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	<title>Comments on: Open mike 08/12/2009</title>
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		<title>By: the pinkpostman</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177199</link>
		<dc:creator>the pinkpostman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with the recent news regarding the so called smacking bill perhaps the religious nutters will now return to their howling and wailing and leave the running of the country to the elected parliament.
Surely even  fanatics like the Family Fist will now see the light.;
What is so sad about the whole protest is the enormous amounts of money these people have spent to justify bashing their kids could have housed and cared for a great many underpriviledged children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with the recent news regarding the so called smacking bill perhaps the religious nutters will now return to their howling and wailing and leave the running of the country to the elected parliament.<br />
Surely even  fanatics like the Family Fist will now see the light.;<br />
What is so sad about the whole protest is the enormous amounts of money these people have spent to justify bashing their kids could have housed and cared for a great many underpriviledged children.</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177191</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we definitely need a post on michael laws&#039; latest trip to crazy town. Just when you thought he couldn&#039;t get any nuttier. does anyone know if he has a degenerative mental illness?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3012655/Sterilise-underclass-to-stop-child-abuse-Michael-Laws</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we definitely need a post on michael laws&#8217; latest trip to crazy town. Just when you thought he couldn&#8217;t get any nuttier. does anyone know if he has a degenerative mental illness?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3012655/Sterilise-underclass-to-stop-child-abuse-Michael-Laws" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3012655/Sterilise-underclass-to-stop-child-abuse-Michael-Laws</a></p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177183</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you find that unbelievable? He&#039;s been doing it all year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you find that unbelievable? He&#8217;s been doing it all year.</p>
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		<title>By: gobsmacked</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177163</link>
		<dc:creator>gobsmacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable.

Pete Hodgson has a Question for John Key about Bill English ... and so Key runs out of the House, leaving Gerry Brownlee to flounder on his behalf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable.</p>
<p>Pete Hodgson has a Question for John Key about Bill English &#8230; and so Key runs out of the House, leaving Gerry Brownlee to flounder on his behalf.</p>
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		<title>By: gobsmacked</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177150</link>
		<dc:creator>gobsmacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Key has just lied to - oops sorry, &quot;inadvertently&quot; misled - Parliament. He denied that his office leaked the Brash report to the media.

So naturally he will be challenged on this and held to account by the media ... no, just kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Key has just lied to &#8211; oops sorry, &#8220;inadvertently&#8221; misled &#8211; Parliament. He denied that his office leaked the Brash report to the media.</p>
<p>So naturally he will be challenged on this and held to account by the media &#8230; no, just kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: r0b</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177149</link>
		<dc:creator>r0b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gonna try it - ta!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna try it &#8211; ta!</p>
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		<title>By: grumpy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177147</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously though, where have all the Kiwi dairy farmers gone?

You wouldn&#039;t get them within a million miles of a battery cow farm.

It must be embarrasing for Federated Farmers to have to defend these guys - they aren&#039;t really farmers - just factory operators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously though, where have all the Kiwi dairy farmers gone?</p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t get them within a million miles of a battery cow farm.</p>
<p>It must be embarrasing for Federated Farmers to have to defend these guys &#8211; they aren&#8217;t really farmers &#8211; just factory operators.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177143</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LP I think you&#039;re on dangerous ground suggesting the Police should target people who take legitimately held political positions.

On the smacking debate I didn&#039;t think the initial legislation was necessary, but I don&#039;t think changing the law back to where it was is necessary either.  Personally I think the whole debate is quite pointless and well wide of the important issues that politicians should be concerned about.  It concerns me that the debate has been hijacked by people on the fringe on both sides and it has been a distraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LP I think you&#8217;re on dangerous ground suggesting the Police should target people who take legitimately held political positions.</p>
<p>On the smacking debate I didn&#8217;t think the initial legislation was necessary, but I don&#8217;t think changing the law back to where it was is necessary either.  Personally I think the whole debate is quite pointless and well wide of the important issues that politicians should be concerned about.  It concerns me that the debate has been hijacked by people on the fringe on both sides and it has been a distraction.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177136</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TE: A point on which we absolutely agree. However I think that the police should also keep an eye on some of the people who have gotten prominent on the &#039;anti-smacking&#039; side during the s59a debate. Some of them scare me. They managed to shift my position from not supporting the repeal (on the basis that it wasn&#039;t required) to supporting it (because some peoples attitudes indicated that we needed to remove that defense).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TE: A point on which we absolutely agree. However I think that the police should also keep an eye on some of the people who have gotten prominent on the &#8216;anti-smacking&#8217; side during the s59a debate. Some of them scare me. They managed to shift my position from not supporting the repeal (on the basis that it wasn&#8217;t required) to supporting it (because some peoples attitudes indicated that we needed to remove that defense).</p>
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		<title>By: bill brown</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177127</link>
		<dc:creator>bill brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know - why do I hear you with a pommie accent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know &#8211; why do I hear you with a pommie accent?</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177123</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you add cocoa and dried cranberries to the edmonds cookbook carrot cake recipe, it makes an excellent xmas cake for people that don&#039;t like heavy fruit cakes, marzipan and royal icing. (putting some orange zest in the cream cheese icing doesn&#039;t suck either).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you add cocoa and dried cranberries to the edmonds cookbook carrot cake recipe, it makes an excellent xmas cake for people that don&#8217;t like heavy fruit cakes, marzipan and royal icing. (putting some orange zest in the cream cheese icing doesn&#8217;t suck either).</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177120</link>
		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good tip, need tea and scones etc. comfort food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good tip, need tea and scones etc. comfort food.</p>
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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177117</link>
		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much. Research has shown that those people most likely to cheat, steal and lie if it benefits them are business people and economists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much. Research has shown that those people most likely to cheat, steal and lie if it benefits them are business people and economists.</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177116</link>
		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip I need tea and scones after the rice bran item.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip I need tea and scones after the rice bran item.</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08122009/comment-page-1/#comment-177112</link>
		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troubled Tim - the problem is you take up so much space with your comments that you say I shouldn&#039;t read and that I don&#039;t want to read actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troubled Tim &#8211; the problem is you take up so much space with your comments that you say I shouldn&#8217;t read and that I don&#8217;t want to read actually.</p>
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