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Open mike 23/06/2013

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  1. LynWiper 1

    The country’s private schools are raking in a big share of taxpayer funding designed to help special needs students sit exams.

    The Dyslexia Foundation of New Zealand says the system allows wealthy parents at private schools to work the system at the expense of poor parents whose children miss out.

    Applications for funding require parents to pay for a report from an educational psychologist to prove their children have special needs – which critics say benefits those who can afford it.

    The foundation said that contrast ( facts provided in article) “epitomises the current inequality of access to SAC between the haves and have-nots”.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8830344/Private-schools-snare-special-needs-cash

    • rosy 1.1

      That’s a bit like nicking the change from the Child Cancer jar on the coffee shop counter, isn’t it? – and I bet they laugh about how clever they are to ‘minimise’ their tax bill then rip off the taxpayer by taking money from kids who need access to this resource, but can’t afford to go get it. I mean it’s pennies to them.

      Why, also, does the NZQA put a financial barrier to financial aid like this? It doesn’t make any sense at all, increasing the disadvantage of the disadvantaged when this resource is meant to improve their lot.

      • David H 1.1.1

        This is a bit more than the Coffee jar rip off. This is the systematic rip off of to start with the NHS, but how many other countries are getting ripped off ?

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10892350

      • Pasupial 1.1.2

        I wish I could say this surprised me, but it’s very much what you’d expect from NACT NZ. Is there some kind of; Rorts of the Month Newsletter, that goes out to their supporters? The near tripling of SAC expenditure in a single year (159 000 to 433 000) is most suspicious. Especially given that a quarter of King’s students got assistance, while Otahahu College got nothing.

        If NZQA require educational psychologist assessment before handing over the cash, you’d hope the ministry review will recommend their funding this themself. I suspect it’ll just be a whitewash though, or maybe they’ll even recommend canceling the SAC programme altogether (as the private schools will have gone on to the next scam by then).

    • ghostrider888 1.2

      this is unfortunate; individuals living with autism and dyslexia are generally gifted in other dimensions, yet if situated in a lower-decile area / school, these qualities are less likely to be revealed, with the children concerned becoming labeled as ‘difficult’. Then there was the revelation on RNZ this week that of the school settings receiving funding to provide a learning environment for ‘difficult’ children, few are meeting Ministry of Education criteria and guidelines. Instead, many children are just warehoused in a holding pattern.

  2. Morrissey 2

    DUM QUOTE OF THE WEEK
    No. 1: Steve Hansen

    # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #

    “The French definitely turned up to play.”

    # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #

    —The All Blacks’ dozy coach Steve Hansen, following yet another abject non-effort by the Tricolors.
    Saturday 22 June 2013

    • mac1 2.1

      In the game I watched, the French led twice, and forced scrum penalties from the All Black scrum. The All Blacks scored a try which a referee could not have allowed without video review and which remained dubious, and prevented a French try only by a professional foul with blatant jersey pulling.

      The score could have been AB 17 FR 16! Rugby watching is like political commentating and poll watching, isn’t it?

      • Morrissey 2.1.1

        In the game I watched, the French led twice, and forced scrum penalties from the All Black scrum. The All Blacks scored a try which a referee could not have allowed without video review and which remained dubious, and prevented a French try only by a professional foul with blatant jersey pulling.

        In the second minute of the match, France got perfect running ball a few metres from the NZ goal line. Any team, even the least talented, would have at least had a go at passing the ball in such a situation; a team of France’s calibre would be almost guaranteed of scoring. But instead of spinning it, French flyhalf Remi Tales kicked it into the All Black’s in-goal area, and a chance went begging. Tales’ “choice” of squandering possession so grossly was to be repeated by him and his lackadaisacal team-mates throughout the “game”.

        You can take Steve Hansen’s lead and pretend that France made an effort if you want, just as the clowns in the Herald on Sunday have done. But please don’t pretend to be doing anything other than talking up a hollow win in a friendly match against a team that made only a token effort.

        The score could have been AB 17 FR 16!

        Sure it could, if the French had turned up to play. They did not, and it was another disgraceful lack of effort, on a par with last weekend’s horror show in Christchurch.

        Rugby watching is like political commentating and poll watching, isn’t it?

        Some political pollsters like to pretend things are other than what they actually are. Just like Steve Hansen, actually.

        • mac1 2.1.1.1

          Or maybe like you, Morrissey.

          Read your own comments as one who reads them from our side of the internet divide. From what you write in reply, if we disagree with you we are clowns like the Herald or Hansen since we (bad12 and myself) saw that game differently, or pretenders who are dishonest in our commenting.

          Morrissey, there is a large problem of how to communicate or argue here. Did you ever wonder why you get commenters’ backs up here- and this is over (choke) an unimportant thing like a game of rugby, where they play the ball and not the man!

          • Morrissey 2.1.1.1.1

            Read your own comments as one who reads them from our side of the internet divide. From what you write in reply, if we disagree with you we are clowns like the Herald or Hansen since we (bad12 and myself) saw that game differently, or pretenders who are dishonest in our commenting.

            I don’t think you are being dishonest, my friend. But I do think you are not looking at that travesty of a match either sensibly or dispassionately. Of course the All Blacks played well, and deserved to win each of the three friendly games. The All Blacks approached those games seriously; the Tricolors, on the other hand, clearly did not. You saw just as clearly as I did that the French team hardly tried to do anything with the ball during any of those matches; even one of that extraordinarily dimwitted commentary team on Prime TV remarked on Saturday night that the French had done nothing other than boot any possession they got down-field and hope for mistakes from the All Blacks, a “tactic” which was never going to succeed, ever. The French showed no commitment, no passion, and not a hint of creativity, in spite of the TV advertisements blathering about “French flair”. In other words, they hardly made an effort. You can either face up to that fact, and condemn them for it, or you can pretend that the All Blacks won against a French team playing football seriously.

            Morrissey, there is a large problem of how to communicate or argue here. Did you ever wonder why you get commenters’ backs up here-

            That’s a mighty big statement. I have got people’s backs up now and again, certainly. But we usually reconcile and I get along well with most of my interlocutors, even if we squabble occasionally.

            and this is over (choke) an unimportant thing like a game of rugby, where they play the ball and not the man!

            Yes, you’re right, mac, I should tone it down a bit. Must try harder….

    • bad12 2.2

      A non-effort by the French,??? my opinion is that the French turned up at Yarrow stadium last night with a game plan designed to negate the game the All Blacks brought to Christchurch the previous week,

      Considering that the French were for most of last nights game in a position were a converted try could have won them the game their game plan could be said to have been superior to that of the previous week,

      Obviously the French negating the attacking capabilities of the All Blacks last night gave us more an exhibition of thugby as opposed to the brilliant use of the football of the previous week and the old adage about changing a winning team was once again proved as the line-out failed to adequately compete against the French when compared with the previous week and a rusty number 10 in Dan Carter produced what was a pretty lack-luster game by His own standards….

      • Morrissey 2.2.1

        A non-effort by the French,???

        Well at least they actually put warm bodies on the park, even though their hearts were clearly not in it. They did tackle and get in the way, of course, but they tried absolutely nothing on attack, and in fact deliberately squandered chances to score by mindlessly punting away perfect front-foot ball.

        …my opinion is that the French turned up at Yarrow stadium last night with a game plan designed to negate the game the All Blacks brought to Christchurch the previous week,

        What “game plan”? They showed nothing and did nothing. Except get in the way of the All Blacks.

        Considering that the French were for most of last nights game in a position were a converted try could have won them the game their game plan could be said to have been superior to that of the previous week,

        Again, WHAT game plan are you talking about? They did nothing. Possibly this was a good tackling practice for them, and I would not put it past them to have treated it as nothing more serious.

        Obviously the French negating the attacking capabilities of the All Blacks last night gave us more an exhibition of thugby as opposed to the brilliant use of the football of the previous week

        What “brilliant use” of the football? It was virtually an unopposed training run for the All Blacks in Christchurch.

        and the old adage about changing a winning team was once again proved as the line-out failed to adequately compete against the French when compared with the previous week and a rusty number 10 in Dan Carter produced what was a pretty lack-luster game by His own standards….

        And what about the rustiness of the Tricolors’ No. 10? At least Carter never did anything as grossly irresponsible as his opposite number (Remi Tales) did in the first 90 seconds of last night’s debacle.

  3. LynWiper 3

    A discussion well worth being involved in.

    Worldwide, demand for medicines is outstripping governments’ ability to pay for them, as people live longer and expensive new therapies come to market. But Pharmac CEO Steffan Crausaz said unlike similar bodies in other countries, Pharmac has a fixed budget, forcing it to prioritise.

    Now, for the first time, the public is being asked to give its opinion on whether those priorities need reform.

    Harris told the Sunday Star-Times that funding decisions work best when they are based on a set of principles, rather than ad hoc decisions on what seems reasonable. Deciding just what those principles should be, though, can be tricky.

    The New Zealand system attempts to compare and prioritise, “independently of disease-based lobbying, whether it’s from manufacturers or doctors or patient groups”.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8830368/The-pills-bills-Its-life-or-death

    From Tuesday, Pharmac is hosting a series of free community forums seeking the public’s views on what its decision criteria should be. For details see bit.ly/19m3Jvr

    Pharmac’s consultation guidelines:

    http://www.bit.ly/12PsGzh

    • Jenny Kirk 3.1

      Thanks for raising this really important issue, LynWiper. Pharmac has been under attack from drug companies for some time now because they’ve been holding prices of meds down, and using generics rather than expensive drug company specialities. I think we need to give them as much support as possible, help them work out those priorities, so we continue to get reasonable costs on our medications and not be subject to the prices of those huge multinational drugs manufacturers.

      • wyndham 3.1.1

        The TPP negotiations loom large on this issue. The Americans have their eye on Pharmac and one wonders what is the real position of our Nact representatives at these talks.

        • Jenny 3.1.1.1

          Or indeed their ABC Labour opponents.

        • Draco T Bastard 3.1.1.2

          …and one wonders what is the real position of our Nact representatives at these talks.

          I don’t. They’ll sell out to US demands.

    • Bill 3.2

      For a start they could pay attention to their first 8 decision making criteria and END all funding for the current tranche of Nicotine Replacement Therapies (patches, inhalers, gum etc that all contain nicotine) and save, how many millions of dollars per annum that currently goes to lining the pockets of Big Pharma? Instead, and in line with 1 through 8 of their own criteria, they could provide nicotine in solution to ex-smokers, allowing them to either continue the addiction with far fewer health consequences or to step their dosage down in incremental stages until they were nicotine free.

    • rosy 3.3

      I’m hoping to see an interest in what people think about quality of life concerns in Pharmac’s decision-making process.

      From my point of view, decisions are too focused on a narrow medical benefit and cost to the health system. For example there are relatively rare disabling conditions that can prevent people taking part in society. Standard drugs can keep them as functioning invalids, prevent hospitalisation, and slow the course of the disease, but may not allow the patient to resume a life without assistance – financial (including invalid benefit for those who don’t have a partner to rely on) and/or physical – due to disabilities resulting from the illness.

      However, newer, very expensive drugs can allow the ill person to function at the same level as a person without the condition – interacting with family, having a social life, and crucially (in term of other societal/taxpayer costs), able to work and pay tax, play, and physically look after their families. However in Pharmac’s view the new drug does nothing more than the older, cheaper drugs in the reduction of health system costs so is heavily restricted.

      And yet, (for my personal pet rant) Pharmac pay a fortune in omeprazole (Losec) (due to the number of people who are prescribed it) so people can eat spicy chicken (queue Losec ad) when a green prescription may have a greater impact. Rant exceptions, of course, for people with little choice – I don’t intend to dismiss need – e.g. those with stomach ulcers, IBDs or taking anti-inflammatories for a condition that the above example incorporates.

  4. Morrissey 4

    United States to charge Snowden with Spying.
    Who said the Americans don’t do irony?

    The US justice department has filed criminal charges against a fugitive ex-intelligence analyst who leaked details of a secret surveillance operation.

    The charges against ex-National Security Agency (NSA) analyst Edward Snowden include espionage and….

    Read more, if you can bear it….
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23012317

  5. I should not laugh but …

    The SST is reporting Truth’s escort service website has been hacked and the phone numbers of escorts replaced by Cam Slater’s number. Imagine the surprised calls he must be receiving …

    • tc 5.1

      The irony is strong as cammy has an interesting moral compass when it comes to the provision of his services

    • lprent 5.2

      *funny*. And no, it wasn’t me.

      Note to myself – might have to buy the SST this morning.

      • karol 5.2.1

        There is an online version of the main article: “The Truth Was Out There”. pp A11-12 of the hard copy.

        on pA3, there’s a small article, “Official: Truth a bunch of Hacks” about the website hack. SLater says he put his phone on silent, and wasn’t very bothered by “the childish games people play”.

        Slater says he hasn’t heard from the Truth’s owners since the closure was announced, and that he’s now “exploring a digital-only newspaper venture”.

        Should be fun – *yawn*.

    • Anne 5.3

      I should not laugh…

      Why not. That’s hilarious. Wish we knew who it was…

    • Huginn 5.4

      That is very funny

  6. North 6

    Q + A………to be renamed “Qeue + Adore” (ShonKey Python and National that is).

    In the first 20 minutes:

    – Key given full novelistic reign on QE with nothing from Norman.

    – Big ups to National for protecting vulnerable immigrant workers (oh how
    marvellous……everyone else is implacably opposed to that of course, yeah right).

    – Miller, Mapp and Mei waxing lyrical how wonderful is “Minister” Woodhouse for militating
    against immigrant worker exploitation. Mapp……..the embarrassingly pompous pedant former National Party cabinet minister. On the show to lead the cheering by and for “Woody” ?

    – Oh wow……..Palestine……..thank you lawyer Mei…….”this is a very important matter for which a
    solution must be found…..”. Strangely, no addressing “justice the seed, peace the
    flower”. To do so I guess would be too challenging for the Susan (thick as a piece of) Wood.

    – And on the question of workers rights no mention during the acclaimation for “Minister”
    Woodhouse of the attack on New Zealand workers’ rights promoted by that sleaze the slightly
    cleverer than Gilmore, Jamie-Lee Ross. Parallel to the startlingly innovative focus of
    “Minister ” Woodhouse in boldly enforcing law already on the statute book.

    Qeue + Adore not worth watching I’m afraid. Why not just can it and toss production costs into National Party coffers.

    • ghostrider888 6.1

      Yes, migrant labour exploitation equivalent to NAct labour law exploitation.
      After a few token prosecutions, where will the resourcing come from to follow up notifications.

      And on New Zealanders returning from overseas? from Tracey Lee , ‘Brand Strategist’ and wastage of a sociology education, “we must smooth the hardship of their transition” (paraphrased) …I shake my head in despair! Lord give us strength, strewth!
      Did I say, I’m feeling disgust about now…

    • Jackal 6.2

      +1 The bit about Kiwis returning back to New Zealand was particularly naive. Not once was our low waged economy, which is the main reason for the mass-exodus, mentioned. All we had was propaganda about a supposed 25,000 Kiwis returning each year, which morphed into a puff piece with claims that most Kiwis only left for a little while anyway.

      Meanwhile in the real world there’s approximately a million Kiwis permanently living abroad, and the mass exodus continues unabated.

      But whatever, John Key promising that people would waive goodbye to higher taxes and not their loved ones is a distant memory, especially it seems for the deluded spin doctors over at Q+A.

      • ghostrider888 6.2.1

        a dearth of balanced, objective pundits on the local current faire, yet there is always Colin James and Jon Johanssen 😎

      • phillip ure 6.2.2

        http://whoar.co.nz/2013/q-a-a-review-7/

        (excerpt..)

        “….next subject:..returning expats..

        .a ‘brand-strategist’ is up first..(ed::..no..!..really..!..good grief..!’)

        ..who does a ‘brand-strategist’/cliche-stringing-together tour-de-force..

        ..then some returning ice-cream-maker..(!)..

        (ed:..q & a veers into ‘good morning’ territory..again..)

        (ed:..we are halfway thru this show now..and not a moment of that first half would be worth getting up off the couch for..)

        ..(the ‘brand-strategist’ talks of the stigmas from being a returning expat..(!)..(ed:..who the fuck knew..?..)

        ..then her and compere woods seriously camp out in ‘good morning’ territory..both getting over–excited/comfortable with/over ‘connecting’-talk..”

        phillip ure..

    • chris73 6.3

      Its good theres a counter-balance to the blatantly left Campbell Live

      • Colonial Viper 6.3.1

        Glad you accept it was the National Campaigning Show through and through.

        • chris73 6.3.1.1

          Just like Campbell is anti-National, I mean fairs fair right

          • Arfamo 6.3.1.1.1

            Is Campbell blatantly left and anti-National, or just challenging whatever government is in power?

            • McFlock 6.3.1.1.1.1

              Campbell’s sucking up to Helen Clark obviously proves Chris’ point. Oh, wait…

          • Colonial Viper 6.3.1.1.2

            John Campbell speaks up for disadvantaged people and points out social inequality.

            I suspect that is why you label him “anti National”

            • Saarbo 6.3.1.1.2.1

              Spot on CV, Helping the disadvantaged = Anti National. Sums it up!

            • Jenny 6.3.1.1.2.2

              I well remember the time when John Campbell broke the investigation by Nicky Hager into Corngate. Senior Labour Party activists I spoke to were ropeable. The air was blue. And the abuse they showered on Campbell and Hager. “They were close friends”, “They were working together to discredit the Labour Party”, “They are rats”, “anti-Labour” etc. etc

    • David H 6.4

      Yeah I near vomited at the sycophancy that was shown. Shit it’s another program that’s on the why bother list, as it’s been dumbed down, and is at the level of 7 sharp now. and it’s getting worse, the MSM is hopeless. And the so called Current Affairs shows are either dumbed down, or are on at such weird times that the stories are lost to the main stream.

    • tc 6.5

      Q + A is part of the NACT spin machine. The nats know how to make the SOE’s do their bidding, it’s all too easy when you stack the board/management and have that mafia style approach to the ‘funding ‘

      Susan Wood as on of the attack dogs..says it all really, just a revolving door of hacks and has beens.

    • tc 6.6

      Q + A is part of the NACT spin machine. The nats know how to make the SOE’s do their bidding, it’s all too easy when you stack the board/management and have that mafia style approach to the ‘funding ‘

      Susan Wood as one of the attack dogs says it all really, just a revolving door of hacks and has beens who know how to keep the paymasters happy.

  7. Pascal's bookie 7

    lol @ Petey George getting fisked by David Fisher on his twitter machine:

    https://twitter.com/DFisherJourno

    • weka 7.1

      Is that conversation intelligible to people who use twitter regularly? (couldn’t quite follow it myself).

  8. just saying 8

    Labour is planning to ‘ take the fight to National’, and will announce new policy imminently, on what it says is one of the most pressing issues facing New Zealand. It asks:

    What are we doing to make Herne Bay housing more
    affordable for young professional first-home buyers?

    Labour leader, David Shearer says he expects this to be one of the key election issues in 2014 and Labour will ‘terrorise’ its National Party opponents in the ferocity with which they will fight for the “hard working children of our own hard working families, who work very hard”.

    http://www.imperatorfish.com/2013/06/i-get-it-now.html

    • chris73 8.1

      Its just lazy making fun of Shearer and Labour…wheres the challenge?

      • just saying 8.1.1

        Can’t argue with that.
        It’s just that sometimes I need an outlet to express my ongoing anger.

    • David H 8.2

      ” imminently” Is that like Soon? or Sometime Soon?, or Could Be Soon?

      • just saying 8.2.1

        That information is not contained on the auto-cue and will therefore remain unknown.

  9. North 9

    The Herald this morning – front page online – elderly lady attacked and assaulted in her own home – surveillance camera style photograph of a capped and hoodied young brown guy:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/

    Go to the article – photograph of a police car. No picture of the young brown guy and no mention of him.

    Why no mention of him Herald ? Oh I see, the photograph of the young brown guy is unrelated to the article.

    So why then is there a photo of a capped and hoodied young brown guy on your front page under the headline “Elderly victims targeted” ?

    No No I’m not complaining…….racial profiling is just fine with me.

    • andy (the other one) 9.1

      The photo is from a cash machine where one of the elderly victims cards was trying to be used by the hoodied young brown guy.

      Its not racial profiling when its a picture of someone using a stolen ATM card.

      Get over yourself.

      • North 9.1.1

        I will try Andy. Where’s the Herald at leaving the photo completely unexplained in the article.
        Sensible to link surely ? Oh hang on, maybe the stereoptype is so established as to obviate the link.

        • Colonial Viper 9.1.1.1

          I think they modified the article to make it clearer.

        • andy (the other one) 9.1.1.2

          The police have given the Herald footage from a crime to help solve it, evil fucker robbing old folk. Jeeebus they aint perfect (teh herald) but cut them some slack on this.

          Oh look, more photos.

          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10892362

          Fuck you and your ‘established stereotype’ nonsense. There is some dangerous dude robbing old people with increasing violence. Colour of perpetrator and old folk not important.

          Dick!!

          • North 9.1.1.2.1

            The police have given footage……..

            Dead right Angry Andy as I now know. But who was to know that without any explanation of the photo ? Just in case you blow a fuse Dick !!, give a thought to this: the article has been updated as CV says. My comment was posted at about 11.00 am, before the update.

            If you wanna stay Angry Andy I’ll falsely state “Good on ya young brown fulla, bash those old ladies and steal their money”, just to prove your point and invigorate your strawman

            You who needs a life.

            • andy (the other one) 9.1.1.2.1.1

              I give the herald a little bit of credit. Not much but, some. Jumping to conclusions on a Sunday when they have the least staff on board still makes you a dick, when proven wrong by further updates.

              Yeah, I’m angry. Angry at your stupid and angry that some douche bag is robbing old people.

              Press F5 on your keyboard, its called ‘refresh’. Makes you less of a dick sometimes.

              You can falsely state whatever you want, but your still wrong and will not, withdraw and apologise.

              There is no strawman, just facts.

              Dick!!!

              Edit: was updated at 10.40am ish with attribution on photo.

              • North

                Yeah, facts, as presented by the Herald at 11.00 am, and crucially, differently and more instructively, some hours later.

                Careful with your fuse Andy. Happy to cut the Herald some slack aye ? Fair enough. How about some for me since I commented on the appearance of the earlier set of Herald “facts”, not the later set of Herald “facts”.

                Highly unreasonable of you to keep up the insistence that I approve of the criminality and cowardice we mutually detest when you know full well I do not.

                No strawman you reckon ? Huh !

                Again, it’s for you to get a life.

              • North

                Tried to edit the above comment after reading your edit. Understand Andy, not facts that I saw. I read and reread the article, surprised there was no explanation as to the guy’s connection. Then spent 10-15 minutes writing a comment in response to the article as first presented by the Herald which response I submitted at 10.50 am.

                Still not satisfied ? Tough. Be obtuse.

                Yeah right. I applaud the bastard responsible. Of course I do ! Happy now ? How’s the fuse ?

    • Draco T Bastard 9.2

      You mean this one?

      This man attempted to use a card taken during an attack in Westmere on Thursday at a nearby money machine. Photo / NZ Police

  10. Jenny 10

    In scenes reminiscent of the early days of the Syrian protests. Turkish police break up peaceful demonstrations with unprovoked violence.

    Though he didn’t state who they were, following Basher Assad’s lead, Turkish leader Tayip Erdogan blamed Turkey’s enemies.

    Turkish riot police fired water cannon to disperse thousands of anti-government demonstrators in central Istanbul on Saturday, as Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan castigated those behind protests he said had played into the hands of Turkey’s enemies.

    The latest unrest in Taksim Square punctured six days of relative calm in Turkey’s biggest city, although it was a long way frommatching the ferocity of previous clashes there and in other cities that began more than three weeks ago.

    Demonstrators threw carnations at a phalanx of officers carrying shields who slowly advanced towards them, flanked by water cannon, to clear the square.

    “Police, don’t betray your people!” activists shouted after they had been scattered into streets leading to Taksim. Witnesses said police later used teargas to disperse pockets of protesters on a main shopping street nearby.

    Hours earlier, Erdogan had told thousands of supporters in the Black Sea city of Samsun that the unrest had played into the hands of Turkey’s enemies.

    Reuters http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/8830983/Turkish-riot-police-break-up-protest

    Maybe Colonial Viper could help Erdogan out here. And put a name to these unnamed enemies of Turkey

    This shouldn’t be to hard for CV. As CV doesn’t need to have any knowledge at all of conditions on the ground in Turkey. Or even take note of those who do. All he has to do is pull out his tired old Marxist dogmatic script which reliably informed him that the Yankee Imperialists were behind every other Middle Eastern revolt.

    Maybe CV could helpfully suggest to Erdogan, as he did for Assad, that the use of deadly nerve gas against the enemies of his country wouldn’t be a war crime.

    • ghostrider888 10.1

      maybe Jenny could stop wasting bait on the Viper, and set sights on other fish 😀

      • Jenny 10.1.1

        You are probably right. I will stop wasting my time and energy on this supporter of fascism when he stops provoking me.

        What I was responding to was his attack on me.

        I posted a statement in support of Edward Snowden. Which Colonial Viper took exception to. And which I replied to by trying to keep it light. To which Colonial Viper launched an unwarranted attack on me for supporting the Syrian people’s struggle to free themselves of a murderous dictatorship.

        See the exchange here

        I have never used CV’s support for the fascist regime of Basher Assad against him. Preferring to argue the merit of the issue at hand. I had also hoped that CV’s support for the Assad regime, indeed his whole racist dismissal of the validity of the Arab Spring, was some sort of grotesque mistake. Everyone can make mistakes. And so out of politeness I have never used it to beat him up, when discussing other issues.

        However I feel that I would be remiss in not responding to CV’s unprovoked attack. IMHO to allow CV’s sick support for the facist style Bashar Assad regime to go unchallenged would be tantamount to agreeing not to challenge this sort of repression anywhere. If he thinks he can bring this up in an attempt to embarrass me every time he disagrees with me, then he is mistaken

        I make no apology for supporting the struggle of the people of Syria fighting for democracy. That that struggle has become brutal and fratracidal, in the nature of all civil wars, was not of their choice but of the dictator Bashar Assad. Bashar Assad could have agreed to grant the protesters the minor democratic reforms that they originally sought. Instead he decided to gun them down instead.

        What I take from CV’s attack on me over the comment on Edward Snowden, is that Colonial Viper hates the sort of political activism that the citizens of Hong Kong are famous for. The courageous political activism that has seen the people of Hong Kong openly defy the Beijing communist regime, and that Snowden has put his faith in, to protect him, from both the Chinese communist and the American capitalist governments.

        And I might add, also the same sort of political activism that New Zealanders too can also rightly lay claim to as a proud tradition of protest practiced here.

        I believe this argument has relevance to what happens here.

        Colonial Viper dismisses the power and the success and validity of all grass roots citizen protest movements protesting against authority and injustice.
        Though it can be seriously argued that such movements have achieved more for human progress and human rights than all the pragmatic top table horse trading that political parties spend their time on.

        I believe that Colonial Viper is of the opinion that we should leave everything up to the high ups in the Labour Party and the Greens.

        If the Greens and Labour decide in their coalition discussions that Deep Sea Oil drilling is OK. Then we must accept it. If these “leaders” decide on our behalf that there is nothing we here in New Zealand can do about climate change, we must accept that too. In fact we must accept everything that the political bureaucracies shove down our throats even if it is killing us.

        I believe that the sort of activism that I talk about, makes people like Colonial Viper uneasy, because it holds mainstream parties to account and decreases the amount of wriggle room that the mainstream politicians have to make compromises and sellouts.

        But it is the tradition that made New Zealand become nuclear free and left no room for compromise for the Lange government. It is the tradition that saw New Zealand reject racially selected sports teams.
        It is the same proud tradition of protest that keeps democracy alive in Hong Kong while surrounded by a communist dictatorship.

        Finally it is the same spirit that moved the people of Syria to take up arms against the state in response to the violence unleashed against them by the regime. (A lesson that Erdogan of Turkey, indeed all autocratic leaders where ever they are, should take note of.)

      • Huginn 10.1.2

        That’s good advice from the Ghostrider, Jenny
        Not all reptiles are dragons

    • muzza 10.2

      http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/uk-syria-crisis-turkey-idUKBRE93F0PG20130416

      (Reuters) – Turkey detained 10 people on Tuesday on suspicion of providing weapons and fighters in the name of al Qaeda to Islamist rebels trying to topple the Syrian government, highlighting the dilemma Turkey faces as one of the rebel movement’s biggest backers

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/06/14/syria-rebels-weapons-logistics/2423185/

      The United States has been sending communication equipment to rebels of the Free Syrian Army through Turkey. Rebels have picked up shipments in Istanbul and driven them across the border into Syria along secure routes.

      Turkey has sea ports for larger shipments. Most of the arms rebel leaders have requested are light weapons, chief among them shoulder-fired missiles. The missiles are wanted to shoot down Syrian aircraft or disable Syrian tanks.

      Turkey allowed itself to be used by the USA/UK/France, imperialists in their desire to upend the ME, to control the resources on that region, as well as the continued resource theft in Africa.

      Turkey, has played its part very poorly, and alienated Muslim sects, by being used as an imperialist puppet, and is now feeling the fallout of the administrations corrupted actions!

      Not to hard to understand where these, *enemies* might come from, Jenny!

      The subject of the ME/Africa, is clearly beyond your ability to comprehend, Jenny. Perhaps its a good time to re-focus on those areas you might consider to be, strenghts!

    • Poission 10.3

      Maybe CV could helpfully suggest to Erdogan, as he did for Assad, that the use of deadly nerve gas against the enemies of his country wouldn’t be a war crime.

      Maybe we should introduce some facts,which tend to get in the way of Jenny’s story books.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/05/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505

    • Colonial Viper 10.4

      Cheers guys, much appreciated.

      • Jenny 10.4.1

        Cheers guys, much appreciated.

        Colonial Viper

        You guys must be kidding?

        Is this some sort of black comedy?

        In your your deadly serious campaign to support mass murder and torture CV you and your mates are so out of touch with reality that you have completely lost your sense of the ridiculous.

        Do you guys seriously expect us to believe this rubbish?

        What you are trying to tell us is that the rebels who can’t even build a safe field hospital. Assembled all the chemical ingredients to make sarin. Not to mention, putting in place all the high tech containment and safety procedures that need to be at the very least a PC1 level containment. According to wikipedia, a task even the nazis couldn’t fully complete in time before the end of the war.

        And having achieved all that, loaded it into a specialised artillery shell. Or did they deliver it in the back of a bread van?

        Maybe you guys have got your scripts mixed up?

        http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-hD3w_VdTG30/john_smiths_bachelor_party/

        • Jenny 10.4.1.1

          Got a little nazi frat boy thing going on here CV?

        • Te Reo Putake 10.4.1.2

          Jenny, I think your overwrought witterings are the problem. eg Assad and CV are not fascists and not liking the makeup of parts of the Syrian opposition does not make one a fascist. And you are dreaming if you think anyone much is fighting for ‘democracy’. One of the reasons the West has been slow to get involved is exactly that question; is there any point in replacing Assad when an even worse regime will be taking over?

          We went through that scenario in Iraq and look how that turned out.

          • Jenny 10.4.1.2.1

            One of the reasons the West has been slow to get involved is exactly that question; is there any point in replacing Assad when an even worse regime will be taking over?

            Te Reo Putake

            TRP Your defence of Colonial Viper’s support for the brutal Basha Assad regime falls down on the fact that from the beginning CV has claimed that the whole thing is an American plot. Including the Arab Spring itself.

            This is not just factually wrong but is actually a racist slur on the Arab people.

            I don’t think that any party that calls itself democratic can long tolerate in their ranks an Islamaphobic racist who openly admires a fascist style dictatorial regime that indulges in mass murder and torture.

            • Colonial Viper 10.4.1.2.1.1

              you forgot to add in climate change denialist and proxy for the fossil fuel industry, for gods sakes can you get my credentialling right

              • Jenny

                No I got it right. You have consistently argued in the past to do nothing about climate change. I have never called you a “climate change denialist“. What I did term you as, and I think I was being accurate at the time, was a “climate change ignorer“. (something you share in common with David Shearer). However on saying that I have noticed of late, a positive change in your position. It just goes to shows me that no one is irredeemable. I play rough but you are learning.

                • Colonial Viper

                  What have you got right exactly, Jenny? Your Arab Spring working out for ordinary people in Egypt and Libya is it? Your Syrian “popular revolt” still importing a lot of foreign Islamic fighters just to keep going? Green party coming around to your way of looking at the world?

                  What exactly is it that you have got right?

                  It just goes to shows me that no one is irredeemable. I play rough but you are learning.

                  You’re not a valkyrie, Jenny, just mistaken.

                  • Jenny

                    Thankyou for the back handed compliment. I may take up Voice of Reason AKA Te Reo Putake’s suggestion that I change my call sign after all.

        • Poission 10.4.1.3

          And having achieved all that, loaded it into a specialised artillery shell. Or did they deliver it in the back of a bread van?

          Mr Whippy would be a reasonable delivery mechanism.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

  11. xtasy 11

    New information about the drive to place sick and incapacitated WINZ beneficiaries with mental health issues into employment:

    Learn a bit about some of the possibly leading “pigs at the government trough”, who are likely contenders for MSDs contracts to outsource employment services for getting mentally ill (and other incapacitated) WINZ beneficiaries into work, for nice fees paid that will be based on referrals, duration of employment and so forth (more to come):

    Press Release – Wise Group, 10:15 May 16, 2013:
    http://business.scoop.co.nz/2013/05/16/employment-and-mental-health/
    describing a new “tool” for doctors and mental health service providers, to “assist” and “motivate” clients to move back into work, developed by ‘The Wise Group’ – more on them further below!!!

    See what was already done last year to prepare for the push to get mentally ill assisted back into work in last year:

    “Engage Aotearoa”:
    http://www.engagenz.co.nz/?tag=employment-support-as-a-mental-health-intervention-forum

    Employment Support as a Mental Health Intervention Forum: 9 March 2012

    Quote:
    “This is your invitation to a forum for clinicians and others that will focus on this developing field of practice. International research andthe experience of practitioners, signals that evidence-based supported employment is emerging as a significant intervention to help people into paid competitive work.This symposium with is focus on employment is timely as the Government has indicated a comprehensive review of the benefit system.”

    …with information on a forum last year, at the Ko Awatea Centre for Education & Innovation, Otahuhu

    attended by speakers:
    Rob Warriner, CEO of Walsh Trust: http://www.walsh.org.nz;
    Warren Elwin, CEO of Workwise, Employment Agency: http://www.workwise.org.nz;
    Helen Lockett, Strategic Development, Wise Group: http://www.wisegroup.co.nz;
    Clive Bensemann, Director of Mental Health, Auckland District Health Bd;
    David Codyre, Clinical Director/ Consultant Psychiatrist, ProCare Psychological Services …
    And –
    John Zonnevylle, Capital Coast DHB
    Magdel Hammond, Edge Employment,
    Dale Rook, Occupational Therapist, Auckland District Health Board

    More information: http://www.engagenz.co.nz/?p=1677
    Main website: http://www.engagenz.co.nz/

    Also to take note of:
    http://grow.co.nz/real-value-helen-lockett/
    (another “UK expert”, but I am a bit unsure whether she is one of those supporting Prof. Mansel Aylward’s and Dr David Bratt’s particularly hardline philosophies on “work capacity” and the “health benefits of work”)

    See Workwise’s “information” on “evidence based supported employment”:
    http://www.workwise.org.nz/about-us/EBSE
    http://www.workwise.org.nz/news/2012/02/27/new-zealands-first-primary-care-partnership-in-evidence_based-supported-employment
    http://www.workwise.org.nz/news/2012/02/27/analysis-shows-strong-financial-returns-from-employment

    The Wise Group – a major player, who own/operate ‘Workwise’:
    http://www.wisegroup.co.nz/page/5-Home
    http://www.wisegroup.co.nz/page/24-The-Wise-family
    http://www.wisegroup.co.nz/page/14-who-we-are+our-history

    http://www.socialangels.org.nz/about
    (see ‘The Wise Group’ being a “charitable trust” and “Social Angels” a registered “charity”)

    Workwise on the Charities Register:
    http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/ViewCharity?accountId=8f8b356e-320f-dd11-99cd-0015c5f3da29&searchId=291abede-5d72-4bbc-a693-165e621a71ce

    Workwise Trust Group on the Charities Register:
    http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/ViewCharity?accountId=8febe8e5-290d-dd11-99cd-0015c5f3da29&searchId=291abede-5d72-4bbc-a693-165e621a71ce

    Charities Register – last filed return:
    http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/PublicAnnualReturn?nocId=797d3395-4749-e211-84ab-00155d0d1916&charityRef=WOR18206&accountId=8f8b356e-320f-dd11-99cd-0015c5f3da29&searchId=291abede-5d72-4bbc-a693-165e621a71ce&nocRef=WIS18147AR005

    So there we have it – more “corporate welfare” in the form of generous employment schemes for the well paid running of such services, and for perhaps a bit less generously paid bulk of the remaining “staff”. All likely to be part of the planned outsourcing and privatisation of welfare.

    One thing is sure for the Wise Group:
    $ 61,277,236 government grants and contract payments, out of $ 65,412,195 total income of that “charity”!!! Not bad really, especially for the ones running it.

    I had some personal experiences with “Workwise” some time ago, as a former flatmate with some mental health issues tried to find work through the help of two of their staff. She got “stuff all” in real, effective support, and was rather disappointed by the “service” delivered by at times very unreliable and not all that motivated staff!

    ***When thinking of “charities” “Sanitarium” comes to mind again, owned by a church that can run the business as a “charity”, paying no tax on earnings. ***

    See other organisations and agencies involved in this approach:
    http://www.platform.org.nz/
    http://www.tepou.co.nz/
    http://www.tepou.co.nz/news/2013/06/13/employment-is-a-health-intervention
    http://www.tepou.co.nz/story/2011/01/01/supporting-people-with-mental-health-issues-to-return-to-and-stay-at-work
    http://www.pathways.co.nz/page/21-support-services+real-jobs+real-jobs

    http://carenz.co.nz/
    http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/1003540
    (Dr David Bratt, one of the directors at Care NZ Ltd!!! Only indirectly involved, but participating in the same “drive” to get sick back into work the “Bratt way”)

    Remember also:
    The whole agenda is being pushed strongly, and familiar people are behind it:
    http://www.wellnz.co.nz/about_us/press_release_details.asp?pressID=36&bhcp=1

    Paula Bennett’s speech to medical professionals in Sept. 2012, indicating work capacity assessments UK style (remember ATOS, DWP and the scandalous developments):
    http://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-medical-professionals

    I presume much is just “illness belief” (e.g. imagination), I suppose:
    http://awdpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Models-of-Sickness-Disability-Waddell-and-Aylward-2010-2.pdf
    (Publication by Prof. M. Aylward from 2010: ‘Models of Sickness and Disability’, or perhaps rather “blurring the lines, to open up attack lines on sick and disabled with incapacities – for state welfare agencies or insurance companies to dis-entitle beneficiaries and claimants”)

    In contrast the more widely known and well-established agency used by MSD and Work and Income to place people with physical disabilities into employment:
    http://www.workbridge.co.nz/?page=121
    (this is harmless, the more conventional approach, not covering mental health though)

    • Rosetinted 11.1

      Some visuals to go with the information on job finding!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or6CwOyx30I
      They’ve got pens – The League of Gentlemen – BBC
      Pauline turns up for her new start session with the unemployed but is quite shocked to find that the tables have turned. Contains adult humour. Watch more high quality….

    • just saying 11.2

      Good to check out the prospectus webpages of the ‘Wise’ outfit, especially the cvs of the main players. I’d love to know what sort of salaries they are pulling in for caring so deeply.

      There are sharks competing for funding with the little fish in the NGO/charity world.
      No prizes for guessing the winners in that particular battle for survival.

      • ghostrider888 11.2.1

        Had a lovely experience this morning, knock at the door, and a lovely maori lady from a local iwi social services and education trust, -initiated by a blind maori gentleman, Jim (last name escapes me) – invited me (and every other whanau in the street) to a sausage sizzle and a check out of some surplus winter clothing. They had parked up with a trailer at the end of the street and when I had to go out, most folk had wandered down and were catching up. Excellent after the cold spell.

  12. WHO’S COMING to “Presentations on Palestine, building support & links from NZ?”
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    Sunday 23 June from 12.30pm
    Auckland Town Hall Concert Chamber, Queen St:
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    Sunday 23 June from 12.30pm
    Auckland Town Hall Concert Chamber, Queen St:
    Presentations on Palestine, building support & links from NZ.

    4pm: special screening of Oscar-nominated Palestinian documentary “5 Broken Cameras”.

    5.30 – 6.30pm: meal break.

    6.30pm: talk by Palestinian teacher/blogger Yousef Aljamal on ‘Life under occupation’.

    7.30pm – 8.30pm: powerpoint presentation by author Miko Peled (“The General’s Son”).

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    • Huginn 12.1

      Miko Peled’s an interesting guy.

      Argues for:

      – The amalgamation of Occupied Territories with pre1967 Israel (ie the ‘Two State Solution” is dead on the ground)
      – Full citizenship for Palestinians, including per-1967 exiles
      – Right of return and compensation for Palestinians
      – South African style Truth & Reconciliation process

      Here’s a link to Miko Peled’s interview with Kim Hill

      http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/remote-player?id=2559559

  13. Rosetinted 13

    There is a great item on Chris Laidlaw Radionz this a.m. on spy-ring etc. Thinking about Edward Snowden et al.
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday
    A couple or more of speakers. The last I heard before putting this was a quip from a Hong Kong dignitary. She said that ‘The reason that the sun never set on the British Empire is because God doesn’t trust the British.’ Good eh!

    This is after remembering how Brits organised spying on foreign dignitaries at I think one G8 meeting, even organising special internet cafes that were set up so they could get access to all their emails. Another bit of negative information is that they sent a top diver under a Russian vessel with advanced propeller technology but unfortunately his head was cut off. The comment was made that the English speaking countries were heavily into spying and we have been involved, along with Australia, in the ‘Five Eyes’ system since the Eighties I think.

  14. Chooky 14

    Yes great interview: “God doesn’t trust the British…… in the dark !”….(end of quote , i think)

    Also praise for Winston’s peace making role in Fiji….from previous interview.

    ( Why does everyone pick on the bugger…..He has always stood for not selling NZ assets!…unlike the two major parties( and he brought National down over selling public assets) …and why is it always assumed he will join with National?…)

    • Jim Nald 14.1

      Hah! If only my father and grandfather were alive to hear that quote with that punchline!

  15. Rosetinted 15

    Thanks Chooky for FIFY
    I was just rereading mine and thought I missed the punchline on that quote. It reads even better when you see the whole thing Olwyn.
    And it was interesting to hear how staunch and reliable Winston Peters had been at the Fiji time of change and the high respect of the diplomatic staff for him.

  16. johnm 16

    “New Zealand government fast tracks domestic spying laws”

    “In an interview with TV3 on June 11, Key fell into step with the international vilification of Snowden, sharply denouncing him as a “criminal”, and saying he should face the “full force of the law.” While Key has flatly refused to comment on any aspect of NSA activities and its links with New Zealand spy agencies, he has not denied that they exist.”

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/22/nzin-j22.html

  17. jcuknz 17

    40,000 plus some more perhaps?
    Listening to Radio NZ ‘Arts on Sunday’ I learnt that movie film processing will stop shortly at Miramar, Wellington.

    The outfit started life in 1941 as a result of a reccomendation to the NZ Govt by John Greirson the British documentary film-maker which had the National Film Unit established. Reputedly the only time the NZ Govt acted on a commissioned report
    Later taken over by Television NZ and recently back at Miramar thanks to Peter Jackson but sadly[?] closing due to lack of throughput in the digital age.
    Seemingly the last Australasian lab to go under as apparently Aussies are sending last minute film to Miramar and they are very busy in their last days, just next week left before the gear is dismantled.

    Don’t quote me on this as it is just what I think I heard from the broadcast and memories, often not very accurate

  18. ghostrider888 18

    “Economic Reform Necessary”
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10892298
    -Bernard Hickey

  19. ghostrider888 19

    “When I first came to New Zealnd there were hardly any homeless people but now there are heaps, so where have we gone wrong?”
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10892330
    -Simon Buckingham, Lawyer.

    • Draco T Bastard 19.1

      That’s an easy one to answer – we had governments believing the economists and business people and thus put in place policies that rewarded the business people at everyone else’s expense. This has, quite predictably, resulted in a massive increase in poverty for the many while a few got immeasurably richer.

    • Populuxe1 19.2

      Much of that would have to do with many ‘homeless’ actually suffering from mental illnesses that manifests for various reasons in homelessness. Once upon a time they would have been institutionalised.

  20. ghostrider888 20

    Supermoon , again. 😀

  21. Morrissey 21

    “Almost unprecedented slobbering”
    Irish parliamentarian speaks out against fawning treatment of war criminal

    http://xrepublic.tv/node/3893

    Ms Daly, MP for Dublin North, hit out at the “almost unprecedented slobbering” over the Obama family’s visit. “It’s really hard to know which is worst, whether it’s the outpourings of the Obamas themselves or the sycophantic falling over them by sections of the media and the political establishment,” she said. “We’ve had separate and special news bulletins by the State broadcaster to tell us what Michelle Obama and her daughters had for lunch in Dublin, but very little questioning of the fact that she was having lunch with Mr Tax Exile himself,” she said in reference to U2’s Bono.

    She described Mr Obama as a “war criminal”, having “just announced his decision to supply arms to the Syrian opposition, including the jihadists, fuelling the destabilisation of that region, continuing to undermine secularism and knock back conditions for women”.

    Ms Daly said: “This is the man who is in essence stalling the Geneva peace talks by trying to broker enhanced leverage for the Syrian opposition by giving them arms – and to hell with the thousands more who’ll lose their lives, or the tens of thousands who will be displaced. This is the man who has facilitated a 200 per cent increase in the use of drones which have killed thousands of people, including hundreds of children.” […]

    http://xrepublic.tv/node/3893

    • Colonial Viper 21.1

      Shit she’s definitely on the GCHQ monitoring list now.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/22/gchq-spying-catastrophe-german-politicans

      • ghostrider888 21.1.1

        the GCHQ have been spying on eurozone governenment and private corporations.

        In a related thread 😉 , St Johns are continuing to bear the increasing “brunt of an ageing population”, coupled with “increases in minor incident calls” (yes Pop. , including for mental illness, and sheltered villages are much more protective) ; the stress is being piled on the organization, who are losing $15M a year.

        These attacks on the elderly in Auckland has the police “very concerned about the escalation of violence”- Malthus.

    • Bill 21.2

      NZ Parliamentarians should take a long hard look at that link.

      I just saw an exchange between two politicians that contained actual information and that wasn’t sliced and diced by bullshit ‘points of order’…I saw an absolute absence of glib ‘one liners’…and I saw speakers allowed to offer their opinion and ask/answer questions without any childish braying from any opposite benches.

      Add to that, a politician calling a spade a spade, well…when was the last time I had the pleasure?

  22. Pascal's bookie 22

    Questions are being asked about the advice the government received on the $2.50 offer price and share allocations, considering the drop in Mighty River’s share price and the relatively low target prices in broking firm research reports released on Wednesday – at the end of a research blackout. (Mighty River [NZX:MRP] closed Friday at $2.20).

    Market sources suggest the government – on Treasury’s advice – may have over-egged the price based on the possibility of strong international demand which has not materialised.

    A senior broking firm source asks: “How does it follow that the Treasury, which had insight and banned the research from public consumption, priced the shares above where the analysts were saying?

    “It’s now trading at a level that the local institutions were saying was probably where the good demand was at….

    …Questions over the offer price come as documents released to NBR by the Treasury reveal the direct hand cabinet ministers played in setting the price – with one cabinet paper suggesting Prime Minister John Key and cabinet ministers Bill English, Steven Joyce and Tony Ryall all be physically present in the “bookbuild room” in Wellington when key decisions were to be made on May 8.

    State-owned Enterprises Minister Mr Ryall’s press secretary Jackie Maher confirms the ministers were present during the “appropriate parts of the bookbuild process” and Mr Key was consulted by phone.

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/questions-surround-mrp-float-price-ck-141888

    • Draco T Bastard 22.1

      $1.7b raised @ $2.50 = 680m shares. If the shares had been sold at $2.20 it would have raised slightly less than $1.5b

      At what point, if there was such a point, would the government not have sold?

      More importantly though, do NZers in general feel that they got a good price for the sale?

  23. ghostrider888 23

    meanwhile, farmers request “armies of volunteers” to help clear snow-trapped stock in the Maniopoto and Millers Flat areas. sigh.

    • weka 23.1

      I thought that’s what woofers are for 😉 (‘cept you have to be organic-ish).

    • chris73 23.2

      I’d tell them to plant some shelter belts

      • Draco T Bastard 23.2.1

        I’d just tell them to fuck off. It’s their problem that they can’t plan for perfectly reasonable expectations such as inclement weather.

  24. weka 24

    Ghostrider888 mentioned this in another thread. Slingshot are offering a new free Global Mode service for their customers, supposedly for international visitors staying with them, but it really looks like it’s giving NZers access to international content that was previously blocked.

    Anyone tried it?

    http://www.slingshot.co.nz/products/global-mode/support/

  25. Poission 25

    BREAKING NEWS

    Snowden is on a plane to Moscow.

    http://www.scmp.com/

    US are powerless to stop him having recently lost Maxwell Smart.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-15/accused-u-s-spy-s-tools-get-a-laugh-from-russians.html

  26. Colonial Viper 26

    Holy Frak: HK Govt allows Snowden to leave for Moscow

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  • Five months too long for homeless to wait
    New figures revealing homeless people registered with Work and Income are waiting an average of 155 days to be housed shows the Government is totally overwhelmed by the housing crisis, Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni says. “What’s worse is ...
    12 hours ago
  • Minister in cloud cuckoo land
    Hekia Parata needs a very big reality check if she truly believes every parent has the choice of sending their child to a private school, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. Questioned in the House today about plans to pump ...
    14 hours ago
  • Convention centre failure means years of uncertainty for CBD
    The failure of Gerry Brownlee’s planned convention centre deal leaves Christchurch facing uncertainty about when activity will be restored to the CBD, says Labour’s Canterbury spokesperson Megan Woods. “As one of the CBD’s major anchor projects, the convention centre complex ...
    14 hours ago
  • PCE proves water quality still deteriorating
    The PCE State of the Environment Report shows that river water quality is continuing to get worse across large parts of New Zealand, says Labour’s Environment and Water spokesperson David Parker. “Water quality has deteriorated in Canterbury, Central Otago, Auckland, ...
    16 hours ago
  • Families with new babies victims of today’s veto
    Families with new babies are the victims of an historical “first” for the New Zealand Parliament today. “For the first time ever, a Bill will have a third reading debate and no vote will be taken at the end because ...
    20 hours ago
  • Crime on the rise…again!
    The Police Minister’s contention that Police have enough resources to meet the expectations of New Zealand communities is not reflected in the Police’s own statistics, says Labour’s Police spokesperson Stuart Nash.  “Yet again, reported burglaries have increased in every region ...
    22 hours ago
  • Private schools beneficiaries of extra cash
    Plans to give more taxpayer money to private schools at a time when state schools are struggling to make ends meet says everything about the National Government’s twisted priorities, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Not only did this year’s ...
    2 days ago
  • Inequality getting worse under National
    Inequality is getting worse under National with almost 60 per cent of the wealth in this country concentrated in the hands of the top 10 per cent according to Statistics NZ figures released today, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. ...
    2 days ago
  • Government freezes elderly out of insulation subsidy
    Government cuts to the Warm Up New Zealand insulation subsidy means it will now only be available for rental properties and could leave many elderly homeowners cold this winter, Opposition Leader Andrew Little says. “In this year’s Budget the Government ...
    2 days ago
  • Shewan report delivers rebuke to National
    John Shewan’s report into foreign trusts is a rebuke to John Key and the National Party who have protected an industry that has damaged New Zealand’s reputation, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Three years ago the Inland Revenue Department ...
    3 days ago
  • Auckland Airport rail analysis must be made public
    The Government should publicly release its detailed analysis of rail to Auckland Airport before it closes off options, so the public can have an informed debate, says Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford. The Transport Agency today said it is ...
    3 days ago
  • Minister approved OIO consent despite death and investigations
    Louise Upston must say if she knew Intueri was being prosecuted for the death of a student and under a funding investigation when she approved its overseas investment consent to buy another education provider, says Labour’s Land Information and Associate ...
    4 days ago
  • Brexit vote costs NZ effective EU voice
    Despite being extremely close the result of the referendum in Britain reflects the majority voice, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “While we respect the decision to leave the EU, it goes without saying the move will usher in ...
    5 days ago
  • Pasifika Education Centre doomed
    The Pasifika Education Centre appears doomed to close down this December, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio  “In a written question I asked the Minister whether he would put a bid in for more money. His answer ...
    6 days ago
  • Onetai Station review a shameful whitewash
    A report released today on the Overseas Investment Office’s (OIO) good character test is a whitewash that does nothing to improve New Zealand’s overseas investment regime, says Labour’s Land Information spokesperson David Cunliffe. “The review of the good character test ...
    6 days ago
  • We need a national strategy to end homelessness now
    Long before I entered Parliament, housing and homelessness were issues dear to my heart. I know from personal experience just how hard it is to find an affordable home in Auckland. In my maiden speech, I talked about how when ...
    GreensBy Marama Davidson
    6 days ago
  • Capital feels a chill economic wind
      Wellington is on the cusp of recession with a sharp fall in economic confidence in the latest Westpac McDermott Miller confidence survey, says Labour’s Regional Development spokesperson David Clark.  “Economic confidence amongst Wellingtonians has dropped 12% in the past ...
    6 days ago
  • Dive school rort took six years to dredge up
    News that yet another private training establishment (PTE) has rorted the Government’s tertiary funding system since 2009 shows that Steven Joyce has no control of the sector, says Labour’s Associate Education (Tertiary) spokesperson David Cunliffe. “Like Agribusiness Training and Taratahi, ...
    7 days ago
  • National’s housing crisis hitting renters hard
    National’s ongoing housing crisis is causing massive rental increases, with Auckland renters being hit the hardest, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    7 days ago
  • A Day with the PSA
    This week, along with Labour MP Kris Faafoi, I accepted an invitation to spend a day working alongside the good folk at the Public Service Association in Wellington. As the Workplace Relations and Safety spokesperson for the Greens, I was ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    7 days ago
  • A Day with the PSA
    This week, along with Labour MP Kris Faafoi, I accepted an invitation to spend a day working alongside the good folk at the Public Service Association in Wellington. As the Workplace Relations and Safety spokesperson for the Greens, I was ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    7 days ago
  • Government holds Northland back
    New information shows Northland remains the most economically depressed region in New Zealand, says Labour’s Regional Development spokesperson David Clark. “The latest Westpac McDermott Miller regional survey found that more Northlanders believe their local economy will deteriorate this year than ...
    7 days ago
  • Rebstock report into MFAT leaks a disgrace
    An Ombudsman’s report on the Paul Rebstock investigation into MFAT leaks shows the two diplomats at the centre of the case were treated disgracefully, says Labour’s State Services spokesperson Kris Faafoi.  “The Ombudsman says one of the diplomats Derek Leask ...
    7 days ago
  • More families forced to turn to food banks for meals
    Increasing numbers of families are having to go to food banks just to put a meal on the table, according to a new report that should shame the Government into action, says Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni. ...
    7 days ago
  • We have a housing emergency in New Zealand
    Auckland, New Zealand, where house prices have risen 20 percent in the last year alone We have a housing emergency in New Zealand.  Like many people we are ashamed and angry that in a wealthy country like ours, we have ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    1 week ago
  • We have a housing emergency in New Zealand
    Auckland, New Zealand, where house prices have risen 20 percent in the last year alone We have a housing emergency in New Zealand.  Like many people we are ashamed and angry that in a wealthy country like ours, we have ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    1 week ago
  • Aussie reforms signal trouble ahead for school funding plan
    Plans by the Government to return to bulk funding are likely to see increased class sizes and schools most in need missing out on much-needed resources, Labour’s Acting Education spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The signaled return to bulk funding is ...
    1 week ago
  • Toxic Sites – the down low on the go slow
    In  2011, I negotiated an agreement with the National Government to advance work on cleaning up contaminated sites across the country. This included establishing a National Register of the ten worst sites where the creators of the problem could not ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Aucklanders face new motorway tax of up to $2500 a year
    The Government wants to tax Aucklanders thousands of dollars a year just to use the motorway network, says Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Officials estimate the average city commute is 11.8km. This means for the average Aucklander commuting five ...
    1 week ago
  • 15 corrupt bank managers identified in student fraud
    New information show 15 bank managers in India have been identified by Immigration New Zealand as presenting fraudulent documents on behalf of foreign students studying here, Labour’s Immigration spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “Documents obtained by Labour under the Official Information ...
    1 week ago
  • National leaves Kiwi savers the most vulnerable in OECD
    News last week that Israel’s Finance Minister will insure savers’ bank deposits means New Zealand will be left as the only country in the OECD that has no deposit insurance to protect savers’ funds should a bank fail. Most Kiwis ...
    GreensBy James Shaw
    1 week ago
  • Comprehensive plan for future of work needed
    A Massey University study showing many New Zealanders are unaware of the increasing role of automation in their workplace, highlights the need for a comprehensive plan for the future of work, says Grant Robertson, Chair of Labour’s Future of Work ...
    1 week ago
  • Another National Government failure: 90 day work trials
    On Friday last week, the Treasury released a report by MOTU economic consultants into the effectiveness of the controversial 90-day work trial legislation. The report found that there was “no evidence that the policy affected the number of hires by ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    1 week ago
  • Iraq mission extension case not made
    The Prime Minister has not made the case for extending the Iraq deployment another 18 months nor the expansion of their mission, says Opposition Leader Andrew Little.  “Labour originally opposed the deployment because the Iraqi Army’s track record was poor, ...
    1 week ago
  • Denial is a long river
    William Rolleston from Federated Farmers made the absurd claim on RNZ on Saturday that “we actually have very clean rivers”. This statement doesn’t represent the many farmers who know water quality is in big trouble and are working to clean ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Denial is a long river
    William Rolleston from Federated Farmers made the absurd claim on RNZ on Saturday that “we actually have very clean rivers”. This statement doesn’t represent the many farmers who know water quality is in big trouble and are working to clean ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Melanoma deaths could be avoided by an early access scheme
      The tragic death of Dunedin’s Graeme Dore from advanced Melanoma underlines the cruelty of this Government in promising a treatment but delaying for months, says Labour’s Health Spokesperson Annette King.  “Graeme was diagnosed with Melanoma last year. He used ...
    1 week ago
  • Assessing the Defence White Paper
    The Government’s recently released Defence White Paper has raised questions again about New Zealand’s defence priorities, and in particular the level and nature of public funding on defensive capabilities. The Green Party has a longstanding belief that priority must be ...
    GreensBy Kennedy Graham
    1 week ago
  • Kiwis’ confidence drops again: Economy needs a boost
    Westpac’s consumer confidence survey has fallen for the seventh time in nine quarters, with middle income households ‘increasingly worried about where the economy is heading over the next few years’, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “This survey is a ...
    1 week ago
  • Relocation grant simply kicks can down the road
    The response by state house tenants and social agencies to the Government’s rushed plan to shift families out of Auckland tells us what we already knew – this is no answer to the chronic housing shortage, Opposition Leader Andrew Little ...
    1 week ago
  • Peace hīkoi to Parihaka
    On Friday a Green crew walked with the peace hīkoi from Ōkato to Parihaka. Some of us were from Parliament and some were party members from Taranaki and further afield. It was a cloudy but gentle day and at one ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Children’s Commissioner right to worry about CYF transition
    The Government must listen to the Children’s Commissioner’s concerns that young people under CYF care could be ‘negatively impacted’ as the new agency’s reforms become reality, says Labour’s Children’s spokesperson Jacinda Ardern. “Dr Russell Wills has used the second annual ...
    1 week ago
  • Bill English exaggerates PPL costs to justify veto
    The Finance Minister has used trumped-up costings to justify a financial veto against parents having 26 weeks paid parental leave, says Labour MP Sue Moroney. “Bill English’s assertion on RNZ yesterday that the measure would cost an extra $280 million ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government must refund overcharged motorists
    Labour is calling on the Government to refund motor registration fees to three-quarters of a million Kiwi motorists whose vehicles were wrongly classified under National’s shambolic ACC motor vehicle risk rating system, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Sue Moroney says.“Minister Kaye’s ridiculous ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 90-day work trials an unfair failure which must change
    A new Treasury report shows the Government’s 90-day trials haven’t helped businesses and are inherently unfair, Labour’s Workplace Relations spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “The Motu report found that 90-day trial periods had no impact on overall employment and did not ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Massey East houses a start but Nick Smith should think bigger
    The Massey East 196-home development is a start but the Government must think bigger if it is to end the housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “It is great the Government is finally realising it needs to build ...
    2 weeks ago
  • More changes needed to ensure fewer cases like Teina Pora’s
    Teina Pora spent 21 years behind bars for a crime he didn’t commit, shafted by a Police investigation that prioritised an investigator’s hunch over the pursuit of credible evidence. Yesterday’s announcement that the government is to pay him $2.5m in ...
    GreensBy David Clendon
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand Labour sends condolences to UK
    The New Zealand Labour Party is sickened and saddened by the murder of British Labour MP Jo Cox, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “Ms Cox was killed in cold blood while simply doing her job as a constituent MP. She ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Shameful refugee quota increase still leaves NZ at the bottom of the list
    Minister for Immigration Michael Woodhouse announced this week that the government will put off increasing the refugee quota by 1000 places until 2018.  It’s a shameful decision that undermines the Government’s claim that it takes its international humanitarian obligations seriously, ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    2 weeks ago
  • Paula Bennett as a victim hard to swallow
    The National Party spin machine has gone into overdrive to try and present Paula Bennett as the victim in the Te Puea Marae smear saga, says Labour Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Bill English in Parliament today tried valiantly to paint ...
    2 weeks ago

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