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Open mike 19/08/2012

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, August 19th, 2012 - 172 comments
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Open mike is your post. For announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose.

The usual rules of good behaviour apply (see the link to Policy in the banner).

Step right up to the mike…

172 comments on “Open mike 19/08/2012”

  1. Morrissey 1

    “He’s merely been telling the truth…. He should be congratulated for that, not threatened.”

    Some who trust the anonymous editorial writers, the humorists and virtual government mouthpieces at the Grauniad, the Murdoch media and the BBC might have been led to think otherwise, but Daniel Ellsberg, the Julian Assange of the 1960s and 70s, is a man of formidable expertise, immense knowledge and unimpeachable integrity. He’s someone worth listening to….

    Daniel Ellsberg: I Congratulate Ecuador for Standing Up to British Empire to Protect Julian Assange

    DANIEL ELLSBERG: Well, I congratulate Ecuador, of course, for standing up to the British Empire here, for insisting that they are not a British colony, and acting as a sovereign state ought to act. And I think they’ve done the right thing. I appreciate what they’ve done.

    AMY GOODMAN: And the British government first threatening to raid the Ecuadorean embassy in London, also saying they would arrest Julian Assange if he attempted to leave to go to Ecuador, but also saying they’d actually raid the embassy?

    DANIEL ELLSBERG: It’s an outrageous proposal, which actually undermines the security of every diplomat in the world, in this country right now. I would say it has a chilling effect right now, the very fact that that possibility has been raised. I’m old enough to remember the occasion that gave rise to that, actually. I remember when a Libyan official shot from the Libyan embassy in London and killed a British female officer. … They didn’t raid the embassy on that occasion, but that led three years later to a law that permitted them, under extraordinary circumstances, to do that again. They obviously don’t have anyone here who’s been shooting from the Ecuadorean embassy at anyone. He’s merely been telling the truth, there as in London earlier. He should be congratulated for that, not threatened.

    Watch Daniel Ellsberg and read the entire transcript here…
    http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/17/daniel_ellsberg_i_congratulate_ecuador_for

    • Carol 1.1

      I have an interest in the Assange situation, although don’t follow it as much as other issues/stories. It is important. But….

      …how long is this little feud between a handful of Standartistas going to dominate open mike with long strings of bitter exchanges from entrenched positions?

      • Morrissey 1.1.1

        I have an interest in the Assange situation, although don’t follow it as much as other issues/stories.

        Why not? There is no story more crucial to our futures than this one.

        I suggest you take a few minutes and listen to what Ellsberg says.

        • Carol 1.1.1.1

          It is ONE crucial issue. I’m waiting to see how it plays out. But the feud here goes beyond that.

        • Chris 1.1.1.2

          I would’ve thought the threats from the general economic situation and climate change are a lot more crucial.

          I completely agree with Carol – as I said yesterday noone is going to move on this topic. My guess is anyone who could potentially be swayed no longer reads any of these posts. I know I don’t – it is getting to be far worse than anything Pete George ever did.

          • Morrissey 1.1.1.2.1

            Chris seems a tad frustrated at having his or her peace of mind disturbed….

            I would’ve thought the threats from the general economic situation and climate change are a lot more crucial.

            You “would have thought” that, would you? How much reading have you done on this terrifying case? And please don’t think I am not concerned about our economic situation or global warming.

            My guess is anyone who could potentially be swayed no longer reads any of these posts.

            My intention is to bring to notice the work of people who are deliberately shut out of British state television, or distorted in newspapers like the Grauniad. People like Daniel Ellsberg, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein—all of whom have commented trenchantly on the state persecution of Assange. My intention is not to “sway” intransigent people. The likes of “weka”, “Pascal’s bookie” and the Banksy Award-winning “Te Reo Putake” are clearly not willing to treat this issue seriously, but they clog up this forum with their absurd quibbles and distractions. Your beef is with them, not with me.

            I know I don’t – it is getting to be far worse than anything Pete George ever did.

            That’s clever. Now I’m Pete George. That’s ethical and perspicacious of you.

        • Jackal 1.1.1.3

          Morrissey

          There is no story more crucial to our futures than this one.

          I would suggest that Climate Change is of far more importance and gains far less attention. I totally agree with Carol… Let’s give it a rest.

          Let the games begin!

          As most readers are probably aware, there was an op-ed in the Saturday New York Times from Richard Muller announcing the Berkeley Earth team’s latest results. It was odd enough that a scientific paper was announced via an op-ed, rather than a press release, odder still that the paper was only being submitted and had not actually been accepted, and most odd of all was the framing – a ‘converted skeptic’ being convinced by his studies that the planet has indeed warmed and that human activity is the cause – which as Mike and Ken Caldiera pointed out has been known for almost 2 decades.

          ~ Real Climate

          Deep Water

          Grossman reports that most scientists with whom he has spoken expect a sea level rise of around a metre this century. But there is profound uncertainty about the behaviour of the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica. Will these continent-scale glaciers remain languid in their transport of ice to the sea or under the influence of warming will they become more akin to bounding torrents? He explains very clearly for the lay reader the difference between the gradual surface melting of an ice-cube and the dynamics of glacier movement that can cast into the sea quantities of ice which dwarf the amounts that dribble off from surface melting.

          ~ Hot Topic

          Climate change disease danger

          Parasites look set to become more virulent because of climate change, according to a study showing that frogs suffer more infections from a fungus when exposed to unexpected swings in temperatures.

          Parasites, which include tapeworms, the tiny organisms that cause malaria and funguses, may be more nimble at adapting to climatic shifts than the animals they live on since they are smaller and grow more quickly, scientists said.

          “Increases in climate variability are likely to make it easier for parasites to infect their hosts,” Thomas Raffel of Oakland University in the United States told Reuters.

          ~ Alister Doyle

          Climate change driving Australian fish south

          Australian scientists said Friday there was now “striking evidence” of extensive southward migration of tropical fish and declines in other species due to climate change, in a major ocean report card.

          Compiled by more than 80 of Australia’s leading marine experts for the government science body CSIRO, the snapshot of global warming’s effects on the island continent’s oceans warned of “significant impacts”.

          “Climate change is already happening; widespread physical changes include rapid warming of the southeast and increasing flow of the east Australia current,” the report said.

          ~ Yahoo! News

          • Morrissey 1.1.1.3.1

            I would suggest that Climate Change is of far more importance and gains far less attention.

            Of course Climate Change is of paramount importance. And you don’t think governments harassing and trying to silence Assange will not have a chilling effect on other protesters and dissenters—like ecology activists?

            I totally agree with Carol… Let’s give it a rest.

            That’s the kind of thing global warming deniers say. Have you thought of working for ACT?

            • Jackal 1.1.1.3.1.1

              Ah no! As I said yesterday, the debate is at an impasse. I therefore won’t be making further comment until there’s a substantive development.

      • just saying 1.1.2

        Carol I think you are being a bit unfair in calling this a “feud” implying equal culpability of all parties. I take my hat off particularly to Weka and Mcflock in intelligently challenging the rape-culture aspects of the discussion itself, which inevitably arise in a case of this kind independently of whether Assange is guilty of the charges.

        I had decided to start putting rolleyes as a response to Morrisey’s seeming never-ending campaign salvos.

        • Carol 1.1.2.1

          I get that, js.

          I also understand how the evil US empire to stifle dissent. 2 sides to a complex situation. I don’t think anything’s to be gained from each side constantly repeating their position.

          Now, have to start working.

          • weka 1.1.2.1.1

            Hi Carol,
             
            I personally don’t consider myself to be on a ‘side’ in this. I don’t generally get involved in the debate about the Assange case itself, apart from as js mentions challening rape culture issues as they arise here on TS.
             
            One of my points in the rape culture conversation is that we don’t have to ‘take sides’. This intersects nicely with the small discussion yesterday about the Order of Relations vs the Order of Things that Anne Salmond wrote about.
             
            http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10827658
             
            However I agree with your and Chris’ points, and have been biting my tongue for a while now about naming Morrissey the new Pete George, esp for the hogging of the first post of Open Mike so often. We can now anticipate protestations of free speech or such.
             
            Like Chris I will now employ :roll: accordingly.

          • just saying 1.1.2.1.2

            I also understand how the evil US empire to stifle dissent

            I get that too Carol, in my view, challenging rape culture in this kind of discussion isn’t synonymous with arguing that Assange is guilty.

            • QoT 1.1.2.1.2.1

              I agree: I don’t quite grok the idea that “challenging rape culture” and “opposing US imperialism” are somehow equivalent/complementary “sides” of an argument.

          • Morrissey 1.1.2.1.3

            Now, have to start working.

            And one of these days, it might be an idea to start reading.

        • Vicky32 1.1.2.2

          I had decided to start putting rolleyes as a response to Morrisey’s seeming never-ending campaign salvos.

          How very juvenile!
          Here’s one for you…
          :roll:
          And I will put some rolleyes under Weka and McNutmeg each time they accuse people like – oh me, for instance, of “supporting rape culture” because we refuse to judge and sentence Assange for ‘raping’ a couple of cat-fighting groupies!

          • McFlock 1.1.2.2.2

            Yes.
                 
            Because calling complainants “cat-fighting groupies” is in no way supporting rape culture. 
               
            :roll: 

            • Vicky32 1.1.2.2.2.1

              Because calling complainants “cat-fighting groupies” is in no way supporting rape culture
              :roll:
              Oh McNutmeg, did I ever say that all rape complainants are ‘cat-fighting groupies’? No, I didn’t and I never will.
              These women, however, the jury’s definitely out. I am a woman, and I have had the usual exposure to rape-like behaviour – but these women can’t claim they were raped  – not in any logical world!

              • Descendant Of Smith

                Eiher consent was given or it was not.

                If the young women were asleep consent cannot be given.

                Seems quite simple to me.

                I would never behave like that to my wife, let alone a stranger I’d just met.

                I’m pretty respectful of a woman’s right to decide when and if I’m allowed to touch. Consent for one instance does not give me blanket permission, marriage does not give me any non-consenting access either.

                It’s not that difficult to ensure you’re both agreeable each and every time.

                • RedLogix

                  I would never behave like that to my wife, let alone a stranger I’d just met.

                  Well my partner quite enjoys it. The map of human sexual behaviour is neither narrow nor wholly domesticated. And this is true for both genders.

                  Consent for one instance does not give me blanket permission, marriage does not give me any non-consenting access either.

                  Do you have a mutually signed legal document that is a record of every time you and your wife have made love? Can you prove your claim to have gained this consent on each and every occasion in Court?

                  Or would it just come down to your word against hers?

                  • Descendant Of Smith

                    “Do you have a mutually signed legal document that is a record of every time you and your wife have made love? Can you prove your claim to have gained this consent on each and every occasion in Court?

                    Or would it just come down to your word against hers?”

                    Now you’re just being an idiot.

                    Anyway her word would support mine not be in opposition to it.

                    The point I was making, which seems a little obtuse for you, was that the Swedish law does represent a not unreasonable social more.

                    It may not be one you share but it is their law and likely in reasonable close context to many of their social mores. I’m actually very liberal in my view of what others are able to do sexually but I’ve always had that attitude in the context of clear consent.

                    • RedLogix

                      Anyway her word would support mine not be in opposition to it.

                      But what if it were not? What if your relationship had broken down and suddenly your loving partner of many years was no longer a person you recognised?

                      Still happy for it to be just your word against hers? Or maybe in hindsight maybe a stack of those ‘legal consent’ forms would come in handy just now.

                    • Descendant Of Smith

                      “But what if it were not? What if your relationship had broken down and suddenly your loving partner of many years was no longer a person you recognised?

                      Still happy for it to be just your word against hers? Or maybe in hindsight maybe a stack of those ‘legal consent’ forms would come in handy just now.”

                      Well I guess I’d be in a slightly better position than you would be in the same situation cause I’ve never had sex with her while she’s asleep and I’ve never posted on the internet that I have.

                      You’re still being an idiot.

                    • RedLogix

                      On the other hand I’ve never posted on the internet that my head is up my arse.

                      My point is simple. You are pointing to ‘social mores’. Fine, but just exactly how do you propose that detailed compliance with them be established in a Court?

                      Because that is precisely what is being asked for here.

                    • Descendant Of Smith

                      My point is simple. You are pointing to ‘social mores’.

                      I’m pointing out that the Swedish law is not unreasonable or out of kilter.

                      “Fine, but just exactly how do you propose that detailed compliance with them be established in a Court?

                      Because that is precisely what is being asked for here.”

                      The same way they decide other cases of complaint using the laws they have passed. Gather evidence, interview witnesses, lay charges, examine case law – whatever it is that they do.

                • Morrissey

                  I would never behave like that to my wife, let alone a stranger I’d just met.

                  I’m pretty respectful of a woman’s right to decide when and if I’m allowed to touch.

                  And your wife is …. okay with these adventures in gallantry with other women?

              • McFlock

                You say the women can’t claim to have been raped. You base this on…?

            • RedLogix 1.1.2.2.2.2

              OK in the hours since you last accused me of having no sense of right or wrong I’ve been in the local mountains with a fine group of friends. One of whom recently came out of hospital because her ex-husband put her there. Or how about the woman I was with last year on a five day trip who has only one working eye for the same reason. Or the woman who did my hair last month in a neck-brace and her boyfriend in Rimutaka prison.

              That’s rape culture for you. Right here at home and it’s an innate consequence of the property-owning patriarchal death-cult we currently call society. All the snobbery, bullying, abuse, violence, addictions and dysfunction of our so called ‘society’ has it’s direct roots in this deep unequal distribution of power that has been a feature of most human life for the last 10,000 or so years.

              Now if you want to change all this with laws which define in minute details exactly what consenting adults can or can’t do in bed together … then good luck to you. If you want adults to sign up to a 32 page legal document detailing in precise detail what sex acts they are going to consent to … and you think that will help then again best of luck.

              Personally I’ve read the complainants accounts several times. They invited Assange into their beds. Now that of course does not give anyone a free pass to commit what ever act they like, but in this case I don’t see violence or coercion on Assange’s part. What I do see is miscommunication, misunderstanding and bad timing. Still if Swedish law makes a criminal offence of these events then I’ve consistently argued for a routine legal process to take it’s course.

              But the wider context of events makes it clear that the Swedish authorities are making a very special case of Assange for reasons that probably have very little to do with the welfare of the women involved.

              • Colonial Viper

                Thanks for the bitter, real life, close to home examples RL. Better than continuations of international internet indignation.

              • Descendant Of Smith

                I’m late to this as I’ve been busy all weekend as well but in response to what you just said:

                “They invited Assange into their beds. Now that of course does not give anyone a free pass to commit what ever act they like, but in this case I don’t see violence or coercion on Assange’s part. What I do see is miscommunication, misunderstanding and bad timing. ”

                Can’t be communication if you are asleep. Sure he mayt have felt he had consent based on previous activity but that didn’t mean that he did.

                “Still if Swedish law makes a criminal offence of these events then I’ve consistently argued for a routine legal process to take it’s course.”

                Agree.

                “But the wider context of events makes it clear that the Swedish authorities are making a very special case of Assange for reasons that probably have very little to do with the welfare of the women involved.”

                Both agree and disagree. Sweden has passed these laws and it’s their call. Here there is a hue and cry when celebrities get special treatment and I’m sure it’s no different there either. In fact they may be more determined to have him back in Sweden the longer this goes on.

                You cannot however also deny the international political ramifications of his leaking the information and the desire in particular of governments wanting their hands on him.

                It’s an extremely difficult position that he’s in and I’m not sure that there is an easy solution.

                Will be interesting what he has to say tomorrow.

                • McFlock

                  I reckon I agree with all of that (incl last but 2 paragraph) – and it seems better written than my efforts.

                • RedLogix

                  Can’t be communication if you are asleep. Sure he mayt have felt he had consent based on previous activity but that didn’t mean that he did.

                  Asleep or half-asleep? Can you always tell the difference? And when they were awake did they demand he stop? Or was it a few days later that they decided differently? And what if Assange’s version of event’s is different? Who to believe?

                  All questions that would be best answered if we installed recording video cameras in every bedroom … no?

                  Or perhaps more realistically maybe Assange should have gotten her to sign a form before each and every sex act. Which prompts me to ask exactly how you would define a ‘sex act’ for the purposes of gaining consent of each occasion. Clearly signing a form before each pelvic thrust is a tad over the top, but what about a 10 min pause before switching between say fellatio and a spot of g-spot massage. How about multiple orgasms? Should be sign the form between each one? Or does a 30 minute refractory period mandate a new sex act?

                  Just curious to see how you see these things working.

                  (Actually I do know of a way around all of this. It’s very ancient and effective … but no-one here would listen.)

                  • McFlock

                    Maybe, and I’m just throwing this out for the hell of it, maybe those are questions for a court to decide?
                             
                     

                    • Colonial Viper

                      And to end up in court, charges first need to be laid. And to progress to that stage, investigators could talk to Assange TODAY.

                    • McFlock

                      Not that there’s any point, if they’re not in a position to arrest and charge a known flight risk.

                    • RedLogix

                      Assange stayed in Sweden and cooperated with the first investigation for five weeks. As a result of that no charges were laid and he was given permission to leave the country.

                      Only after the whole affair became so overtly political did he become a ‘flight risk’. Whose fault is that?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Not that there’s any point, if they’re not in a position to arrest and charge a known flight risk.

                      How can there be no point to progressing the investigation.

                      And, uh, presumption of innocence remember. They might decide to drop further action against Assange if there are no grounds to proceed.

                    • McFlock

                      RL: the prosecutors and his lawyer seem to differ in their accounts on that. But it’s not the same lawyer who came up with “sex by surprise”, so I’ll just say it seems undetermined. As opposed to jumping bail in the UK.  
                             
                      CV: Paragraph 149. Knock yourself out. There’s no point in the second interview without the possibility of a charge. That’s the bit where the present the evidence to him and ask if he has anything to say. Which is probably why he skipped it the second first time.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      There’s no point in the second interview without the possibility of a charge.

                      Why is there no possibility of a charge? They can charge him after they interview him. Which can happen TODAY. Nothing stopping them.

                      They could also decide to drop further action against him. You know, presumption of innocence and all that.

                      That’s the bit where the present the evidence to him and ask if he has anything to say. Which is probably why he skipped it the second first time.

                      Or, they’ve avoided asking him because what evidence they do have is flimsy at best.

                    • McFlock

                      Yeah, right. :roll:
                               
                      And maybe tomorrow he’ll announce he’s going to Sweden. Problem solved.

          • Morrissey 1.1.2.2.3

            It’s interesting, Vicky, to see that some of these people are now giving YOU this juvenile treatment. I was disturbed to see the rolling eyes campaign against Pete George a few weeks ago; I thought then that it could be utilized against anyone.

            Still, when you have no credible argument to offer, using the rolling eyes graphic is an eloquent way to say: “I got nuthin’.”

            • Vicky32 1.1.2.2.3.1

              You’re exactly right, Morrissey… I was upset about the rolleyes campaign against PG for the same reason! Aside from anything else, it’s very juvenile – I can imagine year 9s in a classroom sniggering at someone they can’t answer…

              And, uh, presumption of innocence remember. They might decide to drop further action against Assange if there are no grounds to proceed.

              CV, there’s no reply button on yours, so I am answering you here – it seems to me, we didn’t get the memo – the one saying that Assange is uniquely * not entitled to the presumption of innocence!
               
              * When I think about it, not so uniquely, sadly…

  2. Colonial Viper 2

    Richard Wolff: bringing Democracy to the Workplace

    This is how its done. This is what the unions should have been doing 40 years ago. Except they always just held on to the limited vision of fighting The Man.

    Imagine a union that had an official two-pronged strategy. Prong one, you bargain collectively, you do what unions traditionally do. Prong two, we’re going to organize workers into self-directed enterprises. We’re going to move energetically the minute we hear that there’s a factory or enterprise planning to shut down, to close a facility, to move a facility, we’re on it like white on rice. We’re in there saying go, we’ll take over. You can leave, but you’ve got a whole new problem here, Mr. Corporation. You think you’re moving, you’re not moving, you’re adding capacity in China, in Bangladesh—we’re going to continue here, and we’re going to be a competitor of yours. Because we’re American, we’ll be producing locally, we’re not going to have your transport costs, we’re going to have a lot better PR than you are, because we’re going to tell everybody, you’ve got a choice, we, who kept it going, or them, who are exploiting cheap labor over there.

    Then, what happens to the bargain between the union and the boss about that move when that’s in the wings? That’s a very different conversation. If I’m sitting across the board from the boss, begging and pleading, that’s a very different conversation from “When you leave, we’re going to be right here, we’re going to make your life so unpleasant.” That is much more powerful.

    http://rdwolff.com/content/richard-d-wolff-can-we-remake-our-workplaces-be-more-democratic

    • rosy 2.1

      Add to that a compulsory labour think-tank that produces opinion on the effects on the workforce of proposed legislative changes, that the government has a legislative duty to take into account.

      • Colonial Viper 2.1.1

        Fascinating, thanks for the link.

        Membership

        All employees, apprentices, persons on maternity (paternity) leave, as well as the unemployed are subject to compulsory membership; civil servants and agricultural workers are exempt. Total membership is 3.2 million. The Chambers of Labour also represent the interests of retired employees.

        • Carol 2.1.1.1

          Excellent links and ideas. And the Austrian Federal Chamber of Labour is easily financed:

          Finances

          The financial basis of this entire structure is the so-called “Chamber of Labour levy” amounting to 0.5% of all members’ gross wages or salaries up to a certain maximum basis of assessment. More than 80% of these funds are spent on direct services to Chamber of Labour members.

          • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.1.1

            Organisations with cashflow like that can add small businesses (purchasing them or starting them up) to their asset base rather quickly. In a co-op model, the Chamber of Labour would then become an employer of considerable scale to be reckoned with. Employees could then make an active choice between working for a typical capitalist firm, taking a wage and taking orders from the top. Or work for a co-op where they would have an ownership stake and participate in decision making at all levels.

            Easy choice eh.

            • rosy 2.1.1.1.1.1

              You’d have to deal with the two different objectives – legislative power and business. But I do agree there is dire need to find a funding mechanism for the ownership of business through workers co-ops.

              Question: Does incorporating worker interests into the capitalist model evens out some of the highs and lows in the business cycle? That would be economic incentive for workers over and above the traditional capitalist model. Workers require stable incomes over time – compared with capitalists who are often willing to accumulate as soon as they can, and carry the risk of this not continuing in the future.

              • Colonial Viper

                Question: Does incorporating worker interests into the capitalist model evens out some of the highs and lows in the business cycle?

                Yes it does. Reading the article, Richard Wolff describes how Mondragon has had to cope with the majocr Europe-wide recession. In a capitalist corporation, directors will often cut loose money losing units and lay staff off, in order to protect shareholder returns. In Modragon, the workers ARE the shareholders. So they have gone to extraordinary lengths to redeploy, retrain, reassign those workers.

                BTW the usual business cycle of being up 4-5 years then being down 1-2 years has been destroyed by the debt deflation/energy trap the world economy is now caught in. IMO co-ops will become even more important economic structures as this drags on for another 10-20 years.

                You’d have to deal with the two different objectives – legislative power and business.

                Indeed. It is a different mode of operating, but there are existing examples. Eg the many large corporations who also do political lobbying do these days. What would be nice would be large organisations who do exactly the same for workers and the underclass.

                • rosy

                  Yeah, i have a suspicion that worker focus evens out the highs and lows, but am not sure the research has been done to support it. co-ops John Lewis and Waitrose in the UK seem to have weathered the downturn better than most (and they’re high-end retailers). Also Co-op and Mondragon and at a national level Austria.

                  For me, this would be the biggest buy-in reason for a focus on workers interests… Stable profit and income over time. The exact opposite to the precarity model being implemented across the western world right now.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    And consumers get a choice of supporting businesses owned by local workers.

                    Yeah, i have a suspicion that worker focus evens out the highs and lows, but am not sure the research has been done to support it.

                    IMO research can often give retrospective insights, but rarely prospective guidance, as organisations and market niches tend to be quite individual.

                    The main question I think needs to be answered is: can co-op enterprises help solve any/many of the problems our communities face today. I think its YES.

                    A private enterprise needs to focus on serving shareholders. So much the better if those shareholders are local workers, and not a bunch of faraway investors based in Sydney, New York or London, and who have zero care and interest in your local community.

                    We know that people work the best, the most creatively, and the hardest, when they feel they have a real stake in the enterprise. I have no doubt that a co-op enterprise can outperform any standard enterprise on a routine basis.

                    A co-op enterprise can also choose to be not for profit. On that basis it will be able to undercut or outlast corporate enterprise almost always. Eg. let’s say a foreign owned factory in your town employs 100 people. The factory is busy, sales are decent, and the workers are busy, but the factory can’t make any real profit against low priced products out of Thailand. Corporate based out of USA shut the factory down because even though its not losing money its not making money for shareholders, and shift production to Thailand, where it will make money for shareholders. The shift doesn’t cost the Corporate anything, but costs your local community 100 jobs. You can see how a locally owned co-op might make different decisions in the same situation.

    • chris73 2.2

      Unions in NZ being productive? Yeah right, far easier to dictate to the bosses how things should be done then actually get of your (workers) collective chuffs and take the responsibility yourselves.

      What the unions want is all the rights and privileges without any of the responsibilities.

      Having said why the unions won’t (general laziness and irresponsibility) I’ll say its a damn good idea in theory.

      • millsy 2.2.1

        Would you ban unions then Chris?

        Do you accept that union members enjoy better wages and conditions than those who arent union members?

        Do you want to bring back slavery?

        • chris73 2.2.1.1

          Would you ban unions then Chris?
          - No, unions are dying out so they don’t need my help

          Do you accept that union members enjoy better wages and conditions than those who arent union members?
          - Yes, undeservedly

          Do you want to bring back slavery?
          -I’m not entirely sure how you made the jump from me thinking union employees are lazy and irresponsible to me thinking slavery should be brought back but I’m guessing you probably had one too many red bulls and didn’t get enough sleep

          • millsy 2.2.1.1.1

            Do you dont like unions and think that wages and conditions should be slashed?

            • chris73 2.2.1.1.1.1

              So not liking unions is the same as endorsing slavery? Go back to bed for a couple of hours and then try posting.

              • Morrissey

                So not liking unions is the same as endorsing slavery?

                There’s not a lot of difference.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Employers and corporations and farmers LOVE unions (for themselves). They know the power and leverage that organisation and co-ordination brings to the table.

                  The EMA
                  The Business Roundtable
                  The Feds
                  ……

          • the pink postman 2.2.1.1.2

            Chriss 73

            One thing I well remember ,in the days when I was an acive unionist was that bluggers like you refused to pay the union fee but were first in line to get the gains the union had fought for. You are typical of the anti-worker ,anti -union low life it has been my misfortune to sometimes have worked with. Working Class Tories ! nothing is lower .As my Spanish Civil war father classed them “They are that low they could crawl under a snake with top hat and stilts on” That that type are still with us today is sad !sad! sad!

      • bad12 2.2.2

        You could try not talking SHIT, show us where there is a workplace where the unionized workforce is not productive,

        There is NO difference in the poductivity of a unionized workplace versus a non-unionized workplace,

        Oh except of course if you consider productivity to be an employers ability to exploit workers in a non-unionized workplace by paying workers lower rates of pay than what they would receive in a unionized workplace,

        But then, that aint got anything much to do with worker output or productivity…

      • Draco T Bastard 2.2.3

        Yeah right, far easier to dictate to the bosses how things should be done

        Except unions don’t do that, they discuss things. The bosses try to dictate how things should be done and get upset when they’re called on it.

    • Bill 2.3

      From time to time I’ve mentioned that very possibility in the company of union officials, organisers, members and in general company too.

      In short, negotiate with an aim to assuming control of the company if and when the correct circumstances arise. (In NZ there is a perfectly legal route to pursue in such an instance) The two basic hurdles are that unions (or those aho comprise the heirarchy of unions) simply aren’t familiar with the basic structures that would need to be developed to facilitate worker’s control. (If they were, an outline of necessary structures and procedures could become part and parcel of any union’s membership literature as a way of introducing workers to the concept and the possibilities it contains.) And ordinary workers are in the same boat and in addition have a lot of resistance vis a vis their idea of what a work place is and their fears with regards being in control and responsible.

      I had thought of doing a post on it a while back to compliment one I’d done on what policies a genuine left parliamentary party would pursue. (Use their position in government to distribute the power of the state outwards and downwards ie, rather than rely on the mistaken Marxist assumption that the state will smehow magically naturally wither, to actively wither the state’s centralised authority)

      Hmm. Maybe you’re comment has given me the wee kick in the arse needed to get into gear and do the post ;-)

      • bad12 2.3.1

        Aha, the other arm of the Marxist debate, Trotsky believed Capitalist enterprise was in fact a better means of distribution and ordering production,

        The profits of Capitalism re-distributed from the bottom up into society immediately destroys inequality and poverty…

        • Bill 2.3.1.1

          Erm. Not sure where you’re coming from with that comments bad12. I know that Trotsky and Lenin both advocated for single management structures in the workplace… the vertical division of labour.(Hence the dissolution of worker’s councils and the appointment of party personel to over see or manage the workplace. And Trotsky’s lament that the USSR would have moved in that direction a lot quicker had circumstances allowed.)

          It’s the second part of your comment that confuses me. If production is organised such that there is no vertical division of labour and therefore no exploitation of workers by those seeking to profit from their labour, then there is no capitalism… that is, if we agree that the power relationship of boss and worker and the profit that relationship yields is what lies at the core of capitalism.

          Maybe an alternative phrasing of what you wrote would be to say that if the fruits of production were to be distributed across society via democratic mechanisms then inequality and poverty (inevitable products of profit driven market based mechanisms for distribution) would likely disappear.

      • Colonial Viper 2.3.2

        Would be a great post Bill, if you could put it together at some stage. Although I’m familiar with some of the concepts I don’t know enough about the specifics of how a privately held small business could be legally transformed into a co-op, when the right “circumstances” arise.

        As for workers being uncertain/anxous about the responsibilities of owning their own business, that is understandable, but given how many people have gone from being employees to contracting/consulting and have become GST registered etc themselves, I don’t think its too big a hurdle to get past.

        Re: the operating hierarchy of a business, I think there will always be a role for some sort of hierarchy of decision makers in a larger business, in order to expedite day to day and week to week matters of business. But the managers/supervisors will be democratically elected from amongst their peers, and if they fail to perform can just as easily be replaced. And for the more important or bigger strategic decisions of the business, all the shareholders of the co-op (ie the body of workers) can meet say once a month, discuss and vote on the matters of consequence.

        PS nice side benefit of workers gaining first hand experience of how democratic systems work…

        • Draco T Bastard 2.3.2.1

          I think there will always be a role for some sort of hierarchy of decision makers in a larger business, in order to expedite day to day and week to week matters of business.

          Not necessarily a hierarchy but an administration that reports to the workers who are themselves part of the larger co-op.

        • Bill 2.3.2.2

          If you can get your head around the idea that although certain administative or managerial functions need to be performed, it’s not necessary to have a single person or committee of people or whatever assigned to positions or assume roles per se in order for those things to be done – then you can make a clean break from static or fixed heirarchies.

          And if you don’t abolish the positions while maintaining the functions of the positions through, for example, extensive systems for knowledge and skill sharing, then you will simply recreate the same deleterious vertical divisions of labour that we currently have.

          And yeah. It’s always kind of ‘amused’ me that a worker will baulk in fear at the idea of a collective and then use redundancy compensation to make a go at establishing their own business…a far riskier undertaking in terms of vulnerability.

          • Draco T Bastard 2.3.2.2.1

            Ideally you’d want it to be cyclical. Moving from the workspace to administration and back again so that no one becomes divorced from either. If the co-op also has research (which it should do) then you’d want people cycling through that as well.

            • Bill 2.3.2.2.1.1

              Ideally you’d want it to be cyclical. Moving from the workspace to administration and back again so that no one becomes divorced from either.

              Or have both areas straddled similtaneously. There is no reason why people performing admin tasks can’t perform more immediate production tasks too. And although those not interested in admin tasks, or who just naturally lack the ability to perform them, would be in the workplace only, there is no reason why they can’t perfrom a range of tasks there instead of being tied to the one task/area all of the time.

              So it’s perfectly feasible to envisage somebody undertaking ‘office related’ tasks one day and shop floor tasks the next…or in the afternoon or whatever. And it’s also perfectly feasible for the grotty or mundane things to be attended to by everyone via some equitable mechanism – y’know, things such as general cleaning or cleaning the loos or whatever.

              • Colonial Viper

                In Mondragon manufacturing facilities, workers commonly do the same job only for 2 or 4 hours at a time, before going to another role on the factory floor. Gives both the body and the brain a change. So I agree completely.

                And you have to take into account those people who excel/like a certain work role as well.

        • prism 2.3.2.3

          CV
          Wouldn’t it be good if the trend to contractors, which I have thought is a sneaky way of employers getting out of responsibility for the wellbeing if workers, actually is a training step to getting into a true small business. (As contracting often is dependent or nearly on full-time work from one company, hence my feeling that they should be employees.)

          • Colonial Viper 2.3.2.3.1

            +1

            And there’s a model for it: the Marcora law in Italy. It dates from the 1980s, and I advocate for that here. If you become unemployed in Italy, you are given a choice. Option A: you go on unemployment like in America, you get a weekly check for a couple years, that’s your unemployment benefit. But you can choose an alternative if you wish. The government of Italy will give you the entire two to three years of unemployment right now in a lump sum. But here’s the condition. You must get together with eight or 10 other unemployed people to make the same choice with you at the same time, and you must commit to using the lump sum as the startup capital for a collective enterprise, cooperatively owned and operated by all of you unemployed people.

            http://www.alternet.org/richard-d-wolff-can-we-remake-our-workplaces-be-more-democratic?paging=off

        • Balanced View 2.3.2.4

          Very interesting idea.
          What are the objectives of running this? And are there any examples of this actually happening successfully in a competitive market environment?
          Although I like the idea, I just cant see it working that well.

          • Bill 2.3.2.4.1

            What are the objectives of running this?

            Where to begin. The restoration of one’s dignity through no longer beng a wage slave? Efficiency and productivity sky rocketing? Working far fewer hours for the same renumeration as at present? Being an integral part of a functional democratic environment? Individual and collective empowerment? Workplace satisfaction? Oh, and I could go on but that should be enough to be going on with; enough to ‘give you the picture’.

            And are there any examples of this actually happening successfully in a competitive market environment?

            Yes. And I could write at length from personal experience of my time as a part of a succesful worker’s collective. But I won’t. Because I’ve done it before here on ‘thestandard’.

            • Balanced View 2.3.2.4.1.1

              Well nice idea, and nice theory. However the fact that these discussions here exist suggests that there are not many current examples. So either the model is not usually successful, or there is a lack of will to make it happen.
              I suspect it is a combination of both.

              • blue leopard

                @ Balanced [?] View

                …gee I’m glad that great minds and inventors of the past didn’t adhere to your logic: “there are not many current examples ergo the model is not successful ergo…do I detect a “not worth trying” in there???

                • Balanced View

                  Your criticism would be valid if it was a new idea, but it isn’t, in fact its one of the oldest society models there is.
                  So I stand by my earlier point

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Your view is uninformed, and unimportant. Thanks for the derail though, its very interesting you would take the time to attack the idea of real life democracy.

              • Draco T Bastard

                So either the model is not usually successful, or there is a lack of will to make it happen.

                Or their are systemic barriers preventing it from happening, or…

                Life isn’t as simple as you seem to believe.

                • Balanced View

                  Hi DTB,
                  What are the barriers?
                  I’m certain that if the model was successful and there was a will to make it work, there would be many businesses in NZ operating like this as we speak. I’m not saying there aren’t any, but I certainly haven’t knowingly come across one.

                  • Draco T Bastard

                    What are the barriers?

                    Just guessing a few here:
                    1.) Lack of the necessary social networking
                    2.) Lack of access to money
                    3.) Lack of the necessary knowledge needed to work through the system
                    4.) Unable to support themselves while they initiate a huge risk and no other support available (I think this is the biggest – people have the ideas and the will, they just don’t have enough resources to actually apply them)

                    That’s a few I could think of in a couple of minutes – there will be more but probably need research to really find them.

                    I’m not saying there aren’t any, but I certainly haven’t knowingly come across one.

                    So you’ve tried to make a cooperative? No? So that would mean that you’re talking out your arse then.

                    • Balanced View

                      I don’t think any of those reasons are substantially different from anyone going into business for the first time.
                      Have I tried to make a cooperative – no. Have you? If not then I guess you can join me in talking sh1t

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      I don’t think any of those reasons are substantially different from anyone going into business for the first time.

                      Really? You do know that most business start-ups fail don’t you? But here’s the thing, it’s easier to try it with one person than finding several people to do it together, i.e, see 1.).

                      And, yes, a lot of the barriers will be the same. Have you ever considered that may be why not everyone is in business?

                      Have I tried to make a cooperative – no. Have you? If not then I guess you can join me in talking sh1t

                      You were the one that said you haven’t come across any barriers regarding setting up a co-op.

                  • McFlock

                    Well, one of the barriers is people like you who seek to undermine the idea from the very beginning.

                    • Balanced View

                      Bulldust.
                      Shouldn’t make any difference what people like me think.
                      Actually, I like the theory of it. I just question it’s capability to be successful.

                    • McFlock

                      Yeah, that’s the stuff.
                         
                      Rather than looking for ways it could be made successful, you just sit and snipe questions.  
                             
                      Had a team member like you once. He ended up managing to obliterate team morale and capability to the point that everyone was reassigned. Then, apparently, he did the same to the next team. Got kicked out in the end, I heard.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Tories and farmers love the idea of co-ops. They can be very successful and very profitable. Just look at where Fonterra, Ravensdown, Silver Fern Farms, PGG, CRT and many others have come from.

                      Funny how Balanced View is completely ignorant.

                  • blue leopard

                    @ Balanced View

                    Here are a few links, from some very quick google searches; most of them are about cooperatives (not democratic ones).

                    A review on a book which has studied strengths and weaknesses in cooperatives:
                    http://www.workerscontrol.net/authors/essential-components-workplace-democracy

                    Info about Nz cooperatives:
                    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1203/S00957/cooperatives-showcase-their-mutual-benefits.htm

                    http://www.nz.coop/membership/

                    With stats on cooperatives around the world:
                    http://www.geo.coop/story/power-cooperation

                    I had no idea it was The Year of the Cooperative!

                    • Balanced View

                      Thanks Leopard (and Rosy). The links are interesting. I thought the Mondragon model was especially interesting and closer to what has been proposed above. Having senior manager salaries linked to the business minimum wage is something that a lot of businesses should work towards.
                      The NZ versions Viper lists above are quite removed to these ideals, and I would suggest don’t come close to achieving the main goals and objectives that have been outlined to me.

                  • blue leopard

                    @ Balanced View

                    Yeah, I hadn’t realised how many cooperatives were around…and most aren’t the model of including the workers in the cooperative, as Viper’s example, yet, still, I had heard there were difficulties in keeping them going, so interesting to see that the form can work.

                    “Having senior manager salaries linked to the business minimum wage is something that a lot of businesses should work towards.”

                    Yes, would make a big difference.

              • rosy

                balanced view… Check out John Lewis in the UK http://www.johnlewispartnership.co.uk/
                and Mondragon in Spain http://www.mondragon-corporation.com/ENG.aspx

                You might be surprised.

    • blue leopard 2.4

      @ CV (2)

      Fantastic article (and website) cheers
      :D

    • McFlock 2.5

      Seemed to work so well in Argentina that the government recognised the concept. :)

  3. rosy 3

    Family court chaos

    “It is only a matter of time before someone is injured, or worse, as a consequence of court proceedings not being dealt with, or orders not being issued,” society family law section chairman Garry Collin said.
    Principal Family Court Judge Peter Boshier has written to the ministry with his “continuing concern” about the system, and asked for a meeting with Justice Minister Judith Collins.
    A nationwide rollout would be a disaster, Collin says. “The model is fundamentally flawed.”

    Someone should have told them a fundamental review would result in delays and negative social impacts

    the Law Society firmly believed that substantial charges to the Family Court were not appropriate. Instead, with some targeted legislative amendments to reduce fiscal costs, the Family Court should remain significantly unchanged.

    The the 81-page Law Society submission on the Family Court submission concludes:

    11.1 – It is easier to be critical than to be correct and it is important in considering the undoubted challenges confronted by this review not to make changes merely to be seen to be “doing something”
    .
    11.2 – Family law is still law. It embraces legal rights and legal responsibilities. It sets boundaries. It is the product of statutes created by Parliament. Citizens are entitled to pursue available remedies and to be brought to account for perceived breaches and shortcomings. Care needs to be taken not to trivialise this by closing the door to the Family Court’s expertise and specialties.

    11.3 – Access to justice and the associated issue of equality of arms should not be lightly put aside. Claims that if parties too readily resort to the Family Court, they are discouraged from finding their own solutions are both overblown and unsubstantiated, although they fit the model of confronting the fiscal emergency.

    11.4 – Care needs to be taken to ensure that changes, however well-intentioned, do not have unintended consequences. Simplistic solutions are likely to create more difficulties than they resolve. In the Law Society’s view, the data provided in support of the review do not justify substantial changes to the Family Court. With some targeted legislative amendments to reduce fiscal costs, the Family Court should remain significantly unchanged at this point in time. The Law Society reiterates that the exercise of greater discipline, refinements to existing systems and procedures, and a properly resourced Registry, would enable the Family Court to serve the purpose for which it was established, in a fiscally sustainable manner

    More short-term thinking about a fiscal emergency in the family courts rather that thinking about the long-term costs – both economically and to society from single-minded thinking looks like it’s producing an ugly, expensive outcome. Judith Collins must re-think these changes before adding to the appalling toll of family violence.

    • Hi Rosy

      The reorganization is the most inept that I have seen.  The Waitakere Family Court used to be really good to deal with.  Urgent applications would be turned around within 12 hours and the Judges knew the files well.  Cases would be dealt with quickly and not left to fester.

      There was quite a roadshow with the reforms and we were promised that things would not only remain the same but get better.  Hearing times would be available more quickly.  Judge time would be more available.  I did not believe it from the start because there were also redundancies happening.

      And the reality is that it has been a total shambles.  A week’s wait for a decision in an urgent application is not uncommon.

      To add to this the changes in legal aid are going to drive up the demand in court time, not reduce it.  And the cutting in counseling and use of mandatory mediation are going to mean that things will only get worse.

      The current Government has no idea what it is doing to justice.  This is really scary. 

      • muzza 3.1.1

        The current Government has no idea what it is doing to justice. This is really scary.

        Why do people keep believing the govt dont know what they are doing, its simply allows them to be lazy and wait until the next govt comes along….more of the same

        Loop and repeat every electoral cycle!

        Newsflash to all: The government knows exactly what it is doing, its being directed!

        • tc 3.1.1.1

          Agree with Muzza and I thought one of the reasons Power slunk off to the banking industry was he couldn’t climb back into his cosy lawyers world as he’d made enemies of them with the reforms he slammed through.

          • muzza 3.1.1.1.1

            Power went to Wespac, because its the government bank, and having him “inside”, simply BAU for the revolving door policy. “Good business I think they call that, and it allows power to be groomed off radar without the media focus!

            Look for Power to return to politics, at a politically “necessary” time, almost certainly as leader of the Nats.

      • North 3.1.2

        The government’s doctrinaire, blundering, hamfisted “reform” of legal aid has turned the relative silk purse of that institution into an undoubted pig’s ear.

        Parallel to soundbites cynically badmouthing criminal legal aid lawyers particularly, it was glibly vaunted that the natural consequence of changes would (a) reinforce experienced legal aid lawyers’ commitment to legal aid, and (b) attract to legal aid greater numbers of experienced lawyers.

        It is uncontestable that the reverse has occurred as to (a) and you can forget the fantasy all over (b). Those devising and leading changes were on notice as to the outcomes now with us. It must therefore be that the public was knowingly misled. If it’s not that we can look only to extreme negligence/incompetence.

        Uncontestable reports of resulting failure and dysfunction conveyed to the Ministry of Justice from the highest levels of the District Court bench have simply gone unanswered.

        Legal aid as an anywhere near viable institution and criminal legal aid particularly is heading for collapse. What do we have in answer to this crisis in an indispensable wing of our justice system ? Seemingly not much more than the now commonplace Morning Report refrain – “The minister was not available for interview……..”.

      • RedBaron 3.1.3

        Over 6 months delay in the Welllington area for submissions only hearings. Okay money is less important than safety but still means some are starving.

        Trouble is this ADR is feeding the problems. Just gives one parent a chance to harry the other over an extended period. Two years later most “access” parents arn’t turning up and are paying only $12 per week.
        It’s a ridiculously expensive system with rubbish outcomes.

      • prism 3.1.4

        mickysavage
        A good summation of our present passing-for government.

        The current Government has no idea what it is doing to justice. This is really scary.

        I’d stop at – the current government (and one can’t say ‘ours’) has no idea. About what anything it is attempting to do will achieve for our nation’s good. And doesn’t care because doing something that pleases one’s present or soon-to-be friends is all that counts, including in the counting of course is the money that the system lavishes on these prime people.

        • muzza 3.1.4.1

          I’d stop at – the current government (and one can’t say ‘ours’) has no idea. About what anything it is attempting to do will achieve for our nation’s good.

          As opposed to any previous government going back decades, which have clearly been working for NZ, as opposed to against it! /sarc

          Prism, when a government looks blatantly to be working against a country, and the vast majority of its people, the government is broken, and the people have let it become their enemy, so the people are getting exactly what their apathy has created. How much more obvious for people does it need to become! I guess the next few years will answer that question, and still there will be be many who ponder, “why does the government not have any idea”….Again I will just repeat, that when it looks like the government has no idea, its because they are executing someone else’s agenda!

          Another newsflash: The “soon to be friends” you refer, are the same “friends” they have alsways been, regardless of government, and the sooner people wrap their skulls around that, the sooner we can get some energy working the right angles..

    • muzza 3.2

      Judith Collins must re-think these changes before adding to the appalling toll of family violence.

      A police decision to drop family violence as a category in crime statistics will obscure a nationwide rise in domestic abuse, Women’s Refuge says.

      I would suggest a rethink is optimistic!

      • mickysavage 3.2.1

        You can imagine what will happen.  Collins will get up and praise the magnificence of the National Government whose rule has caused the crime rate to drop.

        And more women will get beaten and killed. 

        • muzza 3.2.1.1

          MS – I think that is a certainty, which is why I keep links to such articles filed!

  4. Morrissey 4

    Would YOU trust this politician to lie straight in bed?

    “It’s important to understand that this is not about Mr. Assange’s activities at WikiLeaks or the attitude of the United States of America.”

    William Hague, British Foreign Secretary, Thursday 16 August 2012

    http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/17/lawyer_raid_on_embassy_to_arrest

  5. Te Reo Putake 5

    Apropos of nothing, here’s Tanya Gold on rape jokes. Caution, misogynists may find the content challenging.

    • weka 5.1

      That’s pretty shocking but not surprising.
       

      It’s true; even comedians that don’t do misogynist material are protective of those that do, because they are wary of censorship and contemptuous of hecklers. When Daniel Tosh was told by a female punter that “rape jokes are never funny” he asked the audience, “Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by, like, five guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her …” Other comics defended him and the promoter said: “You start dishing out something to a comic and try to be funny, you better be able to take it.”
       

      Tosh probably doesn’t realise how many of the women in his audience have been sexually assaulted (one in four is the usually accepted number). Although if he did know I’m sure he wouldn’t care.
       

  6. vto 6

    Starter for ten … (you need a copy of the Sunday Star Times)

    Across page 4 and 5 of the SST – John Ansell, Todd McLay and Hone Harawira ….

    which ones are the racists and why?

    • chris73 6.1

      Well Hones racist but I don’t know about the other two

      • Morrissey 6.1.1

        Well Hones racist but I don’t know about the other two

        You know bugger all, judging by what you’ve posted recently.

      • muzza 6.1.2

        Are you as limited as your words indicate?

        The most rac*st people in the world are corporations/governments, and any “organisation” which we see promoting itself as being against racisim. Think IOC, FIFA and the rest of the alphabet agencies, which are generally speaking headed by people, who have rac*st ingrained deeply into their soul, among other truly awful traits.

        Stupid people can’t see through the charade, and in case you’re one of them, the most rac*st peoople in this country are almost exclusively white, and belong to the same clubs.

  7. vto 7

    One more thing on the same theme ….. on Q+A this morning there was interview with two gentlemen over water rights. The older gentleman clearly and concisely laid out the issues in a way that made unseratsnding easy. He reiterated the status of two laws in NZ. Customary law and common law and the way in which they influence Maori and the rest of NZ. It all made sense and was well worth listening to. What the interviewer didn’t cover, and I guess wasn’t in hs brief for this, was how those two systems fit together and how well they serve a community over time. This is the bigger issue in the long term and it is not acknowledged or discussed in any proper manner. Yet.

  8. Jackal 8

    Cameron Slater vs Colonial Viper

    Of course this isn’t really about upholding high moral standards at all, and is simply being used by the hypocrite Cameron Slater to undertake another baseless attack on the excellent leftwing blog The Standard…

  9. chris73 9

    A quite insightful comment from one of the contributors to whaleoil, not sure I agree with all the points though…

    Cunliffe will not make it – hope he has the job he went overseas to seek.
    Reasons:-
    He is male
    He has a brain
    He is not Queer
    He is not a Unionist
    He is not a Teacher
    He is quite wealthy (along with his Lawyer wife)
    He has never worn a cloth cap either
    He is in wrong Party

    • QoT 9.1

      :roll:

      You know you’re dealing with serious comments when they use scare-caps on words like “queer”.

      • Morrissey 9.1.1

        chris73 thinks, when he thinks at all, in clichés. That’s fine in the National and ACT parties, but we expect more in an online discussion group, surely.

    • DH 9.2

      So you think Shearer won’t make it chris73, what with him not meeting any of those criteria either.

      ……………..

      These right wing trolls remind me of the Borg. The great leader gets a boner about something & it’s spread throughout the collective for the drones to propagate. They’re all the bloody same.

      The latest tit-tangle for these trolls is unions, you’d think it was the ’70s the way they’re carrying on.

      • chris73 9.2.1

        Actually I think Shearer could make it but it depends on the actions of the labour caucus. Labour would/should have won the last election and Goff would be the PM but for whatever reason the Labour MPs seemed to develop a serious case of foot in mouth.

        If all the Labour MPs just STFU in the lead up to the next election then Shearer should win.

        But they won’t/can’t help themselves (attention seeking perhaps?)

        “The latest tit-tangle for these trolls is unions, you’d think it was the ’70s the way they’re carrying on.”
        -Funny I’d have thought the same thing about the unions

        • DH 9.2.1.1

          “-Funny I’d have thought the same thing about the unions”

          Oh come now. The unions today have very little influence on politics, the workplace or NZ society in general. The right have gone all ‘reds under the bed’ because the unions made them look complete fools over the recent Talleys and Ports of Auck disputes. A quiet spoken & well mannered lady wiped the floor with all the sneering braggarts & posers and the right can’t handle it.

          • Chris 9.2.1.1.1

            What’s actually happened with both the Talleys and Ports disputes? I haven’t heard anything for ages so assume things are pretty sorted, but I have never actually heard of any collective agreement being signed for either. Has that happened?

    • To chris 73,

      You are showing complete ignorance regarding your cloth
      cap comment.Only once was it worn by the great Socialist/Pacifist ,Keir Hardie who worn it in the British Parliament to make a point. Perhaps you should read a bit of history before you make such comments which only highlights your lack of political knowledge,

  10. Draco T Bastard 10

    Seems that charter schools are as unpopular as decreasing the number of teachers. Considering the news that some of them will be teaching Creationism I’d say that they’re about to become even less so.

  11. Jackal 11

    Vladimir Putin – Asshole of the Week

    Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with Pussy Riot causing a public disturbance and everything to do with closing down criticism of the current regime…

    • blue leopard 11.1

      @ Jackal

      What makes you think that the political interference involved in this court-case outcome is Russian?

      Could be of a false flag nature?

      • Jackal 11.1.1

        False flag operation? I can assure you that the members of Pussy Riot are Russian citizens and I very much doubt their activism has been influenced by foreign interests wanting to destabilize Putins reign… He’s doing a pretty good job of that himself.

        It’s interesting though that this issue has gained more media attention than the recent widespread public protests about election fraud. However I haven’t seen any similar cases of disinformation concerning the Pussy Riot issue. As far as I can tell there’s no link to a black flag operation.

        • kiwi_prometheus 11.1.1.1

          But its a PUNK band which means it’s imported Western capitalist decadent culture stuff!

          Very destabilising for dictators.

          Of course they get more attention because of our shallow fame/celebrity obsessed MTV entertainment media culture.

        • blue leopard 11.1.1.2

          @ Jackal,

          Wasn’t meaning Pussy Riot’s actions. I was meaning the long sentence, which you appear to be assuming was influenced by Vladimir Putin, however simply from reading your article, one could also view the information, with belief that Vladimir Putin truly saw merit in not imposing a long sentence and the influence effecting the court’s sentencing was coming from another quarter.

          I believe Russia isn’t falling into line with big money interests’ desires to ‘get on in there’ into the Middle East and this is the quarter that I would immediately query.

          Also explains the wide coverage.

          I am inconclusive about this, merely questioning, yet admit to being entirely suspicious of main media outlets’ ability to convey information that suits only one main interest: big money.

          (…of course there may be no “influence” at all….)

          • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.2.1

            Putin had a very difficult balancing act to pull off with this. He had to satisfy a lot of local political and religious interests pissed off with P.R. A lot of whom are his core political base. Plus send a message that this kind of political expression is not particularly welcome. While not crossing the line of Russia becoming dictatorial or tyrannical, in international opinion.

            So a 2 year sentence less time served probably passes muster. Don’t be surprised if there is an early release due to good behaviour or what not in 12 months. Probably at a time he needs to soften international opinion.

            • blue leopard 11.1.1.2.1.1

              @CV

              So you have no doubts that such an occurrence could have anything to do with interests other than internal Russian ones?

              • Colonial Viper

                Well, I’m reasonably confident. (Although the Russian political psyche is pretty opaque to outsiders…) The main reason being the massive level of international media coverage the case has received and the fact that Putin found himself forced to respond to that coverage officially. P.R. are now a card to be saved up and used later, if the occasion calls for it/allows for it.

          • Vicky32 11.1.1.2.2

            I believe Russia isn’t falling into line with big money interests’ desires to ‘get on in there’ into the Middle East and this is the quarter that I would immediately query.
             

            Me also!
            http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32225.htm

    • muzza 11.2

      The good old NED – Supporting freedom around the world

      I reckon you should look a little deeper into those taking pot shots at Russia!

  12. Draco T Bastard 12

    Looks like this government is going against the populations will regarding land sales as well. And good on the Greens for calling out this governments habit of bullying.

  13. prism 13

    One of the Taranaki three appears to have been found. The instructor who has lost his life along with two of his group, was remembered by his wife as someone who was always quick to get involved. It seems a pity that people don’t take up Slow Adventuring similar to the move to Slow Food in opposition to Fast Food. Even perhaps daring to decide that it is too chancy to go out after making a reasoned assessment of the conditions, which would take time. Incidents like this blacken the image of responsibility, integrity and carefulness of outdoor ‘experts or professionals’ or whatever they call themselves. All based on the idea that outdoor pursuits are good and make a man of you – what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger eh!

    I remember Outward Bound having to change from its gung-ho approach to its wilderness experience with people who didn’t know the territory and the dangers. This was after Susan Consedine slid over the edge of a bluff to her death, and also one other died.. I think it was misty, the ground was damp, there was a gravel-covered slope to the edge of the bluff and not anything that could be grabbed to stop what must have been a frightful slide to disaster.

    (from google)
    The last death was in 1993, when 22- year-old journalist Susan Consedine fell down a 61-metre bluff …
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/latest-edition/6402583/Bound-to-succeed

    Notable is the mention of a previous military course.in the item. “Outward Bound was founded in 1941 by the German educator Kurt Hahn. It was originally devised for The Blue Funnel Shipping Line as a training course for their young sailors during World War II.”

    Also on this line – from wikipedia on Prince Charles’ education which is relevant to Kurt Hahn who has had a lot of influence on educational ideas. The Prince attended Gordonstoun and his thoughts were “Reportedly the Prince despised his time at the latter school – “Colditz in kilts”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales#Education

    Gordonstoun in the north-east of Scotland was founded in 1934 by German educator Kurt Hahn, Three previous generations of British royalty were educated at Gordonstoun since its establishment including the Duke of Edinburgh and the Prince of Wales.[5] Due to Dr. Hahn’s influence the school has a strong connection with Germany and forms part of the Round Square Conference of Schools, a group of over 60 schools across the globe also founded by Hahn.

    It could be that many of these attitudes of conquering and fighting fears and so on could be traced to military training attitudes that tend to be ‘resigned’ about deaths occurring to souls in their care.

  14. Excellent photo of JK on Facebook

  15. bad12 15

    In today’s Herald Bernard Hickey makes some strange comments, i am not sure just how tongue in cheek hickey is being when He calls for the former money trading Prime Minister to again enter the fray so to speak on behalf of lowering the historically high value of the New Zealand dollar,

    Essentially what Hickey says is that the likes of the Brits,US, and Japan are in the process of ‘printing’ loads of paper money, which dilutes the value of their currency’s and to avoid any suggestion of creating internal inflationary pushes in their own economy’s ‘exporting’ the stuff by buying up Government bonds in the likes of Australia and New Zealand, thus making us and our children responsible for adding the ‘labour’ to such fictional ‘money’ to in essence make the stuff more real than the stuff produced by the ”pixies at the bottom of the garden”, (to quote Slippery our Prime Minister),

    The Heralds Hickey goes into a ‘us too’ over this,(no discussion about the morality at all),and it’s here the suggestion is that the master money trader himself, Slippery the Prime Minister, step into the breach and return the favor, perhaps tenfold, to those economy’s which in essence are now treating the New Zealand economy as a ‘slave economy’ to wash it’s excessive printings of money through,

    I frimly believe the whole thrust of the Herald article is either a pisstake by Hickey, or, there’s something in the water up that way, and,we all have to assume that Bernard had to suspend quite some part of His belief system in writing it,

    First, we all have to actually believe the back story of the Slippery little Shyuster currently installed as the Prime Minister, which i for one call bullshit upon, sure money trader He was but don’t for a minute believe that Slippery was head-honcho of any of it,

    After a career in the (fraudulent?)banking industry he walked away with 50 mill a huge fortune as far as any of us have the fingers to count it, but, in the great scheme of things in the fraudulent world of international banking our Prime Minister was simply a minor functionary, the under-boss running a small team of serfs among many under-bosses running small teams of serfs,

    The real big fish operating the complex and complicated frauds which are at the heart of and account for the profits and losses of the international banking system over the past decade earn sums like 50 million a year, 100 million a year, not the piddling 50 mill our Prime Minister managed to eke from the rort over a decade,

    That’s what makes me call bullshit on that particular fairy tale, our Prime Minister the big time money trader???, nah, a small functionary well rewarded for doing exactly as He was told, money trader extraordinaire???, frigging doubt that big time, i doubt whether our Prime Minister ever made any trade anywhere at any time that He wasn’t told to by someone higher up in the sharks tank of (fraudulent?) international banking to make,

    So,the Heralds Hickey might want to consider a wiser option in the grand scheme of attempting to export New Zealand’s competitive disadvantage, a high priced dollar, back from whence it came from,

    (a),Sure print the stuff, but, spend it into the New Zealand economy helping to solve another problem that economy is suffering from,

    (b), Spending the stuff, printed money, into our own economy need not lead to undue inflation, we simply need know how many millions injected into the economy equals 1% of inflation and thus spend such money at a pace that keeps within the Reserve Bank’s monetary targets,

    (c), Build with such money high density housing for low income people, which i would suggest in the future is going to be the majority of us thus taking the heat out of the New Zeland housing market,

    (d), I suspect that the Herald’s Hickey has bundles of the stuff, money that is,tied up in the housing market thus advocates keeping the internal market over-revving…

    • Colonial Viper 15.1

      re (d): – I’ve met Hickey before and I figure that he would be honestly insulted at your suggestion. He’s frequently indicated that NZ must deleverage its very high private debt levels and move on from allocating capital into unproductive real estate assets. Which is the opposite to “over-revving the internal market”.

      (b), Spending the stuff, printed money, into our own economy need not lead to undue inflation, we simply need know how many millions injected into the economy equals 1% of inflation and thus spend such money at a pace that keeps within the Reserve Bank’s monetary targets,

      It doesn’t quite work like that. If you spend the printed dollars into increasing the productive and competitive aspects of the economy, market pricing (and therefore inflation) will remain under controlled.

      If it turns out at any stage that money supply needs to be reduced, you can tighten up on the availability of private interest bearing debt, increase taxes or increase savings rates.

      • bad12 15.1.1

        It doesn’t quite work like that???, well if it works like what you have pointed at we would need hire an idiot savant to do whatever it is you suggest…

        • Colonial Viper 15.1.1.1

          Prof Steve Keen is developing quantitative computational models of endogenous money systems. Ones which use starting points far different from typical neoliberal assumptions. And he is visiting NZ soon.

      • prism 15.1.2

        CV
        Can you tell Treasury that. I think this idea must have been filed away on one of the hard drives they have had and got wiped when they updated their technology.

    • muzza 15.2


      FXC – Class of 2000

      John Carter, Lehman
      James Kemp, Citigroup
      John Key, Merrill Lynch
      Adam Kreysar, UBS Warburg

      I would say that having been a member of the FXC would indicate, that it is quite feaseable Key was not at the level of underlings you suggest.

      Have a look at some of the names in the list, some of the worlds biggest criminals are there…They are all underlings, sure, but to underestimate what Key does/does not know, or has/has not done, would be naiive.

      I would also suggest that the figure of 50m, was lowered considerably to make it palpable for kiwis.

      • bad12 15.2.1

        As far as being on the Fed goes, it depends what the masters were grooming Him for is how i see that little appointment,

        Any indication of the where this missing pot oif gold might be stashed or how big it might be,

        On the reported fortune,50 million and falling our Slippery Prime Minister was after a decade or so definitely in terms of cash one of the minnows of the fraudulent international banking industry,

        The big boys from the upper echelons easily make that in a year…

    • AnnaLiviaPluraBella 15.3

      BAD to the power of 12.

      BAD by name and by nature too?

      Hickey is s very well informed, hard working and very straight-up guy.  He desereves respect, not the baseless ramblings that you shoved through your keyboard.

      I’ve no idea how anyones actually knows what someone like Key is worth. But he certainly had a very senior role.  There are only about 30 members on the NY FXC at any one-time and he was one.  Yes he was there as an Exec employee of ML but he was certaily right in the middle of it. He had full responsibility and accountability.  Don’t let him off the hook with your fanciful view of the world.    

      • bad12 15.3.1

        My point exactly, Key was certainly there in the thick of it, and there in the thick of it as a mid level employee of Merrill Lynch,

        Glad to see we can establish that as some basis upon which we agree, actually we agree on everything about Slippery,

        He was a mid level employee put forward by the hierarchy of Merrill Lynch to do their bidding as far as the rate fixing that went on (and still goes on?),within that organization, which, in my opinion just proves more my point that He was just another underling doing the business of those higher up in the shark tank,

        In all of it, thew higher echelons of Merrill Lynch would have been instructing the Slippery little Shyster on what rates they wanted set and when He was on the trading floor He would have been plugged into those higher up within Merrill Lynch who themselves would have been co-operating with their fellow executives in other banking organizations and i doubt for not one minute that He would not have issued a buy or sell order without first being instructed to by someone higher up in the shark tank,

        Oh you bet that Slippery and all the under-bosses on His level knew exactly what they were doing and knew exactly when they were and were not undertaking illegal activity BUT He was the fire-wall between His level of responsibility and that of His Bosses, should the excrement have become entangled within the ventilation system it would have been the Slippery’s who become coated in the stuff as far as responsibility for criminal wrong-doing was concerned,

        Where you think i give the Slippery’s of the world any form of out as far as responsibility goes is as far as i can see all part of your imagination, and,as far as His nett worth goes it’s been well reported and a stash that size tends to suggest that Slippery was as i say a mid-level gang-boss in the great scheme of things as far as Merrill Lynch is concerned,

        And, to your wee whine about Bernard Hickey, diddums, He wrote the piece in the Herald some of which i disagree with and wish to comment upon, which is what i understand ‘Open Mike’ is for,

        If Bernard want’s to take issue with what i have written then i assume He is free to also attend and take me to task if He so wishes,and whether ‘insulted’ or deserving of ‘respect’ that buckwheat is a matter of personal opinion and you waste your time attempting to tell me what i can and cannot write as i just don’t give a s**t about your infantile little fan-club support of Him…

        • Colonial Viper 15.3.1.1

          and whether ‘insulted’ or deserving of ‘respect’ that buckwheat is a matter of personal opinion and you waste your time attempting to tell me what i can and cannot write as i just don’t give a s**t about your infantile little fan-club support of Him…

          Seriously, what is your emotional age. The irony of you using the term “infantile”.

          You’re in for a hard old life aren’t you, if you can’t tell the difference between friends and enemies, and between people who know the game and people who don’t.

          • bad12 15.3.1.1.1

            Yawn, thats just a pile of gobbledy-gook, i am not about to sit here and defend what i commented to another poster to the likes of you,

            Address the facts of what i started out discussing or don’t bother as your personal little vindictive snippets of vitriol directed at me are at worst Yawn material or at best something to point finger and laugh at…

  16. Molly Polly 16

    This may explain something…

    Mallard was spotted at a recent NZ Royal Ballet production of Cinderella in Wellington, tête à tête with well-known political journalist, columnist for the NZ Listener and former partner of Foreign Affairs Minister, Murray McCully.

    Just saying.

  17. Draco T Bastard 17

    Charter schools are just sooo good:

    The meeting at Crescendo Preparatory South was progressing as usual when the acting principal dropped a bombshell: She had been given copies of the upcoming standardized tests. The teachers were to study them, take notes — and make sure the kids got it.

    Yeah, sure they are.

  18. Ianmac in Ho Chi Minh city 18

    This shows an approach by the belief that to excel one needs to pass tests at all costs. This one became public but guess how often cheating was done out of site. Roll on National Standards as incentive to prove “excellence.”
    Oops. This to DTB.

  19. AmaKiwi 20

    Three more NZ soldiers die in Afghanistan. What will Labour say?

    Last time Shearer said he backed Key: we should stay.

    His foreign affairs spokesperson, Phil Goff, said we should get out.

    Audio clip: Adobe Flash Player (version 9 or above) is required to play this audio clip. Download the latest version here. You also need to have JavaScript enabled in your browser.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10824900

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    Parents will know the pester power unleashed by offering collectables such as toys (or in the case of Countdown, cards). This tactic has long been used by fast food companies to lure in kids. Now it is being used as...
    Gareth’s World | 28-08
  • Stop spinning the debate
    Take the people saying  ‘all David Cunliffe has to do is draw’. Unfortunately, last year David Cunliffe’s supporters in the leadership contest argued he should lead the  party because of his superior debating skills....
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Mayor’s Long Term Plan proposal released
    This morning the mayor released his proposal for the Long Term Plan, which outlines the 10 year budget for the city. This is the first stage in a 9 month process. Long-term Plan timeline August 2014 – Mayor’s LTP proposal...
    Transport Blog | 28-08
  • New Fisk
    Israel-Gaza conflict: No victory for Israel despite weeks of devastation...
    No Right Turn | 27-08
  • Public servants are now afraid to do their duty
    How afraid are public servants of Judith Collins? So afraid they won't perform their legal duty and transfer "political" OIA requests to her office. An FYI user asked the Ministry of Justice for information about the handling of OIA requests...
    No Right Turn | 27-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • What The Hell Was That! Reflections on the media’s coverage of the Intern...
    WHAT, EXACTLY, DO WE KNOW about the confrontation outside Internet-Mana’s campaign launch? Well, we know the news media was there in force. We also know Internet-Mana’s media person, Pam Corkery, blew her stack. We know that Corkery’s outburst led the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • NZ First candidate – homophobic, bennie bashing anti-intellectual clown
    Oh God, apart from Ron Mark, Tracey Martin, Curwen Rolinson and Winston before midday, the woeful cavalcade of political circus freaks NZ First seem to attract has picked up another hitchhiker. This time Epsom candidate Cliff Lyon who said this about Labour… “If...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Nicky Hager Public Meeting LIVESTREAM on The Daily Blog 7.30pm Wednesday 27...
    As part of our commitment to the 2014 Election debate, The Daily Blog will Livestream the Nicky Hager public meeting in Auckland, 7.30pm live from the Mt Eden War Memorial this Wednesday on this site. Doors open at 7pm. It...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Opening Night. It’s like an opera!
    On Saturday night just gone, we collectively experienced one of the premier panegyrys of political pageantry in our three yearly electoral cycle. For one glorious weekend evening every three years, it’s not the All Blacks or some Super 14 team, or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Unions – what ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Timor-Leste’s Parliament handed ‘humiliating’ defeat over harsh media...
    East Timorese journalists raise their hands to approve the Timor-Leste JournalistCode of Ethics in October 2013. Photo: Tempo Semanal/Cafe Pacific   David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. PACIFIC SCOOP reported this week that East Timor’s Appeal Court had scrapped...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • THIS is why we need a public broadcaster!
    The richest 20% of us in NZ own 70% of the wealth, with 18% in the hands of the second richest quintile, and 10% in the hands of the middle quintile. Just 2 per cent was owned by people in...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • A vote for Key is a vote for this
    A vote for Key is a vote for this...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • Why the Secret Intelligence Service feeding Cameron Slater information is s...
    Folks, it doesn’t matter if you are Right or Left, the issue of the Secret Intelligence Service being forced to feed a far right hate speech merchant like Cameron Slater with sensitive information is an ‘us’ issue. The SIS are...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • How lost and irrelevant are ACT?
    So ACT had it’s ‘launch’. Well, what passes as an ACT launch these days. Lot’s of anorak’s with that 1000 yard star and dreams of a Milton Friedman Free Market dancing behind their eyelids all crammed into a room small...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • National Party rowing advert aimed at Gen Xers
    Unkind wags such as myself would suggest that if the above were a real representation of National, it would look more like this…   National know they have the rural mob and the angry provincial vote locked in, with their...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • National Housing propaganda – McGehan Close Revisited
    .   . Housing has become a major, defining issue in New Zealand. We have critical shortages and escalating prices in  in the main centres and falling house values in the regions. The National government has addressed the supply &...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • New Zealand Shoppers- Demand Blue Tick Accredited Products
    Following ongoing concerns surrounding the issue of animal welfare in farming, particularly in the layer and broiler chicken sectors, the RNZSPCA is now asking consumers to purchase only eggs, pork, turkey and chicken that have been Accredited by the Blue...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Environment Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Environment Policy which recognises that New Zealand cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Candidate calls for an end to institutional racism
    29 AUGUST 2014 Tāmaki Makaurau candidate, Rangi McLean has spoken up in support of Irie Te Wehi-Takerei who was wrongfully accused of shoplifting at a Warehouse store in Manukau. "Over the last month, two different supermarkets have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Making tertiary education more accessible to Māori
    29 August 2014 The Māori Party launched its tertiary education policy today at Te Huinga Tauira o Te Mana Ākonga, the national hui for the Māori Teritary Students Association in Palmerston North. Te Tai Hauāuru candidate Chris McKenzie says the...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ Sign Language programmes receives $11 million boost
    Deaf Aotearoa are thrilled with Education minister Hekia Parata’s announcement this week that $11 million in funding will go towards a range of New Zealand Sign Language initiatives, including First Signs – a programme that involves sign language...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Abortion violates the Human Rights of Fathers
    Fathers1Right to Life is concerned at the glaring imbalance that exists in law, in regard to the rights of men to defend the lives of the children they have fathered. Fatherhood commences at conception. Children in the womb, just like...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Hundreds to join march against male violence in Auckland CBD
    Hundreds of supporters are expected to join the 'Take Back the Night' march through central Auckland streets tomorrow night in solidarity with making the streets safe for women and the rainbow community to walk without fear of male violence....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Classic example of need for Conservative policy
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar believes the sentencing of killer Aaron McDonald is a classic example of why an overhaul of the parole and sentencing system is required.”...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Greens & Labour Politicising Bullying in Schools
    Family First NZ says that both the Greens and Labour are wanting to politicise and sexualise school children under the guise of bullying programmes rather than deal with the school bullying issue as it should be dealt with....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington, marchers will assemble at Te Papa...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EPA grants marine consent for OMV exploration well
    The Environmental Protection Authority has granted a marine consent to OMV New Zealand Ltd for its Whio-1 exploration well in the Taranaki Basin....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • First anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria
    Members of the Syrian Community and friends are commemorating the first anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria, in Aotea Square on Saturday 30 August 2014, between 11-3 pm. The Assad regimes chemical attacks on al Ghouta were responsible...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Anniversary of the NZ Occupation of German Samoa
    Today, 29th August 2014, marks the 100 years centenary of the occupation of Samoa by New Zealand forces at the request of the British empire, ending the German rule of Samoa. It is also the starting point for the special...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Submissions sought on mosquito repellent
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a portable mosquito repellent for use outdoors. The repellent consists of a strip impregnated with metofluthrin, a substance from the pyrethroid family....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
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