The fact that the poll has National on nearly 55% support should be all the warning you need regarding this poll. That result is 10% more than the latest two polls for the same period and means that the results are outside the confidence interval for being able to cross-over.
There should be so many warning bells about the issues with polling from that one poll and all the inconsistencies in the percentages.
Greens under 14%? Highly unlikely. They’ve been solid on that level of support for a while.
NZF under 5%? Puh-lease. In all honesty, the only question with NZF is if they get 6% or 8%.
Include in this the fact that the Stuff/Ipsos poll does only land lines and you have a recipe for majorly overestimating the support for National.
That result is 10% more than the latest two polls for the same period and means that the results are outside the confidence interval for being able to cross-over.
Yep, that’s a rogue and needs to be discarded. The polling company should have picked that up.
What I can’t help but notice is how strategically handy these newspaper polls are to National – to the degree that it is impossible to have any confidence in them. From the “last chance to get rid of Cunliffe” poll to today’s polls which dovetail so neatly with Slater’s attempt to legally close down rawshark, the coincidences beggar belief.
The election is the only poll that matters, and we must go on working to get our vote out.
What I’m waiting for now is the cartoonish caricatures of Kiwi blokes to be rolled out. As if uncaring misogynist bluster and bullshit is what New Zealand men really want from the Labour Party.
Key laughs at his own stuff all the time. The trouble is, he’s naturally unfunny. The man’s like a fount of negative humour. Every one-liner, every joke assails the senses, raises a groan and makes one that little bit less likely to laugh.
It is a true shame that Labour does not appeal to such a large sector of society..
maybe if they and their supporters stopped apologising for being a man…. stopped pointing fingers at old white men so much …. stopped painting them as bad people ….
Boo to you vto. The answer for Labour out of this slump is to delve deeper and more explicitly into gender politics and policies. What are you afraid of you chauvinist dino? Sticking to your principles is a damn sight more important than anything else, right.
It would appear from VTO’s comment, that Labour have failed to address male identity, yet in response you appear to be being sarky about such an approach?
Or am I misunderstanding your comment?
What do you think Labour needs to do with regard to the loss of male support?
If men supported Labour at the same rate as women, Labour would be sitting 7% higher in the polls.
The problem is dire.
What do you think Labour needs to do with regard to the loss of male support?
I’ve already outlined my position very extensively on previous comment threads. The feedback I remember receiving is that I should stop talking about Labour and “identity politics” versus “economic justice” because no real problem.
I was asking you today, not really so keen to go back searching for previous conversations on the matter.
I am not so very focussed on ‘identity’ politics, myself (as I have noted previously), however I do see that jumping up and down against ‘identity’ as you have done, sort of focusses on the most negative factor of the issue and therefore tend to agree with that advice you say you were given.
The media also do this, focus on the male vs female, they make it an either/or issue. And raise this narrative anytime Labour make any moves to balance up imbalances. Of course the propagandists would do this – the propagandists know this is the best way to put people off.
Another example of this is done against people attempting to address issues for Maori, the narrative suddenly becomes about ‘ohh privileges for Maori, whities are losing out’ and this is simply not accurate at all when a political approach is trying to address disadvantages built into the system against Maori.
I read an interesting article recently and this section made me recall that whole furore about ‘identity’:
Conscious
Marxists gave us the concept of “class consciousness” and it has been incorporated by other left-wing movements. In basic terms it is a recognition of a societal structure of inequality and injustice.
In individual cases it has become problematic, and there may be a need to redefine classes with some of the middle classes having become, essentially, privileged proletarians while many lesser capitalists are subject to the expropriation of their own labour value which actually goes to bigger oligopolistic or monopolistic interests. At the same time an executive class robs capital from investors. Nevertheless, there is a role for class consciousness if it is not dogmatic.
At the same time, the left-wing has also discovered numerous other “consciousnesses” which point to the structural elements of an unjust society. Thus the left-wing is: class, race, gender and environmentally conscious. “Race” can be taken to include ethnicity, “gender” to include sexuality. Thus post-structuralism, which asserts that all of this “identity” politics is irrelevant in today’s pluralist world (after all, there’s a black man in the Whitehouse) is actually a right-wing stance.
[I broke it up into paragraphs, so hopefully it is easier to read]
I do accept that ‘apologising for being a man’, and especially the spin placed around it, put off some people (have detailed that elsewhere on this thread), however the drop in male support occurred earlier in the year and I suggest perhaps what needs to happen is for a more assertive and focussed strategy to counter the propaganda techniques that are rife – rather than buying into the propaganda and being appeasing and accommodating toward it.
If there are groups who are disadvantaged in the country – how does one address the imbalance without singling them out somewhat? That is how the propaganda works – it turns a redressing imbalance into an ‘us vs them’ scene.
and I suggest perhaps what needs to happen is for a more assertive and focussed strategy to counter the propaganda techniques that are rife – rather than buying into the propaganda and being appeasing and accommodating toward it.
So we’re going with the idea that it must be Labour’s weak messaging and counterspin which has resulted in 60% more women supporting Labour then men? I think its perhaps just one factor amongst many substantial ones.
The retirement policy is a big ingredient in the bad/weak political economic stuff, yes.
Remember guys die years earlier than women. Maori guys have it worst of all. These are traditional Labour voters who get smashed worst by Labour’s policy.
@ colonial viper
Why are men walking from Labour particularly do you think ? Do Labour seem weak on getting business going, enterprise, the economy? Is the perception that it seems only interested in charitable works, helping out the suffering, sort of like a non-religious not-for-profit that hasn’t got any mojo for leading the country into the
smart, hard working, profitable business-oriented style that men are hankering after.
In brief and IMO, Kiwi guys want a Labour Party which is hands on, practical, unapologetically red, straight up, staunch and steely eyed, focussed on economic justice and rebuilding our depleted society. A seriously gutsy Labour Party willing to implement serious change not just manage details. A Labour Party which was each of those things would also have huge headroom to push for socially liberal change on issues some might consider “identity politics.”
This is consistent with what I’ve argued for at length, previously.
@ colonial viper
Interesting. David Cunliffe gave men the opportunity to make those points to him with his invitation to email him earlier on. I wonder what sort of responses he got? Perhaps women were foremost there as being mor articulate with a willingness to communicate. Perhaps the strong opinions of men would have to be dragged out of them over a beer?
Perhaps the men have absorbed the rugged individualistic approach from Roger’s union-dodgers. Now if a man can’t front up and take whatever, without a union to nurse him along, then he isn’t a real man? The farmers tend to not want to accept social welfare when everything turns to mud for them. Because they are too proud and bigotedand have bad-mouthed beneficiaries so don’t want to accept help from others when difficulties mount up.
Perhaps this shooting-oneself-in-the-foot attitude that promotes stubborn pride in suffering alone and finding one’s own salvation is at the root now of men falling away from Labour. After all it was Labour who led them to believe that they shouldn’t protest about the introduction of Rogernomics. This was a letdown from those supposed to have an intelligent overview of the situation and supposed to be supporting ordinary working men Now possibly they have built a picture of Labour as having had its day as a viable group working for the benefit of ordinary men. It’s now interested in providing a pillow for the dying working man and woman, and those in politics more for their own advancement as a career.
Interesting. David Cunliffe gave men the opportunity to make those points to him with his invitation to email him earlier on. I wonder what sort of responses he got?
Assuming the poll is representative, very few of the 150,000 or so men who have moved on from Labour over the last year are going to have engaged with Cunliffe through a mechanism like that.
And what exactly can Cunliffe can change about Labour Party culture and socialisation, he’s just one man.
@ Colonial viper
Do you think that men don’t connect Labour with solid business friendly policies, but just ameliorating the lives of losers. To put it short and sour!
You didn’t say anything about the latter part of my comment.
And I agree that Cunliffe is doing his best. I just wondered if any useful view of what’s in men’s minds showed up in his emails.
And why wouldn’t men be susceptible to image. The one that men receive and the one that women receive will depend on which view of the man from mirror city they are looking at. But his clever advisors will choose a look that suits the sensitivities of the viewers. And we all are sensitive to propaganda, that is known.
But his clever advisors will choose a look that suits the sensitivities of the viewers. And we all are sensitive to propaganda, that is known.
Yes. And it’s working much better for the sensitivities of women voters than male voters.
Do you think that men don’t connect Labour with solid business friendly policies, but just ameliorating the lives of losers. To put it short and sour!
You didn’t say anything about the latter part of my comment.
I think that I answered this above and its nothing to do with beneficiaries or losers, or being “business” friendly or not.
It’s to do with being gutsy, staunch and standing by the principles you espouse – whatever they are. As I said above:
A seriously gutsy Labour Party willing to implement serious change not just manage details.
A theory I’m kicking around is that prior to 1987 most of the tradies in this country were employed by the Ministry of Works, Ministry of Energy, NZ Post Office, the power boards, NZ Forest Service etc, all vertically integrated outifits that were heavily unionised.
When the above organisations were “restructured” (that is why I chose 1987) a lot of those tradies were laid off and used the generous redundancies they got paid to start their own businesses and contract back to the new corporate entities that grew in their place.
Almost overnight, they moved from being working class tradespeople to being middle class business owners and employers (and as a concequence, National voters).
I’ve been wondering about this too Millsy. Self-employed contractors have a legal business entity, use accountants and lawyers and negotiate contracts and may have quite different perceptions on ‘economy’ and expectations of employment and social equity when compared with the old version of tradies.
Traditional Labour concerns that split the ‘workers’ from the ‘bosses’ can be destructive when these contractors are themselves tradies but also often take on the financial risks of employing apprentices and other low-skilled/low paid workers.
Changing business practices like contracting mean that Labour is talking to a smaller group of traditional supporters.
It would appear that votes are being lost to National.
If this is so, it kinda doesn’t make sense that what you say is what these guys are looking for if they are prepared to vote National over Labour.
National are far further removed from the picture you paint than Labour are. (And why don’t they move to Mana??)
Perhaps these shifting voters are more susceptible to voting for image (‘someone they could have a beer with’) or ‘for The Winner’ [the one who has been framed as being the winning team forever by the media], than you are caring to accept?
How is this not just more blaming the victim talk? Men are more susceptible to voting for image and superficiality than women are etc. Seriously? When National support amongst women is still 3:2 to Labour’s?
With a response like that, it doesn’t sound like you are interested in actually delving into the matter.
Hopefully someone else will have some suggestions as to what could gain Labour or the left more support and stop people lurching over to the corrupt, bunch of spinners.
Don’t tell me what I’m interested in or not please.
My view is that I’ve already “delved into the matter” in great depth. I’m the one who signalled months ago that Labour was in deep shit with its chosen balance between, and approach to, identity politics vs political economics. Mostly, I wasn’t listened to, and in general, I was discredited for speaking up.
The only thing which has changed is we have new data. The crushing that Labour is getting in the polls has been quantified in terms of a rapidly worsening gender balance in its support base.
TL:DR – NZ males don’t feel included, listened to or represented by Labour and are fucking off in droves.
And some feminists will have no real issue with that as it proves once and for all that these men have a real attitude problem.
You right wingers shouldn’t feel so cocky. Even Steven Joyce on RNZ this a.m is saying they know it will be extremely close. As for Our Ginny, I feel it in my waters that she will win by a whisker, and boo hoo, no more Dunne to cosy up with National.
You are correct Adrian, there are some people who used to vote National. But there is a truck load more people who used to vote Labour. Anyone with even remotely open vision can see that.
First thing to consider: Labour is neither Left, Senior Left, or the saviour of the Left. If Greens and Mana etc can’t get their message out to the public, that’s their problem, not Labour’s. Their policies are strong enough without Labour watering them down as entry fee into Coalition.
Second thing to consider is that the misperception that Labour is the Left and the Left is Labour has been propagated very effectively. That being the case, anything that rides the border of “…the Left does it too!” as per National’s claims, isn’t helping Labour or the Left.
Third thing, and it really amazes me, is that somehow in NZ people have decided that they have no mind of their own. If their friends or family say to go right, then they go right. So the people as groups are the problem, if people can be a problem to themselves. Because that would suggest that “Don’t vote don’t complain” actually means “Vote against your conscience and then complain”.
Apologies if someone has already provided a link to this Selwyn Manning article, but IMHO it is a MUST READ in terms of an insight into what is going on within the National Party vis a vis the Dirty Politics saga – and all is not well.
A good reminder for me – if the latest poll news has got you down read or reread this piece.
“But as one contact said to me this week: “There has been no crisis management around this [dirty politics crisis]. No one has gone away and read all emails sent by National MPs or National staffers to Cam Slater.”
If this is true then truly Key is a worse leader than I thought.
So long as KDC is careful when he releases evidence that proves John Key was lying!
Every one knows he is a Liar it only has slightly dented his popularity!
So KDC gloating about proving Key being a Liar Most likely would backfire!
Especially the Way Kim dumbarse’s comments have already
damaged the Whole lefts credibility!
Ekshly, given the Blue Leopard/CV discussion above, there’s one thing I’ve noticed with the Kiwi bloke over the years …..Key’s pathological bullshitting is seen as staunch and tuff and likable even – because the ‘Kiwi bloke is now amongst the biggest tellers of tall stories I’ve come across. Bloody shame their spouses don’t give them absolute arseholes over their kaka.
There is a certain type of Kiwi bloke who does nothing but bullshit, but I’ve never thought of it as a likeable trait. Maybe what I see as being an absolute wanker is actually popular. People are funny.
Thanks phillip. I needed that after MR hitting me with “Major boost to Nats who can govern alone” just as I woke up followed by Smug Joyce.
I take heart from the fact that many more people than usual are voting in the NZ election in London and at home the Advance Vote level is high. A good turnout favours the Left and also supports a “lets chuck this lot out” feel.
“the slater/ede comms are the delight still to come..
..and these are what will inflict major damage on key..”
Looks like there is nothing to come Phil (Whaledump2 signs off), if there was anything linking Key to any of this I am sure it would have been released so looks like I was right in saying links to Key were all unsubstantiated.
..Sometimes it pays to stick to facts and ignore innuendo..eh..?
Yes, it provides an interesting insight into how National handle internal ructions versus the Left . The Rights natural cunningness seems to mean that they handle their internal ructions behind closed doors while the Left hangs all its dirty washing for all to see. Which brings me back to the incredibly demoralising poll’s mentioned on RNZ at 7.00am news…National are still above 50%…UNBELIEVABLE.
Our first reaction was to ask how thick and immoral are the 50% who continue to support John Key and his corrupt government, don’t these people give a shit for our democracy but then when they hear John Key state “Labour do it too”, these voters think back to the ABC’s constant attacks including the last shocker only a month ago when an ABC’er attacked DC for a 3 day break in the school holidays. I guess people wont change their votes easily and Labour is coming back from some pretty public internal spats, which I suspect voters are equating with #dirtypolitics.
On top of this, Labour are trying to sell a very necessary CGT, but don’t underestimate the powerful interests who oppose this. It was never going to be easy to sell CGT.
As an ex bean counter, I can say that most accountants would struggle to answer all questions on a particular tax policy without a tax manual at their side…testing DC on whether he can recall every little piece of detail on a tax policy is a sure fire winner for John Key…more cunning stuff from the most dishonest Prime Minister NZ has ever had.
I too am a beancounter. While we work with the tax legislation nearby and tax experts on speed dial, nobody expects Cunnliffe to be a beancounter.
But we do expect him to be up to date with his own party policy (especially since we are told it was he helped write the policy) and we expect him to be able to explain it in a manner that voters can understand.
We didnt get that at all the other night and we havent had it since. We still have no idea exactly how a Labour led government will implement the CGT on inheritance houses. All we do know is that in about 10 years, the Govt will collect around $1 billion per years from the tax, and we only know that because Phil Twyford said it on TV yesterday.
One of the problems with being in opposition is that it rather harder to define an implementation than it is to define a policy. You don’t have access to the micro level data that would allow you to do it.
That is why National’s policies in 2005/8 were pretty damn pathetic – and why they varied a *lot* after they got elected.
You’re just doing the equivalent of pissing into the wind if you expect the kind of precision that you are demanding.
Lets be honest Key ate Cunliffe alive.
It appears that you were watching the same debate as John Armstrong. The second half in particular had John Key telling bullshit about Christchurch directly to a Christchurch audience who were living in it. I suspect National lost the election then.
@The Lone Haranguer
Yes, you epitomise the Accounting profession: probably good on detail but abysmal on the overall big picture stuff, I always found that this basic quality made a good accountant because no sane, balanced, big pictured person could spend their whole life in such an incredibly boring profession, no offense. Anyway, CGT is one of the blocks that is required to ensure money is invested in productive industry, absolutely critical if we want to move away from our obsession with investment houses and over priced dairy farms. The details that you say DC should know will obviously be worked on once in government, but given that CGT is implemented in Australia and every other western nation then Labour wont have to reinvent the wheel.
I also would have thought that the ICANZ’s high standards around ethics would have had some alarm bells ringing around john Keys behaviour…I guess you are happy to turn a blind eye to this, nice one.
Saarbo, somebodys got to look at the detail in the policies, so its either us accountants or its the quantity surveyors. And Im not sure you can trust them 🙂
You suggest a CGT will divert $$ to productive industry, but dont recognise dairy farms as a productive industry? Turning green grass into white milk is one of those things we are very good at, so I cant see that diverting investment money out of dairying will reap the rewards we all seek.
ICANZ? I know its detail, but we havent been called that for years. Thats about two name changes ago.
And finally, I find the ethics of many political parties to be quite undesirable. But then I have to recognise that the purpose of a political party is to get into power and to inflict their policies upon the nation. So while I find the Nats suggesting unaffordable tax cuts to be poor policy, I also recall the WFF policy and the interest free student loans policies to be equally poor policy.
There is no good reason for the State to be subsidising employers, (pay a decent wage) and any half decent policy wonk would know that interest free loans would lead to abuse – crap courses that really help nobody except the owners of the courses, and disguise the unemployment rates.
Sorry, a bit behind the 8 ball on some of the operational changes in ICANZ, I see they have merged with Aus or something, “detail” is not my thing. Anyway, go to page 28 of the latest Acuity Magazine (CA Aus and NZ, CAANZ…got it right this time), there is a good article on “Long Term Thinking”, a robust debate on superannuation and tax policies for the next NZ government…it is written by CAANZ CEO Lee White…interestingly he argues for a broadening of the tax base and on Pg 30 he clearly argues that one of the options to broaden the tax base is implementing of CGT. He also argues for spending on disadvantaged children and increasing the age of eligibility for superannuation. Labour’s policies are most aligned with his thinking, as would be most people who have the long term future of New Zealand at heart. Good to see that the bean counters have “big picture” person running the joint.
Regarding dairy farms, I didn’t say that CGT would divert money away from dairy farms, what I meant is that CGT may help moderate the value of dairy farms. The biggest cost on dairy farms in NZ is now Interest cost, in fact Interest cost is so high, our cost of production is not much lower then US and Europe, which is crazy. This is driven by the absurd valuations…and guess who benefits from this: Australian banks. Dairy farms will be getting around $5.50 per kg ms in the 2014/15 year, banks will on average take over $1 of this in interest revenue, and farmers will end up increasing their debt to put food on their tables.
Theres a lot you say that I actually agree with, so dont assume that “accountant = National supporter come voter” in all instances.
I do think that a CGT needs to be properly explained to the voters as its a proposed new tax for New Zealand. And I think the recent efforts by Labour have not helped the CGT cause at all, or Labours election hopes.
Voters are looking for some level of certainty,
I personally support lower income tax (flat even) the introduction of UBI and a transaction tax on the banking sector. I note that the Labour CGT does not appear to address share sales and I would have thought that was the second largest area of tax free wealth in the country – altho contained in far fewer hands than the property driven tax free wealth.
I also am at a loss to understand how it is that Labour can say a CGT will take the speculation out of the property market, thereby helping with housing affordability, while also saying (again Phil Twyford on TV yesterday morning) that they will raise $1B per year from the tax.
If property values dont rise the tax will be a fizzer.
I have no doubt that the CGT will have an affect on asset values, but it wont provide the solution on its own….which I guess supports Twyford’s statement. $1b per annum assumes capital gains of $6.666b per annum. Interestingly between 1987 and 2013 house values alone (i.e doesn’t include farms, businesses etc which CGT would capture) increased $453b (refer attached (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11299685 )…of course our own private homes are not included, but this provides some feel for how conservative Twyford is been.
I think Labour has been clear, CGT is just one of the building blocks that will help re-balance the economy, I don’t think they have ever stated that it will provide the solution for over inflated asset prices on its own.
Im a big fan of “fairness” and believe that we need to use tax policy in this area more, sometimes right wingers frame this as “politics of envy, which is bull shit…just so you know where I am coming from:-)
Sorry I should have said, “in relation to the tax discussion, lets be honest, Key ate Cunliffe alive”
I agree that Key was pretty hopeless on the earthquake and Christchurch, but I dont think it will cost them the election (tho the Stuff poll has the Canterbury vote at 59.2% which is the highest level in the country and just isnt going to happen anytime soon if you go by comments on the Press webpage)
Thanks veutoviper, Karol and of course Selwyn.
The recent polls just don’t make sense. The most hardened Nat backers must hang on with blind eyes but there must be many who do care about the integrity of NZ’s system of Governance? And sooner preferably or later a Royal Commission must be called.
It is likely that Slater has read back through his emails and realised that there is real dirt re Eade. Hence last ditch effort to block publication. Of course Joyce is right. No one in National has anything to do with the injunction. Ha ha! After all Mr Key has done nothing wrong so nothing to fear.
Thanks for the very interesting article vv. As an aside to the Ede story I had been wondering how Nat volunteers had been getting on with their door knocking and campaigning and that article makes it clear that they are facing difficulties.
The more morally stout volunteer must be feeling conflicted and even betrayed by their own party. I almost feel sorry for them.
Just looking at the massive slide in the male vote for Labour….and wondering are all those selfies with the All Blacks paying off for Key?
There is I understand a no surprises policy between the All Blacks Management and this Government. Is there also a relationship which links the ABs brand to public money?
And how come, twice in this campaign, Key has trotted out his close relationship with the ABs when the whole country was watching and not a peep from the national rugby team? The first time was during the first debate when Key claimed to know that the ABs had hacked the Wallaby’s line up and the second time was as he sailed on stage, in front of the country’s assembled media at the National Party Conference: His opening line, referrencing Obama’s campaigning slogan, “Richie just texted, ‘Yes, you can’.
Some explaining to do Rugby Union. Or should we just wait for the emails to be released?
I see your point but I think the 18% male support for Cunliffe is under stated, it just seems too extreme to be true. The continued fall in Labour support is good news long term for the a greens but the left as a group need to win this election! Norman should take over fronting the big issues and Labour should work in more with the left wing party on the rise.
Edit: Maths
Norman does well in fronting economic and climate issues. Turei is excellent on issues of poverty and inequality. At John Campbell’s Dinner for the Undecided, Turei did a great job in responding to Whyte’s dodgy theories about raising worker productivity as the way end poverty/inequality. Laila Harre didn’t do as well, even though she later came back with some very good points.
Yep. The numbers have dropped for National. Now, only 49% more women support National, than Labour. Put another way, female support for National ahead of Labour has dropped to a mere 3:2.
(That is, 43% female support for National, 28.9% for Labour.)
The Greens will garner a lot of the remaining female votes.
Hello Gosman how ya been? You’re incisive comments are coming thick and fast today. Left your post to a lot of wannabes, just when you should be on the ball! Nothing since 27/8 and now spraying it around like air freshener. That’s what we need after all the bad odour that Nats have got into.
Maybe he is, but the Greens realized early on that there were no votes in attacking men over gender issues. Although fronting the rape culture early, they realized it was a turn off for male voters. Labour seem slow to get that identity politics have a small following in the general public.
Plenty of time to achieve something there when we get into power.
The labour party seems to be the spiritual home of all the people who think that identity politics is the most important issue facing NZ. This complete disconnect with the rest of NZ is what is killing the labour party.
Problem is, it seems these individuals are so deeply rooted into the workings and decision making of the labour party you can’t get rid of them.
Reminds me very much of what has happened to the Republican party in the states,
fundamentalist Christians got involved, took over and have pretty much destroyed that party with their extremism.
Identity politics is a pretty broad term, BM. I know how important it is and I don’t vote Labour and would be quite comfortable being called “anti-feminist”. What is more important than the relationship between genders, between groups of any kind? Are you saying that anything other than status quo is unacceptable? Is that your interpretation of the “threat” of Identity Politics?
Oh. please, the Greens are excellent on gender, race and sexuality equality. They put it into practice. It’s about being an inclusive and a fair society and organisation. The “identity politics” slur is based on fallacies and inaccuracies of what a fair and inclusive society is all about.
And the Greens are also excellent on worker rights’ policies.
It’s not the gender, sexuality politics that will turn off left wing men, it’s the weaknesses in policies on fairness at work and social security, etc.
“It’s not the gender, sexuality politics that will turn off left wing men, it’s the weaknesses in policies on fairness at work and social security, etc.”
+1
I’m guessing perception is part of it too. How much is feeling let down by Labour policy as opposed to reacting to how Labour policy is reported in the MSM?
I strongly believe that Men can speak for themselves, thanks. We have our own political agency without this ongoing woman-rationalising on our behalf. Which although well meaning embodies a tonne of gendered assumptions about what is important to men. And to be blunt, you don’t really know how we feel, our life experiences and what our priorities and problems are, thanks. If you want to really help us, how about you listen to us for change and stop telling us what we should be thinking.
I’m guessing perception is part of it too. How much is feeling let down by Labour policy as opposed to reacting to how Labour policy is reported in the MSM?
What you’ve written begins to touch on a few of the issues. But this is not about a couple of poor policy launches or biased MSM stories. That would minimise what has gone on over an extended period of time. Why do I say “extended period”?
Because Labour as a political party was definitely male dominated 20 years ago. No argument there. Things have now flipped so completely that in this survey, Labour is now 60% more popular with women than with men. It’s almost, but not quite, a completely unbalanced 5:3 ratio, F:M.
And its the kind of result you might see from a political party which has deliberately decided to focus on appealing to women only.
What to do about it? Fuck knows. Many in Labour won’t even see that there’s a problem. And the disconnect with the NZ electorate will continue.
And its the kind of result you might see from a political party which has deliberately decided to focus on appealing to women only.
It’s also the kind of result one might see from a party that had significant support from disenfranchised folk who wanted to address capitalist privilege without giving up their own social privilege.
“address capitalist privilege without giving up their own social privilege.”
That sounds involved. How would anyone do that? Or is that the new way of saying bourgeois without sounding old-fashioned? Surely there’d be not much left of the “social” once you took away the “capitalist”?
Nope, but you said these people were keen on doing it and presumably exist. How would they do it from within a capitalist reality? Never seen any practical long-term examples. Ever. Not communal living, nothing. It all fails inside capitalism.
No I didn’t. I merely posited another possible explanation for the demographic change CV reported, rather than assuming that the Labour Party was solely marketed at and focused towards women.
Anyway, I think a chap called Karl wrote some ditties on how to achieve a society that treats people equally rather than giving the bulk of power to rich people. Look him up, for starters.
So that’s a no then. Fair enough. I don’t know where all the covert anarchists are either. If I ever get short of condescending “left wing men” I’ll look you up, though. LOL “try reading marx” who the hell you think you’re talking to pal?
Of course I didn’t say this was about a few biased MSM stoires, and speaking of minimising, the stories haven’t been few.
“Because Labour as a political party was definitely male dominated 20 years ago. No argument there. Things have now flipped so completely that in this survey, Labour is now 60% more popular with women than with men. It’s almost, but not quite, a completely unbalanced 5:3 ratio, F:M.”
Aren’t you conflating two things there? Male dominated (by MPs and membership positions?), and woman who might vote Labour? I haven’t seen the research, was it about Labour members, confirmed Labour voters, or women voters who prefer Labour?
We can argue theories around this, but you’re not really telling me much about what left wing men think.
We can argue theories around this, but you’re not really telling me much about what left wing men think.
No one has been interested in what “left wing men” think for a very long time. Most are too old fashioned and sexist, appallingly socially conservative for the 21st century, too busy obstructing the progress of feminism and identity politics in favour of their own narrow priorities, and clearly and desperately trying to maintain their hold over male privilege.
“No one has been interested in what “left wing men” think for a very long time. Most are too old fashioned and sexist, appallingly socially conservative for the 21st century, too busy obstructing the progress of feminism and identity politics in favour of their own narrow priorities, and clearly and desperately trying to maintain their hold over male privilege.”
🙄 Just remember, you said all that, not anyone else in this conversation.
lol actually, I might well be a labour voter this year. They’ve been the best option in the last few survey’s I’ve responded to.
Not sure who I ticked last time.
But I might well be one of the left wing men who can recognise that all the left-wing economics and union membership possible will be slater-level hypocrisy until this society stops treating women (and other “others”) like shit.
And Votecompass (if one accepts self-selected non scientific methods) indicate that women are more concerned about social conditions, whereas men favour economic issues.
Which leads me to conclude that Weka’s suggestion is probably closer to the truth, that men are more susceptible to the mainstream propaganda. This is corroborated by the support going to National, and if economic issues were of concern for men, then surely they would understand that the economy has fared better under Labour time and time again?
I suggest the reason they don’t grasp that last fact is because they are being totally fooled by mainstream spin.
The drop in support by men, if I recall correctly, was around the start of the year when the mainstream were massively attacking Cunliffe. The ‘apology for being a man’, while clearly didn’t go down well for men (if internet conversations are anything to go by), was inflamed by the way the msm covered it. They could have clarified the meaning, but instead they chose to hype the whole thing up.
For example, I took Cunliffe’s comments over domestic violence showed he had a good grasp on the wider culture that helps to breed domestic violence, and that he was asking men to be proactive in addressing the issue – not solely focusing on women, and his apology, while perhaps clumsy, was not the big ‘all men are to blame’ thing that a lot of men, because they reacted emotionally, erroneously took it to be – and this perception was totally fueled by the media.
It would be good to see the men, who were supporting Labour and now moving to National in response to the massive propaganda we have been subjected to, learning to find ways to overcome their vulnerability to spin, is my conclusion. They need to realise they are being manipulated.
Yes, gross generalities, and potentially inaccurate polls! ( 🙁 )
However, yes they are according to Ipsos, which is the only data I know of that has regularly provided gender breakdowns.
I will go and have a look for that data, but last Ipsos they didn’t provide it – which was an interesting omission – and am unsure if I can access the older versions,
I don’t know how to access the older versions – it appears they are not available anymore.
They used to have a number of different polls that you could look at and compare the gender differences. I recall Labour were losing male support and National was gaining it. (I’m not saying all were going to National, but lots were)
It would be good to see the men, who were supporting Labour and now moving to National in response to the massive propaganda we have been subjected to, learning to find ways to overcome their vulnerability to spin, is my conclusion. They need to realise they are being manipulated.
No problem with Labour here, so lets do some victim blaming instead: men need to do better.
I suggest perhaps what needs to happen is for a more assertive and focussed strategy to counter the propaganda techniques that are rife – rather than buying into the propaganda and being appeasing and accommodating toward it.
I would like to see all people in New Zealand keeping themselves informed from decent sources too, though, so they were not so very vulnerable to the misinformation that is rife. I guess that is pretty idealistic, though.
“No problem with Labour here, so lets do some victim blaming instead: men need to do better.”
Or, we could all just stop whining about our needs and let white men run the place again. See how stupid this conversation is getting? Why don’t you just say exactly what you want CV and save us a whole lot of bother.
See how stupid this conversation is getting? Why don’t you just say exactly what you want CV and save us a whole lot of bother.
Hey weka, the answer to the massive gender imbalance in Labour’s support clearly is: “men need to do better.” From your comments it’s not quite clear whether you mean just me personally or Kiwi males in general, but I think you probably mean both. How can I disagree.
I can’t believe you are still on about this “evidence” Gosman when you’ve been told time and time again that reporting sexual abuse isn’t as straightforward as reporting other crimes, such as burglary, hence there isn’t a definitive statistic.
Commenters, including myself have spent far too long trying to explain this you and the difficulty around reporting.
Your inability to take on this information, to be respectful, to keep banging your “evidence” drum is hugely offensive to those of use that have been raped and abused.
Excellent!! I’m out there too in a few minutes, doing the same … in the rain…. Oh well, firm up – there’s an election to be won, and a Dunne to send off to retirement!
Awesome Acting up! What commitment! It’s not nice out there today and a hot cuppa will be in order on your return. May your hard work and determination be rewarded with the sweetest election result ever 🙂
I’m dragging the chain a bit as I’ve spent 10 months off my feet recovering from an achillies tendon injury. Last month I was ‘discharged’ from the pain clinic I had been attending and was rearing to go. When I got my leaflets I went hard out around our neighbourhood and have stuffed up the injury again!
Thats great news anker! I did hear we had a new volunteer on board which is always such welcome news. I have lost count but I think there is around 25 “pamphleteers” now. We are getting good feedback from leaflet receivers too, some of which who were once long time Dunne supporters, but no more.
A handful of people have been upset by the content of the leaflet but this is vastly outweighed by the number of people whose response has been positive and who are planning to vote Dunne out.
2 of our billboards have been stolen which has been disappointing as so much work goes into creating them and by stealing them they are denying our right to political expression.
Hopefully the thief will get their come comeuppance on 20th September!
I also spoke to someone who is a little “apolitical” and lives in the electorate and they were happy to be better informed and have agreed to vote for Virginia.
Husband mention a running poll run by the Dom Post which had Ginny at 52% and Done (the new spelling of his name) at 20 something.
I haven’t posted on fairfax for around two years (too many haters and RWer’s) but did this time. I see my comment has only just gone up and I posted it yesterday, and has been down voted by the aforementioned haters. I think National must pay people to sit around writing comments on such sites, and make sure they do fulfil their clicking on vote button duties.
If there is no evidence for it then stop using statistics that have no basis for political purposes then. I make no apologies for bringing this up every time someone attempts to do so.
The “evidence” has been supplied to you before from other commenters. Time and time again. It seems to me your issue is that you find it hard to believe that men abuse in such high numbers and that you’d rather deny there is a very serious problem.
To continue questioning, and turn rape into a numbers game is deeply insensitive. If you had any empathy or any knowledge of the problem you would know that a cold hard stat makes no difference to the victims. We KNOW how widespread the problem is.
Gosman Jenny Shipley released those stats around the time when National toughened up child abuse laws when she was the minister of health.
As a foster parent and during my time doing Social Work I have ready widely on psychology,Most Research in Psychology is from Statistics mainly gathered from censuses and large surveys shows this is not just a problem in NZ.
When you see that nearly 40% of women have at some stage in their life have had a Man sexually abuse them it changes my view on what it means to be a man !
Btw I have researched these claims before and the statistics are dubious at best and none I have seen are anywhere near the 38% that is being bandied around here.
I also spoke to someone who is a little “apolitical” and lives in the electorate and they were happy to be better informed and have agreed to vote for Virginia.
Husband mention a running poll run by the Dom Post which had Ginny at 52% and Done (the new spelling of his name) at 20 something.
You can’t have done much research nearly all the Psychology books I have read have stated between 20 to30% for males and female around 35% plus with the likelihood of more because of the shame associated!
The United Nations Human Rights site claims some countries sexual abuse rates for women are as high as 46% and that figure could be higher because of underreporting!
Gosman 90% of sexual abuse is committed by men stats also show!
sorry I can’t do links on my not so smartphone!
So you know there is a problem, but merely quibble over the extent.
As if arguing the exact percentage is a reason to avoid confronting a problem in our society.
We, like Ahab and his crew, rationalize madness. All calls for prudence, for halting the march toward environmental catastrophe, for sane limits on carbon emissions, are ignored or ridiculed. Even with the flashing red lights before us, the increased droughts, rapid melting of glaciers and Arctic ice, monster tornadoes, vast hurricanes, crop failures, floods, raging wildfires and soaring temperatures, we bow slavishly before hedonism and greed and the enticing illusion of limitless power, intelligence and prowess. We believe in the eternal wellspring of material progress. We are our own idols. Nothing will halt our voyage; it seems to us to have been decreed by natural law. “The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run,” Ahab declares. We have surrendered our lives to corporate forces that ultimately serve systems of death. Microbes will inherit the earth.
Within the lifetimes of our children our world will be barren of wildlife, which will be locked into gated parks. The wilds will be gone. The myriad of species will be gone. The seas will be empty. We will be living alone on a planet of farmland and nothing more.
It’s about the encouraged, ritualised, supervised sexualisation of children, so yes, it really is about the school.
First person I’ve seen call this incident ‘rebellious acting out by an attention seeking teen’, completely ignoring the facts behind the story.
Blame the victim much?
I’ve seen how you’ve ‘hunted’ and taunted female commentators on ts, demanding they answer your questions etc… etc… Using misogynist language, insults and intimidatory methods, So I’m not shocked by your nonchalant dismissal over the school’s blatant sexualisation of it’s pupils, but still surprised you’d be so ‘open’ about it.
I guess with little checks, sometimes you get very little balance in return.
More pot propaganda not all your information is true from what I have encountered its the next day after the dope has gone the shit hits the fan grumpiness sets in and then violent abusive behaviour towards partners and children the children run way from home!
the children’s undeveloped brains are effected by the dope that the parents leave lying around after a session.Which the children being inquisitive steal and smoke!
Get real Phillip no drug is as good as you are trying to picture!
The number of homeless street kids I have worked with over the years and the stories they have told makes your excuses and Denials a joke !
I note that Labour have now advised there will be a “period of grace” during which to sell the family home of of a deceased estate. But this period needs to take into consideration the varying times it takes to sell properties in different parts of NZ. While a house in Auckland could sell in a matter of weeks, ones in rural towns like Tokoroa may take a year or more. A fair method would be for the Labour lead government to offer to buy those houses, at current market value, for those who are having difficulty in selling them within the timeframe.
It would be an option, to sell a policy, but not in any way “fair”. Fair suggests some sort of moral consideration/justification. People know damn well what they’re doing. There is no excuse of they didn’t know, didn’t see it coming, weren’t warned etc etc. It gets into “the art of talking about ethics only in an attempt to justify the unethical”.
I gather from your comment that you object to my comment of a “fair method”. I fail to see how focusing on unfair practice that disadvantages one sector of the population is “talking about ethics only in an attempt to justify the unethical”.
It would be unethical to disadvantage home owners in rural towns by insisting on a short timeframe in which to sell the house when even homes that are under mortgage foreclosure sales are not selling. Often fairness needs to consider individual situations and not try and make one size to fit all. Otherwise the outcome is unfair.
Labour aren’t insisting on a short time frame. Rather, the rules around CGT are open for discussion post election and the policy is to set up a working group to decide what works best. And that will not be ‘one size fits all’. As with your question yesterday, I detect a bucolic whiff of straw in your contribution, halcyon.
careful..!..you’ll be getting dizzy there..!..trp..!
..the fact of the matter is that saying the offspring of deceased parents had a one month window of opportunity to sell their parents home..before incurring c.g.t..
..must make the shortlist for brain-fade-of-the-election-campaign award..?
Don’t be to quick to defend Te Reo. Apart from three occasions in the last 60 years I have voted Labour. ( That makes 17 votes for Labour). My concerns are genuine. I just don’t vote for a party because I am a member. I need to be assured that the Party I vote for has the best policies.
Even two years may not suffice. Because of redundancy we located to another town to obtain work. We put the family home on the market for less than government valuation. Three years later it did not sell.
A better way forward would be going back to the old Labour policy of a Joint Family Home. When one purchased a family home it was registered as such. One could only own one JFH. Any other houses bought were considered investment.
I understood the period of grace, which was always in the policy, is two years.
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Clearly those Labour politicians who spoke on this topic in recent days did not understand this, or they havent read their own policy.
That messup aside, the inheritors only get charged on the capital gain from a month after the death and theres pretty much no chance of capital gains when a house hasnt sold in three years despite being advertised at under the ratable value.
You might understand that Karol but Cunliffe doesn’t if he can come out with a claim like a month.
Given he dreams of being PM, and says that he developed the policy I think we might be wiser to believe he means what he says rather than take your rather rosier view.
Unless of course you were something like the leader of the Green Party who seem to be rapidly catching up on the position of being the largest party in the opposition.
But ownership of the home will legally still be with the deceased until the time it is sold? at which time funds from the sale go to the executor of the trust, and won’t be dispersed to the benificiaries of the will until the will is executed.
So I suspect this is a non-issue.
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I wish KDC would have just shut up and left politics to Hone and Laila. No other party has their principal backer on stage , they usually prefer anonymity.
Laila and Hone are professionals and the public face of IMP should be left to them.
KDC needs to have a high profile to demonstrate what a great guy he is. It is an attempt to prevent his extradition to the States. I am glad David Cunliffe has make it clear that Labour will not interfere in the judicial process. However, do you think David has the strength to stand up to the other parties in government how support KDC? David’s decision on this matter could see the fall of Labour.
Are you seriously suggesting that you expect the Maori Party to get 6% or more of the party vote?
That is, of course, the only way that Tame Iti is going to get into Parliament. He is, after all number 7 on their list and isn’t standing in an electorate.
“Speaking in the home he built himself in Ruatoki, Iti said he had always supported the Maori Party and had decided to stand to boost the party’s support and because he endorsed the work it had done in government.
“Not very long ago I wouldn’t have thought about it but I see there’s more achievement…with National in terms of the treaty settlements so we have come a long way,” he said.
That makes National more attractive. I would rather have Tama in parliament than a political party associated with Dotcom. At least Tama is focused on Maori issues and not trying to protect his own skin.
+1 he’s at it again taking a dig at Cameron Slater Kim Dismal Critic!
Slater will drown in his own Toxic pit!
Dump Dot Comical is bringing the whole Left down!
Money won’t buy you the love of the people of NZ!
Ffs when you have only 2to3% of the people liking your Party and Policy you don’t keep making revenge attacks hows that worked !
Key goes up in popularity everytime Kim dumb as opens his mouth !
When Dot Com has his big day it will be a disaster Key will shrug his shoulders say its a left wing conspiracy and move on!
Laila and Hone are professionals and the public face of IMP should be left to them.
I agree that his exposure should be significantly cut down, but I don’t think it can be completely eliminated because he does have cachet and profile with a certain young crowd.
The Fairfax poll has 13% undecided while the Morgan poll has only 3%. Swordfish explained the consistently lower undecided response in the Morgan poll as being because they a pushier in getting a preference from people who are undecided. Of course that 13% may not vote, but I am hoping the low undecided percentage makes the Morgan more reliable.
I think John Key got a boost with some voters by sacking Collins. Unfortunately people who haven’t read Hager’s book think the only problem was Judith Collins, and the unfortunately the MSM are doing a very poor job of exposing the evidence of the serious level of corruption that has grown under this government. Even with Judith Collins the print edition of the Herald made much of her claims the facebook entries were fake, but did not follow up with the David Fisher article online yesterday that provided verification of her correspondence with Slater.
Judith Collins is down. The only person who can get her OUT OF PARLIAMENT is Jerome Mika. Give him a hand, at 185 Great South Road Papakura, if you are nearby. Donate to his campaign fund if you can. Papakura Labour bank is 020400 0231246 00.
thx Zorr .. I knew that ;smile; just wondering why joe posted it. guess there are folks who haven’t seen them yet … and maybe, so far, it is the only direct link to Ede.
But where Ede slipped up was using his Jason.Ede@parliament.govt.nz email address to receive digitised copies of official government documents from a photocopier/scanner in the Beehive. Its address is: l9-Photocopier@parliament.govt.nz. The l9 referring to Level Nine, the 9th floor of the Beehive Executive Wing.
There are 50,000 members of the NZEI, 93% of whom oppose government policy on the “expert teachers” plan, and John Key uses an announcement for funding of special needs kids to attack them.
The strange thing is that Special Needs Education has been seriously underfunded for 6 long years. It has been cut. So why just before an election would they have a change of heart? I wonder why!
And has anyone questioned Key on the detail? Bet not.
The High Court has temporarily gagged the hacker who has years of Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater’s explosive communications with high-profile figures.
The blogger – who was not at the High Court in Auckland today – was successful in placing an interim injunction against the hacker known as Rawshark from any further publication of his emails and social-media conversations.
However, Justice John Fogarty said the media were still allowed to discuss material already leaked and publish information already in their hands.”
Is John Key appropriating the NZRU to do his political campaign bidding?
Heard on the wireless the Samoa Rugby Union has a press conference tomorrow and the rumour is that for for the first time ever the All Black will play a test in Apia in July next year.
Question is again: Has John Key used the NZRU as a vehicle to gain the Samoan vote for this election?
Slashing corporate and top personal tax rates (which Salmond plans to do), doesnt exactly sound like a socialist state — I think we may get Poland, not Norway..
Those hoping for independence for Scotland need to think carefully. The Scottish National Party and Ales Salmond have always right wing, and the North Sea oil that they are depending on for income is unlikely to last for much longer. Scotland already has independence in health and education.
If independence were to happen then Scotland would likely get a Labour leadership, but unfortunately the rest of the UK would be Tory for ever more, as a large number of labour MPs in the House of Commons currently are from Scotland.
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Tax is now at the top of the political campaign agenda.
On Tuesday night David Cunliffe didn’t know the details of his party’s Capital Gains Tax which has been party policy since the last election.
Meanwhile Bill English is said to be considering announcing tax cuts next week even though the Government’s Pre Election Fiscal Update last month offered only one scenario in which total tax revenue would increase over the next four years and that was dependent on a strengthening of the US economy.
But Labour is also being criticised for its plans to increase taxation to 36$ on incomes over $150,000 even though that is a 3% drop on its 2011 policy.
Tax is the big issues for the two Economic Spokespeople — but there are also real questions about what’s going to happen in the economy over the next three years.
This week global dairy trade auction prices fell by 6% to their lowest level since 2012. Fonterra has dropped its payout forecast for the current season from $7kg to $6kg for milk solids.
All of this comes with growing concerns that China’s economy is starting to slow again. The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that China’s economy faced further headwinds after two measures of factory output decelerated in August, adding pressure on Beijing to stimulate growth to meet the nation’s annual target.The results disclosed on Monday follow weaker investment, real estate and retail data in recent weeks. How valid then are Treasury forecasts showing unemployment falling over the enxt foru years.
Plainly this could have implications for Treasury forecasts of falling unemployment over the enxt foru years.
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Nice article from puddleglum disecting a Sunday Star Times article from 2009 on one Cameron Slater.
Back then he was quite happy for this to be written about him:
“Similarly, the site has grown into an instrument of attack on the party’s opponents. Pooling resources with friend and fellow insider David Farrar, who conducts National’s polling and runs the much larger Kiwiblog, Slater has identified the “cocktail party spy”, Kees Keizer, and dug up research papers intended to embarrass Labour’s new Mt Albert MP.”
And,
“When it came to pursuing political targets, the party apparatus would not officially feed him tips, or otherwise instruct him to do its bidding. “But somebody might ring me up [of their own volition] and say `check this out’.””
Ah, they were simplier times. When Slater was happy to be portrayed as a National party insider receiving tips from them to use on his website which is an instrument of attacks on the Labour party. Along with National party insider and National party employee David Farrar.
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Bryce Edwards writes – When she was campaigning to be Minister of Finance last year, Nicola Willis pledged that she would resign from the job if she failed to deliver tax cuts in her first Budget. Now, it’s that pledge, along with Prime Minister Christopher Luxon’s ...
Robert MacCulloch writes – The Reserve Bank has doubled staff numbers in five years to 510, with personnel costs rising to $80 million in 2023 from $32 million in 2018 – up by a whopping 150%. I guess when you print $50 billion and flood markets with liquidity, ...
The furore. In case you didn’t notice there was a controversy in the weekend involving dolphins in a little town off the South Island. Don’t panic, they haven’t declared independence and resumed whaling, this was simply a sailing event.The problem began when racing was cancelled on the opening day of ...
For 20 years or more, the case for a meaningful capital tax gains has been mulled over and analysed to death, including by the tax working group chaired by Sir Michael Cullen. More than once, the International Monetary Fund has said a CGT would be a good idea for New ...
TL;DR: My top 10 news and analysis links this morning include:Today’s must-read: The Public Health Communications Centre (PHCC) call for urgent preventive action and a risk assessment survey of long covid in this briefing noteLocal scoop: NZ road deaths surpass OECD rates, so why is the govt reversing safety plans? ...
This story was originally published by Grist and is part of Covering Climate Now, a global journalism collaboration strengthening coverage of the climate story. This story is part of a collaboration with Grist and WABE to demystify the Georgia Public Service Commission, the small but powerful state-elected board that makes critical decisions about everything from raising ...
This is a guest post from Robert McLachlan Global warming is accelerating; 2023 was off the charts. We need to stop burning fossil fuels. In New Zealand, transport accounts for half of all fossil fuels burnt. In the Emissions Reduction Plan, transport emissions fall 41% by 2035. As the ...
Labour productivity has been receding rapidly over the past two years, reversing a post-lockdown rise. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: My six things to note in Aotearoa’s political economy as at 6:26am on Tuesday, March 26 include:Workers have been treading water in output per hour worked for 12 years, ...
TL;DR: The key events to watch in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy in the week to April 2 include:Today, Parliament resumes sitting at 2pm for the second week of a two-week session. Officials for SIS and GCSB report their annual reviews in public to the Intelligence and Security Select Committee from 5.10pm.Tomorrow, ...
Faced with a barrage of criticism over the promised tax cuts from usually supportive commentators, Finance Minister Nicola Willis yesterday reaffirmed her intention to include them in this year’s Budget. The Government is up against it over the cuts just about every way it turns. Commentators like Fran O’Sullivan, Matthew ...
Here’s my pick of today’s substack posts as of 6:26pm on Monday, March 25: writes via his substack that Market-rate housing will make your city cheaper writes via his substack about the problems talking to double-cab ute (truck) drivers about their vehicles. today about moments of radicalisation in ...
Buzz from the Beehive Just before Christmas, Finance Minister Nicola Willis delivered something that was pitched as a mini-budget and brayed about the decisive action being taken to repair the Government books and support income tax relief in Budget 2024. In a statement headed Fiscal repair job underway. she introduced ...
My sister Belinda asked Dad yesterday what one word would describe Mum best. He said: vivacious.If you only knew her from the photos on the slideshow we've made for today,you might wonder about that, because the camera tended to lie with Mum.If ever she saw a camera pointed at her, she ...
There are two major public consultations closing in the next week, Auckland Council’s Long Term Plan (LTP), and the draft Government Policy Statement on Land Transport (GPS). Closing dates and times: LTP closes Thursday 28 February, at 11.59pm – a minute to midnight! GPS closes Tuesday 2 April, at 12pm noon – note that’s ...
From Kiwiblog’s David Farrar – Bryce Wilkinson writes: Senior Fellow Bryce Wilkinson’s analysis reveals that since March 2009, New Zealand has spent $158 billion more overseas than it has earned, but its NIIP has only fallen by $32 billion.Statistics New Zealand shows that receipts from overseas reinsurers have ...
Is she hinting that the Coalition Government will have to back down on key promises it made in Opposition? Brian Easton writes – The Minister of Finance, Nicola Willis, is telling an evolving story about her fiscal challenges. In Opposition she was confident that she could ...
Dear Nicola Willis,Right now you’ve probably got lots of competing demands coming at you. Ministers who’ve inherited quite a mess, or so you’ve told us, looking for money in the budget to improve things. I imagine that’s why they came to parliament - to make things better.You’ll have to make ...
The Local Government, Transport and Auckland Minister hasthreatened councils with intervention if they don’t merge water assets to take them off balance sheet, just as the now-repealed Three Waters plan directed. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: My six things of note this morning for Monday, March 25 include:Simeon ...
A listing of 36 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, March 17, 2024 thru Sat, March 23, 2024. Story of the week Thanks to John Mason having the stamina to sit down to watch "Climate - the Movie" ...
This morning the Q&A programme had Simeon Brown on to talk about National’s replacement for Three Waters. In case anyone’s forgotten the three are - drinking water, waste water, and sewerage. It’s quite important not to get them mixed up. In much the same way that you wouldn’t want to ...
Today’s newsletter comes with a mini-podcast conversation between me and my buddy Liv Tennet, talking about her time as a child actor in Lord of the Rings. It’s a conversation with a lot of giggles as she talks about falling off a horse, and becoming a meme. Read ...
The Desmog Climate Disinformation Database documents, "individuals and organisations that have helped to delay and distract the public and our elected leaders from taking needed action to reduce greenhouse gas pollution and fight global warming." It's a who's who of the organised climate change denial movement, in other words. In ...
Bob Edlin writes – A High Court judge has decided miscreants who have mana – or who claim to have mana – should be treated differently from miscreants who have none. It’s a ruling that suggests indigenous law-breakers have a better chance of securing a discharge without conviction ...
Welcome to the first, and possibly last, edition of Brickbats, Bouquets and Bull’s Wool. In which I’ll take a look at the events of the last week or so, and rate them.In such ratings the numbers usually have more to do with the opinions of the reviewer, than the actual ...
Roger Partridge writes – My earlier column this month, New Zealand’s highest court could be facing a turning point, prompted a flood of feedback from business readers and lawyers alike. A common query was what Parliament can do to restrain an overreaching judiciary. This week I discuss two steps Parliament ...
TL;DR: In today’s ‘six-stack’ of substacks at 6.16pm on Friday, March 22: writes about New Zealand's Building Boom—And What the World Must Learn From It over at his substack. challenges the Auckland Council’s use of a 3.8 degrees of warming forecast to oppose a wave-park and data centre project ...
Is she hinting that the Coalition Government will have to back down on key promises it made in Opposition?The Minister of Finance, Nicola Willis, is telling an evolving story about her fiscal challenges. In Opposition she was confident that she could deliver her promised income tax cuts. Appointed minister, she ...
Buzz from the Beehive Ministers of the Crown have drawn attention to one sector of the science sector which is unlikely to be subjected to heavy spending cuts, a state-funded broadcaster which is doing nicely, thank you, and a sporting event that had $5.4 million from the public purse puffed ...
Abbott’s Freestyle Libre sensors allow continuous glucose monitoring (CGM). The sensor is applied to the back of the patient’s arm, with a thin filament under the skin measuring glucose levels constantly. But it costs around $100 per sensor and must be replaced once every 14 days. Photo by BSIP/Universal Images ...
The Inspector General of Intelligence and Security (IGIS) recently released a report in which he exposes the existence of a foreign intelligence partner-controlled technological “capability” inside the headquarters of the GCSB, NZ’s 5 Eyes-affiliated signals intelligence collection and analysis agency. … Continue reading → ...
Peter Dunne writes – Nearly three decades after the introduction of MMP and multiparty governments there should be a greater level of understanding about their finer points than often appears to be the case. The reaction to the despicable outburst from the Deputy Prime Minister at the weekend highlights ...
The sweet kisses from fruit of summerHave slowly been turning dullerYou say, "those times"And "remember the daysWhen we went outside and there still was the shade?"Taking no reason into play…Autumn. Clear, blue days shortening to longer nights, growing colder. Aotearoa.That’s us. The temperature dropping, the looming car crash - so ...
Bryce Edwards writes – “It is often said that behind every great man is a great woman”. This is the pitch by the National Party Botany electorate branch to attend their “Ladies Afternoon Tea with Amanda Luxon”. For $110 including GST, you can turn up on Saturday 20 April ...
David Farrar writes – The Electoral Commission has published the expense returns for political parties for the 2023 election. I’ve put them in a table with how many votes a party got so we can see the spend per vote. National only spent $3.34 for every vote they got, almost ...
Winston Peters’ headline-making actions over the past week may have been a show of political power intended to strengthen his hand in Budget negotiations. It was no accident that his State of the Nation speech was as it was. He made it as New Zealand First Leader, not as Deputy ...
Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The five things that mattered in Aotearoa’s political economy that we wrote and spoke about via The Kākā and elsewhere for paying subscribers in the last week included:Former Labour Finance Minister Grant Robertson bowed out of politics this week, giving a series of exit ...
Graham Adams writes — If you love the law or sausages, as the saying goes, best not to look too closely at how they are made. And after watching the orgy of self-pity when Newshub’s closure was announced on February 28, television journalism should definitely be added to the list of those ...
Venerable New Zealand political commentator, Chris Trotter (https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/), is a sad creature these days. Once one of the most reliable Leftist writers out there – Economic Left at that – Trotter seems to have absorbed the worldview of Auckland culture-war obsessives. It is not for me to categorise what he ...
The cruelty of short-term memory loss is that each time you ask where she is, you get the fresh shock and grief of the news. That was Dad's day yesterday.Comfortingly, it seems to be less so today. Last night he looked crumpled, today he seems more settled. There's a card ...
Photo by Alvan Nee on UnsplashIt’s that new day of the week (Thursday rather than Friday) when and I co-host our ‘hoon’ webinar with paying subscribers to The Kākā for an hour at 5 pm. Jump on this link on YouTube Livestream for our chat about the week’s news ...
Buzz from the Beehive One minister is talking tough while a colleague – whose ministry had acted tough and drawn a barrage of flak – has shown an official softening. Some ministers are doing what Labour was good at, which is distributing public funds to causes regarded as worthy or ...
A ballot for 4 Member's Bills was held today, and the following bills were drawn: Insurance Contracts Bill (Duncan Webb) Income Tax (Clean Transport FBT Exclusion) Amendment Bill (Julie Anne Genter) Crimes (Increased Penalties for Slavery Offences) Amendment Bill (Greg Fleming) Pae Ora (Healthy Futures) ...
One of the strongest narratives about "our" spy agencies is that they are basically institutional traitors, working for foreign powers (or just themselves), without any control or oversight by the elected government. And today, we have yet another report from the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security which explicitly confirms this. ...
“It is often said that behind every great man is a great woman”. This is the pitch by the National Party Botany electorate branch to attend their “Ladies Afternoon Tea with Amanda Luxon”. For $110 including GST, you can turn up on Saturday 20 April to meet the Prime Minister’s ...
The Coalition Government’s plan to ‘get Auckland moving’ is a cuts cover-up that will ultimately cost Aucklanders more to move around the city, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
Slashing the Ministry of Pacific Peoples by 40% will have a devastating impact on pacific communities and further highlights how little this government cares about anything other than cutting taxes for the wealthiest few. ...
Labour has proposed an urgent inquiry to investigate the ever-increasing profits of supermarkets, aiming to lower costs for shoppers and food producers alike, says Labour Spokesperson for Commerce and Consumer Affairs Arena Williams and Primary Production Spokesperson Cushla Tangaere-Manuel. ...
With 14% of jobs on the line at the Ministry for Ethnic Communities, the responsible Minister Melissa Lee is failing to stand up for the very communities she’s meant to be representing. ...
COURT OF APPEAL: TRIFECTA OF VICTORY FOR NZ FIRST, TRIFECTA OF FAILURE FOR OPPONENTS For the third time since April 2020, New Zealand First has defeated the Serious Fraud Office and all those complicit in a malicious attack against a political party going about its lawful business in a lawful ...
The Green Party stands with people who live in public housing, people in dire housing need, experts and advocates in demanding better than the Government’s archaic approach to housing those who need our support the most. ...
New Zealand has recently lost the hosting rights of some major international sporting events including the America’s Cup, the Rugby Championship, Netball World Cup, and the Wellington Sevens. We are now at a huge risk of losing SailGP as well. And it won’t stop there. The recent issues with SailGP ...
A Member’s Bill drawn this week would modernise insurance law and make things fairer and more transparent for consumers, Christchurch Central MP Duncan Webb said. ...
The Minister for Disability Issues has confirmed she was aware of funding issues in mid-December and did nothing to stop it. On 14 March, she signed off on changes that were announced and implemented on 18 March without any consultation with disability communities. ...
Green Party MP Julie Anne Genter says her members' bill is an opportunity for the coalition government to plug the gap in electric vehicle incentives. ...
The National Government continues to talk about irresponsible tax cuts that will only drive up inflation, despite the country entering a technical recession. ...
The Minister for Disability Issues must act urgently to reinstate flexibility around the funding for disability support and apologise to disabled carers. ...
This story has been initiated by a leftie shill reporter who proactively sought to call a member of a former band, which disbanded twelve years ago, give their biased appraisal of what was said in my speech, and concocted a ham-fisted attempt at a story that does nothing but show ...
The Government has accepted Labour’s change to the Road User Charge (RUC) discount for hybrid vehicles, meaning there will still be some incentive for people to buy greener vehicles. ...
Many in the mainstream media have taken what was said in New Zealand First’s State of the Nation Speech in Palmerston North on Sunday and deliberately, deceitfully, and ignorantly misrepresented what I said and why I said it. The headlines and commentary on the news stated that I compared ‘co-governance ...
Kicking the most vulnerable people out of state housing and pushing them towards homelessness will result in a proliferation of poverty and trauma across our most vulnerable communities. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader and MP for Waiariki, Rawiri Waititi has penned a letter asking MPs to support his members bill to remove GST from all food. The bill is expected to go through its first reading in parliament this Wednesday. “I’m calling on all political parties to support my ...
Good afternoon. Thank you for, in your very busy lives, turning up to this meeting today. On October 14th last year New Zealanders overwhelmingly voted for change. That is exactly what this new government is bringing. New Zealand First campaigned to ‘take back our country’ and stop the disastrous economic ...
This year is about getting real with Kiwis and discussing the tough issues, as the National Government exacerbates inequality and divides New Zealand, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said ...
The Government adding Significant Natural Areas (SNAs) to its already roaring environmental policy bonfire is an assault on the future of wildlife that makes Aotearoa unique. ...
After 12 years of fighting to protect our moana we are finding ourselves back at square one and back at court. Today, the Environmental Protection Agency is sitting in Hawera to reconsider an application from Trans-Tasman Resources to dig up 50 million tonnes of the seabed in South Taranaki. This ...
Minister Shane Jones’ decision to step away from a seabed mining project is evidence of the murky waters surrounding the Government’s fast-track legislation. ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The Coalition Government’s miscalculation saga continues as it has forgotten an eyewatering $90 million gap in its interest deductibility cost figures, say Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds and Revenue Spokesperson Deborah Russell. ...
He Pou a Rangi Climate Change Commission has today released advice that says if the Government doesn’t act now New Zealand is at risk of not meeting its climate goals. ...
The Coalition Government has today confirmed it is abandoning first home buyers who are struggling to get ahead, says Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds. ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed the passing of legislation to move light electric vehicles (EVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) into the road user charges system from 1 April. “It was always intended that EVs and PHEVs would be exempt from road user charges until they reached two ...
New Zealand is strengthening its ability to combat illegal fishing outside its domestic waters and beef up regulation for its own commercial fishers in international waters through a Bill which had its first reading in Parliament today. The Fisheries (International Fishing and Other Matters) Amendment Bill 2023 sets out stronger ...
Economists Carl Hansen and Professor Prasanna Gai have been appointed to the Reserve Bank Monetary Policy Committee, Finance Minister Nicola Willis announced today. The Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) is the independent decision-making body that sets the Official Cash Rate which determines interest rates. Carl Hansen, the executive director of Capital ...
Apartment owners and buyers will soon have greater protections as further changes to the law on unit titles come into effect, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “The Unit Titles (Strengthening Body Corporate Governance and Other Matters) Amendment Act had already introduced some changes in December 2022 and May 2023, and ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters will travel to Egypt and Europe from this weekend. “This travel will focus on a range of New Zealand’s traditional diplomatic and security partnerships while enabling broad engagement on the urgent situation in Gaza,” Mr Peters says. Mr Peters will attend the NATO Foreign ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown is encouraging all road users to stay safe, plan their journeys ahead of time, and be patient with other drivers while travelling around this Easter long weekend. “Road safety is a responsibility we all share, and with increased traffic on our roads expected this Easter we ...
About 1.4 million New Zealanders will receive cost of living relief through increased government assistance from April 1 909,000 pensioners get a boost to Superannuation, including 5000 veterans 371,000 working-age beneficiaries will get higher payments 45,000 students will see an increase in their allowance Over a quarter of New Zealanders ...
Ensuring social housing is being provided to those with the greatest needs is front of mind as the Government restarts social housing tenancy reviews, Associate Housing Minister Tama Potaka says. “Our relentless focus on building a strong economy is to ensure we can deliver better public services such as social ...
The Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary will not go ahead, with Cabinet deciding to stop work on the proposed reserve and remove the Bill that would have established it from Parliament’s order paper. “The Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary Bill would have created a 620,000 sq km economic no-go zone,” Oceans and Fisheries Minister ...
Dam safety regulations are being amended so that smaller dams won’t be subject to excessive compliance costs, Minister for Building and Construction Chris Penk says. “The coalition Government is focused on reducing costs and removing unnecessary red tape so we can get the economy back on track. “Dam safety regulations ...
The coalition Government is expanding the medium-scale adverse event classification to parts of the North Island as dry weather conditions persist, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced today. “I have made the decision to expand the medium-scale adverse event classification already in place for parts of the South Island to also cover the ...
The passing of legislation giving effect to coalition Government tax commitments has been welcomed by Finance Minister Nicola Willis. “The Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill will help place New Zealand on a more secure economic footing, improve outcomes for New Zealanders, and make our tax system ...
Science, Innovation and Technology Minister Judith Collins and Tertiary Education and Skills Minister Penny Simmonds today announced plans to transform our science and university sectors to boost the economy. Two advisory groups, chaired by Professor Sir Peter Gluckman, will advise the Government on how these sectors can play a greater ...
The Budget will deliver urgently-needed tax relief to hard-working New Zealanders while putting the government’s finances back on a sustainable track, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The Finance Minister made the comments at the release of the Budget Policy Statement setting out the Government’s Budget objectives. “The coalition Government intends ...
The coalition Government will look at options to address a zoning issue that limits how much financial support Queenstown residents can get for accommodation. Cabinet has agreed on a response to the Petitions Committee, which had recommended the geographic information MSD uses to determine how much accommodation supplement can be ...
Cabinet has agreed to a short extension to the final reporting timeframe for the Royal Commission into Abuse in Care from 28 March 2024 to 26 June 2024, Internal Affairs Minister Brooke van Velden says. “The Royal Commission wrote to me on 16 February 2024, requesting that I consider an ...
The coalition Government is delivering an $18 million boost to New Zealanders needing to travel for specialist health treatment, Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says. “These changes are long overdue – the National Travel Assistance (NTA) scheme saw its last increase to mileage and accommodation rates way back in 2009. ...
The Government is recognising the innovative and rising talent in New Zealand’s growing space sector, with the Prime Minister and Space Minister Judith Collins announcing the new Prime Minister’s Prizes for Space today. “New Zealand has a growing reputation as a high-value partner for space missions and research. I am ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has confirmed New Zealand’s concerns about cyber activity have been conveyed directly to the Chinese Government. “The Prime Minister and Minister Collins have expressed concerns today about malicious cyber activity, attributed to groups sponsored by the Chinese Government, targeting democratic institutions in both New ...
Independent Reviewers appointed for School Property Inquiry Education Minister Erica Stanford today announced the appointment of three independent reviewers to lead the Ministerial Inquiry into the Ministry of Education’s School Property Function. The Inquiry will be led by former Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully. “There is a clear need ...
State Highway 1 across the Brynderwyns will be open for Easter weekend, with work currently underway to ensure the resilience of this critical route being paused for Easter Weekend to allow holiday makers to travel north, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Today I visited the Brynderwyn Hills construction site, where ...
Introduction Good morning to you all, and thanks for having me bright and early today. I am absolutely delighted to be the Minister for Infrastructure alongside the Minister of Housing and Resource Management Reform. I know the Prime Minister sees the three roles as closely connected and he wants me ...
New Zealand stands with the United Kingdom in its condemnation of People’s Republic of China (PRC) state-backed malicious cyber activity impacting its Electoral Commission and targeting Members of the UK Parliament. “The use of cyber-enabled espionage operations to interfere with democratic institutions and processes anywhere is unacceptable,” Minister Responsible for ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Judith Collins today announced New Zealand will provide logistics support for the upcoming Solomon Islands election. “We’re sending a team of New Zealand Defence Force personnel and two NH90 helicopters to provide logistics support for the election on 17 April, at the request ...
The European Union Free Trade Agreement Legislation Amendment Bill received Royal Assent today, completing the process for New Zealand’s ratification of its free trade agreement with the European Union. “I am pleased to announce that today, in a small ceremony at the Beehive, New Zealand notified the European Union ...
Public consultation on the terms of reference for the Royal Commission into COVID-19 Lessons has concluded, Internal Affairs Minister Hon Brooke van Velden says. “I have been advised that there were over 11,000 submissions made through the Royal Commission’s online consultation portal.” Expanding the scope of the Royal Commission of ...
Hardworking families are set to benefit from a new credit to help them meet their early childcare education (ECE) costs, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. From 1 July, parents and caregivers of young children will be supported to manage the rising cost of living with a partial reimbursement of their ...
A specialised Independent Technical Advisory Group (ITAG) tasked with preparing and publishing independent non-binding advice on the design of a "green" (sustainable finance) taxonomy rulebook is being established, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “Comprising experts and market participants, the ITAG's primary goal is to deliver comprehensive recommendations to the ...
Defence Minister Judith Collins has thanked the Chief of Army, Major General John Boswell, DSD, for his service as he leaves the Army after 40 years. “I would like to thank Major General Boswell for his contribution to the Army and the wider New Zealand Defence Force, undertaking many different ...
25 March 2024 Minister to meet Australian counterparts and Manufacturing Industry Leaders Small Business, Manufacturing, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly will travel to Australia for a series of bi-lateral meetings and manufacturing visits. During the visit, Minister Bayly will meet with his Australian counterparts, Senator Tim Ayres, Ed ...
Government commits almost $3 million for period products in schools The Coalition Government has committed $2.9 million to ensure intermediate and secondary schools continue providing period products to those who need them, Minister of Education Erica Stanford announced today. “This is an issue of dignity and ensuring young women don’t ...
Good morning, it’s great to be here. First, I would like to acknowledge the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveyors and thank you for the opportunity to be here this morning. I would like to use this opportunity to outline the Government’s ambitious plan and what we hope to ...
Minister for Pacific Peoples Dr Shane Reti has announced the Government’s commitment to the Auckland Secondary Schools Māori and Pacific Islands Cultural Festival, more commonly known as Polyfest. “The Ministry for Pacific Peoples is a longtime supporter of Polyfest and, as it celebrates 49 years in 2024, I’m proud to ...
Before moving onto the substance of today’s address, I want to recognise the very significant and ongoing contribution the Breast Cancer Foundation makes to support the lives of New Zealand women and their families living with breast cancer. I very much enjoy working with you. I also want to recognise ...
New Zealand has notched up a first with the launch of University of Canterbury research to the International Space Station, Science, Innovation and Technology and Space Minister Judith Collins says. The hardware, developed by Dr Sarah Kessans, is designed to operate autonomously in orbit, allowing scientists on Earth to study ...
Introduction Thank you for inviting me to speak with you today and I’m sorry I can’t be there in person. Yesterday I started in Wellington for Breakfast TV, spoke to a property conference in Auckland, and finished the day speaking to local government in Christchurch, so it would have been ...
The Coalition Government is contributing more than $1 million to support the establishment of an emergency multi-agency coordination centre in Northland. Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell announced the contribution today during a visit of the Whangārei site where the facility will be constructed. “Northland has faced a number ...
New Zealanders have enjoyed a broader range of voices telling the story of Aotearoa thanks to the creation of Whakaata Māori 20 years ago, says Māori Development Minister Tama Potaka. The minister spoke at a celebration marking the national indigenous media organisation’s 20th anniversary at their studio in Auckland on ...
Commercial catch limits for some fisheries have been increased following a review showing stocks are healthy and abundant, Ocean and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The changes, along with some other catch limit changes and management settings, begin coming into effect from 1 April 2024. "Regular biannual reviews of fish ...
By Anneke Smith, RNZ News political reporter A petition urging the New Zealand government to provide urgent humanitarian assistance to the Palestinian people has been tabled in the House. More than 200 people gathered on Parliament’s forecourt today and they were met by MPs from Labour, the Greens and Te ...
Pacific Media Watch The Paris-based global media freedom watchdog RSF (Reporters Without Borders) has appealed for information about the “disappearance” of Palestinian journalist Bayan Abusultan. She was reportedly last seen on March 19 among people “sequestered” in this week’s raid and siege of Al Shifa hospital by Israeli troops in ...
EDITORIAL:The Jakarta Post It happens again and again; indigenous Papuans fall victim to Indonesian soldiers. This time, we have photographic evidence for the brutality, with videos on social media showing a Papuan man being tortured by a group of plainclothes men alleged to be the Indonesian Military (TNI) members. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Robyn J. Whitaker, Director of the Wesley Centre for Theology, Ethics, and Public Policy & Associate Professor, New Testament, Pilgrim Theological College, University of Divinity A strange and eclectic range of activities takes place across these few weeks of the year. Some ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Panizza Allmark, Professor Visual & Cultural Studies, Edith Cowan University It’s Easter weekend, which means many of us will be kicking back with the greatest hits on repeat. But whether you’re a boomer, or an ‘80s or ’90s kid, you might be ...
RNZ Pacific Fiji’s Acting Public Prosecutor has filed an appeal against the sentences of former prime minister Voreqe Bainimarama and suspended police chief Sitiveni Qiliho in their corruption case. Bainimarama was granted an absolute discharge for attempting to pervert the course of justice while Qiliho received a conditional discharge with ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Arosha Weerakoon, Senior Lecturer and General Dentist, School of Dentistry, The University of Queensland Casezy idea/Shutterstock How does toothpaste work? What did people use before toothpaste was invented? – Amelia, age 7, Meanjin (Brisbane) Thanks for your ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Brett Hallam, Associate professor, UNSW Sydney IM Imagery/Shutterstock Solar SunShot is well named. The Australian government announced today it would plough A$1 billion into bringing back solar manufacturing to Australia, boosting energy security, swapping coal and gas jobs for those ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Clare Dix, Research Fellow in Nutrition & Dietetics, The University of Queensland Easter is the time for chocolate. The shops are full of fantastically packaged and shiny chocolates in all shapes and sizes, making trips to the supermarket with children more challenging ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Emma Felton, Adjunct Senior Researcher, University of South Australia Even in a stubborn cost-of-living crisis, it seems there’s one luxury most Australians won’t sacrifice – their daily cup of coffee. Coffee sales have largely remained stable, even as financial pressures have ...
Mining company Trans-Tasman Resources has unexpectedly withdrawn its application for a consent to suck the valuable metals vanadium and titanium from the Taranaki seafloor, as it apparently wagers on the Government’s new fast-track process. It had spent two-and-a-half days putting its case to the Environmental Protection Agency’s decision-making committee, at ...
Contrary to the Associate Minister of Education’s claims, analysis of Healthy School Lunches Programme - Ka Ora, Ka Ako assessments has revealed it provides excellent value for the taxpayer dollar, as a groundswell of public opposition to Government ...
Greenpeace says wannabe Taranaki seabed miner Trans-Tasman Resources is likely banking on Christopher Luxon’s fast-track process to side-step proper scrutiny of its Taranaki seabed mining proposal by bailing out of the Environmental Protection Agency hearing ...
Kiwis Against Seabed mining today slammed Australian owned would-be seabed miner Trans Tasman Resources (TTR) for abandoning its application to the Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) to mine the seabed of the South Taranaki Bight. The company ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Katie Attwell, Associate Professor, School of Social Sciences, The University of Western Australia Ground Picture/Shutterstock Months after COVID vaccines were introduced in 2021, governments and private organisations mandated them for various groups. Health and aged care workers were among the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Andrew Dzurak, Scientia Professor Andrew Dzurak, CEO and Founder of Diraq, UNSW Sydney Diraq For decades, the pursuit of quantum computing has struggled with the need for extremely low temperatures, mere fractions of a degree above absolute zero (0 Kelvin or ...
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Polls suck – if you’re a leftie lol.
Poor old Mr Cunliffe must be beating his head against the wall this morning wondering what to do next.
Nats over 50% and Labour slipping under 24% even after 2 weeks of the media hounding John Key?
He can’t throw out more bribes – the bag is already bursting with goodies for everyone except rich pricks.
Gotta be a little bit of tension building in the Labour Caucus at the moment….
The fact that the poll has National on nearly 55% support should be all the warning you need regarding this poll. That result is 10% more than the latest two polls for the same period and means that the results are outside the confidence interval for being able to cross-over.
There should be so many warning bells about the issues with polling from that one poll and all the inconsistencies in the percentages.
Greens under 14%? Highly unlikely. They’ve been solid on that level of support for a while.
NZF under 5%? Puh-lease. In all honesty, the only question with NZF is if they get 6% or 8%.
Include in this the fact that the Stuff/Ipsos poll does only land lines and you have a recipe for majorly overestimating the support for National.
Yep, that’s a rogue and needs to be discarded. The polling company should have picked that up.
What I can’t help but notice is how strategically handy these newspaper polls are to National – to the degree that it is impossible to have any confidence in them. From the “last chance to get rid of Cunliffe” poll to today’s polls which dovetail so neatly with Slater’s attempt to legally close down rawshark, the coincidences beggar belief.
The election is the only poll that matters, and we must go on working to get our vote out.
Labour Party support amongst men has plummeted by 40% in under 1 year. From 32.2% to 18.4%. Today 60% more women support Labour than men do.
This is an abysmal but to my mind, unsurprising result.
Yep agreed, unsurprising …
and I betcha that figure plummets further for white men… middle class men …. and older men ….
What I’m waiting for now is the cartoonish caricatures of Kiwi blokes to be rolled out. As if uncaring misogynist bluster and bullshit is what New Zealand men really want from the Labour Party.
Cunliffe needs to be seen riding a motorcycle and chopping wood, preferably both at the same time.
Doesn’t get any more manly and blokey than that, instant 10% in the polls.
BM what about a 3 way handshake &Catwalk!
you are right but don’t forget the beer with the bloke’s!
That 3 way was a classic.
Got to hand it to Key though, he can certainly laugh at himself.
The amount of photos where he’s had a picture taken of himself re-enacting the 3-way with whomever is quite high.
mmm Key, collins and slater 3-way….
grimy !
Key laughs at his own stuff all the time. The trouble is, he’s naturally unfunny. The man’s like a fount of negative humour. Every one-liner, every joke assails the senses, raises a groan and makes one that little bit less likely to laugh.
It is a true shame that Labour does not appeal to such a large sector of society..
maybe if they and their supporters stopped apologising for being a man…. stopped pointing fingers at old white men so much …. stopped painting them as bad people ….
no wisdom.
… sorry for being a man … ffs
Boo to you vto. The answer for Labour out of this slump is to delve deeper and more explicitly into gender politics and policies. What are you afraid of you chauvinist dino? Sticking to your principles is a damn sight more important than anything else, right.
It would appear from VTO’s comment, that Labour have failed to address male identity, yet in response you appear to be being sarky about such an approach?
Or am I misunderstanding your comment?
What do you think Labour needs to do with regard to the loss of male support?
If men supported Labour at the same rate as women, Labour would be sitting 7% higher in the polls.
The problem is dire.
I’ve already outlined my position very extensively on previous comment threads. The feedback I remember receiving is that I should stop talking about Labour and “identity politics” versus “economic justice” because no real problem.
Well, today it’s a 7%, roughly 9 MP, problem.
I was asking you today, not really so keen to go back searching for previous conversations on the matter.
I am not so very focussed on ‘identity’ politics, myself (as I have noted previously), however I do see that jumping up and down against ‘identity’ as you have done, sort of focusses on the most negative factor of the issue and therefore tend to agree with that advice you say you were given.
The media also do this, focus on the male vs female, they make it an either/or issue. And raise this narrative anytime Labour make any moves to balance up imbalances. Of course the propagandists would do this – the propagandists know this is the best way to put people off.
Another example of this is done against people attempting to address issues for Maori, the narrative suddenly becomes about ‘ohh privileges for Maori, whities are losing out’ and this is simply not accurate at all when a political approach is trying to address disadvantages built into the system against Maori.
I read an interesting article recently and this section made me recall that whole furore about ‘identity’:
[I broke it up into paragraphs, so hopefully it is easier to read]
I do accept that ‘apologising for being a man’, and especially the spin placed around it, put off some people (have detailed that elsewhere on this thread), however the drop in male support occurred earlier in the year and I suggest perhaps what needs to happen is for a more assertive and focussed strategy to counter the propaganda techniques that are rife – rather than buying into the propaganda and being appeasing and accommodating toward it.
If there are groups who are disadvantaged in the country – how does one address the imbalance without singling them out somewhat? That is how the propaganda works – it turns a redressing imbalance into an ‘us vs them’ scene.
So we’re going with the idea that it must be Labour’s weak messaging and counterspin which has resulted in 60% more women supporting Labour then men? I think its perhaps just one factor amongst many substantial ones.
That retirement policy prob isn’t helping… 🙂
…and yes I do think spin is playing a HUGE part.
The retirement policy is a big ingredient in the bad/weak political economic stuff, yes.
Remember guys die years earlier than women. Maori guys have it worst of all. These are traditional Labour voters who get smashed worst by Labour’s policy.
All part of the grand vision for labour.
@ colonial viper
Why are men walking from Labour particularly do you think ? Do Labour seem weak on getting business going, enterprise, the economy? Is the perception that it seems only interested in charitable works, helping out the suffering, sort of like a non-religious not-for-profit that hasn’t got any mojo for leading the country into the
smart, hard working, profitable business-oriented style that men are hankering after.
In brief and IMO, Kiwi guys want a Labour Party which is hands on, practical, unapologetically red, straight up, staunch and steely eyed, focussed on economic justice and rebuilding our depleted society. A seriously gutsy Labour Party willing to implement serious change not just manage details. A Labour Party which was each of those things would also have huge headroom to push for socially liberal change on issues some might consider “identity politics.”
This is consistent with what I’ve argued for at length, previously.
@ colonial viper
Interesting. David Cunliffe gave men the opportunity to make those points to him with his invitation to email him earlier on. I wonder what sort of responses he got? Perhaps women were foremost there as being mor articulate with a willingness to communicate. Perhaps the strong opinions of men would have to be dragged out of them over a beer?
Perhaps the men have absorbed the rugged individualistic approach from Roger’s union-dodgers. Now if a man can’t front up and take whatever, without a union to nurse him along, then he isn’t a real man? The farmers tend to not want to accept social welfare when everything turns to mud for them. Because they are too proud and bigotedand have bad-mouthed beneficiaries so don’t want to accept help from others when difficulties mount up.
Perhaps this shooting-oneself-in-the-foot attitude that promotes stubborn pride in suffering alone and finding one’s own salvation is at the root now of men falling away from Labour. After all it was Labour who led them to believe that they shouldn’t protest about the introduction of Rogernomics. This was a letdown from those supposed to have an intelligent overview of the situation and supposed to be supporting ordinary working men Now possibly they have built a picture of Labour as having had its day as a viable group working for the benefit of ordinary men. It’s now interested in providing a pillow for the dying working man and woman, and those in politics more for their own advancement as a career.
Assuming the poll is representative, very few of the 150,000 or so men who have moved on from Labour over the last year are going to have engaged with Cunliffe through a mechanism like that.
And what exactly can Cunliffe can change about Labour Party culture and socialisation, he’s just one man.
@ Colonial viper
Do you think that men don’t connect Labour with solid business friendly policies, but just ameliorating the lives of losers. To put it short and sour!
You didn’t say anything about the latter part of my comment.
And I agree that Cunliffe is doing his best. I just wondered if any useful view of what’s in men’s minds showed up in his emails.
And why wouldn’t men be susceptible to image. The one that men receive and the one that women receive will depend on which view of the man from mirror city they are looking at. But his clever advisors will choose a look that suits the sensitivities of the viewers. And we all are sensitive to propaganda, that is known.
Yes. And it’s working much better for the sensitivities of women voters than male voters.
I think that I answered this above and its nothing to do with beneficiaries or losers, or being “business” friendly or not.
It’s to do with being gutsy, staunch and standing by the principles you espouse – whatever they are. As I said above:
A theory I’m kicking around is that prior to 1987 most of the tradies in this country were employed by the Ministry of Works, Ministry of Energy, NZ Post Office, the power boards, NZ Forest Service etc, all vertically integrated outifits that were heavily unionised.
When the above organisations were “restructured” (that is why I chose 1987) a lot of those tradies were laid off and used the generous redundancies they got paid to start their own businesses and contract back to the new corporate entities that grew in their place.
Almost overnight, they moved from being working class tradespeople to being middle class business owners and employers (and as a concequence, National voters).
I’ve been wondering about this too Millsy. Self-employed contractors have a legal business entity, use accountants and lawyers and negotiate contracts and may have quite different perceptions on ‘economy’ and expectations of employment and social equity when compared with the old version of tradies.
Traditional Labour concerns that split the ‘workers’ from the ‘bosses’ can be destructive when these contractors are themselves tradies but also often take on the financial risks of employing apprentices and other low-skilled/low paid workers.
Changing business practices like contracting mean that Labour is talking to a smaller group of traditional supporters.
That tallies.
@ CV,
It would appear that votes are being lost to National.
If this is so, it kinda doesn’t make sense that what you say is what these guys are looking for if they are prepared to vote National over Labour.
National are far further removed from the picture you paint than Labour are. (And why don’t they move to Mana??)
Perhaps these shifting voters are more susceptible to voting for image (‘someone they could have a beer with’) or ‘for The Winner’ [the one who has been framed as being the winning team forever by the media], than you are caring to accept?
How is this not just more blaming the victim talk? Men are more susceptible to voting for image and superficiality than women are etc. Seriously? When National support amongst women is still 3:2 to Labour’s?
With a response like that, it doesn’t sound like you are interested in actually delving into the matter.
Hopefully someone else will have some suggestions as to what could gain Labour or the left more support and stop people lurching over to the corrupt, bunch of spinners.
Don’t tell me what I’m interested in or not please.
My view is that I’ve already “delved into the matter” in great depth. I’m the one who signalled months ago that Labour was in deep shit with its chosen balance between, and approach to, identity politics vs political economics. Mostly, I wasn’t listened to, and in general, I was discredited for speaking up.
The only thing which has changed is we have new data. The crushing that Labour is getting in the polls has been quantified in terms of a rapidly worsening gender balance in its support base.
TL:DR – NZ males don’t feel included, listened to or represented by Labour and are fucking off in droves.
And some feminists will have no real issue with that as it proves once and for all that these men have a real attitude problem.
What more delving do you want.
If I wanted to tell you what you were interested in I would have written:
‘You aren’t interested in delving into the matter’
I have no interest in telling someone what they are or aren’t interested in, so, as you should be able to work out now, that is not what I wrote.
My guess is the latest Roy Morgan poll has it about right.
Labour 26 Green 16 NZF 6=48=Cunliffe as PM.
Polls – schmolls.
If you believe them then here’s one for you Jimmie:
This readers poll has on Virginia Andersen on 58.7% to win Ohariu. Wouldn’t that be great!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/10458353/Two-players-vying-for-electorate-seat
You right wingers shouldn’t feel so cocky. Even Steven Joyce on RNZ this a.m is saying they know it will be extremely close. As for Our Ginny, I feel it in my waters that she will win by a whisker, and boo hoo, no more Dunne to cosy up with National.
this would be a fine thing … I backing ‘your waters’ for the win Rosie ! I have similar sensibilities for the whole country.
Ditto your feelings about the whole country yeshe. I dare not dream it until it happens though!
It just shows how authoritarian NZ has become. Time to give up on democracy.
the ballot box
or the armalite ……. ?
@ Tom J
Not helpful. Spoiler.
Bullshit. Get out on the street and talk to people, people who used to vote National !
You are correct Adrian, there are some people who used to vote National. But there is a truck load more people who used to vote Labour. Anyone with even remotely open vision can see that.
The polls just happen to both be funded by corporate media outlets.
First thing to consider: Labour is neither Left, Senior Left, or the saviour of the Left. If Greens and Mana etc can’t get their message out to the public, that’s their problem, not Labour’s. Their policies are strong enough without Labour watering them down as entry fee into Coalition.
Second thing to consider is that the misperception that Labour is the Left and the Left is Labour has been propagated very effectively. That being the case, anything that rides the border of “…the Left does it too!” as per National’s claims, isn’t helping Labour or the Left.
Third thing, and it really amazes me, is that somehow in NZ people have decided that they have no mind of their own. If their friends or family say to go right, then they go right. So the people as groups are the problem, if people can be a problem to themselves. Because that would suggest that “Don’t vote don’t complain” actually means “Vote against your conscience and then complain”.
One word: Watergate.
Key may win but in six months he will wish he had not.
My thoughts exactly. He surely will wish he hadn’t
Apologies if someone has already provided a link to this Selwyn Manning article, but IMHO it is a MUST READ in terms of an insight into what is going on within the National Party vis a vis the Dirty Politics saga – and all is not well.
http://livenews.co.nz/2014/09/04/nationals-campaign-flying-blind-what-national-fears-most-and-where-it-is-most-vulnerable/
Edit – Now see that Karol linked to it at 2 on the Slater injunction post. But will leave it here as it really is a Must Read.
A good reminder for me – if the latest poll news has got you down read or reread this piece.
“But as one contact said to me this week: “There has been no crisis management around this [dirty politics crisis]. No one has gone away and read all emails sent by National MPs or National staffers to Cam Slater.”
If this is true then truly Key is a worse leader than I thought.
the slater/ede comms are the delight still to come..
..and these are what will inflict major damage on key..
..(and this is no doubt why slater is in court..trying to stop their release..)
..the downing of collins was just an entree in this banquet..
..the two main courses are yet to come..
..those slater/ede comms..and the greenwald/assange spooking-dirt-dump..
..five days b4 the polls close..
..and i wd echo that call for those glummed by todays’ polls..
..to keep these facts in mind..
..if this were a three-act play..we are nearing the end of the first act..
..there is so much more to come/happen..(heh..!..)
..so i wd urge all to hang-tough..and to relax..not stress..
..and to make sure they enjoy the ‘ride’..
..we have two more weeks of this to go..
..it sure as hell ain’t boring..eh..?
So long as KDC is careful when he releases evidence that proves John Key was lying!
Every one knows he is a Liar it only has slightly dented his popularity!
So KDC gloating about proving Key being a Liar Most likely would backfire!
Especially the Way Kim dumbarse’s comments have already
damaged the Whole lefts credibility!
Ekshly, given the Blue Leopard/CV discussion above, there’s one thing I’ve noticed with the Kiwi bloke over the years …..Key’s pathological bullshitting is seen as staunch and tuff and likable even – because the ‘Kiwi bloke is now amongst the biggest tellers of tall stories I’ve come across. Bloody shame their spouses don’t give them absolute arseholes over their kaka.
There is a certain type of Kiwi bloke who does nothing but bullshit, but I’ve never thought of it as a likeable trait. Maybe what I see as being an absolute wanker is actually popular. People are funny.
Thanks phillip. I needed that after MR hitting me with “Major boost to Nats who can govern alone” just as I woke up followed by Smug Joyce.
I take heart from the fact that many more people than usual are voting in the NZ election in London and at home the Advance Vote level is high. A good turnout favours the Left and also supports a “lets chuck this lot out” feel.
i hear y phil
too true.smiley face
“the slater/ede comms are the delight still to come..
..and these are what will inflict major damage on key..”
Looks like there is nothing to come Phil (Whaledump2 signs off), if there was anything linking Key to any of this I am sure it would have been released so looks like I was right in saying links to Key were all unsubstantiated.
..Sometimes it pays to stick to facts and ignore innuendo..eh..?
often such disclosures are all a matter of timing..dear boy….
..i wd suggest you keep watching that space..eh..?
..or..u cd cling to yr sheet-anchor of it-must-be-all-over..
..and how are you waving away the spooking-dump to come..?
..what are the mechanics of that denial..?..
..heh..!
..and why do you think slater is in court 2day..?
..trying to close the stable-door after all the horses have bolted..?
..i can still hear the whinnying from inside there..
Yes, it provides an interesting insight into how National handle internal ructions versus the Left . The Rights natural cunningness seems to mean that they handle their internal ructions behind closed doors while the Left hangs all its dirty washing for all to see. Which brings me back to the incredibly demoralising poll’s mentioned on RNZ at 7.00am news…National are still above 50%…UNBELIEVABLE.
Our first reaction was to ask how thick and immoral are the 50% who continue to support John Key and his corrupt government, don’t these people give a shit for our democracy but then when they hear John Key state “Labour do it too”, these voters think back to the ABC’s constant attacks including the last shocker only a month ago when an ABC’er attacked DC for a 3 day break in the school holidays. I guess people wont change their votes easily and Labour is coming back from some pretty public internal spats, which I suspect voters are equating with #dirtypolitics.
On top of this, Labour are trying to sell a very necessary CGT, but don’t underestimate the powerful interests who oppose this. It was never going to be easy to sell CGT.
Yes and as a result if you are trying to sell a CGT you had better be all over the detail rather than not knowing it.
Like tax cuts that will never happen
goose Nactionals fair weather friend
As an ex bean counter, I can say that most accountants would struggle to answer all questions on a particular tax policy without a tax manual at their side…testing DC on whether he can recall every little piece of detail on a tax policy is a sure fire winner for John Key…more cunning stuff from the most dishonest Prime Minister NZ has ever had.
I too am a beancounter. While we work with the tax legislation nearby and tax experts on speed dial, nobody expects Cunnliffe to be a beancounter.
But we do expect him to be up to date with his own party policy (especially since we are told it was he helped write the policy) and we expect him to be able to explain it in a manner that voters can understand.
We didnt get that at all the other night and we havent had it since. We still have no idea exactly how a Labour led government will implement the CGT on inheritance houses. All we do know is that in about 10 years, the Govt will collect around $1 billion per years from the tax, and we only know that because Phil Twyford said it on TV yesterday.
Lets be honest Key ate Cunliffe alive.
One of the problems with being in opposition is that it rather harder to define an implementation than it is to define a policy. You don’t have access to the micro level data that would allow you to do it.
That is why National’s policies in 2005/8 were pretty damn pathetic – and why they varied a *lot* after they got elected.
You’re just doing the equivalent of pissing into the wind if you expect the kind of precision that you are demanding.
It appears that you were watching the same debate as John Armstrong. The second half in particular had John Key telling bullshit about Christchurch directly to a Christchurch audience who were living in it. I suspect National lost the election then.
@The Lone Haranguer
Yes, you epitomise the Accounting profession: probably good on detail but abysmal on the overall big picture stuff, I always found that this basic quality made a good accountant because no sane, balanced, big pictured person could spend their whole life in such an incredibly boring profession, no offense. Anyway, CGT is one of the blocks that is required to ensure money is invested in productive industry, absolutely critical if we want to move away from our obsession with investment houses and over priced dairy farms. The details that you say DC should know will obviously be worked on once in government, but given that CGT is implemented in Australia and every other western nation then Labour wont have to reinvent the wheel.
I also would have thought that the ICANZ’s high standards around ethics would have had some alarm bells ringing around john Keys behaviour…I guess you are happy to turn a blind eye to this, nice one.
Saarbo, somebodys got to look at the detail in the policies, so its either us accountants or its the quantity surveyors. And Im not sure you can trust them 🙂
You suggest a CGT will divert $$ to productive industry, but dont recognise dairy farms as a productive industry? Turning green grass into white milk is one of those things we are very good at, so I cant see that diverting investment money out of dairying will reap the rewards we all seek.
ICANZ? I know its detail, but we havent been called that for years. Thats about two name changes ago.
And finally, I find the ethics of many political parties to be quite undesirable. But then I have to recognise that the purpose of a political party is to get into power and to inflict their policies upon the nation. So while I find the Nats suggesting unaffordable tax cuts to be poor policy, I also recall the WFF policy and the interest free student loans policies to be equally poor policy.
There is no good reason for the State to be subsidising employers, (pay a decent wage) and any half decent policy wonk would know that interest free loans would lead to abuse – crap courses that really help nobody except the owners of the courses, and disguise the unemployment rates.
@The Lone Haranger
Sorry, a bit behind the 8 ball on some of the operational changes in ICANZ, I see they have merged with Aus or something, “detail” is not my thing. Anyway, go to page 28 of the latest Acuity Magazine (CA Aus and NZ, CAANZ…got it right this time), there is a good article on “Long Term Thinking”, a robust debate on superannuation and tax policies for the next NZ government…it is written by CAANZ CEO Lee White…interestingly he argues for a broadening of the tax base and on Pg 30 he clearly argues that one of the options to broaden the tax base is implementing of CGT. He also argues for spending on disadvantaged children and increasing the age of eligibility for superannuation. Labour’s policies are most aligned with his thinking, as would be most people who have the long term future of New Zealand at heart. Good to see that the bean counters have “big picture” person running the joint.
Regarding dairy farms, I didn’t say that CGT would divert money away from dairy farms, what I meant is that CGT may help moderate the value of dairy farms. The biggest cost on dairy farms in NZ is now Interest cost, in fact Interest cost is so high, our cost of production is not much lower then US and Europe, which is crazy. This is driven by the absurd valuations…and guess who benefits from this: Australian banks. Dairy farms will be getting around $5.50 per kg ms in the 2014/15 year, banks will on average take over $1 of this in interest revenue, and farmers will end up increasing their debt to put food on their tables.
Theres a lot you say that I actually agree with, so dont assume that “accountant = National supporter come voter” in all instances.
I do think that a CGT needs to be properly explained to the voters as its a proposed new tax for New Zealand. And I think the recent efforts by Labour have not helped the CGT cause at all, or Labours election hopes.
Voters are looking for some level of certainty,
I personally support lower income tax (flat even) the introduction of UBI and a transaction tax on the banking sector. I note that the Labour CGT does not appear to address share sales and I would have thought that was the second largest area of tax free wealth in the country – altho contained in far fewer hands than the property driven tax free wealth.
I also am at a loss to understand how it is that Labour can say a CGT will take the speculation out of the property market, thereby helping with housing affordability, while also saying (again Phil Twyford on TV yesterday morning) that they will raise $1B per year from the tax.
If property values dont rise the tax will be a fizzer.
Your thoughts?
I have no doubt that the CGT will have an affect on asset values, but it wont provide the solution on its own….which I guess supports Twyford’s statement. $1b per annum assumes capital gains of $6.666b per annum. Interestingly between 1987 and 2013 house values alone (i.e doesn’t include farms, businesses etc which CGT would capture) increased $453b (refer attached (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11299685 )…of course our own private homes are not included, but this provides some feel for how conservative Twyford is been.
I think Labour has been clear, CGT is just one of the building blocks that will help re-balance the economy, I don’t think they have ever stated that it will provide the solution for over inflated asset prices on its own.
Im a big fan of “fairness” and believe that we need to use tax policy in this area more, sometimes right wingers frame this as “politics of envy, which is bull shit…just so you know where I am coming from:-)
Sorry I should have said, “in relation to the tax discussion, lets be honest, Key ate Cunliffe alive”
I agree that Key was pretty hopeless on the earthquake and Christchurch, but I dont think it will cost them the election (tho the Stuff poll has the Canterbury vote at 59.2% which is the highest level in the country and just isnt going to happen anytime soon if you go by comments on the Press webpage)
LH-I was in the front row and it appears that you weren’t there. Cunliffe’s speeches were well received by Cantabrians.
Key’s snide one liners were well received by the private school kids beside me.
Cunliffe tall and positive spoke to Cantabrians.
Key short and reptilian spoke to childish Tories.
To say ‘anybody ate anybody’ is the sort of meaningless language that Key uses.
Trouble is he gets away with it with superficial people.
Thanks veutoviper, Karol and of course Selwyn.
The recent polls just don’t make sense. The most hardened Nat backers must hang on with blind eyes but there must be many who do care about the integrity of NZ’s system of Governance? And sooner preferably or later a Royal Commission must be called.
It is likely that Slater has read back through his emails and realised that there is real dirt re Eade. Hence last ditch effort to block publication. Of course Joyce is right. No one in National has anything to do with the injunction. Ha ha! After all Mr Key has done nothing wrong so nothing to fear.
Thanks for the very interesting article vv. As an aside to the Ede story I had been wondering how Nat volunteers had been getting on with their door knocking and campaigning and that article makes it clear that they are facing difficulties.
The more morally stout volunteer must be feeling conflicted and even betrayed by their own party. I almost feel sorry for them.
Reply to Tigger. If they win won’t they just cover it up and carry on as usual
no..they wouldn’t be allowed to get away with that..
..there are already too many investigations under way..
..the watergate-references aren’t out of place..
Just looking at the massive slide in the male vote for Labour….and wondering are all those selfies with the All Blacks paying off for Key?
There is I understand a no surprises policy between the All Blacks Management and this Government. Is there also a relationship which links the ABs brand to public money?
And how come, twice in this campaign, Key has trotted out his close relationship with the ABs when the whole country was watching and not a peep from the national rugby team? The first time was during the first debate when Key claimed to know that the ABs had hacked the Wallaby’s line up and the second time was as he sailed on stage, in front of the country’s assembled media at the National Party Conference: His opening line, referrencing Obama’s campaigning slogan, “Richie just texted, ‘Yes, you can’.
Some explaining to do Rugby Union. Or should we just wait for the emails to be released?
The All blacks? hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha…………………………………
I don’t think so, try
– I’m sorry for being a Man
– Gender quotas
– All Men who have sex are considered rapists unless otherwise proven
I’d be surprised if male support made up more than 10% of labours vote.
I see your point but I think the 18% male support for Cunliffe is under stated, it just seems too extreme to be true. The continued fall in Labour support is good news long term for the a greens but the left as a group need to win this election! Norman should take over fronting the big issues and Labour should work in more with the left wing party on the rise.
Edit: Maths
That would do wonders for Cunliffe’s standing in the preferred PM stakes.
Norman does well in fronting economic and climate issues. Turei is excellent on issues of poverty and inequality. At John Campbell’s Dinner for the Undecided, Turei did a great job in responding to Whyte’s dodgy theories about raising worker productivity as the way end poverty/inequality. Laila Harre didn’t do as well, even though she later came back with some very good points.
I suppose that depends upon where it’s going. Labour may be losing male support but that doesn’t mean that it’s leaving the left.
Also, from the Young article, it looks like the Nats are gradually losing support from women.
Yep. The numbers have dropped for National. Now, only 49% more women support National, than Labour. Put another way, female support for National ahead of Labour has dropped to a mere 3:2.
(That is, 43% female support for National, 28.9% for Labour.)
The Greens will garner a lot of the remaining female votes.
Yeah, go after the NZRFU. That would guarantee massive amounts of publicity. Problem would be it would be all negative but what the hey.
Hello Gosman how ya been? You’re incisive comments are coming thick and fast today. Left your post to a lot of wannabes, just when you should be on the ball! Nothing since 27/8 and now spraying it around like air freshener. That’s what we need after all the bad odour that Nats have got into.
I don’t support National so I don’t know why what happens with them has anything to do with me.
Big Meeow dead cat bounce!
Bullying Misogynist when 38% of all Women claim to have been sexually abused(probably under reported)
That makes you a creep and an abuse enabler!
Maybe he is, but the Greens realized early on that there were no votes in attacking men over gender issues. Although fronting the rape culture early, they realized it was a turn off for male voters. Labour seem slow to get that identity politics have a small following in the general public.
Plenty of time to achieve something there when we get into power.
The labour party seems to be the spiritual home of all the people who think that identity politics is the most important issue facing NZ. This complete disconnect with the rest of NZ is what is killing the labour party.
Problem is, it seems these individuals are so deeply rooted into the workings and decision making of the labour party you can’t get rid of them.
Reminds me very much of what has happened to the Republican party in the states,
fundamentalist Christians got involved, took over and have pretty much destroyed that party with their extremism.
Identity politics is a pretty broad term, BM. I know how important it is and I don’t vote Labour and would be quite comfortable being called “anti-feminist”. What is more important than the relationship between genders, between groups of any kind? Are you saying that anything other than status quo is unacceptable? Is that your interpretation of the “threat” of Identity Politics?
Oh. please, the Greens are excellent on gender, race and sexuality equality. They put it into practice. It’s about being an inclusive and a fair society and organisation. The “identity politics” slur is based on fallacies and inaccuracies of what a fair and inclusive society is all about.
And the Greens are also excellent on worker rights’ policies.
It’s not the gender, sexuality politics that will turn off left wing men, it’s the weaknesses in policies on fairness at work and social security, etc.
“It’s not the gender, sexuality politics that will turn off left wing men, it’s the weaknesses in policies on fairness at work and social security, etc.”
+1
I’m guessing perception is part of it too. How much is feeling let down by Labour policy as opposed to reacting to how Labour policy is reported in the MSM?
I strongly believe that Men can speak for themselves, thanks. We have our own political agency without this ongoing woman-rationalising on our behalf. Which although well meaning embodies a tonne of gendered assumptions about what is important to men. And to be blunt, you don’t really know how we feel, our life experiences and what our priorities and problems are, thanks. If you want to really help us, how about you listen to us for change and stop telling us what we should be thinking.
*yes I am being a cheeky bastard.
well, I did ask a question CV. Would you like to answer it?
I can only talk about the men I know and read about and hear about. Not all men by any means.
What you’ve written begins to touch on a few of the issues. But this is not about a couple of poor policy launches or biased MSM stories. That would minimise what has gone on over an extended period of time. Why do I say “extended period”?
Because Labour as a political party was definitely male dominated 20 years ago. No argument there. Things have now flipped so completely that in this survey, Labour is now 60% more popular with women than with men. It’s almost, but not quite, a completely unbalanced 5:3 ratio, F:M.
And its the kind of result you might see from a political party which has deliberately decided to focus on appealing to women only.
What to do about it? Fuck knows. Many in Labour won’t even see that there’s a problem. And the disconnect with the NZ electorate will continue.
It’s also the kind of result one might see from a party that had significant support from disenfranchised folk who wanted to address capitalist privilege without giving up their own social privilege.
“address capitalist privilege without giving up their own social privilege.”
That sounds involved. How would anyone do that? Or is that the new way of saying bourgeois without sounding old-fashioned? Surely there’d be not much left of the “social” once you took away the “capitalist”?
is money really the only way you can conceive of interacting with another human being?
Nope, but you said these people were keen on doing it and presumably exist. How would they do it from within a capitalist reality? Never seen any practical long-term examples. Ever. Not communal living, nothing. It all fails inside capitalism.
No I didn’t. I merely posited another possible explanation for the demographic change CV reported, rather than assuming that the Labour Party was solely marketed at and focused towards women.
Anyway, I think a chap called Karl wrote some ditties on how to achieve a society that treats people equally rather than giving the bulk of power to rich people. Look him up, for starters.
So that’s a no then. Fair enough. I don’t know where all the covert anarchists are either. If I ever get short of condescending “left wing men” I’ll look you up, though. LOL “try reading marx” who the hell you think you’re talking to pal?
🙄
if you think that I answered “no” to your question, you need to get a dictionary.
Of course I didn’t say this was about a few biased MSM stoires, and speaking of minimising, the stories haven’t been few.
“Because Labour as a political party was definitely male dominated 20 years ago. No argument there. Things have now flipped so completely that in this survey, Labour is now 60% more popular with women than with men. It’s almost, but not quite, a completely unbalanced 5:3 ratio, F:M.”
Aren’t you conflating two things there? Male dominated (by MPs and membership positions?), and woman who might vote Labour? I haven’t seen the research, was it about Labour members, confirmed Labour voters, or women voters who prefer Labour?
We can argue theories around this, but you’re not really telling me much about what left wing men think.
No one has been interested in what “left wing men” think for a very long time. Most are too old fashioned and sexist, appallingly socially conservative for the 21st century, too busy obstructing the progress of feminism and identity politics in favour of their own narrow priorities, and clearly and desperately trying to maintain their hold over male privilege.
dude, bitching about never being asked is a bit stupid when it’s your response to actually being asked.
Mate, I wouldn’t want to be accused of man-splaining, so maybe another time.
Interestingly enough, answering a question by going off on a tangent about how that very question is never asked is about as dickish as mansplaining.
“No one has been interested in what “left wing men” think for a very long time. Most are too old fashioned and sexist, appallingly socially conservative for the 21st century, too busy obstructing the progress of feminism and identity politics in favour of their own narrow priorities, and clearly and desperately trying to maintain their hold over male privilege.”
🙄 Just remember, you said all that, not anyone else in this conversation.
Just watching the minor leaders debate…. damn, those womenz sure dominate politics, left & right!
Just watching the minor leaders debate…. damn, those womenz sure dominate politics, left & right!
Considering you have been very vocal over female issues, yes I agree with you CV, you are being a cheeky bastard. 😯
What minor party leaders debate? Was it today?
Is it available on demand or is there a link please? I would love to watch!
What’s this “we”, CV?
Speaking as a leftwing male who isn’t a self-loathing labourite, of course.
You’re clearly not one of the men who have left Labour in the polling period being considered as you’re not a Labour voter or supporter.
lol actually, I might well be a labour voter this year. They’ve been the best option in the last few survey’s I’ve responded to.
Not sure who I ticked last time.
But I might well be one of the left wing men who can recognise that all the left-wing economics and union membership possible will be slater-level hypocrisy until this society stops treating women (and other “others”) like shit.
” it’s the weaknesses in policies on fairness at work and social security, etc.”
That doesn’t make sense. They wouldn’t be running to National if that was the case.
Men overall are enjoying better conditions than women.
http://www.stats.govt.nz/Census/2013-census/profile-and-summary-reports/quickstats-about-national-highlights/income.aspx
And Votecompass (if one accepts self-selected non scientific methods) indicate that women are more concerned about social conditions, whereas men favour economic issues.
http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-news/compass-first-results-economy-top-issue-6062813
Which leads me to conclude that Weka’s suggestion is probably closer to the truth, that men are more susceptible to the mainstream propaganda. This is corroborated by the support going to National, and if economic issues were of concern for men, then surely they would understand that the economy has fared better under Labour time and time again?
I suggest the reason they don’t grasp that last fact is because they are being totally fooled by mainstream spin.
The drop in support by men, if I recall correctly, was around the start of the year when the mainstream were massively attacking Cunliffe. The ‘apology for being a man’, while clearly didn’t go down well for men (if internet conversations are anything to go by), was inflamed by the way the msm covered it. They could have clarified the meaning, but instead they chose to hype the whole thing up.
For example, I took Cunliffe’s comments over domestic violence showed he had a good grasp on the wider culture that helps to breed domestic violence, and that he was asking men to be proactive in addressing the issue – not solely focusing on women, and his apology, while perhaps clumsy, was not the big ‘all men are to blame’ thing that a lot of men, because they reacted emotionally, erroneously took it to be – and this perception was totally fueled by the media.
It would be good to see the men, who were supporting Labour and now moving to National in response to the massive propaganda we have been subjected to, learning to find ways to overcome their vulnerability to spin, is my conclusion. They need to realise they are being manipulated.
“They wouldn’t be running to National if that was the case.”
Are they? I thought they were running to NZF or just not voting. We are talking on gross generalities here though.
Yes, gross generalities, and potentially inaccurate polls! ( 🙁 )
However, yes they are according to Ipsos, which is the only data I know of that has regularly provided gender breakdowns.
I will go and have a look for that data, but last Ipsos they didn’t provide it – which was an interesting omission – and am unsure if I can access the older versions,
I don’t know how to access the older versions – it appears they are not available anymore.
They used to have a number of different polls that you could look at and compare the gender differences. I recall Labour were losing male support and National was gaining it. (I’m not saying all were going to National, but lots were)
No problem with Labour here, so lets do some victim blaming instead: men need to do better.
From my comment @ 2.56pm above:
I suggest perhaps what needs to happen is for a more assertive and focussed strategy to counter the propaganda techniques that are rife – rather than buying into the propaganda and being appeasing and accommodating toward it.
I would like to see all people in New Zealand keeping themselves informed from decent sources too, though, so they were not so very vulnerable to the misinformation that is rife. I guess that is pretty idealistic, though.
“No problem with Labour here, so lets do some victim blaming instead: men need to do better.”
Or, we could all just stop whining about our needs and let white men run the place again. See how stupid this conversation is getting? Why don’t you just say exactly what you want CV and save us a whole lot of bother.
Hey weka, the answer to the massive gender imbalance in Labour’s support clearly is: “men need to do better.” From your comments it’s not quite clear whether you mean just me personally or Kiwi males in general, but I think you probably mean both. How can I disagree.
What? Where have I said men need to do better? If the gender voter imbalance is a problem, isn’t it Labour that need to do better?
Where I the evidence that 38% of woman claim to have been sexually abused?
I can’t believe you are still on about this “evidence” Gosman when you’ve been told time and time again that reporting sexual abuse isn’t as straightforward as reporting other crimes, such as burglary, hence there isn’t a definitive statistic.
Commenters, including myself have spent far too long trying to explain this you and the difficulty around reporting.
Your inability to take on this information, to be respectful, to keep banging your “evidence” drum is hugely offensive to those of use that have been raped and abused.
Rosie, my husband is now out delivering pamhplets in Ohiaru, thanks to you passing on information about it to me on TS.
Excellent!! I’m out there too in a few minutes, doing the same … in the rain…. Oh well, firm up – there’s an election to be won, and a Dunne to send off to retirement!
Awesome Acting up! What commitment! It’s not nice out there today and a hot cuppa will be in order on your return. May your hard work and determination be rewarded with the sweetest election result ever 🙂
I’m dragging the chain a bit as I’ve spent 10 months off my feet recovering from an achillies tendon injury. Last month I was ‘discharged’ from the pain clinic I had been attending and was rearing to go. When I got my leaflets I went hard out around our neighbourhood and have stuffed up the injury again!
Thats great news anker! I did hear we had a new volunteer on board which is always such welcome news. I have lost count but I think there is around 25 “pamphleteers” now. We are getting good feedback from leaflet receivers too, some of which who were once long time Dunne supporters, but no more.
A handful of people have been upset by the content of the leaflet but this is vastly outweighed by the number of people whose response has been positive and who are planning to vote Dunne out.
2 of our billboards have been stolen which has been disappointing as so much work goes into creating them and by stealing them they are denying our right to political expression.
Hopefully the thief will get their come comeuppance on 20th September!
I also spoke to someone who is a little “apolitical” and lives in the electorate and they were happy to be better informed and have agreed to vote for Virginia.
Husband mention a running poll run by the Dom Post which had Ginny at 52% and Done (the new spelling of his name) at 20 something.
This cheered me up after the awful stuff poll!
Yes, that’s the poll I posted above:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/10458353/Two-players-vying-for-electorate-seat
I haven’t posted on fairfax for around two years (too many haters and RWer’s) but did this time. I see my comment has only just gone up and I posted it yesterday, and has been down voted by the aforementioned haters. I think National must pay people to sit around writing comments on such sites, and make sure they do fulfil their clicking on vote button duties.
Interestingly the stuff click poll has Andersen on 420 votes out of 710
Dunne on 145
If there is no evidence for it then stop using statistics that have no basis for political purposes then. I make no apologies for bringing this up every time someone attempts to do so.
The “evidence” has been supplied to you before from other commenters. Time and time again. It seems to me your issue is that you find it hard to believe that men abuse in such high numbers and that you’d rather deny there is a very serious problem.
To continue questioning, and turn rape into a numbers game is deeply insensitive. If you had any empathy or any knowledge of the problem you would know that a cold hard stat makes no difference to the victims. We KNOW how widespread the problem is.
FOG
Gosman Jenny Shipley released those stats around the time when National toughened up child abuse laws when she was the minister of health.
As a foster parent and during my time doing Social Work I have ready widely on psychology,Most Research in Psychology is from Statistics mainly gathered from censuses and large surveys shows this is not just a problem in NZ.
When you see that nearly 40% of women have at some stage in their life have had a Man sexually abuse them it changes my view on what it means to be a man !
Link to these statistics please.
Btw I have researched these claims before and the statistics are dubious at best and none I have seen are anywhere near the 38% that is being bandied around here.
I also spoke to someone who is a little “apolitical” and lives in the electorate and they were happy to be better informed and have agreed to vote for Virginia.
Husband mention a running poll run by the Dom Post which had Ginny at 52% and Done (the new spelling of his name) at 20 something.
This cheered me up after the awful stuff poll!
You can’t have done much research nearly all the Psychology books I have read have stated between 20 to30% for males and female around 35% plus with the likelihood of more because of the shame associated!
The United Nations Human Rights site claims some countries sexual abuse rates for women are as high as 46% and that figure could be higher because of underreporting!
Gosman 90% of sexual abuse is committed by men stats also show!
sorry I can’t do links on my not so smartphone!
So you know there is a problem, but merely quibble over the extent.
As if arguing the exact percentage is a reason to avoid confronting a problem in our society.
Reminds me of John Olivers recent broadcast regarding gender wage gaps in the US.
His point being – going off topic to quibble about exact percentages doesn’t change or address the initial problem.
We Are All Aboard the Pequod
Sounds about right.
Within the lifetimes of our children our world will be barren of wildlife, which will be locked into gated parks. The wilds will be gone. The myriad of species will be gone. The seas will be empty. We will be living alone on a planet of farmland and nothing more.
you heard it here first ….
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/supervisors-egged-schoolgirl-during-striptease-witness-claims-6072602
Anyone else appalled and sickened by this??? What are we doing to our young women (and men)………………..
Gosh I hadn’t even read the thread above when I posted this.
Do you dispute the statistics on women and sexual abuse Gosman??????
moral-panic on offer..?
um..!..yeah..nah…eh…?
..we currently have a corruption-panic going on..
..too busy..!
“She said the school is still trying to work out exactly what did happen.”
TVNZ: “Adults encouraged girl to strip. We have proof.”
School: “They wha… who the… when… I don’t even..?!”
LOL Your tax dollars at work.
private school st cuthberts .. fyi
still yr ‘tax dollars at work’..
..but hard to ‘blame’ the school..really..
..(moral-panic: sub-thread..)
What! PU @ 12.2.1.1
They employed the supervisors! They have some culpability.
This is not about morality, this is about the sexualisation of our children.
no it’s not..
..it’s about a rebellious teenager acting out/seeking attention…..
..so what else is new..?
It’s about the encouraged, ritualised, supervised sexualisation of children, so yes, it really is about the school.
First person I’ve seen call this incident ‘rebellious acting out by an attention seeking teen’, completely ignoring the facts behind the story.
Blame the victim much?
get a grip..!..much..?
I’ve seen how you’ve ‘hunted’ and taunted female commentators on ts, demanding they answer your questions etc… etc… Using misogynist language, insults and intimidatory methods, So I’m not shocked by your nonchalant dismissal over the school’s blatant sexualisation of it’s pupils, but still surprised you’d be so ‘open’ about it.
I guess with little checks, sometimes you get very little balance in return.
Anker,
Gosman is the shameless face of NatZ. like his ilk.
BM I can never take seriously. Anyone with medical background can tell you what a BM is.
Anyone with a digestive tract can tell you what a BM is.
🙂
Mr Bristol. S. Management Esq.
Bristol? I’d class BM as Bristol 6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_stool_scale
“..A new study of over 600 couples shows more frequent marijuana use –
– means less frequent violence.
The use of alcohol significantly increases one’s likelihood of becoming either a perpetrator or a victim of a violent act –
– including acts of intimate partner violence.
As for cannabis use – that’s a different story..”
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/pot-smokers-are-less-likely-commit-domestic-violence
More pot propaganda not all your information is true from what I have encountered its the next day after the dope has gone the shit hits the fan grumpiness sets in and then violent abusive behaviour towards partners and children the children run way from home!
the children’s undeveloped brains are effected by the dope that the parents leave lying around after a session.Which the children being inquisitive steal and smoke!
Get real Phillip no drug is as good as you are trying to picture!
The number of homeless street kids I have worked with over the years and the stories they have told makes your excuses and Denials a joke !
mmm..!..what to believe..?
tricles’ hysterical anti-pot anecdotes..?
..or a scientific-study..backed up by other scientific-studies..?
..i think i’ll go with ‘b’…
I note that Labour have now advised there will be a “period of grace” during which to sell the family home of of a deceased estate. But this period needs to take into consideration the varying times it takes to sell properties in different parts of NZ. While a house in Auckland could sell in a matter of weeks, ones in rural towns like Tokoroa may take a year or more. A fair method would be for the Labour lead government to offer to buy those houses, at current market value, for those who are having difficulty in selling them within the timeframe.
It would be an option, to sell a policy, but not in any way “fair”. Fair suggests some sort of moral consideration/justification. People know damn well what they’re doing. There is no excuse of they didn’t know, didn’t see it coming, weren’t warned etc etc. It gets into “the art of talking about ethics only in an attempt to justify the unethical”.
I gather from your comment that you object to my comment of a “fair method”. I fail to see how focusing on unfair practice that disadvantages one sector of the population is “talking about ethics only in an attempt to justify the unethical”.
urf. Should I bother?
“unfair practice that disadvantages one sector of the population ”
“government to offer to buy those houses”
Talking about ethics purely to justify the unethical.
It would be unethical to disadvantage home owners in rural towns by insisting on a short timeframe in which to sell the house when even homes that are under mortgage foreclosure sales are not selling. Often fairness needs to consider individual situations and not try and make one size to fit all. Otherwise the outcome is unfair.
Labour aren’t insisting on a short time frame. Rather, the rules around CGT are open for discussion post election and the policy is to set up a working group to decide what works best. And that will not be ‘one size fits all’. As with your question yesterday, I detect a bucolic whiff of straw in your contribution, halcyon.
careful..!..you’ll be getting dizzy there..!..trp..!
..the fact of the matter is that saying the offspring of deceased parents had a one month window of opportunity to sell their parents home..before incurring c.g.t..
..must make the shortlist for brain-fade-of-the-election-campaign award..?
.you’d think..?
Don’t be to quick to defend Te Reo. Apart from three occasions in the last 60 years I have voted Labour. ( That makes 17 votes for Labour). My concerns are genuine. I just don’t vote for a party because I am a member. I need to be assured that the Party I vote for has the best policies.
I understood the period of grace, which was always in the policy, is two years.
Even two years may not suffice. Because of redundancy we located to another town to obtain work. We put the family home on the market for less than government valuation. Three years later it did not sell.
A better way forward would be going back to the old Labour policy of a Joint Family Home. When one purchased a family home it was registered as such. One could only own one JFH. Any other houses bought were considered investment.
Perhaps you should have dropped the price.
karol 15.2
5 September 2014 at 8:55 am
I understood the period of grace, which was always in the policy, is two years.
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Clearly those Labour politicians who spoke on this topic in recent days did not understand this, or they havent read their own policy.
That messup aside, the inheritors only get charged on the capital gain from a month after the death and theres pretty much no chance of capital gains when a house hasnt sold in three years despite being advertised at under the ratable value.
You might understand that Karol but Cunliffe doesn’t if he can come out with a claim like a month.
Given he dreams of being PM, and says that he developed the policy I think we might be wiser to believe he means what he says rather than take your rather rosier view.
Unless of course you were something like the leader of the Green Party who seem to be rapidly catching up on the position of being the largest party in the opposition.
But ownership of the home will legally still be with the deceased until the time it is sold? at which time funds from the sale go to the executor of the trust, and won’t be dispersed to the benificiaries of the will until the will is executed.
So I suspect this is a non-issue.
Its called probate. No childcan sell a parents home until probate is granted which usually takes weeks or months. Cunliffe looks foolish
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I wish KDC would have just shut up and left politics to Hone and Laila. No other party has their principal backer on stage , they usually prefer anonymity.
Laila and Hone are professionals and the public face of IMP should be left to them.
KDC needs to have a high profile to demonstrate what a great guy he is. It is an attempt to prevent his extradition to the States. I am glad David Cunliffe has make it clear that Labour will not interfere in the judicial process. However, do you think David has the strength to stand up to the other parties in government how support KDC? David’s decision on this matter could see the fall of Labour.
National will have to rely on the Maori Party with Tama Iti!
Are you seriously suggesting that you expect the Maori Party to get 6% or more of the party vote?
That is, of course, the only way that Tame Iti is going to get into Parliament. He is, after all number 7 on their list and isn’t standing in an electorate.
“Speaking in the home he built himself in Ruatoki, Iti said he had always supported the Maori Party and had decided to stand to boost the party’s support and because he endorsed the work it had done in government.
“Not very long ago I wouldn’t have thought about it but I see there’s more achievement…with National in terms of the treaty settlements so we have come a long way,” he said.
Not a problem it seems.
That makes National more attractive. I would rather have Tama in parliament than a political party associated with Dotcom. At least Tama is focused on Maori issues and not trying to protect his own skin.
+1 he’s at it again taking a dig at Cameron Slater Kim Dismal Critic!
Slater will drown in his own Toxic pit!
Dump Dot Comical is bringing the whole Left down!
Money won’t buy you the love of the people of NZ!
Ffs when you have only 2to3% of the people liking your Party and Policy you don’t keep making revenge attacks hows that worked !
Key goes up in popularity everytime Kim dumb as opens his mouth !
When Dot Com has his big day it will be a disaster Key will shrug his shoulders say its a left wing conspiracy and move on!
What a surprise, not
I agree that his exposure should be significantly cut down, but I don’t think it can be completely eliminated because he does have cachet and profile with a certain young crowd.
At least people know who is funding Imp…
Who truly, really is funding the Cray Cray Con Party?! Hmm!
WD2 is up and about.
And looking forward to the weekend?
The Fairfax poll has 13% undecided while the Morgan poll has only 3%. Swordfish explained the consistently lower undecided response in the Morgan poll as being because they a pushier in getting a preference from people who are undecided. Of course that 13% may not vote, but I am hoping the low undecided percentage makes the Morgan more reliable.
I think John Key got a boost with some voters by sacking Collins. Unfortunately people who haven’t read Hager’s book think the only problem was Judith Collins, and the unfortunately the MSM are doing a very poor job of exposing the evidence of the serious level of corruption that has grown under this government. Even with Judith Collins the print edition of the Herald made much of her claims the facebook entries were fake, but did not follow up with the David Fisher article online yesterday that provided verification of her correspondence with Slater.
Agreed the media are not serving the public well.
The net effect is pretty bad for a change of government this time.
If only righteousness won elections.
If only righteousness won elections………then Colin Craig would be your new PM 🙂
Really? Can you point me to his admonishments of national over DP?
How many people don’t answer the pollster?
Archbishop John Dew : Outrage over dirty tricks healthy
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11319165
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lprent or in fact anyone out there.When will they stop polling,before the election.ta
sorry for the bad gramma,i’m dyslectic.It takes me forever to compile a comment sometimes.
Sean Plunket’s interview of Kim Dotcom convinced me to step out during lunchtime to vote against the John Key’s mouthpiece on RadioLive today:
http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Kim-Dotcom-takes-his-right-of-reply-calls-Sean-Plunket/tabid/506/articleID/53947/Default.aspx
Poor KDC. Get’s owned and you cry about it. So hypocritical from KDC.
Speaking about getting pwned – let’s see where we go with l9-Photocopier@parliament.govt.nz.
[lprent: It pays not to speak of getting pwned/owned. I tend to get quite nitpicky about that (it invariably leads to dumb flamewars) ]
goes to an email address ? is that what you intended joe90 ? not something from our friend who is on holiday leave ?
It’s the sender for a lot of emails in the dumps…
“Scan-to-email” and all that
thx Zorr .. I knew that ;smile; just wondering why joe posted it. guess there are folks who haven’t seen them yet … and maybe, so far, it is the only direct link to Ede.
http://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-sockpuppet-is-trying-to-muzzle-press/#comment-880483
“..If you really care about climate change – you’ll stop eating burgers..
..If we don’t alter the way we eat and farm –
– the food industry will cause an environmental disaster..”
(cont..)
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/if-you-really-care-about-climate-change-youll-stop-eating-burgers-9711682.html
https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/24906795/key-attacks-primary-teachers-union/
There are 50,000 members of the NZEI, 93% of whom oppose government policy on the “expert teachers” plan, and John Key uses an announcement for funding of special needs kids to attack them.
John Key is a c**t of a man.
The strange thing is that Special Needs Education has been seriously underfunded for 6 long years. It has been cut. So why just before an election would they have a change of heart? I wonder why!
And has anyone questioned Key on the detail? Bet not.
Seeing tweet that NBR’s Chris Keall reckons that Slater lost with eforts to gaga media.
Yep. Thank goodness our courts and our jurists still have some integrity.
Hooray!
Herald: “Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater. Photo / Doug Sherring Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater. Photo / Doug Sherring
The High Court has temporarily gagged the hacker who has years of Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater’s explosive communications with high-profile figures.
The blogger – who was not at the High Court in Auckland today – was successful in placing an interim injunction against the hacker known as Rawshark from any further publication of his emails and social-media conversations.
However, Justice John Fogarty said the media were still allowed to discuss material already leaked and publish information already in their hands.”
Cunning of the Rawshark to have already given remaining emails to journalists. They can still use them.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11319673
dunne..
“..we never set out to be spectacular..’
in response to why hasn’t he grown his party vote..?
..utterly..brilliant..!
Is John Key appropriating the NZRU to do his political campaign bidding?
Heard on the wireless the Samoa Rugby Union has a press conference tomorrow and the rumour is that for for the first time ever the All Black will play a test in Apia in July next year.
Question is again: Has John Key used the NZRU as a vehicle to gain the Samoan vote for this election?
Old news – this was announced about 3 months ago. Firm date was the only info left to announce.
The Guardian is speculating that a poll this weekend will show a lead for the Yes vote in Scotland. They’re reporting that Labour is scrambling to dampen enthusiasm amongst their supporters for independence in the wake of a lacklustre performance by Miliband and other senior Labour leaders on the issue.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/04/scottish-referendum-borwn-prescott-rally-labour-voters
Cool!
Should the Yes vote win, I shall do my bit and start drinking Scotch Whiskey to support their economy.
I kinda hope Scotland stays….
Slashing corporate and top personal tax rates (which Salmond plans to do), doesnt exactly sound like a socialist state — I think we may get Poland, not Norway..
Those hoping for independence for Scotland need to think carefully. The Scottish National Party and Ales Salmond have always right wing, and the North Sea oil that they are depending on for income is unlikely to last for much longer. Scotland already has independence in health and education.
If independence were to happen then Scotland would likely get a Labour leadership, but unfortunately the rest of the UK would be Tory for ever more, as a large number of labour MPs in the House of Commons currently are from Scotland.
In which case I think you’d find that the remainder of the UK would adjust.
Plus maybe the votes are gerrymandered?
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On Tuesday night David Cunliffe didn’t know the details of his party’s Capital Gains Tax which has been party policy since the last election.
Meanwhile Bill English is said to be considering announcing tax cuts next week even though the Government’s Pre Election Fiscal Update last month offered only one scenario in which total tax revenue would increase over the next four years and that was dependent on a strengthening of the US economy.
But Labour is also being criticised for its plans to increase taxation to 36$ on incomes over $150,000 even though that is a 3% drop on its 2011 policy.
Tax is the big issues for the two Economic Spokespeople — but there are also real questions about what’s going to happen in the economy over the next three years.
This week global dairy trade auction prices fell by 6% to their lowest level since 2012. Fonterra has dropped its payout forecast for the current season from $7kg to $6kg for milk solids.
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Plainly this could have implications for Treasury forecasts of falling unemployment over the enxt foru years.
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Nice article from puddleglum disecting a Sunday Star Times article from 2009 on one Cameron Slater.
Back then he was quite happy for this to be written about him:
“Similarly, the site has grown into an instrument of attack on the party’s opponents. Pooling resources with friend and fellow insider David Farrar, who conducts National’s polling and runs the much larger Kiwiblog, Slater has identified the “cocktail party spy”, Kees Keizer, and dug up research papers intended to embarrass Labour’s new Mt Albert MP.”
And,
“When it came to pursuing political targets, the party apparatus would not officially feed him tips, or otherwise instruct him to do its bidding. “But somebody might ring me up [of their own volition] and say `check this out’.””
Ah, they were simplier times. When Slater was happy to be portrayed as a National party insider receiving tips from them to use on his website which is an instrument of attacks on the Labour party. Along with National party insider and National party employee David Farrar.