained collectively by all-life-on-Earth for millions of years.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Reality isn&#039;t something that can be dodged no matter the technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2009/11/23.html#a2473" rel="nofollow">What Happens Next: A Timeline for Civilizational Collapse</a></p>
<blockquote><p>This civilization was both enabled and required by the discovery of tools (arrowheads, fire, and catastrophic monoculture agriculture) that in turn enabled us to expand outside our natural rainforest habitat, become carnivores, become settlers, eliminate natural predators, and hence expand exponentially our species&#8217; numbers and consumption of resources.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>This allowed us to completely pillage the planet, just as quickly, to the point that we now have nothing left for other species or for future generations, and this has precipitated the sixth great extinction of life on Earth, and the destruction, in the blink of an eye, of an ecological balance that was co-created and sustained collectively by all-life-on-Earth for millions of years.</p></blockquote>
<p>Reality isn&#8217;t something that can be dodged no matter the technology.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
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		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Olwyn they have civilised drinking cultures precisely because ofthe lack of regulation. Or in other words, regulation distorts and exaggerates. Create a rule and double the complexity, create two rules and quadruple it, and so on...

Nonetheless you correctly identify the problem - cultural. It will need a generational change here in NZ to get to that point. Regulation may help but it is far far from the solution imo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Olwyn they have civilised drinking cultures precisely because ofthe lack of regulation. Or in other words, regulation distorts and exaggerates. Create a rule and double the complexity, create two rules and quadruple it, and so on&#8230;</p>
<p>Nonetheless you correctly identify the problem &#8211; cultural. It will need a generational change here in NZ to get to that point. Regulation may help but it is far far from the solution imo.</p>
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		<title>By: Olwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good question RedLogix, and two others follow: Why can some places have civilised drinking cultures, with very few regulations pressing them to be that way, and why do we so easily make the step from what we can do to help people to what we can do to &quot;improve&quot; them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good question RedLogix, and two others follow: Why can some places have civilised drinking cultures, with very few regulations pressing them to be that way, and why do we so easily make the step from what we can do to help people to what we can do to &#8220;improve&#8221; them?</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
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		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so true your royal prismness. perhaps we could have boozeless days like Muldoon&#039;s carless days. The addicts would then all be in a boozeless daze..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so true your royal prismness. perhaps we could have boozeless days like Muldoon&#8217;s carless days. The addicts would then all be in a boozeless daze..</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Now&lt;/i&gt; I do. lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Now</i> I do. lol.</p>
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		<title>By: RedLogix</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedLogix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Alcohol soaked hell-hole&quot; anyone?

Ask someone why they drink (especially a binge drinker). The answer is usually something like, &quot;It makes me feel better&quot;.

Hardly anyone asks the next question, &quot;Why did you feel so bad in the first place?&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Alcohol soaked hell-hole&#8221; anyone?</p>
<p>Ask someone why they drink (especially a binge drinker). The answer is usually something like, &#8220;It makes me feel better&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hardly anyone asks the next question, &#8220;Why did you feel so bad in the first place?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone else find it funny that the bods in charge of Auckland&#039;s governance have named their consultative group the Super City Advisory Board (SCAB)?

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else find it funny that the bods in charge of Auckland&#8217;s governance have named their consultative group the Super City Advisory Board (SCAB)?</p>
<p>L</p>
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