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Open mike 17/01/2014

Written By: - Date published: 7:21 am, January 17th, 2014 - 275 comments
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Open mike is your post.

For announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose.

The usual rules of good behaviour apply (see the Policy).

Step right up to the mike …

275 comments on “Open mike 17/01/2014”

  1. amirite 1

    Good opinion piece by Derek Handley on Kim Dotcom’s new Party, in which he says that:

    “We have a government that doesn’t really listen to the people and has increasingly grown comfortable in a quasi-arrogant swagger”

    http://www.derekhandley.org/why-kim-dotcoms-internet-party-is-good-for-new-zealand/

    • BM 1.1

      Is he on Dotcoms pay roll?

      • phillip ure 1.1.1

        i don’t think he needs the money..there..bm..

        ..you thoroughly-modern/stressed-out green..you..

        ..grasping for straws..?

        ..are we..?

        phillip ure..

        • BM 1.1.1.1

          With what’s come to light over the last few days you have to be a wee bit skeptical of anyone who writes anything positive about dotcom.

          • phillip ure 1.1.1.1.1

            @ bm..

            ..what actually has ‘come to light’..?

            ..bradbury jumped to the next vehicle he thought would best achieve his personal ends..

            (that’s just what bradbury seems to do..nothing new there..

            ..past week..greens..one week mana..next week labour..the week after..dotcom..

            ..what’s next..?..the bomber bradbury party..?..

            ..bradbury certainly has loose knickers..he’s anyones’..)

            ..bradbury..with his apparant promiscuous party-hopping/easy swapping of flags….is getting more than a touch of the peter dunnes about him…eh..?..which week is it..?..which party am i in..?..)

            ..and dotcom was told he would be breaching election-laws if he threw a ‘party’..

            ..and alistair thompson has resigned from scoop..to work for dotcom..

            ..what else have i missed here..?

            ..to cause yr consternation at recent events..?

            phillip ure..

          • Morrissey 1.1.1.1.2

            BM’s been reading Cam Slater over on Whaleoil. He’s parroting the great man.

          • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.1.1.1.3

            @ BM

            “With what’s come to light over the last few days you have to be a wee bit skeptical of anyone who writes anything positive about dotcom.”

            Same could and has been said re John Key & National.

            Welcome to the real world BM.

          • McFlock 1.1.1.1.4

            So if they’re on KDC’s payroll, everything they write should be viewed with suspicion.

            But if they’re on the national party payroll, you’ll parrot their lines as gospel.

          • Draco T Bastard 1.1.1.1.5

            With what’s come to light over the last few days decades you have to be a wee bit skeptical of anyone who writes anything positive about dotcom National.

            FTFY
            :P

        • You_Fool 1.1.1.2

          It is the RWNJ new line to discredit KDC by implying he has brought anyone that says nice things about him… to be fair they are only assuming he is doing the same with his money as NAct and the other extreme right wing parties

        • Not a PS Staffer 1.1.1.3

          “Needing money” and “wanting money” are two very different things.
          The fact that a guy has a positive bank balance does not make him an objective commentator.

          Many many relatively well off people and well educated people are being drawn to Dotcom’s ideology of “something for nothing”.

          Greed: pure simple common greed and the lust for easy pickings is what is drawing the likes of Bradbury, Handley, Thompson and others to Dotcom’s campaign to beat extradition.

          All Labour people should keep well clear of Dotcom and his bought men.

          • phillip ure 1.1.1.3.1

            @ not ps..

            assumption piled upon pressumption..

            ..to reach the most dubious of conclusions..

            ..1/10 for elucidation of a rational argument..

            ..(what insights to peoples’ minds you must have..?

            ..have you thought of doing a stage-tour..?

            ..reading peoples’ minds..?

            ..whoar..!..)

            phillip ure..

          • Morrissey 1.1.1.3.2

            All Labour people should keep well clear of Dotcom and his bought men.

            So anyone who supports Dotcom’s entirely mainstream view that the internet should be open and free and not controlled by governments and corporations is suddenly on Dotcom’s payroll.

            Whereas the commentators who represent those corporations, and support governments snooping and spying and censoring our communications, are independent and responsible commentators.

            Got it.

            • Not a PS Staffer 1.1.1.3.2.1

              @Morrissey

              I doubt DotCom has any interest in internet access, privacy, or freedom outside of how his bank balance is swollen further by people who want to get the creative output of Artists without paying for it.
              The fact that big media companies are making massive profits does not justify direct theft by the consumer. Artists are finding better ways to retain a higher slice for themselves.

              I believe every atom in DotComs body is focused on avoiding getting deported to the US and to making more money.

              DotCom is a convicted criminal and is wanted on charges of piracy/theft. The inept performance of the FBI and the NZ Police don’t justify his efforts to make money by ripping off creative Artists.

              Bradbury was a stupid fool to work for DotCom.

              • Draco T Bastard

                DotCom is a convicted criminal and is wanted on charges of piracy/theft.

                You do understand that once people have paid their fine/been in prison for their crimes they’re considered to have paid their debt to society and to be innocent don’t you?

              • Colonial Viper

                Awesome to have you shilling for the big crony corporate apparatus

                The fact that big media companies are making massive profits does not justify direct theft by the consumer. Artists are finding better ways to retain a higher slice for themselves.

                How sure are you about that? Perhaps those “massive profits” you speak of should be viewed as theft from the community, in the first place. Rentier capitalists should always expect push back.

                When an economic system is unjust, such as the use of patents and copyright (and deals like the TPP) to crush the wealth of the commons and to crush creativity, it will eventually be the cause of its own undermining.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  +1

                  The taxpayer subsidies over the last few years for films that have been made in NZ have been high enough to get everyone in NZ into a theatre to see them.

                • Not a PS Staffer

                  @CV: “Rentier capitalists should always expect push back.” I fully agree.

                  I also believe that a disruptive action/movement is required to bring about substantive change, and that the laws protecting the owners of capital are just that.

                  However…..it stick in my craw that a self-serving git like DotCom, who has been “generous” to some of our politicians, and now journalists, should be the catalysts for this change.

      • Te Reo Putake 1.1.2

        Actually, BM has a point. Bomber, Alastair Thompson and Graeme Edgeler have all promoted or been quoted talking about Dotcom’s party without acknowledging their links. Not exactly mold breaking behaviour, is it?

        • BM 1.1.2.1

          Has David Fisher, the Herald reporter ruled himself out yet?

          • Colonial Viper 1.1.2.1.1

            He’s an excellent journo, with deep insight into the KDC case. If anything, he needs to keep on going.

        • bad12 1.1.2.2

          TRP, How many of us here at the Standard comment and/or promote particular political parties without revealing our links, if any, to those parties,

          It seems given what has so far been pointed at Bradbury et al is more the criticism of convenience, convicted and damned for a quickly thought up ‘crime that isn’t’…

          • Te Reo Putake 1.1.2.2.1

            Not the point, bad12. The 3 I mentioned were all in positions of significant influence and should not have hidden the links. You and I are not editors of a blog or a news site, nor political/legal commentators on the national news. We contribute to the debate, but we cannot control it. However, Bradbury, Thompson and Edgeler have platforms much more weighty than us mere commenters on TS and all three should have been upfront from the start.

            • karol 1.1.2.2.1.1

              I got the impression that the leaked evidence was of those 3 making some kind of submissions to KDC in its early stages – kind of like a pitch so KDC could decide if he would have them working for/with his party. The evidence did not convince me they had already signed up to work with/for the party.

              So, should such consultants make public every submission/application they make for paid contract work?

              • Te Reo Putake

                Your impression is wrong, karol. Thompson is the party secretary, Edgeler and Bradbury have apparently written proposals on a commercial basis. Bradbury has asked to be paid an ongoing salary and is considering being a candidate. I presume Edgerler has already been paid for his electorate analysis. Here at TS, we have regularly railed against WO’s blogging for cash. It’s no better when Bomber does it. Thompson, a gallery journalist, should have been upfront the moment he joined the party.

                • Jackal

                  Te Reo Putake

                  We have regularly railed against WO’s blogging for cash. It’s no better when Bomber does it.

                  Bomber submitted a proposal that Dotcom had requested. If you think he should publicly declare such talks concerning a potential position you’re badly mistaken. There is presently no conflict of interest and the right wing thrashing about like lunatics is ridiculous!

                  There is simply no comparison between Cameron Slater being paid by Ports of Auckland to leak private information and badly defame one of its workers and Bomber Bradbury having discussions with Kim Dotcom about the Internet Party. People who think otherwise need their heads examined.

                • mickysavage

                  I think Edgeler should be exempted from criticism. Hell I act for rapists and drug dealers but this does not mean that I have to believe that what they are doing is right …

                  • lprent

                    Tis the nature of lawyers. People should have the best representation available.

                    For all of my usual carping at lawyers (and police and politicians), they are essential for a society to have to function correctly.

                    Just like those people who deal with the rubbish and stop the mountains growing around people to become a public health risk, the people who provide clean water, and those who deal with effluent of all kinds.

            • bad12 1.1.2.2.1.2

              TRP, while i understand and mostly agree with the point you are making, i have to ask if most of said point is in fact not just the ‘smoke and mirrors’ of political to and fro,

              While seeing what is being accused and being personally in agreement with the accusation i have to ask tho, what are the ‘Facts’,

              How many articles prior to His outing as a ,(paid???), supporter of DotCom’s Internet Party did Bradbury actually publish in support of this Internet Party???

              That question when applied to the big player in Scoop is harder of course to apply, but, just how many articles in support of the Internet Party did Scoop publish prior to Thompson’s outing as a supporter, in the case of Scoop, with reference to Thompson’s position with that organization, that question would have to include articles in support of the Internet Party by any Scoop author including Thompson,

              The accusation made against these people is in fact the ‘smoke’, is there any proof of ‘fire’…

              • Te Reo Putake

                Well, with Thompson, clearly there is both smoke and fire. By joining the party he fatally compromised his position at Scoop. It’s not a question of articles he may have written; he was their gallery reporter and he should have known that he could not have both roles. Hence the swift resignation/sabbatical.

                Bomber has form in this area already. He has worked as a paid consultant for mana and he should have acknowledged that whenever he wrote about them out of respect for his readers. Same for his role in Dotcom’s party. He has asked for money and also to possibly represent them as a candidate. That’s something TDB readers should be told upfront.

                Edgeler, I’m less bothered about. He was interviewed about ‘treating’ and TV3 had control over whether his link to Dotcom was publicised in the news item and apparently chose not to provide that information. I’m assuming that he told them, of course.

                • bad12

                  TRP, so you cannot point to any particular article published by Scoop that promoted the Internet Party???, i am going to assume here but for the Blubber Boy blog getting in ahead of Him that Thompson would have declared His interest in the Internet Party at the point it became a registered political party,

                  In other words mere smoke being used by certain quarters to throw a hissy fit toward those who could be involved in this Internet Party,

                  Fair enough comment about Bradbury vis a vis the Mana Party, we would think that He would be polite enough to advise His readers,(although most of them obviously already know), that He has in the past been a paid consultant to the Mana Party,

                  Your comments though on Bomber vis a vis the Internet Party are a bit spurious, more smoke in other words, Bradbury might have asked to become a candidate for this Internet Party is hardly a matter of fact upon which to lynch Him,

                  You fail to point out any article that Bradbury has published or caused to be published in support of the Internet Party so in reality when you look at the ‘facts’ there is simply more smoke than actual fire…

                  • lprent

                    Fair enough comment about Bradbury vis a vis the Mana Party, we would think that He would be polite enough to advise His readers,(although most of them obviously already know), that He has in the past been a paid consultant to the Mana Party,

                    Pretty sure that he had. Certainly I knew about it and long before The Daily Blog was created. I see that he has now added the link to his profile.

                    • bad12

                      Tah for that, i don’t spend enough time over at the daily blog to have followed Bradbury’s blogging and the couple of times i have spent an hour reading there came away with the opinion that a lot of the blogging comes across as ‘the adults talking to the children’ and the means of commenting gives me the same impression,

                      That of course might be totally unfair on my part and simply an impression created by my lack of attention to that site…

                  • Te Reo Putake

                    Bad, there is a clear comparison between Bomber and WO. And in that comparison, Slater comes off much much worse. But Bomber has compromised himself by offering himself as a potential candidate (and presumably being paid for the proposal). Cameron writes to order, for cash, without disclosure. Bomber has done a pale version of that, by writing about both mana and Dotcom’s party without disclosure of his interest in both.

                    The other weird thing about Bomber’s involvement is offering to be a candidate before there is even any policy. What’s that about? A misogynist German millionaire libertarian with no history of social concern is hardly an ideal partner for advancing the revolution. More a case of “I for one welcome our new insect overloads” or “Hi, Homer, I’m Hank Scorpio”.

                    • bad12

                      Te Reo, you fail to answer the points i raise in my comment to you at 12.39, instead choosing to try and divert the debate off onto another tangent,

                      i know from what Gordon Campbell wrote,(Karol provides a link below),about what Thompson’s intentions were and here i am going to assume that Bradbury was probably going to announce His involvement,(if any in the future), at the same time Thompson was which seems to be when the Internet Party was ‘officially launched’,

                      Obviously the leak to and the publishing of this leak by Blubber Boy is what has put both Thompson and Bradbury in the position where the likes of you are more than willing to read ‘compromised’ into what in reality was an ongoing process thus promoting fracturing and schisms within the left as a whole,

                      Again i will ask you to point to the specific articles either printed personally by Thompson and Bradbury in support specifically of ‘the Internet Party’ or to any articles of the same nature they have used their realitive positions to caused to have been published even if penned by other authors…

        • veutoviper 1.1.2.3

          As I understand it, Graeme Edgeler provided some legal advice to Dotcom on a strictly lawyer/client basis.

          This article on Stuff last night also provides some clarification re the Bomber/Dotcom relationship.
          http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9616254/Dotcom-cans-Vector-party

          At the end of the article

          Internet mogul Dotcom told Fairfax Media that Bradbury was engaged as a consultant for two months last year.

          “The suggestions in the proposal are not part of our strategy. The project time with the consultant who provided the proposal was limited to 2 months. To declare this document a leak of the Internet Party strategy is simply false,” he said.

          “We are working with several political consultants with different political views, from the left to the right. We have reviewed several strategy proposals to identify the best strategy options for the Internet Party and it is an ongoing process.”

          • karol 1.1.2.3.1

            Snap – pretty much what I was thinking of re- my above comment.

            • bad12 1.1.2.3.1.1

              True Karol, Hooten is an example of what Bradbury is doing, emulating perhaps, wearing many hats Hooten seems to survive quite nicely as (a) National Party member,(b) Paid political consultant, (c) Political activist vis a vis His role in the broadband roll-out,(i have no knowledge if this is a ‘paid’ role)…

              Ps, forgot, i should add (d), wannabe politician to wee Matty’s not so long list of achievements…

              • karol

                Well Hooten is upfront about his lobbying business. I guess the likes of Bradbury and Thompson need to decide if they are politcal activists, or politcal consultants.

                What I’m seeing is Bradbury trying to move from being a grass roots activisits, to being a political commentator/journalist, and consultant – more like Brian Edwards than John Minto.

                Bradbury has done some curious swings over the alst couple of years – first he was all for Mana and the grass roots intitiatives like feeding the kids. Then he was one of Cunliffe’s biggest cheer leaders – seeing Cunliffe as the best potential for over-throwing the present government. Now he seems to be getting into KDC’s camp – to attack Key but also offer Bradbury possibilities for a role in future public broadcasting?

                Gordon Campbell on Alistair Thompson – looks to me like Thompson got caught out by the WO leak – Thompson was moving toward being explicit about his role with the Internet Party, but as the IntP was not fully launched, and trying to wait til it was ready for a full launch (I don’t think the party’s yet registered), he was wanting to keep on with his day job, til the IntP’s future was more certain.

                I don’t think that’s the same as WO’s and Hooten’s pattern of several years.

                • veutoviper

                  From Dotcom’s comments in the Stuff link I linked to and quoted at 1.1.2.3. above, my impressions are that Bradbury is probably finished in terms of any future connections to or work for the Internet Party.

                  I have no doubts that (a) Dotcom is ‘highly concerned’ (to put it mildly) that the documentation leaked to WO appears to be Bradbury’s submission to Dotcom on strategy for the IP; and (b) a lot is going on behind the scenes to identify the source and means of that leak.

                  • karol

                    Some good points, veuto.

                  • mickysavage

                    Agreed VV

                    Makes you also wonder at the strategy behind the publication of the leak. Do you get the feeling we are being played?

                    • veutoviper

                      Depends who you mean in terms of getting “the feeling we are being played.”

                      My perceptions are that Dotcom and Co were genuinely taken aback by the leak and that it came out of left field to them; and also by the ‘treating’ aspect to having the PartyParty as a joint 40th birthday celebration, launch of KDC’s latest album, AND the launch of the Internet Party. Re the latter, I am a little surprised that they had not done their homework sufficiently (eg had very detailed legal advice on the process of registering the Internet Party etc) to avoid any such hiccups.

                      What did cross my mind when the numbers of registrations for the party grew well beyond the 2000 offered, the leak occurred and the treating aspect came up was that they may have then looked initially at separating the IP launch out from the party at Vector Arena, and having the IP launch at Shed 10 earlier on Monday. (After all they had already booked – and presumably paid for – Shed 10 before they moved the party to Vector Arena.) The reason this crossed my mind was KDC’s Tweet on 14 Jan that “The Internet Party will be launched at a separate event at a separate time”. Note that he said “separate time” , not “date”.

                      In the event, obviously they really had no choice but to put off the IP Launch until they have dealt with all the issues relating to registration of the logo, the ramifications of the leak etc etc. So, no – my perceptions are that we are not being played by KDC and co, considering ‘the egg on the face’ situation for them.

                      Re the leak itself to WO, and WO’s timing in posting this – IMO yes this was obviously an attempt to play the situation. If I was in KDC’s shoes, finding the leak and plugging it would currently be my top priority. And, just my opinion, but I don’t believe for one moment that Bradbury would have knowingly been involved in the leak.

                    • veutoviper

                      Have been offline for several hours – I do have a life other than online at the TS – but just need to add that IMO. A Thompson is an even less suspect than Bradbury in terms of leaks. (HAve just had a few wines with friends, so don’t want to trust to an alcohol-impaired memory as to how to spell his first name.) I am sad that he has been smeared by what has happened, but believe that he will rise above it in terms of his history, reputation etc. Enough, Will be back when wine and sleep have taken their course to clear my mind etc.

                    • bad12

                      VV, with regards to your comment, i believe the electoral Commission, or whoever advised those proposing the Internet Party have given them an erroneous legal opinion over the ‘treating’ issue,

                      The ‘fact’ is that until the Internet Party has been officially registered with 500 members it does not for the purposes of any Act of Parliament exist, and holding a party to launch ‘the party’ in my view cannot be seen as ‘treating’ by an entity that in terms of Law does not exist,

                      Were the Internet Party to be with it’s 500 members a registered political party then of course this would make such a party ‘treating’ within the Law…

                    • Anne

                      Very good points veutoviper @ 2:47pm

                      I don’t believe for one moment that Bradbury would have knowingly been involved in the leak.

                      I agree.

                      You know what names came to my mind when I heard there had been a leak?

                      Ian Fletcher, John Key, Jordan Williams, Cameron Slater in that order.

                      It’s clear there is an election year strategy of dirty tricks, slimy deals, political hoaxes and individual set-ups in play here. John Key’s top drawer is wide open… the sleuths have been put on the trail(s)… Williams acts as an intermediary and the leaks end up in Slater’s hands. Len Brown was a slightly special case, but he was merely an entree. KDC was first on the 2014 list… and somewhere down the path it will be Cunliffe’s turn.

                      We are going to see an election year like we have never seen before. Too much is at stake and international assistance for Key and co. will be forthcoming – US govt. anyone?

                      The above scenario is by no means far fetched given what we have learned from Snowden and the mode of operations we have already witnessed from our government.

                    • veutoviper

                      As there are no reply thingees to Bad12 and Anne’s posts, just wanted to say:

                      Bad12 – excellent points re the fact that the IP is not yet a registered political party, and therefore the treating issue technically could not apply. But will leave that to the legal beagles, as I am not one. But logically, I think you are right (or should be).

                      Anne – good list; would add one – Jason Ede as an intermediary, with possible access to Key’s top drawer. (as well as cigarette butts LOL).

                      Enough – bed time, and hopefully, my cat will not drown me, my bed, and my two dogs who sleep on my bed tonight. Not that cryptic – see my comment at 17 on lprent’s post last night! Cannot remember the post title, but was also re the KDC situation. Cheers all.

                    • Anne

                      Yes veutopiper. I did remember Jason Ede but too late to include. He will be in the mix somewhere. Should be between Key and Williams.

                      It’s speculation but could be close to the truth. We,ll see.

                • bad12

                  Karol, can one not be both activist and consultant, i would add to that candidate as well but i would dare say that a success at being the latter would require the cessation of any consultancy,

                  Yes i read the Gordon Campbell article the other day which is the reason why this morning, without really knowing anything about Thompson’s motives,i find myself defending Him,

                  Perhaps the motivation of both Bradbury and Campbell fit well with my own expressed view that ‘the left’ has to keep growing possible support parties into the future to enable the formation of left-wing coalitions which is what the reality of MMP, in my opinion requires in the ongoing political process,

                  IF the above were to be the motive of both Bradbury and Thompson, then perhaps we should be showing a little more support to them, not as the Internet Party at this stage, but, for being forward thinking vis a vis Dotcoms proposed political vehicle and getting ‘in’ early to try and shape such a vehicle into something which would be a better fit in the political realm with the ‘left’ rather than the ‘right’,

                  Having said all that tho, and as pointed out by Vento below, we really need to ask ourselves could there be any point in supporting DotCom’s vehicle where the chances are, considering to who the leaked information was given, that DotCom has people working in a close working relationship with Him who also share a working close relationship with the likes of Blubber Boy or those of His ilk,

                  And yes, i have also considered that ‘a someone’ in a bid to further their ‘consultancy’ might have leaked such material to Blubber Boy simply using Him as the tool we all know He is as a means of ‘free advertising’, far fetched perhaps,but, this is politics…

                  • karol

                    can one not be both activist and consultant,

                    Well, that’s tricky to maneuvre, especially in the case of Bardbury who also is aiming to be a siginficant player in the media.

                    And, agree that there’s more to the leak than it first appeared to be.

      • veutoviper 1.1.3

        It would seem that Handley is not on Dotcom’s payroll, according to this Herald article this morning.
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11187754

        Mr Handley does not directly endorse the Internet Party and Mr Dotcom, but says that “like him or not”, he could play an important part in the political process.

        “We have a Government that doesn’t really listen to the people and has increasingly grown comfortable in a quasi-arrogant swagger.

        “And now, here comes somebody larger than life, fearless and controversial who has decided to swagger alongside them.”

        He decried the absence of long-term thinking in Parliament, saying that most voters felt there was not “an ounce of vision within 1,000 miles of the Beehive”.

        He said Mr Dotcom would not be able to provide solutions in many areas, but he had a strong vision on a few vital policies – putting technology at the heart of the economy, universal broadband as a public service, privacy, and human rights laws which were fit for the digital age.

        “As it stands, we are heading down a dangerous spiral on all those fronts.”

        • Colonial Viper 1.1.3.1

          Excellent. A recognition that the IP is a new party with narrow interests, but those interests happen to be society shaping ones of civil rights and democratic freedoms, in an age where those are being deliberately curtailed by TPTB.

        • BM 1.1.3.2

          He decried the absence of long-term thinking in Parliament, saying that most voters felt there was not “an ounce of vision within 1,000 miles of the Beehive”.

          The majority of voters a complete fucking numpties who could find their arse using both hands and an arse map.

          That’s the reason why there’s no long term planning, the only way we’d get long term planning is if we ditched democracy.

          • Colonial Viper 1.1.3.2.1

            The nation was quite capable of long term planning 50 years ago. In fact most of that infrastructure is that our modern day economy relies upon.

            • BM 1.1.3.2.1.1

              50 years ago NZ was a monoculture every one was like robot, individuality was not a good thing back in those days.

              Those days are gone, NZ is incredibly diverse these days, makes long term planning rather difficult.

              • vto

                have you heard the one about a hole and digging BM?

              • Draco T Bastard

                50 years ago NZ was a monoculture every one was like robot, individuality was not a good thing back in those days.

                I actually think people had more individuality. These days we have to conform to what the bosses want or we don’t get jobs and thus have to live in poverty.

                Those days are gone, NZ is incredibly diverse these days, makes long term planning rather difficult.</blockquote.
                And that's just another RWNJ excuse not to do anything and to leave it to "the market" despite the fact that "the market" is obviously failing.

            • alwyn 1.1.3.2.1.2

              Ah those were the days weren’t they CV? Lets see
              - We were in the second term of a four term National Government.
              - We had a two party , pre MMP, Parliament
              - No idiot Green, ACT or Mana party MPs.
              I wonder if the changes to those facts are the cause of our current problems?
              Yes, “Those were the days, my friend
              We thought they’d never end”.

              • Colonial Viper

                Don’t forget the neoliberalisation of the economy and the destruction of public sector capabilities in favour of short term private sector profiteers.

                • alwyn

                  My, my what big big words. “neoliberalisation” indeed.
                  I do wonder sometimes how much of the planning to provide power that was done by the MOW in that era was really done to ensure the supply of electricity and how much was done to simply provide careers for the engineers in the department. It sometimes seemed to be the latter and there always had to be a new project starting as it was Buggins turn to be a Project Engineer and there were a lot of career hydo-electric engineers who had to have something to do.
                  There never seemed to be a great deal of concern for where they built a dam of course, with the sole exception of Manapouri. It certainly gave us cheaper power that the wind turbines of today.

                  • bad12

                    Alwyn, that’s the dumbest comment i have read this week, you would have to be stupid to suggest such idiocy,

                    Show me a point in time, except for the present when as a country we have had a nett surplus of electricity generation capability,

                    The Fact is that if it were not for wind turbine power we would have had to dam at least another river to ensure supply matched demand or we would have faced ongoing deficits of generation,

                    My sad lament continues, when oh when will we get a class of wing-nut commenting here that have the slightest shred of intelligence to raise their contribution above that what could be said to emanate from the Dunce’s corner…

                    • alwyn

                      Perhaps you will tell me exactly what part of the comment is what you seem to think falls into your view that it “suggest such idiocy”?
                      There was a continuous string of Hydro electric power projects in New Zealand from the mid 1930′s until about 1990. they were in both the North and South Island and employed a fairly consistent number of people throughout the period, with people moving from one project to the next.
                      I would note that I was employed by the Power Division of the MOW in the late 1960′s and early 1970′s and observed the way that the projects were planned.
                      There were, of course Coal and gas-fired thermal plants developed as well in the North Island and also Geothermal at Wairakei but the bulk of New Zealand’s electric power was, and remains, hydro-electric.
                      Did we have a surplus of power? Well obviously all the power generated was used but we tended, from the late 1970′s to become much less efficiient in terms of energy use per unit of output. This continued up until early this century.
                      Do you personally have any practical experience in the area or are you just waffling?

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Well, you’re a prime example of a self serving shit head who uses an electricity infrastructure and design completely dependent on the excellent public service work done pre-1980, yet have the gall and the audacity to diss the people who actually put it together.

                    Fuck off you little over-privileged neoliberal apologist prick.

                    • alwyn

                      As I have noted just above here I worked in the Power Division of the MOW in the 1960′s and 1970′s and saw exactly what went on. Of course I think it was excellent work that we were doing. There is nothing in what I have said that “disses” anyone involved in this work. If you think there is then please point it out.
                      After all, I have often seen proposals on this site that suggest that we should schedule work to be done in New Zealand that will continue to employ the existing work forces in companies rather than get the work done, possibly more cheaply, overseas.
                      I would have thought you would approve of such practices, that keep skilled labour forces in work, rather than break them up and have them head overseas?

                    • bad12

                      Lolz CV, well said and saved my stubby wee pinkies a walk round the keyboard wasting pixels replying to this particular wing-nut…

                  • Draco T Bastard

                    I do wonder sometimes how much of the planning to provide power that was done by the MOW in that era was really done to ensure the supply of electricity and how much was done to simply provide careers for the engineers in the department.

                    It was all done to ensure supply and nothing else. Your conspiracy theory isn’t worth the electrons it’s written with.

                    • alwyn

                      It isn’t a conspiracy theory Draco, whatever you might mean by that.
                      It is simply an observation that there probably wasn’t as much work done to decide what were the requirements for power and so on as we might like to think. There was, in my view, much more of an approach that said “We have these engineers and construction workers available. Where will we use them next” rather than “Planning says we need a certain amont of power at such and such a time and at such and such a place. We will plan to produce the power at exactly the right time to meet that need”.
                      Did you ever see that baseball movie “Field of Dreams”? Power planning was like that with its motto of “Build it and they will come”. With the MOW it was a case of “Build the hydro plant and the power will be used for something”.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      “We have these engineers and construction workers available. Where will we use them next” rather than “Planning says we need a certain amont of power at such and such a time and at such and such a place. We will plan to produce the power at exactly the right time to meet that need”.

                      There’s two points to your diatribe:
                      1.) Everyone was complaining about the lack of power generation and the brown outs which tends to indicate that we needed more power generation
                      2.) If we’ve got the engineers and we have a lack of power then economics says to use those engineers to produce more power infrastructure

                      With the MOW it was a case of “Build the hydro plant and the power will be used for something”.

                      I remember the brown outs (although I don’t think they were as bad as some of the RWNJs have made out that they were on this board).

                      I also happened to work at Telecom during the 1980s and, although I didn’t have any say in it, I do know how much planning went into building the network that we enjoy today. You, quite simply, can’t build such infrastructure without planning and without it taking up time and resources to build. Interestingly enough, “the market” actually gets rid of the planning and building as “the market” only responds to shortages – if it responds at all (more profit can be made during shortages).

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Alwyn, fuck off you are so full of shit your breath smells.

                    • Tim

                      This is actually intended for Alwyn but no reply button.
                      If as you say you were with MWD power div, then we probably crossed paths or just missed each other by a whisker. But I’m glad you appear to be acknowledging the expertise and efficiency of the work done by MWD (and its Vogel Computer Centre). DEFINATELY more efficient, cheaper and reliable than what occurs these days through privatisation and outsourcing – tickets being clipped all along the way, a developing bugger’s muddle in standards and project management activities that have occurred ever since!

                • John W

                  That shift of wealth away from the public is a fundamental understanding without which comment lacks credibility.
                  Who runs the show………..

          • vto 1.1.3.2.2

            I think the absolute opposite BM

            Would rather have laws drawn by referendums placed in malls. You discount fellow manwoman, you discount yourself. It shows in your comments.

          • bad12 1.1.3.2.3

            Thank you BM for a perfect description of yourself as a voter, we all here at the Standard have known since your first comment that you are in fact a ‘fucking numpty’

            Nice of you to provide the confirmation…

          • alwyn 1.1.3.2.4

            “Not an ounce of vision within a 1,000 miles of the beehive”
            In other words there goes the whole of New Zealand, except perhaps the Kermadec and Campbell Islands.
            Sounds about right up to that point. I don’t like the rest of your comment though.

        • karol 1.1.3.3

          Handley: We have a government that doesn’t really listen to the people and has increasingly grown comfortable in a quasi-arrogant swagger. And now, here comes somebody larger than life, fearless and controversial who has decided to swagger alongside them.

          So is the government arrogant, or only failing in attempting to be arrogant? And it’s to be welcomed that Dotcom may be able to out swagger the government, without the quasi-arrogance? So does that mean Handley thinks Dotcom will be able to do true arrogance?

  2. northshoredoc 2

    “We have a government that doesn’t really listen to the people and has increasingly grown comfortable in a quasi-arrogant swagger”

    Sounds like every NZ government I’ve ever known.

  3. tricledrown 3

    Northshorecroc.
    Right wing cynic

  4. Pasupial 4

    Speaking of people being bought to say nice things about others:

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/288434/anadarko-meet-pro-oil-group

    Although they do still seem to be haggling over the price:

    “The group aimed to ”re-establish connections” with Anadarko, and ”provide certainty to them over who is involved with our group”. “

  5. Colonial Viper 5

    Autarky: increasing sovereign independence from foreign control

    ” The ability to survive without trade or aid from other nations, for example, is not the same as the ability to reap enormous profits or grow one’s economy without trade with other nations. In other words, ‘self-sufficiency’ in terms of survival does not necessarily imply prosperity, but it does imply freedom of action without dependency on foreign approval, capital, resources, and expertise.

    Freedom of action provided by independence/autarky also implies a pivotal reduction in vulnerability to foreign control of the cost and/or availability of essentials such as food and energy, and the resulting power of providers to blackmail or influence national priorities and policies”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-16/what-if-nations-were-less-dependent-one-another

    • thechangeling 5.1

      I like this. Being wedded to the neo liberal trade and financial system which is controlled by the WTO, IMF and WB ensures most of us are kept much poorer, powerless and desperate than we could be. Becoming independent of that system of subjugation and subsumption allegedly means collectively we would forgo a drop in living standards initially, but we would gradually recover. If several other countries detached themselves in unison, we could begin to trade again on our own terms, and not on terms prescribed to us by rich, powerful, interconnected politically motivated bullying neo liberals.

      • Draco T Bastard 5.1.1

        If several other countries detached themselves in unison, we could begin to trade again on our own terms, and not on terms prescribed to us by rich, powerful, interconnected politically motivated bullying neo liberals.

        And that’s how it should be. Independent nations with minimal trade between them. This ensures that society is sustainable and that poverty is eliminated. The present system of massive interdependence ensures the reverse as multi-national corporations seek profit and empire building.

        • Tim 5.1.1.1

          +1.
          Think community, then local, then national, then regional, and THEN international.
          These so called ‘efficient’ markets are the reason I often see semi-trailers with logs spewing bark all over the place traversing the Rimutakas southward to service one market, whilst another semi-trailer with the exact same cargo traverses the Rimutakas northward.
          Wrong on so many levels!

  6. Sanctuary 6

    Since I am off soon to the BDO and probably won’t re-surface until Monday, I feel the need to say something important enough to carry three days.

    I have come to the conclusion that beards are the padded bra of masculinity.

    • karol 6.1

      Hmmm… I don’t think bra wearers grow their paddedness themselves. Otherwise bra wearers would need to trim their bra pads daily….. or just let them grow.

      • Pasupial 6.1.1

        You can see where; Sanct’s confusion comes from, Karol. He obviously hasn’t had much experience with woman.

    • vto 6.2

      the current wave of beards are a padded fad.

      haven’t you heard the old saying, never do business with a man with a beard

    • Tim 6.3

      Cross your heart (and hope to die)?
      Actually I’m sitting next to a Sikh this very moment who’d beg to differ.

  7. karol 7

    Is this sort of thing why Kim Dotcom’s Internet Party is considered to have most appeal to urban professional males?

    • Sanctuary 7.1

      I’d buy that for a dollar! (Robocop was on telly the other day).

      God you are such a prude Karol. Try and remember when you were young. It actually happened once you know.

      • karol 7.1.1

        Sanctuary – t’ain’t nothing to do with age and prudery – eveything to do with sexism and misogyn. Women’s breasts are not there as some passive convenience for others to play upon.

        And you know nothing about what I was like when I was young or how it compares with me now. How come you are claiming to know so much about my life?

        • Sanctuary 7.1.1.1

          Well, you said your old and whenever you comment on anything vaguely randy it is tut tut.

          But you are telling me you born fully formed, springing Nike-like from the head of a feminist Zeus (Hah! Deal with THAT juxtaposition, classical scholars!)?

          Nary an intervening period of vice before your St Augustine moment?

          :( <— Sad face.

          • karol 7.1.1.1.1

            I don’t comment on anything vaguely randy – I comment on sexism. There’s a difference. And it has nothing to do with age.

            Sanctuary, it’s not about me. Ad hominems do not an argument make.

            Again I say, you know nothing about my life or what I was like when I was young.

            • Sanctuary 7.1.1.1.1.1

              Calm down! Jesus. Imagine you and Russell Brand trapped in a elevator.

              • karol

                Sanctuary – do you have anything but ad hominems and personal attacks? Do you understand anything about the impact of sexism and misogyny?

                And I really don’t see what Russell Brand in an elevator has to do with anything.

              • bad12

                Sanctuary, if you want randy comment piss off to a porn site and indulge yourself, the use of which i might add has been shown to be mainly the territory of you wing-nuts…

            • marty mars 7.1.1.1.1.2

              Good on you karol for putting up (with great calmness) with this shit from sanc who doesn’t even get that he doesn’t get it. I see he has just asked you to calm down – must be time for QoT’s bingo card soon.

              • karol

                Thanks, marty – maybe QoT needs a new bingo card – only so many squares.

              • Sanctuary

                Well there is one thing Kim Dotcom has in common with the surgeons who removed your senses of humour – both are clearly German.

                Next up: Martry Mars tells us why craft beer isn’t a bad thing.

              • NZ Femme

                Yeah…there’s a bingo card springing fully formed from the head of Sanctuary emerging as we type. Let’s see…Prude! Old! Tut tut! Calm down!

        • Pasupial 7.1.1.2

          Sanctuary

          I guess monetary payment is the only way I could conceive of any woman with a modicum of self-respect wanting to spend her time with you. I don’t think a dollar would be enough though.

          • Sanctuary 7.1.1.2.1

            What a load of pompous ass.

            • Pasupial 7.1.1.2.1.1

              Sanctuary

              I’m not the one who chose to proclaim the “I’d buy that for a dollar” line from Robocop as if it was epitome of wit (it’s main point in context was demonstrating how vapid the culture of New Detroit was, but even then got irritating really quickly). I guess it’s possible that you are not some excruciating no-mate-Jake virgin, but that’s sure how you come across.

              “Since [you are] off soon to the BDO and probably won’t re-surface until Monday”, I reckon that you have to be; truly friendless, as well as clueless, to be typing away on a political blog when you should be getting your groove on. But that does presuppose social skills that you so evidently lack.

      • Rosie 7.1.2

        Sanctuary. It’s got nothing to do with being a prude. That image is just lame, sexist and you know, Benny Hill-ish.

        It”s that kind of male expression of immaturity that make women groan and roll their eyes. I see from the twitter responses that Michelle A Court didn’t find it a great big laugh either.

        And does KDC really want to be the Shane Jones of the Internet Party, if and when it forms? Does he actually want to turn off his potential female votes?

    • Colonial Viper 7.2

      Well, there is that, and also his ability to blow away dozens of opponents in CoD: Ghost multiplayer firefights.

      • karol 7.2.1

        All part of the same whole?

        Such a digital macho man!

      • Sanctuary 7.2.2

        Yeah, if Karol thinks his keyboard is scandalous, you wanna see his playstation controller.

      • QoT 7.2.3

        That’s vile slander, CV. KDC is a Modern Warfare 3 player. It’s still naff-as-fuck wish fulfilment for people with masculinity issues but god, it’s not COD:Ghosts.

    • Zorr 7.3

      I think, ultimately, the point here is that as a teenager I would have probably thought this was awesome and been all over it…

      But I’m not. I’m older. It’s not necessarily “knowing better” but realizing that such things appeal to the juvenile and I’m no longer that. If I want to feel young again, I’ll go outside and do something really crazy – not get my jollies over “it’s a keyboard on boobies!”

      • karol 7.3.1

        And you think it’d have the same meaning for teenage girls and gay guys that it would for some het guys?

        • Zorr 7.3.1.1

          hmmm… I am slightly confused as to how to interpret that but I will attempt with face value

          I don’t think it would. It forms part of the reason why I no longer even snigger at them because I am more fully aware of the consequences of the continuing promotion of such images and the damage it causes on a societal scale.

          I also think I made my original point very badly. I was trying to say that as a teenager I didn’t have anything beyond self-awareness and was very unaware of anything outside of my sphere of interest and that many teenagers (in my experience and talking over teenage experiences with acquaintances) are somewhat similar.

          Overall, I was trying to say that Kim Dotcom is throwing red meat to his voting base by appealing to all those people who haven’t advanced beyond their juvenile phase despite having advanced further in years.

          • karol 7.3.1.1.1

            Fair enough, Zorr. Kind of confirming that you see KDC’s base is young heterosexual males.

            Sanctuary, on the other hand, seemed to be claiming all/most young women would have a similar response to the KDC tweet as all/most young men.

            • Zorr 7.3.1.1.1.1

              I kind of see KDC as a giant man-child. He is capable of rational thought and building coherent arguments but ultimately everything he does is self-serving despite potential benefits for people surrounding him. I appreciate what his presence in New Zealand has done to shake up the local scene but I do not feel he is worthy of respect and most likely never will.

              In my personal opinion, someone needs to show willingness to sacrifice for reasons outside of their own advancement/gain before they become worthy of respect.

              • karol

                Yes. I agree his case has brought some important evidence to light about our surveillance services,a nd John Keyas lackey to the US corporates.

                But i’m not keen on his entry into the politcal arena – seems ultimately self-serving to me. His party may have some positive impact on the elections, but there could be as many negative impacts in the long term.

                • weka

                  I suspect that KDC is in for a steep learning curve when it comes to politics and NZ women ;-) (plus many other cultural things).

                  There was that thing about the rape jokes by KDC too http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10831624 (don’t think that’s the best account of what happened though).

                  http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/7608244/Dotcom-draws-fire-for-rape-joke-tweets

                  • karol

                    *sigh*

                    Thanks for the info, weka.

                  • Rosie

                    Geez. Like I said above, does he really want to be the Shane Jones of the Internet Party? (if and when it forms)

                    Also, this reporter quoted in the article could do with educating, especially if she is reporting on sexual assault and rape.

                    “TVNZ reporter Heather du Plessis-Allan discovered on Sunday the gag didn’t get many laughs among her Twitter followers.

                    “Wow. A full 30 people unfollowed me after I retweeted Kim Dotcom. Not much love for the man out there?” “

                    • weka

                      It probably wasn’t as bad as that Herald article looks. I can’t remember exactly how it played out, but from what I remember he did some stupid, ignorant sexist tweeting, then apologised. So I’m not sure he is in the same bracket as Jones, he probably does have the capacity to learn, even if it is just being more politcaly savvy.

                      The thing about his party’s voter base being young male tech-lovers, if that includes the geek sector, just look at the huge amount of misogyny there (not sure that misogyny is a strong enough word though).

                      It will be interesting to see young male geek culture meet NZ political culture where you can’t really get away with being shit to women.

                      Having said all that, I was in the bush for a couple of days and just caught up with the whole IP thing last night. The thing that stands out most to me is how much time is being spent on a party that hasn’t even been launched yet, we don’t know what its political objectives are really, and its already involved in a couple of fairly serious messes. Bizarre.

                    • karol

                      weka, part of it sems to me to do with KDC being able to stimulate a lot of media coverage. The other is his ambiguous position re capitalism, corporatism and Internet surveillance. There’s a diversity of views as to where KDC stands poliically, and how his party would impact on the elections – his is indicative of some fracture points in NZ politics.

                      All that is bound to genrate a lot of discussion.

                      And the minor parties are looking to be the wild cards in the coming election – so many of them jockeying for position. An indication that NZ politics is going though some kind of transition, but with no certainty of the outcome/s.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I don’t think that there is any ambiguity in his internet positions. He is against totalitarian internet surveillance as it exists today, he is rolling out end to end encryption for his users to help push back against such surveillance, and he is definitely against corporate and corporate copyright control of the internet.

                      Re: capitalism – I’m sure he has no problem with run of the mill capitalism per se, but he has also learnt the hard way that the corporate crony government sponsored capitalism that we live under is no good for anyone – him included.

                    • weka

                      Karol and CV, I just found it interesting that there was so much speculation when the party hasn’t even been formed yet. And the comments in one of the standard’s threads the other day seemed overwhelmingly to support the idea that the party would get right wing votes (implication that it wouldn’t get left wong ones).

                • Will@Welly

                  karol – I see KDC playing the Bob Jones/New Zealand Party card in this years election if he goes through with his threat. The spoiler. He will disrupt National wherever he can, after all they betrayed him. He donated to John Banks, and in eyes at the time, that would have been the same as donating to National.
                  Whether he wins seats or not, is immaterial, after one term he will disband the Party – too hard, no fun, and if he can escape the charges being brought by the C.I.A., then KDC will see it as a job well done.
                  I think he will genuinely seek to strengthen NZ’s broadband, after all a strong network is useful to him. I think he will also engage with a lot of the youth not currently being engaged by the mainstream political parties. That in itself is not a bad thing.

              • McFlock

                man-child is an excellent description – there was a british TV series of that name, bloody funny, but the lead characters have a lot in common with kdc.

  8. I feel zero sympathy for this creature

    A North Texas man who paid US$350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino said he’s had to hire full-time security due to death threats after his name was leaked onto the Internet.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11187897

    • are you a vegan marty..?

      ..or is it:..’kill rhino bad’..

      ..’kill cow good – me eat..!..’..

      ..is it the ‘endangered’ that riles you..?

      ..so if we had black rhinos thundering across the waikato in abundance..

      ..rhino-veal..?

      ..y’know..!..’cos the babies taste that much nicer..eh..?

      ..or are you one of those (small)-dicks with a gun..?

      ..whose grasping at masculinity must entail killing..?

      ..and you are saying you feel ‘zero sympathy’ for the rhinos..?

      ..yr statement made with such fervour .. is unclear..

      ..in a few areas..

      phillip ure..

      • marty mars 8.1.1

        fuck you dick

        not that I have to justify anything to you but…

        I haven’t eaten meat for over 33 years.

        as for the statement – it was deliberately ambiguous for fun and as a flytrap – looks like I caught one lol

        • phillip ure 8.1.1.1

          @ marty..

          //still guzzling down the bye-products tho..eh..?

          ..and as animal-welfare seems to be the issue you are arguing..

          ..pray tell the difference..?

          ..between eating the flesh..and eating the bye-products..?

          ..(that is if animal-welfare is a reason you haven’t eaten meat in 33 yrs..

          ..and you do know that most cheese has rennet in it..eh..?..as a binder..?

          ..and that rennet is processed calves’-guts..?

          ..you do know that..?

          ..so…

          ..as i said..what exactly is the difference..?

          phillip ure..

          • vto 8.1.1.1.1

            fluffy bunny syndrome

          • Zorr 8.1.1.1.2

            You should go for Vegan Pope

            You’ve got the self-righteous sanctimony nailed

            • weka 8.1.1.1.2.1

              Nah he should become a Breatharian. So much more scope for being a sanctimonious, pious git.

              • Zorr

                I’m a Level 5 Vegan – I won’t eat anything that casts a shadow

                • Chooky

                  worms?….chookies eat worms….does that mean you are a chook?

                  ….but worms are meat and have faces….so that must mean a level 5 Vegan eats dirt?

                • weka

                  “I’m a Level 5 Vegan – I won’t eat anything that casts a shadow”

                  Ok, well in that case anything you ever say about anything trumps phil every single time, because you are obviously the king of kings when it comes to ethics, and ethics are absolutely absolute, so you can never be wrong and all underlings must bow to your superior knowledge of rightness and wrongness, eh? :-)

                  Except, hang on, you realise that everytime you swallow you kill untold numbers of bacteria, drowning them in the cruel acid bath in your stomach?! Sorry mate, you will have to try harder.

              • heh..!.

                …weka…the green you have –

                - when you aren’t having a green..eh..?

                phillip ure..

            • phillip ure 8.1.1.1.2.2

              nuthin’ to with me..zorr..

              ..(deeply flawed creature..me..eh..?..definitely not pope-material..)

              ..it’s actually about the animals..eh..?

              ..those institutional-cruelties most care little about..

              ..and talk about even less..

              ..’cos they just want to feed their flesh-addiction..

              ..and often..people like marty..(who have (admirably) forsaken flesh..)

              ..aren’t even aware that the cheese they love so much..

              ..has calves’-guts in it..

              (so..essentially..they are still eating meat..how can they not be..?..)

              ..did you know that..?..about the calves-guts in cheese..?

              ..does that disturb you at all..?

              ..(and it’s also a health heads-up/alert..

              ..’cos both meat and dairy can give you cancer..)

              ..does that disturb you at all..?

              ..phillip ure..

              • BM

                Having a steak and cheese sandwich for lunch

                Woo Hooo, double cow.

                • @bm..can i suggest some shots of vodka with that..?

                  ..followed by a couple of ciggies..?

                  ..and then a big bowl of sugar ‘n fat marketed as ‘ice-cream’..?

                  ..seeing you are so resolutely marching down that particular ‘healthy-lunch’ road..

                  ..’woo-hoo’..eh..?..

                  .that’ll all have ya feeling really good..

                  ..eh..?

                  ..shame about yr bowel tho..eh..?

                  ..never mind..!..think/worry about that later..eh..?

                  phillip ure..

              • Zorr

                And oxygen causes irreversible damage to your body through natural mechanisms… something is always killing you and it’s just a question of how much risk you’re happy with and where you spend your “risk budget”

                And no, it doesn’t. Not in the least.

                The problem you face Philip is that you assume that because you have some small amount of knowledge that if someone else only knew what you knew, then they would change the way they live their life. In fact, what you end up doing is ignoring the way other people see the world in your single minded quest to set the world “right” and alienate anyone who might share some common viewpoints.

                I personally have issues with the way that Big Farming works and the inhumane treatment of stock in barns and cages and, as much as I can, I try to mitigate this by making informed and principled food purchasing decisions. This is something we could potentially agree on – if you weren’t such a radical extremist who is completely unwilling to accept other views of the world as tenable.

                • @ zorr..(snigger..!)..

                  ..do you (sometimes) buy organic/’free-range’-eggs….?

                  (btw..you do know that ‘free-range’ egg-peddlers..no matter how funky/down-home they may be..they still macerate..

                  ..you do know what macerating is..don’t you..?

                  ..i’d like to see you fit that reality into yr..’ informed and principled food purchasing decisions’..eh..?..)

                  pray tell us yr ‘ informed and principled food purchasing decisions’..

                  ..what criterea do you use..to make that (lofty) claim about yrslf..?

                  ..and yes..zorr..i am very aware that my arguing this case alienates most..

                  ..(some of whom who may support other arguments i present..and so overall..shutting up about that wd help my overall case..)

                  ..but..y’know..!

                  ..if my words/arguments/fact-presentations..cause one person to think..again..

                  ..and to stop hurting the fucken animals..(when they don’t need to..)

                  ..that outweighs all other considerations/priorities..

                  ..that’s just the way it is..

                  ..(and i’d swap all my other ’causes’..for serious movement on that one..)

                  ..so..

                  ..phillip ure..

                  • Zorr

                    I was going to write a giant post of the ways in which I am trying to reduce my footprint and make ethical choices for my philosophy – but then I realized that you wouldn’t actually read it. You’d just skim it for more opportunities to get your rant on regarding “animal cruelty” and “oh those poor fluffy bunnies”

                    You want to know something about fluffy bunnies? They taste good. I have spent many years developing my personal philosophy regarding life, the universe and everything and I’m not going to further waste my time now by trying to justify my eating choices to someone who isn’t even interested in listening.

                    I have known your type for too long. You will always claim that the choices you make are better and that there is always something more to be done to meet your personal goals. Guess what? I don’t share your goals and, from the sounds of it, no-one else here does and the more you open your mouth to distance yourself, the less likely anyone will.

                    • so..zorr..still just basically denying you are an addict..eh..?

                      …and were you to write..unlike yr claim..i wd read..as i am fascinated by the pretzel-shapes carnivorous-greens/(self-regarding)’ planet-carers’ twist themselves into..

                      ..to (try to) justify getting other people to torture/kill animals..just so they can eat their flesh/feed their addiction..

                      .and the selective-nature of their green-ness..eh..?

                      ..the rest of yr comment is just ad-homs..

                      ..and yes..i feel no need to apolgise for the ‘better choice’ of not eating flesh/animal-bye-products..

                      ..so yes..’I have known your type for too long’..

                      ..eh..?..

                      ..have you met metiria turei..?..co-leader of the greens..?

                      ..lover of wrapping body in dead-animal skins..?

                      ..and needing tissues to wipe the pig-fat from her lips..

                      ..i am sure you would have much in common..

                      ..in yr ‘green-ness’..

                      ..eh..?

                      phillip ure..

                    • Zorr

                      Wow… just… wow…

                      I don’t need to tie myself in pretzels. I like meat. I like the byproducts of the animals that produce my meat. I would like the meat that I eat to be treated as humanely as possible prior to it being horribly slaughtered and fed to me. And then, if possible, on top of that – I would like it to be farmed sustainably in such a way that the life cycle of the animal feeds positively back in to the ecosystem at the farm rather than stressing the environs.

                      All you reveal in that last diatribe is how bile-filled and poisonous your personal world view is. In all honesty, you scare me because you strike me as a very dangerous extremist because if your words here are any indication of your internal monologue…

                    • weka

                      Zorr, I think your last 3 comments are spot on. I would add too, that the knowledge that phil has is incomplete and highly selective and drenched in confirmation bias. This also prevents him from being able to discuss, explore and learn on these issues. A kind of ethical cul de sac, and very boring to boot.

                      Phil is a zealot. It’s the intellectual dishonesty that bothers me.

                      btw, phil, those aren’t ad hominems. They’re observations about how you argue here, which are entirely pertinent to the debate. You make ethical claims, but the way you make them ensures there can be no meaningful conversation about ethics and animals and life.

                    • @ zorr..

                      “..I would like the meat that I eat to be treated as humanely as possible prior to it being horribly slaughtered and fed to me..”

                      so..this is the extent of yr…’ informed and principled food purchasing decisions’.

                      …eh..?

                      summarising:..’if i like it..nothing else matters..’

                      ..right ho..!

                      ..heh..!

                      phillip ure..

                    • Zorr

                      I like meat. I have no moral qualms about killing and eating animals. I have thought about it and decided where my priorities and principles lie.

                      Your behavior is the most abusive that I have experienced on this site because engaging with you is like signing up to be punched in the face for breathing.

                      There is nothing anyone can say except “I agree phil, you are 100% correct” that will make you shut up and even then I suspect you’d find something wrong. Maybe they don’t format their diatribes similarly or something. Or not enough full stops… or something… whoar (should I add more full stops here or not?)

                      So yeah – you are completely unwilling to participate in honest discussion where it is necessary to accept that everyone is capable of engaging with the topic and have their own viewpoint on the issue.

                      I don’t know if this makes me masochistic… or stupid… or both… for continuing to engage with you…

                    • QoT

                      There is a type of person who chooses to engage in a difficult, denialist lifestyle and can only be made happy by ramming that lifestyle down everyone’s throats.

                      What’s interesting is that they’re unable to enjoy life, but hyper-focus on every additional self-hating day they can squeeze out of their mortal lifespans.

                      It’s like the super-rich who will never be able to spend every dollar they currently have, but are compelled to get more and more and more utterly useless wealth.

                      Of course, that’s their choice, I just wish they’d stop trying to fucking bully other people into joining their cult of life-denial.

                  • Chooky

                    what does ‘macerate’ mean?….my Mother has hens and they are very happy little hens , who scratch around in her garden every day ….and then go and lay eggs in the nest boxes…which my Mother collects and shares them around the family ….the chooks are happy and everyone is happy

                    btw phil ….I dont mind you going on and on about Veganism….it is quite interesting and i admire vegetarians and Vegans…..the only way you can change the world on this is to entice people into that way of eating and living….maybe 3 weeks holiday in Southern India would do it for some ie live on the beautiful cuisine there….maybe classes in schools etc on vegetarian/vegan cooking?….night classes will have to wait because Nact has killed them

                    • weka

                      Doesn’t matter Chooky, you are still evil in phil’s eyes, because there are no ethical choices to be made except being completely vegan. Which of course is a crock of shit, when you look at the damage that veganism does.

                    • @ chooky..

                      ..male chicks on all egg-farm.

                      ..even from those caring/sharing/free-range/farmers-market hippie-type ones…

                      ..are all fed into the macerator..

                      ..which grinds them up..

                      ..while they are still alive..(it makes a ‘zzzttt!!’-sound..as it eats them..eh..?..)

                      ..(you didn’t know that..?

                      ..was that still ‘sunny-sides-up’..?..)

                      phillip ure..

                    • weka

                      btw phil ….I dont mind you going on and on about Veganism….it is quite interesting and i admire vegetarians and Vegans…..the only way you can change the world on this is to entice people into that way of eating and living….maybe 3 weeks holiday in Southern India would do it for some ie live on the beautiful cuisine there….maybe classes in schools etc on vegetarian/vegan cooking?….night classes will have to wait because Nact has killed them

                      Problem is, being vegan, or even vegetarian, isn’t an ethical choice for most people if you take in the whole planet. Should we be considering only the welfare of the animals? Which animals? Is it all animals, or only the ones we deem important? How does AGW factor into this? What about the new emerging sciences that show an degree of complexity that equates to consciousness? How do we determine which life forms are worthy of our ethics and which aren’t?

                      What is ethical to eat is going to depend on where we live. Telling all the industrialised worlds to become vegan is akin to giving up on AGW mitigation. Eating vegan is highly polluting because of the reliance on monocropping and excessive food miles. It’s not hard to demonstrate the complexity of the ethics of eating, using veganism as an example. We just can’t do that with phil in the room.

                      My own btw is that I don’t have a problem with individuals who choose to be vegan. All power to them if it works. I do have a problem if they claim that they are the pinnacle of ethical choices, because that is just plainly incorrect.

                    • NZ Femme

                      Ditto @ chooky Re: Mum and happy hens with egg sharing. I have no idea what macerating means/is. The eggs are lovely though. Very yellow yolks.

                      Incidentally, a couple of the hens were “rescue” hens from a battery hen farm that were destined for the chop. They didn’t know what to do with themselves initially. They had to be taken out of the hen house in the morning because otherwise they would just sit inside all day. Same thing in the evening – pick them up and pop them back inside. After about two weeks they were up and about with the rest of the chooks scratching away happily.

                    • McFlock

                      macerator is basically a blender.
                      Pretty quick.

                      I’d prefer it over, for example, reading phil’s comments for twenty hours a day (a fate that seems almost equivalent to being in the audience of a Vogon poetry recital).

                    • Zorr

                      @weka – exactly

                      I have tried to raise this point multiple times to Phil in the past and every time got the same response. As I have always stated, veganism is a dietary choice that is only available to those in affluent nations because the required food infrastructure to support it is only available in such locations.

                    • NZ Femme

                      @ McFlock. Ok. Well, the only blender my mum owns is reserved for margaritas. And sometimes Pina Coladas if she’s feeling fancy.

                    • no weka..you aren’t ‘evil’..

                      ..on this subject..you are just ignorant..

                      ..and of course..you are an addict..

                      ..furiously writhing against the fact/realities of yr addiction..

                      ..(you should have heard me way-back…acting-out when it was suggested it might be better if i didn’t start each day with a hypodermic-syringe filled with a mix of heroin/cocaine..

                      ..’but..!..but..!..’..i spluttered…

                      ..it’s what i do..!..

                      ..and i’ve been doing it for so long..

                      ..i can’t imagine life without it..!’..)

                      ..addictions are funny like that..

                      ..denial is an essential ingredient in any happy addiction..

                      phillip ure..

                    • @..weka..

                      “..Problem is, being vegan, or even vegetarian, isn’t an ethical choice for most people if you take in the whole planet. ..”

                      ..unsure what you mean by that..the sentence doesn’t make any sense..

                      ..why is it not an ‘ethical-choice’..?..what stops it being that..?

                      “….Should we be considering only the welfare of the animals? Which animals? Is it all animals, or only the ones we deem important?..”

                      basically..eat none of them..or their bye-products..

                      ..why fuck around with ‘does it have eye of newt in it..?

                      ..i eat everything except etc etc..’”

                      “..How does AGW factor into this?..

                      ..well..the vegan-stool has three-legs..help yrsly..help the animals..help the planet..

                      ..are you seriously trying to suggest that raising meat is the most efficient use of land..?

                      ..seriously..?

                      ..got any facts/figures/links to back up that claim..?

                      ..’cos you and others have said that before..that vegan is worse than meat..’cos of mono-culturing’..?

                      ..what the fuck is meat..if not mono-cultering..?..(f.f.s..!..)

                      “.. What about the new emerging sciences that show an degree of complexity that equates to consciousness? How do we determine which life forms are worthy of our ethics and which aren’t?..”

                      it that the ‘but don’t vegetables cry when they are cut bullshit..?..

                      ..this setting a new benchmark in equivalence ..?..

                      “..What is ethical to eat is going to depend on where we live..”

                      is that the ‘but i am nanook of the north..!..i must eat whale-meat!’ excuse..?

                      ..seriously..?

                      ..got any examples..(that may pertain to what you do..?..not nanoo..?.. )

                      “..Telling all the industrialised worlds to become vegan is akin to giving up on AGW mitigation. Eating vegan is highly polluting because of the reliance on monocropping and excessive food miles..”

                      as noted above..complete and utter bullshit…

                      ..show us some stats/facts to prove me wrong..eh..?

                      ..instead of just repeating yr orifice-pluck..

                      ..phillip ure..

                    • McFlock

                      for someone who doesn’t use animal by-products, you certainly seem to have an inexhaustible supply of bullshit.

                    • qot (above) get’s quote of the thread..

                      ..being a vegan is ‘a cult of life-denial’..

                      ..hilarious..!

                      ..now..that can have two meanings..

                      ..and both ‘deliver’..

                      1)..i wd think that killing animals to eat them is a tad more ‘life-denying’..than being a vegan..eh..?..heh..!

                      (just saying..!..)

                      ..or..2)..you are positing that a life be hardly worth living..

                      ..without pig-fat running down yr chin..(can be said in accent of choice..)

                      ..and that my life must be devoid of any ‘fun’..’cos i don’t do pig-fat..

                      ..you are about as fucken evolved as a mollusc..eh..?

                      ..but funny with it..eh..?

                      ..i’m laughing like a fucken drain here..

                      ..chrs 4 the belly-maasage..

                      ..phillip ure..

                    • Zorr

                      @phillip

                      Why is it that only females have pig fat running down their chins? So far you have only used that phrase twice… once when mentioning Metiria Turei and now when addressing QoT. The implications are… disturbing…

                      You don’t listen to others. You don’t respect others opinions. Yet somehow you have gotten us all to try engage with you. Congratulations on epic troll threads – because that is all you are.

                    • QoT

                      Don’t misquote me, phillip. I didn’t say veganism was a cult of life-denial. But fuck knows you act like it is.

                    • @ qot..

                      ..how exactly was i ‘miss-quoting’ you..

                      “..There is a type of person who chooses to engage in a difficult, denialist lifestyle and can only be made happy by ramming that lifestyle down everyone’s throats.

                      What’s interesting is that they’re unable to enjoy life, but hyper-focus on every additional self-hating day they can squeeze out of their mortal lifespans..”

                      ..was that not addressed to/at me..?

                      ..if not me..who..?

                      phillip ure..

                    • McFlock

                      I was actually going to have a pretty small dinner tonight, no cooking and maybe bread would be the only thing phil could judge me on.

                      Fuck it.
                      I’m gonna buy a steak.

                    • QoT

                      Phillip, you used quotation marks to imply that I said “being a vegan” was the same as being part of a life-denying cult.

                      This is incorrect, because (a) that’s not what I said and (b) I am talking about *you*. Not all vegans. Just you and your constant nasty jibes at people who you get a boner browbeating with your moral superiority.

                      And I’m nice enough to not assume all vegans are pushy shits like you.

                    • you know the funny thing about you..qot..?

                      ..on so many subjects you set yrslf up as the arbiter of standards etc..eh..?

                      ..and hector others/lessr-beings for perceived failures..

                      ..how do you carry around the motes in yr eyes on this subject..eh..?

                      ..they must be so heavy..

                      ..you bang on about oppression..

                      ..but clearly have no problems with animals being tortured/killed..

                      ..just so you can eat them..

                      ..(are you at all aware of the horrors they suffer..?

                      ..how about you stop just fucken thinking about yrslf for five minutes..

                      ..you sound just like a whining/bleeting/self-pitying fucken junkie..

                      ..i’ve seen enough of them to know onw when it pops up..

                      ..you..quot..are an addict..

                      ..you are addicting to animal-flesh/bye-products..

                      ..they will likely give you fucken cancer..

                      ..and just me pointing out the news that both meat and dairy cause cancer..

                      ..sends you into a spewing/cursing rage..

                      ..just ad hominems..you and that fucken claytons green weka..just fuken ad homs..thru this whole thread..

                      ..but that’s ok..readers can see yr words..they can make their own judgements..

                      ..and just a fucken fact/reality check for you..

                      ..i do a news-aggregation website..

                      ..the news came thru on the 27th of december that for the first time..it can be stated clearly..

                      ..that dairy can give you cancer..

                      ..should i not have fucken told you all..?

                      ..i am only the messanger here..eh..?

                      ..trying to give you a heads-up that you might be giving yrslves/yr children..fucken cancer..

                      ..do i deserve this spewing fucken abuse for doing that..?

                      ..are you such a blind fucken.in denial addict..

                      ..that you just don’t care..?

                      ..are you really that fucken stupid..?

                      ..phillip ure…

                    • Zorr

                      “Phillip enters frothing rage. More news at 11″

                      I find it amusing how he has been criticized by almost everyone in this thread but he still continues to single out the identified females (QoT and weka) within his comments and doesn’t pull the same shit with myself, McFlock or marty mars.

                      Anyway, it has been amusing to watch an extremist vegan descend in to rabid frothing extremist crazy.

                      Hey Phil, PETA’s on the line – they’ve got a few jobs for you.

                      One of my rules for life – never trust an extremist… on either side.

                    • McFlock

                      ..you are addicting to animal-flesh/bye-products..

                      ..they will likely give you fucken cancer..

                      Are you seriously claiming that >50% of people who eat meat or byproducts will get cancer as a result?

                      Because the one article you indirectly brought up about meat and cancer sure as shit didn’t say that.

                    • weka

                      “..just ad hominems..you and that fucken claytons green weka..just fuken ad homs..thru this whole thread..”

                      Lolz, ok, that’s actually quite funny.

              • @ phil
                yeah well while you were still fisting the KFC in dick I was forsaking the flesh and now you, who have seen the light (well done you – slow clap indeed) after so much pig-fat and chicken-fat has graced your lips and fingertips, can go all sanctimonious because you’ve seen the light eh? You have a long way to go and your born-again preaching is funny from someone who used to salivate so much when the sizzle of pig and chicken fat went on the barbie eh?

                • yes..marty..i was raised on meat/veg etc..

                  ..and i used to sallivate over the smell of meat..

                  ..(the smell of smack cooking in a spoon (a unique odor..that i can still summon up..so many years later..)..will also do that for a heroin-addict..eh..?

                  ..which is my point..meat/dairy consumption is an addiction..

                  ..(when the idea of stopping something sends you into a panic/cold-sweat..and you crave..

                  ..and you suffer withdrawals..?

                  ..these are the benchmarks of addiction..)

                  ..can you not see that..?

                  ..there are no other food-groups..that if you were told caused cancer..that you wouldn’t drop in a shot..

                  ..but you are addicted/you are an addict..

                  ..which explains the overwrought-reactions to having this reality pushed up into yr (and other(s) face(s)..

                  ..and re yr timeline-claims..

                  ..we both stopped eating flesh at about the same time..(and good on you..!..most vegetarians are there for the best of reasons..(be they be health/animal-welfare/save the planet)..

                  ..and i have nothing to say against those motivations..

                  ..it is usually/often a matter of awareness/knowledge..

                  ..like i noted earlier..many vegetarians would not know the cheese they love so much/are addicted to.. has calves’-guts in it..so they are still eating animal-flesh..it’s just been hidden in the cheese..)

                  ..and i stopped eating the cheese/animal-bye-products about 15 yrs ago..

                  ..and when vegetarian..i thought vegans were ‘a bit weird’/taking things ‘a bit too far’..

                  ..and you know how not eating flesh makes/made you feel better..?

                  ..the benefits in personal well-being from making that final severing of the animal-product dependency..

                  ..far outweighs the benefits from going from carnivore to dairy-dependent vego..

                  ..i thought you (and other vegetarians) should know that..

                  ..phillip ure..

                  • “..and i have nothing to say against those motivations..”

                    Funny, that is not what you said in your initial response to my post above – try being honest phil instead of pretending

                    All vegetarians that I have met know about rennet ffs

                    Your wee crusade to turn everyone vegan is just based on your own guilt and the sooner you front up to that the sooner you will grow up into the potential human you could be – until then, sadly, you are living in a deluded paradise in that steel and concrete city you call home

                    • “..All vegetarians that I have met know about rennet ffs..”

                      so why don’t you just eat veal..?

                      ..what is the fucken difference..?

                      ..(when as a vegatarian i found that out..i only ever ate rennet-free..(i think!..)

                      ..and ‘heh..!..’guilt’..?

                      ..whoar..!..i was raised a catholic..so have institutional-guilt built in..eh..?

                      ..but no..i don’t feel my ‘wee crusade’ is based on ‘guilt’ from past carnivorous-endeavours..eh..?

                      ..like i said..

                      ..i want the torture/killing of all those animals to stop..it’s as simple as that..

                      ..(the cancer-causing/planet-killing factors are less..tho’ still strong..)

                      ..and it’s a big task/ask..i know..(as my efforts here prove..)

                      ..but i’ll just keep on plugging away..

                      ..’cos..y’know what..?

                      ..everyday there are more vegans..

                      ..not less..

                      ..and this is all good..

                      ..(and the cancer-causing news about dairy..will just hasten that process/progress..)

                      ..get on the right side of history..eh marty..?

                      phillip ure..

                    • dick this is what you wrote to my post about the irony of the rhino killer feeling a bit uneasy being on the wrong end of the gun

                      are you a vegan marty..?..or is it:..’kill rhino bad’….’kill cow good – me eat..!..’….is it the ‘endangered’ that riles you..?..so if we had black rhinos thundering across the waikato in abundance….rhino-veal..?..y’know..!..’cos the babies taste that much nicer..eh..?..or are you one of those (small)-dicks with a gun..?..whose grasping at masculinity must entail killing..?..and you are saying you feel ‘zero sympathy’ for the rhinos..?..yr statement made with such fervour .. is unclear….in a few areas..

                      see, you went off half cocked so that you could try to be the big internet man – I call that visible low self esteem.

                      Frankly I just don’t believe your “I care about the animals” lines – from what i have seen your ego elbows everything else out the way. As I said way up top – flytrap meet fly.

                  • Chooky

                    philip ure …just being practical here….why dont you go into the fast food vegan business and create a vegan sausage ( with vegan casing of course!) to throw on the barbecue?…it could be a big hit like ‘Pics peanut butter’…i have often tried to find such sausages to feed vegetarian people at barbecues but there dont seem to be any around

                    …horrible about all the little boy chicks going into the mincer…but I think they are developing new ways of putting them painlessly to sleep….still horrible,….once upon a time the roosters used to get the chop ( after growing up and making a pest of themselves)…this was before chicken became a multi-national multi billion dollar food business

                    keep fighting but watch it!…. all the meat eaters might come after you with a big hatchet

                    • @ chooky..

                      ..i’ve got the recipies/cooks..

                      ..i just need financing for that one..

                      ..(i also have a fairly well-honed healthy/tasty fast-food chain model to hand..)

                      ..i would love to be involved in practically-supplying ‘tasty’ solutions to the problems i highlight..

                      ..and that is a goldmine..

                      ..good quality/’easy’/tasty vegan food..

                      ..in part..because everyone can eat them..

                      ..so build a ‘brand’ that can be trusted..for content..and quality..

                      ..have a strong ethical-base..(part of cost to go to enviro-projects..etc..

                      ..and you will both make a fortune..

                      ..and be doing something really really fucken good…eh..?

                      (..that safe for all is one of the arguments i used to put to the green party..to get them to stop having fucken bbq’s..(i failed..)

                      ..(could that be more of an irony-free-zone..?..a green party/greenpeace bbq..eh..?..whoar..!..)

                      ..namely..that anyone could then be invited to a green party function..

                      ..and they could eat question/offence-free..

                      (how could that be more

                      ..and as far as quality vegan food is concerned..

                      ..that also applies to most of society..

                      ..minds are much more open to it now..(especially compared with only a couple of years ago..

                      ..(it is ‘on the table’..as it were..)

                      ..and that is most cheering..

                      ..(and..)

                      ..sorry to be the bearer of bad news….but..

                      “..but I think they are developing new ways of putting them painlessly to sleep…”

                      ..nah..!..eh..?..the macerator is a really really cheap kill..eh..?

                      ..just the electricity to run it..and a bit of oil for the macerating parts every now and then..

                      ..hard to get cheaper than that..

                      ..and that is the fact(or) with every aspect of these foul industries..(pun intended..).

                      ..is all down to the bottom-line/profit/cost..

                      ..but times are changing..

                      ..and this too will change..

                      ..phillip ure..

                    • Chooky

                      reply philip ure

                      well you should start this fast food Vegan business..’.Ure’s Vegan sausages’…to begin with..(.if I had any money i would invest in it…)…you need a big mincer for a start off….and you could trial it in your garage (as i think the pic’s peanut butter guy did and the vodka 40 degrees below man did…lots of businesses start off in a shed)

                      if I were to make a vegan sausage it would be ….beans/lentils/chickpeas , brown rice, cocoanut oil , tumeric or cumin,…and a little chillie or curry flavour, and maybe a little salt, brown sugar or molasses….all through the mincer…i am not sure what one would do for the casing

                      once the recipe is perfected you ask Mr Dot Com for some finance ( ha ha)…i have met a few German vegetarians…it could be a big hit!

                    • sounds tasty chooky..

                      ..we could call it the ‘chooky’..?..

                      ..hang on..!..maybe not..

                      ..phillip ure..

                  • Tim

                    If I may say so @ Phil (in the nicest possible way) – its all becoming a bit ridiculous now. Even the ex-junkie thing is bordering on “the only gay in the village”.
                    I think we may share a similar dim distant past (in my case until about 21 with extremel infrequent lapses) – and although (like me) you may have overcome your addiction(s) – the obsessive/compulsive shit is alive and well and becoming tedious to most others in here.
                    If the aim is to CHANGE them all – it ain’t gonna work.
                    For Christ sakes – worry about yourself! Preaching is very unattractive.

                    • “..Even the ex-junkie thing is bordering on “the only gay in the village..”

                      heh..!

                      ..that’s funny..!

                      phillip ure..

                    • Tim

                      Again – no reply button – so this is to Phill

                      ““..Even the ex-junkie thing is bordering on “the only gay in the village..”

                      heh..!

                      ..that’s funny..!

                      phillip ure..”

                      ….. yep – well you know what I mean.
                      Only because I know there appear to be a shitload of commenters on here that are in full agreement with you on most other issues (of course there are others that t – roll in and out to exercise their egos from time to time).

                      Ekshly … I suspect we may have met in passing …. ‘cept you’d be more of my brother’s vintage and ‘circulation’ somewhere in the past.

                      Keep safe!
                      xoxoxox

                  • Chooky

                    @ philip…just trying to be helpful …..you seem to be ‘flogging a dead horse’ on this site( McFlock has already gone for the steak)….so I think ‘Ure’s Vegan sausages’ …….is the way for you to go…where to put your energies (lol) … provide food and sustenance for the already converted

                    …(and no you are quite right ….the word chooky does not go with veganism)

                    • McFlock

                      had eggs too :)

                      no offence…

                    • Adele

                      Kiaora Chooky

                      “Ure’s Vegan Sausages”

                      In Te Reo Māori ure means penis. Perhaps a rebranding for the vegan sausage is in order.

                      Although, why would a vegan make anything to look like a sausage as the only reason sausages are shaped as they are is that traditionally the casings were made from the intestines of animals.

                    • NZ Femme

                      Adele, your comment, it’s…well..it’s gold. :)

                    • Chooky

                      @ Kiaora Adele…..lol ….that is interesting …..maybe a renaming is in order!!!! ha ha….could put Vegans off their vegan sausages

                      I wonder if phil knows this about ‘ure’ ….philip the penis….maybe he needs to change his name too! ( but being a Catholic….maybe he does know !……lol)

                    • @ adele..of course i know that..

                      …(i actually think it is quite funny..

                      ..and have often joked about it..(my ancestors from scotland should have turned right..and gone to australia/’i have been called that a few times in the life..(and probably deserved it..)’….etc..etc..)

                      ..and i enjoy being introduced to to reo speakers..

                      ..i watch their faces/eyes as they digest (excuse the pun) my sirname..

                      ..i have only had one laugh outright into my face..(heh..!)..

                      ..and should i need consolation over this..

                      ..i can also turn to the alternate meaning in te reo..

                      ..which is ‘power’..

                      ..’phillip power’ it is..!..(i like it..!..)

                      ..and funny story..!

                      ..the waima river used to be called the ure river..

                      ..eh..?

                      ..(i wonder what brought about that change..do any historians reading this know..?..

                      ..was it an attack of blue-stocking prurience..?..

                      ..when those missionaries/settlers realised they were living on/around..the penis-river..?

                      ..inquiring minds want to know..

                      ..and if that is the case..

                      ..i think a campaign should be started..

                      ..to restore the original/te reo name to that river..

                      ..eh..?..)

                      phillip ure..

                    • Chooky

                      …and philip is derived from lover of horse

                      From the Greek name Φιλιππος (Philippos) which means “friend of horses”, composed of the elements φιλος (philos) “friend, lover” and ‘ιππος (hippos) “horse”.

                      philip’s Ure vegan sausages…….horse lover power penis vegan sausages.!…..lol….and a marketing disaster!?

                    • the river is a real sweetie..

                      ..that river ure..

                      http://www.marlboroughonline.co.nz/index.mvc?ArticleID=66

                      phillip ure..

                    • Chooky

                      @phillip ure …damage is done….dont try and change the subject……more on the ‘Ure Vegan sausage’ name ….a marketing disaster ….except perhaps for the Chinese who may love it as an aphrodisiac instead of rare endangered tigers and other endangered wild species

                    • Adele

                      Kiaora Phil

                      The power that you speak of is associated with ‘potency.’ No point having an ure if it can’t produce the goods. Whakapapa is the source of our strength.

                      There is a place called Urenui, which still exists. Apparently, the name relates to a big chief, who was hugely endowed, tripoding his way through the rohe. Nui means big.

          • marty mars 8.1.1.1.3

            lol are you thick phil? to be making so many judgements based on what? Just remember when you were skulling the meat (and salivating like a hungry dog at the stench of fried pig and chicken fat) from the leg-bones of factory farmed chickens I wasn’t – makes you think that eh? Do you think you’re balancing out your karma somehow after all those long long years where you doggsihly gnawed on flesh? Do you think the animals you digested have forgotten?

      • McFlock 8.1.2

        Cows aren’t endangered.

        Although the entire concept of the auction is a bit like Make a Wish auctioning the right to hit one of the kids.

        • weka 8.1.2.1

          “Cows aren’t endangered.”

          In phil’s world, the individual animal you can relate to at the fluffy bynny level is more important than the species. That’s why many hardcore vegans are against pest control and would rather see bird species in NZ go extinct from stoats and possums, than have those stoat and possum populations controlled. That might be why he missed that his comparison between rhino and cows was nonsensical. Or it might just be that he has no logic where this is concerned.

          • McFlock 8.1.2.1.1

            Ah.

            Doesn’t he know that cows are dicks? All the other animals call them “big grass-eating jerks”, whereas rhinos are universally regarded as the nice guys of the savannah.

            If other animals had guns, they’d shoot cows too.

          • phillip ure 8.1.2.1.2

            @ weka..(ignoring the ad homs..)

            i concede the possum/stoat thing is ‘a rock and a hard place’..for most vegans..(esp if there for animal-welfare reasons..)

            ..and that is no different for me..

            ..i have thought about this one a bit..

            ..and feel a sterilising-drug would be the humane way to tackle the problem..

            ..the problem would be under control in one generation..

            ..(and certainly not leaving them to slowly die..with limbs crushed/trapped in jaw-toothed traps..

            ..which is one of the current ‘solutions’..one both cruel..and ultimately ineffective to a large degree..

            ..whereas a ‘drop’ of a sterilising drug.. in something tasty..

            ..would target large areas/numbers of possums..

            ..hope that clarifies that..

            (for other readers..weka..you are just a foil in all this..eh..?

            .(you do know/realise that..?..no..?..not yet..?.)

            ..so..curse/ad hom on..

            ..give it yr best shot..eh..?)

            ..phillip ure..

            • Zorr 8.1.2.1.2.1

              Please enlighten as to what kind of sterilizing drug you would use and how you would ensure it would sterilize any possums that ate it?

              Add in to that this little factoid:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_(medicine)#Pharmacological

              It may be Wiki but it is still relevant.

              Once again proving you live in some strange world of fantasy where even your answers to current issues require technology that is yet to be discovered.

              • @ sterilising possums..

                ..there is work being done on this..

                ..so it is hardly a ‘fantasy”..

                ..and wki..eh..?..going for the cutting-edge stuff..eh..?

                i would suggest increased-funding be put into that task of refining a sterilising-agent….

                ..not an unreasonable suggestion..?

                ..got a better idea..?

                ..napalm..?

                phillip ure..

                • McFlock

                  1080 works

                • Zorr

                  I’m with McFlock – 1080 or a slug. Either one is good.

                  Also, I’m not going to invest extra time when Wiki is good enough. There are plenty of things being currently “worked on” that would easily fall in to the realm of “fantasy”…

                  Such as cold fusion.

                  The point here is that you are suggesting solutions that, as of yet, don’t exist. That doesn’t really make them a solution.

                  I love how your argument style is to automatically go to the most far out suggestion when there are plenty of techniques already in use that are perfectly workable.

                  • weka

                    1080 isn’t a good long term solution either. We can do better than this.

                    • McFlock

                      definitely treatment rather than cure.
                      And there’s what the yanks like to call “collateral damage”.

                      But at least it exists.

                    • weka

                      I didn’t mean that (I don’t think we are smart enough to come up with a cure that doesn’t have significant side effects). I meant that the wholesale, whack ‘em with poison, bugger the collateral damage mentality, is not leading us to sustainable solutions long term. We need to develop a meat and fur industry, one that actually works and is based on sustainability principles rather than being profit driven niche marketing.

                    • Chooky

                      If my facts are correct…..1080 is banned in Oregon….in many states of USA it is rarely or very selectively used……NZ takes 80% of the entire USA production of 1080…and USA is the only country in the world to produce 1080

                      ….so NZ plasters 80% of the worlds production of 1080 over our ‘pristine’ land

                      imo it is exterminating the kea, which is now an endangered species

      • Daveosaurus 8.1.3

        The difference you seem to be missing is that the Western black rhinoceros is now extinct. The domesticated cow does not seem to be in any imminent danger of extinction.

        Otherwise, that part of me which thinks that Colin Craig should but the hell out of consenting adults’ bedrooms, is also thinking that you would be better off butting the hell out of consenting adults’ dinner tables.

        • phillip ure 8.1.3.1

          @ dave..

          ..well..ya see dave…

          ..it’s bigger than just you or me..eh..?

          ..and funny-story..!

          ..this battle to end the slavery/killings of animals so so echoes the struggle against slavery..

          ..the two biggest arguments thrown back at the abolitionists then..

          ..was that:..it’s impossible..!..our whole economy is based on slavery..!..are you trying to wreck the country?..’

          (any of that sound familiar..?..)

          and of course what you touch on with yr admonition to ‘butt the hell out of consenting adults dinner tables’..

          ..namely:..’but we all do it/use slaves..!’…

          ..much as most just (unthinkingly) eat animal-flesh..

          ..with not a thought/concern passing through their heads of the horrible suffering behind that piece of flesh/blood/fat they are chewing on..

          ..’we all do it..!’..

          (any of that sound familiar..?..)

          ..animals are the modern-day slaves..

          ..and they suffer much worse than those human slaves did..

          ..and this is what i and many others are fighting to stop..

          ..to end this modern-day slavery..

          ..and bad news it may be..that dairy causes cancer..

          ..but it will hasten this process..

          ..and so far..to my eyes..

          ..flick-director james cameron ( vegan) is showing the/a way for our future…

          ..he has bought huge dairy-holdings in the wairarapa..

          ..and is converting them back into growing real food..

          ..and i tip my hat to him for that..

          ..we have to get rid of the mono-culture of meat/dairy..

          ..(as essentially..we are exporting cancer/death..from our animal concentration camps/factories of unbelievable horror/slaughterhouses/charnal-houses..

          ..and that has to change..

          ..and james cameron is showing the way..)

          phillip ure..

  9. tricledrown 9

    Marty Mars
    Karma is a bastard.
    Now he knows what the Rhino has to put up with.
    Instead of hunting the Rhino and Now having to pay for security .
    It would be easier just to put out a media statement saying I am not going to shoot thr Rhino but I am going to donate the money .problem solved.

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      Electricity needs to be more specific. Transport fuel and fossil fuels for thermal will drop that number a bit.

    • joe90 10.2

      And the good people of Hamburg have had enough.

      Vattenfall has a 74.9 percent stake in the electricity grid company, Stromnetz Hamburg, while the remaining 25.1 percent belongs to the German city.

      “The value of the entire electricity grid company has preliminarily been agreed at €550 million euros,” the Swedish company said. “However, both parties have agreed on a minimum value of €495 million.”

      The transaction was a result of a popular initiative launched in 2010 by a pressure group which included environmentalists, consumer organisations, unions and local churches.

      In a referendum held last September, 50.9 percent voted in favour, while the Social Democratic mayor and the Christian Democratic Union, Germany’s largest party, had campaigned for a no-vote.

      http://www.thelocal.de/20140116/hamburg-buys-its-energy-grid-back-for-400-million

    • grumpy 10.3

      OK, but they still have thermal backup for that 50%. That needs to be kept in a complete state of readiness. Have you looked at electricity pricing in Denmark?

      In most of Denmark it is illegal to use electricity for home heating, better to burn gas instead.

      • Draco T Bastard 10.3.1

        In most of Denmark it is illegal to use electricity for home heating, better to burn gas instead.

        [citation needed]

      • McFlock 10.4.1

        “part” of what?
        It would appear that your article’s 3 year old prediction of doom has been contradicted by a three day old announcement of record supply.

  10. Rosie 11

    Apart from Crusherles “slaughtering sacred cows” I know day to day ACC services aren’t issue du jour. However I thought I’d follow up on that chat the other day about full funding for physio rehab sessions.

    I emailed Iain Lees- Gallowway and cc’d Kevin Haugue, both opposition spokespeople for ACC.

    I asked whether full funding would be reinstated and put my reasoning forward for why it should be. I also informed them of my personal experience of the loss of full funding and how detrimental this has been to my recovery.

    I received a reply the next day from Iain Lees Galloway and basically the answer is NO but it may be considered. I guess they don’t want to sound too closed to an idea that would benefit the public, in an election year. I was hoping for a YES though. This made me think of CV’s reply when he said something along the lines of no party being likely to restore full funding. Disappointing if this is the case. Really disappointing.

    Reply below:

    “I don’t think we will make a specific pre-election policy about funding for physiotherapy. But we are certainly keen to ensure everyone gets access to the treatment they need and will consider the merits of restoring full funding for physiotherapy and weigh that against other matters that need attention such as making sure more claims are accepted overall, making sure people are really able to go back to work before compensation is stopped and giving people the home help that they need. Obviously, we have been convinced of the value of fully funding physiotherapy in the past and if the evidence remains as strong it will be considered”.

    • Bearded Git 11.1

      Stopping the physio gravy train is about the only thing I agree with this government on Rosie.

      • Rosie 11.1.1

        What do you mean by “stopping the physio gravy train” Bearded Git?

        • joe90 11.1.1.1

          During the nineties I had 24 treatment sessions over two years for a work related neck problem and because my employer allowed me to attend during work hours those treatments were recorded on my time sheet.
          A couple of years later an ACC investigation showed that she had claimed for at least one session a week over that two year period so off to court she went.

          • Rosie 11.1.1.1.1

            Hi joe90. I had heard from CV the other day of physio’s who were scamming the system. (Sorry yours was one of them!) and from that I took that was the reason that charges were introduced, or should I say, sessions were no longer fully funded.

            But this is no way to deal with with scammers! Patients get punished for the crimes of their physio’s, and that is wrong. All it does is reduce patients access to treatment.

            I’m not fully convinced that the National Government reduced the subsidies simply because they wanted to make up for the loss, or as a way of controlling physio’s less than moral behaviour. It seems like an all too easy and convenient excuse when if they were fully supportive of the aims of ACC they would have instead introduced some way of monitoring physio’s client ACC claims, and ensure it was a tight scam proof system.

            Iain Lees-Galloway’s response left me feeling a little puzzled ( as well as disappointed) as to why they wouldn’t reinstate full funding. Morally, injured folk can’t just be left to suffer because they can’t afford to attend their physio appointments. I thought they would get that.

      • BM 11.1.2

        I agree.

        Physio’s can cause more harm than good.
        Really need to go back to the old system of doctor referrals.

    • karol 11.2

      Thanks, Rosie. There are some positives in the reply – accepting more claims. I’ve heard a lot of stories of people being refused any treatment, necessary surgery, etc; Not sending people back to work too early – my experience is that they focus too much on returning people to work, don’t take into account the impact of severe injuries on general well-being, and look more to getting people back to work as soon as, rather than looking at what’s best for the individual.

      But ACC currently also tend to try to limit physiotherapy as much as possible, regardless of whether people actually need it.

      No reply from Hague?

      • Rosie 11.2.1

        Hi karol, no reply from Hague as yet.

        Yes, I did see some positives in the reply but got the feeling that they may possibly be at the expense of other services. I did like the sentence “making sure people really are able to go back to work before compensation is stopped”.

        And I have also had the same experience as you previously. It’s all about work work work. They need to take a more holistic approach to the rehab for full and genuine recovery to happen, and to help prevent further occurrences in the future.

        • Will@Welly 11.2.1.1

          I got a better response when Andrew Little was the ACC spokesperson. Because you cc’d Kevin Hague, it usually takes a week or so longer for a response, than a direct approach. But you should get one. I’ve always found Kevin very good to deal with.

  11. Bearded Git 12

    The climate change disaster rolls inexorably on. This from the Graun today:

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/15/bp-predicts-greenhouse-emissions-rise-third

  12. captain hook 13

    I see dotcondom has resiled from his party party.
    He thinks he can take what he wants and use the ill gotten gains to buy anything or anybody.
    No. And its not his internet either. Everybody inlcuding him has to pay to use it and abide by the rules but somehow he thinks he is above it all.
    Him and wail boil together.
    Well pride comes before a fall and both of them are due for it.

  13. Plan B 14

    With Au Pair Link you also have access to 20 Hours ECE and WINZ childcare subsidies.!

    Does anybody know how this works- it looks a lot like another ‘capture by rich people’ If so I would have thought it worth going after.
    It is ‘red queen race’ stuff we have to keep on working because otherwise they will run the whole place for their own interests only

  14. Draco T Bastard 15

    So, according to the MSM business confidence is up in NZ. Meanwhile, across the ditch with one of our major trading partners, business confidence is taking a slide.

    The research found a significant decline in positive feelings about the direction of the economy in the next 12 months and next five years. There was also a small drop in the number of businesses planning to expand their businesses in the next 12 months.

    • Colonial Viper 15.1

      I’m thinking that the last half of this year is going to be a rather ugly nose dive…for many it will be just more of the same…

  15. idlegus 16

    david farrar made a joke about the tragedy in st leonards on his facebook page? jeez those righties are such ugly, despicable people.

  16. captain hook 17

    especially farrar.
    no amount of weight loss will ever disguise that fact.

  17. Meg 18

    LMAO, I have just been blocked from posting on Whale Oil for slamming him on his Len Brown coverage.

    How hilarious!!

  18. Pascal's bookie 19

    This is pretty funny, all things considered:

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/01/selection-season-upon-us/#more-123334

  19. amirite 20

    Re the vegan-vegetarian vs.carnivore/omnivore debate:

    http://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html

    • weka 20.1

      Thanks, that was interesting. I would add that those humans would have been eating the whole animal, not just the bits we eat today. Most of the anti-meat arguments are based on theories and research of eating modern diets, not historical ones.

    • @ amrite..

      ..seriously..?..yr link..?

      ..what a ‘crock’..!

      ..(best summed up in a comment @ the foot..(see..i did read it..)

      “..Obviously addicted to eating meat , what a load of crock.. if humans were meant to eat meat they would have a fixed jaw like a dog shorter intestine like a carnivor teeth like a shark instead of molars.. besides the biggest animals on the planet are all vegetarians… go figure!..”

      phillip ure..

    • John W 20.3

      amirite
      with due respect.
      Junk science – there is heaps of it.
      The summary is full of suppositions cascaded to illogical conclusions.
      eg. B12 levels.

      Who really funds this stuff which ignores so much evidence.

      A lot of reductionist findings often are not viewed in the bigger picture, which is always more complex and dependent on a wide perspective of understanding.

      The leading killers in Western diet appear to be heart/circulatory related disease ( including cerebral conditions including stroke ); and cancer.

      This pattern is not observed for various reasons, in populations that eat few animal products; ,but a major reason being diet.

  20. Jan 21

    Has anyone read the overheated comments Chris Trotter came out with today on the subject of the amendment to Section 59?
    Sheeesh – I don’t think he likes children!

    • Jackal 21.1

      I must say that although Trotter’s article raises a few interesting points, it is at times factually incorrect. Unfortunately this sentence is particularly misleading:

      It is, however, a crucial element of Mr Craig’s naïve political genius to instinctively “get” that the anti-smacking legislation owes nothing at all to the will of the people and everything to the unshakeable convictions of a self-righteous minority. Those who bridle at this characterisation would no doubt also dismiss the judgement of the 87.4 percent of voters who in 2009 answered “No.” to the Citizens Initiated Referendum question: “Should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?”

      What the pro-smackers still fail to understand is that the law change wasn’t concerned with a smack as part of good parental correction. It was instead concerned with parents and caregivers getting away with severe injuries and sometimes the death of children. To quote Wikipedia:

      (The amendment) removed the legal defence of “reasonable force” for parents prosecuted for assault on their children.

      If the citizens-initiated referendum was worded correctly to relate to what the actual law change proposed, it should have said something like this:

      Should a parent or caregiver be able to injure or kill a child and get away with it because of a loophole within the current law?

      Any sane person would answer NO to this question, which along with his ridiculous claims concerning the moon landing etc clearly shows that Collin Craig isn’t fit to be a politician.

      • Jan 21.1.1

        Precisely – and passed by most of the MPs on both sides of the House who had access to the facts, not the beat-ups of an immoral and self-interested press.
        People with money and good lawyers were getting away with horse-whipping their children. At the end of the day, all the legislation did was to provide children with the same level of protection as animals

      • Draco T Bastard 21.1.2

        Should a parent or caregiver be able to injure or kill a child and get away with it because of a loophole within the current law?

        It wasn’t a loophole, it was a specific legal defense and the Greens and Labour should have been shouting that from the roof tops.

        • Jan 21.1.2.1

          Hard, if not impossible to talk sense in the face of all the heated rhetoric that was flying about. Plenty of people said it, but it’s a different story getting someone to put it into print. It was a very sensationalist topic which provided a feeding frenzy – there was a lot more heat than light on the topic, and many newspaper editors, journalists and commentators should hang their heads in shame

          • Jackal 21.1.2.1.1

            +1 It’s pretty shameful that certain publications perpetuated such a blatant untruth that essentially advocated for parents and caregivers to continue getting away with grievous bodily harm and child murder. It’s also a bit shameful that such a large amount of the New Zealand public was too stupid to realise that they were being lied to. It’s highly shameful that Collin Craig is now trying to use the publics continued misunderstanding about the so-called “anti-smacking bill” to try and gain support for the Creepy Conservatives. Somebody should let him know that being able to beat children to death and get away with it is only a tradition in a sick society.

        • phillip ure 21.1.2.2

          @ draco..yeah..they did a terrible job of selling that one..

          ..almost up there with the job the greens did selling/promotion of the medical marijuana bill..

          ..(they went for the stunned-silence approach there..eh..?

          ..it didn’t work that well..)

          phillip ure..

          • phillip ure 21.1.2.2.1

            i just gave my vegan dogs a late night/supper treat..

            ..toasted ciabatta-buns with jam and peanut on them..’

            ..most appreciative..they are..

            ..they like a ciabatta-bun with jam and peanut butter on it..

            ..eh..?

            ..aside from peanut-allergics…who doesn’t..?

            ..and funnystory..!

            ..most of the commercial breads are now vegan..

            ..(they used to all have dairy in them..)

            ..(you didn’t even notice..did you..?..

            ..little steps in the right direction..eh..?..)

            ..and it’s been a long thread..

            …i might go and smoke a joint..

            ..and listen to some music..

            ..now..

            ..eh..?

            phillip ure

            • NZ Femme 21.1.2.2.1.1

              Nope. I make I own and have for years. Very therapeutic kneading dough. And tending to my sour dough yeasty pets. (they are vegan too. like your dogs.)

  21. xtasy 22

    What is going on here on ‘The Standard’ seems to be a bit of a worry. I know it is still the holiday season, the end phase of it, but I notice that ‘Open Mike’ is getting the bulk of attention and comments, apart from very few other topics.

    I hope that soon some writers and commentators here will focus on the real issues of this election year:

    Economic policy and direction (differentiating the “left” and “progressive” from the status quo, short sighted mess);

    Social justice – with justifying and fighting for a minimum wage at $ 15 to 16 an hour, also promoting the idea of the “living wage”, and thus better incomes for those that have been neglected by this crap government;

    More social justice – by being truly inclusive and fair, and reversing the worst of the “welfare reforms” that Bennett and her lot are “celebrating” with manipulating figures and outcomes; which means, a new benefit and welfare system offering UBI or something similar, that will not be punitive, not be full of sanctions and NOT treat sick and disabled as useful “human material” to feed to greedy employers – but by truly supporting, working with and helping those in need;

    Sustainable development – by showing a clear direction in transforming NZ’s infrastructure and economy to a more sustainable, environmentally compatible, fairer and healthier economic system, that can survive and outlast the short sighted idiocy we are getting from Key, Grosser and the lot;

    Economic development – by promoting and investing in value added, more diversified production here in NZ, that offer better value export products and services, and that surely also focuses on developing the local economy, rather than keep things “ticking over”;

    Healthcare that will support the needs of the present population and also focus more on prevention of diseases and illness, same as accidents and so forth, incentivising healthy behaviour and employment, by tax or other discounts, and perhaps also levying unhealthy food and behaviour, putting a charge or sanctions on such; and I want government to stop interfering with medical science, by promoting mad “research”, which is not sufficiently fact based, by ones like the mad UK “professor” Mansel Aylward;

    By aligning NZ again with progressive countries that follow smart and constructive social, economic and various other policies, rather than blindly follow the Anglo Saxon economies like the US, Australia and so; a different strategic global policy may be called for, rather than what we have;

    Put a new focus on education, to follow ideas like those in Finland, to bring about better results. Some progress happened before, but the over focus on national standards and now even charter schools is distracting from putting more resources, ideas and manpower into the existing systems. I also would like to see the abolition of elite private schools, charging them extra for catering for high income parents or whatever, because we need more equality, need to set examples, and must have smart, talented, gifted students sit in class with those less fortunate, to help them progress, which also develops social and collective skills;

    We need a fairer tax system, which cannot just be about an intro of a CGT; we need a transaction tax, we need a higher income rate for top earners, we need to look at a reduction of GST, at least for essentials;

    There is NO place for poverty in a country rich in resources. So retail supermarkets need looking at, perhaps by introducing more competition, or by regulating some behaviour, as it is idiotic to accept that certain NZ produce can be bought cheaper in London and Frankfurt than here in Auckland;

    The environment is also paramount, and NZ is in vast areas already so destroyed, when it comes to the natural environment, it is not funny; I want more resources in bio security, in conservation, protection of species and so forth, certainly better equipped marine vessels for emergencies for oil and gas disasters; we get too much of the law being hollowed out under this government; NZ is NOT clean and green, it is a hypocrisy, and that is wrong!

    There is heaps more I would like to raise, like fairer, better worker’s protection, work safety standards to be improved, electricity and housing needing to become more affordable, and much more, but I read too little on all this here now, at least over the last few weeks.

    I would encourage those contributing here to focus on some of the above. Some do, but the slow season is nearing its end, and we must now work on election year and the issues that need addressing. I look forward to more writing here, and more commenting, as reading TS is very entertaining and also enlightening most the times.

    X

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 22.1

      Jolly well said Xtasy!

    • RedBaronCV 22.2

      Well said. But should the push be for roll back of only some measures “reversing the worst of the welfare reforms” incremental change or substantial structural change that the next right wing government finds harder to reverse or sell off for their own gains.

    • Chooky 22.3

      +100 xtasy…you need to get back on the case more often

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    The Greens take an inclusive approach to being excluded. So when we were shut out of the TVNZ leaders’ debate (despite being New Zealand’s third largest party, and despite the two-handed Key-Cunliffe format feeling more like a throwback to First...
    frogblog | 29-08
  • Shouldn’t this farmer be prosecuted for bribery?
    The Waikato Regional Council, in reporting on the fine handed down to a polluting farmer, also has some disturbing news:During the course of the Waikato Regional Council inspections that led to the prosecution, Bilkar Singh, a director of B &...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Whatever happened to liberty?
    Yesterday, the Independent Police Conduct Authority released a report finding that police routinely exceeded their powers in shutting down "out of control" parties, invading people's homes, assaulting people, using excessive force (in some cases causing significant injury), and shutting down...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Viewers judge TV3 to be winner in TV One leaders’ debate
    Key says the poll shows that Labour is 4% worse than gouging your eyes out, while National is only 2% worse. A snap political poll taken after last night’s leader’s debate on TV One has revealed that most New Zealanders...
    The Civilian | 29-08
  • Kiwis care about inequality
    Inequality has emerged as the key issue in the election campaign:The gap between rich and poor is by far the biggest issue facing New Zealand three weeks before election day, a new poll has found. The Roy Morgan Research poll...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Something to do on Saturday
    There will be a series of anti-government marches in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin on Saturday:The Auckland rally starts at Aotea Square, Wellington at Te Papa marching to Parliament, Dunedin held at the Octagon and the Christchurch rally at Haley...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Speaker: Rocking in the Public Good: Hager and Shihad
    Seldom has New Zealand seen such super-harmonies in the traditionally separate spheres of music  and investigative journalism. The release of New Zealand prog-rocker Nicky Hager’s latest album Dirty Politics coincided with the well known citizen journalist group Shihad’s book FVEY,...
    Public Address | 29-08
  • The cost of irrigation
    At the moment, the government is pushing irrigation and water storage as a way of increasing milk production and boosting the economy. Critics have argued that the result will be dirty, polluted rivers unfit for recreational use. And we've just...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • An empty void at the heart of the election
    Its election time. The blog should be humming. Its not. Why? Because there's not enough policy to comment on. Note that this is not a complaint about Dirty Politics. How power is exercised and the ethics displayed in doing so...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Making money out of fanatics
    Click on image to enlarge This looks like a Xcd cartoon. I picked it up from a new Facebook page The Girl Against Fluoride Lies. Good to see more and more Facebook pages like this. Speaking of fluoride – the cartoon sort...
    Open Parachute | 29-08
  • Debate 1
    As you know, there was a debate last night, and the consensus appears to be that David Cunliffe won. (The strongest clue that National also thinks Cunliffe won is that Kiwiblog has seven posts up this morning to change the...
    Polity | 29-08
  • Britomart precinct quick wins
    It has now been three months since Janette Sadik-Khan visited Auckland and showed us how easy it was to create a more liveable city by making things better for people to walk and cycle around, and best of all we...
    Transport Blog | 29-08
  • Poll of Polls update – 29 August 2014
    The polls are coming thick and fast. There must be an election on… Yesterday, we had the release of the latest Herald Digipoll, while this morning it’s the Fairfax Ipsos poll. In the Digipoll, National are up 0.7% to 50.7%,...
    Occasionally erudite | 28-08
  • World News Brief, Friday August 29
    Top of the AgendaUkraine Accuses Russia of Invasion...
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Hard News: Friday Music: Tramadol Rock
    I saw Samuel Flynn Scott a couple of times last year at the time he was suffering through a back injury in a haze of painkillers. It made for a fairly spaced out Phoenix Foundation show at the Powerstation --...
    Public Address | 28-08
  • Vale Brad Fletcher, MUNZ Lyttelton Branch President
    The Maritime Union is greatly saddened by the death of Maritime Union Lyttelton Branch President Brad Fletcher in a workplace accident on Thursday 28 August 2014. Maritime Union National Secretary Joe Fleetwood says the death of Brad Fletcher, a full-time...
    MUNZ | 28-08
  • Matthew Hooton (Fanatical National Supporter) Says Key is “Dishonest”
    This morning on Radio Live, Matthew Hooton has said what John Key is saying about about not being told of the SIS Official Information Request release to Scumbag Adulterous Blogger Cameron Slater, is “unbelievable”....
    An average kiwi | 28-08
  • How most people get hacked
    Chris Trotter writes about hackers:  LISBETH SALANDER is the archetypal hacker: a damaged outsider; phenomenally clever; contemptuous of society’s rules; but possessed of an unflinching, if somewhat quirky, sense of right and wrong. Without Lisbeth, the journalist hero of Stieg Larsen’sThe...
    DimPost | 28-08
  • Rift in National Party – MPs Want Key Gone
    Rumours are rife that some National MPS are planning to oust John Key as leader after the election, while others say Key almost without a doubt will be resigning not long after the election. Key is apparently ‘fed up’ with...
    An average kiwi | 28-08
  • Quick post debate comment
    The general consensus seems to be that Cunliffe ‘won’ the debate although not overwhelmingly. Various pundits have wondered what happened to Key. Why wasn’t he funnier? Didn’t he prepare enough?  I think Key’s problem last night went a bit deeper...
    DimPost | 28-08
  • National Housing propaganda – McGehan Close Revisited
    .   . Housing has become a major, defining issue in New Zealand. We have critical shortages and escalating prices in  in the main centres and falling house values in the regions. The National government has addressed the supply &...
    Frankly Speaking | 28-08
  • National Housing propaganda – McGehan Close Revisited
    .   . Housing has become a major, defining issue in New Zealand. We have critical shortages and escalating prices in  in the main centres and falling house values in the regions. The National government has addressed the supply &...
    Frankly Speaking | 28-08
  • New Zealand can’t put the urban genie back in its bottle
    Although the majority of New Zealanders have lived in towns and cities for almost a century, it sometimes seems like we’re in denial that we live in an urban nation. This unease came to the fore during the debate over...
    Transport Blog | 28-08
  • Entering The Labyrinth
    The New Theseus: In a world of mendacious politicians, giant corporations and impenetrable public bureaucracies, the hacker offers the only credible hope of entering the modern labyrinth. Stieg Larsen's character, Lisbeth Salander, is the archetypal fictional representation of the "White...
    Bowalley Road | 28-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Press Release – TPPA Action – Wellington Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington,...
    Its our future | 28-08
  • Gordon Campbell on last night’s debate, and the Collins accusation
    Debating is a peculiar discipline in that what you say is less important than how you’re saying it. Looking poised, being articulate and staying on topic generally wins the day – and on that score, Labour leader David Cunliffe won...
    Gordon Campbell | 28-08
  • Sean Plunket comes around on the Watergate comparison (‘Dirty Politics’...
    Here’s RadioLIVE talkback host Sean Plunket from this morning — thinking his way through the prickly situation revealed in Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics … and finding the comparison to Watergate and dirty tricks orchestrated from Richard Nixon’s office is...
    The Paepae | 28-08
  • Time to change: Another Fatality at Lyttelton, Port of Christchurch
    On January 6th 2014 I asked When will the next fatality happen at Lyttelton, Port of Christchurch?, after a near miss gave clear evidence that the Port’s safety systems were not in control. It was a prediction that was almost...
    Lance Wiggs | 28-08
  • The First Leaders’ Debate: Cunliffe Shows His Quality.
    Epic Struggle: Tonight New Zealanders were privileged to witness a truly outstanding encounter between two highly effective politicians. Leaving aside its ridiculous "poll", TVNZ has just screened one of the best leaders' debates in decades.WHAT A BLOODY SHAME. For 59 minutes TVNZ...
    Bowalley Road | 28-08
  • US State Department underestimates carbon pollution from Keystone XL
    This is like the movie Groundhog Day. I seem forever forced to correct the State Department’s errant analysis of Alberta tar sands emissions. Now, however, other people are agreeing with me. A recent paper published in Nature Climate Change reviewed...
    Skeptical Science | 28-08
  • Stuart’s 100 #16 A Retail Renaissance?
    16: A Retail Renaissance? What if Topshop Topman was just the beginning? Over the past year or so there has started to be some recognition in the media that change is afoot in the central city retail scene (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11269705, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11262222 ) ....
    Transport Blog | 28-08
  • Labour on the environment
    Labour released its environment policy today. While supposedly predicated on the idea of "no healthy economy without a healthy environment", its... weak. On the core issue of the RMA, they reject National's latest round of gutting, but basically accept all...
    No Right Turn | 28-08
  • World News Brief, Thursday August 28
    Top of the AgendaNATO Plans New Bases as Poroshenko Meets Putin...
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Britain’s toxic elite
    In something that should be news to no-one, a report has found that Britain is in the thrall of an unrepresentative elite:Britain is "deeply elitist" because people educated at public school and Oxbridge have in effect created a "closed shop...
    No Right Turn | 28-08
  • Debates don’t change anything unless they do
    Leaders’ debate tonight! Reading through some of the political science about debates over lunchtime and the general consensus seems to be that debates don’t really change voters’ minds unless one of the debaters dramatically under-performs or over-performs.  But all other things...
    DimPost | 28-08
  • Is 2014 a landmark election for Green politics?
    Last week I asked, somewhat facetiously, whether this would be New Zealand's first policy-free election. Now obviously parties will release policies and they will provoke some debate, but it does seem that the personalities and the general perception of each...
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Nicky Hager’s public meeting in Auckland last night
    Nicky Hager was in Auckland last night, at a public meeting called to give people the opportunity to hear from — and question — the author of Dirty Poltiics, a book the author said is about ethics. Quite a good turnout...
    The Paepae | 28-08
  • NZ Greens – quick on the photocopiers
    Environment Victoria have got a rather clever print campaign going in support of renewable energy. This went to print in The Age yesterday… [via Twitter]   It didn’t take the NZ Greens long to get their solar powered photocopier up...
    Progress report | 28-08
  • Dick Fritter: tonight’s big fight
    Expert commentator Dick Fritter gives his tips on what each party leader needs to do to win the big TV debate...
    Imperator Fish | 28-08
  • New World wants to turn your kids into mindless zombie consumers
    Parents will know the pester power unleashed by offering collectables such as toys (or in the case of Countdown, cards). This tactic has long been used by fast food companies to lure in kids. Now it is being used as...
    Gareth’s World | 28-08
  • Stop spinning the debate
    Take the people saying  ‘all David Cunliffe has to do is draw’. Unfortunately, last year David Cunliffe’s supporters in the leadership contest argued he should lead the  party because of his superior debating skills....
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • What The Hell Was That! Reflections on the media’s coverage of the Intern...
    WHAT, EXACTLY, DO WE KNOW about the confrontation outside Internet-Mana’s campaign launch? Well, we know the news media was there in force. We also know Internet-Mana’s media person, Pam Corkery, blew her stack. We know that Corkery’s outburst led the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • NZ First candidate – homophobic, bennie bashing anti-intellectual clown
    Oh God, apart from Ron Mark, Tracey Martin, Curwen Rolinson and Winston before midday, the woeful cavalcade of political circus freaks NZ First seem to attract has picked up another hitchhiker. This time Epsom candidate Cliff Lyon who said this about Labour… “If...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Nicky Hager Public Meeting LIVESTREAM on The Daily Blog 7.30pm Wednesday 27...
    As part of our commitment to the 2014 Election debate, The Daily Blog will Livestream the Nicky Hager public meeting in Auckland, 7.30pm live from the Mt Eden War Memorial this Wednesday on this site. Doors open at 7pm. It...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Opening Night. It’s like an opera!
    On Saturday night just gone, we collectively experienced one of the premier panegyrys of political pageantry in our three yearly electoral cycle. For one glorious weekend evening every three years, it’s not the All Blacks or some Super 14 team, or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Unions – what ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Timor-Leste’s Parliament handed ‘humiliating’ defeat over harsh media...
    East Timorese journalists raise their hands to approve the Timor-Leste JournalistCode of Ethics in October 2013. Photo: Tempo Semanal/Cafe Pacific   David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. PACIFIC SCOOP reported this week that East Timor’s Appeal Court had scrapped...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • THIS is why we need a public broadcaster!
    The richest 20% of us in NZ own 70% of the wealth, with 18% in the hands of the second richest quintile, and 10% in the hands of the middle quintile. Just 2 per cent was owned by people in...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • A vote for Key is a vote for this
    A vote for Key is a vote for this...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • Why the Secret Intelligence Service feeding Cameron Slater information is s...
    Folks, it doesn’t matter if you are Right or Left, the issue of the Secret Intelligence Service being forced to feed a far right hate speech merchant like Cameron Slater with sensitive information is an ‘us’ issue. The SIS are...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • New Zealand Shoppers- Demand Blue Tick Accredited Products
    Following ongoing concerns surrounding the issue of animal welfare in farming, particularly in the layer and broiler chicken sectors, the RNZSPCA is now asking consumers to purchase only eggs, pork, turkey and chicken that have been Accredited by the Blue...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Environment Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Environment Policy which recognises that New Zealand cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Candidate calls for an end to institutional racism
    29 AUGUST 2014 Tāmaki Makaurau candidate, Rangi McLean has spoken up in support of Irie Te Wehi-Takerei who was wrongfully accused of shoplifting at a Warehouse store in Manukau. "Over the last month, two different supermarkets have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Making tertiary education more accessible to Māori
    29 August 2014 The Māori Party launched its tertiary education policy today at Te Huinga Tauira o Te Mana Ākonga, the national hui for the Māori Teritary Students Association in Palmerston North. Te Tai Hauāuru candidate Chris McKenzie says the...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ Sign Language programmes receives $11 million boost
    Deaf Aotearoa are thrilled with Education minister Hekia Parata’s announcement this week that $11 million in funding will go towards a range of New Zealand Sign Language initiatives, including First Signs – a programme that involves sign language...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Abortion violates the Human Rights of Fathers
    Fathers1Right to Life is concerned at the glaring imbalance that exists in law, in regard to the rights of men to defend the lives of the children they have fathered. Fatherhood commences at conception. Children in the womb, just like...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Hundreds to join march against male violence in Auckland CBD
    Hundreds of supporters are expected to join the 'Take Back the Night' march through central Auckland streets tomorrow night in solidarity with making the streets safe for women and the rainbow community to walk without fear of male violence....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Classic example of need for Conservative policy
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar believes the sentencing of killer Aaron McDonald is a classic example of why an overhaul of the parole and sentencing system is required.”...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Greens & Labour Politicising Bullying in Schools
    Family First NZ says that both the Greens and Labour are wanting to politicise and sexualise school children under the guise of bullying programmes rather than deal with the school bullying issue as it should be dealt with....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington, marchers will assemble at Te Papa...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EPA grants marine consent for OMV exploration well
    The Environmental Protection Authority has granted a marine consent to OMV New Zealand Ltd for its Whio-1 exploration well in the Taranaki Basin....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • First anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria
    Members of the Syrian Community and friends are commemorating the first anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria, in Aotea Square on Saturday 30 August 2014, between 11-3 pm. The Assad regimes chemical attacks on al Ghouta were responsible...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Anniversary of the NZ Occupation of German Samoa
    Today, 29th August 2014, marks the 100 years centenary of the occupation of Samoa by New Zealand forces at the request of the British empire, ending the German rule of Samoa. It is also the starting point for the special...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Submissions sought on mosquito repellent
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a portable mosquito repellent for use outdoors. The repellent consists of a strip impregnated with metofluthrin, a substance from the pyrethroid family....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
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