oh my goodness, as i clutch my pearls, cunliffe has been caught using a cell phone in his car, front page news, end of the world, obviously the police to media hotline is redhot!
Yep why investigate possible corruption when they can investigate a talking on the cellphone minor infringement. This story is sourced from Slater as is the picture of the dating site. You would have to wonder at how he “stumbled” on it and I wonder who put it up.
Meanwhile there was a significant development in the Donghua Liu story and questions of when Woodhouse met him to discuss immigration policy and the relationship with the timing of his donation to the National Party.
But of course talking on a cellphone is more serious …
* It says a motorist made the complaint and the complaint said Cunliffe was driving ‘erratically’ which Cunliffe has denied.
Because of the nature of the complaint, I am curious to know WHO the complainant was. Was it a set up ? Was this complainant deliberately following Cunliffe? Was he or one of the accomplices themselves instigate the whole episode? How come the media came to know about this incident promptly? Did the police leak the information or was it the minister of police? Was this to distract the news away from the various messes that the government is in? Is this all part of dirty politics? Something is fishy here.
* The report also strangely said this:
“he admitted he had “made a cellphone call or two” in hands-free mode and had been given an infringement notice. He was fined $80 by a police officer, NZME reported”
If it was in ‘hands-free mode’ as the report says, was that illegal?
It definitely is black-ops work.
Cunliffe certainly didn’t call the media!
Had the person following being an ordinary Joe and called Police, because of concerns about his driving, then the matter should be a private matter between Cunliffe and the Police.
If the person is a Nat lackie who followed Cunliife from Parliament in his hire car (he is an Auckland MP) and called the Police then that person would be the source for the Media. Why then did the Police confirm? Is that their normal procedure? No.
This news story required cooperation from both the snitch/lackie and the police.
Dirty Politics continues.
Fuck the Stasi, the American driven FVEY apparatus turned on each of us is four or five orders of magnitude more powerful than what the Stasi could ever manage.
I never nark or inform on anyone for that very reason.
You clearly don’t Facebook, email, call or txt your friends and family then.
I never nark or inform on anyone for that very reason.
So, what you’re saying is that if you see a crime or an injustice happening you’re not going to do anything about it? That would probably explain your support of Key and his lies.
You already see it in many areas of the world – including western ones. People seeking justice outside of the official system when they know or feel that the official system has no interest in delivering justice.
Crimes against life or property are a different matter, but I will not report people for arbitrary offences such as exceeding drink driving limits, speeding, talking on their cellphone, any of that stuff. Its just divisive left wing shit that eventually corrodes a country and you end up like East Germany above.
And please stop saying I support Key.
When Little takes power, you may be able to say to most of the other dipshits on Kiwiblog et al that you didn’t see them complaining when Key was doing it, but you won’t be able to say that about me.
Crimes against life or property are a different matter, but I will not report peopel for arbitrary offence ssuch as exceeding drink driving limits, sopeeding, talking on their cellphone. any of that shit.
You managed to contradict yourself in the same sentence. The reason why we have speed and drink drive limits and rules against driving while using the cell phone is because it kills people and often not the person doing the really stupid thing. In other words, these things are crimes against life.
In fact, as it stands I’d say that there’s enough evidence to say that capitalism itself is a crime against life as it continues to destroy the environment in its drive for profit but I’m sure that we will never see you call for capitalism to be abolished because of that crime.
No it does not. Take the drink driving limit. A person can exceed that limit and drive home every night of their life and never hit or kill or maim anyone. Its an arbitrary amount that has no real relationship to the committing of an offence.
If a person crashes into someone and kills or maims them, and they have been drinking, and the drinking is proved to be an influence, then charge them and make sure the sentence is punitive enough to discourage them and others from taking the risk.
You do not make criminals out of innocent people. Set up roadblocks and carry out suspicionless searches. That is another characteristic of left wing tyranny. It begins small and gets bigger. As in East Germany under the Stasi.
Don’t any of you Leftists know anything of history?
What Bullshit. Dirty Politics is an organised programme of media dirt designed to attack Labour and distract from National Government incompetence and misdeeds at key junctures.
Asked whether he was driving dangerously, Mr Cunliffe said: “I always indicate if I think I am approximate to traffic. I may have changed lanes, but I do not believe I was driving erratically at any point.”
Fuck that shit! You should always indicate before you change lanes whether you think anyone else in nearby or not. Cunliffe sounds like someone trying to excuse pointing a gun at a crowd by claiming he didn’t think it was loaded.
I’m saying this as someone who thought that Cunliffe had better ideas than any other leader in Labour in decades. Little may turn out to be a more effective leader due to less caucus hostility, but I’m yet to be impressed (though still early days).
Also; Clemgeopin, the quote in the ODT (haven’t looked at Stuff yet) is:
Mr Cunliffe said the phone was on “hands-free” mode and he “didn’t realise it was an offence”, though he clarified that he was holding the phone with one hand. He was fined $80 by a police officer.
Even with a genuine legal hands-free set-up; research demonstrates that phone calls are a distraction to driving competence. Simply using the loudspeaker mode on a normal cellphone would surely be even worse. Not quite as idiotic as txtng while driving though.
Is the timing of media release suspicious? Hell yes. Should that excuse an MP ignoring the law for personal convenience? Fuck no!
I’m pretty sure that any comment I might make linking MPs with indecent assaults on children would be breaking name suppression, and don’t want to put TS in that position.
I am perhaps a bit sensitive when it comes to road safety. But I imagine many who have experience with those who have suffered vehicular death or injury feel similarly.
The casualty rate for motor vehicles is higher than all forms of assault (including both your example of; child-assault, and mine of; firearms). In 2010 (most recent year easy to access through Statistics NZ) this was 8.6/ 100000 vs 1.2/100000 (vehicular injury rate at 321/100000). The only good news is that the road toll in 2013 was half what it was in 2000.
I suppose it does seem a lot of drama about an $80 ticket. Though if I had my way, driving while phoning would be automatic loss of license (once proven in court, and possibly just a 3month suspension on first offense). I really don’t have a sense of humour about that shit.
I entirely agree with you. If Cunliffe broke the law, he should be ticketed and pay the fine. No issue about that. He should know better.
My issue is about the aspects I have mentioned connected with the news reports in our media, such has HOW and WHY and by WHOM did this leak take place and became public knowledge. Is it legal and fair to do so? Was the police or the minister or the PM involved in this leak of privacy? Have no other MPs ever broken a traffic rule and fined? If any do exist, have all those cases too been exposed in the media?
The stuff link I posted is still as it was in the morning I think. I have now read your ODT link.
I wish our MSM, the journalists, the political commentators are fairer, show more integrity and professionalism and delve deep into HEAPS of other important issues such as the truth and cost behind the Iraq armed deployment, electronic surveillance of all, the Lu donation truth, the bio security inefficiency, the dirty politics, black ops operations, the truth about the Charter schools, the $50,000/day or so spent on a social Welfare Ministry’s CEO visit somewhere, the 43K review cost we have to pay for Brownlee jumping over the security gate without being charged etc just as a few examples
They don’t seem to hold the National Party Ministers and their MPs to the same degree of minute scrutiny as they do for Labour. Something is just not right.
I’ve looked at question time for yesterday, and can’t find it, phil.
There was one mention of the average wage in regards to benefit levels, and joyce made a passing reference to the starting out wage, but I can’t find anything close to what you mentioned.
Hang on, so now I need to find evidence to support an assertion that you can’t show ever existed?
Whatever you “heard”, it wasn’t where you claim it was said. So at best you’re mistaken about where it was said, at worst you made it up, and the middle ground is that you simply heard wrong.
And you get pissy when people like wayne and northshoredoc just plain ignore you most of the time…
i am possibly mistaken about where i heard it..(i spend my days in a sea of information..)
..but i definitely heard it..
..and if that isn’t good enough for you..
..that’s tough-bikkies..eh..?
..and yep..! northshoredoc just won’t answer about the freebies he gets from big-pharma..(‘conferences’ in exotic-locales being just one..eh doc..?..)
..and ‘wayne’ has been nowhere near general debate since i asked him about the war-crimes committed by nz soldiers (handing prisoners over to be tortured) while he was minister of defence..
..(war-crimes he initially denied..then he just ran to his fox-hole..
..where he has remained ever since..)
i wd like to ask him those questions again..and hopefully get a straight answer from him..
Seems hard to believe that an extra 200,000 people are ‘on or near’ the min wage in just a year. Suppose it depends on far ‘near’ is from the minimum wage.
Phil, after a lot of reading, your point number 2 does not appear in the transcripts of Parliament for this past week, so if you do happen to remember who/when it was said, just let us know and perhaps we can search the videos for it but I’m not going to do that without a bit more detail.
Seeing as you eventually have admitted you may have misheard or mistakenly assigned the source to question time, why all the animosity? No one was having a go at you, (apart from draco of course but isn’t that what you two do for fun ?)
Asking for more details is something you do all time, so maybe….
..and ‘wayne’ has been nowhere near general debate since i asked him about the war-crimes committed by nz soldiers (handing prisoners over to be tortured) while he was minister of defence..
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Wayne’s been commenting regularly, just not to you. In fact, I definitely remember correcting you on that claim before, I just can’t remember where. Oh, I know, rather than expecting you to do my work for me, I’ll do the search myself: oh look, it was a week and a half ago. So now I have reason to doubt your memory of what was said on any particular topic, rather than just where it was said.
The fact that you are quite probably delusional is most likely the reason you will not get what you want from folk like wayne or northshoredoc – no matter what they say, even if they are in the right you will merely “hear” what you have already decided to hear and go off on a rabid, unintelligible tangent.
How long have you been carrying this torch? Because I’ve got some bad news for you, phil: wayne seems to have commented on an open mike once, in late 2013. And you missed your opportunity to righteously challenge him – for shame.
That single comment is what stands between you and your “back” being complete bullshit.
Yes that’s right Phil I’m currently sunning myself in Jamaica – all expenses paid by multinational pharmaceutical companies all in return for changing all my patients onto their drugs once I return to NZ.
They are flying me back via Mars where their hypnotoad overlords will be further indoctrinating me.
….and not playing this game anymore all your questions have been answered …in all honestly it’s probably more useful trying to have an online conversation with one of your deceased canines than trying to engage with yourself….eh ?
“..and a slur/slag around my recently deceased 16 yr old dog..?
..that i am still seriously grieving over..?”
Perhaps you should’ve had the dear old thing stuffed and mounted next to your computer ….. then you could commune with it rather than typing your ellipsis loaded diatribes……….eh ?
Oh dear, what’s with all the ellipsoidal abuse……….eh ?
I thought you didn’t dislike anyone…….eh ?
…. and here’s me thinking that all that pot was supposed to mellow you out…eh ?
….hopefully I never have to have your mug in front of me…if your incoherent tosh on this site is anything to go by……your gobbledegook in person must be completely intelligible dribble……eh.
Poor old pooch having to put up with a human like you, wouldn’t surprise me if the poor old dear gave up the ghost after listening to your rambling on another pot fuelled afternoon………….eh ?
It claims 54,000 are on the minimum wage. However, the figure quoted in the previous year’s report was 80K, so they may have changed the recording mechanism. Also, firms are advised to pay marginally more than the minimum so that their workers are less likely to get assistance from MBIE if they need it (they are required to help minimum wage workers, but not necessarily minimum +10c per hour workers).
The effect of raising the minimum also sweeps up groups of workers who used to be above minimum, but who have not kept pace due to not getting annual rises. So that 54,000 probably rose in 2013/14.
However, I can’t see how even the 80,000 figure quoted in 2012 could become 160,000 a couple of years later.
Having said that, Phil’s point remains; under National more workers are on the bare minimum. Not only that, many are on 90 day fire at will contracts, zero hour arrangements and the like, so certainty of employment has also diminished.
“We would love to see wages drop.” John Key, 2008.
MBIE said 54k in 2013 and the previous year (2012) they said 80k. I was quoting MBIE, not the Nats.
Which I wrote as: “It claims 54,000 are on the minimum wage. However, the figure quoted in the previous year’s report was 80K, so they may have changed the recording mechanism.”
I think it’s entirely likely that it was 40k when the Tories took over and that it’s got worse since then.
I almost forgot in the excitement, that John Key is sending our troops into an illegal war in Iraq without UN or Security Council approval.
As our assistance has been requested the UN doesn’t come into it. Of course, the fact that the government was talking about going before the request came does indicate that we would have gone with or without the Iraqi request.
Our assistance was requested by the Shia side of the sectarian Parliament, and no official paperwork drawn up around it. It’s very minimal cover for our intervention in a civil war.
I got the distinct impression that the request from Iraq was done at the behest of the USA to give a cover for their invasion that they weren’t going to get any other way.
Pretty much – I think your conclusion makes sense. And I think the USA already checked in with John Key to ensure that our answer would indeed be “yes.”
The rich praise the rich.
Importing massive amounts of sweatshop produce, building big boxes that close down other retail and destroy town centres, create lousy low paid work.
Yes Tindall really did make life better for thousands of NZers.
The shareholders of the Warehoise.
It’s like the Walmart family being awarded in the US
Yup and team tindall have been acquiring other niche kiwi etailers etc to ensure the empire of crap continues to prosper. The many brands one owner strategy you see in logistics, booze, dairy products etc.
I only shop at red shed when I don’t expect my purchase to be well made or have longevity but hey that’s the world we live in….never mind the quality feel the width.
Posted the link to Auckland Conversations last week on the topic of housing, and the introduction to the event was full of praise for Stephen Tindall (who attended) and the Warehouse. (Youth & Community Economic Development – David Turner)
I haven’t heard Len Brown speak in public for a while, and was not impressed. Very sycophantic to business overall, and Tindall and the Warehouse specifically on this occasion. I had to only listen with moderate attention to this lovefest, and so could look at these guys and ponder whether their egos are so fragile they must constantly puff each other up at every opportunity: “Like me, like me, – I like you – d’ya like me…?”
The Warehouse has some form of school to work programme, called “Red Shirts in Schools”. If you are interested in seeing the disaster that can be if not managed properly – go and have a look at some the Academy schools in the US. Particularly in areas that are struggling.
The feature speaker, David Turner was – by contrast – much more interesting to listen to.
He spoke of the success of the Swiss system which provides long-term and extensive work business relationships to students, and the experience and effort that goes into ensuring apprenticeships and students have a good fit. This includes a vast resource of independent career counselors and a “three strikes and your in” understanding. That is, businesses are aware that some students who have had no prior experience in industry will require three placements before they have the skills and knowledge to be ready to participate.
He also said that businesses meet regularly to discuss the progress of their “apprenticeships” and keep up with the progress of students that have moved on to other placements. While there is some degree of financial strategy, they recognise they are contributing to the common good. When was the last time we heard that phrase in NZ in the same sentence as business?
He also suggested that he believed that fundamentally business owners in Switzerland got involved in these programmes because of their humanity.
And for the RWNJ reading this, the word is not synonymous with public relations.
Without being undiplomatic, he stated that the business relationships in Australia – where he is from – is not set up to do this kind of support, and until it is, it is likely that repeats of past exploitation of young people would happen. He said he was unqualified to comment on NZ, but if business networks were similar it would have to undergo a big change.
Almost worth listening to Len Brown’s valentine at the beginning – to hear the words business, humanity and common good linked together.
(Unfortunately, Len Brown left after his introduction – so missed an opportunity for a bit of education himself.)
followed by Money laundering from the National party donations,
Greens actually spent more money on the election than Labour (again Labour not listening on the moral issues here so missing out on votes and donations),
GCSB’s obsession with “network security” (which, thanks to Snowden, we now know means “making sure people don’t plug the backdoors we use”) is killing research and driving tech companies out of the country.
SIS’s slow vetting procedures appear to have interfered with the establishment of IGIS’s office and their recruitment of staff. Vetting is their core function, but apparently it still takes months.
IGIS currently has an own-motion inquiry into the SIS underway “which arose from the regular inspection of intelligence warrants [and] is the first Inspector-General inquiry into the “propriety” of particular activities of an intelligence and security agency”. Which sounds as if SIS are abusing their powers. Unfortunately, as its “operational”, all the details are classified, and we’ll only be getting a summary at the end of it. Its unclear whether the victims of any SIS impropriety will be informed of the violation of their rights so they may take legal action against the spies.
Because they’d only been in the role for seven weeks, the IGIS can not certify that GCSB and SIS are complying with their legislation.
So, it turns out that Sky City’s surprise “cost overrun” on their crony-deal convention centre was their plan all along, and that the government knew about it from the beginning:
Here is an article on a crucial aspect of the Iraq conflict that is not getting discussed but is most certainly going to play an ever increasing role in the (re)establishment of a stable Iraq nation.
Iran has always had a hands on influence in many parts of Iraq but appears to be strengthening its presence. As there is little information on this area of the political situation in Iraq, we have no way to know the veracity of the claims, but that can be said of most aspects of this conflict. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-irans-military-chiefs-operate-in-iraq-2015-2
Addendum:
“Here is an article on a crucial aspect of the Iraq conflict that is not getting discussed..”
I should have said …discussed in the mainstream public arena and the MSM news services…
..i have been offered (much-needed) ‘dirty money’..
..the facts of the matter are that i have a hellish job keeping up with the costs etc. of running whoar..+ life..on the dole..
..(i actually went totally ‘dark’ on tues…pre-paid electricity ran out sooner than expected..and no money to top it up..that was an interesting 24hrs….)
..and i have received an offer to host some paid-content..for an online gambling casino…
..what to do..?..
..while loathing how the gambling-industry exploits the weakest..
..i am not actually opposed to people having the right to throw their money away in whatever stupid way they choose…
hee hee classic dilemma mr ure… whatcha gonna do? Firstly, don’t worry about electricity it is entirely over-rated unless you have a freezer full of food. I know a few who stay off the grid and it works fine…. biggest problem likely to be punching out the daily squawk online.
so, to be or not to be – whether tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or to take arms against a sea of struggles…..
you know what you are going to do – you are just temporarily weakened by the devil of temptation.
don’t do it!…its the beginning of the end…and you will lose credibility…the great thing about this site is that it is classy and clean ….has no tacky or amoral or immoral ads
Agree with trp below. It’s well and good to maintain principles and decency – all for it – but you’ve got to live Phil. The constant worry about having no money (been there) means you can’t be much help to anybody let alone yourself. Go for it.
Well, that explains why you didn’t comment on my post on Tuesday, Phil!
For my tuppenceworth, I think you should put the ads up. I don’t see it as a moral compromise or lowering your site’s credibility. It’s just not that kind of website, it’s a news aggregator, not a forum for philosophical discussion. Unlike dope, casino’s are legal, though I wish the situation was reversed.
Use the money to get a regular power account (pre-pay is a total rip off) and maybe think about solar, if that’s possible where you live.
i’ll do that after i’ve got the pony all sorted out..eh..?..
..and i am well aware glo-bug pre-pay is a total gouge..
.the power company forced me onto it..against my will/protestations..
..(their reason..?..my payments were not always on the day..(tho’ i note my power had never been disconnected..the bills were paid..)
..this is one of the ways the poorest get fucked over…
..and here’s another one…!
..fucken animal control..and the fascist bitches (yes..!..i meant to say that..!..stick yer fucken p.c..!..) that drive around in those red vans..
a few months ago..they came to my house..having received a complaint that my dogs weren’t registered..
..my old dog had been registered..but it had expired..and the little one wasn’t..
..i pointed out that it wasn’t deliberate..more an outcome of poverty..
..(and i noted that the old-dog was on her death-legs..was nearly gone..(she died about three weeks later..)
..and this meant nothing..despite this fascist-bitch agreeing that yes..she was clearly near the end..
..so i went and borrowed the money to get both dogs registered..
..and then..here is the kicker..!
..as well as these two horror-shows talking to me in a way they would never address say..a gang-member..?
..(the true mark of the coward-bully..the careful selection of who they will fuck over..)
..i maintained politeness..(with great difficulty..)
..and then..two weeks later..hand-delivered to my letterbox..
..two tickets..back-dated..for $300 each..for having unregistered dogs…
..(a malicious afterthought..?..it was never mentioned to me..)
..i was unable to pay that $600 fine..
..so it has worked its’ way thru the system..
..and i have just been told it + the requisite penalties – will be taken from my benefit..
..(so that was over $1,000 ..that they screwed me for..seems fair..?..eh..?..).
..i see in the media that there will be an inquiry into animal-services auckland..and how they operate..after allegations of cruelty by their officers..
..i would like to give evidence to that inquiry..
..about what would seem to be their ‘normal-practices’..
..because if these pieces of human excrement did this to me..
..you can bet that is what they are doing to everyone,..
…sounds pretty bad alright!….and for many a dog or pet companion is crucial for emotional health when you are down and out ( the people who enforce these rules male or female have to be callous…no other person could do the job)
….maybe yu or others should keep a poverty diary somewhere on line….so people can see in detail what a hard struggle it is…even in New Zealand
I have some idea because i was brought up by a solo parent, who had a professional job, but it was still a struggle ….and i also have a very well educated professional friend who has a long term chronic health problem and is invalided in a state house which could be sold out from under him
….the day to day worry and grind of poverty and living on benefits should be chronicalled for all to see in dairy form…maybe 7 people each take a day of the week?
Things sound a tad grim sorry to hear Phil, however your a stoic chap and harvest
time is near, just remember to give the taxman his share and all will be fine. Take the money from whoever is trying to scam your morals.
I would rather dog owners were registered, I think its sucks they fine you on your own property. Caught in public would be inline with cars. You don’t get fined for having an unregistered car on your property only in public.
Maybe we could fund raise for you, say if you had a wash, a short back and sides, a shave and if you get a real job a hold it we could top up your pay.
Another Vital JB-SFC
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By Turd Ferguson | Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:46 am
I cannot emphasize strongly enough how critically important it is for you to listen to these weekly Ukraine discussions and last night’s episode was no different. Please make the time to give this a thorough listen.
Among the topics covered last evening:
– The inside details of the peace negotiations held last week in Minsk
– A thorough summary of the devastating UAF retreat from Debaltsevo
-The increasing possibility of a coup to depose Ukraine president Poroshenko (and it is this possibility and aftermath that has me most concerned right now)
-The ongoing demonization of Russia and Putin by the war parties of the west
” the gulf between Cabinet ministers and top executives”
I read this line and just about threw up…. a Minister occupies a wholly different role in society than a ceo, different responsibilities, different obligations, different purposes, different organisations, different people, different powers…….
doing the commentaries on q-time means i see the disconnect between how people are suffering..
..and how these fucken clowns spend their days point-scoring against each other..
..seemingly oblivious to the shit so many nz’ers are going thru..
..(and it is not just the fucken tories..!..it is also the useless arse-wipes in give-the-poorest-fuck-all!/no way will we legalise cannabis!..mine/drill/spying on nz’ers’is ok with us!..
Don’t agree with all his scientific positions – at the end he makes statements about climate change that are not founded in any studies – but the history he outlines about his employment with EPA, and his treatment is very interesting.
Also, he studied the likelihood of infection from endoscopes, and attempted to have the accepted sterilisation of the equipment improved, as current practices not only did not remove all infectious material, practitioners were not even following that.
He suggests that most ethical scientists left or were pushed out in the early 1990s.
Perhaps never before have science and private industry collaborated in search of material gains to the extent that they do now. Consumers are becoming unwitting, and in some cases unwilling, test subjects in experiments carried out by government officials working with private industry. The products they sell may change, but their objective stays the same, which is to make a killing without anyone finding out how many people they kill. To this end, government and industry manipulate science to promote nonexistent benefits and create the illusion of safety. On the other hand, scientists who publish valid data in the public interest are incresingly at risk of having their careers ended and reputations destroyed.”
The revolving door of corporate execs and government panels is as dangerous as it is extraordinary. Thanks for the tip, will see if the local library has it/can get it in.
Business don’t like science as it gets in the way of them doing whatever they want. Same can be said of some politicians who only do the bidding of business anyway.
Women are more likely to be religious and so vote more conservatively. Power, money, are harder to obtain for women. So of course conservatives pander to companies and individuals who like them want to stifle change. And hey who wants change. But everyone who loathes change also wants to chase profits and wealth where it enriches themselves, so its not about companies or theists being anti-science, its about hypocrisy, taking the bounty of science and using the wealth created to shout how loathsome science is. You see the history of conservativismis the history of hypocritical lying two faced anti freedom,anti american, anti anything that gets in their way. imho its stupidity but others would call it a opportunity to scare the begeezous out of their comfort fantasies.
Climate change,banking collapses, economics of oil peak, its all revenge on the stupid, and they deserve to have truth spoken to them.
But, into whose arms does this deal push Greece Gossy? Out of the EU, and towards Moscow? I also think the Germans may have just played the fubar play. Austerity is a loss loss solution – the ultimate degenerate play to support greed culture – it’s time as a economic solution appears to be limited – as it’s being exposed for what it is.
So it seems to be that muslims do not accept responsibility for jihadists, despite some/many suggesting that they should shoulder more of the responsibility because they share the same religion. And those that do suggest they are more responsible have been pilloried and even fired – evidence the crazy pastor down south http://www.anglicantaonga.org.nz/Features/Extra/Apology
On a few occasions on here last year it was strongly suggested, and accepted by many, that men should shoulder more of the responsibility for the actions of rapists because they share the same gender.
These two things don’t add up it seems. The cogs don’t mesh, the standards vary, the eyes refuse to see, the mind refuse to think ….
Cunliffe is also an example of this confused, mixed-up and wrong-headed thinking, when he apologised for being a man. If he was also a muslim would he have apologised for being a muslim?
So who is right? Both propositions cannot be right.
“On a few occasions on here last year it was strongly suggested, and accepted by many, that men should shoulder more of the responsibility for the actions of rapists because they share the same gender.”
That’s not how I would put it. I would say that men have a particular responsibility that women don’t because its men’s business (how men relate in the world). And I would say that women have been shouldering the burden way more than is ok because in the past men haven’t been taking their responsibilities seriously. So it’s more about evening up the load.
And by men, I mean men collectively. Obviously it varies hugely when it comes to individuals. But essentially we have rape culture, it’s not enough to say that that’s soley about men who rape, it’s about the things that promote rape, and of course men as a class have huge influence on that, including in ways that women don’t.
tl;dr, women are already doing the work, when are men going to step up.
hi weka,
to be blunt, your comments , to me, are reminiscent of the statement (forgive me i do not recall who said it) “all men are rapists” from the ’80s.
“women are already doing the work, when are men going to step up.”
who are raising these men who are doing the raping?
to be blunt, your comments , to me, are reminiscent of the statement (forgive me i do not recall who said it) “all men are rapists” from the ’80s.
Which means that you truly don’t understand what I meant 🙂
(the statement “all men are rapists” is by a fictional character in a novel by Marilyn French. In order to understand why the character said that, you really need to look at it in context. It’s not what you think it is).
“women are already doing the work, when are men going to step up.”
who are raising these men who are doing the raping?
Presumably their parents. Are you suggesting that men rape because of their upbringing?
My statement about women doing the work refers to the women that have been doing the anti-rape work for decades (eg Rape Crisis). Where are the men’s organisations doing this work?
hi weka,
perhaps you are right, i may have got the wrong end of the stick about your comment.
re the all men are rapists, i do recall that line being used (it may have been by a spokesperson from womens refuge) and getting repeated in the media, causing a stir, both because of the provocative nature of the comment and also how it was defended.
it was in a climate where peter ellis was able to be convicted in the chch civic creche case.
i am suggesting that men rape partly because of their upbringings, and i feel it is a lack of parents as opposed to a parent contributes to this.
(a male in the household showing respect to women).
to the best of my knowledge there are a few male groups (manline, court appointed anger management groups), all running on a tenuous shoestring budget. relying on goodwill of volunteers, much like rape crisis, i suspect.
i would also point to groups like scouts and sports teams where civics, self esteem, cooperation are encouraged in our boys/young men.
“So it seems to be that muslims do not accept responsibility for jihadists, despite some/many suggesting that they should shoulder more of the responsibility because they share the same religion.”
I think you are confusing responsibility and blame (which also explains your views in gender). I see Muslims being responsible when their communities work towards reducing fundamentalism. Men can do the same in reducing rape culture. That’s a different thing than Muslims being to blame for jihadists or men being to blame for individual rapists.
The bishop in your link appears to be blaming individuals for other individuals’ actions over which they have no control. He also appears judgemental (Jews should have learned lessons from the holocaust) and hypocritical (why aren’t individual Muslims doing more to prevent their fundamentalists). Hard to tell from such a short article though.
Cunliffe didn’t apologise for being a man. He apologised for the fact that domestic/sexual violence against women is overwhemingly done by men. And then he told men to wake up and man up and start doing the right things.
There is not contradiction between all these things. The bishop was blaming individuals for things outside of their control. Everyone else is saying x, y, z isn’t ok, let’s work collectively to change that.
Mike Hosking must be a wonderful chap. It says so at the “disclaimer” at the bottom of his applause for his hero Key.
” Mike’s insightfulness and knowledge makes him one of New Zealand’s most successful broadcasters.”
Mike Hosking is just another schoolyard loudmouth, it says more about the people that actually listen to his rantings/opinions then what comes out of his mouth.
He’s not credible and only has his presenter/commentator status because people higher up think he’ll attract viewers/listeners to their medium. More punters = more cash in advertising. I’d rather listen to commentators like Rod Oram / Dame Anne Salmond , at least they are credible, can back opinions with researched facts and are not in it for the show.
Mmm, seem to have my grumpy hat on today, again..
Just finding the media more and more disappointing these days and getting sick of pointing out inconsistencies / false truths to friends. Like asking people if they know the full “I’m ashamed to be a man” quote when they bring it up. Once they realise what he actually said in context, opinions change very quickly.
After more than a decade of testing and demonstrations, Australian company Carnegie Wave Energy has switched on a pilot project that has begun feeding wave-generated electricity into a local WA grid.
“This is the first array of wave power generators to be connected to an electricity grid in Australia and worldwide,” said Ivor Frischknecht, CEO of the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, in a statement. The Agency has provided $13 million of the $32 million project.
More renewable energy successfully connected to the grid. Will be interesting to see how this goes.
Not also that that project was only possible due to government support.
God created everything, including adam (this one, but that one too).
When adam got some ‘education’ and reasoning ‘power’, he became cleverer than God and stronger than God and killed him easily without bullets, just with his own powerful thoughts! Cool ye? God of course disappeared from adam’s life while adam was still alive.
But, (there is always a but! ask PG)
God did not really kick the bugger(strike out!) bucket at all. Having been rejected, He waited patiently for adam to die too, hoping to meet the poor soul once again someday sometime somewhere somehow.
Materialists, measurementalists and the acolytes of scientism have always been such a self righteous bunch, in my experience. Forever wanting to force their own beliefs on to others, looking down on those heathen who refuse to adopt the faith, insisting that their way of looking at the universe and all the rich phenomena within it is the one and only way, and declaring knowledge from all other sources and especially from prophets without PhDs false and misleading.
Wow, that makes me think that you lot have a heck of a lot in common with the fundamentalist Christians. You guys should get together and compare notes.
Would you prefer to build a house using measured strengths or just believing that a 4×2 is strong enough to hold up a skyscraper?
Once we have things measured then they’re no longer beliefs. That’s the point. And at that point if you don’t accept them then you’re being delusional.
I have no faith in PhDs. What I do is accept the facts that the research has shown. Creationism has nothing to back it, no research and no observable data. In fact, the observable data precludes Creationism and many other items of faith within religious doctrine.
and declaring knowledge from all other sources and especially from prophets without PhDs false and misleading.
What other sources of gaining quantifiable knowledge are available?
Once we have things measured then they’re no longer beliefs. That’s the point. And at that point if you don’t accept them then you’re being delusional.
Ahhhh, the delightful certainty of the measurementalist. (I made the term up myself, it’s actually an offshoot of the managerialism which has plagued western civilisation for the last 20 years).
So, according to your statement, once you have successfully measured something it is transmogrified and becomes sanctified in the faith as a known “fact”.
Such a fascinating belief system you have.
What other sources of gaining quantifiable knowledge are available?
You are treading close to heresy here! Do you dare imply that there are types of knowledge which cannot be quantified (measured)???
It is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful [as a babelfish] could have evolved purely by chance that some have chosen to see it as the final proof of the NON-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:
“I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.”
“But,” says Man, “the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don’t. QED”
“Oh dear,” says God, “I hadn’t thought of that,” and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
“Oh, that was easy,” says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
But, if he gets killed on a zebra crossing, it proves that God does not exist because zebra crossings are definitely meant to stop people dying on zebra crossings.
Well you need to take that up with draco – he said, “Easy. You point out that god was only ever an incorrect belief system that has now been replaced by actual research and facts.”
Take it up with me. The person making the extraordinary claim: that a god-creature exists in the form they assert (as opposed to the ones people from other countries propose), has to provide the evidence.
Actually, they don’t. unless they foist the performance upon children
When they demand the right to child victims, the crimes act provides the solution. Strangle the last priest with the entrails of the last homeopathist.
Fuck that. Why should someone from a different belief system have to satisfy the tenets of your belief system to be seen as valid.
What children should be taught, and what they will rarely be taught, is how to critically and creatively think about things beyond the realms of materialism and logic.
Strangle the last priest with the entrails of the last homeopathist.
Homeopath.
By the way, its science and technology which is losing credibility in the world right now, not homeopathy.
Just as the complex mechanism of a watch requires a magician to hit it with a mallet, so too the complex nature of the universe requires a roll of multicoloured handkerchieves to surreptitiously unravel…
lol but where did that watch and handkerchiefs (never would have believed that that was how you spell that word but there you go) come from. Anyway my original comment was about the killing god bit – I’m struggling to engage with this stuff tbh
Existential kicking-around is fun, but largely pointless (other than as a logical exercise). I generally figure that if I wait a few decades (hopefully that long) I’ll find out either way, or not (as the case may be) 🙂
Science is great. But no one, including Science, can ever in this life ‘PROVE’ or ‘DISPROVE’ there is a God, if there is a God, who is more powerful and the most powerful of all. Transcending dimensions, if you believe in the scientific theories of dimensions. Beyond the realm of known physics and science.
May be, by definition of divine and God, you shouldn’t expect any such worldly explanation or proof because God by definition transcends our dimension, reasoning, brain power, science and he/she/it is not of this world. So one has to have faith or a sense of life, soul, God, ethics, morals, conscience….or not.
OAB, why should anyone bother to submit to you types and categories of evidence that your personal belief system finds acceptable and valid?
How is it that your personal belief system led you to be so totally incurious and close minded? Is this really how science and technology advanced so far over the last 500 years of western civilisation?
How is it that someone like you knows so much better and so much more confidently than scientific geniuses like Einstein and Newton?
Well, Einstein’s work superceded Newton’s, and when he said “God does not play dice”, he was wrong, as delayed choice quantum erasure demonstrates.
That said, it’s pretty clear from your comment that you haven’t the first idea what I’m talking about. Again. Thus you twist my words into a new shape all your own.
In the first place I’m not asking you to submit evidence. I couldn’t give a toss about the brainless witterings of an anti-science fundie.
Secondly, I’m simply observing that if all phenomena are explicable by “natural” causes, there’s no room for miracles, and your sky fairy is just as bound by universal laws as the rest of us.
Clem, there are masses of things that are “beyond the realm of known physics and science.”
Some, like out-of-body experiences, are replicable and as yet unexplained. Others, like dark matter, are areas of pure conjecture arising from observed phenomena.
This is called “the god of the gaps” – asserting that deity exists in the unknown, and then finding that the unknown keeps getting smaller.
Transcendental experiences lead deists to assert deity, and yet some of the oldest books in the world explain such things as evidence that everything is connected, and urge us to “trust in our senses”, while explicitly denying the existence of gods.
Meanwhile, religion is an accident of birth. Perhaps I’d be more accepting had I been born a Viking.
The girl’s mother, who did not wish to be named because she feared further exclusion for her daughter, said frustrations boiled over when she saw the school’s Christian Religious Education (CRE) volunteer approach her daughter and other young children before school.
It was understood he worked nearby and would come onto school grounds during break times to speak to children about religious matters.
The girl said he approached her and other children “often” and spoke to them about God, heaven and angels.
Not a “medical dictatorship”, a corporate dictatorship. Hence the TTPA. If the government introduces regulations which limit the use of, and hence the profitability of, a given drug, corporations have the rights to get those regulations re-examined and potentially rescinded.
“While we welcome the New Zealand government’s engagement with the Universal Periodic Review (UPR) process, the rejection of key recommendations to address social inequality is deeply concerning,” said Amanda Brydon, Advocacy Manager at Amnesty International New Zealand.
“Unfortunately New Zealand has failed to show the world and our own people that the Government is willing to close the gap when it comes to human rights protection in our own country.”
The Government accepted 121 of the recommendations made by States during New Zealand’s review process in January and rejected 34.
Of the 34 that were rejected, a significant number offered specific advice on strengthening New Zealand’s legal protection of economic, social and cultural rights that would guide genuine solutions to addressing New Zealand’s poor performance on issues such as child poverty.
New Zealand has one of the highest rates of relative child poverty in the developed world, with children frequently missing out on meals, getting sick with third-world diseases, living in poor housing conditions, underachieving at school and feeling marginalised in their communities.
“Unfortunately, despite commitments to do so, the Government isn’t doing its utmost to address this, as by accepting some recommendations while rejecting others they are simply taking a band aid approach,” said Amanda Brydon.
It’s a tuff job no doubt but they seem to get pretty big raises fairly often, I’d have a crack for 100k . not sure which party would have me though.:-)
I notice our leader is making a bit of political hay going round saying he doesn’t want it but can’t do anything about it , funny he seems to be able to change laws when it suits him.
give the kid an overdose, pump his stomach and the charge the parents for the pumping ffs
Graeme Dagg has also revealed he had to pay to save his son’s life because the mishap happened in a private hospital — which meant he was billed for pumping his son’s stomach.
No McFlock it has to be more personal and intimate than that. It’s like a hospital that amputated your leg wrongly, and then charged you for the surgery and the legal counsel they needed to answer your complaint.
The mother said she commented on the size of the syringe for the little boy, you would have thought it would have prompted a check by the nurse who was either distracted, rushing, or robotic. 85 mils instead of, appropriate for the child/s weight, a tenth or a hundredth of that.
Just putting one aspect of it it in more identifiable terms. Frankly, I’m intrigued that he was billed for the cost of their misconduct, in addition to being concerned that the misconduct occurred in the first place.
I’ve no idea what it’s like to have a limb amputated, correct one or otherwise.
His son was supposed to be given 8.5mg of codeine before the operation, but he was given 85mg after both a nurse and senior nurse misread the prescription.
The nurses discussed that it was a large dose but neither checked with the anaesthetist.
The report also criticised the legibility and comprehensiveness of the anaesthetist’s documentation.
Which tends to indicate that they were using hand-written documentation and that is just not acceptable. Some peoples handwriting is just simply unreadable and so we need to remove that from the equation.
While Key talks about the Iraq deployment being the ‘price of the club’, it will be ordinary people in Iraq who pay that price not people like him or his kids (can anyone imagine Max or Stephanie Key on the frontline?)
I was disappointed by the much talked about Shaw. What was with the shiny suit, more fitting for the ACT party, the fit was terrible. This guy is a non event and should be kept to making Norman’s morning coffee. It will be the Nat/Greens if this guy is made co leader.
I just think it was average at best, considering he wants to be leader. The other bloke has better creds although mollyhawk Hughes still fancies his chances.
..and hughes has the unfortunate-blessing/curse of a young/baby-face..
..and as one similarly cursed/blessed i can tell him he can console himself with the fact he will appreciate that more and more..the older he gets..(heh..!)
..when all the craggy-faced ones are looking like shit..he won’t..
..but as for gravitas..?..nah..!..
..he always seems so ‘perky’..
..and he does try just a little bit too much/hard..
i was very impressed with Shaw’s end of year speech to parliament ….is he really, really a right winger?
….I mean can Shaw be more right wing and wissey wussy than the Little Labour Party putting in Shearer instead of Norman or Metiria Turei on the spy committee …..and taking paid advice from right wing journalist David Cohen?…pot calling kettle black?
….really what is needed for the Green Party is someone with the charisma and abilities of Shaw to sock it to John Key Nactional…Shaw does have this ability
…it has to be proven Shaw is a right winger and worse than the Labour Party before he is discounted imo…where is the proof ? I say…or is it just a smear campaign against someone with considerable ability who really can stick it to both Nactional and Little Labour ?
+100 Ad….yes I for one would be very interested to see Shaw’s real colours flying from the mast…he must come clean as to where he stands if he expects to get the Green vote for co-leadership…and he must be held to account to be true to his word
…sometimes people who come from the right of the spectrum ( either by birth or education privilege or profession position) are nevertheless true democrats and Lefties eg Tony Benn ….so it does not pay to right them off without evidence…the Greens need the best and truest person for the job
@ Ad re your statement: “Shaw is getting extremely experienced help from strong and longtime right activists”
….where is the EVIDENCE?!
….we have evidence Little and Labour got paid advice/help from right wing journalist David Cohen…the same journalist who dissed and smeared Hone Harawira?
Did anyone else notice in Parliament yesterday, when Key was questioned about the Lui donation dinner, he said he was there in his capacity as leader of the National Party! Wearing another hat again, other than that of PM!
Key gets caught out time and time again, yet nothing happens to him! Who or what is protecting him?
,i>”when Key was questioned about the Liu donation dinner, he said he was there in his capacity as leader of the National Party!”
Yeah right!
If any one, any one at all, believes that Liu invited Key as the leader of National party and not because he is Prime Minister, then such a person is not only an idiot, but a stupid idiot.
And is Liu such a nice innocent man that he would invite Key and his little boy Ross, to eat some dumplings and stuff, without having any ulterior dodgy motives like cash for favours? If yes, he should be knighted if not cannonaded as our very first Saint of Aotearoa NZ, along with Key and Jamie. Three in one, like the three way handshake for the troty. Cool bananas!
There’s a reason the Conservatives and their allies in the reactionary press invoke this phantom of the ‘underclass’. They are wrong, but not, as is often said, ‘out of touch’.
That article mentions a study that shows that even poor people think that there are people who are work shy. The study couldn’t find these work shy people though.
Divisive film Triumph des Willens took home a single Academy Award on Sunday night. Naturally, Sean Hannity and others were quick to come up with their reasons why this movie, which is about their favorite politician, did not nab top honors: “liberal Hollywood.”
Hannity took to Twitter to share this “hot take.” Here were the right’s reactions to Triumph des Willens‘ loss:
Sean Hannity: Triumph des Willens snubbed by liberal hwood Predictable. #CluelessOscars
6:07 PM – 23 Feb 1936
Terri Green @TerriGreenUSA
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Hey @TheAcademy from Americans all over this county you know who won at the Box Office? Triumph des Willens
6:12 PM – 23 Feb 1936
Ernesto @Liberty4480
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#Oscars1936 snub of #TriumphDesWillens is as bad as giving #wilson #NobelPeacePrize. Not surprised w #Hollywood #liberalbias #tcot #p2
6:12 PM – 23 Feb 1936
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Don’t worry about #TriumphDesWillens not winning an Oscar folks. It already won the award for best MUTHA FUCKIN MONAY! #Oscars1936
7:17 PM – 23 Feb 1936
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Triumph des willens got absolutely robbed imho. Incredible story of an even more incredible man. #RIPHorstWessel
6:10 PM – 23 Feb 1936
He sure did. This taxpayer gravy train has to stop. $100 million feeds a lot of kids. How on earth kiwi’s are easily conned is beyond me, the egotistical captains of industry must be laughing their heads off.
Bullshit they were out walleted the yanks did shit to there boat that was’nt covered under the rules , the fact that the holders w
right the rules is problem.
Cricko, we live in a society predicated on a unchanging pool of the unemployed that keeps wages down, workers subservient and poverty permanent. The real question isn’t about Phil, it’s about you. If you’re that fucken clever, why don’t you offer Phil a job?
I’m personaly not in a position to offer Phil Ure a job.
However, people must apply for a job in order to be offered a job.
Thats the way it normaly works.
A bludger who sits on his arse, pontificates upon the shortfalls of others, and is happy to believe that his fellow citizens owe him, is never likely to apply for a job.
Ask your mate Phillip Ure what year was it when he last even applied for a job.
Nope. You’re pointless. I think there is a lot to be said about the dignity of work, but equally, I have no problem with those who aren’t, or can’t, be a model worker. Phil annoys me regularly, but I have more respect for him than I’ll ever have for you.
There’s a search function up on the right hand side. Enter ‘cricko’ and you’ll see why you haven’t earned my respect. Phil ‘works’, just not for someone else and (unless he’s taken the casino’s coin 😉 ) not for profit. From what little I know of him, I think he probably could do a ‘job’, but I know nothing about his circumstances, where he lives, what job options there are in his community.
Phil seems to me to very capable of holding down a job, but everything I know about how WINZ are geared to punishment these days suggests to me that there must be valid reasons why that’s not an option.
If you want to stand in judgement, then more fool you.
You’re assuming all people are put together the same and can deal with getting up in the morn to go do something that in a lot of cases is drudgery
I give Mr Ure a bit of stick on occasion but the world is a richer place with people in it that refuse to bow down to the norm.
I’d rather a few of my tax dollars go to him than fucking sky city.
cricko
Everyone has something useful to do in society. For you it is working at some job that you can manage. For somebody else it is coping with an chronic illness and working when there is work available that that person can do. If they are using their brain to think and communicate information that is helpful to society, then that could be the best thing that they can do.
You obviously have trouble understanding how society works and how people’s
needs and abilities differ and you want simple answers, so stick to doing simple jobs that you can manage.
It’s a fucking Americanism is what it is, like “full spectrum dominance” and “total information awareness” and all the other lovely things they’ve brought to the language.
hey cricko,
can i reccomend a couple of looks on you tube at guy standings lectures.
he highlights (amongst other things) how tories see the monetary system as rewarding ‘good’ people and punishing’bad’ people.
ie if you have money you are ok.
he also points at the lack of empathy or compassion that right wing folk show.
also the need for a ubi ( an idea supported by hard right folk such as milton friedman).
Oh piss off there isn’t enough work to go around, what with slave import labour, zero hours work. Obviously Phil is making a sacrifice so others can at least say they are working to idiots like you. Thanks Phil.
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Happy fourth anniversary, Pandemic That Upended Bloody Everything. I have been observing it by enjoying my second bout of COVID. It’s 5.30 on Sunday morning and only now are lights turning back on for me.Allow me to copy and paste what I told reader Sara yesterday:Depleted, fogged and crappy. Resting, ...
Happy fourth anniversary, Pandemic That Upended Bloody Everything. I have been observing it by enjoying my second bout of COVID. It’s 5.30 on Sunday morning and only now are lights turning back on for me.Allow me to copy and paste what I told reader Sara yesterday:Depleted, fogged and crappy. Resting, ...
Happy fourth anniversary, Pandemic That Upended Bloody Everything. I have been observing it by enjoying my second bout of COVID. It’s 5.30 on Sunday morning and only now are lights turning back on for me.Allow me to copy and paste what I told reader Sara yesterday:Depleted, fogged and crappy. Resting, ...
.“$10 and a target that bleeds” - Bleeding Targets for Under $10!.Thanks for reading Frankly Speaking ! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.This government appears hell-bent on either scrapping life-saving legislation or reintroducing things that - frustrated critics insist - will be dangerous and likely ...
“It hardly strikes me as fair to criticise a government for doing exactly what it said it was going to do. For actually keeping its promises.”THUNDER WAS PLAYING TAG with lightning flashes amongst the distant peaks. Its rolling cadences interrupted by the here-I-come-here-I-go Doppler effect of the occasional passing car. ...
Subversive & Disruptive Technologies: Just as happened with that other great regulator of the masses, the Medieval Church, the advent of a new and hard-to-control technology – the Internet – is weakening the ties that bind. Then, and now, those who enjoy a monopoly on the dissemination of lies, cannot and will ...
Been Here Before: To find the precedents for what this Coalition Government is proposing, it is necessary to return to the “glory days” of Muldoonism.THE COALITION GOVERNMENT has celebrated its first 100 days in office by checking-off the last of its listed commitments. It remains, however, an angry government. It ...
Bob Edlin writes – And what is the world watching today…? The email newsletter from Associated Press which landed in our mailbox early this morning advised: In the news today: The father of a school shooter has been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter; prosecutors in Trump’s hush-money case ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Is another Green MP on their way out? And are the Greens severely tarnished by another integrity scandal? For the second time in three months, the Green Party has secretly suspended an MP over integrity issues. Mystery is surrounding the party’s decision to ...
For the last few years, the Green Party has been the party that has managed to avoid the plague of multiple scandals that have beleaguered other political parties. It appears that their luck has run out with a second scandal which, unfortunately for them, coincided with Golraz Ghahraman, the focus ...
TL;DR: The six newsey things that stood out to me as of 6:46am on Saturday, March 16.Andy Foster has accidentally allowed a Labour/Green amendment to cut road user chargers for plug-in hybrid vehicles, which the Government might accept; NZ HeraldThomas CoughlanSimeon Brown has rejected a plea from Westport ...
What seemed a booming success a couple of years ago has collapsed into fraud convictions.I looked at the crash of FTX (short for ‘Futures Exchange’) in November 2022 to see whether it would impact on the financial system as a whole. Fortunately there was barely a ripple, probably because it ...
Anybody following the situation in Ukraine and Russia would probably have been amused by a recent Tweet on X NATO seems to be putting in an awful lot of effort to influence what is, at least according to them, a sham election in an autocracy.When do the Ukrainians go to ...
TL;DR:Shaun Baker on Wynyard Quarter's transformation. Magdalene Taylor on the problem with smart phones. How private equity are now all over reinsurance. Dylan Cleaver on rugby and CTE. Emily Atkin on ‘Big Meat’ looking like ‘Big Oil’.Bernard’s six-stack of substacks at 6pm on March 15Photo by Jeppe Hove Jensen ...
Buzz from the Beehive Finance Minister Nicola Willis had plenty to say when addressing the Auckland Business Chamber on the economic growth that (she tells us) is flagging more than we thought. But the government intends to put new life into it: We want our country to be a ...
The Transport and Infrastructure Committee has reported back on the Road User Charges (Light Electric RUC Vehicles) Amendment Bill, basicly rubberstamping it. While there was widespread support among submitters for the principle that EV and PHEV drivers should pay their fair share for the roads, they also overwhelmingly disagreed with ...
Peter Dunne writes – This week’s government bailout – the fifth in the last eighteen months – of the financially troubled Ruapehu Alpine Lifts company would have pleased many in the central North Island ski industry. The government’s stated rationale for the $7 million funding was that it ...
See if you can spot the difference. An Iranian born female MP from a progressive party is accused of serial shoplifting. Her name is leaked to the media, which goes into a pack frenzy even before the Police launch an … Continue reading → ...
Ele Ludemann writes – The government is omitting general Treaty references from legislation : The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last Government in a bid to get greater coherence in the public service on Treaty ...
What was that judge thinking?Peter Williams writes – That Golriz Ghahraman and District Court Judge Maria Pecotic were once lawyer colleagues is incontrovertible. There is published evidence that they took at least one case to the Court of Appeal together. There was a report on ...
TL;DR: My top 10 news and analysis links this morning include:Today’s must-read:Climate Scorpion – the sting is in the tail. Introducing planetary solvency. A paper via the University of Exeter’s Institute and Faculty of Actuaries.Local scoop:Kāinga Ora starts pulling out of its Auckland projects and selling land RNZ ...
Wellington’s massively upzoned District Plan adds the opportunity for tens of thousands of new homes not just in the central city (such as these Webb St new builds) but also close to the CBD and public transport links. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Wellington gave itself the chance of ...
It’s Friday and we’re halfway through March Madness. Here’s some of the things that caught our attention this week. This Week in Greater Auckland On Monday Matt asked how we can get better event trains and an option for grade separating Morningside Dr. On Tuesday Matt looked into ...
Something you might not know about me is that I’m quite a stubborn person. No, really. I don’t much care for criticism I think’s unfair or that I disagree with. Few of us do I suppose.Back when I was a drinker I’d sometimes respond defensively, even angrily. There are things ...
Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The five things that mattered in Aotearoa’s political economy that we wrote and spoke about via The Kākā and elsewhere for paying subscribers in the last week included:PM Christopher Luxon said the reversal of interest deductibility for landlords was done to help renters, who ...
It was not so much the Labour Party but really the Chris Hipkins party yesterday at Labour’s caucus retreat in Martinborough. The former Prime Minister was more or less consistent on wealth tax, which he was at best equivocal about, and social insurance, which he was not willing to revisit. ...
Buzz from the BeehiveThe text reproduced above appears on a page which records all the media statements and speeches posted on the government’s official website by Melissa Lee as Minister of Media and Communications and/or by Jenny Marcroft, her Parliamentary Under-secretary. It can be quickly analysed ...
For forty years, Robert Muldoon has been a dirty word in our politics. His style of government was so repulsive and authoritarian that the backlash to it helped set and entrench our constitutional norms. His pig-headedness over forcing through Think Big eventually gave us the RMA, with its participation and ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Is the new government reducing tax on rental properties to benefit landlords or to cut the cost of rents? That’s the big question this week, after Associate Finance Minister David Seymour announced on Sunday that the Government would be reversing the Labour Government’s removal ...
Saudi Arabia is rarely far from the international spotlight. The war in Gaza has brought new scrutiny to Saudi plans to normalise relations with Israel, while the fifth anniversary of the controversial killing of Jamal Khashoggi was marked shortly before the war began on October 7. And as the home ...
Questions need to be asked on both sides of the worldPeter Williams writes – The NRL Judiciary hands down an eight week suspension to Sydney Roosters forward Spencer Leniu , an Auckland-born Samoan, after he calls Ezra Mam, Sydney-orn but of Aboriginal and Torres Strait ...
Ele Ludemann writes – Contrary to what many headlines and news stories are saying, residential landlords are not getting a tax break. The government is simply restoring to them the tax deductibility of interest they had until the previous government removed it. There is no logical reason ...
I can't remember when it was goodMoments of happiness in bloomMaybe I just misunderstoodAll of the love we left behindWatching our flashbacks intertwineMemories I will never findIn spite of whatever you becomeForget that reckless thing turned onI think our lives have just begunI think our lives have just begunDoes anyone ...
Michael Bassett writes – At first reading, a front-page story in the New Zealand Herald on 13 March was bizarre. A group of severely intellectually limited teenagers, with little understanding of the law, have been pleading to the Justice Select Committee not to pass a bill dealing with ram ...
How much political capital is Christopher Luxon willing to burn through in order to deliver his $2.9 billion gift to landlords? Evidently, Luxon is: (a) unable to cost the policy accurately. As Anna Burns-Francis pointed out to him on Breakfast TV, the original ”rock solid” $2.1 billion cost he was ...
TL;DR: My top 10 news and analysis links this morning include:Today’s must-read:Jonathon Porritt calling bullshit in his own blog post on mainstream climate science as ‘The New Denialism’.Local scoop:The Wellington City Council’s list of proposed changes to the IHP recommendations to be debated later today was leaked this ...
TL;DR:Prime Minister Christopher Luxon said yesterday tenants should be grateful for the reinstatement of interest deductibility because landlords would pass on their lower tax costs in the form of lower rents. That would be true if landlords were regulated monopolies such as Transpower or Auckland Airport1, but they’re not, ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Tom Toro Tom Toro is a cartoonist and author. He has published over 200 cartoons in The New Yorker since 2010. His cartoons appear in Playboy, the Paris Review, the New York Times, American Bystander, and elsewhere. Related: What 10 EV lovers ...
The business section of the NZ Herald is full of opinion. Among the more opinionated of all is the ex-Minister of Transport, ex-Minister of Railways, ex MP for Auckland Central (1975-93, Labour), Wellington Central (1996-99, ACT, then list-2005), ex-leader of the ACT Party, uncle to actor Antonia, the veritable granddaddy ...
Hi,Just quickly — I’m blown away by the stories you’ve shared with me over the last week since I put out the ‘Gary’ podcast, where I told you about the time my friend’s flatmate killed the neighbour.And you keep telling me stories — in the comments section, and in my ...
The first season of Rings of Power was not awful. It was thoroughly underwhelming, yes, and left a lingering sense of disappointment, but it was more expensive mediocrity than catastrophe. I wrote at length about the series as it came out (see the Review section of the blog, and go ...
Buzz from the Beehive Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden told Auckland Business Chamber members they were the first audience to hear her priorities as a minister in a government committed to cutting red tape and regulations. She brandished her liberalising credentials, saying Flexible labour markets are the ...
Chris Trotter writes – TO UNDERSTAND WHY NEWSHUB FAILED, it is necessary to understand how TVNZ changed. Up until 1989, the state broadcaster had been funded by a broadcasting licence fee, collected from every citizen in possession of a television set, supplemented by a relatively modest (compared ...
Bob Edlin writes – The Māori Party has been busy issuing a mix of warnings and threats as its expresses its opposition to interest deductibility for landlords and the plans of seabed miners. It remains to be seen whether they follow the example of indigenous litigants in Australia, ...
The Government has accepted Labour’s change to the Road User Charge (RUC) discount for hybrid vehicles, meaning there will still be some incentive for people to buy greener vehicles. ...
Kicking the most vulnerable people out of state housing and pushing them towards homelessness will result in a proliferation of poverty and trauma across our most vulnerable communities. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader and MP for Waiariki, Rawiri Waititi has penned a letter asking MPs to support his members bill to remove GST from all food. The bill is expected to go through its first reading in parliament this Wednesday. “I’m calling on all political parties to support my ...
This year is about getting real with Kiwis and discussing the tough issues, as the National Government exacerbates inequality and divides New Zealand, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said ...
The Government adding Significant Natural Areas (SNAs) to its already roaring environmental policy bonfire is an assault on the future of wildlife that makes Aotearoa unique. ...
After 12 years of fighting to protect our moana we are finding ourselves back at square one and back at court. Today, the Environmental Protection Agency is sitting in Hawera to reconsider an application from Trans-Tasman Resources to dig up 50 million tonnes of the seabed in South Taranaki. This ...
Minister Shane Jones’ decision to step away from a seabed mining project is evidence of the murky waters surrounding the Government’s fast-track legislation. ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The Coalition Government’s miscalculation saga continues as it has forgotten an eyewatering $90 million gap in its interest deductibility cost figures, say Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds and Revenue Spokesperson Deborah Russell. ...
He Pou a Rangi Climate Change Commission has today released advice that says if the Government doesn’t act now New Zealand is at risk of not meeting its climate goals. ...
The Coalition Government has today confirmed it is abandoning first home buyers who are struggling to get ahead, says Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds. ...
The New Zealand public voted for a change in direction at the 2023 general election and that is exactly what this coalition government has been delivering in its first 100 days. There was an immediate focus on the economy, easing the cost of living, cracking down on law and order ...
The Government has left the health system as an afterthought, announcing half-baked targets at the last minute of their 100-day plan, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
Kiwis are still waiting for their promised cost of living support after 100 days of a National Government that is taking us backwards, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The National Government has spent its first 100 days stopping, cutting and reversing. They have scrapped stuff for stuff for the sake of it, without putting up any solutions of their own – and it’s hardworking New Zealanders who will pay for it. ...
100 days of National taking NZ backwardsThe National Government has spent its first 100 days stopping, cutting and reversing. They have scrapped stuff for stuff for the sake of it, without putting up any solutions of their own – and it’s hardworking New Zealanders who will pay for it. ...
The Government must commit to funding free and healthy school lunches, as thousands of people sign the petition to keep them, education spokesperson Jan Tinetti says. ...
If the Government was serious about moving families into public housing, they would build more houses so there is actually somewhere for people to go. ...
The free and healthy school lunches programme feeds our kids, helps them to learn, and saves families money – but it is at risk under this Government, education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
The Government’s proposed changes to Firearms Prohibition Orders (FPO) add almost nothing new and are merely an attempt to distract from its plans to loosen gun laws, police spokesperson Ginny Andersen and justice spokesperson Dr Duncan Webb said. ...
The great Victorian era English politician Lord Macauley stood in the British House of Parliament and said, "The gallery in which the reporters sit has become a fourth estate of the realm".He understood and outlined even way back then, the significant role and influence media have in a democracy. ...
The government’s attack on Māori health this week is committing tangata-whenua to a premature death, says Te Pāti Māori. “The government have begun their onslaught on Māori health with the abolishment of the Māori Health Authority and smokefree laws in the same day” said health spokesperson and co-leader, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. ...
"The Government is moving quickly to realise an additional $46 million in tariff savings in the EU market this season for Kiwi exporters,” Minister for Trade and Agriculture, Todd McClay says. Parliament is set, this week, to complete the final legislative processes required to bring the New Zealand – European ...
New Zealand’s social workers are qualified, experienced, and more representative of the communities they serve, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “I want to acknowledge and applaud New Zealand’s social workers for the hard work they do, providing invaluable support for our most vulnerable. “To coincide with World ...
Cabinet has agreed to a reduced road user charge (RUC) rate for plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. Owners of PHEVs will be eligible for a reduced rate of $38 per 1,000km once all light electric vehicles (EVs) move into the RUC system from 1 April. ...
Minister of Agriculture and Trade, Todd McClay, says that today’s opening of Riverland Foods manufacturing plant in Christchurch is a great example of how trade access to overseas markets creates jobs in New Zealand. Speaking at the official opening of this state-of-the-art pet food factory the Minister noted that exports ...
Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Wellington today. “It was a pleasure to host Foreign Minister Wang Yi during his first official visit to New Zealand since 2017. Our discussions were wide-ranging and enabled engagement on many facets of New Zealand’s relationship with China, including trade, ...
Kāinga Ora – Homes & Communities has been instructed to end the Sustaining Tenancies Framework and take stronger measures against persistent antisocial behaviour by tenants, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Earlier today Finance Minister Nicola Willis and I sent an interim Letter of Expectations to the Board of Kāinga Ora. ...
Tēna koutou katoa. Greetings everyone. Thank you to the Auckland Chamber of Commerce and the Honourable Simon Bridges for hosting this address today. I acknowledge the business leaders in this room, the leaders and governors, the employers, the entrepreneurs, the investors, and the wealth creators. The coalition Government shares your ...
Minister Winston Peters completed the final leg of his visit to South and South East Asia in Singapore today, where he focused on enhancing one of New Zealand’s indispensable strategic partnerships. “Singapore is our most important defence partner in South East Asia, our fourth-largest trading partner and a ...
Minister of Internal Affairs and Workplace Relations and Safety, Hon. Brooke van Velden, will travel to the Republic of Korea to represent New Zealand at the Third Summit for Democracy on 18 March. The summit, hosted by the Republic of Korea, was first convened by the United States in 2021, ...
ICNZ Speech 7 March 2024, Auckland Acknowledgements and opening Mōrena, ngā mihi nui. Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Nor Whanganui aho. Good morning, it’s a privilege to be here to open the ICNZ annual conference, thank you to Mark for the Mihi Whakatau My thanks to Tim Grafton for inviting me ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Lead Coordination Minister Judith Collins have expressed their deepest sympathy on the five-year anniversary of the Christchurch terror attacks. “March 15, 2019, was a day when families, communities and the country came together both in sorrow and solidarity,” Mr Luxon says. “Today we pay our respects to the 51 shuhada ...
Speech for Financial Advice NZ Conference 5 March 2024 Acknowledgements and opening Morena, Nga Mihi Nui. Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Nor Whanganui aho. Thanks Nate for your Mihi Whakatau Good morning. It’s a pleasure to formally open your conference this morning. What a lovely day in Wellington, What a great ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters held discussions in Jakarta today about the future of relations between New Zealand and South East Asia’s most populous country. “We are in Jakarta so early in our new government’s term to reflect the huge importance we place on our relationship with Indonesia and South ...
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters has announced that the Foreign Minister of China, Wang Yi, will visit New Zealand next week. “We look forward to re-engaging with Foreign Minister Wang Yi and discussing the full breadth of the bilateral relationship, which is one of New Zealand’s ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has today opened the new Auckland Rail Operations Centre, which will bring together KiwiRail, Auckland Transport, and Auckland One Rail to improve service reliability for Aucklanders. “The recent train disruptions in Auckland have highlighted how important it is KiwiRail and Auckland’s rail agencies work together to ...
The Government is proud to support the 10th edition of Crankworx Rotorua as the Crankworx World Tour returns to Rotorua from 16-24 March 2024, says Minister for Economic Development Melissa Lee. “Over the past 10 years as Crankworx Rotorua has grown, so too have the economic and social benefits that ...
Legislation implementing coalition Government tax commitments and addressing long-standing tax anomalies will be progressed in Parliament next week, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The legislation is contained in an Amendment Paper to the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill issued today. “The Amendment Paper represents ...
Associate Environment Minister Andrew Hoggard has today announced that the Government has agreed to suspend the requirement for councils to comply with the Significant Natural Areas (SNA) provisions of the National Policy Statement for Indigenous Biodiversity for three years, while it replaces the Resource Management Act (RMA).“As it stands, SNAs ...
Agriculture Minister Todd McClay has classified the drought conditions in the Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts as a medium-scale adverse event, acknowledging the challenging conditions facing farmers and growers in the district. “Parts of Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts are in the grip of an intense dry spell. I know ...
The Government is helping farmers eradicate the significant impact of facial eczema (FE) in pastoral animals, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced. “A $20 million partnership jointly funded by Beef + Lamb NZ, the Government, and the primary sector will save farmers an estimated NZD$332 million per year, and aims to ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has completed a successful visit to India, saying it was an important step in taking the relationship between the two countries to the next level. “We have laid a strong foundation for the Coalition Government’s priority of enhancing New Zealand-India relations to generate significant future benefit for both countries,” says Mr Peters, ...
Cabinet has agreed to provide $7 million to ensure the 2024 ski season can go ahead on the Whakapapa ski field in the central North Island but has told the operator Ruapehu Alpine Lifts it is the last financial support it will receive from taxpayers. Cabinet also agreed to provide ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says the launch of a new mobile breast screening unit in Counties Manukau reinforces the coalition Government’s commitment to drive better cancer services for all New Zealanders. Speaking at the launch of the new mobile clinic, Dr Reti says it’s a great example of taking ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says the launch of a new mobile breast screening unit in Counties Manukau reinforces the coalition Government’s commitment to drive better cancer services for all New Zealanders. Speaking at the launch of the new mobile clinic, Dr Reti says it’s a great example of taking ...
Unlocking economic growth and land for housing are critical elements of the Government’s plan for our transport network, and planned upgrades to State Highway 29 (SH29) near Tauriko will deliver strongly on those priorities, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The SH29 upgrades near Tauriko will improve safety at the intersections ...
Unlocking economic growth and land for housing are critical elements of the Government’s plan for our transport network, and planned upgrades to State Highway 29 (SH29) near Tauriko will deliver strongly on those priorities, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The SH29 upgrades near Tauriko will improve safety at the intersections ...
Lower fruit and vegetable prices are welcome news for New Zealanders who have been doing it tough at the supermarket, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. Stats NZ reported today the price of fruit and vegetables has dropped 9.3 percent in the 12 months to February 2024. “Lower fruit and vege ...
Tēnā koutou katoa and greetings to you all. Chair, I am honoured to address the sixty-eighth session of the Commission on the Status of Women. I acknowledge the many crises impacting the rights of women and girls. Heightened global tensions, war, climate related and humanitarian disasters, and price inflation all ...
Tēnā koutou katoa and greetings to you all. Chair, I am honoured to address the 68th session of the Commission on the Status of Women. I acknowledge the many crises impacting the rights of women and girls. Heightened global tensions, war, climate related and humanitarian disasters, and price inflation all ...
The coalition Government is supporting farmers to enhance land management practices by investing $3.3 million in locally led catchment groups, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced. “Farmers and growers deliver significant prosperity for New Zealand and it’s vital their ongoing efforts to improve land management practices and water quality are supported,” ...
Good evening everyone and thank you for that lovely introduction. Thank you also to the Honourable Simon Bridges for the invitation to address your members. Since being sworn in, this coalition Government has hit the ground running with our 100-day plan, delivering the changes that New Zealanders expect of us. ...
Recommendations from the Climate Change Commission for New Zealand on the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) auction and unit limit settings for the next five years have been tabled in Parliament, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “The Commission provides advice on the ETS annually. This is the third time the ...
The coalition Government is beginning its fight to lower building costs and reduce red tape by exempting minor building work from paying the building levy, says Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk. “Currently, any building project worth $20,444 including GST or more is subject to the building levy which is ...
Proposed changes to tax legislation to prevent the over-taxation of low-earning trusts are welcome, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The changes have been recommended by Parliament’s Finance and Expenditure Committee following consideration of submissions on the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill. “One of the ...
Assalaamu alaikum. السَّلَام عليكم In light of the holy month of Ramadan, I want to extend my warmest wishes to our Muslim community in New Zealand. Ramadan is a time for spiritual reflection, renewed devotion, perseverance, generosity, and forgiveness. It’s a time to strengthen our bonds and appreciate the diversity ...
Former Transport Minister and CEO of the Auckland Business Chamber Hon Simon Bridges has been appointed as the new Board Chair of the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) for a three-year term, Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced today. “Simon brings extensive experience and knowledge in transport policy and governance to the role. He will ...
Good morning all, it is a pleasure to be here as Minister of Science, Innovation and Technology. It is fantastic to see how connected and collaborative the life science and biotechnology industry is here in New Zealand. I would like to thank BioTechNZ and NZTech for the invitation to address ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says he is looking forward to the day when three key water projects in Northland are up and running, unlocking the full potential of land in the region. Mr Jones attended a community event at the site of the Otawere reservoir near Kerikeri on Friday. ...
Associate Finance Minister David Seymour has today announced that the Government has agreed to restore deductibility for mortgage interest on residential investment properties. “Help is on the way for landlords and renters alike. The Government’s restoration of interest deductibility will ease pressure on rents and simplify the tax code,” says ...
Sport and Recreation Minister Chris Bishop will travel to Switzerland today to attend an Executive Committee meeting and Symposium of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). Mr Bishop will then travel on to London where he will attend a series of meetings in his capacity as Infrastructure Minister. “New Zealanders believe ...
Pacific Media Watch Ismail al-Ghoul, an Al Jazeera Arabic correspondent who was held for 12 hours at Gaza’s al-Shifa hospital, says Israeli forces rounded up Palestinian journalists at the facility and made them kneel on the ground for hours, while naked and blindfolded. “The occupation forces handcuffed and blindfolded us ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tony Wood, Program Director, Energy, Grattan Institute chinasong, Shutterstock Electricity customers in four Australian states can breathe a sigh of relief. After two years in a row of 20% price increases, power prices have finally stabilised. In many places they’re ...
Chumbawamba have reportedly issued the deputy PM a cease-and-desist notice after he used their song 'Tubthumping' before his state of the nation speech. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Deborah Lupton, SHARP Professor, Vitalities Lab, Centre for Social Research in Health and Social Policy Centre, and the ARC Centre of Excellence for Automated Decision-Making and Society, UNSW Sydney kitzcorner/Shutterstock The assertion from Queensland’s chief health officer John Gerrard that ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Martin, Visiting Fellow, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University Shutterstock Why are musicians so keen to get played on the radio? It can’t be because of the money. In Australia they are paid at rates so low they ...
"Farmers make a point not to tell our urban cousins how to live, yet Chlöe from central Auckland is hell-bent on having her say about farmers," says ACT Rural Communities spokesman Mark Cameron. “On her first day in the House as Green ...
Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards – Democracy Project (https://democracyproject.nz)Political scientist, Dr Bryce Edwards. It’s been a tumultuous time in politics in recent months, as the new National-led Government has driven through its “First 100 Day programme”. During this period there’s been a handful of opinion polls, which overall just ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tim Curran, Associate Professor of Ecology, Lincoln University, New Zealand Getty Images/Gerald Corsi In the latest move to reform environmental laws in New Zealand, the coalition government has introduced a bill to fast-track consenting processes for projects deemed to ...
Uber has argued it does not have as much control over drivers as the unions suggest, and wants a judgment ruling that drivers are employees and not contractors set aside and sent back to the Employment Court. The 2022 ruling followed a three-week hearing in which four drivers sought to ...
What can and can’t be purchased by disabled people or their carers has been slashed in an effort by the Ministry of Disabled People Whaikaha to save money. The purchasing guidelines, a set of rules that sets out what can be purchased using the various streams of Government disability funding, ...
The Treasury has published today a new Analytical Note by Tod Wright and Hien Nguyen, Fiscal incidence in New Zealand: The effects of taxes and benefits on household incomes in tax year 2018/19 . Analyses of the distributional impact of taxation and government ...
The Treasury has published today a new Analytical Note by Cory Davis, Boston Hart and Benjamin Stubbing, Household cost-of-living impacts from the Emissions Trading Scheme and using transfers to mitigate regressive outcomes . This Analytical Note ...
A coalition of public transport and climate organisations, united as ‘Transport for All’, is actively opposing the government’s transport proposals. The draft Government Policy Statement (GPS) includes plans for higher fares for public transport, ...
Greater Wellington is inviting feedback on proposed changes to its Revenue and Financing Policy. The Revenue and Financing Policy covers the Council’s various sources of funding, and how the cost of services is shared across the region. This includes ...
Labour has conceded it could have done more to deal with disruptive state housing tenants while in government but says the current coalition is going too far. ...
The band has asked their record label to issue a cease and desist to stop the NZ First leader using their 1997 hit to support his ‘misguided political views’. “I get knocked down, but I get up again,” blared through the speakers on Sunday as Winston Peters took the stage ...
By Lydia Lewis, RNZ Pacific journalist Food rationing is underway in remote areas in Papua New Guinea’s Highlands following torrential rain and flash flooding. More than 20 people have been reported dead in Chimbu Province. In nearby Enga Province, the centre of last month’s massacre, a 15-year-old boy has been ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Andrew Hughes, Lecturer, Research School of Management, Australian National University After months of debate and intrigue, the AFL’s 19th and newest team, the Tasmania Devils, finally launched its jumper, logo and colours in Devonport this week. The Devils will wear green, ...
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oh my goodness, as i clutch my pearls, cunliffe has been caught using a cell phone in his car, front page news, end of the world, obviously the police to media hotline is redhot!
did you miss the ‘brighton’ story..?
Yep why investigate possible corruption when they can investigate a talking on the cellphone minor infringement. This story is sourced from Slater as is the picture of the dating site. You would have to wonder at how he “stumbled” on it and I wonder who put it up.
Meanwhile there was a significant development in the Donghua Liu story and questions of when Woodhouse met him to discuss immigration policy and the relationship with the timing of his donation to the National Party.
But of course talking on a cellphone is more serious …
reckon, i don’t believe the chinese dating site for a second, thats gotta be a set up that any idiot can see through, …well most idiots i guess.
The Nats are smarting after the Donghua Liu story hit John Key.
Key is rattled: it showed in his bad tempered performance in Parliament yesterday.
He should have known better than to do that.
However, is there more than meets the eye in this story? The stuff article had me wondering about a few aspects in the story.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/66672455/cunliffe-fined-for-using-cellphone-while-driving
* It says a motorist made the complaint and the complaint said Cunliffe was driving ‘erratically’ which Cunliffe has denied.
Because of the nature of the complaint, I am curious to know WHO the complainant was. Was it a set up ? Was this complainant deliberately following Cunliffe? Was he or one of the accomplices themselves instigate the whole episode? How come the media came to know about this incident promptly? Did the police leak the information or was it the minister of police? Was this to distract the news away from the various messes that the government is in? Is this all part of dirty politics? Something is fishy here.
* The report also strangely said this:
“he admitted he had “made a cellphone call or two” in hands-free mode and had been given an infringement notice. He was fined $80 by a police officer, NZME reported”
If it was in ‘hands-free mode’ as the report says, was that illegal?
Yep it reeks of a set up to me how they just happened to find a witness to comment on his driving.
It definitely is black-ops work.
Cunliffe certainly didn’t call the media!
Had the person following being an ordinary Joe and called Police, because of concerns about his driving, then the matter should be a private matter between Cunliffe and the Police.
If the person is a Nat lackie who followed Cunliife from Parliament in his hire car (he is an Auckland MP) and called the Police then that person would be the source for the Media. Why then did the Police confirm? Is that their normal procedure? No.
This news story required cooperation from both the snitch/lackie and the police.
Dirty Politics continues.
Its the left who always encourage narking and denouncements. You reap what you sow.
cite pls. CF:the greasy cetacean
Slater is a leftie for the purposes of Bedwetter’s feeble stories.
East German Stasi had 189000 informers study says.
I never nark or inform on anyone for that very reason.
Fuck the Stasi, the American driven FVEY apparatus turned on each of us is four or five orders of magnitude more powerful than what the Stasi could ever manage.
You clearly don’t Facebook, email, call or txt your friends and family then.
So, what you’re saying is that if you see a crime or an injustice happening you’re not going to do anything about it? That would probably explain your support of Key and his lies.
This kind of phenomena will increase as trust in the activities and motivations of the authorities decrease.
BTW In know that it’s obvious to you, but the authorities aren’t really interested in correcting “injustice.”
Don’t need authority to point out an injustice and to try and remove it from society if it’s systemic.
You already see it in many areas of the world – including western ones. People seeking justice outside of the official system when they know or feel that the official system has no interest in delivering justice.
Crimes against life or property are a different matter, but I will not report people for arbitrary offences such as exceeding drink driving limits, speeding, talking on their cellphone, any of that stuff. Its just divisive left wing shit that eventually corrodes a country and you end up like East Germany above.
And please stop saying I support Key.
When Little takes power, you may be able to say to most of the other dipshits on Kiwiblog et al that you didn’t see them complaining when Key was doing it, but you won’t be able to say that about me.
Here is just one example.
You managed to contradict yourself in the same sentence. The reason why we have speed and drink drive limits and rules against driving while using the cell phone is because it kills people and often not the person doing the really stupid thing. In other words, these things are crimes against life.
In fact, as it stands I’d say that there’s enough evidence to say that capitalism itself is a crime against life as it continues to destroy the environment in its drive for profit but I’m sure that we will never see you call for capitalism to be abolished because of that crime.
No it does not. Take the drink driving limit. A person can exceed that limit and drive home every night of their life and never hit or kill or maim anyone. Its an arbitrary amount that has no real relationship to the committing of an offence.
If a person crashes into someone and kills or maims them, and they have been drinking, and the drinking is proved to be an influence, then charge them and make sure the sentence is punitive enough to discourage them and others from taking the risk.
You do not make criminals out of innocent people. Set up roadblocks and carry out suspicionless searches. That is another characteristic of left wing tyranny. It begins small and gets bigger. As in East Germany under the Stasi.
Don’t any of you Leftists know anything of history?
Translation: redbaiter refuses to report violations of laws he is too stupid to understand…
The Stasi were just carrying on the great tradition of Himmler and the earlier brownshirts, A mass informer society.
The spanish fascists were the same for longer.
What Bullshit. Dirty Politics is an organised programme of media dirt designed to attack Labour and distract from National Government incompetence and misdeeds at key junctures.
says in the article that using a handheld phone was illegal. My understanding is that handsfree is legal.
Doesn’t actually say whether the infringement was for the phone or, say, failing to indicate a lane change.
The ODT has (in a reprint of the NZH article):
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/334494/cunliffe-nabbed-using-phone-while-driving
Fuck that shit! You should always indicate before you change lanes whether you think anyone else in nearby or not. Cunliffe sounds like someone trying to excuse pointing a gun at a crowd by claiming he didn’t think it was loaded.
I’m saying this as someone who thought that Cunliffe had better ideas than any other leader in Labour in decades. Little may turn out to be a more effective leader due to less caucus hostility, but I’m yet to be impressed (though still early days).
Also; Clemgeopin, the quote in the ODT (haven’t looked at Stuff yet) is:
Even with a genuine legal hands-free set-up; research demonstrates that phone calls are a distraction to driving competence. Simply using the loudspeaker mode on a normal cellphone would surely be even worse. Not quite as idiotic as txtng while driving though.
Is the timing of media release suspicious? Hell yes. Should that excuse an MP ignoring the law for personal convenience? Fuck no!
lol ah, so he had it on speakerphone.
Amazing the mileage on an $80 traffic ticket, though…
Wouldn’t you be more worried about more serious offending? Like indecent assaults on children?
mickysavage
I’m pretty sure that any comment I might make linking MPs with indecent assaults on children would be breaking name suppression, and don’t want to put TS in that position.
I am perhaps a bit sensitive when it comes to road safety. But I imagine many who have experience with those who have suffered vehicular death or injury feel similarly.
The casualty rate for motor vehicles is higher than all forms of assault (including both your example of; child-assault, and mine of; firearms). In 2010 (most recent year easy to access through Statistics NZ) this was 8.6/ 100000 vs 1.2/100000 (vehicular injury rate at 321/100000). The only good news is that the road toll in 2013 was half what it was in 2000.
http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/nz-social-indicators/Home/Individual%20safety%20and%20security/m-v-casualties.aspx
http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/nz-social-indicators/Home/Individual%20safety%20and%20security/death-assault.aspx
McFlock
I suppose it does seem a lot of drama about an $80 ticket. Though if I had my way, driving while phoning would be automatic loss of license (once proven in court, and possibly just a 3month suspension on first offense). I really don’t have a sense of humour about that shit.
You will understand the reason for my bewilderment at David being criticised for this.
Drivers with pets and small kids in the car are just as distracted, if not more so.
We’re not going to start disqualifying them from driving too are we?
Regardless, the way we need to go is to get 90% of private motor vehicle transport off the roads.
I entirely agree with you. If Cunliffe broke the law, he should be ticketed and pay the fine. No issue about that. He should know better.
My issue is about the aspects I have mentioned connected with the news reports in our media, such has HOW and WHY and by WHOM did this leak take place and became public knowledge. Is it legal and fair to do so? Was the police or the minister or the PM involved in this leak of privacy? Have no other MPs ever broken a traffic rule and fined? If any do exist, have all those cases too been exposed in the media?
The stuff link I posted is still as it was in the morning I think. I have now read your ODT link.
I wish our MSM, the journalists, the political commentators are fairer, show more integrity and professionalism and delve deep into HEAPS of other important issues such as the truth and cost behind the Iraq armed deployment, electronic surveillance of all, the Lu donation truth, the bio security inefficiency, the dirty politics, black ops operations, the truth about the Charter schools, the $50,000/day or so spent on a social Welfare Ministry’s CEO visit somewhere, the 43K review cost we have to pay for Brownlee jumping over the security gate without being charged etc just as a few examples
They don’t seem to hold the National Party Ministers and their MPs to the same degree of minute scrutiny as they do for Labour. Something is just not right.
factoids:..
1)..america has only not been at war..for 21 yrs out of the 237 since the founding of the country..
(‘if not them..who..?’..eh..?..)
2)..when national took power there were 40,000 nz’ers on the minimum wage..
..there are now 160,000 nz’ers on the minimum wage..
..(well done john key/the tories..!..eh..?..)
3)..in a country that once had no homeless…
..there are now over 30,000 nz’ers ‘sleeping-rough’..
..(well done both national and labour..!..eh..?..)
4)..alcohol is 114 times more dangerous than cannabis..
5)..cunnliffe has a new nickname..it is the name he is known as on a chinese dating-site..
..meet ‘brighton’…
and if you see cunnliffe out and about..
..can i suggest u call out to him:..’brighton..!..is that you..?’…
oh..!..i almost forgot..!
..we ‘can’t afford’ to do anything about poverty/homelessness..
..but we can afford to spend $65 million to be spear-carriers for the psycopathic/war-mongering fucken americans..
Morning Phil, where did you get the info for your second fact? It is interesting…
morena hutty..
..from q-time @ parliament yesterday…
..and that’s not even going near the abomination that is zero hours-contracts..
Do you know whose speech/speaking it was in? Cheers
don’t quote me..but i think question 4..
..(parliamentary website has full-transcript..u shd b able find it there..)
You mentioned it, you find it.
u get fucked..!..eh..?..
(then get back to me..)
It’s real simple. You made a claim and now you have to back it up.
I’ve looked at question time for yesterday, and can’t find it, phil.
There was one mention of the average wage in regards to benefit levels, and joyce made a passing reference to the starting out wage, but I can’t find anything close to what you mentioned.
oh well..i don’t make things up..it was said..
..(n.b..i am not making the claim..i am reporting what i heard..)
..and if ball-busting over it..surely labour dept stats wd help you..?
Hang on, so now I need to find evidence to support an assertion that you can’t show ever existed?
Whatever you “heard”, it wasn’t where you claim it was said. So at best you’re mistaken about where it was said, at worst you made it up, and the middle ground is that you simply heard wrong.
And you get pissy when people like wayne and northshoredoc just plain ignore you most of the time…
i am possibly mistaken about where i heard it..(i spend my days in a sea of information..)
..but i definitely heard it..
..and if that isn’t good enough for you..
..that’s tough-bikkies..eh..?
..and yep..! northshoredoc just won’t answer about the freebies he gets from big-pharma..(‘conferences’ in exotic-locales being just one..eh doc..?..)
..and ‘wayne’ has been nowhere near general debate since i asked him about the war-crimes committed by nz soldiers (handing prisoners over to be tortured) while he was minister of defence..
..(war-crimes he initially denied..then he just ran to his fox-hole..
..where he has remained ever since..)
i wd like to ask him those questions again..and hopefully get a straight answer from him..
In recent articles on the Minimum wage increases over the last two years:
In April 2014, the min wage rose to $14.25, CTU economist Bill Rosenberg said “…More than 100,000 people were on or close to the new minimum wage…”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9758228/Minimum-wage-up-50c
However on this years rise to $14.75, Helen Kelly said “…Helen Kelly said over 300,000 workers were on or near the minimum wage.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/66627971/minimum-wage-rises-to-1475
Seems hard to believe that an extra 200,000 people are ‘on or near’ the min wage in just a year. Suppose it depends on far ‘near’ is from the minimum wage.
Phil, after a lot of reading, your point number 2 does not appear in the transcripts of Parliament for this past week, so if you do happen to remember who/when it was said, just let us know and perhaps we can search the videos for it but I’m not going to do that without a bit more detail.
Seeing as you eventually have admitted you may have misheard or mistakenly assigned the source to question time, why all the animosity? No one was having a go at you, (apart from draco of course but isn’t that what you two do for fun ?)
Asking for more details is something you do all time, so maybe….
🙄
Wayne’s been commenting regularly, just not to you. In fact, I definitely remember correcting you on that claim before, I just can’t remember where. Oh, I know, rather than expecting you to do my work for me, I’ll do the search myself: oh look, it was a week and a half ago. So now I have reason to doubt your memory of what was said on any particular topic, rather than just where it was said.
The fact that you are quite probably delusional is most likely the reason you will not get what you want from folk like wayne or northshoredoc – no matter what they say, even if they are in the right you will merely “hear” what you have already decided to hear and go off on a rabid, unintelligible tangent.
@ freedom..no..i did not mishear..i did not say i misheard..
..i am very certain about what i heard..
..i said i was not sure where i heard it..
…but it was yesterday..
@ flock..
..’wayne’ has not been back to where i can ask him..the general debate..
..asking him where he appeared..wd have been clear thread-disruption..
..i presume yr links are not general-debate..?
lol
I disappeared for a wee while to search @wayne.
How long have you been carrying this torch? Because I’ve got some bad news for you, phil: wayne seems to have commented on an open mike once, in late 2013. And you missed your opportunity to righteously challenge him – for shame.
That single comment is what stands between you and your “back” being complete bullshit.
It seems it might not be all about you…
“and yep..! northshoredoc just won’t answer about the freebies he gets from big-pharma..(‘conferences’ in exotic-locales being just one..eh doc..?..)”
Already answered this a couple of times during your previous diatribes Phil, perhaps you were otherwise engaged or it has slipped your memory.
remind us all..doc..
That’s what the search engine on the site is for phil.
oh..!..u r so coy on this subject..aren’t you..?
..why is that..?
..from memory u said these holidays (sorry..!.’conventions’..) in exotic locales..
..were part of yr ongoing ‘training’..?
..is that correct..?
..and the lobbying/wh.y. from big-pharma reps has absolutely no influences on yr prescribing..eh..?..
“….. from memory ….”
I thought this thread had offered some confirmation that you should not rely on your memory.
u duck and weave like a sweating tory politician..
..don’t you..?
@phil…. no…..eh
‘no’..that you are not ducking and weaving like a sweating tory politician..?
..or ..’no’..that u won’t talk about yr ongoing relationship with big-pharma..?
..btw..when is yr next paid-for-by-drug-company-holiday..(sorry..!..medical-conference..) scheduled..?
..and which exciting/exotic locale will it be in..?
Yes that’s right Phil I’m currently sunning myself in Jamaica – all expenses paid by multinational pharmaceutical companies all in return for changing all my patients onto their drugs once I return to NZ.
They are flying me back via Mars where their hypnotoad overlords will be further indoctrinating me.
astonishing how you seem to so blissfully deny the well-documented phenomenon of the influence big-pharma has over doctors-prescribing..
..and the ‘bribes’ that are given to doctors to achieve those ends..
..are you denying this internationally recognised fact/evil..?
(and maybe not jamaica..but wanaka is nice this time of yr..eh..?..)
i will try again to ask you the question:..what/where was the last ‘conference’ you went to..?
..and what financial-assistance did you receive from big-pharma to attend..?
..and when/where is the next one..?
Melbourne …. and no.
….and not playing this game anymore all your questions have been answered …in all honestly it’s probably more useful trying to have an online conversation with one of your deceased canines than trying to engage with yourself….eh ?
and how much financial assistance from big-pharma did you get to attend..?
..and a slur/slag around my recently deceased 16 yr old dog..?
..that i am still seriously grieving over..?
..really putting the ass/arse in ‘class’..
.aren’t you..?..eh..?
..you fucken shabby piece of crap….
and yes..readers here can see yr evasions..
..and we all know you are just another big-pharma tool…
..pimping their poisonous shit for them…
..bought/owned by them..
..the hypocratic-oath..eh..?
..you clearly live by it..
@phil……
“..and a slur/slag around my recently deceased 16 yr old dog..?
..that i am still seriously grieving over..?”
Perhaps you should’ve had the dear old thing stuffed and mounted next to your computer ….. then you could commune with it rather than typing your ellipsis loaded diatribes……….eh ?
do you usually hit the turps on a friday nite..?
..is that where u get yr bravado from..?
..and you wouldn’t say that to my fucken face..wd u..?
..u gutless piece of shite…
..and u a north shore doctor…eh..?
..flying the flag for the profession..eh..?
that’s a definition of cowardice..isn’t it..?
..saying something hiding behind a nom de plume..
..that you wd not say to that persons’ face..
..and be assured..
..i wd love to question you about yr big-pharma links..
..face to face..
..but/bet u wouldn’t like that..wd u..?
@phil
Oh dear, what’s with all the ellipsoidal abuse……….eh ?
I thought you didn’t dislike anyone…….eh ?
…. and here’s me thinking that all that pot was supposed to mellow you out…eh ?
….hopefully I never have to have your mug in front of me…if your incoherent tosh on this site is anything to go by……your gobbledegook in person must be completely intelligible dribble……eh.
Poor old pooch having to put up with a human like you, wouldn’t surprise me if the poor old dear gave up the ghost after listening to your rambling on another pot fuelled afternoon………….eh ?
Actually, avoiding being stalked by deranged stoners is a very good example of why some people prefer to use pseudonyms.
a bit more of that piss-bravery in you..eh..?
..and you don’t like yr doctor-infallibility being questioned/laughed at..do ya..
..ya fucken pill-pusher..
Standard Phil – this happens daily.
“I heard something but can’t find any evidence of it but I know I heard it so get fucked and go find the info the supports it.”
“.. this happens daily. ..
..care to cite/link to..oh..!..let’s say just two of these ‘daily occurances’..?
..you bullshit-artist you..
Why should I have to cite anything to you?
@ contrarian..
..maybe not to prove you are a total bullshit artist..’daily occurance’..
..but ok..’total bullshit-artist’ can/will stand..
..your call..
lol
So if you refuse to cite, we should trust you, but when someone else refuses to cite, they’re total bullshit artists.
Fish, meet barrel. You’ll be happy there for a while, no troubles.
This is the most recent report I can find:
http://www.dol.govt.nz/er/pay/backgroundpapers/2013/Minimum-Wage-Review-MBIE-Report-2013.pdf
It claims 54,000 are on the minimum wage. However, the figure quoted in the previous year’s report was 80K, so they may have changed the recording mechanism. Also, firms are advised to pay marginally more than the minimum so that their workers are less likely to get assistance from MBIE if they need it (they are required to help minimum wage workers, but not necessarily minimum +10c per hour workers).
The effect of raising the minimum also sweeps up groups of workers who used to be above minimum, but who have not kept pace due to not getting annual rises. So that 54,000 probably rose in 2013/14.
However, I can’t see how even the 80,000 figure quoted in 2012 could become 160,000 a couple of years later.
Having said that, Phil’s point remains; under National more workers are on the bare minimum. Not only that, many are on 90 day fire at will contracts, zero hour arrangements and the like, so certainty of employment has also diminished.
“We would love to see wages drop.” John Key, 2008.
the figure quoted was from when the tories came to power..not 2012..
..it was 2008 ’till now…
..40,000 then..160,000 now…
(shall we all have a group-dance on the head of a fucken pin..?..
..oh..!..hang on..!..we’re already doing that..!..)
Er, I was backing you up, Phil.
MBIE said 54k in 2013 and the previous year (2012) they said 80k. I was quoting MBIE, not the Nats.
Which I wrote as: “It claims 54,000 are on the minimum wage. However, the figure quoted in the previous year’s report was 80K, so they may have changed the recording mechanism.”
I think it’s entirely likely that it was 40k when the Tories took over and that it’s got worse since then.
@ trp..
..and i was just correcting yr claim that i had said 2012….
I didn’t claim you said 2012, Phil!
alright..my bad..
No worries, cobber.
His name is Cunliffe NOT CuNNliffe FFS it’s in the papers enough
u get todays’ pedant-award..
..i mean..who cares..?..
..and anyway..i much prefer his chinese-dating-site name…
..’brighton’…
..and i shall call him ‘brighton’ from here on in..
..u ok with that spelling..?
Gosh that is more exciting that TV1 expose a few weeks ago that Cadbury were reducing their bar size!
I almost forgot in the excitement, that John Key is sending our troops into an illegal war in Iraq without UN or Security Council approval.
As our assistance has been requested the UN doesn’t come into it. Of course, the fact that the government was talking about going before the request came does indicate that we would have gone with or without the Iraqi request.
Our assistance was requested by the Shia side of the sectarian Parliament, and no official paperwork drawn up around it. It’s very minimal cover for our intervention in a civil war.
I got the distinct impression that the request from Iraq was done at the behest of the USA to give a cover for their invasion that they weren’t going to get any other way.
Pretty much – I think your conclusion makes sense. And I think the USA already checked in with John Key to ensure that our answer would indeed be “yes.”
The rich praise the rich.
Importing massive amounts of sweatshop produce, building big boxes that close down other retail and destroy town centres, create lousy low paid work.
Yes Tindall really did make life better for thousands of NZers.
The shareholders of the Warehoise.
It’s like the Walmart family being awarded in the US
http://m.tvnz.co.nz/news/top_stories/6242222
Yup and team tindall have been acquiring other niche kiwi etailers etc to ensure the empire of crap continues to prosper. The many brands one owner strategy you see in logistics, booze, dairy products etc.
I only shop at red shed when I don’t expect my purchase to be well made or have longevity but hey that’s the world we live in….never mind the quality feel the width.
i know..!..i am still gathering my (gobsmacked) thoughts over that one..
..and not to mention the third world slave-workers/children he made his money off/thru..
..and you are right..it wd be like america making walton american-of-the-year..
Posted the link to Auckland Conversations last week on the topic of housing, and the introduction to the event was full of praise for Stephen Tindall (who attended) and the Warehouse. (Youth & Community Economic Development – David Turner)
I haven’t heard Len Brown speak in public for a while, and was not impressed. Very sycophantic to business overall, and Tindall and the Warehouse specifically on this occasion. I had to only listen with moderate attention to this lovefest, and so could look at these guys and ponder whether their egos are so fragile they must constantly puff each other up at every opportunity:
“Like me, like me, – I like you – d’ya like me…?”
The Warehouse has some form of school to work programme, called “Red Shirts in Schools”. If you are interested in seeing the disaster that can be if not managed properly – go and have a look at some the Academy schools in the US. Particularly in areas that are struggling.
The feature speaker, David Turner was – by contrast – much more interesting to listen to.
He spoke of the success of the Swiss system which provides long-term and extensive work business relationships to students, and the experience and effort that goes into ensuring apprenticeships and students have a good fit. This includes a vast resource of independent career counselors and a “three strikes and your in” understanding. That is, businesses are aware that some students who have had no prior experience in industry will require three placements before they have the skills and knowledge to be ready to participate.
He also said that businesses meet regularly to discuss the progress of their “apprenticeships” and keep up with the progress of students that have moved on to other placements. While there is some degree of financial strategy, they recognise they are contributing to the common good. When was the last time we heard that phrase in NZ in the same sentence as business?
He also suggested that he believed that fundamentally business owners in Switzerland got involved in these programmes because of their humanity.
And for the RWNJ reading this, the word is not synonymous with public relations.
Without being undiplomatic, he stated that the business relationships in Australia – where he is from – is not set up to do this kind of support, and until it is, it is likely that repeats of past exploitation of young people would happen. He said he was unqualified to comment on NZ, but if business networks were similar it would have to undergo a big change.
Almost worth listening to Len Brown’s valentine at the beginning – to hear the words business, humanity and common good linked together.
(Unfortunately, Len Brown left after his introduction – so missed an opportunity for a bit of education himself.)
Really good stuff on
http://www.norightturn.blogspot.co.nz
Including Cash for Questions in UK,
followed by Money laundering from the National party donations,
Greens actually spent more money on the election than Labour (again Labour not listening on the moral issues here so missing out on votes and donations),
GCSB’s obsession with “network security” (which, thanks to Snowden, we now know means “making sure people don’t plug the backdoors we use”) is killing research and driving tech companies out of the country.
SIS’s slow vetting procedures appear to have interfered with the establishment of IGIS’s office and their recruitment of staff. Vetting is their core function, but apparently it still takes months.
IGIS currently has an own-motion inquiry into the SIS underway “which arose from the regular inspection of intelligence warrants [and] is the first Inspector-General inquiry into the “propriety” of particular activities of an intelligence and security agency”. Which sounds as if SIS are abusing their powers. Unfortunately, as its “operational”, all the details are classified, and we’ll only be getting a summary at the end of it. Its unclear whether the victims of any SIS impropriety will be informed of the violation of their rights so they may take legal action against the spies.
Because they’d only been in the role for seven weeks, the IGIS can not certify that GCSB and SIS are complying with their legislation.
So, it turns out that Sky City’s surprise “cost overrun” on their crony-deal convention centre was their plan all along, and that the government knew about it from the beginning:
Well worth reading!
Here is an article on a crucial aspect of the Iraq conflict that is not getting discussed but is most certainly going to play an ever increasing role in the (re)establishment of a stable Iraq nation.
Iran has always had a hands on influence in many parts of Iraq but appears to be strengthening its presence. As there is little information on this area of the political situation in Iraq, we have no way to know the veracity of the claims, but that can be said of most aspects of this conflict.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-irans-military-chiefs-operate-in-iraq-2015-2
I adapted the map to show where “behind the wire” puts our troops
http://i.imgur.com/qdQoqnh.jpg
Addendum:
“Here is an article on a crucial aspect of the Iraq conflict that is not getting discussed..”
I should have said …discussed in the mainstream public arena and the MSM news services…
“Canada’s electronic surveillance agency is covertly monitoring vast amounts of Canadians’ emails as part of a sweeping domestic cybersecurity operation, according to top-secret documents.”
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/25/canada-cse-pony-express-email-surveillance/
Bet the GCSB is doing the same. What are Palintir here for, now?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10899920
i am caught on the horns of a moral dilemma..
..i have been offered (much-needed) ‘dirty money’..
..the facts of the matter are that i have a hellish job keeping up with the costs etc. of running whoar..+ life..on the dole..
..(i actually went totally ‘dark’ on tues…pre-paid electricity ran out sooner than expected..and no money to top it up..that was an interesting 24hrs….)
..and i have received an offer to host some paid-content..for an online gambling casino…
..what to do..?..
..while loathing how the gambling-industry exploits the weakest..
..i am not actually opposed to people having the right to throw their money away in whatever stupid way they choose…
..aarrgghh..!..those horns are sharp..!
hee hee classic dilemma mr ure… whatcha gonna do? Firstly, don’t worry about electricity it is entirely over-rated unless you have a freezer full of food. I know a few who stay off the grid and it works fine…. biggest problem likely to be punching out the daily squawk online.
so, to be or not to be – whether tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or to take arms against a sea of struggles…..
you know what you are going to do – you are just temporarily weakened by the devil of temptation.
aye..!
don’t do it!…its the beginning of the end…and you will lose credibility…the great thing about this site is that it is classy and clean ….has no tacky or amoral or immoral ads
chooky..i am talking about whoar..not here..
..’y’know..!..that ‘cartoony-site’ you make sure you stay well away from..?
i know that…if you start advertising gambling that makes it worse…even although i dont look at it
Agree with trp below. It’s well and good to maintain principles and decency – all for it – but you’ve got to live Phil. The constant worry about having no money (been there) means you can’t be much help to anybody let alone yourself. Go for it.
Well, that explains why you didn’t comment on my post on Tuesday, Phil!
For my tuppenceworth, I think you should put the ads up. I don’t see it as a moral compromise or lowering your site’s credibility. It’s just not that kind of website, it’s a news aggregator, not a forum for philosophical discussion. Unlike dope, casino’s are legal, though I wish the situation was reversed.
Use the money to get a regular power account (pre-pay is a total rip off) and maybe think about solar, if that’s possible where you live.
“.. and maybe think about solar..”
i’ll do that after i’ve got the pony all sorted out..eh..?..
..and i am well aware glo-bug pre-pay is a total gouge..
.the power company forced me onto it..against my will/protestations..
..(their reason..?..my payments were not always on the day..(tho’ i note my power had never been disconnected..the bills were paid..)
..this is one of the ways the poorest get fucked over…
..and here’s another one…!
..fucken animal control..and the fascist bitches (yes..!..i meant to say that..!..stick yer fucken p.c..!..) that drive around in those red vans..
a few months ago..they came to my house..having received a complaint that my dogs weren’t registered..
..my old dog had been registered..but it had expired..and the little one wasn’t..
..i pointed out that it wasn’t deliberate..more an outcome of poverty..
..(and i noted that the old-dog was on her death-legs..was nearly gone..(she died about three weeks later..)
..and this meant nothing..despite this fascist-bitch agreeing that yes..she was clearly near the end..
..so i went and borrowed the money to get both dogs registered..
..and then..here is the kicker..!
..as well as these two horror-shows talking to me in a way they would never address say..a gang-member..?
..(the true mark of the coward-bully..the careful selection of who they will fuck over..)
..i maintained politeness..(with great difficulty..)
..and then..two weeks later..hand-delivered to my letterbox..
..two tickets..back-dated..for $300 each..for having unregistered dogs…
..(a malicious afterthought..?..it was never mentioned to me..)
..i was unable to pay that $600 fine..
..so it has worked its’ way thru the system..
..and i have just been told it + the requisite penalties – will be taken from my benefit..
..(so that was over $1,000 ..that they screwed me for..seems fair..?..eh..?..).
..i see in the media that there will be an inquiry into animal-services auckland..and how they operate..after allegations of cruelty by their officers..
..i would like to give evidence to that inquiry..
..about what would seem to be their ‘normal-practices’..
..because if these pieces of human excrement did this to me..
..you can bet that is what they are doing to everyone,..
(except gang-members..!..of course..!..)
…sounds pretty bad alright!….and for many a dog or pet companion is crucial for emotional health when you are down and out ( the people who enforce these rules male or female have to be callous…no other person could do the job)
….maybe yu or others should keep a poverty diary somewhere on line….so people can see in detail what a hard struggle it is…even in New Zealand
I have some idea because i was brought up by a solo parent, who had a professional job, but it was still a struggle ….and i also have a very well educated professional friend who has a long term chronic health problem and is invalided in a state house which could be sold out from under him
….the day to day worry and grind of poverty and living on benefits should be chronicalled for all to see in dairy form…maybe 7 people each take a day of the week?
(btw…where is Xtasy these days ?)
+1 on xtasy. Was wondering the same thing just the other day. Would like to hear from them again.
Things sound a tad grim sorry to hear Phil, however your a stoic chap and harvest
time is near, just remember to give the taxman his share and all will be fine. Take the money from whoever is trying to scam your morals.
I would rather dog owners were registered, I think its sucks they fine you on your own property. Caught in public would be inline with cars. You don’t get fined for having an unregistered car on your property only in public.
Maybe we could fund raise for you, say if you had a wash, a short back and sides, a shave and if you get a real job a hold it we could top up your pay.
Have you looked at applying for jobs in your area? Works for me
…..what
…. fucking work
……..it’s oppression is work
…..enslavement I tell ya
….for whoars sake s
Hot war on it’s way
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/podcast/6645/another-vital-jb-sfc
Another Vital JB-SFC
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By Turd Ferguson | Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:46 am
I cannot emphasize strongly enough how critically important it is for you to listen to these weekly Ukraine discussions and last night’s episode was no different. Please make the time to give this a thorough listen.
Among the topics covered last evening:
– The inside details of the peace negotiations held last week in Minsk
– A thorough summary of the devastating UAF retreat from Debaltsevo
-The increasing possibility of a coup to depose Ukraine president Poroshenko (and it is this possibility and aftermath that has me most concerned right now)
-The ongoing demonization of Russia and Putin by the war parties of the west
Any bets on what the MPs’ salary numbers will look like by the end of the day ?
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2013/0462/latest/DLM5736806.html
“After the last round of wage rises, authority chairman John Errington warned the gulf between Cabinet ministers and top executives was growing and would be addressed in the next determination.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/66672796/mps-in-line-for-a-pay-rise
Will the Ministerial Salary break the $300,000 mark ? Or will it slip in at $295,000
(allowances taking it closer to $350k+ of course )
+ I’m picking the base MP rate to hit $155,000
and when you think of the incompetent clowns pulling down $300 grand..
(we’re looking at you..!..foss-the-hapless..!..and the minister with the faraway-eyes..!..)
” the gulf between Cabinet ministers and top executives”
I read this line and just about threw up…. a Minister occupies a wholly different role in society than a ceo, different responsibilities, different obligations, different purposes, different organisations, different people, different powers…….
there is no comparison
shit of the horse
And, of course, the employers of MPs don’t get a say in how much we should pay them. I think this should be determined by referendum.
The senators of Rome sit back in their luxurious bubble while the serfs in the provinces slowly starve.
doing the commentaries on q-time means i see the disconnect between how people are suffering..
..and how these fucken clowns spend their days point-scoring against each other..
..seemingly oblivious to the shit so many nz’ers are going thru..
..(and it is not just the fucken tories..!..it is also the useless arse-wipes in give-the-poorest-fuck-all!/no way will we legalise cannabis!..mine/drill/spying on nz’ers’is ok with us!..
..fucken labour..!
..the disconnect is the size of cook straight..
and we know many of them are truly fiddling …
I wonder if Bill English is going to say no thank you since he is so concerned about the growing debt and the need to cut government expenses.
It will be interesting to see if any MP is going to say no thank you.
The PM has answered with the usual pathetic line ‘i don’t want it but my hands are tied’
If the ministers and MP are not paid a good salary how will you get competent managers?
Oh but wait……
How soon before we see a law like this? 🙁
Pesky damn science folk and all their facts pfft who needs that sort of hassle when you are trying to make some bloody money!
http://inhabitat.com/house-passes-bill-that-prohibits-expert-scientific-advice-to-the-epa/
Here’s hoping the veto promise is kept.
Just put down the book Science for Sale – by David L Lewis, a microbiologist who previously worked for the EPA in the 1990’s.
Don’t agree with all his scientific positions – at the end he makes statements about climate change that are not founded in any studies – but the history he outlines about his employment with EPA, and his treatment is very interesting.
Also, he studied the likelihood of infection from endoscopes, and attempted to have the accepted sterilisation of the equipment improved, as current practices not only did not remove all infectious material, practitioners were not even following that.
He suggests that most ethical scientists left or were pushed out in the early 1990s.
The revolving door of corporate execs and government panels is as dangerous as it is extraordinary. Thanks for the tip, will see if the local library has it/can get it in.
I have it from the Auckland City libraries, so it’ll be back in circulation there in the next week or so…
Business don’t like science as it gets in the way of them doing whatever they want. Same can be said of some politicians who only do the bidding of business anyway.
Women are more likely to be religious and so vote more conservatively. Power, money, are harder to obtain for women. So of course conservatives pander to companies and individuals who like them want to stifle change. And hey who wants change. But everyone who loathes change also wants to chase profits and wealth where it enriches themselves, so its not about companies or theists being anti-science, its about hypocrisy, taking the bounty of science and using the wealth created to shout how loathsome science is. You see the history of conservativismis the history of hypocritical lying two faced anti freedom,anti american, anti anything that gets in their way. imho its stupidity but others would call it a opportunity to scare the begeezous out of their comfort fantasies.
Climate change,banking collapses, economics of oil peak, its all revenge on the stupid, and they deserve to have truth spoken to them.
For those of you who have argued the Greeks achieved what they wanted during the recent negotiations here is a reality check
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21644592-deal-struck-extend-bail-out-after-greece-caves-now-syriza-must-answer-its
Viva la revolution indeed.
Nope some of us did not see a revolution in Greece, just a slight shift.
http://libcom.org/blog/alternative-voting-systems-are-no-alternative-21022015
But, into whose arms does this deal push Greece Gossy? Out of the EU, and towards Moscow? I also think the Germans may have just played the fubar play. Austerity is a loss loss solution – the ultimate degenerate play to support greed culture – it’s time as a economic solution appears to be limited – as it’s being exposed for what it is.
You do understand the notion of “war” versus “battle” right Gos?
So it seems to be that muslims do not accept responsibility for jihadists, despite some/many suggesting that they should shoulder more of the responsibility because they share the same religion. And those that do suggest they are more responsible have been pilloried and even fired – evidence the crazy pastor down south http://www.anglicantaonga.org.nz/Features/Extra/Apology
On a few occasions on here last year it was strongly suggested, and accepted by many, that men should shoulder more of the responsibility for the actions of rapists because they share the same gender.
These two things don’t add up it seems. The cogs don’t mesh, the standards vary, the eyes refuse to see, the mind refuse to think ….
Cunliffe is also an example of this confused, mixed-up and wrong-headed thinking, when he apologised for being a man. If he was also a muslim would he have apologised for being a muslim?
So who is right? Both propositions cannot be right.
“On a few occasions on here last year it was strongly suggested, and accepted by many, that men should shoulder more of the responsibility for the actions of rapists because they share the same gender.”
That’s not how I would put it. I would say that men have a particular responsibility that women don’t because its men’s business (how men relate in the world). And I would say that women have been shouldering the burden way more than is ok because in the past men haven’t been taking their responsibilities seriously. So it’s more about evening up the load.
And by men, I mean men collectively. Obviously it varies hugely when it comes to individuals. But essentially we have rape culture, it’s not enough to say that that’s soley about men who rape, it’s about the things that promote rape, and of course men as a class have huge influence on that, including in ways that women don’t.
tl;dr, women are already doing the work, when are men going to step up.
hi weka,
to be blunt, your comments , to me, are reminiscent of the statement (forgive me i do not recall who said it) “all men are rapists” from the ’80s.
“women are already doing the work, when are men going to step up.”
who are raising these men who are doing the raping?
to be blunt, your comments , to me, are reminiscent of the statement (forgive me i do not recall who said it) “all men are rapists” from the ’80s.
Which means that you truly don’t understand what I meant 🙂
(the statement “all men are rapists” is by a fictional character in a novel by Marilyn French. In order to understand why the character said that, you really need to look at it in context. It’s not what you think it is).
“women are already doing the work, when are men going to step up.”
who are raising these men who are doing the raping?
Presumably their parents. Are you suggesting that men rape because of their upbringing?
My statement about women doing the work refers to the women that have been doing the anti-rape work for decades (eg Rape Crisis). Where are the men’s organisations doing this work?
hi weka,
perhaps you are right, i may have got the wrong end of the stick about your comment.
re the all men are rapists, i do recall that line being used (it may have been by a spokesperson from womens refuge) and getting repeated in the media, causing a stir, both because of the provocative nature of the comment and also how it was defended.
it was in a climate where peter ellis was able to be convicted in the chch civic creche case.
i am suggesting that men rape partly because of their upbringings, and i feel it is a lack of parents as opposed to a parent contributes to this.
(a male in the household showing respect to women).
to the best of my knowledge there are a few male groups (manline, court appointed anger management groups), all running on a tenuous shoestring budget. relying on goodwill of volunteers, much like rape crisis, i suspect.
i would also point to groups like scouts and sports teams where civics, self esteem, cooperation are encouraged in our boys/young men.
“So it seems to be that muslims do not accept responsibility for jihadists, despite some/many suggesting that they should shoulder more of the responsibility because they share the same religion.”
I think you are confusing responsibility and blame (which also explains your views in gender). I see Muslims being responsible when their communities work towards reducing fundamentalism. Men can do the same in reducing rape culture. That’s a different thing than Muslims being to blame for jihadists or men being to blame for individual rapists.
The bishop in your link appears to be blaming individuals for other individuals’ actions over which they have no control. He also appears judgemental (Jews should have learned lessons from the holocaust) and hypocritical (why aren’t individual Muslims doing more to prevent their fundamentalists). Hard to tell from such a short article though.
Cunliffe didn’t apologise for being a man. He apologised for the fact that domestic/sexual violence against women is overwhemingly done by men. And then he told men to wake up and man up and start doing the right things.
There is not contradiction between all these things. The bishop was blaming individuals for things outside of their control. Everyone else is saying x, y, z isn’t ok, let’s work collectively to change that.
Mike Hosking must be a wonderful chap. It says so at the “disclaimer” at the bottom of his applause for his hero Key.
” Mike’s insightfulness and knowledge makes him one of New Zealand’s most successful broadcasters.”
Mike Hosking is just another schoolyard loudmouth, it says more about the people that actually listen to his rantings/opinions then what comes out of his mouth.
He’s not credible and only has his presenter/commentator status because people higher up think he’ll attract viewers/listeners to their medium. More punters = more cash in advertising. I’d rather listen to commentators like Rod Oram / Dame Anne Salmond , at least they are credible, can back opinions with researched facts and are not in it for the show.
Mmm, seem to have my grumpy hat on today, again..
Just finding the media more and more disappointing these days and getting sick of pointing out inconsistencies / false truths to friends. Like asking people if they know the full “I’m ashamed to be a man” quote when they bring it up. Once they realise what he actually said in context, opinions change very quickly.
yea and what’s happened to the best journalist /writer in NZ ..Wayne Brittendon?
my little scooter-dog really really loves porridge…(loaded with fruit etc..)
..and he is just getting all waggy…saying ‘thanks..!’..
World’s first grid-connected wave power station switched on in Australia
More renewable energy successfully connected to the grid. Will be interesting to see how this goes.
Not also that that project was only possible due to government support.
It’s a military project. At least they get it.
Creationism in New Zealand schools.
Xians, this is why people don’t trust you: telling lies to four year old children is bearing false witness.
Still think if they going to do this. I should have the opportunity to teach Atheism in schools.
I even have a name for the programme.
Children positivity classes – God is dead, and I killed him.
if there is no god then how could you have killed him?
huum, tricky question that!
Let me guess:
God created everything, including adam (this one, but that one too).
When adam got some ‘education’ and reasoning ‘power’, he became cleverer than God and stronger than God and killed him easily without bullets, just with his own powerful thoughts! Cool ye? God of course disappeared from adam’s life while adam was still alive.
But, (there is always a but! ask PG)
God did not really kick the bugger(strike out!) bucket at all. Having been rejected, He waited patiently for adam to die too, hoping to meet the poor soul once again someday sometime somewhere somehow.
just saying….
Easy. You point out that god was only ever an incorrect belief system that has now been replaced by actual research and facts.
lol – actual research and facts eh – what disproves god?
Disproving the beliefs that surround the god phenomenon. The existence or not of god(s) is immaterial to the human condition.
I would have thought that one was even harder and well beyond ‘easy’ if it could be achieved at all.
No, it’s easy – we’ve already done it after all. The problem is that some people refuse to believe.
Materialists, measurementalists and the acolytes of scientism have always been such a self righteous bunch, in my experience. Forever wanting to force their own beliefs on to others, looking down on those heathen who refuse to adopt the faith, insisting that their way of looking at the universe and all the rich phenomena within it is the one and only way, and declaring knowledge from all other sources and especially from prophets without PhDs false and misleading.
Wow, that makes me think that you lot have a heck of a lot in common with the fundamentalist Christians. You guys should get together and compare notes.
Would you prefer to build a house using measured strengths or just believing that a 4×2 is strong enough to hold up a skyscraper?
Once we have things measured then they’re no longer beliefs. That’s the point. And at that point if you don’t accept them then you’re being delusional.
I have no faith in PhDs. What I do is accept the facts that the research has shown. Creationism has nothing to back it, no research and no observable data. In fact, the observable data precludes Creationism and many other items of faith within religious doctrine.
What other sources of gaining quantifiable knowledge are available?
Ahhhh, the delightful certainty of the measurementalist. (I made the term up myself, it’s actually an offshoot of the managerialism which has plagued western civilisation for the last 20 years).
So, according to your statement, once you have successfully measured something it is transmogrified and becomes sanctified in the faith as a known “fact”.
Such a fascinating belief system you have.
You are treading close to heresy here! Do you dare imply that there are types of knowledge which cannot be quantified (measured)???
+100 CR
It is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful [as a babelfish] could have evolved purely by chance that some have chosen to see it as the final proof of the NON-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:
But, if he gets killed on a zebra crossing, it proves that God does not exist because zebra crossings are definitely meant to stop people dying on zebra crossings.
“what disproves god”
It isn’t about disproving god, god must be proved. Not the other way round.
why?
Burden of proof. The burden rests on the person making the positive assertion not the negative.
Well you need to take that up with draco – he said, “Easy. You point out that god was only ever an incorrect belief system that has now been replaced by actual research and facts.”
Take it up with me. The person making the extraordinary claim: that a god-creature exists in the form they assert (as opposed to the ones people from other countries propose), has to provide the evidence.
Actually, they don’t. unless they foist the performance upon children
When they demand the right to child victims, the crimes act provides the solution. Strangle the last priest with the entrails of the last homeopathist.
Fuck that. Why should someone from a different belief system have to satisfy the tenets of your belief system to be seen as valid.
What children should be taught, and what they will rarely be taught, is how to critically and creatively think about things beyond the realms of materialism and logic.
Homeopath.
By the way, its science and technology which is losing credibility in the world right now, not homeopathy.
🙄
Says an anti-science conspiracy theorist.
“By the way, its science and technology which is losing credibility in the world right now, not homeopathy.”
Bahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahha! Homeopathy is complete horseshit
Just as the complex mechanism of a watch requires a magician to hit it with a mallet, so too the complex nature of the universe requires a roll of multicoloured handkerchieves to surreptitiously unravel…
lol but where did that watch and handkerchiefs (never would have believed that that was how you spell that word but there you go) come from. Anyway my original comment was about the killing god bit – I’m struggling to engage with this stuff tbh
This might help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY
The horologist is the watch’s god…
Existential kicking-around is fun, but largely pointless (other than as a logical exercise). I generally figure that if I wait a few decades (hopefully that long) I’ll find out either way, or not (as the case may be) 🙂
In the meantime, good to live a good, kind and ethical life anyway.
” god must be proved”
Only upon your dead body, like the saying goes. Until then, it is for each one to believe or not whatever one thinks or feels is ‘true’.
Is science the most powerful thing in the universe?
Anyway, as an aside, I have a plan for my dead body and science.
Most powerful? Doubt it.
Most curious and inquisitive? Probably.
Science is great. But no one, including Science, can ever in this life ‘PROVE’ or ‘DISPROVE’ there is a God, if there is a God, who is more powerful and the most powerful of all. Transcending dimensions, if you believe in the scientific theories of dimensions. Beyond the realm of known physics and science.
As an aside, for the curious:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_hyperspace02.htm
Oh you could prove it alright, if only you had evidence of one, (just one) phenomenon with no possibility of rational explanation.
Sixty thousand years, no evidence. Does that make deist mumbo-pocus less credible than 9/11 conspiracy theories much?
May be, by definition of divine and God, you shouldn’t expect any such worldly explanation or proof because God by definition transcends our dimension, reasoning, brain power, science and he/she/it is not of this world. So one has to have faith or a sense of life, soul, God, ethics, morals, conscience….or not.
Is human evolution complete?
OAB, why should anyone bother to submit to you types and categories of evidence that your personal belief system finds acceptable and valid?
How is it that your personal belief system led you to be so totally incurious and close minded? Is this really how science and technology advanced so far over the last 500 years of western civilisation?
How is it that someone like you knows so much better and so much more confidently than scientific geniuses like Einstein and Newton?
Well, Einstein’s work superceded Newton’s, and when he said “God does not play dice”, he was wrong, as delayed choice quantum erasure demonstrates.
That said, it’s pretty clear from your comment that you haven’t the first idea what I’m talking about. Again. Thus you twist my words into a new shape all your own.
In the first place I’m not asking you to submit evidence. I couldn’t give a toss about the brainless witterings of an anti-science fundie.
Secondly, I’m simply observing that if all phenomena are explicable by “natural” causes, there’s no room for miracles, and your sky fairy is just as bound by universal laws as the rest of us.
As for incurious, fuck off Tat.
Clem, there are masses of things that are “beyond the realm of known physics and science.”
Some, like out-of-body experiences, are replicable and as yet unexplained. Others, like dark matter, are areas of pure conjecture arising from observed phenomena.
This is called “the god of the gaps” – asserting that deity exists in the unknown, and then finding that the unknown keeps getting smaller.
Transcendental experiences lead deists to assert deity, and yet some of the oldest books in the world explain such things as evidence that everything is connected, and urge us to “trust in our senses”, while explicitly denying the existence of gods.
Meanwhile, religion is an accident of birth. Perhaps I’d be more accepting had I been born a Viking.
With my “logical paradox disruptor cannon”.
single shot or rapid fire?
a couple of shots, then 15 minutes to reload.
“Children positivity classes – God is dead, and I killed him.”
Attaboy, get in with the fundamentalism while they’re so impressionable.
This one was disturbing
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/66533678/playground-preacher-upsets-parents
What they really think.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/idaho-republican-backs-faith-healer-parents-if-i-want-to-let-my-child-be-with-god-why-is-that-wrong/
This is worth a look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiHRVb_uE0
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) makes recommendations for
routine vaccination of adults in the United States
http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/nvac/reports/nvacstandards.pdf
http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-government-moves-on-nationwide-adult-vaccination/5432582?print=1
Q. How much control could the pharmaceutical companies and those behind them gain from a medical dictatorship ?
A. 🙄
A2. probably not nearly as much as they’d get from treating an unvaccinated population
Smackdown! Use the chair! Actually, stuff the chair, use the pre-frontal lobotomy; it’s not like anyone will notice the difference.
….and punch the silly little docy face between the rolling eyes
🙄
Hope the computer screen is sturdy !
+1 there McFlock!
Q. So you are in favour of the direction this indicates doc ?
A. I’m concerned that the Blackcaps game plan for Saturday might be too dependent on a top of the order blitz.
Not a “medical dictatorship”, a corporate dictatorship. Hence the TTPA. If the government introduces regulations which limit the use of, and hence the profitability of, a given drug, corporations have the rights to get those regulations re-examined and potentially rescinded.
Do you still entertain the notion we might sign up to that?
It is a real and present danger, yes.
+100 Murphey
Yep. I have appreciated a lot of the material and links that The Murphey has pointed out.
Interesting stuff in Holland.
Student protesters – showing some defiance.
http://libcom.org/blog/student-protests-escalating-amsterdam-25022015
interesting coming from Holland….usually it is France with the student protests
fail newkeyland
http://www.amnesty.org.nz/news/new-zealand-rejects-international-recommendations-address-inequality
fix our issues up here before making worse issues for others.
+100 ….good points
http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/66672796/10k-payrise-tipped-for-Backbench-MPs
Shit I’m in the wrong job I got $15 a week extra this year ..
It’s because they deserve it….right???
It’s a tuff job no doubt but they seem to get pretty big raises fairly often, I’d have a crack for 100k . not sure which party would have me though.:-)
I notice our leader is making a bit of political hay going round saying he doesn’t want it but can’t do anything about it , funny he seems to be able to change laws when it suits him.
Steve Keen: Rethinking Economics at the London School of Economics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhGEhv8Z_CU&feature=em-subs_digest
strange in a stranger land
give the kid an overdose, pump his stomach and the charge the parents for the pumping ffs
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11408317
yeah that seems a bit like a panelbeater smashing your windscreen and charging you for the new one…
No McFlock it has to be more personal and intimate than that. It’s like a hospital that amputated your leg wrongly, and then charged you for the surgery and the legal counsel they needed to answer your complaint.
The mother said she commented on the size of the syringe for the little boy, you would have thought it would have prompted a check by the nurse who was either distracted, rushing, or robotic. 85 mils instead of, appropriate for the child/s weight, a tenth or a hundredth of that.
Just putting one aspect of it it in more identifiable terms. Frankly, I’m intrigued that he was billed for the cost of their misconduct, in addition to being concerned that the misconduct occurred in the first place.
I’ve no idea what it’s like to have a limb amputated, correct one or otherwise.
The bit that concerns me in that article is this:
Which tends to indicate that they were using hand-written documentation and that is just not acceptable. Some peoples handwriting is just simply unreadable and so we need to remove that from the equation.
>>T he nurses discussed that it was a large dose but neither checked with the anaesthetist.
I wonder if there was a feeling of we mustn’t appear stupid by the nurses?
And won’t ACC cover the expense as it was a medical mistake?
Sorry, but the likelihood of the error was a pre-existing condition.
@ In vino
+1
If unsure, ask. I wonder why they didn’t? Only takes 5 mins to confirm a dose…
How to rid NZ of pests, rodents etc, drugs that irreparable cause rodents to miscarry would lead to a aging pop who could not reproduce.
While Key talks about the Iraq deployment being the ‘price of the club’, it will be ordinary people in Iraq who pay that price not people like him or his kids (can anyone imagine Max or Stephanie Key on the frontline?)
Veteran anti-imperialist activist Don Franks on the deployment:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/war-pigs/
The General Theory of Employment by J Keynes
It’s a shorter, more easily read version of The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money
it wd seem the green party male co-leadership contest is now a two-horse race..
http://whoar.co.nz/2015/new-zealand-parliament-list-of-questions-for-oral-answer-thursday-26-february-2015/
I was disappointed by the much talked about Shaw. What was with the shiny suit, more fitting for the ACT party, the fit was terrible. This guy is a non event and should be kept to making Norman’s morning coffee. It will be the Nat/Greens if this guy is made co leader.
i am aware he is a rightwinger..and dresses/looks like a young-tory-spiv..(think simon bridges..)
..and wd leap at the chance of a coalition with the tories…
..(and that if he did that..it wd cause the green party to implode..)
..and that he is most probably the most rightwing green party member in the country..
..i am not endorsing him..
..just pointing out that he was competent in his questioning of joyce..(who doesn’t usually divert from serial-sneering at any questioners..)
..and that it is likely a two-horse race between him and hague..
..(but if you watched the encounter between shaw and joyce..and thought shaw didn’t do ok..
..yr ideological-lenses are clearly affecting yr judgement-calls..)
I just think it was average at best, considering he wants to be leader. The other bloke has better creds although mollyhawk Hughes still fancies his chances.
i agree that dr no should get it..
..and hughes has the unfortunate-blessing/curse of a young/baby-face..
..and as one similarly cursed/blessed i can tell him he can console himself with the fact he will appreciate that more and more..the older he gets..(heh..!)
..when all the craggy-faced ones are looking like shit..he won’t..
..but as for gravitas..?..nah..!..
..he always seems so ‘perky’..
..and he does try just a little bit too much/hard..
@ In vino
+1
i was very impressed with Shaw’s end of year speech to parliament ….is he really, really a right winger?
….I mean can Shaw be more right wing and wissey wussy than the Little Labour Party putting in Shearer instead of Norman or Metiria Turei on the spy committee …..and taking paid advice from right wing journalist David Cohen?…pot calling kettle black?
….really what is needed for the Green Party is someone with the charisma and abilities of Shaw to sock it to John Key Nactional…Shaw does have this ability
…it has to be proven Shaw is a right winger and worse than the Labour Party before he is discounted imo…where is the proof ? I say…or is it just a smear campaign against someone with considerable ability who really can stick it to both Nactional and Little Labour ?
Shaw is getting extremely experienced help from strong and longtime right activists.
Shaw might want to post here to prove such fears wrong.
+100 Ad….yes I for one would be very interested to see Shaw’s real colours flying from the mast…he must come clean as to where he stands if he expects to get the Green vote for co-leadership…and he must be held to account to be true to his word
…sometimes people who come from the right of the spectrum ( either by birth or education privilege or profession position) are nevertheless true democrats and Lefties eg Tony Benn ….so it does not pay to right them off without evidence…the Greens need the best and truest person for the job
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jan/15/tony-benn-saw-ttip-coming-70s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Benn
@ Ad re your statement: “Shaw is getting extremely experienced help from strong and longtime right activists”
….where is the EVIDENCE?!
….we have evidence Little and Labour got paid advice/help from right wing journalist David Cohen…the same journalist who dissed and smeared Hone Harawira?
Did anyone else notice in Parliament yesterday, when Key was questioned about the Lui donation dinner, he said he was there in his capacity as leader of the National Party! Wearing another hat again, other than that of PM!
Key gets caught out time and time again, yet nothing happens to him! Who or what is protecting him?
When is this SOB going to trip up?
,i>”when Key was questioned about the Liu donation dinner, he said he was there in his capacity as leader of the National Party!”
Yeah right!
If any one, any one at all, believes that Liu invited Key as the leader of National party and not because he is Prime Minister, then such a person is not only an idiot, but a stupid idiot.
And is Liu such a nice innocent man that he would invite Key and his little boy Ross, to eat some dumplings and stuff, without having any ulterior dodgy motives like cash for favours? If yes, he should be knighted if not cannonaded as our very first Saint of Aotearoa NZ, along with Key and Jamie. Three in one, like the three way handshake for the troty. Cool bananas!
The Phantom Underclass
That article mentions a study that shows that even poor people think that there are people who are work shy. The study couldn’t find these work shy people though.
Right wingers going batshit crazy on Twitter in 1936;
Sean Hannity & co. freaking out about Triumph des Willens‘ Oscar loss
Salon, February 23, 1936
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/23/sean_hannity_and_others_freaking_out_about_american_snipers_oscar_loss/
Divisive film Triumph des Willens took home a single Academy Award on Sunday night. Naturally, Sean Hannity and others were quick to come up with their reasons why this movie, which is about their favorite politician, did not nab top honors: “liberal Hollywood.”
Hannity took to Twitter to share this “hot take.” Here were the right’s reactions to Triumph des Willens‘ loss:
Sean Hannity: Triumph des Willens snubbed by liberal hwood Predictable. #CluelessOscars
6:07 PM – 23 Feb 1936
Terri Green @TerriGreenUSA
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Hey @TheAcademy from Americans all over this county you know who won at the Box Office? Triumph des Willens
6:12 PM – 23 Feb 1936
Ernesto @Liberty4480
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#Oscars1936 snub of #TriumphDesWillens is as bad as giving #wilson #NobelPeacePrize. Not surprised w #Hollywood #liberalbias #tcot #p2
6:12 PM – 23 Feb 1936
Brandon Morse @TheBrandonMorse
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Don’t worry about #TriumphDesWillens not winning an Oscar folks. It already won the award for best MUTHA FUCKIN MONAY! #Oscars1936
7:17 PM – 23 Feb 1936
Spencer Hawes ✔ @spencerhawes00
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Triumph des willens got absolutely robbed imho. Incredible story of an even more incredible man. #RIPHorstWessel
6:10 PM – 23 Feb 1936
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/23/sean_hannity_and_others_freaking_out_about_american_snipers_oscar_loss/
Triumph des Willens (1935) – Triumph of the Will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHs2coAzLJ8
what is barker whining about..?
..he helmed the biggest-choke in nz sporting-history..
He sure did. This taxpayer gravy train has to stop. $100 million feeds a lot of kids. How on earth kiwi’s are easily conned is beyond me, the egotistical captains of industry must be laughing their heads off.
Bullshit they were out walleted the yanks did shit to there boat that was’nt covered under the rules , the fact that the holders w
right the rules is problem.
Team NZ were outsailed and Barker should have been fired long ago.
So if you don’t win you get sacked in you’re world ,I’m guessing you’re a key voter with that attitude.
Its not a union. He’s not a cleaner.
Its a multimillionaire’s play world. He’s paid to win. He didn’t.
Bet he’s been turning down big money offers from other syndicates for years to sail for nz.
when you’re a 3 time loser ,you really should change your name to…second.
Hi Phillip Ure,
Your opinion may carry some weight if you were to become a productive member of our society.
How many years now have you been sucking on the public tit ?
When did you last do an honest days work and receive a pay check ?
C’mon Phil, tell us, what year was it when you were last paid for honest work ?
Cricko, we live in a society predicated on a unchanging pool of the unemployed that keeps wages down, workers subservient and poverty permanent. The real question isn’t about Phil, it’s about you. If you’re that fucken clever, why don’t you offer Phil a job?
Hi te reo putake,
I’m personaly not in a position to offer Phil Ure a job.
However, people must apply for a job in order to be offered a job.
Thats the way it normaly works.
A bludger who sits on his arse, pontificates upon the shortfalls of others, and is happy to believe that his fellow citizens owe him, is never likely to apply for a job.
Ask your mate Phillip Ure what year was it when he last even applied for a job.
Get my point ?
Nope. You’re pointless. I think there is a lot to be said about the dignity of work, but equally, I have no problem with those who aren’t, or can’t, be a model worker. Phil annoys me regularly, but I have more respect for him than I’ll ever have for you.
What have I done to earn your disrespect ?
What has Phil Ure done to earn your respect?
How do you feel about those who could work but don’t and choose to be bludgers, just because they can ?
Do they have your respect ?
There’s a search function up on the right hand side. Enter ‘cricko’ and you’ll see why you haven’t earned my respect. Phil ‘works’, just not for someone else and (unless he’s taken the casino’s coin 😉 ) not for profit. From what little I know of him, I think he probably could do a ‘job’, but I know nothing about his circumstances, where he lives, what job options there are in his community.
Phil seems to me to very capable of holding down a job, but everything I know about how WINZ are geared to punishment these days suggests to me that there must be valid reasons why that’s not an option.
If you want to stand in judgement, then more fool you.
You’re assuming all people are put together the same and can deal with getting up in the morn to go do something that in a lot of cases is drudgery
I give Mr Ure a bit of stick on occasion but the world is a richer place with people in it that refuse to bow down to the norm.
I’d rather a few of my tax dollars go to him than fucking sky city.
b waghorn
You can’t be serious.
So, if tomorrow I decide I can’t deal with going to work any longer to support my family because it’s just drudgery.
Then thats OK with you and you’ll pay for me and my family because I make the world a richer place ?
How can I get in contact with you, because I’ve had a gutsfull of working. And I hate Sky City,
Your a bit of a twister of words I doubt people decide they can’t deal with stuff .
cricko
Everyone has something useful to do in society. For you it is working at some job that you can manage. For somebody else it is coping with an chronic illness and working when there is work available that that person can do. If they are using their brain to think and communicate information that is helpful to society, then that could be the best thing that they can do.
You obviously have trouble understanding how society works and how people’s
needs and abilities differ and you want simple answers, so stick to doing simple jobs that you can manage.
Jobs are way overrated.
People should be supported to do worthwhile work, for themselves, for their communities, and for NZ however.
+100 CR
WTF is a “pay check”?
It’s a fucking Americanism is what it is, like “full spectrum dominance” and “total information awareness” and all the other lovely things they’ve brought to the language.
Ok, I meant pay ‘cheque’
Big point scored by Saarbo,
maybe the first ever.
Well done Saarbo.
Your as smart as a tack.
Huge win.
Bet it made your week.
Since when did becoming a wage slave become such a point of pride???
+100 CR…what about all the creative people out there…and the caregivers?
hey cricko,
can i reccomend a couple of looks on you tube at guy standings lectures.
he highlights (amongst other things) how tories see the monetary system as rewarding ‘good’ people and punishing’bad’ people.
ie if you have money you are ok.
he also points at the lack of empathy or compassion that right wing folk show.
also the need for a ubi ( an idea supported by hard right folk such as milton friedman).
please have a look, its ok to be a tory, honest.
phillip is a very productive member of society …it is just that he doesn’t get enough money for it…we need a UBI
http://www.bigkahuna.org.nz/universal-basic-income.aspx
Oh piss off there isn’t enough work to go around, what with slave import labour, zero hours work. Obviously Phil is making a sacrifice so others can at least say they are working to idiots like you. Thanks Phil.
i hafta say i am humbled by the words of support from all..chrs..
..(and i wanta know how the hell can i lay into waghorn again..?
..when he/she has said something both intelligent and civilised..
..he/she has messed with my assumptions..)
i am watching top gear..
st petersburg is a very cool looking city…
City of Shadows: http://www.alexeytitarenko.com/
Nice work there!
Baltic definitely next big tour.
a heads-up for david mitchell fans (old and new..)
..he is on a new show on tvone @ 10 pm..
..called ‘was it something i said?’…
It was very good. As was the New Zealand comedy show before it.