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Open mike 05/08/2012

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, August 5th, 2012 - 211 comments
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Step right up to the mike…

211 comments on “Open mike 05/08/2012”

  1. Carol 1

    Interesting Occupy Christchurch oral history project, aiming to get it off the ground using crowd funding:

    https://www.pledgeme.co.nz/Crowd/Details/313#review

    Oral History of Occupy Chch By Byron Clark

    For 162 days, from October 15th 2011 until March 25th 2012, protesters camped out in a corner of Hagley Park as part of a global protest against wealth inequality. Over that time what The Press described as “one of Christchurchs most unusual communities”
    [...]
    My goal is to raise enough money for the recording equipment needed to conduct this oral history project, and self publish a book- with copies being donated to the Alexander Turnbull Library, Christchurch City Libraries, Archives New Zealand and the Canterbury Museum archive. This will provide an important historical record looking at what was going on locally in the early 2010s- an era where Time magazine made “The Protester” their person for the year.

    As the MSM are already writing off the occupy movement, I reckon it’s a good idea to put some of the NZ/Aotearoa voices from the movement on record.

    Also will be interesting to see how successful the crowd funding is.

    • Jenny 1.1

      According to Colonial Viper the peaceful Occupy protesters are all foreigners that fully deserve to be mowed down with machine gun fire.

      Oh wait, I am mistaken. Colonial Viper is a racist who thinks this treatment only suitable for Arabs.

      [ Jenny. This daily goading of CV is getting very tiresome. See this as a polite request for you to pull your head in - Bill]

      • weka 1.1.1

        According to Colonial Viper the peaceful Occupy protesters are all foreigners that fully deserve to be mowed down with machine gun fire.
         

        Links to back up that statement please.

      • Jenny 1.1.2

        A person who supports a mass murderer and torturer deserves a daily goading, (at least). CVs poisonous racism and Islamaphobia is on open display on this website and is not being challenged by you Bill.

        I will continue to confront racists and apologists for crimes against humanity. Bill, you can protect them from my criticism if you choose.

        But I will not ignore racists or stop criticising them.

        Personally I think it would be more honourable for you to either argue against my position using facts, or argue CV’s case if that is what you feel.

        Sincerely Jenny

        [ If you have a position on events in Syria, then by all means argue your case in the appropriate thread or section of open mike. For days now, you're basic thrust has been to inaccurately malign CV at every opportunity while showing no concern for how your off topic interjections mess up debate/discussion. To the best of my knowledge there have been no comments made by CV that exhibit either 'poisoness racism' or 'Islamaphobia'. If you can link to such comments then I strongly suggest that you do so. Otherwise, and bearing in mind that I've had enough of all this nonsense, end it. Not one more word pertaining to CV's supposed racism, Islamophobia or otherwise using his comments to 'have a go'. I hope that's clear. I really dislike imposing 'holidays' on people, but from where I'm sitting it appears you are intent on packing your bags. Please prove me wrong. - Bill]

        • weka 1.1.2.1

          Jenny I don’t have a problem with you arguing against racism, but you engage in slander far too often for your posts to be that useful. Many of your posts about CV contain content that isn’t fact based and is merely your (negative) assertion/opinion. You seem to not understand the difference between fact and opinion. Unfortunately it’s starting to make me question the integrity of everything else you say.
           
          Speaking of facts, are you going to respond to my post 1.1.1?

          • Jenny 1.1.2.1.1

            I think a Citation is required here Weka.

              • Jenny

                You will have to better than that Weka.

                I have characterised Colonial Viper’s depiction of the Arab people who have waged the Arab Spring as being agents of the West as “racist”.

                Colonial Viper’s subtext, being that the Arabs are too cowardly and timid to take on these mostly Western backed regimes.

                You will notice that CV himself has never defended himself from these accusations.

                I imagine though that he has submitted many bitter complaints to the moderators on being challenged on his racism.

                [No Jenny, s/he hasn't. We get the point, you have a thing against CV. Please take the hint from the growing response here and consider your point well made eh? - thanks - r0b]

                • weka

                  I said that you post assertion as fact. You asked for my back up. I posted the link.
                   
                  example:
                   

                  According to Colonial Viper the peaceful Occupy protesters are all foreigners that fully deserve to be mowed down with machine gun fire.
                   

                  You’ve since acknowledged that CV never said or implied such a thing. You lied, and you used the lie to smear CV. It’s bullshit.

                  • Jenny

                    Weka I think it is a bit of stretch to accuse me of lying. where is the lie? As I have admitted I was indulging in satire to make a point. The point being while he is content to see Arab Spring protesters mowed down by the army on the orders of the government, that even Colonial Viper (hopefully) would object to see unarmed protesters being mown down with machine guns if it happened in this country.

                • Colonial Viper

                  I imagine though that he has submitted many bitter complaints to the moderators on being challenged on his racism.

                  From what I read, that’s far from being the only thing going on in your imagination.

          • Jenny 1.1.2.1.2

            As for a response to your comment 1.1.1. To make it clear I was using satire to make a point. CV did not actually say that peaceful New Zealand unarmed protesters were all foreigners that deserved to be shot to death. But, he has argued this very case for the peaceful protesters who first confronted Bashar Assad’s regime.

            • weka 1.1.2.1.2.1

              right. But can you see that for anyone not inside your head, or aware of your feelings about CV, the post about Occupy is nothing close to satire and makes absolutely no sense. Any new reader here is going to think CV is an arse. For regulars it just comes across as someone with a grudge who uses off topic posts at every chance to have a go at someone else.

              • Any new reader here is going to think CV is an arse. For regulars it just comes across as someone with a grudge who uses off topic posts at every chance to have a go at someone else.

                Fair enough if you are trying to support CV, but “uses off topic posts at every chance to have a go at someone else” is hardly out of the ordinary here. Are you speaking against repeat harassment here in general, or just in this case?

                • Kotahi Tāne Huna

                  :roll:

                • weka

                  I’m not supporting CV, I’m objecting to Jenny’s behaviour. It’s tedious and interferes with the flow of conversation. I haven’t been reading hardly any of the comments on Syria, so I don’t know what Jenny is on about. From the little I know of CV, her criticisms don’t match outside of the Syria issue, and I doubt they even make sense within the Syria issue. She just comes across as irrational or with a bug up her arse, and as I’ve pointed out doesn’t seem to understand what arguing the facts is. I’m sick of it.
                   
                  The difference between what Jenny is doing, and the general rough and tumble here, is that she is now stalking CV and being a tr*ll. It doesn’t particularly surprise me that you don’t get the difference, you always seem to not understand the culture of this place, or certain social norms here.
                   
                  Either that or your question is a disingenuous nod to how you feel you’ve been treated.
                   

                  • The difference between what Jenny is doing, and the general rough and tumble here, is that she is now stalking CV and being a tr*ll.

                    That you would make a statement like that suggests that you seem to not understand the culture of this place, and are oblivious to certain social norms here.

                    I don’t have a problem with either CV or Jenny, I don’t follow much of either but it’s easy to ignore what doesn’t interest you, if you choose. Some choose to stalk, that’s obviously frowned on at times, but it is common and often supported.

                    • weka

                      Please give me an example of someone being stalked in the past week, other than CV.
                       
                      Whether you have a problem with CV or Jenny or not is completely irrelevant. What matters is whether it affects the site. Plenty of people, including two moderators, say it does. You really think that your personal experience matters more than that?
                       

                      but it’s easy to ignore what doesn’t interest you, if you choose
                       

                      LOL. So says the man who has been banned multiple times for behaviour that pisses off lots of people and disrupts the site.

            • Pascal's bookie 1.1.2.1.2.2

              “But, he has argued this very case for the peaceful protesters who first confronted Bashar Assad’s regime”

              Cite for this.

              This is what Bill is talking about. CV has pointed out that AQ and other groups are involved in the syrian civil war. He’s right about that. Here’s an interview with some of them:

              http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/30/al-qaida-rebels-battle-syria?CMP=twt_gu

              From what I’ve seen you think that all this is just propaganda, and from that you make the rather astounding leap that CV is a a racist islamaphobe who bla blah blah. Your failure to actually argue case is what the problen seems to be.

        • Jenny 1.1.2.2

          The regime of Basher Assad beloved by so called Western leftists is condemned by the elected Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas

          http://kiaoragaza.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/palestinian-refugees-shelled-by-syrian-regime-14-dead/

          • grumpy 1.1.2.2.1

            …….I think you have a few issues…………………

            • muzza 1.1.2.2.1.1

              What this shows graphically, is where the blind get it so very wrong when doggedly beieving in a cause.

              The intention is good (although becoming questionable given the rantings), the cause is worthy, but the lack of holistic self awareness casts a very dark shaddow of negative energy in the direction of the targeted recipients of the good intentions.

              Having spent some time participating in the local active scene, it appears that it is all too common, for those involved to lack the self awareness, and hence the abilities to really make a difference. In fact they become a driver for turning people away from good causes and important issues, who might otherwise build numbers to make some genuine positive change.

              Because of these types of people, the active community is destined to always be “fringe loonies”, and that is a real shame, but will not change until some people of integrity, and leadership appear, and get involved.

              In the meantime, the Jennys of the active world will in fact help the well intended causes to lose ground, by simply turning people away through shear blody minded ignorance!

              • weka

                There is also the issue of being unable to take feedback from one’s peers.

                • muzza

                  Depends who one sees as peers, if indeed they see things that way at all.

                  The other point is that many on here have posted links about Syria, cv, bill, P’s B, myself, and others, yet its seems only cv is getting the treatment, which indicates some other problem/factors are at play.

                  Pick a number….

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Yeah that’s an interesting observation. Disagreement over my energy depletion vs climate change position preceeded Jenny’s objections to my Syria statements.

                    • weka

                      Plus the criticisms of the middle classes. It’s not like you’re the only person who makes those points.

                    • Jenny

                      Yeah that’s an interesting observation. Disagreement over my energy depletion vs climate change position preceeded Jenny’s objections to my Syria statements.

                      Colonial Viper

                      That is right CV you have generally been the voice that leads the charge for conservative BAU fossil fuel use that will condemn us all.

                      It came as little surprise to me that you also support the status quo in the Middle East.

                      Are the two linked?

                      Yes, in that they are both a product of a misanthropic world view that argues that human beings are powerless to defeat repressive political regimes, or powerful vested interest.

                      I have always begged to differ and have cited examples from New Zealand and world history to disprove this widely perceived world view.

                      PS. And you shouldn’t be so coy CV. I have made this “interesting observation” to you previously myself.

                    • weka

                      That is right CV you have generally been the voice that leads the charge for conservative BAU fossil fuel use that will condemn us all.
                       

                      More mistaken opinion stated as fact.
                       
                      Please provide three links to places where CV has promoted fossil fuel use in the way that conservative typically do, and where he has lead the way on this.

                  • Jenny

                    The other point is that many on here have posted links about Syria, cv, bill, P’s B, myself, and others, yet its seems only cv is getting the treatment, which indicates some other problem/factors are at play.

                    muzza

                    Quite correct Muzza, It is because I fear that CV’s views are silently held by many others here that he gets the treatment.

                    If I thought that he was just a lone right wing nutter I would ignore him.

                    Unfortunately for him being the most vociferous in his support for this murderer and torturer he gets the full force of my fury. To his credit he has dared to raise his head above the parapet.

              • Jenny

                It is the blind supporters of murders and torturers who turn people away from the left.

                • Pascal's bookie

                  People that turn a blind eye to Al Qaeda and the like? Yeah, it’s a problem.

                  • Jenny

                    Not afraid to take a stand, New Zealand’s own Anita McNaught goes to the front line.

                    http://kiaoragaza.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/rebel-fighters-consolidating-hold-in-east-aleppo-reporter/

                    A deserved slap in the face for kiwi quislings like Colonial Viper who support the Assad regime in it’s murder and torture and deride and defame the Syrian people’s attempts to rid themselves of the tyrant.

                    • deuto

                      I was trying to refrain from commenting on what has gone on today re your apparent obsession with CV, but obviously everything that has been said, including by the moderators, has gone over your head and you could not help yourself with this latest:

                      A deserved slap in the face for kiwi quislings like Colonial Viper who support the Assad regime in it’s murder and torture and deride and defame the Syrian people’s attempts to rid themselves of the tyrant.

                      If you had left out ‘like CV’ , I would feel some respect for you and your views, but you have now lost me and I will no longer be reading any of your comments.

                  • Jenny

                    People that turn a blind eye to Al Qaeda and the like?….

                    Pascal’s bookie

                    This is just the propaganda put about by the regime. By parroting it, it is you PB who is willfully turning a blind eye to the mass murder of peaceful civilian protesters and the torture and murder of the families of army deserters that preceded the armed insurrection.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      New York Times describes increasing religious radicalisation of Syrian conflict, and role of foreign fighters

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/world/middleeast/as-syrian-war-drags-on-jihad-gains-foothold.html?pagewanted=all

                      But jihad has become a distinctive rallying cry. The commander of the newly unified brigades of the Free Syrian Army fighting in Aleppo was shown in a YouTube video on Sunday exhorting men joining the rebellion there by telling them: “Those whose intentions are not for God, they had better stay home, whereas if your intention is for God, then you go for jihad and you gain an afterlife and heaven.”

                    • muzza

                      “This is just the propaganda put about by the regime. By parroting it, it is you PB who is willfully turning a blind eye to the mass murder of peaceful civilian protesters and the torture and murder of the families of army deserters that preceded the armed insurrection”

                      –Where to begin with this one…

                      1: Propaganda from the regime – What regime would have the control over the links posted from the various sources, we have been posting, and where does Al Jazeera, and Anita McNaught fit into that regime you talk about? Sounds all very confused to me Jenny, not to mention contradictory!

                      2: Mass Murder of peaceful civilian protesters – You keep spouting this, yet can’t recall seeing where you provided a link which was not easily negated by many others. And I have not heard you make any mention of the numerous Syrians who actually support Assad, I guess that doesn’t much matter, cos it makes a rather big hole on your belief system.

                      3: Deserters – Um, yeah there has been a heap of them right, but there has been many more caught and killed who have been shipped into Syria to fight the military, who are deserters and mercenaries who have been murdering and killing innocent civillians too, yet you continue to ignore these deserters who are a rag tag bunch of rent a jihadi working for the paycheck of the Qatari. Saudi, NATO warmongers

                      4: Speaking of Qatar, Bharain, Saudi etc – No mention from you about the civillians getting crushed on regular basis, murdered, tortured etc by those regimes, unless I missed it, another rather gaping hole in your discussion points

                      Jenny the key thing to remember is that on any side of a debate, no one can be entirely right or wrong, there is simply too many complex issue at play here, it can only be a case of read as many points of views and materials from as many sources as it take to form an opinion, then keep reading more and be prepared for your opinion to evolve, thats really the best any of us can do eh. Sticking to a position which has been reasonably well proven to be incorrect, and then hurling abuse at people who point this out, really just makes you lose credibility, and also negatively impacts how well your message could be recieved, surely you can see that is unhelpful to those you claim to support?

                      In war, truth is the first casualty. Aeschylus Greek tragic dramatist (525 BC – 456 BC)

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      “This is just the propaganda put about by the regime.”

                      Here’s an interview conducted by a war correspondent with some of the rebels. I’ll include a longish quote because I have the feeling you’re not inclined to read links, so it will pay to get the evidence into this thread:

                      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/30/al-qaida-rebels-battle-syria?CMP=twt_gu

                      But these were not average members of the Free Syrian Army. Abu Khuder and his men fight for al-Qaida. They call themselves the ghuraba’a, or “strangers”, after a famous jihadi poem celebrating Osama bin Laden’s time with his followers in the Afghan mountains, and they are one of a number of jihadi organisations establishing a foothold in the east of the country now that the conflict in Syria has stretched well into its second bloody year.

                      They try to hide their presence. “Some people are worried about carrying the [black] flags,” said Abu Khuder. “They fear America will come and fight us. So we fight in secret. Why give Bashar and the west a pretext?” But their existence is common knowledge in Mohassen. Even passers-by joke with the men about car bombs and IEDs.

                      According to Abu Khuder, his men are working closely with the military council that commands the Free Syrian Army brigades in the region. “We meet almost every day,” he said. “We have clear instructions from our [al-Qaida] leadership that if the FSA need our help we should give it. We help them with IEDs and car bombs. Our main talent is in the bombing operations.” Abu Khuder’s men had a lot of experience in bomb-making from Iraq and elsewhere, he added.

                      Abu Khuder spoke later at length. He reclined on a pile of cushions in a house in Mohassen, resting his left arm which had been hit by a sniper’s bullet and was wrapped in plaster and bandages. Four teenage boys kneeled in a tight crescent in front of him, craning their necks and listening with awe. Other villagers in the room looked uneasy.

                      Abu Khuder had been an officer in a mechanised Syrian border force called the Camel Corps when he took up arms against the regime. He fought the security forces with a pistol and a light hunting rifle, gaining a reputation as one of the bravest and most ruthless men in Deir el-Zour province and helped to form one of the first FSA battalions.

                      He soon became disillusioned with what he saw as the rebel army’s disorganisation and inability to strike at the regime, however. He illustrated this by describing an attempt to attack the government garrison in Mohassen. Fortified in a former textile factory behind concrete walls, sand bags, machine-gun turrets and armoured vehicles, the garrison was immune to the rebels’ puny attempt at assault.

                      “When we attacked the base with the FSA we tried everything and failed,” said Abu Khuder. “Even with around 200 men attacking from multiple fronts they couldn’t injure a single government soldier and instead wasted 1.5m Syrian pounds [£14,500] on firing ammunition at the walls.”

                      Then a group of devout and disciplined Islamist fighters in the nearby village offered to help. They summoned an expert from Damascus and after two days of work handed Abu Khuder their token of friendship: a truck rigged with two tonnes of explosives.

                      That describes defectors from the regime, joining up with the FSA, becoming disillusioned with the capabilities of the FSA and hooking up with Al Qaeda. Which is entirely understandable and predictable. It’s what happens in civil wars. It is not some romantic fucking game where the good guys win as long as their hearts stay pure.

                      It is entirely predictiable and expected that AQ will move into the chaos of Syria, and just as predictible that the rebels will see this as usefull. Denying it is just ignorant.

                      Here’s another link:

                      http://www.rt.com/news/syrian-host-saeed-executed-868/

                      That describes the kidnapping and killing of a tv presenter by the rebels. Again, entirely the sort of thing you expect to see happenning when pluralism breaks down in a country going through a civil war. This journo was broadcasting propagnda, so they captured him and slaughtered him, and are using his slaughter in their own propaganda. That’s what civil war looks like.

                      So what do you think should be done?

                      Be specific. I want to hear what you think the NZ govt should do, and what you think ‘the left’ should do.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      And here’s a link to the statement from the group that excecuted the journalist:

                      http://austintice.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/web-resources-on-alleged-execution-of.html#!/2012/08/web-resources-on-alleged-execution-of.html

                      We warned previously that there was no place in the middle for anyone, the regime would not accept that. And the people of Jihad, with the clarity of their way and the strength of their belief, would not accept that either. It is upon all to decide to choose one of the two sides; which team to support, to stand before God, most high, and make this choice.

                      By the favor of God for the Mujahideen in the al-Nusra front, the heroes of the western [don’t know], over the media Shabih Mohammed Said, on the date July 19, 2012, was killed after an interrogation. The Shabih Mohammed al-Said worked for the Syrian satellite station, and previously presented for the program “Hadith al-Balad” [Talk of the Nation].

                      Perhaps, through this operation, and others like it, [we will] express to everyone who supports this tyrannical regime will repent to God, and the swords of the Mujahideen will reap their heads and purify the land of Sham [historical name for Syria] from their filth, in shaa allah.

          • Frank Macskasy 1.1.2.2.2

            “The regime of Basher Assad beloved by so called Western leftists…”

            Really?!

            Gosh.

            I must’ve missed the email instructing me to love Assad.

            So, how’s that worship of Dear Leader working out for you, Jen?

            By the way, Jenny, in case I shatter your delusions, you might want to take a squizz at this: http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/bloggers-lament-the-ultimate-sacrifice-for-freedom/

            Whatever weird thing you’re doing, I think this is closer to reality.

        • Jenny 1.1.2.3

          It seems clear to me Bill that you are taking sides, many times CV has supported a proven mass murderer and torturer. I also see that further down this thread you also object to me challenging CV for his continual support for continueing with policies that will seriously increase global warming.

          I also notice that you have never criticised CV for deriding those he scapegoats as “middle class”.

          • weka 1.1.2.3.1

            < :roll: >

          • grumpy 1.1.2.3.2

            One man’s mass murderer and torturer is another’s freedom fighter.

            Pardon me if I do not share your view of Al Queda as “freedom fighters”.

            Seems like you start from the premise “Palestinian good, Israeli bad” and then go careering off on a tangent from there.

            More thought required.

    • weka 1.2

      Thanks Carol, great project. Looks like they reached their target already too.

      • Jenny 1.2.1

        My apologies to Carol for disrupting her thread. I thought my satirical comment would be just passed by. But it seems the apologists for Assad decided to make a stand.

    • Mark 1.3

      “My goal is to raise enough money for the recording equipment needed to conduct this oral history”

      I suggest that this is not expensive equipment.

      http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?searchType=all&searchString=voice+recorder&rptpath=all&type=Search&generalSearch_keypresses=15&generalSearch_suggested=14

      It also seemed that whenever Police were there to uphold the law there were plenty of Occupy supporters recording “brutality”.. perhaps ask some of them?

      • weka 1.3.1

        What’s your point Mark? $1200 for the whole project, including self publishing a book and giving copies of the audio to various museums, doesn’t seem excessive. There is also a quality issue in recording oral histories that would affect what equipment was bought.

        • felix 1.3.1.1

          It’s a bargain basement price and won’t include paying for anyone’s time either.

          Many people seem to think that because they got iPhoto and Garageband with their macbook that everything can be done for free now.

          • Colonial Viper 1.3.1.1.1

            And they typically don’t understand the quality difference between professional/studio grade equipment and cheap consumer crap. A Sony consumer grade video camera might be $500. A Sony professional video camera might start at $50,000. And the entire range inbetween.

            • Carol 1.3.1.1.1.1

              Indeed. And for this particular project the researcher is hoping to lodge the recordings in the archives of Alexander Turnbull, and other libraries and a museum. I understand they usually prefer “archival quality” recordings:

              http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/hands/preparation-a-guide-to-recording-oral-history

              Equipment

              To record oral history you will need to use the best-quality equipment you can buy, borrow or hire. Poor sound recordings will be of little use to researchers in the future.

  2. Socialist Paddy 2

    I have just watched the replay of The Nation on TV3 and more particularly the Colin Craig interview. Louisa Wall was great and really dominated. Craig achieved an unusual status, he was odious, overbearing and smarmy all at the one time. He kept on overtaking Wall who to her credit stood her ground and managed with some very concise responses ridiculed what he was saying.

    Craig has some unusual views.  Apparently homosexuality is a lifestyle choice while at the time is evidence of abuse as a child. He is also fully in favour of there being a referendum on the subject but is opposed the a Parliamentary Select Committee from hearing submissions on the bill. How undemocratic is that? Louisa’s response that New Zealand gave the vote to women in 1893 without the need for a referendum whereas it took Switzerland until 1971 for the first Canton to give women the vote with the benefit of a referendum.

    IMHO the issue is purely one of human rights. Why should gay and lesbian couples be discriminated against?

    The Green MPs are all supportive. There are 8 Labour MPs who have not declared a position or have not decided yet. Jones and Sio have not declared, Twyford, O’Connor, Cosgrove, Huo, Prasad and Robertson have declared they are undecided.

    I hear that O’Connor, Robertson and O’Connor are unlikely to vote in favour.

    Shame on them. MPs in a progressive party should prefer principle over red neck populism every time.

    • Louisa Wall has impressed me since her bill was drawn from the ballot, she has worked strongly and positively to get support, and uses good fact based arguments. I was a bit doubtful about her abilities, but she’s proven to be a very good MP.

      Colin Craig keeps shooting anti marriage equality in the feet.

      I don’t think MPs with different views should be shamed, all MPs have a right to vote on their conscience. Democracy shouldn’t demand everyone back one side.

      • Socialist Paddy 2.1.1

        Oops I meant to say Cosgrove. And if an MP in a progressive party does not support human rights then they should be shamed.

        • Pete George 2.1.1.1

          Interesting contrast between Wall and Cosgrove, who both had bills drawn at the same time.

          Cosgrove, fading old school MP – his approach was a cranky attack on National saying if they didn’t support his bill it meant something irrelevant and totally unsupported by facts. He presumably chose his bill as a political attack weapon.

          Wall, up and coming fresh approach MP – her approach was to work with MPs from other parties to build support for her bill based on well expressed facts. Her bill was the right approach at the right time and an very good example of an appropriate Member’s bill

          Result.
          Cosgrove’s bill is doomed from the start and largely ignored.
          Wall’s bill looks assured of success with increasingly popular support.

      • Te Reo Putake 2.1.2

        :roll:

    • Colonial Viper 2.2

      Why would a gay MP be expected to vote against this Bill?

      • Te Reo Putake 2.2.1

        They wouldn’t, CV! I think it’s likely that 2 socially conservative Labour MP’s (O’Connor and Cosgrove) will abstain, but I would be very surprised if any MP on the left votes against the bill.

      • Socialist Paddy 2.2.2

        Ross Robertson, not Grant Robertson. 

        • QoT 2.2.2.1

          And if in a bizarro-world situation Grant R. did vote against it wouldn’t be unprecedented since Finlayson is already down as a “no”.

  3. Ministry of Justice 3

    I have a question about the gay marriage bill.

    According to the NZ Herald

    Ms Wall re-emphasised yesterday that her legislation would change the state’s definition of marriage, not the church’s definition, and religious institutions would be free to opt out of marrying same-sex couples.

    What legislation, i.e. which section of which act, would allow religious institutions to opt out of marrying same-sex couples?

    • bad12 3.1

      Conversely, which section of which Act makes it compulsory for religious institutions to marry anyone???,

      I was always under the impression that a couple wishing to marry in a church had to ask the churches permission…

      • Ministry of Justice 3.1.1

        Human Rights Act 1993
        Section 21 Prohibited grounds of discrimination
        (1) For the purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are—

        (m) sexual orientation, which means a heterosexual, homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual orientation.

        • Colonial Viper 3.1.1.1

          None of which is going to get Destiny Church (and others) to do anything differently.

  4. Dv 4

    Did I just hear that the Govt are getting a new valuation for the rezone houses, so they can charge the insurance companies.

    How come they don’t use the 2007 valuations the forced on the red zoners. That would be a zero sum game. Are they expecting to make windfall profit. If that is so that is DISGRACEFUL.

    • Descendant Of Smith 4.1

      You are assuming the valuation will be higher. It may not be.

      I’ve always seen that 2007 valuation as fair as house prices had dropped in many parts of Christchurch since 2007.

      One of our family friends had just gone unconditional, two days before the first quake, were selling their house and moving to Hamilton. They had sold for $20,000 less than the GV. The buyer was allowed to pull out as the house was wrecked and subsequently they received an extra $20,000.

      The issue really isn’t the use of the valuation, the issue is the increased cost of land and the increased cost of building.

      For many who are moving or have moved to other towns and to Aussie it’s a non-issue.

      For those staying and building it the costs are higher than their previous home was worth.

      In saying that many house insurance policies are now not for a value but for a square footage at a certain quality of material. A value shouldn’t matter in those circumstances.

  5. David H 5

    14 Billion barrels of oil. Hmmm that should be worth a pretty penny, but who will get the money ? And who could be left with a cleanup?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7416887/Oil-company-going-ahead-with-East-Coast-operation

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      there’s no way there’s 14B of proven, extractable oil. Those kinds of figures would put the oil field there amongst the largest in the world, up with the fields in Russia, Iraq and Iran.

      • Jenny 5.1.1

        there’s no way there’s 14B of proven, extractable oil. Those kinds of figures would put the oil field there amongst the largest in the world, up with the fields in Russia, Iraq and Iran.

        Colonial Viper

        Are you actually questioning the veracity of oil companies CV?

        Or, are you just trying to downplay the size of this oil field as minor, and a little drilling won’t hurt anyone?

        [ Jenny. Did you not see my moderators edit on your previous comment up the thread? Or did you choose to ignore it? I'll be nice and assume the former. But any more comments from you that attempt to goad or snipe at CV will result in a ban. - Bill]

        • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1

          :roll:

        • Jenny 5.1.1.2

          Bill, I thought you were only against my challenging of Colonial Viper’s support for a murderous torturer.

          Bill are you now expanding this to protecting Colonial Viper’s open support for climate change pollution as well?

          • Kotahi Tāne Huna 5.1.1.2.1

            Bill is right – you should have been given this warning weeks ago. When did you stop beating your children?

        • Pete George 5.1.1.3

          On the scale of goading and sniping here this seems very mild. Is this isolated adminishing, or setting a new standard? (Serious question to establish an understanding of what is deemed unacceptable).

        • Jenny 5.1.1.4

          Bill. Did you not see my polite comment on your moderators edit up the thread.

          I’ll be nice and assume you didn’t. Banning me while leaving Colonial Viper free to spew his warmist and racist propaganda unchallenged, risks bringing this site into disrepute.

          If you disagree with what I am saying why not argue the case. Point out if you can where I am going wrong.

          Or if you support Colonial Viper’s position why not say so. And argue in his defence.

          But don’t try and claim that you are not partizan.

          Your threats already against me already show that.

          [ This one? http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-05082012/comment-page-1/#comment-502602. Yes. So now we are clear that all relevant comments have been seen. That's good. - Bill]

          • gareth 5.1.1.4.1

            FFS C.V. is allowed to have his own opinion… you calling him out everyday with an unprovoked snide remark is tiresome at best…
            Just post your opinion and leave the personal shit out of it… all it does is detract from your argument…

          • TheContrarian 5.1.1.4.2

            “risks bringing this site into disrepute”

            I am pretty sure this site is as low as it can go already.

        • Johnm 5.1.1.5

          Hi Jenny
          I think that really you fancy CV.He’s very intelligent! Ask him out on a date and you guys can discuss your apparent differences. :-))

    • Bill 5.2

      sheesh! – Wish journos would do a bit of journalism. That 14 billion figure is basically b/s. If you go to TAG’s website, it takes about 2 seconds to find that they reckon there is 1.74 billion barrels of undiscovered conventional oil and 12.65 billion barrels of undiscovered unconventional oil http://www.tagoil.com/reports.asp

    • Jim Nald 5.3

      14B? Not talking it up to attract the money and more support? What is the basis for that figure?

      Exploration consents had been granted months ago, bypassing the public and mayor. And going further back, a former Natz MP was paid by the oil company for consultancy work in the area before his parliamentary stint.

    • From what I wrote back in April from a post called “New Zealand’s Potential for Oil Independence in an Uncertain World”:

      “Elsewhere in New Zealand limited exploration has occurred in the East Coast Basin, Canterbury Basin and the Great South Basin. Currently the most promising area is the East Coast Basin.Two fields, one north of Gisborne and one between Napier and Danneverke are currently being explored. TAG Oil believes there is an undiscovered resource potential of 12.65 billion barrels of unconventional original oil in place (OOIP) and 1.74 billion barrels of conventional OOIP. The potential recovery rates of 12% are similar to that of the North Dakota Bakken deposit in the United States. This means roughly 1.52 billion barrels of unconventional oil and 182 million barrels of conventionaloil are thought to be recoverable from this area.

      Being generous and assuming TAG Oil’sestimates are correct there are currently 2.3 billion barrels of recoverable oil from both the Taranaki and East Coast Basin. This would give us another forty-two years before these fields ran dry at 2010 consumption. If we expect our economy to grow however we would assume that our oil consumption would grow each year and so it is likely we would require far more oil during this time period.”

      http://www.southernlimitsnz.com/2012/04/new-zealands-potential-for-oil.html

      • Colonial Viper 5.4.1

        Private oil company rights. So none of that oil can be directed to stay in NZ anyway. Unless the oil operations were nationalised.

  6. This National led Government reneges on its governance role and supports business and environmental anarchy: http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/national-government-supports-anarchy.html

  7. ropata 7

    It was a remarkable admission from Bill English last week: that no housing is being built for the lowest-income fourth of the population.

    “Like, none,” he said. “It’s unsustainable.”
    But what is the Government’s response?

    So far there is none, beyond some rather sinister observations about the mounting cost to the taxpayer of housing subsidies, chiefly the accommodation supplement, and how they can probably be “targeted better”.

    Investors have responded to signals from the tax system: the prospect of high leverage and untaxed income, in the form of capital gains, from rental properties compared with the disheartening front-loaded taxation of superannuation schemes.

    In addition there is a subsidy, in the form of the accommodation supplement, flowing from taxpayers to landlords. The Government and Labour are now questioning whether that represents value for money.

    Maybe we also need to acknowledge the possibility that our parents and grandparents were smarter than we are. They were not wedded to the idea, dominant since the mid-1980s, that whatever the problem, the solution is a market.

    Faced with an inadequate supply of decent housing, they built state houses – and would be astonished at the prices some of them now change hands for. And they made State Advances loans available, at concessionary interest rates, for first-home buyers who could only use them to buy new homes subject to size limits.

    That policy targeted what are again the missing lowest rungs of the housing ladder. Right now the Government can borrow 10-year money for 3.4 per cent. Housing Minister Phil Heatley, on TV3′s The Nation on Saturday, said the Government already had $15 billion invested in 70,000 state houses.

    “We’re in no position to build more and more state houses, you know, we’re just not in that position.”

    Well, why not? The need to rein in public debt? When it suits it, as with state asset sales, the Government likes to pretend there is only one side to its balance sheet, the debt side. But there is a world of difference between increasing public debt in order to fund an operating deficit, and increasing it to fund the acquisition of long-lived assets.

    • just saying 7.1

      Well said.

    • DH 7.2

      I don’t see this as just a National party problem. Labour are very quiet on this issue too.

      It is a ridiculous state of affairs. We keep giving more & more taxpayers money to people so they can afford to pay their rent or mortgage and that money keeps pushing up the rent & mortgage. We can never catch up.

      This country spent $22billion on social welfare last year ( including superannuation). At a rough guess I’d say about a quarter of that went to pay rents. $5billion a year of taxpayers money subsidising private landlords. The state could build 16,000 houses every year with that. It would take only what, 5-6years(?), to solve the housing problem and cut $5billion off the social welfare bill. What a crazy world this is.

      • Draco T Bastard 7.2.1

        +1

        and considering that the government doesn’t have to pay interest on money it prints it also doesn’t need a financial return from building those houses. The social return, less poverty and illness etc, would be enough.

      • bad12 7.2.2

        From the 1960′s onward the State has built less and less State Housing, engaged in various sell-offs to both tenants and where it got really ugly, to the private sector,

        we only need to look at the basic riffmatic to gain an insight into ‘the problem’ on a basic level and such a basic level of understanding does not include the huge rise in the proportion of the have-nots’ in our society brought about by Roger(spit)nomics and the later governments that adhere to such warped ‘thinking’,

        When we had a population of some 3 million souls we had as State Housing some 75,000 households, our economy had ‘employment’ for most of them,

        NOW, we have a population of 4 million+ and only 69,000 State Housing units, most of the tenants can find no employment in our economy and further to that the proportion of the have -nots in our society has risen at a far greater rate as would be expected within the 1 million growth of that population…

        • ropata 7.2.2.1

          Exactly. Train more people to build houses. Employ more people. House more people. Spend a little bit extra. What is the point of Government if not ensuring the wellbeing of people!?

          • bad12 7.2.2.1.1

            The problem with ‘the housing problem’ if you will excuse my lingo is that it is a problem on so many different levels of both society and economy that to address ‘it’ and propose solutions in just one comment is fraught to say the least,

            I believe that there is a study going on at the moment with input from major players at the sharp end of ‘homelessness’, like the Wellington City Mission,Salvation Army etc which is quantifying the actual state of ‘homelessness’ in all it’s stages, not only the obvious street presence of homeless people but attempting to put numbers on those who are forced to share accomodation,(over-crowding),and the transient homeless who have the family/social networks to be able to keep themselves off of the streets without having the benefit of an actual home,

            the proposal seems to include showing ‘the real cost’ of homelessness where in supposedly saving a dollar by ignoring the need for social housing Governments are actually being forced to spend more in the Health,Justice,and, Police budgets, something successive Governments seem more than happy to do,

            One study(sorry i didn’t save the link),of 1 homeless male in the US showed that He cost the State 1 million dollars over a 10 year period in various costs in the Health,police and justice budgets, the particular individual may well have been the worse case scenario that could be found but it highlights the shortsightedness of New Zealand Governments ignoring low cost social housing…

            • bad12 7.2.2.1.1.1

              PS, thanks for highlighting that article by the Herald’s Economics Editor, Brian Fallow, which i had missed, one of the more thoughtful pieces of journalism i have read from the august Herald…

            • bad12 7.2.2.1.1.2

              As another afterthought to what i have commented above, it does seem totally f**king perverse that those who are at the sharp end of providing relief to the homeless are those that reliant upon charity in most cases are left to fund the study into the cost of homelessness,

              Governments past and present with the 60 billion dollars a year gained from all of us via taxation should know the true cost to the economy that homelessness creates,

              It’s easy for Heatley and English to sob about the cost of housing people as ‘unaffordable’ when there is no definitive knowledge of the costs from the other side of the bean counting ledger when we don’t…

  8. Kotahi Tāne Huna 8

    Looks like the sky is going to fall on France’s head.

    • weka 8.1

      Anyone want to have a go at explaining, in lay terms, what is the perceived problem with a financial transaction tax?

      • Colonial Viper 8.1.1

        It would mildly limit the profits made by the massive financial speculation industry, particularly in their use of manipulative, automated high frequency trading strategies.

        • weka 8.1.1.1

          Yeah, but I’m assuming that’s not the rationale given in opposition to an FTT

          • Colonial Viper 8.1.1.1.1

            Perhaps, but its always useful to remember that’s where any objections are really coming from.

        • Jenny 8.1.1.2

          It would mildly limit the profits made by the massive financial speculation industry, particularly in their use of manipulative, automated high frequency trading strategies.

          Colonial Viper

          That is right CV, but a very “mild” restriction on the speculative Financial Transactions of the rich will reap huge rewards, returning $billions of dollars to the public purse. Enough money I have been informed that the amount of tax raised from a less than 1cent tax on every dollar on Financial Transactions would amount to the same amount of money presently made by regressive GST taxes on the poor.

          The percentage rates that are being talked about internationally for Financial Transaction Taxes are very small, ranging from 1% to as low as 0.05%.

          Tax Justice New Zealand The case for Financial Transaction Taxes in NZ: A Fact Sheet

          A 0.1% general FTT could raise over $NZ1.6 billion (0.88% of New Zealand’s GDP). Based on the revenue estimates compiled in an extensive 2008 research study by the Austrian Institute of Economic Research. Their statistical estimates factor in a reduction in trade volume resulting from the implementation of the tax, which would discourage speculation. (Source: A General Financial Transaction Tax, Stephen Schulmeister, Austrian Institute of Economic Research, 2008.)

          Tax Justice New Zealand The case for Financial Transaction Taxes in NZ: A Fact Sheet

      • muzza 8.1.2

        Not sure about perceived problem, but put it this way, there are hundreds of billions of dollars worth of financial transactions (bets) made on the $NZ alone each, year and most if not all are untaxed, so imagine what could be done with a 1% sales tax applied. Globally I believe it to be tens-hudreds of trillions each year in financial transactions, all with zero behind them, yet all with real negtive consequences for sovereign nations down to individuals. Most if not all of those transactions are untaxed!1

        The real issue is simply one of appetite, and powerful forces preventing such taxes on the financial industry coming to fruition. Finance controls all aspects of global goings on, from top down. People want to deny this, but the fact remains, the financial industry is all powerful, and controls those who would legislate such taxes.

        If there was a global will to do so, this would happen, along with some big players being prosecuted and locked awy for a long time. Its not happened, and I question if it ever will, so on that basis, no appetite to prosecute, means no appetite to reform/tax to the benefit of the rest of us!

        • weka 8.1.2.1

          Yes, I understand the value of a FTT. What I’m asking is what rationales get used for saying it’s a bad idea. eg the sky will fall in.

          • Colonial Viper 8.1.2.1.1

            Typical would be: too complex to implement, too costly to run, it would cause capital to flee, it would damage the financial services industry and hurt jobs in a valuable economic sector, financial business would go elsewhere, blah blah blah.

            • weka 8.1.2.1.1.1

              So nothing of substance then. Just rhetoric.

              • Colonial Viper

                Here’s the way I look at it: the finance sector imposes their own taxes on many of our daily transactions now. They call them “charges” and “fees”. Credit card companies are an example. You buy something from a shop with your visa card, the credit company clips 2% from that transaction, from the store owner. You pull money out of an other bank ATM, you get clipped 50c or $1.

                So, the thieving lying scumbags are absolutely fine with an FTT just as long as the proceeds are going to them.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  The biggest tax is the interest that private banks charge us accounting for somewhere near 50% of all prices.

                  So, the thieving lying scumbags are absolutely fine with an FTT just as long as the proceeds are going to them.

                  And that sums up the financial industry well. It’s nothing but a tax on everyone else and, due to the compounding nature of interest, that tax increases year by year until the financial industry pretty much owns everything.

          • muzza 8.1.2.1.2

            Weka, there is no rationale, its plain and simple fear mongering my those who control the financial industry.

            CV cites some excuses which are run out through the media, but the reality is simply that there is no appetite by TPTB/governments to go up against their pay masters.

            I think the past 4.5 years should illustrate pretty clearly who is pulling the strings, and the rationale, or lack of it you are seeking, can be found in the same place!

            • weka 8.1.2.1.2.1

              Hi muzza, I get the dynamics behind why it doesn’t happen. I was just curious how it got spun. I’m assuming politicians (and others) don’t just say, oh we don’t want to do that because the people really running the country/world wouldn’t like it ;-)

              • muzza

                Yeah I hear you there Weka, and actually its not a topic which gets alot of air time anyway such as it is. It did get some time for a short while, but has largly been “off the menu” for reasons we seen to agree on, mostly to do with power and influence, which pretty much would tell the story.

      • Kotahi Tāne Huna 8.1.3

        Good question Weka – the objections I’ve heard so far leave me strangely unmoved.

      • Jenny 8.1.4

        Here you go Weka

        For a very good introduction of what a Financial Transactions Tax is, you couldn’t go far past the Tax Justice New Zealand Fact Sheet.

        http://www.nogstonfood.org/2011/08/18/the-case-for-financial-transaction-taxes-in-new-zealand-a-fact-sheet/

        “The beauty of financial transaction taxes is that they can target the super-rich who aren’t paying enough tax; it’s almost impossible to avoid; and modern technology makes it a simple and low cost form of tax collection,”

        Vaughan GunsonTax Justice spokesperson

  9. RedBaron 9

    I had a quick look at the accommodation supplement and in Auckland it is a maximum of just over $200 per week. When doing the calculation the first $130 of rent is deducted and then 75% of the balance up to the cap can be claimed depending on income etc..

    So if a low earning family receives the $200 from the state and pay the $130 themselves plus 25% of the difference then the state funds $10400 per annum and the individual some $7000+ p.a.

    If the state borrows at 3.4% then it could fund a house worth some $300,000 and after paying interest instead of the supplement be cash square and have an asset. But the renter still pays some rent, say the $7000 which goes towards the maintenance and paying down the capital sum so over time the govt owns the house.

    It would vary from region to region but where there is an actual shortage of housing stock then this should work. If there are surplus houses in a region then the govt shouldn’t add to the housing stock.

    Can’t afford it, more likely “we can’t afford not to” and it would beat idiot roads hands down.

    • Dv 9.1

      Could the state build these houses at 300k.
      Interesting proposal.

      • bad12 9.1.1

        The State, based upon ‘economies of scale’ could build the needed social housing for far less than 300 thousand per housing unit,

        The fact is Money, or more to the point the expansion of the amount of money as wealth can be logically generated either by ‘borrowing’ to create increased production or ‘created’ to build an asset to the value of the money so created therefor justifying the ‘creation’ of that money,

        The State in response to the Christchurch earthquakes built and located in Christchurch’s Hagley park a number of housing units at a cost of 100 thousand dollars each, it is actually not the cost of such State House building that is the problem here in any way, it is the WILL of Government to actually do so…

      • gareth 9.1.2

        The only issued would be land…. If they made some available through law change then they could do it easily…..

        • bad12 9.1.2.1

          Aha, it is really only ‘the Will’ of Government that holds us back in the housing area, sheesh the Chinese can build whole cities for 250,000 people from scratch in 3 years, roads, shopping malls, schools, everything, they make what we accomplish look primitive…

    • DH 9.2

      “Can’t afford it, more likely “we can’t afford not to” and it would beat idiot roads hands down.”

      It ticks all the boxes doesn’t it? Whichever angle you look at it from it benefits the Crown accounts and provides both social & economic goods. More trade jobs, more disposable income for people on lower incomes, less Govt expenditure… pick a goal from the left side of the fence and the peg fits in the hole. And all Labour seem to want is a CGT that will push house prices & rents up further and cost the taxpayer even more in social welfare payments.

      • mike e 9.2.1

        If labour were smart they would put half the CGT tax gained into paying off debt and the other half in tax breaks for those on lower incomes who can’t avoid taxes like capital gaingters.

        • DH 9.2.1.1

          Can you not see how daft that is? CGT will push rents up, there’s no question of that. So Labour bring in a CGT and give a tax rebate to lower income earners. That tax rebate goes to pay most, but not all, of the higher rents which in turn pays the landlords CGT which gets given back in rebates to the low income earner… only the portion of the pie gets smaller for the low income earner each time & they end up paying more & more of their nett income in housing costs.

          Unless the housing problem is fixed first a CGT will be paid by the renters, not by the landlords. It will just make the poor even worse off.

          • Colonial Viper 9.2.1.1.1

            CGT will push rents up, there’s no question of that.

            Totally false. A CGT will suppress house price increases, making homes more affordable.

            I appreciate the fact that the govt must sort out the affordable housing supply side.

            • QoT 9.2.1.1.1.1

              Well, you do have to consider, CV, that even though logically there is no reason why a CGT would increase rents, plenty of greedy-bastard landlords will probably use it as an excuse to do so.

              • Colonial Viper

                And that’s on a generous day as greedy landlords don’t need any excuse at all.

              • DH

                “… even though logically there is no reason why a CGT would increase rents,”

                There is a cast-iron logical reason. Property investors are presently getting a return on their investment via a combination of rent and capital gain. If you cut back the capital gain through regulation the investor will claw back that loss in return through rents. Since every property investor will be affected the same it will result in all of them increasing rents over a period of time.

                The one thing you can’t do is force the return on an investment down through taxes, the % return always bounces back unless the risk profile changes.

                • Colonial Viper

                  The one thing you can’t do is force the return on an investment down through taxes

                  Of course you can, and it has been successfully done many times. Its called structuring the market to get the social and economic objectives you want for your country.

                  Property investors are presently getting a return on their investment via a combination of rent and capital gain.

                  So we get rid of property speculators, and help create a class of professional landlords who make an income from renting properties, not trading them at increasing prices and increasing mortgage debt.

            • DH 9.2.1.1.1.2

              I said rents there, not house prices. And there is absolutely no doubt that a CGT will push rents up. It has to.

              You must be joking if you think a CGT will make houses more affordable. Read the link higher up, they’re not even building ‘affordable’ housing.

              • Colonial Viper

                And there is absolutely no doubt that a CGT will push rents up. It has to.

                No it doesn’t. A CGT doesn’t increase any costs of house ownership. Landlords who make an income from renting houses will experience no change. Property speculators expecting untrammeled capital gains will not be happy of course.

                You must be joking if you think a CGT will make houses more affordable.

                Well its far too weak a step, but it will tend to divert capital away from the property market.

                • DH

                  “Landlords who make an income from renting houses will experience no change.”

                  Thanks but there’s no point in debating with you on this, you’re away with the fairies. Pretty much every property investor disagrees with you. It’s basic arithmetic fer crissake!

                  • Colonial Viper

                    The market doesn’t need property speculators. We need professional landlords.

                    Pretty much every property investor disagrees with you. It’s basic arithmetic fer crissake!

                    Not a surprise that property speculators would be annoyed at a CGT.

                    And your maths is wrong. CGT does not increase the costs of running a rental property. Professional landlords won’t be affected by it at all, but property flippers will be.

                    • DH

                      “And your maths is wrong. CGT does not increase the costs of running a rental property. Professional landlords won’t be affected by it at all, but property flippers will be.”

                      Don’t be ridiculous. Professional landlords count capital gain into the returns they get from their investment property. They can get 4.7% on term deposit right now, why would anyone invest in property that returns less than that from rents alone.

                      Rents decoupled from house prices years ago, if rents were to provide the sole return on rental properties now they’d have to go up a hell of a lot more.

                    • Not a surprise that property speculators would be annoyed at a CGT.

                      It shouldn’t annoy them, they are already subject to tax on capital gains.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      They can get 4.7% on term deposit right now, why would anyone invest in property that returns less than that from rents alone.

                      Push house prices back down and rental returns will go up enough to sustain a true professional landlord class.

                      One which makes a living from rental income. Not a class of pretend landlords who happen to rent out properties inbetween flipping them.

                      They can get 4.7% on term deposit right now, why would anyone invest in property that returns less than that from rents alone.

                      Well they can always exit the property speculation market and the state can take a bigger role in the providing affordable housing and rentals.

                    • DH

                      “Push house prices back down and rental returns will go up enough to sustain a true professional landlord class.”

                      What, and you think a CGT will achieve that? Bollocks it will. The minute returns from houses fall the number of new houses being built also falls. If the return isn’t enough people will invest elsewhere instead, ie term deposits.

                      That slowdown in new house building leads to higher rents through shortage of rentals. Those higher rents gradually lead to a better market return from property which attracts investors back in again. That increased demand from investors pushes house prices up again…. and the endless cycle continues. A CGT won’t change anything there.

                      Have you not been watching the housing market over the last five years? It’s been pretty damned obvious.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      You skipped the part where I said the state can play a much larger role in the housing market, exactly like it used to.

                      As English already said, the current market ignores affordable accomodation for the bottom quarter of the population.

                      That increased demand from investors pushes house prices up again….

                      Easily answered by limiting mortgage credit for the property market.

                    • bad12

                      On a bit of an unrelated topic, has someone been feeding the Minister of riffmatic and Bean Counting Bill English truth syrup or something???,

                      Last week it was English openly admitting that what the economy faces ie: recession/depression aint going away for the next ten at least, years that is,

                      Now He is putting His hand up to being part of Governments that have simply ignored the (known?) need to build housing for renting on the basis of income,

                      Admitting the facts is fine as far as i am concerned by the Minister, does He tho have a plan to fix what the known ailment is???….

                    • Colonial Viper

                      And don’t forget English’s comment last year that the way NZ used prisons “were a moral and financial failure”. Its spacey I know.

          • mike e 9.2.1.1.2

            Protecting those who don’t pay any tax doh.I hit homer
            any landlords would give up and flood more houses into the market bringing ownership back into the NZ psyche which helps stabilize families.

        • Draco T Bastard 9.2.1.2

          Actually, if the government built houses (high density, both row houses and high rise apartments) to meet demand and rented them out at 25% of income house prices and rents would fall making a CGT unneeded.

          Still, I’d say a Comprehensive Capital Tax as outlined in the Big Kahuna would be an excellent option to put in place.

          • the pink postman 9.2.1.2.1

            Remember the wonderfull State Loans Scheme .Plus State insurance?
            Which enabled working people to buy their own well built houses. Labour needs to revise such a scheme as soon as it returns to government.
            Most off the well built houses us older folk are still enjoying were state loaned houses. Why ever was it stopped? Because of the greedy slime bag Tories.

            • Draco T Bastard 9.2.1.2.1.1

              We won’t get that from Labour as they’re far too enamoured of the free-market BS and enriching banks.

          • bad12 9.2.1.2.2

            You are of course right, The provision of 20,000 State rental units in Auckland City would immediately kill off high demand for rentals in that city thus overcoming on the rental side of the property equation the supply/demand impetus in that market,

            My view is that the State should in fact become the majority landlord across the whole new Zealand rental market and when the building program has housed at 25% of income all those on low and fixed incomes tenancies should be made available to others on higher incomes at the same rental of 25% of income,

            The present National Government is talking from a position of trying to curtail the annual expense of the subsidy to HousingNZ of some 600 million dollars and the only means of addressing the direct subsidization of HousingNZ that does not further deflate the local New Zealand economy by further reducing the discretionary spending of the 69,000 HousingNZ households would be to dramatically increase the stock of HousingNZ homes to the point where Social Demand is zero and tenancies could be offered to tenants earning 1000 dollars a week at 25% of income thus adding an element of cross-subsidization to the HousingNZ books,

            Obviously for that to occur, Government would have to have been smart enough to have produced it’s own printed monies to enable such a building program and would also have to have been looking at the economics of it all through a smart lens other than what could enrich the core of its voting bloc,

            Alas, such is the nature of the chimps in the jungle mememe economics currently to the fore that i couldn’t begin to imagine such a society that would embrace such an elegant solution to matters of housing for at least 1000 years…

      • Colonial Viper 9.2.2

        And all Labour seem to want is a CGT that will push house prices & rents up further

        This is false. A CGT will suppress house price increases. Which is why you don’t like it, as a guess.

      • bad12 9.2.3

        Roads of No Significance are a case in point to what i commented on above, obviously a quantifiable value can be placed upon a road, ie: X road is worth a billion or whatever,

        In theory such a method of ‘counting our beans’ gives us an asset, but, it’s hardly an asset that can be ‘realized’,

        So,

        It is logical for a Government to simply create the amount of money needed to build X road as the creation of the road at X value as an asset justifies having expanded the money supply by the X of that roads value,

        It is the economics of the primitive chimpanzee to create a fiscal drag upon an economy by ‘borrowing’ to create the infrastructural assets of the State when that State is quite capable of creating the expansion of the money supply as the States asset values increase,

        My one codicil,(a small nod to the present economic paradigm), is that where we have an ‘inflation target’ such expansion of the money supply to build assets should,(must), be allowed so as to occur within such inflation targets…

        • Draco T Bastard 9.2.3.1

          That’s easy – just adjust taxes in line with the spending. The Comprehensive Capital Tax is also essential as it would tax the money sitting in bank accounts.

      • bad12 9.2.4

        The other positive is that for every Household that is created the level of economic activity in the wider economy is increased,

        IE: such households must have furnishing and these are constantly changed/upgraded on an ongoing basis, i call this the ‘broken dinner plate example’ where if you have 10,000 households X amount of dinner plates will be broken and need replacing in any given period, raise the number of households to 15,000 and the number of broken dinner plates becomes X+x…

    • Daveosaurus 10.1

      If Laws wants a referendum, he can get off his backside and organise a petition for one. Just like everyone else has to do.

      • QoT 10.1.1

        Exactly, Daveo. I love how Peters and Lhaws are both now acting like a referendum is the “sensible” thing to do, ignoring that (a) the government clearly has no appetite to order a binding one on this issue and (b) they themselves have no inclination at all to get it done themselves.

        Oh, and it costs money and stuff.

    • weka 10.2

      Nope, Laws and Peters are idiots. They might possibly be right that morality laws should be decided by the public, in which case people who object to gay marriage on the basis of morality should get a referendum petition organised.
       
      But the current proposed legislation isn’t a morality issue, it simply one of equality and human rights.

    • Draco T Bastard 10.3

      Amazingly enough, I’m going to have to agree with Lhaws on that as well. Of course, I think it should be true of all major policy. State asset sales should have gone to referendum – instead it got rushed through as fast as the government could push and the government ignored the will of the people while doing so and I don’t think we’ll be seeing Lhaws calling for that to be put to referendum.

      • weka 10.3.1

        Where’s the line that determines ‘major policy’?
         
        The issue of whether gay people have the same rights as everyone else was settled with the homosexual law reform bill. The current bill is merely an adjustment to bring marriage law into line with that. I don’t see why the validity of homosexuality should be put to the test of public opinion.

        Needless to day Laws isn’t arguing for referenda for major policy, just the ones he deems to be issues of morality.

        • Pete George 10.3.1.1

          Laws isn’t the only one that does that.

          I agree, this is a relatively minor sorting out and doesn’t warrant a referendum. But to a few people it’s a Very Big Deal.

        • Draco T Bastard 10.3.1.2

          Where’s the line that determines ‘major policy’?

          Where policy is actually changed rather than amended.

          I don’t see why the validity of homosexuality should be put to the test of public opinion.

          I don’t see why we’re being held back by a few people who happen to be our servants.

          I actually think that all fundamental rights need to be put to referendum and then made supreme law. For starters it tends to settle the basis for the laws that are passed and it also prevents the government from riding roughshod over those rights.

          Needless to day Laws isn’t arguing for referenda for major policy, just the ones he deems to be issues of morality.

          No he’s not, he’s asking for referendum on policies he doesn’t like and thinks the referendum will stop.

  10. Mark 11

    Surprise surprise, further tax facts confirmed.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/7416899/Figures-suggest-wealthy-carry-tax-burden

    Now for the headlines we will never see:

    “The left helps the poor help themselves”
    “Green Party cares about the environment”
    “$5 per day will give 3 kids breakfast and lunch”
    “Holiday highway will be used by all people”

    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      The bottom half of the population have no net assets and plenty of debt, and the top 5% of the population own most of the country’s wealth.

      SO OF COURSE the richest pay the most tax. They benefit from this inequitable capitalist system the most.

      After all, they can afford to without going hungry and without giving up their Mercedes.

    • bad12 11.2

      As a proportion of income the top 40% of New Zealand pays less tax than the ‘rest’ of us,(60%)…

      • Pete George 11.2.1

        Odd and very dubious claim. Citation?

        Many of ‘the rest of us’ have little or no income, and pay little or no tax nett of credits.

        • Colonial Viper 11.2.1.1

          I suspect bad12 is correct. When your $2M home sells for $3M, how much tax do you pay on that $1M of unearned income?

          That’s right, zero.

          and pay little or no tax nett of credits.

          The whole net tax argument the Right wing makes. If the bottom tier of society had a chance to accumulate some net assets and some decent income, perhaps they could become net tax payers too.

          • Pete George 11.2.1.1.1

            When your $2M home sells for $3M, how much tax do you pay on that $1M of unearned income?

            Incorrect. It’s not income, it’s capital gain.

            That’s right, zero.

            No, it depends. If you sell a house with the intention of making a capital gain then that gain is taxed.

            If you’re a speculator you buy a property always intending to sell it. The property is treated like “trading stock” and your profit or loss from selling the property is taxable. Speculating can be a one-off purchase and sale of a property.

            If you’re a dealer you are similar to a speculator buying properties for resale, but you have established a regular pattern of buying and selling. This includes rental properties.

            Dealers and speculators must pay income tax on any gain they make from reselling their property.

            - IRD

            Dealing and speculating has investigated more rigourously by IRD over recent years.

            • Colonial Viper 11.2.1.1.1.1

              Incorrect. It’s not income, it’s capital gain.

              You mean that extra million in my bank account is not really money at my disposal?

              • QoT

                Of course not, CV. “Income” is something common plebs have to work for. “Capital gain” is the reward rich people get for being so much cleverer than the rest of us.

              • It depends.

                IRD: “as a general rule, buying and selling a family/private home usually has no tax consequences. However, if a property is purchased with the intention of resale, or there is a regular pattern of buying and selling homes, then this may be considered property speculation or dealing for tax purposes.”

                If you buy a house for $2m with the intent of selling it for capital gain then that capital gain is taxable.

                An increase from $2m to $3m would indicate it was owned for a substaintial period of time or it was improved or speculated, the latter being more likely to be taxable gain.

            • Frank Macskasy 11.2.1.1.1.2

              Pete, from personal experience, I can tell you that your assertions are wholly incorrect.

              It has to be demonstrated that you are trading in property. If you buy a whole bunch of properties and then flog them off in such a way that you are not seen to be reliant on the proceeds, it is deemed a capital gain,

              “If you’re an investor you buy a property to use it to generate ongoing rental income and not with any firm intent of resale. The property is a capital asset and any later profit or loss from selling the property is capital and isn’t taxable (apart from clawing back any depreciation, which is now recoverable). ”

              Source: http://www.ird.govt.nz/property/property-common-mistakes/mistake-dealing-with-investment/#facts

              A builder, on the other hand, who makes his living building and selling and building and selling and building etc, is trading in property because that is his/her primary business.

              The irony of this shouldn’t be lost on anyone; I paid no tax on capital gains, yet built nothing.

              The builder who actually constructed the properties was taxed to the hilt.

              The problem here is not just the inequity of this current situation, but the fact that the law is so vague and we’re debating the interpretation of who is luiable or not liable to pay tax. Any law so open to subjective interpretation is not a particularly helpful law.

              Far easier and fairer if both dealers and rental investors paid the same amount. Then everyone is treated reasonably equally.

              Then we don’t arrive at silly propositions such as your artificial definitions, a-la “Incorrect. It’s not income, it’s capital gain.”

              • There are valid arguments about what capital gains should be taxed – to do that the difference between income and capital gain is important, and not an ‘artificial definition’.

                As is the definition of a family home. It would be easier and perhaps more fair for capital gain to be taxed on them as well. But there would be significant flow on consequences.

                And you are missing a basic difference, flicking on or sitting on.

                A builder (or a doer upper) can claim on any expenses but any capital gained is taxable. Houses in this category are usually turned over quickly.

                Most rental investors hold a property for quite a few years.They will usually gain capital but not always, and that will be offset by inflation and possibly by expenses. If a rental investor sells a house quickly they are more likely to lose on expenses and capital.

              • Draco T Bastard

                The problem here is not just the inequity of this current situation, but the fact that the law is so vague and we’re debating the interpretation of who is luiable or not liable to pay tax. Any law so open to subjective interpretation is not a particularly helpful law.

                QFT

                Our laws are a mess and I think a government should be looking at writing new law from the ground up and throwing the old laws and precedents out. The old laws and precedents really are just getting in the way of rationalising our laws.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Any law so open to subjective interpretation is not a particularly helpful law.

                  Well, its helpful to some parties including professional advisors with clients who have a lot of money on the line.

        • bad12 11.2.1.2

          * :roll: * bout the only citation you are getting from me…

  11. weka 12

    So, 20 out of 60 comments in this thread so far have the word ‘Jenny’ in them, and as far as I can tell they are all about Jenny’s thing about CV.
    33%, I think that beats Pete George by quite a way.
     

    • The difference between what Jenny is doing, and the general rough and tumble here, is that she is now stalking CV and being a tr*ll. It doesn’t particularly surprise me that you don’t get the difference, you always seem to not understand the culture of this place, or certain social norms here.

      And you don’t get the difference between Jenny ‘stalking’ CV and what you’re doing?

      You said ” I haven’t been reading hardly any of the comments on Syria, so I don’t know what Jenny is on about” but “tedious and interferes with the flow of conversation”. And then “I’m sick of it.”

      Are you trying to talk up a bitch to ban campaign against Jenny based on that?

      • chris73 12.1.1

        It almost sounds like Jenny got jilted by CV and is now wrecking her vengeance on the boards…

        (I’m not in any way suggesting they had a relationship but her posts read like something about a woman scorned :))

        • Vicky32 12.1.1.1

          I’m not in any way suggesting they had a relationship but her posts read like something about a woman scorned
           

          I had the same thought!

      • felix 12.1.2

        Pete, try reading your comments back to yourself out loud before you post them.

        I reckon you’ve dropped several IQ points this weekend and as you’ve so often demonstrated it’s not like you had an overabundance to work from.

    • bad12 12.2

      Yeah it’s a pity that both party’s cannot engage in the debate without it becoming personal, it makes the points both are trying to make a hard read,

      We all need remember here that we all, well maybe excluding :roll: ,are representative of the thoughts and ideals of the broad Left here and when we begin to address each others ideas on a personal basis the actual Facts become lost in the heat of personal vindication…

  12. Draco T Bastard 13

    Study proves that rich people are more likely to be complete arseholes.

    Rich people are more unethical and likely to cheat, break the law or plain behave badly towards other people, a new study has found.

    Rich people also shared “feelings of entitlement and inattention to the consequences of one’s actions on others” that may play into their moral decisions, study authors said.

    ABC quoted the authors as saying the differences in ethical behavior could be explained, at least in part, by the upper-class participants’ more favorable attitude toward greed.

    So, there we have it. Proof that the problems we face as a society (poverty, deprivation, inequality) stem almost wholly from the rich.

    • chris73 13.1

      Good thing that no left-wing politicians could be considered rich then eh

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 13.2

      Interesting stuff.

      In follow-up laboratory studies, upper-class individuals were more likely to exhibit unethical decision-making tendencies (study 3), take valued goods from others (study 4), lie in a negotiation (study 5), cheat to increase their chances of winning a prize (study 6), and endorse unethical behavior at work (study 7)

  13. Morrissey 14

    Paul Brennan breaks down reading news item about deaths of New Zealand soldiers
    National Radio, Sunday 5 August 2012

    Anybody else hear this? Reading the 3 p.m. news, about the two New Zealand soldiers killed in Afghanistan, Paul Brennan started to choke up with emotion. It soon became clear he could not continue, and a brief snatch of music was put on. He returned after five or so seconds and read out only two more items in a drastically reduced news broadcast.

    “Sorry about that,” he said. “I had a very big frog in my throat.”

    Then at 4 p.m., Brennan started reading the same news item, and choked up again.

    Clearly, it was not a frog in the throat.

  14. Anne 15

    Googled his bio… he’s an aviation enthusiast and has been on a number of overseas ‘adventures’. Perhaps he knows one of the soldiers killed.

    • Morrissey 15.1

      Perhaps he knows one of the soldiers killed.

      That’s exactly what I thought, Anne.

  15. Socialist Paddy 16

    Tvone and 3 are running polls tonight.

    Tvone has National up 1 at 48%, Labour at 32 and the Greens at 12%

    Tv3 has National at 50.6% , Labour at 30.8% and the Greens at 11.2%.

    Shearer is going backwards.

    I feel like I am in a time warp because the Government has been absolute shyte.

    Time for the opposition to think about what they are doing. 

    • Colonial Viper 16.1

      Anyone here still believe that National doesn’t have a credible shot at a third term?

    • gobsmacked 16.2

      Time for the opposition to think about what they are doing.

      Sadly, most of the Labour caucus are happy with what they’re doing. They keep failing, but they keep their jobs. It’s not like anything else matters to them.

      I’d like to publicly apologise for remaining loyal to Labour at the last election. It was a sympathy vote for Goff (who had done OK in the campaign) but I should have switched to the Greens.

      I seriously – stupidly – thought that after a defeat, Labour would change. I was wrong.

      The results are entirely predictable, and everyone knows it. Including the fucking Labour caucus. They just don’t care.

      • bad12 16.2.1

        Although i couldn’t bring myself to vote for Labour 2011 i too was impressed with the manner in which Goff campaigned, despite being maligned daily by the media He never at any point seemed to be deterred,

        My belief is that had Goff not gone into the election blindsiding the blue collar working class with the message that a vote for Labour was a vote to raise the pension age another 2 years the out-come of the 2011 election would have been far far closer,

        I am not saying that Labour would have won, but, on my reading the Maori Party would not at present be the Poodles of National had Goff not been handed such a poison chalice as an election policy,

        My present reading of the polls is that after months of vocal opposition to asset sales both Shearer and Norman gave all and sundry a kick in the nuts by both announcing pompously on the same day that neither Labour or the Greens would be taxing those who bought the assets until they bled so as to enable a Labour/Green Government to put the assets back in the ownership of all the people,

        Both Shearer and Norman need to harden the f**k up and decide exactly who they wish to represent in the electorate,it doesn’t take a mental giant to realize that the Slippery National Government has already BOUGHT the middle class by cleaning out the treasury and now with its intentions of selling off half the family silver via asset sales,

        If the pair of them can gain an education thus far it is only a simple step to understand that with the addition of NZFirst and The Conservatives the middle class vote in New Zeland is all tapped out so the f**king pair of them can stop stooping to sucking at the tit of who can play Mr Straight ”i aint scaring the horses” the best and start talking as if they have something to offer the REAL working class that both their Party’s would traditionally be thougt to have seen as their voter bases…

        • Colonial Viper 16.2.1.1

          My belief is that had Goff not gone into the election blindsiding the blue collar working class with the message that a vote for Labour was a vote to raise the pension age another 2 years the out-come of the 2011 election would have been far far closer,

          Agreed. That BS shift to the Right lost Labour core votes without winning over any centre or Right votes. I reckon Labour lost 2-3 MPs out of it.

          • mike e 16.2.1.1.1

            had the all blacks lost the right would have been savaged.

          • bad12 16.2.1.1.2

            Aha, that’s my reading of it as well, had such not occurred i beleive that we would still have a Slippery lead National Government, But, He would not have had the luxury of being able to pass ANYTHING through the Legislature without the support of His whole coalition…

          • Colonial Viper 16.2.1.1.3

            You can’t forget that Slippery is a gambler by trade and by training. A good one too, with good luck. He bet on an updraft from an AB win, amongst many other factors, and he got it. The tea tape scandal was a bit more of a firefight, but he played that one as well as he could, even after it started to go sideways.

    • I feel like I am in a time warp because the Government has been absolute shyte.

      Many people obviously don’t see it that way.

      Time for the opposition to think about what they are doing.

      Yes. They could trying to be more positive and show that they can do rather than trying to stop other people doing things, people tend to prefer that.

      • felix 16.3.1

        :roll: Everyone get behind the largest party and work against the interests and wishes of those who voted for you.

        • pukeko 16.3.1.1

          Ko rāua mārire hoki ngā tāngata pākiwaha i kōrero whakakake noa, rūpahu noa.

      • Pete 16.3.2

        I would think their successes in the members’ ballots (and yes, I tip my hat to Mr Dunne for his support) are positive initiatives, but we have a Westminster system consisting of a government and Her Majesty’s loyal opposition. They would be remiss in their constitutional duties if they failed to hold the government to account and force it to make its case for its policies.

        Secondly, remember that MMP was chosen – twice – because it slows down government. Consensus has to be built. We have no upper chamber, no head of state who can in practice veto legislation, no fundamental rights the courts can use to overturn outrageous legislation. The scrutiny offered in the House and in Select Committee is the only safeguard we have against the tyranny of the majority. And a weak safeguard at that, as we learned with CERA. Sure, if being nice is a tool in achieving that role of scrutiny, fine. But to make it easy on the government or let it do what it wants is a constitutional path to nowhere. And I would expect no different from the opposition when Labour next takes the treasury benches.

    • muzza 16.4

      Time for people to wake up and accept that that political system as we know it be is a bad joke, and not answering to this country an dhas not for some time…

      Until some of those who are “comfortable” and vain/conceited enough that they think the political system is currently working for them, get a bloody good wake up call, we are going to continue to be pumped hard.

      Wonder how many years until those “comfortable” people who may well have talked down at the “underclass”, find themselves facing becoming part of the “underclasss”

      The fact so many still seem oblivious to where this is all heading makes me shake my head!

      EDIT: No the Greens will not be the left for long, and those who vote for them, will be in for a very nasty shock in good time!

      • Draco T Bastard 16.4.1

        Wonder how many years until those “comfortable” people who may well have talked down at the “underclass”, find themselves facing becoming part of the “underclasss”

        They already are but they’re either a) not aware of that yet or b) in denial of it.

    • McFlock 16.5

      Well, it’s been a while since Labour went down to 32% in a CM poll (haven’t really looked at the 3news one). For much of the last year, 32% has been an object of anticipation. 
           
      It’s the trends that one should watch.
                 
       

      • muzza 16.5.1

        Hey Mcflock, speaking fo trends, do you reckon the Cantabs are going get left with a situation like Dunners, when they get their shiney new stadium?

        • McFlock 16.5.1.1

          Pretty much. They’ll have a shiny stadium and poverty as an excuse to cut social services and userpays water.

          • Colonial Viper 16.5.1.1.1

            plus sell off a few more public assets, with a few ‘public-private partnerships’ throw in for good measure.

            • McFlock 16.5.1.1.1.1

              yep – they flogged off the council owned bus company to the private sector for a couple of mil. Reckoned it solved conflict of interest issues so they could improve the bus services.
              Buses still shit, just more expensive. 

      • bad12 16.5.2

        Another ‘polling amusement’, who here really believes that NZFirst are polling under the 4% it did at the 2008 elections after months of attacks from both the press and opposition???,

        If you have to suspend your belief over any part of a poll, (based upon logic), then it makes the other parts of the poll just as suspect…

    • David H 16.6

      It makes you have to ask yet again, WHEN are they getting rid of this loser? He’s nothing but the BUTT of Shonkys jokes. He CANNOT string 2 words together without the stammering. He was put in AGAINST the wishes of the rank and file. He is USELESS! The sooner he goes and takes the rabble that call themselves Labour with him, them maybe Labour can do the serious rebuilding that it needs. At the moment 2014 National will win again, unless Shonky is caught with his hand in the cookie jar or committing murder.

  16. Anne 17

    Many people obviously don’t see it that way.

    Nah, because like you… they are shallow, mindless thick-heads. :roll:

  17. 4 August 2012

    “State housing is a function of central Government – it’s that simple’” says Tamaki Housing Group’s Sue Henry.

    PRESS RELEASE: Tamaki Housing Group: “National Government threatening to break their promise on market rents.”

    “It’s reprehensible for greedy self-interested church, iwi and charity groups to even contemplate stepping into this role.”

    “It’s ironical that only a week ago, Housing Minister Phil Heatley said on nationwide television that market rents would not be reintroduced for Housing NZ tenants.

    (The Nation TV3 http://www.landlords.co.nz/read-article.php?article_id=4406 )

    Today, he has done a complete about-face on this issue ( NZ Herald Saturday 4 August 2012)”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10824497

    “Why should Housing NZ tenants be forced through rent increases they can’t afford to subsidise multiple, parasitical groups in the private sector?”

    “Shame on Dianne Robertson CEO of Auckland City Mission, and Major Campbell Roberts, CEO of the Salvation Army, for helping to concoct this policy beside developers, international bankers and property consultants, to push for temporary tenancy agreements, higher rents and the privatisation of the State housing stock (through transferrals) and destabilisation of 70,000 vulnerable families across New Zealand.”

    (April 2010 Housing Shareholders Advisory Group Report
    http://www.dbh.govt.nz/UserFiles/File/Publications/Sector/pdf/vision-for-social-housing-nz.pdf )

    “It is a disgrace to discover that Dianne Robertson CEO of Auckland City Mission, and Major Campbell Roberts, CEO of the Salvation Army, are members of the ‘invitation only’ hugely powerful, private sector corporate lobby group – the Committee for Auckland,” concludes Ms Henry.

    http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/member-organisations

    Sue Henry

    Ph (09) 575 6344

    • bad12 18.1

      Ummm i am happy to attack National and it’s Housing Minister on matters of ‘fact’ and over the lowering of the level of the numbers overall of State Houses,

      But,

      I cannot see where the Herald article you have linked to shows Heatley threatening to bring back the ugly ‘market rent regime’ for State Houses,

      In the Herald article provided Heatley says when talking about what His CONsultants group will be looking at vis a vis State House rentals ”Nothing will be ruled out EXCEPT market rents”…

  18. Vicky32 19

    LOL. So says the man who has been banned multiple times for behaviour that pisses off lots of people and disrupts the site.

    By and large, I do  not support anything PG says, but I do think that he has never deserved to be banned even for 5 minutes. You can simply ignore what he says if you don’t like it! (As I ignore idiots such as QoT and TR Putz..)
    The rolleyes smiley campaign against him is incredibly juvenile.
     

    • Te Reo Putake 19.1

      That’s some top quality ignoring, Vic :roll:

      • QoT 19.1.1

        It’d be a lot more convincing if she’d stop consistently mentioning me … and then engaging with me when I point this out … and then throwing around truly hilarious accusations about my gender, location, and hair colour.

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    So, further to the Cameron Slater email that felled Judith Collins, there’s a particular line in the email that’s rather troubling: I am maintaining daily communications with Jared Savage at the Herald and he is passing information directly to me that...
    Occasionally erudite | 30-08
  • Photo of the day: Urban Charity
    Yesterday was Daffodil Day and in two different locations people put a lot of effort into creating neat displays that enhanced the urban environment and made people stop and look. The first one I saw was on Durham Lane where Daffodils...
    Transport Blog | 30-08
  • Collins’ resignation
    I've just been watching the Prime Minister announcing the resignation of Judith Collins. I'm glad to see her go. A Minister using a sewer-blogger to undermine their own chief executive is absolutely toxic. But rather than resigning, she should have...
    No Right Turn | 30-08
  • Judith Collins resigns
    Oravida and the mysterious Chinese border control official, the Simon Pleasants leak, Bronwyn Pullar’s Privacy Commission complaint, plotting to roll John Key after the election – the allegations just kept coming. Now there’s the allegation that she conspired with Cameron Slater and...
    Occasionally erudite | 30-08
  • Andrew Williams lawyers up
    Andrew Williams is somewhat annoyed about being dumped completely from the NZ First party list. As such, he’s following in his leader’s footsteps and is lawyering up, seeking a judicial review of the party’s decision. My immediate response, on hearing...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-08
  • DIRT ALERT! – Are The Greens And Labour About To Become The Targets O...
    Deja Vu All Over Again? Are we about to see a repeat of the 2005 negative advertising campaign  launched in secret against the Greens and Labour? WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour...
    Bowalley Road | 29-08
  • Call for Aaron Bhatnagar’s resignation from govt body
    .   . One of the many sordid “bit”-players in Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“, and one of Cameron Slater’s inner-cabal, is businessman, National Party card-carrying cadre,  and former city councillor, Aaron Bhatnagar; . . In 2008, Bhatnagar was caught...
    Frankly Speaking | 29-08
  • Call for Aaron Bhatnagar’s resignation from govt body
    .   . One of the many sordid “bit”-players in Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“, and one of Cameron Slater’s inner-cabal, is businessman, National Party card-carrying cadre,  and former city councillor, Aaron Bhatnagar; . . In 2008, Bhatnagar was caught...
    Frankly Speaking | 29-08
  • Wynyard Cycling Complaints
    The new Waterfront Promenade linking the Harbour Bridge to Wynyard Quarter will be fantastic when finished later this year however its completion will leave a gap in the network through Wynyard Quarter itself. Auckland Transport and Waterfront Auckland are going to be...
    Transport Blog | 29-08
  • Something to do today
    From the FaceBook page: NATIONAL: NOT OUR FUTUREMARCHES ACROSS NEW ZEALANDAUCKLAND RALLY SATURDAY 30th AUGUST. AOTEA SQUARE, 1PMThree weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction....
    The Jackal | 29-08
  • Slater packs a sad
    H/T Porcupine FarmWe all know that Cameron Slater AKA Whale Oil is a bit of a dick at the best of times. His stupidity and vindictive nature is clearly evident throughout the book Dirty Politics and on his discredited blog...
    The Jackal | 29-08
  • Key weak on Collins coup attempt
    Politics is a strange old chestnut with the motivations of those playing the game not always apparent to the rest of us. However, more often than not the politicians invariably only have their own vested interests at heart with little...
    The Jackal | 29-08
  • Koretake II
    The Crown is to appeal against the son of Kingi Tuheitia not being convicted - in a case where the other offenders were all let off without convictions without any name suppression - and the Crown is not to appeal...
    Tumeke | 29-08
  • Another meteorite
    In 2003, the Court of Appeal delivered a bombshell ruling in Ngati Apa v Attorney-General: the crown had not generally extinguished Maori customary rights over the foreshore and seabed, and ownership of particular areas of the foreshore and seabed was...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Who says organisation, says oligarchy
    So Andrew Williams has decided to do a Winston Peters and go off to Court to try and stop "his" party from excluding him as a candidate....
    Pundit | 29-08
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies: Today no. 22 -What Cunliffe said about Lochin...
     Key says Cunliffe's Lochinver sale stance weakening Prime Minister John Key said "A couple of weeks ago (David Cunliffe) was screaming at New Zealanders that he would stop the sale (of Lochinver station); last night he was essentially saying, 'I'm going...
    Arch Rival | 29-08
  • Oxfam: saving the tava’e (and the world)
    This guest post is by Oxfam NZ‘s (relatively) new director, Rachael Le Mesurier. She’s off to the UN conference on Small Island Developing States in Apia next week, and here provides an interesting overview of the climate, sea level and...
    Hot Topic | 29-08
  • Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids
    MEDIA RELEASE: 28th AUGUST 2014 “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids” It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too. It’s time to talk about Capital Gains Tax,...
    Closing the Gap | 29-08
  • Government to save $400 million by doing ice bucket challenge on behalf of ...
    Turkmenistan’s challenge to New Zealand comes just one week after Pope Francis apparently died attempting to avoid his own $100 donation. The National Government this afternoon announced plans to save New Zealand in excess of $400 million by performing an...
    The Civilian | 29-08
  • Green Election Policy Highly Sophisticated.
    As each new election policy is released by the Greens I am impressed by the depth of thinking, costing and multiple benefits that come with them. We have made a convincing impression this election that we are ready to govern...
    Local Bodies | 29-08
  • Stuart’s 100 #17: A Greater Auckland?
    17: A Greater Auckland? What if we felt like we lived in an Auckland that was greater than the sum of its parts? This is perhaps one of the reoccurring themes in my 100 days project. It reflects the public...
    Transport Blog | 29-08
  • Green Party companion leaders’ debate
    The Greens take an inclusive approach to being excluded. So when we were shut out of the TVNZ leaders’ debate (despite being New Zealand’s third largest party, and despite the two-handed Key-Cunliffe format feeling more like a throwback to First...
    frogblog | 29-08
  • Shouldn’t this farmer be prosecuted for bribery?
    The Waikato Regional Council, in reporting on the fine handed down to a polluting farmer, also has some disturbing news:During the course of the Waikato Regional Council inspections that led to the prosecution, Bilkar Singh, a director of B &...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Whatever happened to liberty?
    Yesterday, the Independent Police Conduct Authority released a report finding that police routinely exceeded their powers in shutting down "out of control" parties, invading people's homes, assaulting people, using excessive force (in some cases causing significant injury), and shutting down...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Viewers judge TV3 to be winner in TV One leaders’ debate
    Key says the poll shows that Labour is 4% worse than gouging your eyes out, while National is only 2% worse. A snap political poll taken after last night’s leader’s debate on TV One has revealed that most New Zealanders...
    The Civilian | 29-08
  • Kiwis care about inequality
    Inequality has emerged as the key issue in the election campaign:The gap between rich and poor is by far the biggest issue facing New Zealand three weeks before election day, a new poll has found. The Roy Morgan Research poll...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Something to do on Saturday
    There will be a series of anti-government marches in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin on Saturday:The Auckland rally starts at Aotea Square, Wellington at Te Papa marching to Parliament, Dunedin held at the Octagon and the Christchurch rally at Haley...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Speaker: Rocking in the Public Good: Hager and Shihad
    Seldom has New Zealand seen such super-harmonies in the traditionally separate spheres of music  and investigative journalism. The release of New Zealand prog-rocker Nicky Hager’s latest album Dirty Politics coincided with the well known citizen journalist group Shihad’s book FVEY,...
    Public Address | 29-08
  • The cost of irrigation
    At the moment, the government is pushing irrigation and water storage as a way of increasing milk production and boosting the economy. Critics have argued that the result will be dirty, polluted rivers unfit for recreational use. And we've just...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • An empty void at the heart of the election
    Its election time. The blog should be humming. Its not. Why? Because there's not enough policy to comment on. Note that this is not a complaint about Dirty Politics. How power is exercised and the ethics displayed in doing so...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Making money out of fanatics
    Click on image to enlarge This looks like a Xcd cartoon. I picked it up from a new Facebook page The Girl Against Fluoride Lies. Good to see more and more Facebook pages like this. Speaking of fluoride – the cartoon sort...
    Open Parachute | 29-08
  • Debate 1
    As you know, there was a debate last night, and the consensus appears to be that David Cunliffe won. (The strongest clue that National also thinks Cunliffe won is that Kiwiblog has seven posts up this morning to change the...
    Polity | 29-08
  • Britomart precinct quick wins
    It has now been three months since Janette Sadik-Khan visited Auckland and showed us how easy it was to create a more liveable city by making things better for people to walk and cycle around, and best of all we...
    Transport Blog | 29-08
  • Poll of Polls update – 29 August 2014
    The polls are coming thick and fast. There must be an election on… Yesterday, we had the release of the latest Herald Digipoll, while this morning it’s the Fairfax Ipsos poll. In the Digipoll, National are up 0.7% to 50.7%,...
    Occasionally erudite | 28-08
  • World News Brief, Friday August 29
    Top of the AgendaUkraine Accuses Russia of Invasion...
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Hard News: Friday Music: Tramadol Rock
    I saw Samuel Flynn Scott a couple of times last year at the time he was suffering through a back injury in a haze of painkillers. It made for a fairly spaced out Phoenix Foundation show at the Powerstation --...
    Public Address | 28-08
  • Vale Brad Fletcher, MUNZ Lyttelton Branch President
    The Maritime Union is greatly saddened by the death of Maritime Union Lyttelton Branch President Brad Fletcher in a workplace accident on Thursday 28 August 2014. Maritime Union National Secretary Joe Fleetwood says the death of Brad Fletcher, a full-time...
    MUNZ | 28-08
  • Matthew Hooton (Fanatical National Supporter) Says Key is “Dishonest”
    This morning on Radio Live, Matthew Hooton has said what John Key is saying about about not being told of the SIS Official Information Request release to Scumbag Adulterous Blogger Cameron Slater, is “unbelievable”....
    An average kiwi | 28-08
  • How most people get hacked
    Chris Trotter writes about hackers:  LISBETH SALANDER is the archetypal hacker: a damaged outsider; phenomenally clever; contemptuous of society’s rules; but possessed of an unflinching, if somewhat quirky, sense of right and wrong. Without Lisbeth, the journalist hero of Stieg Larsen’sThe...
    DimPost | 28-08
  • Rift in National Party – MPs Want Key Gone
    Rumours are rife that some National MPS are planning to oust John Key as leader after the election, while others say Key almost without a doubt will be resigning not long after the election. Key is apparently ‘fed up’ with...
    An average kiwi | 28-08
  • Quick post debate comment
    The general consensus seems to be that Cunliffe ‘won’ the debate although not overwhelmingly. Various pundits have wondered what happened to Key. Why wasn’t he funnier? Didn’t he prepare enough?  I think Key’s problem last night went a bit deeper...
    DimPost | 28-08
  • National Housing propaganda – McGehan Close Revisited
    .   . Housing has become a major, defining issue in New Zealand. We have critical shortages and escalating prices in  in the main centres and falling house values in the regions. The National government has addressed the supply &...
    Frankly Speaking | 28-08
  • Labour’s plan to end homelessness
    Labour has a comprehensive approach to end homelessness starting with the provision of emergency housing for 1000 people each year and putting an end to slum conditions in boarding houses, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes that homelessness is not...
    Labour | 30-08
  • Labour: A smarter approach to justice
    A Labour Government will improve the justice system to ensure it achieves real public safety, provides equal access to justice and protects human rights, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Andrew Little says. “Our approach is about tackling the root causes of crime, recognising...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • BREAKING: UPDATE on DIRT ALERT!
    Thanks to the information passed to Chris Trotter by “Idiot/Savant” from No Right Turn it is now possible to identify at least some of the persons involved in this latest example of attack politics. What follows is Chris’s response to Idiot/Savant’s timely assistance: Well done...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Comparing burning puppets, hip hop lyrics and drunk student chants to black...
    Watching the mainstream media try and obscure Cunliffe’s surprise win in the leaders debate  is a reminder the Press Gallery is in depressed shock. The current spin line from the Wellington bubble media in the wake of Dirty Politics is that...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Why has it all gone quiet on Charter Schools?
    They’re one of ACT’s flagship policies and the National Party have been gung ho in supporting them. So how come we’re not hearing Hekia Parata, Jamie Whyte, Catherine Isaac, et al singing from the rafters about what a resounding success charter...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall
    Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • What The Hell Was That! Reflections on the media’s coverage of the Intern...
    WHAT, EXACTLY, DO WE KNOW about the confrontation outside Internet-Mana’s campaign launch? Well, we know the news media was there in force. We also know Internet-Mana’s media person, Pam Corkery, blew her stack. We know that Corkery’s outburst led the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • New Zealand Shoppers- Demand Blue Tick Accredited Products
    Following ongoing concerns surrounding the issue of animal welfare in farming, particularly in the layer and broiler chicken sectors, the RNZSPCA is now asking consumers to purchase only eggs, pork, turkey and chicken that have been Accredited by the Blue...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Environment Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Environment Policy which recognises that New Zealand cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Candidate calls for an end to institutional racism
    29 AUGUST 2014 Tāmaki Makaurau candidate, Rangi McLean has spoken up in support of Irie Te Wehi-Takerei who was wrongfully accused of shoplifting at a Warehouse store in Manukau. "Over the last month, two different supermarkets have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Making tertiary education more accessible to Māori
    29 August 2014 The Māori Party launched its tertiary education policy today at Te Huinga Tauira o Te Mana Ākonga, the national hui for the Māori Teritary Students Association in Palmerston North. Te Tai Hauāuru candidate Chris McKenzie says the...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ Sign Language programmes receives $11 million boost
    Deaf Aotearoa are thrilled with Education minister Hekia Parata’s announcement this week that $11 million in funding will go towards a range of New Zealand Sign Language initiatives, including First Signs – a programme that involves sign language...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Abortion violates the Human Rights of Fathers
    Fathers1Right to Life is concerned at the glaring imbalance that exists in law, in regard to the rights of men to defend the lives of the children they have fathered. Fatherhood commences at conception. Children in the womb, just like...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Hundreds to join march against male violence in Auckland CBD
    Hundreds of supporters are expected to join the 'Take Back the Night' march through central Auckland streets tomorrow night in solidarity with making the streets safe for women and the rainbow community to walk without fear of male violence....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Classic example of need for Conservative policy
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar believes the sentencing of killer Aaron McDonald is a classic example of why an overhaul of the parole and sentencing system is required.”...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Greens & Labour Politicising Bullying in Schools
    Family First NZ says that both the Greens and Labour are wanting to politicise and sexualise school children under the guise of bullying programmes rather than deal with the school bullying issue as it should be dealt with....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington, marchers will assemble at Te Papa...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EPA grants marine consent for OMV exploration well
    The Environmental Protection Authority has granted a marine consent to OMV New Zealand Ltd for its Whio-1 exploration well in the Taranaki Basin....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • First anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria
    Members of the Syrian Community and friends are commemorating the first anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria, in Aotea Square on Saturday 30 August 2014, between 11-3 pm. The Assad regimes chemical attacks on al Ghouta were responsible...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Anniversary of the NZ Occupation of German Samoa
    Today, 29th August 2014, marks the 100 years centenary of the occupation of Samoa by New Zealand forces at the request of the British empire, ending the German rule of Samoa. It is also the starting point for the special...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Submissions sought on mosquito repellent
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a portable mosquito repellent for use outdoors. The repellent consists of a strip impregnated with metofluthrin, a substance from the pyrethroid family....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
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