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Open mike 05/03/2013

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, March 5th, 2013 - 185 comments
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185 comments on “Open mike 05/03/2013”

  1. Jenny 1

    Climate Change stops here!

    Mangatangi South of Auckland, Fonterra is planning a huge new open cast coal mine.

    While the current Green Party leadership prepare to make their peace with climate change. Ex-Green Party co-leader Jeanette Fitzsimons is actively campaigning against it.

    Fitzsimons has linked up with locals opposed to the mine, who are calling a public meeting for Thursday night, March 7, at the Mangatawhiri hall, off state highway 2, (next to the famous Ice Cream Castle).

    The crux of the argument is that coal adds to anthropomorphic climate change when more sustainable fuels could be used.

    Fonterra’s coalmining company Glencoal has applied for resource consents to develop an opencast coalmine on 30ha of farmland between Mangatawhiri Rd and the new State Highway 2 at Maramarua….

    ….Glencoal has Government permits to mine the new property which, like K3, is expected to yield around 120,000 tonnes of coal a year.

    Stuff.co.nz

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/8380942/Protesters-take-on-Fonterra-over-coal

    • QoT 1.1

      prepare to make their peace with climate change

      As always, [citation needed].

      • Jenny 1.1.1

        Enough citations for you QoT?

        Sacrificing Principle for Power; The Green Party and Climate Change

        Despite the urgent and pressing need, the Green Party are selling out over climate change.

        The first I heard of the Greens back-peddling on Climate Change was at the last elections.
        People who I know, close to the Green Party, and whose views I trust, informed me that the Green Candidates had been advised, not to mention climate change during their election campaigns by the leadership of their party. The reason given for this directive, was rot them not to appear too radical to the voting public.

        I have since confirmed this direction for self censorship, talking with leading members of the Greens who told me, “We didn’t want to scare the horses”.

        The final proof, of course was the election itself. Which was marked by a lack of public debate on this issue by all parties.

        In 2011, in ignoring climate change, the Green Party, Labour Party and the Natonal Party candidates, behaved very similarly to the 2012 US presidential candidates, neither side wanted to discuss climate change, or what to do about it.
        In the US presidential elections, even an unprecedented Superstorm which interrupted their campaigning could not get Obama or Romney to discuss climate change.

        It looks likely that the Green Party policy of keeping silent on Climate Change is to continue into the next election.

        Climate change was not an election issue in 2011,
        Despite the dangerous urgency.
        Despite the appalling record of the current government on climate change.
        It looks likely that climate change will not be an election issue in 2014.

        If the Green Party do not take this issue up, it looks likely that it will not be raised by any other party either.

        The other political parties: Labour and National will not want to raise this issue either, in case they offend their powerful oil and coal industry donors.

        The proof that the Green Party are continuing their silence over climate change comes from their official website.

        The following is the link to the official Green Party website which sets out all their “Priorities and “Issues”;

        http://www.greens.org.nz/

        The link takes you to the Green Party home page.

        You will immediately notice that for an environmental party, there is no mention of climate change on the Green Party home page. ( It has been this way for months, despite Superstorm Sandy, Superstorm Bopha, and the record breaking Australian heatwave). And the current unprecedented drought being experienced in Northland.
        I find this extremely odd, as climate change has been described as the biggest environmental issue of all time.

        To find any mention of climate change on the official Green Party website you have to really look for it.

        At the top of the Green Party home page: “For The Future” campaign. Clicking on this link to takes you to a page in which there is no mention of climate change.

        There are no other obvious mentions of climate change on the Green Party official home page.

        To find mention of climate change click on the “Issues” tab at the top of the Green Party home page.

        http://www.greens.org.nz/issues

        This sets out the Green Party Priorities for 2011-2014

        Which are:

        100,000 kids out of poverty by 2014
        http://www.greens.org.nz/endchildpoverty

        Our plan to clean up New Zealand’s rivers and lakes
        http://www.greens.org.nz/cleanrivers

        Green jobs for New Zealanders
        http://www.greens.org.nz/greenjobs

        But no mention of climate change

        Not once in any three of these admittedly worthy priorities, is combating the impending danger of climate change mentioned.

        Below the Green Party 3 main “Priorities”. The Green Party say, “Other priorities that we are focussing on include”

        “Keep Our Assets” http://www.greens.org.nz/koa

        “Rebuilding Christchurch” http://www.greens.org.nz/visionchristchurch

        “Conservation” http://www.greens.org.nz/conservation

        “Transport” http://www.greens.org.nz/transport

        “Equal pay” http://www.greens.org.nz/equalpay

        “Fracking” http://www.greens.org.nz/fracking

        “Gambling” http://www.greens.org.nz/gambling

        Again very worthy issues, once again climate change is left out.

        Below the list of Green Party “Other priorities that we are focussing on include”, is a heading;

        “Other issues” http://www.greens.org.nz/campaigns/all

        Clicking on this link shows all the “Other issues” that are not Green Party “Priorities” or even Green Party “Other priorities”

        “Other issues” are set out in alphabetical order, presumably signifying that not one, is of any more significance than the others.

        These other “Other issues” are:

        “Economy”

        “Environmental and resources”

        “Fairness and society”

        “Health and food”

        “International relations”

        “Politics and law”

        Under the second heading in the list under the heading “Environmental and resources”. First up, is climate change.

        However this is misleading, as climate change is only first up, because this list is also set out alphabetically. The only signifcance that climate change has, to the 59 other Green Party “Other issues” is that it starts with the letter ‘C’.

        Despite Naomi Klein’s warning to the left and the environmental movement that climate change has the power to undo all our current campaigns and past victories, the New Zealand Green Party have decided to bury this issue as deep as they can get away with.

  2. Coronial Typer 2

    Sorry if I haven’t caught up but did anyone hear Shearer on Radio Live yesterday with Garner on asset sales?
    Utterly awful.

    • Chris 2.1

      Well. That was interesting!

    • tc 2.2

      consistently awful but what does that matter as long as the mallarfia is happy

    • Mary 2.3

      Dominion Breweries can have this for nothing: “David Shearer will get better. People should just give him a chance.”

    • Murray Olsen 2.4

      Based on that performance, Shearer belongs in ACT.

    • Rhinocrates 2.5

      Q: Mr Shearer, do you know your arse from your elbow?

      A: Well, ah… yes,… I wouldn’t be too rash… I mean yes, I have a rash that itches, no, er, I mean I have to, I have an arse, and I have an elbow… two elbows… or one elbow and two arses… though I suppose you mean any elbow…I’m well,… I mean really arses and elbows are… you know, part of the same body, and I don’t think, ah, that it’s quite reasonable to you know, talk about them as if they were different things… I mean even if I do have an arse in the middle of each arm and I sit on my elbow, they’re all part of me… I mean you have arses and an elbow too… and spleens. I breathe with my pancreas. Er… I mean we have to consider glands as well, I’m not sure if you can pile glands up, like dominoes. I mean lego. I know glands are not lego, well I’m not sure glands are not dominoes or lego, but I mean if you had a stack of salivary glands and elbows, you couldn’t , er, make a model house out of them like you can with lego, or dominoes… er, what was the.. oh dear, where’s my bit of paper?

      • Rhinocrates 2.5.1

        A bit more seriously, this is just incredible. My flabber is utterly ghasted. Shearer got up and beat his breast about asset sales and now can’t even say why he did that, and is desperately distancing himself from any commitment to hanging on to them. It’s a betrayal, moreover it’s a public betrayal, criminally undermining confidence in his party.

        How on earth can anyone have confidence in this drongo?

        • Mary 2.5.1.1

          I just hope there’s more of it and that no PR fix-it brigade comes in and masks his incompetence just enough to hold off his ousting so we’re left with the un-fixable buffoon that he is. Keep going, David, may you reach rock bottom. It’s the only hope we’ve got.

    • cardassian 2.6

      I missed it and find the site impossible to navigate around. Could someone be kind and post a link please?

  3. AsleepWhileWalking 3

    The beautiful Wairarapa; where religion meets bigotry.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/8380757/Church-uncomfortable-with-Moas-lifestyle

    • Colonial Viper 3.1

      And it’s the Green Party who get quoted on this, not Labour.

      • felixviper 3.1.1

        That’s because there is no place for homophobic attitudes in the Green party.

        • handle 3.1.1.1

          They know where they stand.

        • kiwi_prometheus 3.1.1.2

          It’s not a phobia.

          Stop using rhetoric and propaganda, Ms felix. Of course that would mean you would have to dump the nonsense about Feminist “science” etc as well.

          • felixviper 3.1.1.2.1

            Please point to my comments about feminist science.

          • Colonial Weka 3.1.1.2.2

            How about ‘sapphic paranoia’ then?

            • kiwi_prometheus 3.1.1.2.2.1

              How about “aversion to manhaters” then?

              • Colonial Weka

                Sure. Can’t say I’ve know that many manhaters though, so I guess you have a very rare condition. Unless you mean aversion to women, in which case we have several useful words already.

                • kiwi_prometheus

                  “Can’t say I’ve know [sic] that many manhaters though,”

                  There’s lots of manhaters around, perhaps your pro Feminist ideological blinkers stop you seeing them?

                  Are you a feminist or a moral relativist?

                  • McFlock

                    Ever consider the possibility that people hate you because of your own unique personal characteristics, rather than because you’re a man?

                    There might be a good chance of it, unless they say things like “we are uncomfortable with the fact you have a penis”.

                  • Colonial Weka

                    “There’s lots of manhaters around”

                    That either says something about your personal life, or you need to provide a citation.

                    “There’s lots of manhaters around, perhaps your pro Feminist ideological blinkers stop you seeing them?”

                    Or maybe I just care more about humans than you do.

                    “Are you a feminist or a moral relativist?”

                    Both (non-academically). But not in ANY way that matches what goes on in your head about those things.

    • Dr Terry 3.2

      True, “religion”, but in this instance not Christianity.

    • kiwi_prometheus 3.3

      Aren’t you and the pro gay crusaders moral relativists?

      So how can you make a normative statement about what a religious individual objects to?

      • McFlock 3.3.1

        Love the way you bung people into categories and then imply inconsistency because they don’t follow the precise category description you dictated.

        • Pascal's bookie 3.3.1.1

          And even his categories make no sense.

          A ‘pro gay crusader’ may or may not be a ‘moral relativist’, but if they are they won’t be the type of relativist who ‘can’t make normative statements’.

  4. johnm 4

    Dispatch from the English class war:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287402/Healthy-happy-Queen-leaves-hospital-smiling-treated-nasty-stomach-bug.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86jb14b-jNI&list=UUGThM-ZZBba1Zl9rU-XeR-A&index=2

    While homeless man freezes to death in Kent to the south east.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb07UL3olGs&list=UUGThM-ZZBba1Zl9rU-XeR-A&index=4

    The dead man was uncared for scum but the mega rich Queenie gets a bug and everyone’s bowing and scraping, sort of society the market’s shoeshine boy Key wants here. :-(

  5. AsleepWhileWalking 5

    WELFARE DISASTER LOOMING AS SERVICE SHUTS DOWN

    BIAS interview on 9 to noon yesterday:

    The Herald headline: Minister defends continued underfunding of beneficiary aid service:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10869162

    Benefit advocates help the government deliver it’s welfare service properly by cleaning up the mess left by overworked (or let’s face it…just bitchy) case managers. They ensure mental health consumers continue to receive welfare. They SAVE the government money by negotiating with Work and Income and preventing review of decisions (costly and time consuming for the ministry).

    This service needs help or it closes in three weeks: http://bais.org.nz/ (website has been hacked so donate page missing !) Might take a phone call or two.
    BAIS is registered as a charity with the NZ Charities Commission: CC10594 so please give these guys a hand.

    IMHO the government should fully fund these. It’s a tough funding environment out there but we can change it by voting with out donations and claiming it via tax back.

    To hear the minister crow about the drips and dribbles of funding benefit rights services are funded on makes me sick. They only stay in existence because the volunteers know what is at stake – everyday people going without in a country with a SOCIAL CONTRACT to support them at their most vulnerable.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 5.1

      Damn edit function!! Beneficiary Advocacy and Information Service is BAIS, not Bias as I typed.

    • just saying 5.2

      Thanks AWW.
      Maybe a post in itself?

      • AsleepWhileWalking 5.2.1

        Yea, does need a voice. Might be better if someone with experience of dealing with BAIS writes it. I’ve only sent them an email once and deal with the Benefit Rights Service (BRS) in Wellington central.

  6. just saying 6

    An interesting item on msm reporters who are compromised by conflicts of interest in their undisclosed family and friendship connections with politicians.

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/03/05/full-disclosure-or-do-you-know-where-that-journalist-has-been/

    Note to Bomber -Proofreading – crowd source if necessary. I was also shocked at the recently published edition of ‘Werewolf’ which was so shot through with every kind of error that I wondered if they had accidentally published an earlier unedited version. I’m vehemently opposed to policing this kind of thing in the conversation amongst commenters, but in the format of a magazine or a newspaper, too many typos, spelling, punctuation etc. mistakes jar and detract from credibility, yet they can be corrected without changing the writer’s actual words, one jot.

    God that sounds pendantic even to my ears.

    • Colonial Viper 6.1

      To me, if you can’t be bothered using good grammar and good spelling to express your ideas, have you actually thought through and value what you are trying to say? And have you even bothered to check the facts that you are using?

      • karol 6.1.1

        Actually, I don’t think those things necessarily go together, CV. I have often noticed spelling errors in Bomber’s Tumeke posts. Maybe he needs to get someone else to do the proofreading – spelling and written grammar may not be his strong point.

    • Colonial Weka 6.2

      +1 js.

      There is a feedback form on TDB ;-)

  7. just saying 7

    This is really interesting:

    At the national election held in Italy last week, a party that is less than three years old gained over 8 million votes, equivalent to one quarter of all votes cast. The party didn’t pay for a single advertisement on television or in the print media. None of its members appeared on television or gave interviews to the Italian press. The party didn’t put up a single hoarding. All of the party’s candidates were complete unknowns, whilst leader Beppe Grillo – who didn’t run for office – hasn’t appeared on national television since 1994. – See more at: http://bat-bean-beam.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/turn-off-your-computers.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+BatBeanBeam-AWeblogOnMemoryAndTechnology+(Bat,+Bean,+Beam+-+A+Weblog+on+Memory+and+Technology)#sthash.fYfnitFQ.dpuf

    • prism 7.1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LPdTXRjIKQ
      A clip from Brewsters Millions where a guy inherits or wins a lot and spends it on lampooning the electoral system.

    • Bill 7.2

      Interesting (and slightly disturbing) piece on Grillo here too that might interest you.

      http://www.redpepper.org.uk/how-beppe-grillo-stole-the-lefts-clothes

      Let us make clear that this is no victory for the left. M5S is an extremely ambiguous phenomenon. As Giuliano Santoro points out, Grillo and the co-founder of his movement, marketer Gianroberto Casaleggio, are both millionaires with a proprietorial conception of their organisation.

      M5S’s constitution, written by Grillo and Casaleggio, states: ‘The name of the Five Star Movement is attached to a trademark registered under the name of Beppe Grillo, the sole holder of rights on its use.’ These rights have been consistently used to expel anyone who has tried to make the movement more autonomous from Grillo’s personal style of leadership.

  8. KhandallaViper 8

    Shearer removes every reason for Labour members to fight against asset sales. The Party Leader does not believe in the Asset Sales Campaign.

    He is absolutely clueless and moronic on finance. He has ZERO mention of strategic asset policy.

    He is a ****ing disgeace to the Labour Party. Roll on Christchurch.

    Please Trevor, keep him off the radio, and TV, just like you did in the period prior to the Confidence vote.

    The Duncan Garner show from yesterday is here.

    http://soundcloud.com/whaleoil/david-shearer-um-asset-er-what

    http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Audio.aspx

    • felixviper 8.1

      I’m sure he’ll get better with more media training.

      And the poll trend? Most likely a rogue trend.

      No really, I’ll do the dishes later.

    • Colonial Viper 8.2

      These things take time mate. Give Shearer another 6 months. He’ll fire up voters imaginations by then, I’m just sure.

      • Colonial Viper 8.2.1

        I see even Winston is promising to buy back the power shares at cost.

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8380541/Today-in-politics-Tuesday-5-March-2013

      • KhandallaViper 8.2.2

        Yep, I’m sure too.

        In fact for the past three years I’ve been sure that Labour would get it right in the next six months. It is teh one ting the Party is consistant about.
        A pity the voters don’t see it that way.

        (the sound you hear is a mixture of hysterical laughter and tearful sobs)

      • Colonial Weka 8.2.3

        “Give Shearer another 6 months”

        Give Shearer another 21 months ;-)

        • Colonial Viper 8.2.3.1

          Oh, that’s just so mean!!! :)

        • Colonial Viper 8.2.3.2

          Assuming a November 2014 election, E-day is only 18 months away. Unless of course you are talking about the normally scheduled February Leadership vote which occurs after each election…which would be exactly 21 months away…

        • Socialist Paddy 8.2.3.3

          You mean give fecking Key another three years .

      • Anne 8.2.4

        But you two have been saying the same for a lot more than six months!

        • Anne 8.2.4.1

          But you two have been saying the same for a lot more than six months!

          edit: reply to felix v and CV.
          (not sure what’s what. Hit reply button and the original came up)

        • Colonial Viper 8.2.4.2

          Oh I’m sure it’s just a Jedi mind trick…those polls aren’t really as bad as you think they are…

    • RedLogix 8.3

      Go easy … Shearer is busy going round the country stirring up apathy.

    • BM 8.4

      Jesus, that’s terrible.
      I look forward to the election debates, LOL it’s going to be a slaughter.

      • tc 8.4.1

        Exactly what the hollowmen wanted, the thought of DC up against Slippery made them go all out helping the mallarfia ensure that’s now not going to happen.

        well meaning dithering inexperienced bloke up against well trained sharky dishonest money trader, shall we lay bets now.

      • Rhinocrates 8.4.2

        Q: Who would you rather have as Prime Minister in 2014: David Cunliffe or John Key?

        Robertson, King, Goff, Mallard, Hikins, Curran, Fenton et al: David Shearer – and he will be!

        Q: My question was whether you would prefer David Cunliffe or John Key.

        Robertson, King, Goff, Mallard, Hikins, Curran, Fenton et al: Napoleon!

        Q (rolls eyes): I repeat my question.

        Robertson, King, Goff, Mallard, Hikins, Curran, Fenton et al: Richard the Lionheart, Qin Shi Huang, Augustus, Ramesses II!

        Q (facepalm): I don’t mean DEAD historical figures, my question was-

        Robertson, King, Goff, Mallard, Hikins, Curran, Fenton et al: Gandalf!

        Q (tearing hair): – nor do I mean fictitious characters.

        Robertson, King, Goff, Mallard, Hikins, Curran, Fenton et al (after a brief pause): Historical inevitability!

        Q:What?

        King, Goff, Mallard, Hikins, Curran, Fenton et al (now they roll their eyes): You don’t understand how democracy works do you? Let us put it clearly: Whenever National comes to power due to the foolishness of the people and David Cunliffe, they are punished by that government which then – being aware of historical inevitability, politely cedes power to us in the next term after we have released a sufficient number of press releases. We really don’t see what all the fuss is about.

        Q (staring blankly and speaking in a halting monotone); Um. Yes. Well then… Um. My question remains: Who. Would. You. Prefer. To. Be. Prime. Minister. In. 2014: John. Key. Or. David… Cunliffe?

        King, Goff, Mallard, Hikins, Curran, Fenton et al: JOHN KEY!

        Robertson: ME!

    • David H 8.5

      Jesus Christ Shearer’s fucking hopeless. He hasn’t got a clue at all. At the rate he’s going Key could shoot someone on Queen street, at lunchtime and still be re-elected.

  9. muzza 9

    Let it spray

    NZ inc – Lab Experiment, and how your *friendly* governmental stooges work hand in glove with corporations, to allow it, then cover it up!

    • Rosie 9.1

      Hey Muzza. Yep, watched that doco last year. Ha! It never ends. Am in the thick of dealing with regional council in regard to an aerial agri chemical spraying co for three breaches of the regulations right at the moment. Don’t want to say too much about that case. Just to add that we have a poor history of health and safety and lax regulation when to comes to using and abusing agri chemicals in NZ.
      “The poisoning of New Zealand” by Meriel Watts (published in 1994) gives some background to that history. There may or may not have been regulatory changes within the years since that book was published but the challenge of holding the likes of monsanto, dowagro, nufarm etc to account remains the same. Bloody tough.

      • muzza 9.1.1

        Hi Rosie,

        All the best with that, and thanks for the book tip.

        NZ genuinely has a disgraceful history, on many counts. Yeah there are good people throughout the country, but the sad state of the nation, is now a reflection on all people, including the good ones.

        Keep at it Rosie

        Cheers

      • Rogue Trooper 9.1.2

        agricultural spray chemicals killed my father eventually; he was riddled with tumours by 34

        • Rosie 9.1.2.1

          So sorry to hear about your Dad RT @ 9.1.2.
          I wonder how many of the generations before us (and indeed those who are still with us) suffered ill health that wasn’t diagnosed correctly and/or early death due to the effect of unsafe practices when working with agricultural or industrial chemicals.
          A relative of mine was one of those victims of a certain notorious timber mill in the Eastern B.O.P. He lived with a chronic work related respiratory illness which eventually took him.
          Still, despite all efforts the “She’ll be right” attitude is still prevelant within our culture. The examples are around us all the time.

  10. prism 10

    The census – all that effort and the useful and important things that weren’t init!! For instance I do a lot of volunteer work which wasn’t mentioned in this census. All retired people should be barracking for volunteer work to be counted as work and a contribution to society. There has to be action by older people against the 70 age limit to the old age pension, which is what it is in NZ.

    I see being expected to contribute to society in some meaningful way fro the whole of one’s life, but especially when society pays you a pension, as being a reasonable and rational and practical thing which mitigates against the idea of us being self-centred elderly royalty, which many now are at the top end . If we thinking older people don’t get together and present a defence to current thinking and upward age limits most older lives are going to be times of worry and sometimes misery under the Labour push. This is a very TINA mentality – just a repeat of the thinking, or lack of it, in 1984.

    It irks me to see on the form a space for working on the family business for no pay (and also I believe that ‘work’ is counted from the first completed hour). I spend probably about 20 hours a week as a volunteer, which is invisible. Marilyn Waring’s book Counting for Nothing findings still apply.

    No wonder we can’t get ahead in this country – we have good thinkers here but we have pathetic little burkes that talk their way into a profession or money and then bureaucracy or parliament who never realise the breadth of what they don’t know that they don’t know. There should always be pilot schemes testing different ways of managing the country which are formulated from a wide number of ideas and input, and then evaluated against set criteria.

    Listening to Peter Dunne this morning on child support liability and exponential imposts of penalties impressed me on the narrow understanding of the world many of these twerps have.
    He talked about partners having a vendetta against each other as the main reason for not paying. A lot of the time it’s just that they can’t afford to support two households, or they don’t want to, or else they are alcoholics and can’t afford the happy-go-lucky habit and free spending trend that goes with trying to be happy all the time.

    What government doesn’t understand is that often the family is better off without such a role model and the further away with infrequent contact with the other parent, the better for the child’s moral development and the stability and happiness of the family..

    • karol 10.1

      Indeed volunteer work is very important to society and the economy:
      prism: The census – all that effort and the useful and important things that weren’t init!! For instance I do a lot of volunteer work which wasn’t mentioned in this census.

      question 45:

      Mark as many spaces as you need to answer this question. In the last 4 weeks, which of these have you done, without pay?
      Answer otions include, housework, gardeneing etc; caring for others plus:

      other help or voluntary work for or through any organisation, group or marae

      Other questions include options for unpaid work within family business or farm.

      • karol 10.1.1

        Ack! need edit function: Should be:

        Question 45:

        Mark as many spaces as you need to answer this question. In the last 4 weeks, which of these have you done, without pay?

        Answer options include, housework, gardening etc; caring for others plus:
        other help or voluntary work for or through any organisation, group or marae

        Other questions include options for unpaid work within family business or farm.

        [Click to Edit | Delete]

        • prism 10.1.1.1

          Thanks karol
          It is in my mind though that volunteer work for the community has been listed separately in a previous census. Unpaid work within family business or farm is merely working for your own interests, your household or wider family – not the same thing. I think it isn’t sufficient to just have community or volunteer work touched on so generally. There isn’t a question of how many hours, just whether done ever in the last 4 weeks.

          And working at housework gardening without pay is what people do for each other in their own home. If it is supposed to mean – for other people outside your home it should say so. The census isn’t worded so as to find really useful statistics. For instance it would be interesting to ask – how many women are home nearly all the time caring for children or other family members – on maternity leave for a year, or working for pay part-time under 15 hours, working for more than 30 hours with children in child care? How many men? How many grandparents are caring for grandchildren regularly? How many hours per week.

          There are things we ought to know if we were a functioning vital people-embracing country. But sadly we embrace businesses that can boost our politicians and entertain us, we would rather have a matinee idol cracking jokes and finishing every sentence with a confident ‘No worries mate, it’ll work out fine” than a thinking, caring pragmatic person who has buckteeth and a hunchback.

          • karol 10.1.1.1.1

            prism, yes there could be more specific questions about hours, etc. However, qu 46 does ask about housework, gardening, etc, within your household, and separately asks about caring for a child, with your household, and not in your household, plus separate questions about caring for someone with illness or disability within your household and not in your household.

            There is a separate question elsewhere asking if you are on the DPB, and of course, separate questions about paid and unpaid hours worked.

            There also needs to be a balance between the number of questions asked, and the amount of meaningful information sought.

    • alwyn 10.2

      You mention in the first paragraph that
      “There has to be action by older people against the 70 age limit to the old age pension”
      I don’t understand what you are talking about. Can you please clarify what this is?

      • prism 10.2.1

        alwyn I’ve read your posts before and you often don’t understand. Seems you have a lot of thinking and learning to do. So by all means keep asking and someone will help. I usually can get info and different points of view here.

        You have heard surely alwyn that Labour is talking about raising the age limit for receiving superannuation (old age pension under a fancy name) to 70 years, probably over a period of years? I have been thinking of the unpleasant results to the people affected and have decided I am against it.

        Google says on the meaning of the word superannuation
        1 Regular payment made into a fund by an employee toward a future pension.
        2 A pension of this type paid to a retired person.
        As NZ pays out of current taxation the income support for retired people, this is not superannuation. But everyone likes that word better than old age pension which is not a cool term especially to the wealthy.

        The reason for paying all old people from current taxation, to add to your putea of knowledge, is that it is hard to build and maintain solid funds going forward! that match inflation when conservatively invested. And before we tackled inflation which at one time was rampant, it was impossible. Now the Super Fund is trying to build up a fund to limit the shock when an extra lot of baby boomers come to The Age. Company pension funds also are difficult to maintain because they are notoriously tempting to dip in to by those high up in the company having risky investments going belly-up or yacht and mansion house maintenance problems.

        • alwyn 10.2.1.1

          Thank you for replying, at least.
          However just how I was expected to connect the statement you made to Labour’s last election policy is rather a stretch.
          Your statement, and I quote it in full, was “There has to be action by older people against the 70 age limit to the old age pension which is what it is in New Zealand.”
          For your information “what it is in New Zealand” at the moment is 65, not 70.
          What labour proposed was that it be raised to67, not 70 and that the age of 67 would not be reached until 2033. How that becomes 70 now, which you appear to believe, is rather unclear.
          As to the rest of the response you made, my only addition would be to suggest that it is just as hard for the state to maintain a fund as it is for a company. If you don’t understand that have a look at the tribulations of the various state and city super schemes in the USA, many of which are insolvent.
          I don’t trust ANY politician with access to funds such as the Cullen fund, which is in theory supposed to pre-fund superannuation. One has only to read material on the Green party blog, or web-site, to see all the hare-brained ideas for spending the fund. Alternatively just read the material on this blog for how to spend the money on non-productive assets.
          Incidentally you can’t really pre-fund superannuation for anybody. Any consumption by a non-working person must be from production by a currently working one. Imagine if every single person was retired. Just where would the goods they wish to consume come from?

          • prism 10.2.1.1.1

            alwyn I said that the old age pension is what we have in NZ. And I made the point that it is not actually superannuation. And the 67 year limit has often been stated to be just a step on the way to 70 years.

            And you appear to be in a bog not a blog as you don’t like government funded pensions and you are vague about the value and sustainability of company and government funds alike. Oh dear, we are up the creek without a paddle in this case.

            • alwyn 10.2.1.1.1.1

              Last comment on this (at least by me).
              Of course it is an old age pension. However evryone calls it National Superannuation so why shouldn’t we?
              OK, no doubt there are people who say we should move to 67 or 70 or whatever.
              You however said it was 70 NOW, not some vague option for the future. Perhaps you are like a Maths Prof I used to have who said that “one is just a first approximation to infinity”
              I do like Government pensions. In fact I regard them as an essential thing to ensure that the elderly have an income in retirement. People can try and invest to help with their retirement but I think a basic state supplied old age pension is the only way to keep a significant portion of the elderly from penury.
              I am not “vague” about the value and sustainability of pensions at all. I know that there will be a proportion of investments that become worthless and that some company schemes in particular that will fail, for any of a number of reasons. They don’t all happen because of people like Robert Maxwell. Some are just bad luck.
              I don’t think that trying to build up massive funds, under Government control will work in the long run. I do not trust politicians to leave them along. They want to interfere in the investment decisions to fulfill their own little dreams. Look at the people on this blog who want to say where the Cullen fund should put its money. Everyone thinks that hey know best. You’ve seen it, haven’t you?
              My final comment about it being logically impossible to pre-fund pensions for all, without affecting those who are working when the pension is paid, is of course true. It is merely an example of something that is true for an individual is not necessarily true for society as a whole.

              • Colonial Viper

                I don’t think that trying to build up massive funds, under Government control will work in the long run. I do not trust politicians to leave them along. They want to interfere in the investment decisions to fulfill their own little dreams. Look at the people on this blog who want to say where the Cullen fund should put its money. Everyone thinks that hey know best. You’ve seen it, haven’t you?

                Shit dude, so you trust bankers, finance companies and Wall St to look after your investment funds instead?

                The NZ Government is 100x more solid than any of those agents buddy.

                • alwyn

                  Oh dear, I said I had finished commenting on this subject but I can’t resist.
                  No I don’t “trust” them at all.
                  I think that Cullen set up the fund for the wrong reasons, which is a separate matter, but at least he did his best to keep the investments out of the hands of his fellow politicians. They always say that a poacher makes the best gamekeeper.
                  That is the structure of the “Guardians of New Zealand Superannuation” (or whatever they are called) who pick the people who will invest the assets. They are supposed to be independent of the politicians. Unfortunately the bigger the pot gets the more temptation there is for the Poly’s to interfere. Even John Key got in at one point when he suggested that a certain percentage should be invested within New Zealand. Luckily he seems to have thought better of that. The Green party are probably the most interested in choosing the investments of course. Certainly they are worse than Labour.
                  In terms of having bankers, finance companies etc looking after my investment funds, no I don’t trust them. This is one of the flaws in Kiwisaver where you are required to have your Kiwisaver investments with one of these organisations. That is where the Australian superannuation system is better. People are allowed to manage them themselves. Not that great a percentage do but you CAN do so. Why can’t we have that here?
                  In terms of the Government part of Superannuation, or the universal old age pension, I don’t think we need a fund at all. Pay it out of current taxation, however that is raised. As I said, wherever it is being paid from it is being provided by those who are working at the time it is spent.

              • prism

                alwyn
                I didn’t say it was 70 NOW. I did manage to incorporate two things in the one sentence in an unclear manner. So sorry. I’ll keep sentences shorter from now on.

    • Draco T Bastard 10.3

      There should always be pilot schemes testing different ways of managing the country which are formulated from a wide number of ideas and input, and then evaluated against set criteria.

      That’s what universities are for and these pilot programs could then be tested at the local government level and filter up. Unfortunately, our central government tends to think it knows best especially when under control of the National Party.

      What government doesn’t understand is that often the family is better off without such a role model and the further away with infrequent contact with the other parent, the better for the child’s moral development and the stability and happiness of the family.

      And that comes back to that false right-wing ideology that the family is more important in a child’s life than anything else even when it is dysfunctional.

      • prism 10.3.1

        DTB
        True about universities, but this bunch once they started to read, went straight on to textbooks that gave improving stories about how to make money. They went to university to do business courses or ones that fitted their conservative brains and just reinforced all their prejudices while there. And probably met their future partner there and parented more self-centred little know-alls.

        And that’s what is important in a child’s life for them to achieve a comfortable lifestyle. And the rest can go scrabble for what they can get and be punished for not being wealthy.

        Interesting how the National Party goes in for Central Planning. I thought they considered that was a Communist disaster – the Five, Ten Year Plan etc. And the Great Leap Forward.

        We did have a Great Leap in 1984 of course followed by strides in other years and have now sunk to incrementally and sneakily removing screws from the body politic and NZ Inc and soon the muffler may fall off, or the crankshaft will be flat (quoting Toad from Wind in the Willows).

        It does pay to view the whole enterprise of NZ under the mendacious politicians as a sweeping filmic epic and then you’re so busy waiting for the next fascinating instalment that you don’t realise that you’re the featured actor and it’s your house that is in flames.

        • Rogue Trooper 10.3.1.1

          personally (in case you were wondering)
          -Mon, community meal
          -Tues, foodbank
          -Wed, counsel
          -Thurs, counsel
          -Everyday, grow veges to distribute around the “cul-de-sac”

          • prism 10.3.1.1.1

            You’re a real trooper Rogue. Do you counsel others, or go to counselling yourself on Wed and Thurs?
            Growing veges everyday sounds interesting. Have you followed the city gardens movement I think mainly in parts of the USA?

            • Colonial Viper 10.3.1.1.1.1

              Rogue Trooper (from AD2000) had his unit violently betrayed by the very top. He then spent years on foot, trudging and fighting through the chemical wastelands of Nu-Earth, to find those responsible for the massacre of the people he cared about. Awesome.

    • mikesh 10.4

      I don’t see why they need names and addresses. I don’t recall providing that information previously, though of course it has been seven years since the last one and I may be wrong. I would have thought they would only be interested in the numbers in the various categories, not the identities of the persons concerned.

    • kiwi_prometheus 11.1

      That’s funny.

      Apparently she operated some cult like think tank / educational outfit in NY.

      Can see why the free market zealots are in love with her.

      [lprent: Your comment pattern this morning looks like a troll. You seem to be haranguing people trying to start a flame war. If you want to discuss something then write something substantive about what your topic for others to disagree with. Don't just harass with assertions that you provide no backing for. I can, if you'd prefer, demonstrate on you why that tactic isn't a good idea for "debate". Your choice really.. ]

  11. Colonial Weka 12

    Comment editor seems to not be working. Loads as ‘comment successfully loaded’ and blank text boxes.

    • Colonial Weka 12.1

      Don’t seem to be able to delete posts either.

      • lprent 12.1.1

        Same system – re-edit. There is hopefully a chorus tech coming in to look at my network link on behalf of Orcon support (who have spent the last week getting upset after I told them that I wasn’t happy about factory resetting my Genius). At present the link is reconnecting every 15 minutes or so.

        I’m looking for a new network supplier. Anyone got bad things to say about Actrix?

        I can only get ADSL+ at present. The UFB in Grey Lynn doesn’t appear to go into apartment blocks.

        I just have to stop being social and going to weddings and the like to get some more time. I really need some time off..

        • Draco T Bastard 12.1.1.1

          At present the link is reconnecting every 15 minutes or so.

          I had that. Lasted for about a week. Orcon finally decided that I was right and that a tech needed to be sent out (it really is irritating trying to explain to the helpdesk staff that I actually know more about the network, fault finding and the processors than they do). On the day the tech was came my internet went down for about two hours and then came back up rock solid but at only 5mbps. For it to be down that long I figured that they must have been doing some work on the cabinet or possibly the exchange (not bloody likely) but the tech didn’t know if anybody was working on the cabinet – he wasn’t – but he turned up a couple of hours after my internet came back up. He replaced a couple of connectors in the DP and I got 17mbps back.

          I’m looking for a new network supplier. Anyone got bad things to say about Actrix?

          The problem is that you’re not dealing directly with Telecom. When an ISP sends a Telecom tech out and there’s nothing found to be wrong with Telecoms network they get charged a huge amount and so the ISP will work very hard not to send out a tech. It results in poor service.

          • lprent 12.1.1.1.1

            Yeah it is a problem. But supposedly Chorus isn’t part of Telecom any more….

            The reason I moved from Telecom many years ago was because their plans sucked* (and I see they still do), but most importantly because it always took a bloody long time to get through to anyone who knew what my problem was – usually routing or network connection.

            $14/mo for national calling OR 24c/min? WTF.

  12. Pascal's bookie 13

    wanna know how much Parata’s bad relationship with Lesley Longstone cost?

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1303/S00061/lesley-longstone-severance-payment-released.htm

    • David H 13.1

      Near half a Million bucks thats obscene.

      • Arfamo 13.1.1

        I know. It’s insane. In most circumstances if your boss doesn’t think you’re doing the job right, or if you don’t think the boss is doing the job right, you end up when you leave with a couple of weeks pay. Can’t understand why the hell you get a fortune to leave at the top end of the business in the same situation.

  13. joe90 14

    This’ll cause a few nightmares.

  14. Chris 15

    So. According to leighton smith it is really good that teachers are out protesting as it is preferable to them being in the classroom “spreading misinformation” According to the information I heard the teachers were doing it BEFORE school so as not to disrupt their classes.I get really annoyed with these radio has- beens who do not even take the time to get their facts right. Was in my daughter’s car so took a while to find the knob to turn the KNOB off.

  15. Tim 16

    You know what? …. WOT! said fred.
    I look at all the various categories of posts on here: ‘Throw another Mill on the Barbie'; The constitutional ….etcetera; Asset sales et al.
    WHERE THE FUCK IS LABOUR?
    missing in action, and quite probably having a lay down (gathering their strength of course for some pathetic assault in future).
    A Main Stream Media of a right-wing bent, a piece of journalistic couch material disguising herself amongst the various fabrics that create one-off wearable wardrobes – hell bent on a bit of rough-trade.
    FFS there’s a cliff that saw herself amongst an era long gone (bring up the African drums).
    You probably don’t get it atm. QUITE OBVIOUSLY neither does Trev, but prepare yourselves for the aftermath.
    I hadn’t been aware that Trev n Jane as an item were public knowledge (as I’ve seem elsewhere)., but their positions as representaives – FIRSTLY as politicians, and secondly as representatives of a supposed 4TH ESTATE, pretty much says it all.
    No no no, these are also the people I expect to be the folk that squeel like pigs in the not-to-distant

    • gobsmacked 16.1

      Shearer has been in most of the MSM, over the past 48 hours. Today he was doing Newstalk ZB, Radio NZ, yesterday Radio Live, etc.

      So let’s be fair. He’s been seen and heard in the media. Unfortunately, that’s when the problems start …

    • Bill 17.1

      Em – er -yes…indeed. Maybe. Hard to tell really.

    • Blue 17.2

      Pretty sure that doesn’t link to what you think it links to…

      • Murray Olsen 17.2.1

        I hope you’re right there, Blue.

        • McFlock 17.2.1.1

          much lols! For the census and gender thread, for those who didn’t pick it.

          And now for something completely different

          • McFlock 17.2.1.1.1

            Checks – yes, that’s the one :)

            Also just checked me work emails – fortunately that cut&paste error was the only one. Could have made for some interesting discussions, though :)

            • Colonial Viper 17.2.1.1.1.1

              4 press releases and the number which have newsworthy statements is…

              Good that Christchurch recovery is so important, too bad they demoted their key Christchurch MP to Siberia

              • McFlock

                oh, sorry – forgot you were playing “Fantasy Politics”, with your pick for team labour having a different line-up under Captain Cunliffe.

                The point being that the “missing in action” rhetoric is just more bullshit. Like the “Siberia” line.

                • felixviper

                  My pick for team labour has a different line-up regardless of who the leader is.

                  I wonder how long it will take until you lot figure out that criticism of Shearer and his decisions has bugger all to do with Cunliffe or anyone else.

                  • McFlock

                    Are we all talking exclusively about you again? Joy.

                    • felixviper

                      Nope, and a weird thing to say McF.

                      Am I not allowed to add my 2c to this thread?

                    • McFlock

                      Just making sure. I seem to recall that last time Hopefully that goes to “reshuffle for unity” – on my form so far today it’ll probably go to an obscure statsNZ paper on ethnicity and the census) we ended up talking at cross purposes past each other because you thought my comments about recurring themes in comments here were comments about specific quotes you make.

                      If we’re not talking specifically about you, chapter and verse, then a lot of the time here I think that people are letting their disappointment that Cunliffe isn’t leader affect their assessment of what labour and Shearer are doing or saying. Just because a tory MSM aren’t picking up doesn’t mean that Labour are doing nothing.

                    • felixviper

                      “a lot of the time here I think that people are letting their disappointment that Cunliffe isn’t leader affect their assessment of what labour and Shearer are doing or saying.”

                      Meh, maybe so. It’d be a lot more convincing if the general public as polled and surveyed didn’t generally agree though, wouldn’t it?

                      Unless the polls and surveys are also heavily weighted toward embittered Cunliffe supporters of course, but I don’t think that’s any more likely than people on this forum saying they don’t think Shearer and Labour are much good for any other reason than, well, that they don’t think they’re much good.

                      “Just because a tory MSM aren’t picking up doesn’t mean that Labour are doing nothing”

                      Lolz. The tory msm have been Shearer’s biggest cheerleaders all along.

                    • McFlock

                      Really? The polls show us that Labour are shit at getting media coverage?What do the polls show us, really? The Labour needs to be more like National? Oh dear, in that case Shearer is indeed doing a shit job. Or maybe Labour need to be a counterpoint to National? In that case, Shearer and labour are shit the other way. Or maybe that it’s not all about whatever Labour does, but other shit counts too? Like National’s strategy of isolating key from competence and responsibility, or the fact that a lot of traditionally “left” people love to shit on Labour and Shearer, both the MSM commentariat and “left wing bloggers”?

                      Polls tell us what is, not why. They tell us, for example, that things are improving for labour, if sluggishly.

                      I’ve no idea if the MSM are picking up Labour inputs or not. Tim reckoned they were “missing in action”. I actually watched the late news tonight, saw hipkins and shearers on the longstone thing. And shearer on the mighty river thing. No idea what tim was talking about.

                      But whatever, between 2pm and 1030pm the MSM suddenly started interviewing the labour front bench to support Shearer from Tim’s scathing attack, or I suggest that Tim’s own perception bias is at fault.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      For a non-Labour supporter I always enjoy your unfailing (although mostly oblique) support of the current Labour/Shearer orthodoxy.

                    • McFlock

                      I usually find it pretty funny, too.

                      It’s almost like people are too lazy to add Labour and Greens and Mana, and draw a shallow line between now and mid-2014.

                      Labour are necessary but not sufficient for a left wing government, regardless of their specific poll result. Their internal politics are largely irrelevant, bar shit overflowing and poisoning the public sphere (e.g. a repeat of the chris carter bs).

                      Nothing is assured, but I don’t see any reason for overly aggressive capitalisation of comments, bizarre analogies of death or hardship, or allegations that Labour are absent, sleepwalking or phoning it in.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Labour is a centrist market oriented party focussed on the votes of median and upper income households. Labour may be part of a left wing government, but since it’s instincts are centrist and market driven, that government will not be left wing because of it.

                      or allegations that Labour are absent, sleepwalking or phoning it in.

                      So you don’t think that those allegations hold water?

                      Feel free to keep setting the bar so fucking low that even a Chihuahua running by is gonna get a concussion.

                    • McFlock

                      Labour will not be the entirety of the next government, even if it might be Labour-led. Assuming that a labour-led governent will be the same as a labour 50%+ sole government is not realistic.

                      Labour aren’t absent. They are issuing releases, being interviewed in the press, and getting out and about.

                      Labour aren’t sleepwalking or phoning it in: those imply that Labour don’t really want to be in government.

                      They are plodding, lack fire and need a bit of an imagination transplant. They have some MPs that are a bit weak and lack experience, from what I see. They have a risk-averse media strategy and have too small a team looking for deficiencies or innovation in new policies – in fact I might go so far as to say there is little or no contingency anticipation at the tactical policy level, and possibly too much policy conservatism at the strategy level. And most of them, including Shearer, need to have like a daily spitballing session where they look at their interviews and think of how they could have done better, or what they would have said in their colleague’s place.

                      But the thing is, I don’t get worked up about those shortcomings that I see. Because left ain’t labour, labour ain’t the left, and the smaller parties will provide the guts that labour currently lack.

                    • felixviper

                      Really? The polls show us that Labour are shit at getting media coverage?What do the polls show us, really? The Labour needs to be more like National? Oh dear, in that case Shearer is indeed doing a shit job. Or maybe Labour need to be a counterpoint to National? In that case, Shearer and labour are shit the other way. Or maybe that it’s not all about whatever Labour does, but other shit counts too? Like National’s strategy of isolating key from competence and responsibility, or the fact that a lot of traditionally “left” people love to shit on Labour and Shearer, both the MSM commentariat and “left wing bloggers”?

                      lolwut? Was that directed to me? ‘Cos all I said was that people don’t seem to think much of Shearer and Labour at the mo.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      McFlock reckons people who think that must have some irrational, illogical dislike of Shearer.

                    • McFlock

                      Actually fv, you also speculated as to why the polls might begiving the results that you appealed to.

                      In case you hadn’t noticed, we had been talking about why people weren’t into labour. I think the general population has slightly different reasons for their poll results than e.g. shearer didn’t promise to renationalise telecom today, he must be a neoliberal, cunliffe would have done it by now

                • Socialist Paddy

                  So the senior lawyer in Labour’s ranks, the Christchurch MP that has worked tirelessly for the area gets told that she has to go for the sake of “renewal”.

                  She did nothing wrong.

                  The decision to demote her was utu for not kissing Shearer’s arse.

                  • felixviper

                    Not to worry, still got Shane Jones eh?

                    • Socialist Paddy

                      Aye.

                      Half of the hardened left activists may have fucked off but they rejoice because they still have the magnificence of Shane Jones.

                      JM&J.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      Soon to be joined by John Tamihere! Start drinking those pints of Brut 33 and Party like it’s 1975!

                  • Rhinocrates

                    Or his elbow, since he can’t tell the difference.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    According to McFlock, Dalziel being demoted to “Siberia” by Shearer is an irrelevancy.

                    He probably thinks it’s renewal etc.

                    • McFlock

                      Nah mate.

                      I just think comparing the back benches at however many hundred $k p.a. with a multi-week train ride to a barren wasteland, starvation diet, overwork, and subzero temperatures is a bit, well, …, a bit shit, really.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      One of Labour’s most experienced MPs, who has been doing a great job advocating for her constituents in a destroyed city, gets rewarded by being shoved down the rankings.

                      If that’s not political Siberia I don’t know what it is.

                      (Hey you didn’t think I was meaning actual geographical Siberia, did you? btw I know people from there and they think that it’s a fine place).

                    • McFlock

                      Oh noes, she’s got a different seat in the house and only a base MP salary! Fuck, that makes a comparison to the Gulag Archipelago totally reasonable!

                      I got that it was an analogy. I just think it was an analogy that was stupid, irrational, lacked perspective and actually sort of ilustrated my point that the major problems people here seem to have with Shearer and Labour probably come from the commenters’ own lack of rationality and perspective.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      You’re blind as a bat mate.

                    • McFlock

                      must be snowblind, being an oppressed mass in Siberia and all. Fuck, I must be, seeing as I’m on a fraction of her salary and can’t make speeches in the house.

                      Maybe the analogy you could have used was “sin binning” – off on the sidelines for a bit, but still able to get back into the game if you’re prepared to play reasonably.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Fuck, here comes the analogy police

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Hey please explain on what grounds you think Shearer judged that Lianne Dalziel was not fulfilling her role as a Labour electorate MP “reasonably”.

                    • McFlock

                      inorite? It’s like the ge5tapo.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      More like the Ministry of Public Enlightenment

                    • McFlock

                      now you’re sounding like vto

                    • McFlock

                      Hey please explain on what grounds you think Shearer judged that Lianne Dalziel was not fulfilling her role as a Labour electorate MP “reasonably”.

                      How the fuck should I know? I’m not in caucus. I know it’s not because she chose sides against Shearer, because there wasn’t an alternative challenger for the leadership.

                      But her demotion sounds like, oh, a demotion to an important and well-paid position, not a train ride to Siberia.

                    • felixviper

                      Ignoring all cold war analogies, she was demoted and it’s not unreasonable to want to know why.

                    • McFlock

                      Indeed. If that’s what rocks your boat. But frankly it could well be unreasonable for a party leader to explain every placement decision to bloggers.

                      And cv asking me for speculation was just stupid.

      • Bill 17.2.2

        Oh, I dunno. The lack of concision, the ambiguity and general confusion is all kind of apt, don’t you think?

        • McFlock 17.2.2.1

          What’s apt is describing a simple and obvious clipboard error as “lack of concision, the ambiguity and general confusion”.

  16. Pete 18

    I’m horrified by this case of torture in Fiji and I really want our government to bring more pressure to bear on the regime in those imprisoned islands.NZ eased sanctions in 2012. Clearly that was a mistake. Restore them and extend them.

    • Murray Olsen 18.1

      But Fiji is WhaleSpew’s favourite democracy and we just don’t understand them. The terrorist in the video won’t think of stealing any more lightbulbs now, will he?

      • Pascal's bookie 18.1.1

        Colonel Trotter has also been scathing of ‘democracy purists’ who just don’t understand that sometimes you need a strong man it make it all gooder.

        • prism 18.1.1.1

          Do you mean Chris Trotter – it doesn’t sound like a complimentary view.

  17. Skinny 19

    News Flash: Share Scalpers crash Mighty River Powers website!

    That’s right those same greedy people ( Trevor Mallard refuse to comment on speculation that he is interested) that buy concert tickets to on sell for huge profits are at it again this time looking to wound us with the buy up of ‘our’ power assets shares!

  18. Rogue Trooper 20

    Ha ha ha ha ha
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1acEVmnVhI
    (the Killer in Me is the Killer in U, Jim.)

  19. dpalenski 22

    Advisers in shock as taxman wins big case

    Senior tax practitioners are in shock after the Inland Revenue Department won another key tax avoidance case in the Court of Appeal, with implications for at least 16 companies and some $300 million of back tax, interest and penalties at stake.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/advisers-in-shock-taxman-wins-big-case-5360372

    • Descendant Of Sssmith 22.1

      Look forward to seeing the managers fired from the firms for fraudulent behaviour, no Golden handshakes, their kids put into cyf care, assets taken off them, partners getting prosecuted for benefitting from the ill gotten salary and bonus payments and both going to jail.

  20. Tom Gould 23

    Another party political broadcast from Corin Dann on behalf of his preferred party, even this time concluding the float was so popular the ‘opposition parties’ are now irrelevant. This from the political editor of the public television broadcaster. The Tory twat should be sacked, or come clean and go work for Key openly. Mind, that would require integrity.

    • Colonial Viper 23.1

      Just how sure are you that the Opposition is actually relevant?

      • Tom Gould 23.1.1

        They have a view and ethics demand balance and fairness in reportage. To rule them out regardless, makes his reportage propaganda.

  21. Elizabeth Bourchier Real Labour 24

    That nice Mr Trotter had provided some of the text of David Shearer’s interview with Duncan Garner.
    And naturally some very insightful commentary.

    “Mr Shearer’s comments are further proof (if proof is still required) of the man’s ideological orthodoxy, economic passivity and political timidity.

    No wonder the Right is so determined to keep him exactly where he is.

    Perhaps it’s time to calculate the opportunity cost of David Shearer?”

    Link to http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/03/05/the-opportunity-cost-of-david-shearer/

  22. ropata 25

    Not surprising, TDB is even more anti Shearer than this place.

    Blogs are fun but they exist at the fringes of politics, Labour & Shearer are trying to position themselves more at the centre, and every policy is negotiable until a real election campaign begins.

    Shearer is trying very hard to look like a reasonable dude to the average kiwi, rather than a freaky left wing zealot who calls the PM a liar.

    (public perception is what wins elections, not badly presented ‘facts’)

    • Arfamo 25.1

      He’s got to radically sharpen up his tv and radio presence then. He comes across like an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about when he gets asked questions beyond his limited script. It’s killing whatever messages he’s trying to get across.

        • KhandallaViper 25.1.1.1

          You are right. Up to a point Ropata, many Kiwi’s are busy with their lives and not into the minutiae like many of us on-line weirdos.

          That point though is when he has a few stuff-ups on the 6.00 news and in heavily watched elections TV debates. Then most kiwis will respond negatively.

          Many on these pages are experienced participants and/or observers of politicians and politics.
          They had doubts about many aspects of Shearer from early on:
          Shearer was given the benefit of the doubt for a long enough period;
          then Shearer confirmed those doubts;
          then Shearer even managed to smash the “nice guy” image;
          and Shearer extends and confirms the doubts most of the times he speaks.

    • Colonial Viper 25.2

      and every policy is negotiable until a real election campaign begins.

      Seriously?

      And Shearer is some kind of professional, trained in the war zone, hostile environment negotiator in-extremis?

      Is there some special style of negotiation I’m not aware of where you fold all your cards before the first round has even finished being dealt, and where you give away all your chips before betting starts???

      • ropata 25.2.1

        what is there to negotiate? labour isn’t in government.
        he can only make a bunch of promises or commitments that tend to come back later and bite you on the arse at an inconvenient time on an election campaign

        • Colonial Viper 25.2.1.1

          And it’s not like Savage or Kirk won by making promises or commitments to Labour voters, is it?

          Perhaps this is our fate from here on in. Centrist middling mediocrity, hard to criticise the flavour because it doesn’t taste like anything.

          At least National has the power of its convictions.

          • Draco T Bastard 25.2.1.1.1

            And it’s not like Savage or Kirk won by making promises or commitments to Labour voters, is it?

            This.

            We need a party of the left willing to stand on principle, to make promises and then to keep them. The ones we have are too busy making deals – just like National.

          • prism 25.2.1.1.2

            CV
            Give those Centrists some Kaitaia Chilli – get them moving. It should be come a ritual for every new left government to have crackers and chilli to underline their commitment to keep hot and keen for the people’s betterment.

            And National’s convictions having power, I wouldn’t like to rely on that energy for when they have sold all the electricity assets and dug down to all the oil and gas. After that they we will find they haven’t have any power in reserve for us.

    • Draco T Bastard 25.3

      Blogs are fun but they exist at the fringes of politics…

      That may be where they are but they’re not staying there and are rapidly moving to the centre of politics.

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  • From Fiji’s dictatorship to ‘democracy’ – the AUT student team on t...
    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
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