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Open mike 22/03/2013

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, March 22nd, 2013 - 110 comments
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110 comments on “Open mike 22/03/2013”

  1. AsleepWhileWalking 1

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8458171/Evicted-beachcomber-says-he-ll-go-quietly

    This is bullshit. This guy is just spending more time on the beach than others.
    This “eviction” is so that the wealthy people can enjoy uninterrupted views as well as reinforcing the capital model of paying exorbitant rental…to the wealthy! We’ve just come full circle.

    An eccentric living in a hand-made driftwood and tarpaulin home on the foreshore near Oakura has been given his marching orders.

    But Eric Brewer, 62, says he is unfazed at the threat to remove him from his seaside home with the million-dollar views at Tapuae.

    “I’m out of here,” the sickness beneficiary told the Taranaki Daily News team whom he warmly welcomed into his beach bach on a perfect late summer’s afternoon yesterday.

    Averse to paying rent or a mortgage, he has no idea where he will go. He has lived off-and-on at Tapuae for nearly two decades.

    -snip-

    Mr Brewer concedes he is living on the Queen’s Chain but says it is confiscated Maori land.

    “I swear allegiance to this land, not the Queen of England,” he said.

    We need more like him.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 1.1

      OMG edit function is back!!

      [lprent: Yes. The result of some irritated and coffee concentrated cursing and other hard work. Turns out the the damn thing was trying to access admin functions without defining it as requiring a https connection. It will require some more work to get to play nicely with the rest of the system. But gives me more time to figure out a more elegant solution. ]

    • tc 1.2

      Like the Californian equivalent, Malibu, where the wealthy keep attempting to secure exclusive use of the beach in contrast to Venice Beach where it belongs to everyone.
      They’re wealthy enough to buy their own but there’s no ‘look at me and what I’ve got’ ‘value in that and Public land is free, just use the system to keep the riff raff out.

    • felix 1.3

      The New Plymouth District Council confirmed last night it was taking action after receiving complaints from nearby landowners and the public about “Mr Brewer’s unlawful activities on the land”.
       
      Interesting use of the word “unlawful” there. I wonder what they think it means.

      • Draco T Bastard 1.3.1

        In this case it appears to mean irritating rich people by being poor and on the beach.

        • ghostrider888 1.3.1.1

          However, from Campbell Live
          Solid Energy : “a culture of extravagance at Stockton”, SUVs for Africa, a 6M machine unused,
          yet, a cut-back on miners per shift hours
          yet more days required of miners to be on site (bussed in)
          from RNZ; Telecom- “too many people at the top-end” (lawyers and accountants among those getting the axe.
          Back to tele,Fontera have re-bottled the Anchor Milk brand (light-blocking) while the executive oncedes upon questioning; Anchor sales have declined vs supermarket / house brands; that they are exactly the same (price premium justified by “all the R&D Anchor carry out; “milk consumption in NZ is flat and declining)
          Obama offered little in speech to Palestinians (little was expected) yet “recovered his voice” when addressing Israeli students.
          14:31 He who oppresses the por shows contempt for their maker, yet whoever is kind to the needy honours God.
          Balaam’s error; the error of consuming greed.
          Smells Like Teen Spirit
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui2a2KTx60s
          ( a mischievious Goodfellow hub indeed; thanks, yet gave the candy away)

      • Murray Olsen 1.3.2

        It’s unlawful to have a view that you haven’t paid a developer for. Same principle holds in GI with the evictions.

  2. AsleepWhileWalking 2

    If the Minister is going to stand up and tell this House that 5,000 people have come off a sickness benefit, I will point out that during that time 7,000 people went on. Sure, absolutely, if they need to access it, they should. But it is absolutely disingenuous for that Minister to try and bandy around numbers as though her reforms have changed the world when in actual fact, for the people who are experiencing it on the front line, they have done no such thing.

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Debates/Debates/a/e/d/50HansD_20130320_00000012-Social-Security-Benefit-Categories-and-Work.htm

    • The Al1en 2.1

      TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) : 
      The other thing I want to say to Asenati Lole-Taylor is just that I believe that all honest work is inherently valuable, and although some is work that a lot of us would shy away from and that some of us are fortunate enough not to have to do, I have nothing but respect for those who are working on some of those humble and at times very, very unpleasant jobs. I am sure that every member of this House would want to support those people, and not in any way undermine their efforts.
       
      So put your money where your mouth is and pay them a minimum of at least $15ph.
      God told me to tell you to do it. :wanker:

      • bad12 2.1.1

        Yeah past by 1 vote 61/60 what is best described as the Youth Employment Discrimination Bill should be one of the first of the ugly pieces of National Government legislation that the next Labour lead Government toss in the rubbish bin,
        It’s ugly enough to be giving young people the kick through youth rates but applying those same youth rates to those a year or two older for having been on the dole for a while for no specific reason other than they thunk it makes me think that that particular piece of legislation might better have been named the Molestation of Young People in Employment Bill…

      • xtasy 2.1.2

        Yeah, I am waiting to see Tim MacIndoe clean the toilets at public facilities in Hamiltion then, voluntarily or on the minimum wage. Yeah Right, pull out YET ANOTHER TUI Board!

  3. Morrissey 3

    “He is ARROGANT, he is MOODY, he is CONTROLLING”
    Bill Ralston’s wife has a go at him on air

    “The Huddle”, NewstalkZB, Thursday 21 March 2013, 5:45 p.m.
    Larry “Lackwit” Williams, Pam Corkery, Janet Wilson

    Anyone who tuned into the usually dire “Huddle” segment yesterday would have heard something remarkable: Bill Ralston’s ghastly wife Janet Wilson took the opportunity to tell the world just what she thought of her husband Bill. However, she wasn’t so unwise as to do it directly; she chose the time-honored technique, widely used in Soviet Russia and other repressive regimes, of allegory….

    LARRY “LACKWIT” WILLIAMS: Okay, ahhhhhhhhhmmm. Julia Gillard. She’s GONE for sure!

    PAM CORKERY: Actually, I don’t think so. Kevin Rudd is extremely unpopular. I predict Gillard will win this leadership vote.

    JANET WILSON: I agree with Pam. I’ve never understood the fascination of the Australian public with Kevin Rudd. [voice thickening to a croak as she becomes emotional] He is arrogant, he is moody, he is controlling.

    [Several uneasy seconds of stunned silence follow...]

    LACKWIT WILLIAMS: Okay, ummmm… errrr….

    By the end of that little contribution, Janet Wilson was snarling, and I’m sure she was shaking with emotion too.

    POINT TO PONDER
    When Pam Corkery appears on this show, the quality improves noticeably. That’s because Corkery, one of the few liberal commentators allowed on, will not be bullied and shut out by Lackwit-Williams and whoever happens to be the other Huddle guest. She insists on making her points clearly and will not allow Lackwit-Williams to laugh her into silence. Today, after her coded attack on her husband, Janet Wilson spoke sensibly and thoughtfully, something she is just not usually compelled to do on this normally pisspoor program.

    • bad12 3.1

      ???Hah, you have to have a very ‘free thinking’ imagination to make the leap from the Australian politics being discussed in the part of the transcript that you have put up to entertain the belief that Ralston’s wife is talking about Him and not the Australian politicians being discussed,
      Perhaps i am missing something here, are there special code words that indicate we should beleive She is talking of Her husband and not Kevin Rudd…

      • felix 3.1.1

        Yeah well you also have to have a fairly free-thinking imagination to call it a transcript as Morrissey is known to have quite a different definition of the word to everyone else on the planet.

        • bad12 3.1.1.1

          Lolz, my bad, it’s my new image, i should have said WTF is that s**t, but, i am trying to do nice lolz,
           
          Yeah border-line slander seems to be that ones writing style, OK when applied to politicians but i don’t know about radio commenters…

          • Professor Longhair 3.1.1.1.1

            1.) …. border-line slander seems to be that ones writing style…

            What, pray tell, was slanderous in suggesting that an angry and emotionally fraught woman was taking the opportunity to publicly excoriate her obnoxious spouse? Of course, she was smart enough to phrase it so that it seemed like a criticism of an obnoxious Australian politician; but smart listeners—and admittedly there are not many of them in that station’s audience—-will have appreciated what she REALLY meant.

            1.) >OK when applied to politicians but i don’t know about radio commenters…

            Oh yes, we need to remember that the afternoon chatterboxes on NewstalkZB are dignified, professional and rigorously dedicated to telling the truth.

            • bad12 3.1.1.1.1.1

              Nah what i do remember is Lange versus What’s His Face where the judge set out the difference between what could be slander against a politician and a ‘normal’ person, the latter having far more protection under the law than the former,

              i cannot be bothered to expend the energy necessary to address the other part of your comment, except to say that it is as absurd as the original suggestion that the commenter on the radio station was addressing Her husband and not commenting on Kevin Rudd,and, you must have ‘special powers’ to be able to deduce from the comment made the inference later attributed to what was commented upon as the reason to come to that particular conclusion…

        • The Al1en 3.1.1.2

          Talking of conspiracy theories…
           
          I went to pay my website bill after getting the final notice, only to find my payment was bounced back. When I contacted the sales team, they told me I could now no longer pay by bank transfer, as I agreed when I opened the account, because of the unforeseen death of the director.
          So I asked what happens next? Do I just transfer to another place that wants my money? And within a minute I had a transfer key and a goodbye.
          Maybe they just don’t want to make money. Maybe they just don’t want my site on their servers.
          Site down (not that anyone visits) ’til I sort it.

  4. Polish Pride 4

    I was going to post this also but you beat me to it :)..
    A perfect example for those who say – if you don’t like the system, don’t participate in it. Go and live in the bush or something. To do this is damn near impossible. The system is so pervasive that even when one chooses to this is what inevitably happens
    -In short You cannot be free of the system even if you want to.
    Have a mind to drive up there and build another makeshift beach bach 30 meters down the beach after the council have gone and give it to him to live in and then keep doing it each time he is evicted!

  5. logie97 5

    Just where do these captains of industry get off?
    One day the masses are going to wake up to the fact that these inflated egos are going to have to stop being able to nominate their worth to an organisation and be paid just a reasonable living wage.

    Telecom have had a succession of leaders who have been paid multi-million annual salaries, after a few years have moved on with massive golden handshakes and then, suddenly, these organisations announce massive layoffs of the ordinary employees … (saying they have to trim the fat).

    These same captains of industry of course join such organisations as the EMA, Round Table etc and dictate to the government what they think nurses, teachers, firemen etc are worth.

  6. bad12 6

    Yay, the edit function is back and working, thank you very much i can now return to bad spelling and mangled English with the ability to amend such…

    • Draco T Bastard 6.1

      Testing (no HTML)
      Testing (Italics using the editor button)
      <i>Testing</i> (Italics using HTML)
      This is a link (Link inserted using the editor function)
       
      And, no, I don’t have the WYSIWYG turned on. At least it has an escapse to HTML.

  7. bad12 7

    So Bill from Dipton, the Minister of Finance is ‘surprised’ by having nearly 10% of Kiwi’s sign up for the preregistration of the legislated theft of Mighty River Power from the other 90% of Kiwi’s,

    This 10% only too happy to be availed the chance to steal off of the other 90% of us are to be given what, 10% of the shares, 20% of the shares???,

    The other 80-90% of the shares will go where, from what Bill says they will be ‘retailed’ on the open market so presumably the ‘mums and dads’ who are the likes of the Goldman Saches US Banking Cartel will swallow the majority of the shares in Mighty River Power,

    Bill’s surprise, sounds like He has promised the ‘banking cartels’ that less than 10% of Kiwis will have the coin to buy into Mighty River so there would be no problem for them through their various Nominee Companies to gain the lions share of the float…

    • Tigger 7.1

      Yep, call it what it is. Theft. All those ‘law abiding’ citizens are stealing our property.  Time for Labour to tell them they’ll renationalise any assets sold…come on DS…want to be a leader then fucking lead.

      • bad12 7.1.1

        Yes as a starting point of ‘ownership’ Labour should look at the Cullen Super Fund becoming the ‘owner’ of all the shares of the assets that National plan on putting into the hands of the International Banking Cartels,

        We could in the future then have a rational discussion, after the Baby Boomer Retirement Bump has passed about changing the focus of that Cullen Fund being used to pre-fund part or all future retirement from dividends of the assets held by it…

      • David H 7.1.2

        And have Shonkey ask him if he’s going to pay for them out of secret bank accounts in the USA.  A great leader he isn’t.

    • johnm 7.2

      bad12
      +1

  8. prism 8

    I have put the point that the wealthy have the option of shunting their children and the guidance of their young ones, to boarding schools. Gina Campbell, daughter of speed record winner Donald Campbell was sent to one at age two when her parents’ marriage broke up. Her father had three marriages, and her mother I think the same. She has written a book Daughter of Bluebird.

    Later she had the experience of her mother needling her ex-husband with great promises to Gina about how she would look after her horse with top class treatment, which caused unrest as Gina thought she was in earnest. When the offer was accepted, the mother withdrew it with numerous excuses.

    Poorer people’s abandonment of a child’s care tend to be obvious, the wealthy can slither out
    from withholding emotional support and guidance to their child untouched by approbrium. ‘Look what I did for you’ is often the comment from parents who have given little personal love and care, but money spent on the child’s living and schooling piles up and is seen as a debt to the parents. The child becomes an object of charity to them with periods of erratic expressions of love and interest from them.

  9. bad12 9

    Slippery the Prime Minister was yesterday in Taranaki opening a gas fired electricity plant, the cost $100 million and it is capable of powering 70,000 homes,

    In ‘primitive’ New Zealand it’s probably a forlorn hope that all the CO2 being given off as exhaust from ‘wasting’ all that gas will be captured at it’s source,

    Of interest when i was looking for information on this project was the fact that the construction also included a gas storage facility, (an existing played out gas well that surplus gas is being pumped into),

    i have to wonder if the ‘players’ in this gas to electricity game of waste realize that they are building the infrastructure that allows CO2 to be harvested from the atmosphere using the air’s own movement to bring the CO2 to the point of harvest and be turned into the very gas that they are at present taking from the ground and turning into CO2 by burning it,

    Capturing that CO2 and turning it into Methane Gas, (even petrol), is a technology in it’s infancy but at least one country, Iceland, is capturing CO2 from it’s geothermal electricity generation,(yes apparently ‘some’ geothermal electricity generation does produce CO2), and doing just that with it,

    Yes, we can all see the problem with turning CO2 into a fuel and then burning it as a fuel is still releasing CO2 to the atmosphere, BUT, harvesting CO2 from the atmosphere and refining that into fuel to produce electricity may be the way of the future IF the CO2 expelled in the production of electricity is captured at it’s source and refined back into the same fuel burned to create it in the first place…

    • Draco T Bastard 9.1

      So, after searching the web I’m figuring that that is 100MW generator. For just a little bit extra we could have had wind turbines with nowhere near as much pollution or need for ongoing importation (we’re almost out of natural gas in NZ) for gas.

      The best thing that can be said about a gas generator is that it’s most likely to be shut down in a few years due of lack of fuel.

      • bad12 9.1.1

        Yes wind generation also seems to be on the cards for Taranaki,

        Coastal site eyed for large wind farm,
        http://www.wanganuichronicle.co.nz/news/coastal…wind-farm/1600159

        As far as running out of gas with which to cause even more CO2 to be pumped into the atmosphere, these people seem to think it’s going to be around for a while,

        Tag oil upbeat on well strike/stuff.co.nz,
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/…/tag-oil-upbeat-on-well-strike...

        2012-O&G industry kicks off to great start/ energy stream,
        http://www.energystream.co.nz>newscenter

        But, thats not really the point i am making, whats of interest is that it appears much of the present infrastructure of turning CO2 into methane gas, including it’s storage, is already present in Taranaki,

        Here’s the fledgling CO2 to Methane industry in Iceland, the obvious BAD bit of that is to then allow the CO2 back into the atmosphere via burning the methane in vehicle engines,

        What that Icelandic power plant should be doing is simply burning the product made from CO2 in it’s electricity generator, capturing the CO2 produced by having done so and sent that CO2 back through the process of turning it into Methane so as to enable it’s re-burning,

        CO2 to Methanol.com, Iceland converts CO2 into Methanol,
        http://www.co2tomethanol.com/

        Also of interest on that page is the story of the ‘break-through’ science involved in using biological catalysts which enable CO2 to be turned into Methane using Sun-light without the expensive metals like gold previously thought to be the only catalyst able to perform such a function,

        The next part of the jigsaw is of course the separation of the CO2 from the air, again such a ‘science’ is in it’s infancy but a theoretical study i have read, (will try and link to it later), ‘sees’ this to be not necessary as a removal of CO2 from the air at the source of the CO2 emissions but more a case of having the air movement in a place akin to todays wind farms bringing the CO2 to the means of it’s extraction from that air,

        My particular interest in Taranaki at the moment is because the infrastructure present as part of the oil/gas system would also be the infrastructure necessary for a CO2 to fuel industry…

        • ghostrider888 9.1.1.1

          got the links sussed then

          • bad12 9.1.1.1.1

            Lolz, have i ???, i just ‘hopeded’, haven’t tried them myself as yet…

            • ghostrider888 9.1.1.1.1.1

              1 in 4; others appear “expired” this end anyway

              • bad12

                Grrr, bugger, did you get error 404???, the pages are not expired tho, if you Google the heading above the dud links it should, (hopefully), take you to the page,

                1 out of 4, i spose i should look on the bright side of that, Grrr, that CO2 to Methanol site contains most of the info i am attempting to impart here and the third story on the page is also of interest as little old NZ gets a mention for the technology that is already in place in Taranaki,

                Googling, Converting CO2 to Methanol also provides a zillion pages of useful info on the subject,

                Of course Methanol has a lot more uses than just fuel, most of the plastics made in the world today contain the stuff, and IF we had the cost effective tech that took CO2 from the atmosphere and eventually made plastics with it then we have ‘fixed’ that CO2 for the lifetime of those plastics most of which i would dare suggest will end their existence buried in a landfill…

                • Colonial Viper

                  Energy. It can be done but the energy required and the cost of that energy is going to be massively prohibitive.

                  • bad12

                    No not necessarily from what i have read, given that with bio-catalysts and sunlight quite a stream of methane can be obtained from CO2 with little ongoing energy cost the efficacy of doing so will come down to the cost of extracting such CO2 from suitably robust air-flows,

                    The rest is simply the cost of the rest of the process that the 2 methanol plants in Taranaki have been carrying out from time to time since they were built by Muldoons ‘think big’,

                    If a tonne of carbon had a price in NZ as a straight tax, such a tax could then be applied to the extraction of tonnes of carbon from the atmosphere thus lowering the cost of fuels extracted from that carbon,

                    My next dig through the internet mountain of info i think will have to concentrate on both those questions, what price we as a society are willing to pay as tax for a tonne of carbon and what it might cost per tonne to extract such carbon from the atmosphere from suitable sites of high airflow,

                    Obviously the closer all these different ‘processes’ occur to the plants which manufacture methanol the more cost effective and commercially viable they become…

      • alwyn 9.1.2

        You have an interesting view on what is “just a little bit extra”.
        Your link give a cost of about $1.75m for a megawatt of nameplate capacity. That’s the average of the range of $1.3m – $2.2m given in your link. However that is the maximum possible generating capacity of the turbine. The actual efficiency of them varies between about 25% and 40% so you would expect to need about 3 times the installed capacity as the power you generate.
        The cost of producing 100MW would then be about 100 * 1.75 * 3 million dollars.
        This works out at about $525m as opposed to the quoted figure of $100m. To Bill Gates, (or perhaps David Shearer), that might be “just a little bit extra” but it doesn’t seem so to me.
        There is also no reason at all to believe that we are just about of natural gas. That canard has been used for years worldwide and we seem to always find more. If the Greens get to ban any exploration or production it might come true but we live in hope that they won’t get the chance to do so.

        • bad12 9.1.2.1

          And if the worst case scenario expounded by the climate scientists were to be correct??? what price would you put on your current lifestyles continuance, the very continuance of the life of your grandchildren???,

          Capitalist bean-counters should in my opinion when it comes to the equation vis a vis money over climate simply be abused as the whole money system is a foolish joke clung to by the wing-nuts as an ancient African witch-doctor clung to his baubles of divination…

        • Draco T Bastard 9.1.2.2

          Yeah, Ok, I was out on the price. Still say that wind, being renewable and sustainable, would be better option. Price isn’t the best way to choose.

          When will oil, natural gas, and coal peak?
          Globally, gas peaks in the 2020s and we’re a small nation at the bottom of the world with very little reason for people to gas sell to us. We may have a small amount left but I heard a few years ago that the Maui Field was out.

        • Colonial Viper 9.1.2.3

          That canard has been used for years worldwide and we seem to always find more.

          Wrong concept. Natural gas economics is crashing mate. The fossil fuel industry will grind to a commercial halt while there are gigatonnes of the stuff left under the ground.

    • prism 9.2

      Jokeyhen’s attitude to NZ is that it is a great scenic background in front of which he can perform various celebrity gestures and give out uplifting and soothing speeches about the great conditions we have here. We’re like a unique handbag accessory for this most prominent NZer. The rest of us just have to use plastic ones with folksy pictures or a koru on them.

    • xtasy 9.3

      “Slippery the Prime Minister was yesterday in Taranaki opening a gas fired electricity plant, the cost $100 million and it is capable of powering 70,000 homes”

      Slippery failed to do an essential thing: To light a cigarette with an open flame lighter, which could have saved the country from a damned lot of harm. But I suppose, he does not smoke, regrettably.

      • vto 9.3.1

        If it costs $1,500 per house to build a power station then wtf are we doing not doing so cooperatively? That is shit all coin. Far less than installing a solar number or something similar, by a large multiple.

        And surely the ongoing cost of running the power station and supplying the fuel is relatively minor compared to the capital cost of construction.

        If so, why on earth would the average hosuehold be paying around $2,500 per annum for electricity?

        Does this not highlight something very very fishy around power companies …………..

        • Draco T Bastard 9.3.1.1

          If we paid for the power-stations through taxes and considered them a social good then we don’t need a return (profit) on the capital. At that point all we’d need to cover is the running and maintenance and that spread across all households would be SFA and that cost goes down if we use renewables as there’s no longer any drag from the costs of supplying fuel.

          Conclusion: A state monopoly in power supply and reticulation is the most efficient and cost effective way of supplying power especially if using renewables.

          • vto 9.3.1.1.1

            Well yes John Key’s visit today would seem to underscore that reality.

            Why do you think John Key would not recognise it? Blinkers? Paymasters? Dogmatism? Sheer ignorance?

            • Draco T Bastard 9.3.1.1.1.1

              All of the above?

              No, I don’t think he’s that ignorant. He’ll know how to get rich which is to get a lot of people to give you a little bit of money (A little bit here, a little bit there and pretty soon you’re talking serious money). As such he’ll know that to keep costs per person down would be to spread them out across as many people as possible.

    • xtasy 10.1

      Selwyn Manning at his best, red rattler! Yes, it stinks so much, it is so bloody obvious, but the NZ media and public still have “blind” faith in a PM, like too many Germans once had in Hitler. When will they ever wake up?

  10. ghostrider888 12

    Hamra Night -Sa’di Yusef (Lebanon)

    A candle in a long street
    A candle in the sleep of houses
    A candle for frightened shops
    A candle for bakeries
    A candle for a journalist trembling in an empty office
    A candle for a fighter
    A candle for a woman doctor watching over patients
    A candle for the wounded
    A candle for plain talk
    A candle for the stairs
    A candle for a hotel packed with refugees
    A candle for a singer
    A candle for broadcasters in their hideouts
    A candle for a bottle of water
    A candle for the air
    A candle for two lovers in a naked flat
    A candle for the falling sky
    A candle for the beginning
    A candle for the ending
    A candle for the last communique
    A candle for conscience
    A candle in your hands.

    “We keep our hands in our pockets, and, unable to say “yes” to ourselves, we lack a “no” that is sure enough to stand between our best and our worst interests. We are left to make do with plans and policies that have little bearing on the main plot. It is a different play that is being staged, and we are actors and audience both, but unable to change the script.”

    “The willingness to be less than what we could be is endemic. The lack of care and complicity of silence finds us all wanting. We cannot dissociate ourselves from the hypocricies of our governments or the immoralities of our corporations. Nor can we hide behind the screen of busyness, even if we do call it “work and family commitments”. This is classic middle-class camouflage : one of the more altruistic personae of self-interest.”
    -Kerry Flattley
    -Chris Wallace Crabbe.

    Before you go, I need to tell you
    why here tongues turn dry as piki bread.
    No one knows why this story is true.

    but I know there was a woman who
    buried both her hands in blue dough. She said,
    Before you go, I need to tell you

    why Hopi corn grows short, in a few
    spindly clumps, not deep wide and red.
    No one knows why this story is true,

    but I know it is not a lie. New
    seed lay still; the sheep we gave for dead.
    Before you go I need to tell you

    the crater’s spirit gave us breath. Blu
    winds swept ash from the mesa, it bled-
    no one knows why this story is true-

    earth’s sky blood washed ragged furrows. Blue
    corn cracked tucked sharp in this lava bed.
    Before you go, I need to tell you:
    no one knows why this story is true.

    -Peggy Shumaker
    (Hopi corn is a biological riddle. It germinates only in thin volcanic soil and thrives in the sever, unforgiving climate of the high desert.)

  11. prism 13

    A NZ living in Victoria has taken a case against the government there of discrimenation because he has been denied a student concession. The case is due to go before the Tribunal some months hence and if it succeeds it could unroll that denial and pay the student some compensation. The final comment was that the Oz government has been concerned about discrimination against NZ in the social welfare sector. Concerned enough to reverse this discrimination? Did Jokeyhen mention it to Gillard? I wonder.

  12. ghostrider888 14

    The Point (?)

    The point, I imagine, is
    not to learn to expect
    betrayal, self-deceit, lies
    however thick they collect
    in the cul-de-sac of one’s days,
    half-noticed, half-numbered, half-checked:
    but rather to learn to praise
    fidelity, trust and love
    which in their modest ways continue to be and move
    (however mocked, however derided,
    however difficult, indeed, to prove),
    utterly undivided-
    if inarticulate or mute,
    still mortally decided.

    Neither fashionable nor astute
    this point to take to heart:
    merely final and absolute:

    without it no people, no life, no art.

    -Evan Jones.

    now, back to mischief. :)

  13. pollywog 15

    Awww nu!!!…Paula Bennett de-friended me on facebook :)

  14. chris73 acualy is Dolan 16

    And fortunately the American Congress gets something right but for the wrong reasons

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8459865/Congress-too-scared-to-ban-assault-rifles

    • Draco T Bastard 16.1

      Yes, allowing more mass murderers easy access to weapons is obviously the right thing to do.

      /sarc

      • chris73 acualy is Dolan 16.1.1

        1. Semi-auto rifles account for less than 2% of fatalities (Might actually be less than 1%) in the USA
        2. The gun murder rate has been dropping since the last ban (in the late 80s) was lifted
        3. Making law-abiding citizens criminals won’t help
        4. Prohibition doesn’t work
        5. The “evil” weapons in the USA are available in NZ
        6. There are over 20000 gun laws in the USA, enforce those first before implementing new ones

        • The Al1en 16.1.1.1

          “1. Semi-auto rifles account for less than 2% of fatalities”

          But 100% responsible for each of those deaths.

          “3. Making law-abiding citizens criminals won’t help
          4. Prohibition doesn’t work”

          Is this also your view in the drugs debate?

          • chris73 acualy is Dolan 16.1.1.1.1

            Yes

            I think something along the lines of what Portugal is doing is what we should be doing. I would decriminalize all drugs and instead of sending druggies to jail I’d send them to hospitals (maybe set up treatment centers within hospital grounds) for treatment.

            I don’t think giving someone a criminal conviction and sending them to prison is the best way to deal with an addiction.

            Mind you I’d up the sentence term for pushers, dealers and suppliers

            Oh yeah forgot to add that in the UK the overall violent crime rate has risen dramatically since they implemented thier gun bans

            • The Al1en 16.1.1.1.1.1

              “Yes”

              You must be one of those ‘blue greenies’ some bod was telling us about the other day.

              “and instead of sending druggies to jail I’d send them to hospitals (maybe set up treatment centers within hospital grounds) for treatment.”

              How would you have government pay for that?

              “I don’t think giving someone a criminal conviction and sending them to prison is the best way to deal with an addiction.”

              Agreed, though not all drug users are addicts.

              “in the UK the overall violent crime rate has risen dramatically since they implemented thier gun bans”

              Are you saying the people who now don’t own guns because of that legislation, or those that could have, but now can’t, are thug criminals? Good job they don’t have access to legal fire arms.

              • chris73 acualy is Dolan

                I don’t know about being blue-green just that prohibition and “the war on drugs” doesn’t/isn’t working and Portugal seems to be going well so why not try it

                “and instead of sending druggies to jail I’d send them to hospitals (maybe set up treatment centers within hospital grounds) for treatment.”

                How would government pay for that?

                Use the budget that isn’t spent on addicts in prison plus I’d imagine the long-term savings might sway some politicians…(yeah I’m naive)

                “in the UK the overall violent crime rate has risen dramatically since they implemented thier gun bans”

                Are you saying the people who now don’t own guns because of that legislation are now thug criminals? Good job they don’t have legal access to fire arms

                No, I’m saying the UK implemented a big crackdown on firemarms in the wake of Dunblane and the rates of violent crime (knives and box cutters mostly) have massively increased whereas the USA ended its ban on semi-auto rifle sales in the late 80s and violent crime and gun deaths have steadily decreased.

                Are there problems, yes. Is a knee-jerk feel-good ban on semi-auto rifles going to work, no. Are their better ways to deal with the problems, yes.

                Just to note the weapons used at Columbine were a 12-gauge Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun and a Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm carbine with thirteen 10-round magazines.

                The carbine was developed in response to the ban on semi-auto rifles and capacity of magazine size.

                Also a 9 mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine and a 12-gauge Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun.

                It is illegal to cut a barrel down beyond a certain length but it didn’t stop him from doing it.

                • The Al1en

                  “I don’t know about being blue-green”

                  No, I think it was someone with an agenda, making a point, but very badly.
                  Oxymoron if ever I read one.

                  “Use the budget that isn’t spent on addicts in prison plus I’d imagine the long-term savings might sway some politicians…(yeah I’m naive)”

                  It’s an ambitious project and I’m sure quite costly to set up, certainly more than the prison spend. The left are advocates of spend now, reduce long term costs later. It’s all over education, health, welfare, but the right scream about the money and where it’s coming from and keep the status quo.
                  Good luck convincing your tory mp to support Labour and Green policy.

                  “No, I’m saying the UK implemented a big crackdown on firemarms in the wake of Dunblane and the rates of violent crime (knives and box cutters mostly) have massively increased”

                  As those chavs and idiots on the street would ever legally own a weapon before or after legislation, I don’t think there’s a case for linking the statistics.
                  There isn’t really a need for anyone to own guns, especially military grade killing tools. Sport and recreation are not good enough reasons to justify burying school children. Take up golf.

                  • chris73 acualy is Dolan

                    “military grade killing tools”
                    1. Theres no real difference between an AR-15 (the semi-auto civilian version of the american assault rifle) and a semi-auto rifle, in fact in some cases the semi-auto rifle is a better option

                    2. Their constitution (as I understand it) allows them the right to bear arms for their own protection if their government of the day acts unlawfully and considering what some governments do to their own people I don’t think thats a bad thing.

                    3. I wonder if proudly proclaiming you’re a “gun-free” zone is the smartest thing they could do:

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1Zy_ASNyA

                    (takes ten minutes but its worth it)

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      2. Their constitution (as I understand it) allows them the right to bear arms for their own protection if their government of the day acts unlawfully and considering what some governments do to their own people I don’t think thats a bad thing

                      Think about it.

                      Firstly, think about the US Air Force. Then think about the Marine corp, the US Army, and the highly militarized police forces the US federal and state governments have.

                      Now ask yourself what sort of weaponry you would need to fight the US government, and look around to check the availability of such weaponry.

                      What does such thinking tell you about the theory that US citizens are given the right to collect weapons sufficient to beat off their government.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      2. Their constitution (as I understand it) allows them the right to bear arms for their own protection if their government of the day acts unlawfully and considering what some governments do to their own people I don’t think thats a bad thing

                      Nah that’s bullshit.

                      The original Second Amendment talked about the right to bear arms within the context of a “well regulated militia” i.e. a trained, disciplined and organised state militia for the defence of the state and of the union.

                      Various judicial interpretations in recent decades has turned that into a right to bear arms individually for essentially any individual purpose, and with no connection or participation to any “well regulated militia”.

                      The US gun lobby have made their bed, they will sleep in it.

                      And people forget that there are up to 1M firearms here in NZ. And fuck all people get shot…on purpose.

                    • lprent

                      Actually I think that if you look at what the makers of the constitution said at the time, the intent was to prevent governments from disarming the local militias. Disciplined formations of men are somewhat different to individual idiots with weapons.

                      From what was recorded, I’d think that they’d have been aghast at the idea of giving the right to bear “semi-auto” weapons (convertable to automatic with a freely available cheap kit) to random nutters who want them.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      lprent

                      fascinating paper here:

                      http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm

                      shorter write up:

                      http://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2013/01/was-second-amendment-adopted-slaveholders

                      Looks at Madison and the arguments he was having in Virginia at the time of ratification. The timeline and evolution of the language of the amendment which he submitted seem to suggest it was mostly about leaving the States with the authority to call out their own militia to put down slave revolts without having to get Congressional say so.

                    • lprent []

                      Excellent. I hadn’t run across that before. But it fits.

                      In any case, it is clear that the intent of the framers of the constitution was for a disciplined and well regulated state run militia. The current position that people outside the national guard, state troopers, and other such well regulated bodies should bear arms is a travesty of the wording of the US constitution and the intent of the framers.

                      Gun manufacturer lobby likes it.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  …whereas the USA ended its ban on semi-auto rifle sales in the late 80s and violent crime and gun deaths have steadily decreased.

                  [citation needed]

                  Gun crime statistics by US state: latest data (Unfortunately, that blog isn’t actually dated)

                  Just like the UK, the United States has seen a long-term decline in crime, with firearms offences seeing a steeper fall than other crimes

                  I’d say it’s probably an overall societal effect (i.e, People are just less violent) rather than a change in laws that’s brought about the decline.

                  • chris73 acualy is Dolan

                    In which case I’d suggest that tightning up and enforcing rules against the mentally ill would have a greater effect on ending mass killings then enacting another law that’d most likely be ignored

                    Also this guy didn’t use guns to kill more then anybody else:

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Kehoe

                    And this is interesting reading:

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre

                    • chris73 acualy is Dolan

                      To pascals bookie

                      Think about it

                      Think about when it was written, think about what they’d just come through, think about what the government of the day had imposed on them, think about the technology of the time

                      They didn’t know how big the government would become but they did know that the government should fear the people not the other way around, they knew there had to be checks and balances to stop the government of the day (whenever that day is) from becoming tyrannical and guaranteeing the rights of its citizens to bear is the simplest way to ensure that

                      Think about it

                      Now think what the Vietnamese did to americans, think about what the afghanis did to basically everyone that ever messed with them.

                      Technology can and has been beaten by superior tactics, self-belief and knowledge of terrain

                    • Colonial Viper

                      FFS yeah time to target the “mentally ill” again, that’s a good old canard to trot out, guns don’t kill people, mentally ill people do etc.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Think about when it was written, think about what they’d just come through, think about what the government of the day had imposed on them, think about the technology of the time

                      You have to go back and read some of the (many many) things written at the time to work out what they were up to. There were long arguments about most stuff, and the right to bear arms was no different. The arguments weren’t focused on fighting the US government. A major aspect was the right of the States to have military patrols. Some thought that the States should not have this right, that it was similar to the standing army thing that was part of what the revolution was against. However, others felt the need to have regular armed patrols of the country side. Guess why (clue: these were the slave states).

                      On the technology of the time, irrelevant. Unless you are suggesting that the constitution only allows muskets? Or that citizens should indeed be able to buy and maintain private air forces and set up SAM sites?

                      Now think what the Vietnamese did to americans, think about what the afghanis did to basically everyone that ever messed with them.

                      Technology can and has been beaten by superior tactics, self-belief and knowledge of terrain

                      Dude please. This is bloody “Wolverines!” nonsense. You cannot compare Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else to a supposed attempted overthrow of the US Federal Govt.

                      -You’ll note that not one of those wars were an existential war for the US. They were wars they could afford to lose.

                      -You’ll note that the opposing forces in those wars had better knowledge of the people and terrain, not something the US lacks in the US.

                      -You’re still left with the problem that rifles are not what you need. If the US gun nuts were serious about defending themselves from the government, they’d be buying different things.

                      If they were serious they would revolted years ago, like maybe when Bush declared that a President could just call a citizen an enemy combatant, and they’d lose all their legal rights. Or when Obama said he could put them on kill lists. Neither of which are subjected to any checks or balances. Just a President’s say so. How does that compare to King George/ what are they waiting for?

                      They are basically role playing at being rebels. It’s a hobby. They are not a threat to their government

                      Here’s a good read on what they should be buying if they’re serious;

                      http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7322

                    • Colonial Viper

                      GIs who’d seen what an RPG hit could do to an M113 got in the habit of saying, “I’ll walk, thanks.” The RPG warhead does something called “spalling,” which means the warhead turns the aluminum side armor of an APC into molten shrapnel which goes zipping through the guts of everybody inside like a Benihana chef’s knife, only it’s a knife as hot as the surface of the sun.

                      Thanks for the link…hey M113’s isnt’ that what the NZ Army used to drive around in?

    • just saying 17.2

      Did the post Peters referred to really say that NZanders spend 27 days per year on overseas hols?

      Btw, LPrent – when I leave the page (to follow a link for example) I am no longer able to return to the same place in the page I left. I’m returned to the top. It’s happened a quite a few times now.

    • xtasy 17.3

      Another disgusting OIA fob-off, and I have had them also. Now surely, there is no great difficulty in “collating” that information, as the PM himself could easily offer it, and if need be, airline tickets must exist and can be presented. The whole OIA process these days is ridiculous, it is not worth pursuing anymore. The DICTATORSHIP in AOTEAROA NZ is WORKING!

  15. vto 18

    Is Cyprus about to implode across our screens? It is surely way too late now to take that money off depositors – you would think that sort of thing must be done overnight, not a week later. Otherwise the time gets people to thinking about reaction………

  16. Draco T Bastard 21

    Scientists find visions of a benevolent future society motivate reform

    Activists, take note: People support reform if they believe the changes will enhance the future character of society, according to a study published online this month in the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin. Namely, people support a future society that fosters the development of warm and moral individuals.

    So one wonders how National and their ever present outright nastiness ever manages to get voted in to power.

  17. bad12 22

    Ouch, rumor via TV1 news is that Telecom will likely be cutting up to 2500 jobs in May, the flow on effects of that are a horror story,

    Bill from Dipton was saying on the last Q+A that the welfare budget would probably have to have more money this year, wonder if the Finance Minister had prior knowledge…

  18. karol 23

    Campbell Live – cyclist funeral. Heartbreaking. She was well loved.

    • Colonial Viper 23.1

      Was this RL’s relative :(

      • karol 23.1.1

        I think so. Big funeral.

        • Anne 23.1.1.1

          Yes it was. Saw notice in the Herald this week.

        • xtasy 23.1.1.2

          That is why I gave up cycling around Auckland many years ago. It is too damned dangerous. In many European countries cycleways are clearly separated from the main road, and well marked and mostly well maintained, so no such close encounters with cars or trucks would usually happen.

          But the cycleways in NZ, I am talking about Auckland by the way, are not quite as bad as they used to be, but still leave cyclists exposed to immense risks and danger.

          NO, I won’t cycle in Auckland again, unless the whole infrastructure gets improved and car drivers are held more accountable for their negligence and dangerous driving.

  19. xtasy 24

    My previous enthusiasm and sympathy for Brazil has been more than moderated over recent days. While I love the culture and spirit of people there, the newest top 50 of their “hits’ shows how corrupt and Americanised that society is. Even their own performers are rather up themselves and believing they are better than others. In some cases they may be, but not in all. I am disappointed, and the commercial world is taking its toll all over the place. It is rot, rot and more rot, not quality aand skill.

    • Colonial Viper 24.1

      Don’t be too harsh mate that’s like judging NZers via the GC

    • Murray Olsen 24.2

      The top 50 hits will be those that get promoted on tv, especially by Rede Globo (think Murdoch in Portuguese). Brazil is a large and complex country, with the cultural differences from north to south being something like Invercargill to PNG. East to west isn’t much different. There are things about Brazil I absolutely love, and things I hate, but none of those things have much to do with the top 50.

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    This is a re-post from PassiiviIdentiteetti, written by Jani-Petri Martikainen. Answer: mainly by increasing the use of coal in power production. In the second week of August power company EDF decided to shutdown their reactors in Heysham and Hartlepool. This...
    Skeptical Science | 30-09
  • The very public evisceration of David Cunliffe
    Ordinarily, when the coup of a party leader is underway, one of two things happens. Either the incumbent simply walks, having seen the writing on the wall, or attempts to stare down their opposition in a closed room. Someone walks out of...
    Occasionally erudite | 30-09
  • Dr Sean Simpson from Lanzatech
    On 8th October, Dr Sean Simpson from Lanzatech will be speaking at the University of Auckland, on the subject of “Climate-friendly fuel: A challenge of scale and time”.  This is part of the Energy Centre’s Energy Matters lecture series. Sean...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Stuart’s 100 #36 On the Beat
    36: On the Beat What if we had more cops on the beat? Isn’t it time the New Zealand Police started to recognise the changes happening in urban New Zealand? In our central cities and busiest town centres and main...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Bonus growth for SaaS exporters
    The currency fall has a wonderful effect for exporters, especially those who have most of their costs back here in New Zealand. As I write this, the NZD versus the USD has fallen about 10% since earlier this year. As an...
    Lance Wiggs | 30-09
  • Hold fast to your Mana – Harawira
    Hone Harawira today called on the voters of Tai Tokerau to hold fast to their mana, and not be dictated to by those party leaders who have ganged together to tell them how to vote. “I call on our people...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Media Advisory – Interview availability
    This is to advise all media that Hone Harawira will be available in Auckland tomorrow, Friday the 19th of September from 7am to 4pm for interviews relating to his recent press releases. If you are interested in interviewing Mr Harawira on...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Labour stands on proud record on Suffrage Day
    Women have come a long way in the 121 years since New Zealand became the first country to give them the vote on September 19 1893, but there is still more to do, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Carol Beaumont says....
    Labour | 18-09
  • Polling Booths asked to treat Maori voters with respect
    “Polling booths without Maori roll voting papers, Maori people not being offered assistance to vote, people getting sent from Whangarei to Wellsford to vote, Maori people getting turned away from voting because they didn’t have their ‘easy vote’ card, Maori...
    Mana | 17-09
  • Aussie Liberals embroiled in Key campaign
    John Key needs to explain why Australia’s Liberal Party is interfering in New Zealand domestic politics and is encouraging Kiwi voters across the ditch to vote for National just days out from the election, Labour’s campaign spokesperson Annette King says....
    Labour | 17-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit. “If you’re lucky enough to have...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Māori development crucial to New Zealand’s future
    Labour recognises the concern of Māori about child poverty and the rising costs of living, and in Government will make a real difference to the wellbeing of whānau and iwi, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “As our Māori...
    Labour | 16-09
  • MAORI PARTY – DON’T COMPLAIN … WALK
    “If the Maori Party are serious about stopping government spying on NZ citizens then they should tell the Prime Minister to either stop doing it or they will walk away” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, on...
    Mana | 16-09
  • JOHN KEY SUPPORTING LABOUR
    “There is something really sick about a National Party Prime Minister coming out in support of a Labour candidate” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira, after hearing that John Key is urging voters to back Labour in...
    Mana | 16-09
  • SHUT DOWN THIS GOVT NOT KAITI WINZ – Nikora
    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
    ...
    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • I feel sorry for Labour Party members and supporters
    I feel really sorry for the members and supporters of the Labour Party as they watch their caucus tear itself to shreds. And no matter what the outcome of the coming leadership race Labour members and supporters will be the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Ummmm, why is Auckland Transport spying on Aucklanders?
    Ummm. What? Sophisticated surveillance coming to Auckland Surveillance technology that uses high definition cameras and software that can put names to faces and owners to cars is coming to Auckland. The surveillance has the capability to also scan social media...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • It. Is. About. The. Economy. Stupid.
    Liam Dann does a good job of explaining the positive and negative issues looming for the NZ economy and as dairy prices plunge again overnight alongside a large Wall st sell off  and China Bank rumours begin, his case for the negative...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Don’t think of it as reinvading Iraq, think of it as redecorating Iraq
    I think some NZers view Iraq like an episode of The Block. Yes Iraq is the worst country on the street, but with a bit of elbow grease by our SAS and some great deals down at Bunnings, hey presto we...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Mana Maori alliance
    Most Maori you speak to on the street can’t understand why Mana movement and  Maori Party don’t combine it confuses them why Maori are divided cross benches in Parliament instead of a unified political power that represents 15% of the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Party members and affiliates – the real losers in Labour’s leadership f...
    Hey, wanna do a back room deal that cuts the members and affiliates out? Cunliffe must be reeling. He has lost failed Ilam candidate James Dann. It must cut as deep as the loss of Steve Gibson. Apart from providing Claire...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election res...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election result...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • The rich get richer
    Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman highlights the growing inequality in this article in the New York Times. The left wing slogan that the “the rich get richer” is a fact of almost perverse power. The most recent period of expansion in the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • A brief word on reinvading Iraq
    So after telling the country before the election that NZ would not send forces to Iraq, lo and behold now he’s won the election with a full spectrum dominance political majority, Key is suddenly now looking to join the re-invasion of...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • A brief word on the importance of ACT, Maori Party and United Future to Nat...
    I’m a far right wing clown who attacks tax money going on anything collective, gimmie some cash and privilege.  One of the great successes of National has been to implement hard right policy but have it sold as moderate. For some NZers,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Labour’s Angst
    Was Labour’s predictably low vote David Cunliffe’s fault? Was it policy? Was it something else that has aroused perceptions of electoral carnage? My analysis of the numbers suggests that, as uncertain voters made up their minds, there was a late...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Information wars: Gaza as “the last taboo”, the threat of mass surveill...
    “When the truth is replaced with silence” wrote the soviet dissident Yevgeni Yevtushenko, “the silence is a lie.” There has been a silence these past months full of noise, static and sound bites of those in power justifying their violence,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • When the media say they covered Dirty Politics – did they?
    I was watching The Nation in the weekend, and watched the defenders of NZ media up against Minto telling him he was wrong in his claims of media bias and that the media covered Dirty Politics. I laughed. When the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG – P Campbell – To the Left with love
    A week after the general election results I feel wrung out emotionally, having been through the disappointment, depression and anger of seeing  another right wing government elected overwhelmingly by winning support from the parts of NZ that will never benefit...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – I will be the new Labour Leader!
    One week after the election, while I was still waiting to be consulted about contributing to the review on what went wrong, what do you know? There is a leadership challenge. So instead of opting for a united, thoughtful and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – A Prescient Post
    A very prescient pre-election post by Martyn Bradbury tells us why the Labour Party are at war now. “The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work” Despite Martyn Bradbury warning them this Right Wing strategy “Better Work”...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – W(h)ither Labour (!/?)
    There’s an old saying that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. Not so in the Labour Party, wherein soul-crushing defeat on a scale unseen since 1925 definitely has many fathers (and more than a few mothers and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • At the end of the day…
    At the end of the day…...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty
    Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Internet MANA the election and the media
    I’ve been very critical of media reporting of Internet MANA during the election campaign and not surprised at the predictable response from representatives of the corporate media establishment. I wasn’t going to carry this further but was asked at the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Rachel Jones – A superficial discourse analysis of a superfic...
    On Sunday there was a story about Paddy Gower and his detached retina in the Herald on Sunday. Really? I hear you ask. Really? Yes, really. Pam Corkery will have sprayed toast crumbs over her dressing gown. The reporter has become...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Terrorising Australia’s Muslim population
    We should be suspicious when 800 police conduct “terror” raids across Australia, but only one person is charged with a relevant terrorism offence (of which we know few details). We should be suspicious of the lurid tales of terrorists planning...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its min...
    Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its mind. I know the Labour party has its problems and I’m not even going to try to prescribe what should be done about it. But what I...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Loyalty, Leadership and the Labour Party
    My first after the election and I can only say I’m feeling pretty sad.  It was a terrible result, and feels even more so knowing the number of volunteers hours, hard work & sacrifice made by so many people who...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Cunliffe vs Robertson – Round 2
    Much to the disappointment of the NZ Herald and other right wing pundits who have decided they would like to appoint the next Labour leader, Cunliffe has surprised by deciding to damn the Caucus and appeal directly to the members...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The tasks before the left and labour movement
    Anyone on the left would have been disappointed at the result of the election. There was an opportunity to win, but that got lost through a combination of factors. There were tactical decisions made by Labour, the Greens and Internet-Mana...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • From Fiji’s dictatorship to ‘democracy’ – the AUT student team on t...
    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Documenting historic Māori land law cases for the first time
    A new book from Victoria University of Wellington’s Faculty of Law will continue to put the spotlight on Māori Land Law judgments which have never before been published....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • ‘Oily’ people greet Petroleum Summit diners
    Greenpeace activists smeared in fake oil have greeted guests arriving at the part-Statoil sponsored Petroleum Summit dinner this evening....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Key Decisions Made About Labour’s Leadership Election
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has made the key decisions about the timetable and process around the election of Labour’s Party Leader. The result will be announced on Tuesday 18th November, following a comprehensive and extensive process unique...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Suspected $6 Million Dollar Wananga Fraud Alarming
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on on the Te Whare Wananga o Awanuiarangi to front up over claims the Wananga has pocketed government overpayments amounting to $6 million of taxpayers' money. Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
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    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
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    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
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    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
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    Scoop politics | 28-09
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