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Open mike 15/06/2013

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111 comments on “Open mike 15/06/2013”

  1. Alanz 1

    Oh dear . . . – – – . . .


    Calling Grant Robertson . . . – – – . . .
    S O S . . . – – – . . .
    Time for regime change . . . – – – . . .
    S O S . . . – – – . . .

    • Saarbo 1.1

      “He said he did not know his colleagues were being hosted by SkyCity until he got there. ”

      Quote from David Shearer in Dom Post.

      Is this believable?


      Last sentence.

      • Te Reo Putake 1.1.1

        Is this believable?


        • Saarbo

          Surely this sort of thing is discussed within Caucus, if it isn’t then it needs to be. The Sky City Deal is one of the major areas that Labour can really take it to National in 2014 (they probably still can), and given its importance I would have expected this group of four to have discussed it with their Leader. Would Helen have known?

          and another article:

          “David Shearer’s February reshuffle of his shadow Cabinet has, however, so far failed to create any sense of urgency that might suggest the party actually wants to govern.”


          From National’s No 1 PR person…John Armstrong. But it has some truth to it.

          I really feel for Tim Barnett, he has his work cut out the way the Labour caucus operates. Something is really missing, even you can’t deny that Te Reo.

          • karol

            On The Panel yesterday on RNZ, Chris Trotter made the point that Helen Clark would have been proactive on such an issue, foreseen the possible PR ramifications in advance and strongly warned her MPs against accepting such hospitality.

            • Morrissey

              Chris Trotter is a fool. If he had a sense of humour, it might help. Unfortunately, putting on faux-Mexican voices and mocking political dissenters is not humorous….

              Well, maybe someone like Populuxe1 might laugh, and certainly that empty vessel Lisa Scott whinnied her assent. Jim Mora probably thought it was not funny, but being the diligent host he is, laughed dutifully and even encouraged the gang bang.

              • Te Reo Putake

                Moz, I thought it was mocking a cowardly accused rapist, not a political dissenter. Still, great that you know what goes on in Mora’s head, a career as a tv medium awaits you. You could style yourself the Host Whisperer.

                Funnily enough, I was really impressed with Trotter’s contribution yesterday, particular the discussion around the Captain Cook pub. It’s a brave political commentator who’ll sing on live radio, but he did a fine job of it.

                • Morrissey

                  Moz, I thought it was mocking a cowardly accused rapist

                  Accused by whom? Certainly not by the two young women who were threatened and cajoled into going along with this utterly discredited attempt to lynch him. Certainly not by the women in Rape Crisis, who recognize a bogus rape claim when they see one. Certainly not by any of the world’s best journalists. Certainly not by anyone who has any knowledge of this case and is honest.

                  … not a political dissenter.

                  Ahhhh, so Julian Assange is NOT a political dissenter. Thanks for that. Is that choice piece of intelligence from the same book that says David Shearer IS doing a great job? (I note that you have been trying to fly that dead turkey a lot as well, recently.)

                  Still, great that you know what goes on in Mora’s head,

                  I am sure that Mora was thinking: Oh, my God, this pompous and unfunny twerp is a PRAT. But of course, as the jolly mein host of this party in Hell, he has to humour, even encourage, such prattery.

                  a career as a tv medium awaits you.

                  Sayyyy, I L-L-L-LIKE the sound of that.

                  You could style yourself the Host Whisperer.

                  Trouble is, the only thing I would whisper would be: “Time to retire, Jim/Larry (can I call you “Lackwit”?)/Leighton/Danny/Murray/Veitchy/Kerre/Jesse/Simon/Geoff…

                  Funnily enough, I was really impressed with Trotter’s contribution yesterday, particular the discussion around the Captain Cook pub.

                  It’s a brave political commentator who’ll sing on live radio, but he did a fine job of it.

                  If you like your melodies unmemorable, your singing flat and your guitar-playing about the proficiency of Sid Vicious as he’s coming down from a heroin jag, Chris Trotter is the man for you. If he had the talent, he might be one day as good as THIS BLOKE….

                  • McFlock

                    And now for a word from the real world…

                    • Morrissey

                      And now for a word from the real world…

                      No, I’m sorry, my friend, but gnomish utterances ain’t gonna get it done for you.

                    • McFlock

                      I’m not your friend, buddeh!

                    • Morrissey

                      I’m not your friend, buddeh!

                      I’ve been called some choice things in my time, but having the title “Buddah” bestowed on me is taking things to a new level, I have to say.


                      Imagine the joy!

                    • McFlock

                      Well, now we know three things about Morrissey.

                      1: he doesn’t watch South Park; and
                      2: he sees no difference between “A” and “E”; and
                      3: he can’t spell “Buddha”.

                    • Morrissey

                      Well, now we know three things about Morrissey.

                      1: he doesn’t watch South Park; and

                      I do, actually. In fact, one of the unkinder souls on this forum recently compared me to Cartman.

                      2: he sees no difference between “A” and “E”; and
                      3: he can’t spell “Buddha”.

                      In fact, I can even spell it in Japanese….

                    • McFlock

                      Cartman? Nah.

                    • Populuxe1

                      Rape Culture at work…

                  • weka

                    “Certainly not by the women in Rape Crisis, who recognize a bogus rape claim when they see one.”

                    Morrissey, I assume you are talking about the group Women Against Rape. They have never said that the rape allegation was bogus, and it does your cause great disservice to keep insinuating that they did. Please stop.

                    Here is (part of) what they actually said –

                    Justice for an accused rapist does not deny justice for his accusers. But in this case justice is being denied both to accusers and accused.

                    The judicial process has been corrupted. On the one hand, the names of the women have been circulated on the internet; they have been trashed, accused of setting a “honey trap”, and seen their allegations dismissed as “not real rape”. On the other hand, Assange is dealt with by much of the media as if he were guilty, though he has not even been charged. It is not for us to decide whether or not the allegations are true and whether what happened amounts to rape or sexual violence – we don’t have all the facts and what has been said so far has not been tested. But we do know that rape victims’ right to anonymity and defendants’ right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty are both crucial to a just judicial process.

                    Swedish and British courts are responsible for how the women’s allegations have been handled. As with every rape case, the women are not in charge of the case, the state is.


                    • Morrissey

                      Morrissey, I assume you are talking about the group Women Against Rape.

                      weka, thanks for tidying up my careless error—it was indeed Women Against Rape that, as with every other independent and non-partisan organization, pointed out the spuriousness of these allegations.

                      They have never said that the rape allegation was bogus, and it does your cause great disservice to keep insinuating that they did.

                      You are correct that the Women Against Rape organization did not use my blunt and undiplomatic language, but the meaning of their statement is perfectly clear: there is not, and never was, any merit to those charges against Julian Assange.

                      Please stop.

                      Fair enough: I did rather roughly paraphrase Women Against Rape’s condemnation of this witch-hunt.

                    • Populuxe1


                      “You are correct that the Women Against Rape organization did not use my blunt and undiplomatic language, but the meaning of their statement is perfectly clear: there is not, and never was, any merit to those charges against Julian Assange.”

                      It does no such thing – they have quite clearly indicated that both sides have been denied the justice of a trial. The confirmation bias is strong with this one, oy vey.

                      Why is it so hard for you to manage Assange as advocate for freedom of information and Assange as smug misogynist prick simultaneously? The two aren’t related.

                    • Morrissey

                      It does no such thing – they have quite clearly indicated that both sides have been denied the justice of a trial. The confirmation bias is strong with this one, oy vey.

                      “Confirmation bias”? What nonsense. Women Against Rape in Sweden issued many statements condemning this witch-hunt, pointing out that it possibly endangers the credibility of real rape charges in future.

                      Why is it so hard for you to manage Assange as advocate for freedom of information and Assange as smug misogynist prick simultaneously?

                      There is no evidence he is misogynist. I note your use of the word “smug” as a replacement for “handsome”.

                      The two aren’t related.

                      Good. You’ve said something that makes sense.

                      That is encouraging.

              • Pasupial

                @ Morrissey

                Chris Trotter is no fool. I not infrequently disagree with his conclusions myself (and his recent comparison of Dunne with Merlin was a bit bizarre), but he can express himself cogently. Plus his knowledge of the Kiwi Left’s history is far more extensive than my own (certainly greater than Shearer’s, and he’s supposed to be its leader).

                The problem might be in hearing him on the Mora show where he strives to be less confrontational lest he be banned like Bomber (I don’t tune in often myself). His blogs on The Daily Blog often come at things from angles I’d not previously considered. He had some interesting things to say on Citizen A this week (and no faux-Mexican voices). Link: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/06/13/citizen-a-martyn-bradbury-chris-trotter-david-slack-on-dunne-prism-gi-evictions/


                I tend to stay out of the Assange argument; people have their opinions and nothing I type is likely to change them. Though I do admire WikiLeaks itself, and leakers such as Manning. However, I would say that Assange can be both; a “political dissenter”, and; accused of unlawful sexual contact by non-use of condoms in Sweden (which is a fair way from the usual definition of; “rapist”): The two things are not mutually exclusive.

                Also, if I thought the USA was keen to extradite me into one of its torture hell-holes for; an extended interrogation followed by a show trial, then I’d be holed up in whatever safe haven I could find myself! That’s more prudence than cowardice.

                • Morrissey

                  Chris Trotter is no fool.

                  He certainly acted like a fool yesterday. But you’re right no doubt; the problem is not a lack of intellect, it’s a lack of integrity.

                  I not infrequently disagree with his conclusions myself (and his recent comparison of Dunne with Merlin was a bit bizarre), but he can express himself cogently.

                  “Haw haw haw haw haw! Give him a sun lamp!” is cogent, I guess. Unwittingly cogent, but a cogent demonstration of Trotter’s morality, as well as his dull sense of humour.

                  Plus his knowledge of the Kiwi Left’s history is far more extensive than my own (certainly greater than Shearer’s, and he’s supposed to be its leader).

                  Barry Gustafson and Michael Bassett also have an extensive knowledge of the Kiwi Left’s history. Just knowing things is one thing; having the courage to act morally is another.

                  The problem might be in hearing him on the Mora show where he strives to be less confrontational lest he be banned like Bomber.

                  Nobody expects him to be confrontational, certainly not as confrontational as Bomber. Trotter could simply have made the point that Assange is being persecuted and that his being forced to stay in the Ecuadorian Embassy is a grave violation of human rights. It is not a trivial or laughing matter, as those guffawing in that studio seemed to believe.

                  Also, if I thought the USA was keen to extradite me into one of its torture hell-holes for; an extended interrogation followed by a show trial, then I’d be holed up in whatever safe haven I could find myself! That’s more prudence than cowardice.

                  The only cowardice here was on the part of Chris Trotter, who apparently lacks the gumption to stand up and speak out against evil.

                  Your points are well made, Pasupial, and your moniker is intriguing.

          • Te Reo Putake

            I’m not denying there is a problem, Saarbo, just that Shearer doesn’t seem to be the kind to lie. Weak, bumbling and ineffective, yes, but mendacious, no.

            Shearer is in an awful position. He doesn’t enjoy the support of the majority of his caucus (nobody else does either), he has many caucus members who clearly don’t give a flying one about the Labour party, it’s members or its values and he is likely to scrape in as winner of the next election when he should be enjoying Lange era leads in the polls.

            I admire his determination to go on though, despite all the factors ranged against him. It takes a special kind of guy to be that lacking in competence, gravitas and authority and still retain the belief that he is the best option for leadership.

            • mickysavage

              Do I sense a changed opinion TRP?

              • Te Reo Putake

                No, not really, micky. Just a sense of despair that we are saddled with a dozen or so self serving egotists when we need more MP’s who put the party and the people first.

                • Colonial Viper

                  You’ve got a good political instinct mate and have taught me a lot about Labour politics, but am also glad that you do see some of the same issues as I do, and how they are painfully playing out. The nation needs better.

                  • Te Reo Putake

                    Cheers, CV. In the long run, we will get our party back. Just wish it was sooner. Anyhoo, footy beckons. Catch ya later.

            • felix

              “when he should be enjoying Lange era leads in the polls.”

              There’s no “should” about it TRP. If he were better at his job he “would” be leading in the polls. He’s not, because nobody believes he’s good at his job.

              And no, it’s not because the caucus aren’t very good at being led. That’s desperate mate.

              “It takes a special kind of guy to be that lacking in competence, gravitas and authority and still retain the belief that he is the best option for leadership.”

              Not at all. The world is full of deluded, incompetent egomaniacs. Could have picked any of a number of them to lead Labour but no, they had to especially import this one and gift him a seat ‘cos he’s just so frickin awesome.

              • Te Reo Putake

                “And no, it’s not because the caucus aren’t very good at being led. That’s desperate mate.”

                Not actually what I said, but correct none the less. Most of these MP’s toed the line under Clark becuase she was better than them and they knew it. No so much under Goff and nothing close to respect under Shearer. There is nothing Shearer can do to them and they know it. And they will treat the party with contempt as well, for the same reason.

              • Colonial Viper

                The irony being that Shearer would have made an excellent Cabinet Minister and could have taken the path of building his reputation and political credentials up over time.

                • Whafe

                  CV – is there any agreement within your supporters here of whom could actually begin to have the leadership skills of which will need a very talented individual to take on the leadership of the Labour Party?

                  Not a trick question at all.

                  It is a given, NZ needs a strong opposition, at present we have nothing close to an opposition…. It is a party made up of factions, within factions of factions of factions…

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Well, I can’t speak for anyone else but I am on record as being a Cunliffe supporter. At this stage going into 2014 I don’t particularly think it’s important that Cunliffe even be in a top 3 position, but he needs to be on the Front Bench and be given leeway to open up on the National Government, at will.

                    Now who knows if the following can work together on a personal basis but for gawds sakes they are supposed to be professionals so they should; I think that the top 5 or 6 need to work as a public facing leadership fire team scoring real political points and educating the public and the media, and in no particular order I would probably have:

                    - Robertson
                    - Cunliffe
                    - Wall
                    - Goff
                    - Little
                    - Adern

                    And if Helen Kelly were available…

                    something old something new something borrowed something blue :P

                    • felix

                      Who’s the “blue”? ;)

                      As for who should be leading the party? It’s tempting to say “anyone but Shearer”, but basing choosing a leader on the basis that they’re “anyone but” someone else would be fucking retarded and look where it got Labour last time.

                      I do however remain of the opinion that there is no-one in the Labour caucus who could do a worse job than Shearer.

                    • Rogue Trooper

                      something fair something true 8-)

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      I do however remain of the opinion that there is no-one in the Labour caucus who could do a worse job than Shearer.

                      I’d disagree with that. I think there are a lot of people in Labour’s caucus that could do significant damage if they were leader. It’s the ones doing damage without being leader.

                    • Whafe

                      You mention that they should be able to work together. They are professionals.

                      In all honesty, the vast majority of the issue is that they just can’t work together. Please do tell and show me that they can in fact work together..

                      If Cunliffe was leader, there is no way that Robertson could work with him…

                      Helen Kelly Felix, could do a far worse job than Shearer, and thats being polite.

                      Someone within the running of Labour needs to bang some heads together and teach if it is possible that the team MUST work together, because it is quite the opposite…

                      You are all to involved to actually make the tough calls…. You cant tell me the hypocrisy of the last weeks antics are what you all believe in?

                    • Rhinocrates

                      While I despise a couple of those – Robertson for being a gray apparatchik, Goff more seriously for being profoundly anti-democratic, I do appreciate their limited competence, provided that they don’t get too much influence.

                      I’ve met Helen Kelly, she helped me in a labour dispute, so yeah, whenever, wherever would be good. She’s a strong advocate (Hoots’ hissy fit and personal slur proves that).

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Rhino – it’s no democratic socialist dream team as you correctly imply, but you have also seen to the truth that it is a Labour team which would incinerate National’s chances on E-Day into little smouldering cinders.

                    • felix

                      Whafe, couple of things.

                      1. Any team will work well together when led well. Not the other way around.

                      2. You know nothing about Helen Kelly.

                      3. I’m not involved at all, thanks.

                      4. What hypocrisy? Aren’t Labour allowed to vote freely on legislation anymore?

                      5. You should be questioning National’s corruption and conflict of interest in this matter. They’re accepting gifts and favours from a company in who’s favour they are are passing laws.

                    • David H

                      But they will probably just keep on the same ol’ same ol’, and flush any chance of winning straight down the crapper just to keep Cunliffe off of the front bench.

                • Anne

                  The irony being that Shearer would have made an excellent Cabinet Minister and could have taken the path of building his reputation and political credentials up over time.

                  Got it in one CV. But the small bunch of self serving egotists had another agenda – one that had little to do with taking NZ to a better place, or respecting members and supporters. Indeed, they were doing David Shearer no favours by pushing him up to the top of the ladder before he had acquired the necessary political knowledge and experience. But of course that also goes back to that other agenda?

                  • Which agenda was that Anne?

                    The internal one or the external one?

                    • Anne

                      Until more recent times, I thought there was only an internal agenda mickysavage. That is, a contest for the top political jobs and the power trappings that go with them. But revelations over the past 8 months or so – and the past week or two in particular – strongly suggest there was an external component to that agenda as well. Am I not the only one who has suspicions…?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      “Gotta keep the power out of the hands of the looney lefties, communists and democratic socialists…” that’s a Labour faction line that right wing writers will happily listen to.

                    • Rogue Trooper


                    • Anne

                      @ mickysavage
                      Thanks for a timely reminder of an important Fran O’Sullivan link – more important than she would have known at the time.

                      When Lange rolled Bill Rowling he catapulted the infamous “fish and chip plotters” Sir Roger Douglas, Richard Prebble and Mike Moore to very senior roles, Lange reaffirmed his desire to be surrounded by politicians who were “surging in debate” and “active in the cause”.

                      And who exactly were Sir Roger Douglas, Richard Prebble and Mike Moore (perhaps) really working for – apart from being captive to a group of very rich NZers or ex NZers? In the end I think the external component of that political era also went a bit further than was immediately recognisable.

                      David Lange was taken for a ride. But I think he got his own back.

                    • Anne

                      This is the reality which belies the “Anyone but Cunliffe” faction’s convenient claim that Phil Goff was seriously undermined by just one person, his finance spokesman.

                      A lie that I suspect is still being perpetrated… from external sources as well as some in the ABC caucus club.

                      A testimony to how much David Cunliffe is feared.

                    • Aye Anne. This particular allegation made it clear to me that there is something very wrong in the party. Because amongst other things the Goff was not able to recall the amount of tax income the CGT would produce in the first year that it actually did generate income. The figure had been available for months but there was a delay in releasing the tax policy because the PREFU figures had only just come out. The claim that sabotage happened by Cunliffe is not only clearly wrong but so wrong it has to be malicious.

                      I blogged about it at the time at http://waitakerenews.blogspot.co.nz/2011/12/is-new-zealand-politics-being-taken.html and I believe the comments stand.

                    • Anne

                      At the time you posted that blog there was a block of some sort and I coudn’t get into your site to read it. Reading it now it’s almost uncanny at how prophetic that post has proven to be:

                      The clear impression is that the sudden publicity surge behind a Shearer leadership campaign was orchestrated across the left and right wing. This is disturbing. Has New Zealand politics been reduced to a group of powerful people holding sway over different political parties and being able to exercise significant influence over them?

                      1. NZ politics has been reduced to a group of powerful people holding sway over different political parties… that is what I meant by the other agenda. And some of it (I’m sure) is coming from beyond NZ!

                      2. O’Sullivan’s claim of a return to the cloth-cap politics of old was frankly a crazy bit of ideological garbage with NO BASIS IN FACT. Could anyone – with even half a brain – in all honesty describe Helen Clark’s Labour govt as a return to cloth cap ideology?

                      That so many caucus members plus some (who should’ve known better) beyond the caucus fell for the nonsense still makes me wonder…

                    • Olwyn

                      At the time I was told three reasons for the caucus’s supporting Shearer, two of which I remember, the other I’ve forgotten. One was that the media would be more friendly to Labour under Shearer, and another was that Labour would be more likely to win back the rural seats with Shearer at the helm. So far, I do not see where effort has gone into winning back the rural seats, and I guess the media may be more friendly in the sense of not actively setting out to visit ruin on them individually, apart from the badmouthing of Cunliffe in which they were complicit. The polls, however, have stayed exactly as they were under Goff, despite the shine having come off Key, despite rising unemployment and despite the attacks on the vulnerable having escalated quite dramatically.

                      The opacity of the Labour caucus, and the ferocity with which they attacked Cunliffe at the conference makes one suspect that they have agreed, with God knows who, to muzzle the left and maintain the current status quo, in exchange for God knows what. One assumes they must be trying to pull it off on the basis that if you make no commitments you cannot stand accused of betrayal.

                    • Anne

                      …one suspect that they have agreed, with God knows who, to muzzle the left and maintain the current status quo, in exchange for God knows what.

                      For power. Pure, unadulterated power, and access to the hallowed halls of local (and global) corporate hospitality.

                      That should upset a few people. :evil:

                    • Olwyn

                      This is a reply to Anne: It is possible then, that they have decided to do their masters’ bidding to insure themselves against attacks like the one on Aaron Gilmour, which would have the potential to close the relevant doors. Nothing to do with actually representing anyone. I read the catch cry “We must appeal to the middle class” as code for BAU. Essentially, it’s an argument that goes. We represent Labour. You cannot get anything more Labour than a Labour MP. Therefore, we must represent ourselves.

            • Saarbo

              yes, thanks TRP. Incredibly frustrating for us supporters on the left, watching National introduce legislation daily that is increasing inequality and breaking down our communities and meanwhile our main representative party are acting like imbeciles, protecting their own little patches…they are certainly not going to be winning any Nelson Mandela awards for selflessness this lot.

      • BM 1.1.2

        Total bollocks.

        They were all there to meet with sky city management, Shearer included.

      • Mary 1.1.3

        Isolated this whole Sky City thing isn’t really a big deal. If Labour were a strong and credible Opposition they’d weather something like this easily and the whole thing would be forgotten in a day. The problem is that Labour isn’t strong or credible or anything like a worthy opposition. So when things like this come up highlighted is how completely pathetic Labour’s become. There’s no depth there whatsoever so the focus goes on the relatively minor and irrelevant things. And at the same time the government gets undue mileage out of comments like “deeply hypocritical”. Well, it’s not “deeply” hypocritical at all. Hypocritical, sure, and Shearer and his mates should have known better. But it shouldn’t signal the end of the world, like it has. Labour is currently so weak it can withstand very little. Key et al can say almost anything and they look ridiculous. All of this means one thing: David Shearer, how ever nice a guy he is, cannot continue as leader. Deep down I think he knows this himself.

    • Ad 1.2

      Nah i am quite happy to watch everyone in caucus and on this site who supported Shearer – and his core cabal who were in that Sky City box – to just swing in a good cold wind for a few days yet.
      You put him there people.

      • Morrissey 1.2.1

        You put him there people.

        To be fair, they only put him there because they were bamboozled into it by Matthew Hooton and his friends at that epochal barbecue.

        • Colonial Viper

          Veuve cliquot tends to do that at the right dosage

        • felix

          To be fair to Matthew he wasn’t really involved.

          All he did was heartily encourage Shearer in person, recommend him to all his influential contacts, sing his praises all over the media for months on end and gleefully take part in the smear campaign against his opponents.

    • Paul 1.3

      Time to bring in some fresh faces without the taint of neo-liberalism.

    • Boadicea 1.4

      Grant? You naughty Roman Baiter Alanz. There is nothing funny about that bad joke.

      Grant? The Grant that pushed unproven Shearer into the role to block Cunliffe?
      Grant? The Grant who hand picked the incompetent staff in Shearer’s office?
      Grant? The Grant who had Labour third to the Greens and the Nats in Wellington Central?
      Grant? The Grant who has only ever worked inside the Beehive and who gets agrophobia when he leaves the environs?

      Shearer has to be replaced immediately. But not by the Machiavellian who was instrumental in giving us a clear DUD and exacerbated the situation.

      Grant and his mates did the numbers a few months back when Shearer had lower polls and pulled back. They are now awaiting the latest Roy Morgan figures gleefully.

      The only person with the integrity, competence and public respect to be a SUCCESSFUL Labour Leader is David Cunliffe.

  2. logie97 2

    Apparently Key is concerned about the difficulty Kiwi’s future Mums and Dads are having participating in our home-owning democracy.

    Perhaps if he was to legislate that residents only could own property.
    Secondly legislate for a maximum of two houses (including the beach house) that any family, company or trust can own. That way the speculators would have to divest themselves of their portfolios and supply would far outstrip demand and sanity would return to the market.

    • RedLogix 2.1

      Or you could just go with the idea that “house owning” does not equal “democracy”.

    • mikesh 2.2

      Rationing property in areas where shortages exixt, such as Auckland, would make sense, and it would not stop property owners within the designated areas purchasing outside their areas if they wanted holiday homes somewhere.simply pass a law that anyone who owns one or more homes in a designated area cannot purchase any more.

      Getting exixting exixting land landlords to divest themselves of their current portfolios, however desirable that may be, might nevertheless be problematic.

      • logie97 2.2.1

        … threaten them with massive property taxes. Give them a three month grace on capital gains tax so they can unload a few of their houses.

        • mikesh

          … sounds a bit brutal, and probably unjust, where landlords have previously purchased properties in good faith. Preventing them from purchasing further properties, however, would achieve the desired result of reducing demand.

  3. Morrissey 3

    “Haw haw haw haw haw!”
    The humour-deficient Chris Trotter fails again

    The Panel, Radio NZ National, Friday 14 June 2013
    Jim Mora, Lisa Scott, Chris Trotter

    On Wednesday night’s edition of Backbenchers, horrified viewers witnessed the embarrassing spectacle of Labour List makeweight Sue Moroney bumbling her way through an excruciatingly inept attempt to formulate a coherent answer when Wallace Chapman asked her if she supported calls for New Zealand to offer asylum to “that American whistle-blower.”

    Yesterday, long-suffering Panel listeners heard an unusually inane and depraved exchange about another dissenter being targeted for state vengeance. What is particularly interesting here is the behaviour of the pompous, unfunny, self-styled “leftist” Chris Trotter…..

    MORA: What else have you got for us?
    SUSAN BALDACCI: Well, this latest study shows that we’re all a little bit paranoid. There are three kinds of paranoia, apparently—
    MORA: Three kinds of paranoia?
    SUSAN BALDACCI: [voice betraying slight edge of irritation] Y-y-y-y-yes.

    She gives a brief survey of an article about paranoia she has just downloaded from the internet, and then the program takes a sinister turn….

    SUSAN BALDACCI: Julian Assange is a little bit paranoid.
    MORA: Oh yes? Hur, hur, hur, hur!
    SUSAN BALDACCI: Yeah, he claims that being holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy, he is deprived of his human right of getting enough sun.
    MORA: Is it a human right to get enough sun?
    SUSAN BALDACCI: That’s what he claims! He claims that being not allowed to leave London is violating his “human rights”.
    MORA: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
    LISA SCOTT: Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
    CHRIS TROTTER: Haw haw haw haw haw!
    SUSAN BALDACCI: He thinks he should be allowed out of his Ecuador embassy hideout to sunbathe.
    MORA: He can get out on the balcony, where he gave that speech!
    LISA SCOTT: Yeah! Ha ha ha ha ha!
    CHRIS TROTTER: Yeah! Ha ha ha ha ha! Or get him a sun lamp! THAT’s what he needs!
    LISA SCOTT: Ha ha ha ha ha!
    SUSAN BALDACCI: He he he he he!
    TROTTER: I suspect the ambassador’s just sick of the sight of him! [Assumes wheedling mock-Hispanic accent] “Are you ever going to LEEEEAAAVE?”
    MORA: Oh that’s very good! Ha ha ha ha!
    LISA SCOTT: Ha ha ha ha ha!
    MORA: Sun lamp! Get him a sun lamp!!!
    LISA SCOTT: Ha ha ha ha ha!
    MORA: Ha ha ha ha ha! Back after the news!

    Read a fuller account of this dreadful edition of The Panel here….

    • CC 3.1

      Chris is no doubt keeping his future fee options open now that a Fairfax stalking horse is going to be the in charge at RNZ.

  4. Ad 4

    Do I believe my eyes to see that Shearer is planning to expose the Five Eyes network to a public review? Does he understand national security at all?


    Worse, Norman even asks whether China would appreciate that network’s influence here. Is he really saying we need to balance the interests of the intelligence networks of China and the Five Eyes network in our security policy?

    • karol 4.1

      Both are asking for an inquiry. Nowhere is either Norman or Shearer asking for a “public” inquiry.
      I think Norman is talking about balancing NZ’s economic agreements with China and agreements with the US.

      • Colonial Viper 4.1.1

        The Pacific is the 21st century playground of two superpowers, an imperial one well established and unparalled, and one just developing but without even a true deep water navy. It won’t pay to piss either one off.

  5. David H 5

    This was part of an answer I gave to Blip Yesterday.

    Does anyone remember the Movie Stealth ?


    Here’s the real US Military version. Nightmare stuff this one is. We’re right on cue for Skynet and Terminators.

    And from what I have been reading these are completely autonomous just Program and go but there’s NO calling it back

    “there’s no human pilot in constant control as there is with those, and once the jet is in the air there’s no way for human commanders to communicate with it.”

    This is a scary scary piece of technology. And now they don’t need to have bases in foreign countries, as it’s now Carrier Based.

  6. Hi folks!

    Seen this?

    Media Alert from Auckland Mayoral candidate Penny Bright : “Will THIS help stop the Auckland Draft Unitary Plan?”

    On what LAWFUL basis has the Auckland Council based this ‘mantra’ of an extra million people coming to Auckland over the next 30 years?

    On what LAWFUL basis has the advice of Chief Planning Officer Dr. Roger Blakeley been followed, to use the Department of Statistics ‘high’ population growth projections, when they recommended using ‘medium’ population growth projections?

    How come two key infrastructure providers, Watercare Services and Auckland Transport are using ‘medium’ population growth projections for their Auckland region asset management plans?

    Petition 2011/ 64 of Penelope Bright, and Supplementary Evidence to support this Petition, are being considered as ‘Items of Business’ before the Social Services Select Committee.

    Will this ‘throw a spanner in the works’ and help stop in its tracks, both the Auckland Draft Unitary Plan, and the Housing Accords and Special Housing Areas Bill?

    We shall see…………………..


    Petition of Penelope Mary Bright

    Requesting that Parliament declines to proceed with the Housing Accords and Special Housing Areas Bill until the lawfulness of the reliance of Auckland Council on the New Zealand Department of Statistics’ “high” population growth projections, instead of their “medium” population growth projections for the Auckland Spatial Plan, has been properly and independently investigated, taking into consideration that both Auckland Transport and Watercare Services Ltd, have relied upon “medium” population growth projections for their infrastructural asset management plans.

    Supplementary Evidence to support the above-mentioned Petition:


    In my considered opinion, this evidence is damning and proves that lawful due process for the Auckland (Spatial) Plan, which the Auckland Unitary Plan is supposed to implement, has NOT been followed in a proper way.

    I have requested, on the basis of this EVIDENCE, that the Social Services Select Committee do the following:

    “14 a) Formally request that Auckland Council provide the following information that I have requested, and not been given, (or been able to find for myself in the Auckland Council Future Vision / Auckland Plan Committee minutes:

    1) Please provide the minutes, of the particular Auckland Council Future Vision Committee meeting, (including the resolution number), which specifically resolved to take the advice of the Auckland Council Chief Planning Officer, Dr Roger Blakeley, to rely on the Department of Statistics ‘High’ population growth projection, as outlined in their letter dated 28 March 2011, for the DRAFT Auckland Spatial Plan ( the ‘Auckland Unleashed’ document), for public discussion in March 2011.

    (I note that if the Department of Statistics letter was dated 28 March 2011, and the only meetings of the Auckland Future Vision meetings were held on 1 March 2011, 7 March 2011, and 11 March 2011, it is unclear to me how Auckland Council elected representatives could have discussed this letter, and resolved to rely on the advice of Auckland Council Chief Planning Officer Dr Roger Blakeley to use their ‘high’ population growth projections, prior to release of the ‘Auckland Unleashed’ document for public discussion in March 2011? )

    2) Please provide a copy / copies of the competent, professional legal advice, which confirmed the lawfulness of the Auckland Council Chief Planning Officer, Dr Roger Blakeley, in giving that advice, (for the DRAFT Auckland Spatial Plan ( the ‘Auckland Unleashed’ document), for public discussion in March 2011.) and the lawfulness of Auckland Council elected representatives accepting that advice, given the following statutory duty outlined in the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009 s.79 (4) (c):


    3) Please provide the minutes, of the particular Auckland Council Auckland Plan Committee meeting, and the resolution number, which specifically resolved to reconfirm their taking the advice of the Auckland Council Chief Planning Officer, Dr Roger Blakeley, to rely upon the Department of Statistics ‘High’ population growth projection, as outlined in their letter dated 28 March 2011, for the DRAFT Auckland Plan for consultation in September 2011

    4) Please provide a copy / copies of the competent, professional legal advice, which again confirmed the lawfulness of the Auckland Council Chief Planning Officer, Dr Roger Blakeley, ( for the DRAFT Auckland Plan for consultation in September 2011) in giving that advice, and the lawfulness of Auckland Council elected representatives accepting that advice, given the following statutory duty outlined in the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009 s.79 (4) (c):


    5) Please provide the minutes, of the particular Auckland Council Auckland Plan Committee meeting, (including the resolution number) , which specifically resolved to reconfirm their taking the advice of the Auckland Council Chief Planning Officer, Dr Roger Blakeley, to rely on the Department of Statistics ‘High’ population growth projection, as outlined in their letter dated 28 March 2011, for the FINAL Auckland Plan which was decided upon in March 2012.

    6) Please provide a copy / copies of the competent, professional legal advice, which again confirmed the lawfulness of the Auckland Council Chief Planning Officer, Dr Roger Blakeley, in giving that advice, (for the FINAL Auckland Plan which was decided upon in March 2012) .and the lawfulness of Auckland Council elected representatives accepting that advice, given the following statutory duty outlined in the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009 s.79 (4) (c):


    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation’ campaigner

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

  7. Tim 7

    Can I just draw your attention to this:

    and my comment – I think around 1AM.

    Only because the illustrious sucker-upper Soimun has recently expressed a feigned concern for the situation THAT IS STILL GOING ON – and as yet (1 year on), complaints that I’m aware of have still not received a response from that bugger’s muddle mixture of functions known as ‘MoBIE’.

    The trick is for Immigration to TIE visas to specific employers – such that the employee gets royally ripped whilst being UTTERLY reliant on the good grace of the employer.

    For those that resent all these bloody foreigners coming in here and talking ‘all our jobs’, I say we (read private tertiary institutions and others) should not have made false promises in the first place.
    They might also consider that this is another way that wages and conditions are being driven DOWN for any/every worker.
    That’s not to mention this wonderful ‘egalitarian’ country called Nu Zil’s reputation o’seas, that no doubt the instigators will be doing their very best to suck up to.

    I’ve just become aware of YET another case.

    • Tim 7.1

      Actually, I’ve become aware of two additional instances. One reliant on prostitution to survive.
      Should he/she actually get what was expected – they now have to come up with (or guarantee) that they have $15K in the bank (as proof that they can sustain their living without being a ‘burden’ on the Nu Zill tex-payer)
      So having been ripped off 30 grand plus (and whilst they, and their family desperately try to repay that money), having attained degree (‘graduated’) from a private tertiary institution that promised the world, but who delivered no less than 5 different lecturers throughout a semester and has subsequently gone under (i.e. – out of business – no accountability – no means of recovery for services not delivered), they must now effectively sell themselves to get what was promised.

      I’m angry!. VERY fucking angry! I just console myself knowing that the very people this government will soon/have already been trying to grovel to, have members in their family that are affected.

      It’s a far better policy to just be upfront and honest

    • Tim 7.2

      mmmm – the lack of any sort of response after 7 hours and 47 minute is pretty telling.
      Maybe its because they’re only a few nargies and chinks!
      I sometimes wonder about the ‘left’ – I mean I’ve given up wondering about the Labour Party, but the lack of any interest here is pretty telling on this issue.

      Given 3 decades of conditioning though, I don;t suppose I should have expected anything else, though I lived in hope. I still keep asking myself – did I post this in the wrong place?

      But then…just as I wonder sometimes about leaked reports and who ‘MIGHT be responsible’ (with some sort of limitation on a ‘tight 5). FUCK ME with a feather duster!
      The bleeding obvious seems to be the least obvious, and that’s perhaps what many are relying on.
      (If I wrote a report, of which I was both proud, but also concerned about FURTHER sanitisation, there might be various means by which I might ensure its contents were not going to be neutered further. I’d probably have to rely on friends and family, AND whoever was willing to assist).

      I’m now expecting a load of (awe geez – but the timelines don;t quite fit, and all that sort of kaka).
      I’m fucking glad the patriotic have already paid off their mortgages and are well placed to just fuckng retire and be shot of the bastards

  8. johnm 8

    The Artist Taxi Driver in the U$K
    Make no mistake it’s a class war,hunt the poor

    “They came for the disabled, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t disabled.

    Then they came for the elderly, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t old.

    Then they came for the poor, and I didn’t speak up because I was doing ok.

    Then they came for me, and there was nobody left to speak for me.”


    Coming here, 300000 kiwis to be harassed off benefits in the next 10 years. They’ll copy the punitive sanctions regime of the socially collapsing U$K

  9. Rosetinted 9

    Good stuff on Radionz this morning. One on lack of concern about investigating prior notice by FBI about 9/11 and the way they seem to be tied in knots by their own complex dealings. Also set up a whistleblowers association.

    This will get you quickly to the links. http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday

    8:15 Sibel Edmonds: Sibel Edmonds is the publisher and editor of Boiling Frogs Post and the author of the 2012 memoir, Classified Woman: the Sibel Edmonds Story (ISBN: 978-0-61560-222-6). She has a MA in Public Policy and International Commerce from George Mason University, a BA in Criminal Justice and Psychology from George Washington University, and is the recipient of the 2006 PEN Newman’s Own First Amendment Award for her “commitment to preserving the free flow of information in the United States in a time of growing international isolation and increasing government secrecy”.

    and a discussion that contains a lot of the words – “conspiracy theories”
    11:05 Charles Pigden
    Charles Pigden is Associate Professor at the Department of Philosophy, University of Otago. He has published on a number of topics including Hume on Is and Ought, the ethics of Bertrand Russell, and conspiracy theories.

    visiting speaker to the Royal Society -
    9:05 Terry Speed
    Professor Terry Speed is a world leader in bioinformatics and is regarded as one of Australia’s most important statisticians. His work has helped to identify areas of the human genome that contribute to cancer, genes that are vital for embryonic development and malaria proteins responsible for initiating infection in human red blood cells. Professor Speed is a Fellow of the Royal Society, London, was presented with the 2012 Thomson Reuter’s Citation Award and the 2012 Victoria Prize for Science and Innovation, and is visiting New Zealand as 2013 Distinguished Visitor for the Royal Society of New Zealand, presenting the talk, Understanding Epigenetics Through Mathematics, in Dunedin (18 June), Christchurch (19 June) and Wellington (20 June.

    • Rogue Trooper 9.1

      Alasdair MacIntyre
      trade Bertrand Russell texts in for some Huxleys :-D

  10. Rogue Trooper 10

    The Nation : The Sequel ae.
    When Rachel (fine China Girl) Meets G.I Joe (that village idiot Guy).
    Scene I.Act I.
    Sour Milk.
    Guy- Primary Industries growth outlook (otherwise fine); 7% year on year for the next four years.
    -primarily dairying
    Rachel- intensification, more land and irrigation.
    Guy- evades intensification outcomes enquiry.

    -phone logs, locations, times.
    Gamma Group of Companies
    Dr. Peter Gutmann, AU
    -gmail-everything you have sent, Facebook, GMail, Twitter
    -meta-data = information about communications
    -and may not require warrants regarding the “whos, when, and wheres”.
    -Google’s income is from selling data about you.
    -loyalty cards; an anecdotal example of the local Warehouse (Target) knowing your daughter is pregnant before you do through data-mining.

    -China views 5 Eyes with anxiety
    -Key; has broken compact made with the electorate, post-Brash
    -’rule of law’ undermined-The Law Society, Geddis et al;
    -”never been to a corporate box- not a good look for a politician”.

    the erudite Colin James
    -this govt. give less attention to due process than Muldoons.
    -Sky corporate box nonesense is damaging for Labour.
    -Gordon John Thompsen
    -’tested’ the ‘waters’ how Shearer is held, and it is unlikely he will be changed.
    -Russell Norman “the Leader of The Opposition”.
    -Key’s shine is (still) coming off, showing vulnerabilities; SOME CONSERVATIVES in the PARTY HAVING DOUBTS ABOUT HIM!

    • David H 10.1

      (that village idiot Guy) My local Trough feeder (MP), and a very apt description of him.

  11. Rogue Trooper 11

    (that Jose Babosa is xtatically funny).
    Ben Gracewood- Computer Programmer
    -”we should be worried about changes to GCSB, etc”.

    Adam Boileau- Internet Security Specialist
    -”the collection of LOCATION data is not given enough scrutiny to” (implications).
    now this is the really sad part,
    “these kids living their lives through Facebook and Google+ (sexting etc) are gonna get to 30 and regret it”. Maybe Sam will come round about then…

  12. Rogue Trooper 12

    raise those Rosetints

    The Apotheosis of Master Sergeant Doe

    Welcome , dear Master Sergeant to the fold
    Your pace was firm, your passage mean and bold.

    Lean your entry, in studied Savior’s form
    Combat fatigued, self-styled a cleansing storm.

    Let other shoulders sprout gold epaulettes
    You shunned those status-greedy etiquettes,

    Stayed simple Master Sergeant. The nation knew
    Who was the Master; the Sergeants rendered due.

    The comrade band diminished.The bloody contest played
    It’s grand finale.Alone the Master planner stayed

    The course. The lean had rounded out. The barrack slob,
    Close-crop peak-cap head affects new heartthrob

    Swinger images. The tie pins are no paste.
    The spoils of office, easy acquired taste

    Distend the appetite, contract the scruples.
    A crow may answer eagle, perched on borrowed steeples.

    Flown on flags, graced by diplomatic corps
    We consecrate the nightmare, kiss anation’s sore.

    To mask the real, the world is turned a stage,
    A rampant play of symbols masks a people’s rage.

    The ass that mimes the Lord’s anointed wears
    A face that once was human, prone to fears

    But crowns are crowns. When rulers meet, their embraces
    Are of presence. Absent cries make empty phrases.

    The pile is high on that red carpet trail
    That muffs the steps to your Inaugural Grail,

    Skulls like cobbles, bones like harmatten twigs
    The squeals of humans dying the death of pigs.

    You missed the hisses too; a fanfare covers all.
    The whine of violins at the State House Ball

    Bears down the whining discords of misrule
    You’ve proved a grade A pupil from survivors’ school.

    Your worthy predecessors raise a toast
    From exhiled havens , or from the eternal roast

    Swinging Bokassa, Macias Nguema, Idi Amin Dada
    You sucked the their teats, you supped from their cannibal larder,

    And belched in unison. The pinnacle attained,
    Next goal is duration. Shall we see you ordained

    In the Guiness Book of Records, the Master stayer?
    Youth is your ally, and appetite of Master slayer.

    Till the peole’s fiesta: a blood-red streamer
    In Monrovian skies, a lampost and- the swinging Redeemer.

    -Wole Soyinka (Nigeria).

  13. David H 13

    To all you Isky users out there have you seen this??

    And this


    No more unmetered access to streaming whatever from Sky, and it will end, at the end, of this month.

    And I have seem no news on it at all so is going to be a nasty shock to a lot of people.

  14. Rogue Trooper 14

    Hard Act To Follow.

    “Sola! Livy I exHume”,
    serio-comically fastgates
    a Harmony of The Gospels
    to a Bashful Bright-Eyes
    coyote with far-away eyes
    Staid ’round the perimeter
    Wantonly set aloft
    Combinations understudied pointedly
    for Drole verbal effect.
    (some are fated to live post-humourously).
    to nicol
    and nicotian.

    for polly and ianmac.

  15. Colonial Viper 15

    Why spy on your own citizens anyways?

    Seems that the answer lies in the US wanting to be able to suppress domestic civil unrest in the event of an economic, social or environmental shock


    “DoD might be forced by circumstances to put its broad resources at the disposal of civil authorities to contain and reverse violent threats to domestic tranquility. Under the most extreme circumstances, this might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States. Further, DoD would be, by necessity, an essential enabling hub for the continuity of political authority in a multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance.”

    • Rogue Trooper 15.1

      ahhh, the link, in particular, between catastrophic climate change and repressive totalitarian government.

      • Colonial Viper 15.1.1

        The people in charge want to stay in charge – no matter which side of the peak oil/climate change/debt deflation discussion is proven right in the future.

        • Rogue Trooper

          from Genesis to Revelation: “Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness”
          Jesus Christ and The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
          Read the comments? “The most important article this year”. Excellent page-turning my friend; things are really going to speed up now,oil shortages possible by 2015! the Snowden revelations just the beginning. Some of the comments assert that the States will not be able to maintain order for long. Are you going to frisbee the article all over the show, being well-connected and all that. I am only a writer ;) yet I know I’m under soft surveillance.

          • Colonial Viper

            My friend, it is always a pleasure. Many people from all walks of life are glancing askance at the cognitive dissonance they are experiencing. A five year recession with barely a hint of a rebound? Growth is coming tomorrow (reminds me about the joke at the pub – free beer tomorrow). Bailouts and the needles of austerity sucking over and over, yet banking and sovereign debt crises continue to cascade? History returning to Europe – even in the “advanced” “civilised” nations of Western Europe. Spain, Greece, Italy, Sweden.

            For now not much is said out loud amongst “polite company” (remarking that our civilisation is probably all the way up shit creek without a paddle usually kills the dinner party conversation), but trust me more than a few “ordinary Kiwis” (and I do mean “ordinary”) are paying at least some attention. As usual our political parties are intent on being followers not leaders.

            The US will be a powerful and influential nation for many many years to come, and I am not under any illusion: the nation remains a source of innovation, courage and inspiration for the world: not because of the example of it’s recent authorities and leaders, but due to the example set by some of its finest citizens. Young Americans who not only know right from wrong, but are willing to put their lives on the line for their peers and for people they have never met, even when they know that many of them will never thank them but think them cowardly disloyal enemies of their home country.

            A few men by the name of Washington, Jefferson and Adams…they too were branded as gutless traitors.

            NB there is also a path of independent states that the USA can follow in the future. The deep south may decide that it prefers to go it’s own way as might the liberal coastal areas. And Texas will be quite relieved to be Texas by itself, once again, a condition that it lost only in 1845.

            The answers to the near future of the human race lie not in ever increasing technology and complexity, fun filled as that is, but in returning from the limits of globalisation and mass consumption to the resilience of localisation, of human understanding kinship and meaning.

            And as you point out, much of the knowledge is already there in old but not-quite-forgotten traditions and stories, ones which rest almost unseen, patiently and unobtrusively. Like a gold coin forgotten in an old coat pocket, always ready to be found as a pleasant surprise, no notice necessary.

            • Rogue Trooper

              ahhh, according to Legend WN the Son goes out several $T. I’ll take the proverbial slow road (they can take the high).

          • Colonial Viper

            BTW Rogue – have you read the latest Archdruid report on the shape of civilisations?


  16. xtasy 16

    It must be the liberalism exceeding ACT Party narrow mindedness that drives the Standard to allow them to advertise here, but hey, we are open and tolerant, are they though, and is Banks the same?

    For a better atmosphere and tune turn to this, life is so sad and depressing we all need a cheerful break I suppose, enjoy:


  17. xtasy 17

    Excellent music from Chile, traditional that is, Inti Illimani, enjoy:


    That is the merging of indio music with western, Spanish music, as I am sure the South Americans had no guitars and the likes before.

    • Populuxe1 19.1

      “Think and enjoy, more culture than down under.”
      In which case feel free to fuck off any time you like.

      • Colonial Viper 19.1.1

        You are indeed gracious for emphasising the point precisely.

        • Populuxe1

          I, Colin McCahon, Witi Ihimaera, Janet Frame, and any number of NZ cultural practicioners past, present and future thank you for your support and enthusiasm, CV – you can fuck off too

      • xtasy 19.1.2

        Yes, I was absolutely right, Populuxe1, when I wrote “more culture than down under”, wasn’t I?

        There came you, “down under” my last post or comment above, and you displayed a lack of culture by throwing a slightly abusive comment back at me. I may have foreseen it, hey.

        But I may forgive you. We do all turn “mad” at times, whatever that word means, so welcome to the rest of the “mad club” – with fluctuating membership.

        By the way, I f*** off-shore every night, via the internet that is.

  18. thank you for this analysis.


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    Leaders’ debate tonight! Reading through some of the political science about debates over lunchtime and the general consensus seems to be that debates don’t really change voters’ minds unless one of the debaters dramatically under-performs or over-performs.  But all other things...
    DimPost | 28-08
  • Is 2014 a landmark election for Green politics?
    Last week I asked, somewhat facetiously, whether this would be New Zealand's first policy-free election. Now obviously parties will release policies and they will provoke some debate, but it does seem that the personalities and the general perception of each...
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Nicky Hager’s public meeting in Auckland last night
    Nicky Hager was in Auckland last night, at a public meeting called to give people the opportunity to hear from — and question — the author of Dirty Poltiics, a book the author said is about ethics. Quite a good turnout...
    The Paepae | 28-08
  • NZ Greens – quick on the photocopiers
    Environment Victoria have got a rather clever print campaign going in support of renewable energy. This went to print in The Age yesterday… [via Twitter]   It didn’t take the NZ Greens long to get their solar powered photocopier up...
    Progress report | 28-08
  • Dick Fritter: tonight’s big fight
    Expert commentator Dick Fritter gives his tips on what each party leader needs to do to win the big TV debate...
    Imperator Fish | 28-08
  • New World wants to turn your kids into mindless zombie consumers
    Parents will know the pester power unleashed by offering collectables such as toys (or in the case of Countdown, cards). This tactic has long been used by fast food companies to lure in kids. Now it is being used as...
    Gareth’s World | 28-08
  • Stop spinning the debate
    Take the people saying  ‘all David Cunliffe has to do is draw’. Unfortunately, last year David Cunliffe’s supporters in the leadership contest argued he should lead the  party because of his superior debating skills....
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Mayor’s Long Term Plan proposal released
    This morning the mayor released his proposal for the Long Term Plan, which outlines the 10 year budget for the city. This is the first stage in a 9 month process. Long-term Plan timeline August 2014 – Mayor’s LTP proposal...
    Transport Blog | 28-08
  • New Fisk
    Israel-Gaza conflict: No victory for Israel despite weeks of devastation...
    No Right Turn | 27-08
  • Public servants are now afraid to do their duty
    How afraid are public servants of Judith Collins? So afraid they won't perform their legal duty and transfer "political" OIA requests to her office. An FYI user asked the Ministry of Justice for information about the handling of OIA requests...
    No Right Turn | 27-08
  • Too close to call in Te Tai Hauauru
    Maori TV yesterday released the results of their poll of the Te Tai Hauauru electorate, and it’s a close one, with the Maori Party’s Chris McKenzie just 3% ahead of Labour’s Adrian Rurawhe. Given that the pundits and iPredict have...
    Occasionally erudite | 27-08
  • Speaker: Election 2014: Mental Health Policies
    Health funding is tricky.  Politically, it's often about robbing Peter to pay Paul, and my experience of working in the public mental health system for many years is that mental health is often the "black sheep" of the health system. ...
    Public Address | 27-08
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies: Today no. 23 – SkyCity deal.1
     The Nation: John Key 'Meets the Press' The involvement I had as Minister of Tourism was to go and talk to a number of critical players and as part of a general conversation say to them hey look New Zealand's interested...
    Arch Rival | 27-08
  • Poll of Polls update – 28 August 2014
    3News Reid Research released their latest poll last night, and it’s good news for almost everyone but the major parties. National are down 2.5% to 45%. That’s the danger zone – if NZ First is over 5% and National is on just...
    Occasionally erudite | 27-08
  • Help bring about change – get someone out to vote
    Getting our supporters out to vote during is something veteran Labour volunteers are familiar with – but it’s something every Labour supporter can help with too, even those who have so far not been able to be actively involved with...
    Labour campaign | 27-08
  • Private education company celebrates taxpayer largesse
    Tertiary Update Vol 17 No 29 New Zealand’s largest tertiary education company Intueri, announced a $1.6 million profit this week, courtesy of a massive increase in public funding over the last two years of at least $1.8 million. “The government...
    Tertiary Education Union | 27-08
  • Labor neighbour Bryce pitches in at Fraser House
    When are we pleased to see the Aussies? Certainly when we’re beating them at rugby and definitely when they are supporting Labour’s election campaign. Bryce Roney, who works for Labor in Tasmania, has been seconded to Fraser House by the...
    Labour campaign | 27-08
  • Kelburn academics want Living Wage for low paid colleagues
    Academics at Victoria University of Wellington’s Kelburn campus called for the university to reconsider its stance on the Living Wage at their stop-work meeting this week. The university and TEU members have been in collective agreement negotiations for months now....
    Tertiary Education Union | 27-08
  • Hard News: Earning Confidence
    That any fallout from Dirty Politics -- if that was what we saw in last night's 3 News poll -- would go to New Zealand First rather than the main Opposition parties is not very surprising. For many people, Winston Peters...
    Public Address | 27-08
  • Domestic students migrate to PTEs
    The number of domestic students in public tertiary education fell by nearly 10,000 between 2012 and 2013 according to the latest data from the Ministry of Education. Meanwhile the number of domestic students in private training establishments (PTEs) rose by...
    Tertiary Education Union | 27-08
  • Ceasefire in Gaza – what are the lessons?
    It is good that an ‘unconditional and unlimited’ ceasefire has now been reached in Gaza. Above all, the human carnage stops. Whether it stops for good or for simply another five-year cycle is the real test. There are two ways...
    frogblog | 27-08
  • Charter schools chained to tertiary institutions?
    The government is considering changing education rules to allow universities and polytechnics to run partnership schools according to the New Zealand Herald. However, Alan Cocker from TEU’s national council says there are financial risks for tertiary institutions getting involved with...
    Tertiary Education Union | 27-08
  • Smallest branches focused on decent work and pay
    A recent hui of representatives from some of TEU’s smallest branches said the union’s priorities on fair pay and decent working conditions were aspirational rather than a reality for some of their workers. The hui, which included TEU members from...
    Tertiary Education Union | 27-08
  • TEU leadership up for vote
    Campaigning for TEU’s new president is well under way, with both candidates, Lesley Francey and Sandra Grey, answering questions from the public on their campaign websites....
    Tertiary Education Union | 27-08
  • Dirty polls, what Winston wants & debates
    If the 3News-Reid Research poll has captured a snap shot of the voters' mood, then it shows that the campaign at the moment is all about trust. It is of course only one poll, but it shows a flight from...
    Pundit | 27-08
  • A positive story of political co-operation!
    .   . Wellington, NZ, 23 August - The following is a true story and shows how the natural inclination of the rank-and-file of our main left-wing parties is to work together… I’ve been in contact with both the Green...
    Frankly Speaking | 27-08
  • A positive story of political co-operation!
    .   . Wellington, NZ, 23 August - The following is a true story and shows how the natural inclination of the rank-and-file of our main left-wing parties is to work together… I’ve been in contact with both the Green...
    Frankly Speaking | 27-08
  • “Dirty Politics” – the fall-out continues…
    . . As the shock-wave from Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics” continues to engulf everything in it’s path, it’s worthwhile looking at the damage caused by the ever-expanding fallout… Fallout Dispersal Zone: 1oom Farrar wrote on 19 August  (and later...
    Frankly Speaking | 27-08
  • “Dirty Politics” – the fall-out continues…
    . . As the shock-wave from Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics” continues to engulf everything in it’s path, it’s worthwhile looking at the damage caused by the ever-expanding fallout… Fallout Dispersal Zone: 1oom Farrar wrote on 19 August  (and later...
    Frankly Speaking | 27-08
  • Why There is so Much Hate for John Key
    Kiwis, real Kiwis that is – not ‘Kiwis’ who have been living here for a couple of years, are mostly decent hard working and honest people.  They earn their living by getting out there and making a difference by what...
    An average kiwi | 27-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • Labour will facilitate regional Māori economic development agencies
    The next Labour Government will facilitate the creation of regional Māori economic development groups lead by iwi and hapū to work in partnership with business and public agencies as part of its Māori Development policy. “Labour is committed to working towards...
    Labour | 16-08
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has today released an email from the General Manager of the National Party that directly contradicts recent statements from the Prime Minister in relation to the 2011 breaches of Labour Party website databases. In his stand-up...
    Labour | 16-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • What The Hell Was That! Reflections on the media’s coverage of the Intern...
    WHAT, EXACTLY, DO WE KNOW about the confrontation outside Internet-Mana’s campaign launch? Well, we know the news media was there in force. We also know Internet-Mana’s media person, Pam Corkery, blew her stack. We know that Corkery’s outburst led the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • NZ First candidate – homophobic, bennie bashing anti-intellectual clown
    Oh God, apart from Ron Mark, Tracey Martin, Curwen Rolinson and Winston before midday, the woeful cavalcade of political circus freaks NZ First seem to attract has picked up another hitchhiker. This time Epsom candidate Cliff Lyon who said this about Labour… “If...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Nicky Hager Public Meeting LIVESTREAM on The Daily Blog 7.30pm Wednesday 27...
    As part of our commitment to the 2014 Election debate, The Daily Blog will Livestream the Nicky Hager public meeting in Auckland, 7.30pm live from the Mt Eden War Memorial this Wednesday on this site. Doors open at 7pm. It...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Opening Night. It’s like an opera!
    On Saturday night just gone, we collectively experienced one of the premier panegyrys of political pageantry in our three yearly electoral cycle. For one glorious weekend evening every three years, it’s not the All Blacks or some Super 14 team, or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Unions – what ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Timor-Leste’s Parliament handed ‘humiliating’ defeat over harsh media...
    East Timorese journalists raise their hands to approve the Timor-Leste JournalistCode of Ethics in October 2013. Photo: Tempo Semanal/Cafe Pacific   David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. PACIFIC SCOOP reported this week that East Timor’s Appeal Court had scrapped...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • THIS is why we need a public broadcaster!
    The richest 20% of us in NZ own 70% of the wealth, with 18% in the hands of the second richest quintile, and 10% in the hands of the middle quintile. Just 2 per cent was owned by people in...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • A vote for Key is a vote for this
    A vote for Key is a vote for this...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • Why the Secret Intelligence Service feeding Cameron Slater information is s...
    Folks, it doesn’t matter if you are Right or Left, the issue of the Secret Intelligence Service being forced to feed a far right hate speech merchant like Cameron Slater with sensitive information is an ‘us’ issue. The SIS are...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • How lost and irrelevant are ACT?
    So ACT had it’s ‘launch’. Well, what passes as an ACT launch these days. Lot’s of anorak’s with that 1000 yard star and dreams of a Milton Friedman Free Market dancing behind their eyelids all crammed into a room small...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • National Party rowing advert aimed at Gen Xers
    Unkind wags such as myself would suggest that if the above were a real representation of National, it would look more like this…   National know they have the rural mob and the angry provincial vote locked in, with their...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • National Housing propaganda – McGehan Close Revisited
    .   . Housing has become a major, defining issue in New Zealand. We have critical shortages and escalating prices in  in the main centres and falling house values in the regions. The National government has addressed the supply &...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • WoF law will evict the poor and students from their houses
    The Green warrant of fitness law will evict the poor and students from their houses, if they’re lucky enough to find a place to rent in the first place...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Police response to IPCA report on ‘out of control’ parties
    Police accept today's Independent Police Conduct Authority report recommendations regarding the handling of 'out of control' parties and has already improved its policies and practices for managing these complex and sometimes violent situations....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Review of Police handling of ‘out of control’ parties
    An Independent Police Conduct Authority review has found that Police are working to ensure officers called upon to deal with out of control gatherings in future are better trained to deal with the situations they may face....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Wynyard and NZ Police Announce Ground-breaking Partnership
    Auckland, 28 August 2014 - Wynyard Group, a market leader in advanced crime analytics software and services, today welcomed the New Zealand Police as a long term partner in its Crime Science Research Institute (CSRI)....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Polls confirm dirty politics out and the Conservatives in
    The latest 3News-Reid Research poll has the Conservative Party on 4.6 per cent which means they are virtually on their way to Parliament. Garth McVicar, the Conservative Party candidate for the Napier electorate believes the polls are proof that the...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Toke the Vote 2014: NORML’s guide to NZ cannabis policies
    NORML’s policy, renewed at our recent national conference , is to encourage supporters to vote for parties and candidates who will work to reform our cannabis laws....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Internet Mana List Embodies Modern Aotearoa
    An impressive mix of personal and professional skills, cultural backgrounds and ages marks the release of Internet MANA’s combined party list. “Our list highlights the calibre of talent woven throughout Internet MANA,” said leader Hone Harawira....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • The Dirty Politics Fallout
    Tonight’s 3News-Reid Research poll shows that the Conservative Party is on the verge of making it into the next Parliament, even without an electorate deal with National. The poll, conducted in the week following the release of Nicky Hager’s...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te reo Māori trending at New Zealand Fashion Week
    Language and fashion express culture and identity so it’s fitting for the Māori Party to launch its te reo Māori policy at New Zealand’s premiere fashion event in Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Party And Candidate Lists for 2014 Election Released
    The Electoral Commission has released the nominations for the 2014 General Election, with 15 registered political parties and 554 candidates contesting the election....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Take Steps Against Child Poverty with Us!
    TAKE STEPS AGAINST CHILD POVERTY WITH US! Britomart to Aotea Square, Auckland, 11am, Saturday 6 Sept Music * Interactive Art * Stilt Walkers * Great Speakers * Plus more!...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Leading politicians to debate NZ’s role in the world
    Have you ever wondered where New Zealand stands when it comes to issues beyond our borders? Join Amnesty International's North Shore Group on Monday 1 September for a lively cross party debate and the chance to find out the answer...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Political Debate on Family Violence – Livestream
    The Dunedin Collaboration Against Family Violence is happy to announce the upcoming political debate on Family Violence chaired by Professor Nicola Atwool of the University of Otago. Family Violence is a huge problem in our community and we invite representatives...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Politicians ignore 20% of New Zealanders
    Despite 20% of New Zealanders supporting it, none of the parties currently represented in Parliament endorse the legalisation of cannabis....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Company tax rates
    The Op Ed pages of the left-leaning New York Times are full of articles by economists supporting proposals to dramatically lower Company Taxes. These economists are urging the United States to lower company taxes and point to Canada where the...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Stephen Dudley Case: No appeal or review of discharge
    On 8 August 2014 Crown Law received a request from the office of the Auckland Crown Solicitor to consider a Crown appeal against the discharge without conviction entered in respect of M in the High Court at Auckland on 7...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Dudley Family Statement
    “We are utterly devastated at the news regarding the law not allowing for this unjustified discharge without conviction to be appealed....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Chief Judge: Chief Sized Offender Bias
    “Justice by name, not by nature” states Ruth Money Sensible Sentencing Trust National Spokesperson, of Justice Helen Winkelmann’s decision to discharge without conviction the offender charged with the fatal attack on 15 year old schoolboy Stephen...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Confusion over BPS Reducing Crime and Reoffending Results
    A survey has revealed widespread confusion – even amongst professionals in the justice sector – about what the government’s reducing crime and reoffending progress reports actually mean....
    Scoop politics | 26-08
  • Commission condemns violent attack on Gay Wellingtonians
    The Human Rights Commission has condemned a violent attack on staff and patrons at a gay bar in central Wellington last Friday. GayNZ reported that the alleged attackers were abusive and violent when they realised the bar and the people...
    Scoop politics | 26-08
  • One down, 12 to go says Community Housing Aotearoa
    The Waimahia Inlet is a step in the right direction for community housing to deliver 20% of New Zealand’s social and affordable housing by 2020, says Community Housing Aotearoa. CHA Director Scott Figenshow says the sector has been set a...
    Scoop politics | 26-08
  • Research considering changes to pedestrian crossing laws
    A University of Canterbury research project has been considering the costs and benefits of a range of potential changes to pedestrian crossing laws that would bring New Zealand in line with the rest of the world....
    Scoop politics | 26-08
  • Dairy farmers and consumers at risk from unapproved GE Grain
    The Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) must immediately test all maize and soy for presence of unapproved GE lines coming from the Americas....
    Scoop politics | 26-08
  • NZ on Air Refuse to Condemn “Kill the PM” Song
    New Zealand On Air has refused to condemn @peace’s 'Kill the PM' song, and will not provide any assurance that no further taxpayer money will be used to support groups that promote violence and political hate. Earlier today the Taxpayers’...
    Scoop politics | 26-08
  • iPredict Ltd 2014 Election Update #32
    The combined wisdom of iPredict’s 8000 registered traders suggests National has begun a recovery after its prospects crashed last week following the release of Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics . The governing party’s forecast party vote is back...
    Scoop politics | 26-08
  • Juicy carrot for prisoners alarming suggestion – McVicar
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar says the public will be alarmed to learn that the only tool the Corrections Department has available to get prisoners to behave is to offer them a juicy carrot....
    Scoop politics | 26-08
  • Panel: Fiji’s Return to Democracy
    Fiji’s post-coup elections and their impact in the Pacific o What is the role of the media in the Elections? o How might New Zealand help Fiji on its return to democracy?...
    Scoop politics | 26-08
  • Cross-party consensus on climate change critical
    Senior NZ health professionals welcome recent policy announcements on climate change by major political parties, saying cross-party consensus is critical to address this leading health issue....
    Scoop politics | 26-08
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