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Open mike 28/04/2014

Written By: - Date published: 6:31 am, April 28th, 2014 - 246 comments
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246 comments on “Open mike 28/04/2014”

  1. mickysavage 1

    Over the next couple of weeks the country is going to witness significant stockpiling of synthetic drugs by individuals, many of them young. No doubt use will go up for a while until personal stashes are used up.

    Who should be blamed for this? Peter Dunne and the government. They could have let Labour make its announcement, which obviously needed a positive government response for it to be effective, and released their response much closer to the next sitting day. They would have suffered some political embarrassment. Instead they decided to make the announcement early for political gain.

    Shame on them.

      • aerobubble 1.1.1

        There’s an easy way to fill the gap. Marijuana pills. They are safe. Take some weed stock pile at the Police station, turn them into pills.

        Oh, that would be the sane way forward, but the legal high industry are making far too much money and must be protected.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 1.2

      “Do you really think the government would have given you a victory on this?”

      National Party tr0ll and Associate Minister of Harm Peter Dunne.

    • Draco T Bastard 1.3

      Instead they decided to make the announcement early for political gain.

      But at least they gave the shop owners plenty of warning to get rid of their stocks so that they won’t lose any money on them. /sarc.

      • Mainlander 1.3.1

        Whats more shocking is Cunliffe pretending to have policy on banning legal highs the same day as its announced Dunne is shutting them down, DC is shameless

        • Draco T Bastard 1.3.1.1

          Oh, get your head out of your arse. Labour obviously had the policy long before Dunne did and Dunne was obviously reacting to what Labour were doing.

    • freedom 1.4

      So to avoid a period of panic buying that would only occur if there was knowledge that an amendment to the law was coming, Peter Dunne announces an amendment to the law is coming. If they had held off the announcement of the amendment until the amendment was passed then the panic buying would never occur. Pure reactionary games from the Government to Labour’s announcement. Then there is the questionable use of Parliamentary urgency to play games with your vote. All in all, pretty sickening

    • Tinfoilhat 1.5

      Couldn’t Dunne just have phone Cunliffe and told him what was in the pipeline and to hold off on his announcement until just before parliament reopened or is that too obvious a solution for dunne to think of ?

      • Pete George 1.5.1

        I wondered that too but it’s politics in election year rather than common sense at play.

        Stephen J said last night:

        I don’t think this is our finest hour, to be honest. We should be aspiring to evidence based policy that aims at harm minimisation. There has been a moral panic based on nothing more than a few horror stories in the press.

        It’s worth reading Stephen’s other comment as well. He’s not quite right, it’s the Psychoactive Substances Regulatory Authority that “may, at any time, by notice in the Gazette, revoke an approval of a psychoactive product granted under section 37 if the Authority considers on reasonable grounds that the product poses more than a low risk of harm to individuals using the product.”

        http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2013/0053/latest/DLM5043062.html

        But instead we have politicians, as Ross Bell at the Drug Foundation said, “playing silly buggers”. I haven’t heard any suggestions yet on how the addiction problems will be addressed, especially as supply of synthetic highs goes underground.

        • mickysavage 1.5.1.1

          You did not answer my question Pete. Dunne had three options:

          Consider Labour’s proposal and do nothing.
          Consider Labour’s proposal and agree to enact it urgently later on so there is only a short time for stockpiling.
          For political advantage announce a change early to try and head off Labour’s announcement even though it will mean there is increased stockpiling.

          So what do you think of Dunne’s choice?

          • Pete George 1.5.1.1.1

            He had more options than that. For example he could have put evidence based decisions ahead of reactive politics. Perhaps he has but it hasn’t looked like it.

            I don’t think Dunne has handled it well. He was dragged out of his comfort zone by Campbell last week and has been bombarded by mayors, parents and probably by some Government MPs.

            And he seems to have reacted politically to a political play by Labour. No credit to either side there, but as others have said Dunne is ultimately responsible for what happens with this, he’s the Minister.

            It’s not a disaster, yet. We’ll have to wait and see if the ban bandwagon works and if the expected and unintended consequences are manageable and are not any worse than the situation we have now.

            • vto 1.5.1.1.1.1

              You don’t have to wonder and wait PG, there is ample evidence of what happens when bans and prohibition are put in place.

              That is what will happen.

            • freedom 1.5.1.1.1.2

              “And he seems to have reacted politically to a political play by Labour.”

              I find it hilarious that in an Election period you try to criticise Labour for releasing Policy.

              lame lame lame you are,
              spinning in a dream
              terribly terribly terribly wrong
              your drivel makes us scream

              and another has week gone by,
              so how is the Budget for Poor People coming along Pete ?

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Not even wrong: deliberately dishonest at every level. No purpose other than conscious disruption.

                Do not feed the tr0ll.

            • Disraeli Gladstone 1.5.1.1.1.3

              Peter Dunne also could have quoted an anonymous source that blamed synthetic cannabis on single mothers, but only so people could debate the point and not that he believed it.

              Eh?

              • Over-reactions here are to be expected but where it mattered the point was acknowledged and understood by Kelvin. He was one of the few prepared to think and discuss.

                • Disraeli Gladstone

                  I read Kelvin’s response as the biggest eye-roll but knowing he’s soon an MP and shouldn’t engage in internet fights.

                  He basically acknowledged the exact same thing I did yesterday and then stopped to not look like an internet troll.

                  Which as of yesterday, I can only assume you are.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  Yes, the number is becoming vanishingly small. Soon you’ll be on your own :D

                • NZFemme

                  Kevin’s response to you was as follows:

                  ” Mate, no violence is acceptable by any gender towards any gender, but if you think that some bloke smacking over the missus all comes down to his solo mother beating the crap out of him when he was a toddler you are a fool. The reasons for sexual, physical and emotional abuse are many and varied, and I’m not going to change the whole world, but as a man I can stand up and tell men to keep their bloody fists to themselves and their dicks in their pants.”

                  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kelvin-Davis/776784779020038?fref=ts

                  Perhaps your ongoing obsession to somehow be “relevant” is what blinds you to your utter irrelevancy and how people actually view you. i.e. A fool. Or perhaps you simply have a masochistic streak, and enjoy public humiliation.

                  • I’ve had other communication with Kevin. He’s willing to listen and engage, which is a good sign.

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    You’re right Weka. Pete George is a habitual relentless liar.

                    • Says a habitual relentless liar.

                    • weka

                      Was that a habitual lie Pete?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Link or it didn’t happen.

                    • Is that a joke or unintentional irony? Very funny anyway.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Oh, you need examples? “He was one of the few who was prepared to think and discuss” “I’m working with the Greens” “Bill is trying to choke discussion” “Micky Savage has been well briefed”.

                      That’s just off the top of my head. The full picture, your body of work as a whole, gives a far more rounded account. Deliberate, calculated dishonesty, every single day, and you don’t have to take my word for it: anyone can see it to draw their own conclusions.

            • Clemgeopin 1.5.1.1.1.4

              So do you think that dunne should take responsibility for his ineptness, show some integrity and honour and resign immediately?

              • Why? The Bill passed through Government 119-1 votes last year. It was working much as many people expected it to work. The number of products wee substantially reduced, the number of outlets were substantially reduced. It’s been reported that ED harm has reduced.

                Labour have just seen fit to announce an urgent amendment yesterday – why not a month ago? Six months ago?

                Should David Cunliffe resign immediately? If it’s been such a problem for so long why hasn’t he done anything about it until now?

                • Ant

                  No one would have expected Dunne to be that inept with its implementation, a new low of incompetence even for him.

                  I suppose it gave sonny-boy a good chance to cash a few cheques in the process though…

                • Ant

                  Oh and the supposed reduction in ED harm was based on claims by the MoH based on anecdotal reports, perhaps you should FACTCHECK that.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 1.5.1.1.2

            :roll:

            Every syllable dripping with bad faith and deceit. No life-signs at Politicheck.

          • Jim in Tokyo 1.5.1.1.3

            Dunne had three options

            He had more options than that.

            I’m afraid that Pete George has it right on this one, a truly strange state of affairs and one which just goes to show how quickly sensible people lose their heads once a good’ol media fueled drug panic sets in.

            I believe the correct option would have been for Dunne to make some appearances explaining the legislation (it’s pretty clear that most of the people commenting on these threads could do with a refresher) and reiterating that as soon as some evidence of adverse effects is collected through the medical practitioner reporting scheme, the offending substances will have their interim licenses revoked on a case by case basis as per the original intention of the law.

            Of course there’s a strong chance that Dunne’s branch of the ministry botched the implementation of the legislation and that the adverse effects reports are piling up on some understaffed public service desk. In which case the opposition could have dined out on “Dunne killed my Kid” headlines from now until the election. But that would have taken the opposition to show the guts to stand behind the original legislation they all voted for.

            I think anyone who has ever smugly dropped a [citation needed] on a right winger should take a deep breath, do some background reading on the 2013 Psychoactive Substances Act, and take a moment to reflect on this clusterfuck.

            http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/regulation-health-and-disability-system/psychoactive-substances

            • mickysavage 1.5.1.1.3.1

              I believe the correct option would have been for Dunne to make some appearances explaining the legislation (it’s pretty clear that most of the people commenting on these threads could do with a refresher) and reiterating that as soon as some evidence of adverse effects is collected through the medical practitioner reporting scheme, the offending substances will have their interim licenses revoked on a case by case basis as per the original intention of the law.

              I agree with you Jim that on the face of it the system looked like it was reasonably robust and should have been able to handle problem drugs. But I cannot reconcile what was happening on the ground with what the Health Ministry thought was happening. There may be a big pile of reported adverse effects sitting on a desk somewhere waiting for a damn back office public servant to deal with but for whatever reason the legislation was not working.

              • “The Authority has received anecdotal reports demonstrating the number of severe presentations to emergency departments has reduced since the Act came in.”

                Nicola Kean, a producer for The Nation, asked the Ministry of Health last week:

                “What’s the trend (if any) for people presenting at A+E for problems with psychoactive substances since the law was introduced?”

                A written reply on Thursday said:

                “While it is early days the Authority has received anecdotal reports demonstrating the number of severe presentations to emergency departments has reduced since the Act came in.

                The Authority monitors approved products received from the Centre for Adverse Reactions Monitoring (CARM), and calls from the public to the National Poisons Centre on a regular basis.

                These reports also show a reduction in the number of severe issues being reported. Where severe adverse reactions are reported the Authority has the power to act and has already removed products from the market where reports to CARM identified they posed more than a low risk of harm”.

                So again the evidence is only anecdotal, but the official line was that if anything reports of severe harm caused by legal highs was DOWN since the law was introduced.

                Only it made for bad optics; the public didn’t like what it saw. The political risk to the government became too high. Hence the de facto ban via councils becomes a temporary ban via a government-mandated product recall.

                http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/legal-highs-leave-mps-dazed-confused

                This suggests that harm has been actually reducing, the visible impact has just been concentrated around the far fewer retail outlets.

                Politicians seem to have been spooked by bad publicity and are set to change something that appeared to be working more or less as intended.

                Sure, any drug harm is bad, but I’m not sure that ditching an approach that seems to have been working is the best approach, including for election jitters.

                • mickysavage

                  Ok …

                  You still have not answered my previous question. Dunne’s announcement smacks entirely of political expediency. If he was serious about a ban and on there being no stockpiling he would have held off from his announcement.

                  So I am waiting for you to say that his decision was wrong and that the timing is cynical politics.

                  And instead of saying they are all wrong just remember that Labour are in opposition and do not have the power to change the law.

                  • I don’t agree with Dunne’s decision, time will tell if it was wrong or not. And I don’t think he’s presented himself well, there does seem to be political expediency involved (but not entirely).

                    It also seems that Key is onside with him. I don’t know what sort of advice he’s getting, MP or polling seems most likely.

                    Labour haven’t handled it well either but I agree they have less responsibility.

                    The NZ First response was awful from Lole-Taylor.

                    I have seen one MP so far who gets it and has responded sensible. @KevinHague

                    Interim prohibition will fuel black market, increase harm, make treatment harder and may undermine full regime. #119-1

                    just saying a visible, regulated drug market is vastly preferable to an underground, uncontrolled one.

                    Even from opposition it’s possible to talk sense.

                    • freedom

                      “Labour haven’t handled it well either but I agree they have less responsibility.”

                      Remembering Pete, this discussion is about current events, not last year’s votes in the House or a press conference from Chesapeake circa 1908.

                      The current events are (in case you get confused) are as simple as 1,2,3:

                      1 April 22: Cabinet made a decision to introduce a new amendment and planned to abuse Parliamentary process yet again when parliament resumes, it is reported most likely to occur on May 8 .

                      2 April 27: Labour announced it was about to release some policy, you know as political parties are asked to do before before an Election.

                      3 April 27: 20 minutes after Labour’s press release, Dunne had a brainfart

                      So you said

                      Labour haven’t handled it well either but I agree they have less responsibility.

                      Remembering that I am unlikely to be a Labour voter, so really don’t have a dog in this fight, my question is this:
                      What does Labour have to defend?
                      What could they or should they have done better, exactly?

                      Specifics please. i.e: not in Petey-speak if you would be so kind.

              • Skinny

                Meanwhile Key out smarts us with ‘the delay was due to the animal testings issue rodents yes, but rabbits umm nah’. End result thanks for coming we will mop up these soft animal rights votes. Simple & smoothly played again!

            • Bill 1.5.1.1.3.2

              Correct me if I’ve got this wrong. But since synthetic substances are able to be tweaked at the molecular level, any banned substance invariably just comes back around in a tweaked form.

              Way I see it is that there are possibly going to be severe repercussions from withdrawal symptoms for many users. And banning these piles of shite, without legalising the natural product they’re an alternative to, is a hiding to nothing.

              So, ban them. But make absolutely damned sure that withdrawal services are up to speed and in place first. (They are currently fucking woefully inadequate).

              And, don’t just legalise the drug we’ve used for thousands of years, but encourage the development of different strains vis a vis the ratio of THC to other cannabinoids present. (The reason for that last bit is that the ratio determines the experience in the user. If I’d the time, I’d hunt out the study where subjects were given pure THC and then another cannabinoid and the reactions compared. The conclusion was that THC ‘out of whack’ with other balancing ingredients was responsible for feelings of debilitating paranoia in the subjects tested)

              • Draco T Bastard

                But since synthetic substances are able to be tweaked at the molecular level, any banned substance invariably just comes back around in a tweaked form.

                Which is why we need a blanket ban.

                But make absolutely damned sure that withdrawal services are up to speed and in place first.

                Considering that our addiction health services weren’t up to scratch to start with I suspect bringing them up to scratch would be damn near impossible in a reasonable amount of time especially for a once off surge. People are going to hurt – not much we can do about that now.

                And, don’t just legalise the drug we’ve used for thousands of years, but encourage the development of different strains vis a vis the ratio of THC to other cannabinoids present.

                Putting standards in place would be part of the legalisation process.

              • weka

                Bill, yes, this is why herbal medicines in the form of the whole plant affect the body quite differently than drugs made from parts of the plant. In that sense cannabis is a safer drug thatn legal highs.

                I heard a bit of the discussion on nine to noon this morning, and I do think that many people don’t realise that this is about the synthesised outside of the whole plant issue AND there is other shit in the high too (eg amphetamines). I’m guessing that makes withdrawal nasty not least because no-one know what is being detoxed.

                I’m also not sure that cannabis would work as a replacement to prevent withdrawal, except where it is a pleasure inducing drug to soften the blow ie the cell receptors for cannabis are different than those for speed etc. I totally agree that cannabis should be legalised first though, or at least be made available on prescription to people who have been using legal highs.

                Re the ban and why they thought they couldn’t ban before (tweaking turnaround is a matter of weeks or a few months). Why not just ban sale of any synthetic substance being sold as a psychoactive, unless the substance is registered and deemed safe?

                “but encourage the development of different strains vis a vis the ratio of THC to other cannabinoids present.”

                I think there are many people in NZ waiting in the wings for decriminalisation who will be more than happy to release their special strains.

                • Bill

                  Why not just ban sale of any synthetic substance being sold as a psychoactive…

                  Just off the top of my head, I’d imagine there is plenty of leeway for manufacturing a substance for sale that is not psychoactive until you add or do ‘x, y or z’ to it.

                  Or to manufacture a product that has dual use, and selling it, ostensibly on its benign, non-psychotropic use.

                  Just legalise natural recreational drugs we have used for thousands of years – all of them – and provide high quality, non-alarmist info for users and potential users within a regime that ensures high levels of purity.

                  Won’t solve the problem of people using synthetics if they want to, but the incentive would be (I think) largely gone. I mean – they’re manufactured to mimic the effects of age old recreational drugs, no? So why punt for second rate chemical trash when you can get the real McCoy? Some will, but hey…

                  • politikiwi

                    I’ve had a lot of people say to me “The only reason I use legal highs over cannabis is that there’s no chance of a life-destroying conviction.”

                    It’s anecdotal, but it tells me a lot about the mindset of users.

                    Keeping cannabis illegal is doing more harm than good.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 1.5.2

        No need: Labour isn’t the government. It was Minister Dunne’s announcement that did the damage.

      • Draco T Bastard 1.5.3

        Of course not, that would have required that there be something in the pipeline.

      • aerobubble 1.5.4

        Unlikely. Dunne is damaged goods. Key needs to protect him at all costs. Another of Dunne’s high points in politics comes down in a shambles. Dunne needs help. Send to rehab.

    • Jim Nald 1.6

      A bloody cock-up by the government. Absolutely outrageous.

      • The Al1en 1.6.1

        The best thing, apart from finally getting the synth rubbish out of our shopping precincts, is the total humiliation deservedly heaped on Dunne.
        Claiming for more than a year and a half that nothing could be done about the products, only for the cabinet to cut him off at the knees and totally undermine him with the upcoming total ban policy announcement.

        Dunne’s biggest anti kiwi failure yet and a fitting political legacy of a career of incompetence and self serving bauble chasing.
        I hope he never gets to be forgotten as the minister who did so much damage to NZ society.

      • alwyn 1.6.2

        Damn right it is.
        The Government could have announced it when they agreed to do it, two weeks ago I understand. Instead they tried to bring it in in a well-organised way, only to have it leak to an ignorant opposition who decided to jump in and claim the credit for something they were stealing from another parties policies.
        Oh well, what can one expect. The Labour Party hasn’t had an original idea since about 1988..

        • Draco T Bastard 1.6.2.1

          Oh, BS. Neither PD nor National had any plans around it two weeks ago. They learned that Labour was going to make an announcement and, due to the fact that they’ve been getting torn about their inaction on this, panicked.

        • Lanthanide 1.6.2.2

          On the radio this morning Key admitted the cabinet decided on Tuesday. That is 6 days ago, not 2 weeks.

          • The Al1en 1.6.2.2.1

            And since then Dunne been on TV saying he did his best and nothing else could be done about it. In anyone’s book that’s called being hung out to dry.

            To be fair, Dunne does flappy wet really well, so all seasons flag maybe a new career opportunity for him post election.

          • alwyn 1.6.2.2.2

            You are right, I misread Dunne’s press release.

            The decision appears to have been made a week earlier, not two weeks. I read Dunne’s statement and confused the statement that they would “be banned within two weeks” with the one week since Cabinet had agreed to the proposal.

            Gee, my mistake is at least as serious as DC claiming his Grandfather was a war Hero I suppose.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 1.6.2.2.2.1

              His grandfather and his great-uncle. Get it right.

              • Get it right.

                His grandfather served and received service medals. Heroism unknown.
                His great uncle served and was awarded a Military Medal for valour (and will have received service medals).

                • mickysavage

                  Are there any other members of Cunliffe’s extended family dead or alive that you want to insult for political purposes?

                • lprent

                  One of my grandparents and many of my extended cousins of his generation were in WW2. Most of them have medals and I was astonished about what they were when I went to the war memorial museum to figure out what they were.

                  None of them would tell me a damn thing until after I’d been in the army. My great-aunts and other family who did tell me about those bits of ribbon and metal were dead wrong.

                  Such is life and the veracity verbal family histories. A rather pointless wankfest for useless gunwaving fools like Cameron.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  :roll:

                  War heroes, you petty asshole. And fuck off – I’m not interested in any response you might vomit up, because you embody deceit and bad faith like a maggot embodies decay.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 1.6.2.3

          “I understand”.

          No, you don’t.

          Where did you get the mistaken impression that the decision was made two weeks ago? Have you been duped, or did you invent that all on your own?

          Either way you’re untrustworthy, and your bitterness is showing.

          • alwyn 1.6.2.3.1

            There, there diddums. Time for your tranquiliser and a good rest.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 1.6.2.3.1.1

              I see you admitted your “error”, but immediately made another one. Keep trying, but.

    • Skinny 1.7

      Well I have to say Micky is this any real surprise to you?

      Obviously they are going to react swiftly to any issue in society that will get votes, or cost votes. I heard Iain Lee-Galloway harping on like chicken little this morning. Is this not a repeat of the Governments U-turn on lowering of the drink driving level?

      Dunne had to react to keep his thin dream alive of retaining his seat in parliament, as did National.

      Where a real opportunity went begging was not bringing in the cruel animal testing element of the whole issue. Do we have a Nationwide campaign committee planning events? Christ I have members here ready and rearing to get stuck in on rallies/demonstrations. We should have had a nationwide day of action, expanding on the legal highs issues to include animal testing. The amount of animal lovers that couldn’t give a hoot about politics, but would be soft enough to support any party that is out to protect their precious little pooch or fluffy cat etc. What a start to the week.

    • tc 1.8

      It’s all about clinging to power with Dunne and the nats, social consequences are irrelevant to them.

      The hairdo has been consistent and at least honest admitting to be a willing seller with something for a willing buyer.

      NZ’s very own Krusty the clown of politics where it’s not so much what he’s endorsing but rather the act of selling out he can’t resist as it’s in his DNA.

      • Rosie 1.8.1

        +1. Exactly tc – it IS all about clinging to power with Dunne. What a cheap shot this announcement was, and so cynical. Playing games of one upmanship comes first before anything. I wonder if Dunne is starting to feel uncertain about his future as an MP?

        I bet this week’s edition of the Independent Herald will be full of praise for the man who came to save the day. He loves to get his propaganda in the local paper has much as possible

    • TightyRighty 1.9

      shame on labour for not being able to control it’s caucus members, or it’s party officials. Which is it mickey? selling secrets to the enemy. not a good look for unification.

  2. There has been an obvious answer to drug addiction since the days of prohibition of alcohol.

    Banning drugs means that most addicts end up getting ‘treatment’ in jail.

    The only reason we have a high rate of drug addiction is the war on drugs designed to criminalise the working class and justify a police/penal state.

    Legalise dope and this will reduce the harm from both dope and alcohol addiction.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1

      Not necessarily.

      Substance abuse is linked to inequality. Higher levels of inequality, higher levels of substance abuse. Legality is more-or-less irrelevant.

      • bad12 2.1.1

        Disagree OAB, throughout history humans have found psycho-active substances and used them with regularity,

        Us humans rich or poor just love to change our reality, obviously those who are more monied can more afford their habits than those who are less so…

          • bad12 2.1.1.1.1

            Karol, i am not sure i would rest anything on the research of Bingham Dai, i did tho notice the quote about the ”disorganized” druggies and their low socio economic status,

            Show me a Lawyer or Doctor, a Manager, or your local Linesman who is willingly going to involve themselves in a ”drug study” let alone admit to using any illegal drug on a regular basis, from personal experience tho i know that plenty of professionals regularly use illegal drugs,

            Obviously the lower down the economic pecking order drug users are then the worse the effects on their lives drug use/abuse are going to be…

            • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1.1.1.1

              It’s a common misconception that the effects of inequality only apply to those “lower down the economic pecking order”. Or a right-wing false frame – I’m not sure of the exact provenance of the misconception.

              In any event, the socio-economic status of substance abusers is a red herring.

            • karol 2.1.1.1.1.2

              Well, in my experience of middle class people, their drug of choice is alcohol – I suspect they over-indulge that more than may on lower incomes, largely because of affordability.

              From the stuff I’ve read so far on legal highs, it is a major attraction to many because it is legal and available in their area.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1.2

          Bad, your remark is entirely consistent with mine.

      • phillip ure 2.1.2

        “..Substance abuse is linked to inequality..”

        i agree in the sense of the despairs of poverty often driving people to seek a/any escape/respite..

        ..(been there..done that..)

        ..but i’ve done too many drugs with to many wealthy-folks to accept the other possible interpretation..(ie..that rich people don’t get out of it..?..).

        ..the only inequality in that sense being that their drugs are usually of the highest quality..

        • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.2.1

          Inequality increases stress levels across the board: the poor person doesn’t have enough to live on, the rich person has to work harder to maintain position, the rungs of the socio-economic ladder are further apart.

  3. Chooky 3

    Bomber Bradbury on why Marijuana should be legalised…i agree it should …….(personally i dont smoke it because the few times i tried it in my youth it gave me red eyes and a woolly head for several days, not good for university essays …but i know for some people it is their drug of choice for many years and above alcohol and it does agree with them better than alcohol )

    ….While I do think anyone under the age of 20 should be very wary of it …and it should be prohibited for school age children ( because their brains are developing and they arent the full biscuit)……i think it is way better than the synthetic stuff

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/04/27/and-the-winners-of-banning-synthetic-cannabis-will-be-organised-crime/

    ….and on whether Trevor Mallard is up to the job

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/04/28/is-trevor-mallard-really-the-best-person-to-lead-drug-reform/

    • freedom 3.1

      I had a quite serious FB chat with a nephew in Oz this weekend on a range of issues and that under 20 topic was raised. I always had a strict R18 policy with him consuming anything anywhere. My nephew, who is almost 30 and runs his own business, is watching many of his friends who started young lose their way. He actually thanked me for repeatedly ignoring his youthful pleas and being such a general pain in the arse whenever I caught him out. :)

      • Disraeli Gladstone 3.1.1

        I’m not always sure a strict R18 policy works on consumption (at least with alcohol). My family has always operated with a very mainland European relationship with alcohol. I was allowed very, very weak shandies on special occasions as a boy. And once I got to 14-15, I was allowed the odd half-glass of wine or beer (once every two or three months) as long as it took me several hours to finish it.

        It meant when I got to 18, I had a pretty decent relationship with the stuff and I can say that in several decades, I’ve never once been properly “drunk”. True for all my family. The one who does have a problem with her drink was never allowed to drink until she was an adult.

        • freedom 3.1.1.1

          That is a sensible process and I wholly support it. It is a supervised attentive scenario which builds good relationships with the substances and within the family unit. I would look to the parents, if they said it was ok for him to have the odd beer at a bbq, that was their decision, (and he can drink their beer ;) ). If they weren’t around to confirm it, he missed out.

          p.s. just joking about being a stingy uncle, if his folks said it was ok, my beer was in the fridge alongside everyone else’s. :)

      • Chooky 3.1.2

        Yes agree freedom…..caregivers walk a fine line….because kids with peer pressure will likely experiment …. for some alcohol abuse and tobacco addiction is far worse in the end than marijuana…and some of the more reckless will experiment with anything that is going ….including doctor prescriptions…..and get caught in a web of addiction

        ..it is best to keep young people away from drugs of any kind if possible ( except perhaps a glass of wine with family …my children generally dont like wine) and give them emotional support and coping behaviours for peer group pressure , anxiety disorders/depression , problem solving and sensible decision making… if you can …..until their brains are developed ( 25yrs!)and they are adults sensible enough to have made their own way and make their own decisions

        imo depression is a major issue in New Zealand …and this feeds drug addictions…. as distinct from experimentation or sensible social use

        very good interview with Kathryn Ryan with toxicologist (09:10 With Dr. Leo Schep from the National Poisons Centre.)on toxicology side effects of of synthetic marijuana ….sounds far far worse than marijuana!!!! .. also very good discussion on depression

        http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon

        http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2593876/government-move-to-stop-the-sales-of-all-legal-highs

        • tc 3.1.2.1

          ‘ imo depression is a major issue in New Zealand …and this feeds drug addictions as distinct to experimentation…’

          With alcohol as a major depressant readily available in cheap nasty spirit, RTD and Tui sized servings.

          Those RTD’s are particularly nasty the way they are manufactured with a large brewer done a few years back for using the beer process as the alcohol base they added flavouring to.

          • Chooky 3.1.2.1.1

            RTDs?…are these alcopops?…if so, agreed!….young teenagers love them…..and yes alcohol is a depressant and insidious in its effects with long term overuse …i wonder how many people know this?

          • Rosie 3.1.2.1.2

            RTD’s. The insidious thing about them is they were launched on to the market around the same time as the minimum purchase age was lowered to 18.

            Brightly coloured sugary flavoured soft drink styled drinks that appeals to young undeveloped taste buds that don’t have to go through the learning stages of becoming accustomed to the adult taste of beer and wine. Just straight into it, no training wheels required. Easily marketed in bright packaging for teens. Easy money for the booze industry. Ca Ching!

            PS: Oh, a double up on the word insidious with Chooky. Yes, Chooky, these are drinks are alcopops

            • Chooky 3.1.2.1.2.1

              yes alcopops or RTDs re very questionable when marketed at the very young …probably the reason for many youth alcohol abuse problems

    • tc 3.2

      Drugs are fine in moderation and individuals need to consider their own physical and emotional toll on a case by case basis with each drug. Personal responsibility can’t be legislated for.

      The legal ones do the most damage to society, such as alcohol tobacco as big pharma products and these have the spin, lobbying and power to keep themselves entrenched.

      We should be decriminalising first not removing all illegalties, this removes the criminal elements ability to profit from it and allows the dust to settle for a considered review down the line.

      As one expert on drug abuse stated, taking ecstasy is safer then riding a horse in terms of coming to harm. That line cost him his job despite it being statistically accurate due to the emotive and self interests at play.

      • Draco T Bastard 3.2.1

        We should be decriminalising first not removing all illegalties, this removes the criminal elements ability to profit from it and allows the dust to settle for a considered review down the line.

        No it doesn’t. Decriminalisation only means that people won’t be charged for possession of it but selling it is still illegal which means that the only supply chain for most people will still be through organised crime.

        What we need is full legalisation.

        • tc 3.2.1.1

          I said we shouldn’t remove all the laws. This would create an open season, just engineer it so if people want to indulge if they desire it’s not illegal.

          Making it legal to possess but not legal to procure is just idiotic if you want to drain the revenue streams the crim’s get from it.

          Seems to be working well in other parts of the world.

        • MaxFletcher 3.2.1.2

          “Decriminalisation only means that people won’t be charged for possession of it but selling it is still illegal”

          It doesn’t mean that at all – it means whatever the terms of the decriminalisation are.

          Alcohol, for example, doesn’t have full legalisation. It is still a criminal offence to sell to under 18 year olds, to sell it without a license etc. Alcohol is a decriminalised substance.

          • Draco T Bastard 3.2.1.2.1

            No, alcohol is a legalised substance. There are serious regulations around production and sale. Decriminalisation effectively leaves the illegality in place while making it so that you won’t be charged for possession.

            • MaxFletcher 3.2.1.2.1.1

              “Decriminalisation effectively leaves the illegality in place while making it so that you won’t be charged for possession.”

              No it doesn’t. Decriminalisation doesn’t automatically mean anything. You could decriminalise it and make possession and the sale of any amount under 20grams legal for example. Or possession and sale could both result in a fine instead of prosecution.

              Alcohol doesn’t have full legalisation. And if you think it is does try to start selling it yourself out of your home, to the public.

              • Draco T Bastard

                Alcohol doesn’t have full legalisation. And if you think it is does try to start selling it yourself out of your home, to the public.

                Yes, that would be what legalisation means – full regulation.

  4. vto 4

    That nutty Texan rancher who has been at odds with his government spouted off the other day about how negroes were better off as slaves, he thought, than they are today….

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2612095/The-shocking-racist-rant-Nevada-rancher-Cliven-Bundy.html

    … of course there have been all kinds of uproar about the racist angle of what he said, but the most important aspect of his rant has flown right over everyone’s heads. And the silly old fool didn’t even realise himself what he said…

    …which was that yes, most working people today would be better off as slaves. This applies equally in NZ where it is in fact cheaper to pay minimum wage, which is insufficient to support a family, than it is to keep a slave. This fool of a man has highlighted the biggest failure of all of the capitalist / ‘free’ market system we have been operating under, namely that it is no better than slavery. Cliven Bundy has unwittingly highlighted the complete failure of the system he bows down to – he is right – the lot of poor working people in NZ and in the US today is no better than that of the slaves of the past.

    I wonder if Bundy and his tea party extremists can appreciate the abject failure of the capitalist / free market system that he has highlighted. Srylands would be another to do well to think on it too.

    • Will@Welly 4.1

      You can argue any viewpoint if you’re determined/ biased. I am still amazed at the amount of racialism still prevalent in parts of the US. In South Africa, much of that racialism has reversed, or the “hatred” has reverted back to a tribal basis.

  5. Rosie 5

    Seen this web based series? Here’s the one minute intro

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrhp48poP_Y

    NZ IDLE: Friends with unemployment benefits is made by Poor Sailors Art Collective and is funded by NZ on Air.

    It’s a satirical series about an unemployed artist. In the intro you’ll meet Able Twerk, benefit reformer who works for LOSE: Labour Office of Sustainable Employment.

    Satire, the missing piece of gentle dissent. Enjoy.

  6. Bearded Git 6

    Notice the way Espiner cuts off Cunliffe when he mentions credit should be due to Labour MP Ian Lees-Galloway on the legal highs issue. Would he do this to Key?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2593848/labour-leader-responds-to-government's-move-on-legal-highs

    Though on the other hand Sarah Ferguson does a good job with Key making it clear that this is a u-turn, National’s hand was forced by Labour and she pings Key’s “some time ago” as being actually only 5 days ago. Key lying again and pinged. Well done that woman!

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2593862/pm-defends-timing-of-legal-highs-decision

    • greywarbler 6.1

      Have you noticed that both eSpinner and Susie are using the stake in the ground approach in their interviews. Everything stops while they wait for a yes or no answer on some point they have raised, which gets repeated continuously as the interviewee keeps on with his/her other thoughts.

      It can be useful to tie some flip-floppy speaker down to something definite, and on the way extract some unintended information to arise, but it can also close down interesting flows for the sake of some irrelevant point so that it seems just a way for eSpinner to assert himself as dominant – ‘Look at me Atlas of the Airwaves’.

      @ BG
      Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York!
      Susie Ferguson, Radionz Morning Report.

    • Rodel 6.2

      BG -I marvel at Cunliffe’s patience with Espiner, calm, unflustered , in possession of the facts and focussed- Good PM material, unlike the other guy.

  7. karol 7

    McCready & Bright going after McCully for corruption – bribing Jones to destabilise Labour.

    • Chooky 7.1

      Lol …Go Penny Bright and McCready!

    • Skinny 7.2

      I got a bit of a laugh reading Penny Bright’s formal complaint paper that she posted on here. However reading on and seeing the good work she done to get John Banks in the docks made me stop giggling. Good for her, McCully and the Nats should be drawn over the coals for plucking a job out of thin air, in what a lot of the public must see as political interference/job offer bribery.

      I loved her optimism when someone queried her success rate, pretty much whack the numbers through and the odd one sticks lol.

      • srylands 7.2.1

        The premise of the complaint is wrong. Jones will be appointed under the Foreign Affairs Act, NOT the State Sector Act. That Act is clear that the Governor General appoints overseas representatives on the recommendation of the Minister.

        • Skinny 7.2.1.1

          Oh the tax payer union spokesperson pipes up. Yes that is how it rolls Shrillands, however public opinion, should the MSM give Bright and co coverage should do the trick. People see it for what it is. Plucking a job out of thin air, politicals games on the taxpayers ticket. I’m very disappointed your outfit isn’t putting out press realeases admonishing the blantant abuse of the taxpayers purse.

          • srylands 7.2.1.1.1

            Sorry are you saying he won’t be appointed under the Foreign Affairs Act? Or are you saying that the job is a poor use of our foreign aid budget? What exactly are you saying? Or are you simply frothing away?

            • Skinny 7.2.1.1.1.1

              Yes McCully reverts to his old form. Shall I start quoting passages of his ‘old form’ from Hollow Men or shall I stick to Muzza getting cracked and demoted for previous sketchy/dodgy appointments. Well aware as Minister of International Holiday he can recommend any sap he wants to be paid on the taxpayers dime.

              I can just picture Matua Muzza & King Dick Jones being carried aloft by natives sitting in high chairs like 2 Budda gods surrounding by topless beauty queens.

          • srylands 7.2.1.1.2

            Also you know full well I am not a spokesperson for the Taxpayers Union. Stop lying. And stop being rude.

            • Skinny 7.2.1.1.2.1

              Strange for some reason I thought you were, my sincere apologises.

              Ok I will show a smidgeon of empathy for you Shrillands, knowing your crews pinup boy ‘Bent Bankie’ is off to the old bailey soon. Just refresh my memory again please what date is that? Oh can understand your fretting and all about a possible by election?

              Anyway I’ve cut you enough slack with niceities above. Now in the event of a by election in the leafy suburb of Epsom. Pondering the idea think I might have to suit up and go house to house door knocking on behalf of the National Party. You know canvassing the Candidate vote. All I need is a party rosette, just to look the full dapper part. The snake oil pitch will be that much easier for the local toffs to digest after the incestuous comments your leader made recently. Don’t worry the party vote is yours, if that is part of the deal. Any hints?

        • bad12 7.2.1.2

          Are you lying to us again SSLands, put up a link to your latest little squeal or have it disbelieved like everything else of supposed fact that you have ever posted here that has been proven to be utter BS…

          • srylands 7.2.1.2.1

            Don’t be so stupid. He will be an ambassador. He will be appointed under the Foreign Affairs Act.

            http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1988/0159/latest/DLM138725.html

            Funny that. Why would the Minister of Foreign Affairs not appoint someone under the Foreign Affairs Act? Which you will see explicitly exempts such appointments from any appeals mechanisms that apply under the State Sector Act.

            And stop being rude and hyperbolic. It is ridiculous the way you carry on when I post something completely factual.

            • Chooky 7.2.1.2.1.1

              surely professional diplomats should become the ambassadors (not wanna be politicians who have burnt their political bridges)?

              …otherwise Foreign Affairs has been corrupted…just like appointing non trained men/women off the street to be teachers ..it undermines education and the professionalism of the teaching profession…not to mention the NZ Education System

              …are we becoming John Key’s NACT haven Banana Republic?

            • freedom 7.2.1.2.1.2

              It’s not the appointment to the post, but the actual creation of the post that needs some questions answered. Are there not processes in place for the creation of Foreign Affairs posts? What quite a few people want to know, is were these processes correctly followed ?
              Is there the expected trail of reports and considerations and costings and proofs that such an investment by our Government would be expected to meet in the creation of what is a not insignificant role in the Pacific theatre.

              From back here in the cheap seats, it all looks pretty dodgy.

              Hopefully, those that know of these things will clarify it all.

  8. greywarbler 8

    A good political discussion this morning well refereed by Kathryn Ryan.

    Matthew H not on instead someone who has passed the speed-talking, confident, know-all speaker test, hardly needs to breathe between the flow of her divinely-sourced oration –

    Mike Williams and Trish Sherson, a former journalist, former press secretary for the ACT party and now runs a PR company.

    • Bearded Git 8.1

      Yes Grey but when Sherson said Labour was in “a shambles” Williams should have jumped in and said just one old MP of dubious value had been bribed to leave the party in a devious manner by McCully, meanwhile 14 MP’s are leavng the sinking National ship. So which party is in a shambles?

      If the narrative is allowed that Labour is in a shambles (which it isn’t) it will stick.

      • Skinny 8.1.1

        What a wet blanket Williams was, fancy running down the handful of MP’s that had the guts to be critical of Jones exit style. Thought his bob each way on the matter was weak, it got insulting when he rambled on about supporters commenting negatively through social media as ‘kamikaze
        stuff’. While he may agree that Jones can go untested slamming the Greens with what is ‘his opinion’, in effect backing National’s narrative of the loony Left.

        I’m affaid it was you that asked to be my F/B friend and quite frankly you have now abused that friendship so on ya bike Mike your deleted.

        • phillip ure 8.1.1.1

          williams supported jones in the leadership race..

          ..he only flipped in the home straight..

          ..to make sure he voted for the winner..?

          .and i have noted before..that the only times williams turns left..

          ..is when he comes out of his driveway..

          ..he is a neo-lib-apologist trout..

      • Jim Nald 8.1.2

        Mike Williams did jump in with a sweet message to some of you lovely souls out there:

        “.. I’d also say to the people who went online saying ‘good riddance’, that is kamikaze stuff, that’s just dumb!”

        14’43” @

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        • Skinny 8.1.2.1

          Jim tell me this, does Labour need the Greens support to form a Government or does Labour need a retiring MP (considering taking a job offer by National) to form a Government?

          Simple question Jim which is it?

          • Jim Nald 8.1.2.1.1

            Quite simple. The former. That would be obvious to Mike Williams?

            Thanks for not ‘kissing’ the messenger (it would have been helpful @ 8.1.2 if the messenger’s facial and vocal expressions could be conveyed online) :-)

        • blue leopard 8.1.2.2

          I would just like to remind Mr Mike Williams that those posting their opinions on this website are not political parties that have to keep to a disciplined line – please discern the difference; they are not political parties they are potential voters. And on this site I am guessing the majority are likely voters of left-wing parties.

          Last time I checked democracy was about representatives noting the viewpoints of ones constituency and taking that into account with ones policies and these days this includes factoring opinion into how one presents ones policies to the public.

          Telling your constituency to shut up doesn’t play any valid part in this important process. Expressing opinion does.

          • Jim Nald 8.1.2.2.1

            Some of the people who are supposed to be commenting ‘for or from the Left’ would do well to be put through and pass the test consistent with Pascal Bookie’s advice.

            Sorry for posting the link again, but here it is … which should be read in full and a key bit is reproduced as follows:

            “In the media, you are the left. Don’t tell activists or blog commenters what we ought to be bloody saying to make your job easier. Your job, is making activists jobs easier. Our job is just being citizens. If you can’t convince us to vote for you, then you have no bloody show of changing swing voters minds (emphasis added)

            “You are not, (if you are a pundit), an academic analysing the left. You are the bloody left as far as the average punter sees things. So you should be attacking the right by highlighting the ways in which the right is out of step with the centre. One fucking job.”

            http://thestandard.org.nz/josie-pagani-replies/#comment-753124

            • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 8.1.2.2.1.1

              What a pity Mr Jones didn’t follow such advice.

          • Chooky 8.1.2.2.2

            +100 blue leopard…and many of the opinions expressed on this and other blog sites are the equal if better than Williams and Hooton

            …after all the contributors here do not have direct appointment /job vested political or monetary interests…because they are generally under pseudonyms…and not broadcasted

          • Ant 8.1.2.2.3

            Blaming blog commenters (not even the bloggers LOL) is weak as.

            Almost as laughable as those who try and tell you not to comment negatively because “our enemies are reading” and will use it against the left, 9 times out of 10 it’s the bloody left pundits using it against the left.

      • Mary 8.1.3

        Sure, but Williams is Jones’ mate so he wouldn’t say that.

        He was exceptionally bad this morning, though. Every answer was as usual prefaced with an “I’m an expert on this so what I say is the truth” but today when asked about the Jones fiasco he said “I’ve actually had time to think about this.” That has to be something straight out of Monty Python. I often wonder when RNZ is going to cut Williams loose for being such an idiot but I guess if they did that we wouldn’t be able to hear gems like that. You could probably get a script for an entire political comedy series just by going back over interviews with Williams.

      • greywarbler 8.1.4

        Bearded Git
        Yes I wasn’t actually looking at Williams. Seems that the elastic that holds him together has loosened and his pants are falling down. Fix that small problem and perhaps he can concentrate and sharpen up his act.

        How do we make application to Radionz for someone better? Surely there is someone sharp and incisive and really interested in the left who will defend and support it when it is trying to do good, and explains it when it falls on its nose. At present it’s a bloody disgrace – the type of comment that is. Labour itself is showing signs of vitality. Hold that mirror close to the face-book!

        As for Mike Williams and kamikaze commenters – there was some film called Dumb and Dumber wasn’t there? He must have been thinking of that.

        • Anne 8.1.4.1

          Surely there is someone sharp and incisive and really interested in the left who will defend and support it when it is trying to do good, and explains it when it falls on its nose.

          Gordon Campbell would be my pick. Not afraid to speak the truth and to do it intelligently and cogently.

  9. Finally got my work disciplinary hearing today.
    Ready to respond to my bosses imaginary tales of subordination, disobedience and breaking employee/employer good faith.
    I have this bloke for falsifying wage date records, claiming I was off sick when I wasn’t, supplying false statements among many other things, all proven and supported by a qualified paper trail, yet I will be ‘due processed’ and no doubt in my mind, dismissed some time after 3.30 this afternoon.

    Shameful stuff, but makes the full hearing more exciting when it eventually happens.

    Party X, the woman who was sexually harassed by the boss is awaiting her date for full hearing after he turned down mediation, so plenty more to come when not bound by confidentiality.
    I’ll do an update when able.

    :)

    • Rosie 9.1

      Good luck with your disciplinary hearing The Allen. Yes, do let us know how you get on.

      • The Al1en 9.1.1

        Thanks for that Rosie.
        My lawyer is busy elsewhere today, so I’ll be unrepresented, though I will have a note taker, and as the outcome of today is already known, hopefully it will be quick.
        I’m not arguing points, other than to deny his version of events. I’ll save that privilege and the several ‘gotcha’ moments for my guy in front of a judge, not him and his legal pitbull, forewarning them of the coming poostorm headed his way.

        • Rosie 9.1.1.1

          Go get ‘em! :D

          You know, it never ceases to amaze me how often socially impaired and unscrupulous people (and even criminally accused) end up as employers in NZ. I seem to have come across more than my fair share of them.

          • Anne 9.1.1.1.1

            Me too Rosie. They don’t like strong women who aren’t too afraid to speak their mind and most of them are psychopathic. My experiences were inside the public service and they knew how to pull the wool over their superior’s eyes.

            • Rosie 9.1.1.1.1.1

              Interesting Anne. My work and the observations of others experiencing inept, bullying, sociopathic managers/bosses have all been in the private sector, mainly SME’s.

              Yes, agree, the male bosses that cause trouble seem to be quite threatened by women who break their stereotype of how a woman should act. They are unsettled by strong and on to it women.

        • Colonial Viper 9.1.1.2

          I’ll be having a quiet pint in your honour tonight, mate.

    • freedom 9.2

      all the best Al1en, sounds like you are in a good head space to deal with it all.

    • Te Reo Putake 9.3

      Good luck! You know you can postpone till lawyer’s ready? And tape it to make sure the notes are accurate. Don’t talk too much and concentrate on the issues in front of you, not other battles. All the best.

    • The Al1en 9.4

      “Go get ‘em!”

      Grrr said the Bulldog breed, chewing at their ankles. :)

      “I’ll be having a quiet pint in your honour tonight, mate.”

      Have two and be damned with the calories. Cheers Tat.

      “all the best Al1en, sounds like you are in a good head space to deal with it all.”

      I am now, thankfully. Had a while to stew on it and get the facts listed, but there’s an end in sight now and I can move on with my head held high, what ever happens.

      “+100″ And infinity and beyond.

      “Good luck! You know you can postpone till lawyer’s ready? And tape it to make sure the notes are accurate. Don’t talk too much and concentrate on the issues in front of you, not other battles. All the best.”

      Cheers TRP, means a lot.

      Got out at 6.15. No decision yet, but betting is closed on the result.
      My boss sat there and never said a word as I had to respond to his bs. At least I got the chance to call him a perverted dirty old man again as I relayed the contents of one of our discussions. Don’t know if it was anger or embarrassment as he turned red, but not unnoticed by the two women present, even if one is ‘on his side’.

      Any one in Hamilton got a 20 hour a week job going? Ask my ex wife, I’m cheap. :)

      • McFlock 9.4.1

        good work, and good luck :)

      • weka 9.4.2

        “At least I got the chance to call him a perverted dirty old man again”

        :-D

        You’re an inspiration mate.

        • The Al1en 9.4.2.1

          I said it three times during the meeting, and when asked by his disgruntled lawyer if I thought having a quiet word with the owner of a subletting business, responsible for the well being of his mainly young female employees left alone in the building after closing time was more important than breaching the employer employee relationship? I said of course it was, and I’d have done the same if were my father, brother or son who was the sexual predator. Adding, ask every dad of those girls what they think what I did before condemning me on this man’s hurt feelings. My conscience is perfectly clear.

          Inspiring? More just a day in the life, but nearly all done and dusted now.
          Waiting for the the Dear Al1en email tomorrow.

          • Rosie 9.4.2.1.1

            Awesome! Love ya work :D

            • The Al1en 9.4.2.1.1.1

              You mustn’t be talking about me songs then. :lol:

              I feel a bit sorry for the person who clicked my Alien link today and got ‘Little bird I’m a worm’ for their wanton clickery.
              Just hope their speakers were turned way down low and I don’t get a subpoena for earhole gbh.

              I do appreciate the sentiments and comments here, and of course, the opportunity for a bit of anonymous venting on my part.
              Cosmic love to you all…. Except PG :lol:

      • miravox 9.4.3

        If people always got what they deserve your manager would be out of a job, not you worrying about yours, Al1en. All the best for the next few weeks as this plays out.

        • The Al1en 9.4.3.1

          The manager is the owner, and if people really got what they deserved, he’d be in stocks in the town square for a week and on a pervo register for life, banned from employing female staff.

          I have just had a mail from my lawyer tonight, in reply to the allegation he made a week or two ago, whilst I was on sick leave, they forgot to ask about in this afternoons meeting.

          Q. Did I give the finger to him as our cars passed at approx 8.20am, outside my daughter’s school?
          A. No, of course not, but if I’d actually been there as claimed, I would have waved, though an angincourt long bowman’s response could have also been a valid option.

  10. Bill 10

    A while ago I asked my doctor if they could script me nicotine. They checked and found that they couldn’t. (Only able to script highly subsidised, pharmaceutical profit generating, gum, patches etc) I vape. I import the nicotine and mix my own liquids (~2% nicotine, 10-15% food grade flavouring and the rest made up of vegetable glycerine). Total weekly cost is about $2. Health benefits? Feel a lot better.

    Meanwhile, I’m constantly coming across shit in newspapers and elsewhere claiming that vaping is not a way to get off tobacco and nicotine.

    In NZ, ASH and just about every agency decries vaping. Meanwhile, in the UK….

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/28/e-cigarette-users-triple-ash-survey

    The anti-tobacco charity Ash (Action on Smoking and Health) says the number of e-cigarette users has tripled from 700,000 in 2012. Nearly two-thirds of users are smokers and the other third are ex-smokers, Ash says, while use of the devices among non-smokers is negligible, at only 0.1%

    “While it is important to control the advertising of electronic cigarettes to make sure children and non-smokers are not being targeted, there is no evidence from our research that e-cigarettes are acting as a gateway into smoking.”

    A study from University College London earlier this month had similar findings. The Smoking Toolkit Study carried out in England found that e-cigarettes were taking over from nicotine gum and patches as an aid to giving up smoking.

    The leader of that study, Professor Robert West, said: “Despite claims that use of electronic cigarettes risks renormalising smoking, we found no evidence to support this view. On the contrary, electronic cigarettes may be helping to reduce smoking as more people use them as an aid to quitting.”

    • blue leopard 10.1

      Ta for the links Raa, they look great!

      • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 10.1.1

        Weird, sorry Bill, that comment of mine clearly was put in the wrong place :)

    • just saying 10.2

      Laurie Penny:

      http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/12/its-not-harming-anyone-so-why-brussels-trying-remove-my-robot-cigarette

      The idea that e-cigarettes should be subject to the same restrictions as the leaf-burning variety once again confuses ethics with petty moral panic. To encourage addicts not to indulge their addiction where it might cause harm to children or the sick is ethical. To claim, as some do, that evidence of addiction is itself offensive and unsightly is simple prudishness. I find it unsightly when otherwise attractive young men grow ridiculous hipster moustaches but I would stop short of regulating public display of facial hair. I just avoid certain bars during Movember.

      You can take my fake smokes from my warm, blood-beating hands. No, really, you probably can take them, if “you” are the EU, or the state of New York. We cannot have a compassionate, effective policy on drugs and addiction without starting from a place of compassion, and if our stance on smoking stops with an idea of moral weakness, we have forfeited compassion. Now, stick that in your flashing electronic pipe and smoke it.

      edit: what I find weirdly inconsistent is those anti-smoking fanatics who find e-cigarettes so offensive, aren’t bothered if nicotine is chewed in gum. They just can’t seem to get their heads around people wanting to smoke and being able to do so relatively safely – for themselves and those around them. It offends their snobbish sensitivities.

      • weka 10.2.1

        E-cigs are not harmless. The exhaled vapour can be problematic for people with chemical sensitivities. I find it probably as bad to be around as cigarette smoke (albeit in a different way). I think vaping is an excellent alternative for smokers, but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t have effects including secondhand ones.

        Unfortunately the person whose story you linked to doesn’t know what she is talking about when she says

        And that’s where the prospect of a ban on e-cigs, whose vapour is lighter than tobacco smoke, and rarely reaches the lungs of another person, makes no sense. It’s not about public health. It’s about morality.

        She might be right about who is lobbying against vaping in terms of morality (I don’t know, haven’t looked at what the ban is about), but that degree of ignorance about health makes her whole argument suspect.

    • I have a co-worker who vapes, and I find the process fascinating. It’s certainly counter-intuitive to me to suggest that vaping would normalise or encourage leaf-smoking – the whole taste/smell experience is completely different.

  11. Raa 11

    Meditations on a rock star as prime minister

    Is he copying Mick Jagger’s moves ?

    No one seems to have read Ehrenreich’s demolition of positive political psychology …

    http://getebook.org/?p=6353

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113758696

    http://kickass.to/bright-sided-how-positive-thinking-is-undermining-america-ideusex-t7809713.html

    http://www.ebook3000.com/Bright-sided–How-the-Relentless-Promotion-of- Positive-Thinking-Has-Undermined-America_113335.html

    http://vimeo.com/7346047 (video ~ 1 hr.).

  12. Raa 12

    Amid Devastation of Aleppo, Syria, Archaeological Museum Fights to Preserve Heritage

    Curators at Aleppo National Museum Struggle to Protect Ancient Heritage From Civil War’s Destruction

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626304579507231417505084?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304626304579507231417505084.html

  13. Rosie 13

    Can’t disagree with what Le’aufa’amulia Asenati Lole-Taylor from NZ First has to say about Dunne’s lack of action on legal highs and the call for his resignation. (Not that he would go mind, he will cling on desperately, even if his fingers are bleeding as he slips away from the centre of power to the edge).

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1404/S00409/dunne-should-resign.htm

    • “The number of people using legal highs is now vast and families, communities, police and hospitals must now deal with a new stream of addicted users.

      Do you agree with this claim?

      • freedom 13.1.1

        The number of people using alcohol is now vast and families, communities, police and hospitals must now deal with an ongoing stream of addicted users.

        Do you agree with this claim ?

        • Pete George 13.1.1.1

          Yes, but the problem there is not just with addicted users, there’s vast problems caused by casual users as well.

          Over the weekend locally one young person killed in a drink related car accident and one died after an assault in a bar toilet.

          This problem is much larger – and more difficult to find solutions to. There’s no ‘safer natural alcohol’ option that’s being kept illegal.

          • freedom 13.1.1.1.1

            Why do you think those deaths were linked to casual use? How do you know they were not problem drinking related? If they were linked to casual use, then surely that only suggests alcohol is very unsafe.

            so you know the question that comes next….

            Why have you not stood up and called for the complete banning of alcohol sales until it is fully tested, found to be safe, and proper resources for the treatment of its addicts and victims can be established?

            A call for sense and reason, like you sort-of-almost posted on your blog.
            http://yournz.org/2014/04/28/not-our-finest-hour-on-drugs/
            (folks might like to scroll down the home page too for a pithy little posting about The Standard’s 14k posts)

            why can’t we see Collins in the emergency room on a Saturday night looking at the alcohol damage?

            -note how he quotes it, but won’t say it himself.

            I know it is not an appetizing destination on a cold wet Monday, but thought the opening line of his post also deserved a little direct attention.

            Stephen J goes against the political flow at The Standard on the sudden rush to ban currently legal psychoactive substances, saying “there has been a moral panic based on nothing more than a few horror stories in the press”

            Quite the unsubstantiated claim there Pete George. And no external links of course.

            • Pete George 13.1.1.1.1.1

              I didn’t say those incidents were due to casual use, obviously there’s a potential problem with both of them. Everyone knows alcohol can be unsafe. In the vast majority of cases it’s used safely, but with the number of users (80% of the adult population from memory) there’s a big number of problems compared to other drugs with smaller numbers of users.

              Why have you not stood up and called for the complete banning of alcohol sales until it is fully tested, found to be safe, and proper resources for the treatment of its addicts and victims can be established?

              Have you? Has anyone recently?

              I haven’t because it wouldn’t work and would have major adverse effects to our society. And most people are responsible and safe users of alcohol.

              Depending on the threshold it may not be found safe enough (for significant numbers of users) if it was a new product. But trying to compare something that has been entrenched in human societies for thousands of years to products created in laboratories this century is ridiculous.

              I don’t know what your point is. Should I only speak up on one thing if I also speak up on anything that someone suggests might be remotely related?

              Why are you challenging and questioning me when you aren’t challenging and questioning everyone else here? Aren’t you being a bit selective?

              • freedom

                Most others don’t carry the same stink of sanctimonious hypocrisy.

                The only thing more easily quantified than the lack of integrity in your statements for a better world, is the apathy of the spirit within them.

              • felix

                “I don’t know what your point is. Should I only speak up on one thing if I also speak up on anything that someone suggests might be remotely related?”

                Depends. Are you interested in ends?

                Or only in means?

                • felix

                  Also, the other day when I raised the matter of how our culture glorifies and encourages the ritual of weekly wreckings, you pretty much denied it was that big of a deal.

                  So it’s a bit fucking rich of you now to start whinging about the death and violence surrounding our socially acceptable drug abuse.

                  I eagerly await you shoving it all back on the individuals involved and denying, as usual, any interconnectedness and any context.

          • Rosie 13.1.1.1.2

            Pete. Somehow my reply to you ended up as a reply to me. My reply is at 13.2

      • Skinny 13.1.2

        What a stupid question Pete. Obviously this was going to happen, where was the prevention is better than cure mentality? This should have been put to bed years ago at the start of this dirty trade? And low and behold it’s an election year and the National Government finally act. Where was their coalition partner the Maori party, while all this was allowed to happen? You know the one so strongly opposed to that other (legal) drug tobacco.

        Now Key-National are taking the piss at us by trying to mop up soft votes by blaming the delay on ‘the animal testing issue.’ After performing rather badly this morning when interviewed Key comes out with this gem. I knew for the cruel animal testing reason they should have banned them altogether. Be little arguments there.

    • Rosie 13.2

      Whoah. You talking to me Pete? We don’t talk, that’s the arrangement, no matter how provocative you are.

      I guess you are trying to lead me down one of your traps with your question. If you ask me if legal highs are damaging people’s lives, relationships and health then I would say yes and yes I want them banned.

      It’s also bleeding obvious that the announcement to ban them is cynically timed and is a platform for a game of one upmanship – that is the issue with Dunne and the Government. Nothing more than race to be “The Good Guy” and a pathetic grab at a diminishing vote come election time.

  14. Red Rosa 14

    Maybe this has been missed. Apologies if pointed out above.

    The Nats are gifting one of the safest seats in the country to a brat fresh from lobbying for Big Tobacco.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11245502

    Even for them, this has to be a low point. Don’t they have any values at all, even economic?

    Tobacco is costing the country millions, maybe hundreds of millions, each year in direct healthcare costs. Lung cancer, heart disease, emphysema, etc. All costly to fix, if they don’t kill you.

    Plus premature deaths as above, innocent passive smoking victims…well… all that aside…

    He must be a slick customer. And Key and Collins must be proud of him.

    • thechangeling 14.1

      This is clear evidence of the connection between the National Party and big Tobacco corporations that I would have thought they would stay clear of:

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/polls/9984445/Ex-lobbyist-to-contest-Englishs-seat

      Todd Barclay has blood on his and now (if they didn’t have it before which I seriously doubt) the National Party’s hands.

      • Jim Nald 14.1.1

        Ex-Gore High Sch Boy and Karori resident’s intern. Been doing the rounds for Office of the Prime Story-Maker, the immensely talented multitasker Brownlee, and was last Paratised at the Beehive. He was out and about in the corp comms world the past year or so. Now shepherded into the MP-in-absentia’s seat.

        He is a fine puppet chap.

        • Anne 14.1.1.1

          Now let me tell you what I detect based on his photo.

          Arrogant, conceited, snotty nosed spoilt brat only a few years out of nappies. Knows nothing about anything and never will. Would steal the last blanket from his old grandmother’s bed and leave her with none in the middle of winter. Has a mediocre brain but plenty of guile and cunning. Perfect attributes for an up and coming Nat. political star.

            • Rosie 14.1.1.1.1.1

              Oh FFS! Look at that smarmy kid. I bet you’re right in your assessment of his personality Anne.

              • Colonial Viper

                The only way you get to be corporate affairs manager for a major firm like Phillip Morris at 24 years old, especially with only public sector parliamentary experience on your CV, is through personal networks, mentors and sponsors.

                • I find it interesting his CV has nearly two years as “intern” in English’s office. Was this an unpaid internship? There’s a lot of discussion going on in the US at the moment, where it’s a far more common practice, about how unpaid internships are really only available to the kids from wealthy families who can afford to work for free. (There’s another thread, about how many organisations now use unpaid internships as a permanent source of free labour and very few genuine opportunities for interns to move into paid positions, but that’s obviously not the case here.)

                • anker

                  @CV I will add one further criteria to how you get toTodd B, position. Be without a conscience and we all know what that means. It begins with P

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Yes, these kinds of organisations deliberately screen for, and fast track promote, those particular kinds of people.

          • Not Petey 14.1.1.1.2

            [deleted]

            [lprent: Let me tell you what I detect from your comment. It is pointless abuse. Do it again and you won't be able to comment here for some time. This is your warning.

            Read the policy. ]

          • greywarbler 14.1.1.1.3

            Anne
            Very percipient not to say prescient. And he probably doesn’t know what either means because neither of them start with $.

    • karol 14.2

      From the Blingish-Brownlee-Joyce school of economics, business and politics.

      Stat-skewing, bully-boy, smarmy cronyist approach to politics.

    • Clemgeopin 14.3

      Will be interesting to see how many of the Dipton voters will give their votes to this young lad of 24.

      At the last election, of 29,365 electorate votes, English got 19,726, a big lead of 14,915.
      There were 773 informal votes!

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/election-2011/6041227/Clutha-Southland-update

  15. this one is kinda interesting..

    ..a former australian tory prime minister..fraser..

    ..is now urging australia to cut all military ties with america..

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38345.htm

  16. thechangeling 16

    Another attack by a messenger of the right-wing on the validity or otherwise of the Living Wage:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/9985312/Living-wage-reinvents-the-wheel

  17. and it’s been an intense few days..wot with shane/legal-highs..

    ..a little bit of light-relief is called for..

    ..here are ten well-written/funny demolitions of crap..but over-rated albums from the 90’s..

    ..this on red hot chilli peppers:

    “..George Clinton and the Minutemen alchemically combined by completely talentless frat rock morons –

    into bone dumb funk punk – minus the funk.

    As usual the ballad (“Breaking the Girl”) goes above and beyond in its remorseless pursuit of maudlin tuneless shittiness –

    and emo-tough gibberish ..”

    http://www.salon.com/2014/04/26/the_10_most_overrated_albums_of_the_90s/

  18. Some discussion points.

    Schedule of inaccuracies in David Parker interview on The Nation – April 26 2014

    1. “Export prices are going down”

    Export prices in fact rose 13.8 per cent in the year to December 2013 (Statistics New Zealand).

    The ANZ NZD Commodity Price Index rose 11.6 per cent in the year to March 2014 and is just 6 per cent below its all-time March 2011 peak.

    2. “We are not covering the cost of our imports (and interest)”

    Statistics New Zealand reported a merchandise trade surplus for New Zealand in the year to February 2014 of $649 million (1.3 per cent of exports).

    January and February’s merchandise trade surpluses were the highest ever for their respective months.

    3. “We are losing jobs in the export sector”

    The number of people employed in the agriculture, forestry, fisheries, mining and manufacturing sectors has increased by 16,100 in the last twelve months.

    Total New Zealand employment increased by 66,000 in the last year or 3.0 per cent in one year. This is the fastest employment growth since December 2006. (Statistics New Zealand Household Labour Force Survey December 2013).

    4. “This challenge of getting New Zealand’s current account deficit under control”

    New Zealand’s balance of payments deficit is currently 3.4 per cent and has averaged only 3.1 per cent over the last four years.

    Under Labour the Balance of Payments peaked at 7.9 per cent in December quarter 2008 and averaged 7 per cent over their last four years.

    New Zealand’s Net International Investment Position is currently down to 67 per cent of GDP after peaking at 85.9 per cent in March 2009.

    5. “Ridiculously high interest rates”

    Interest rates have just edged up above 50-year lows.

    Floating mortgage interest rates are currently between 6 and 6.25 per cent. They peaked at 10.9 per cent between May and August 2008.

    6. “Exporters…. Aren’t willing to invest in plant”

    Investment in plant, machinery and equipment by New Zealand companies was up 7.5 per cent in the December quarter and 3 per cent for the year. Investment in plant, machinery and equipment is now at its highest level ever (Statistics New Zealand – December quarter 2013 GDP release).

    Just yesterday, long term New Zealand forestry processor Oji Limited announced a $1 billion investment to purchase Carter Holt Harvey Processing assets.

    7. “House prices are up 40 per cent under them”

    House prices under this government have increased at around 5.7 per cent per annum, compared to 10.7 per cent per annum under Labour, according to REINZ figures. Total house price increases over the period is 30 per cent, not the 40 per cent Mr Parker claims. That compares with a 96 per cent increase in house prices under Labour.

    8. “You need to tax the speculators. They are not taxing speculators”

    Taxpayers who buy and sell houses for income are currently taxed at their personal income tax rate on their capital income.

    9. “They are not building any more houses”

    The actual trend for the number of new dwellings, including apartments, is up 95 per cent from the series minimum in March 2011.

    The trend is at its highest level since October 2007 (Statistics New Zealand February 2014 Building Consents Release).

    http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/parker-wrong-nine-times-one-interview

    I hope Parker responds to these counter-points. Some of those are disputable or subjective.

    • Tigger 18.1

      PG your. ‘Facts’ need context. For example, 7. What figures are you quoting? One street, the whole country?

      • Ant 18.1.1

        His whole right-wing spin factchecking bullshit would fall apart if he kept his ‘facts’ in context.

    • Te Reo Putake 18.2

      Firstly, great to see confirmation of the right wing, anti-labour bias of the fuctchecker in chief. Secondly, Oji is not a NZ company. Look it up, it’s a Japanese group, named after a Japanese city, who happen to have a NZ arm. Guess where the profits go, Pete … c’mon, you’re a clever boy …. It’s just as likely to be buying the opposition with a mind to closing them down.

    • Colonial Viper 18.3

      2. “We are not covering the cost of our imports (and interest)”

      Statistics New Zealand reported a merchandise trade surplus for New Zealand in the year to February 2014 of $649 million (1.3 per cent of exports).

      January and February’s merchandise trade surpluses were the highest ever for their respective months.

      Look mate, the chronic current account deficit is clearly what Parker is referring to here, don’t know why the fuck you would narrow it down to the “merchandise trade” balance.

      6. “Exporters…. Aren’t willing to invest in plant”

      Just yesterday, long term New Zealand forestry processor Oji Limited announced a $1 billion investment to purchase Carter Holt Harvey Processing assets.

      Purchase of existing assets is not new investment. It’s just moving existing assets around to someone elses balance sheet. Big fucking deal.

      • miravox 18.3.1

        “Purchase of existing assets is not new investment. It’s just moving existing assets around to someone elses balance sheet. Big fucking deal.”

        Anyway, why would they invest in plant while people are so cheap?

    • Don’t you think it’s a little dishonest to copy-and-paste an attack piece by Steven Joyce under the heading ‘Some discussion points’? Isn’t this the sort of thing Politicheck should be fact-checking instead of fodder for you to run off to another site and breathlessly report on people’s predictably annoyed responses?

      • Pete George 18.4.1

        I think you’re getting a bit try-hard. It’s obviously a quote with an obvious link.

        How about you do what you want to do and not keep trying to tell me what you think I should do. This is Open Mike. Discuss or ignore is the standard practice isn’t it? Otherwise you are in danger of becoming yet another member of a tryhard tag team that disrupts threads with irrelevancies and then complains about the disruption.

        • Te Reo Putake 18.4.1.1

          :roll:

        • felix 18.4.1.2

          Oh look, Pete George telling a Standard author what to do.

          :roll:

          [lprent: OpenMike and not a particularly personal attack. Didn't trigger the instincts. ]

          • miravox 18.4.1.2.1

            “Otherwise you are in danger of becoming yet another member of a try hard tag team that disrupts threads with irrelevancies and then complains about the disruption.”

            Nah… That’s a self-deprecating joke, right? :roll:

        • marty mars 18.4.1.3

          Learned to use quotation marks now eh pete – lol – what a dishonest wanker you are. You are yet another member of a tryhard rightwing tag team that disrupts threads with irrelevancies and then complains about people not liking it.

          • Pete George 18.4.1.3.1

            Very funny mm. What’s this supposed to be, a place to debate things or not? To some it is. Others seem more intent on attacking any message or messenger they don’t like in order to shut down debate.

            And it’s somewhat hypocritical for you to accuse of dishonesty. You make things up to try and disrupt and discredit. That’s called lying. You lie to try and shut down debate on things you don’t want talked about. That’s gutless. And it’s counterproductive. Thanks for drawing attention to things.

            that disrupts threads with irrelevancies

            The deputy leader of the opposition who wants to be Minister of Finance making false and/or misleading claims is irrelevant?

            • felix 18.4.1.3.1.1

              No actually Pete, this is not a place for you to debate anything you like.

              Read. The. Fucking. About.

              The purpose of this site has been pointed out to you many, many times but you still treat it as your own personal soapbox.

              The only possible conclusions are:

              1) you haven’t bothered to read it. which would make you an arrogant prick.
              2) you read it and didn’t understand it, which would make you an idiot.
              3) you read it and ignored it, which would make you a tr0ll (and an arrogant prick).

              My guess is 3. Also you’re an idiot.

              • You should read About felix. Then try reading Rules.

                Rules

                We encourage robust debate and we’re tolerant of dissenting views. But this site run for reasonably rational debate between dissenting viewpoints and we intend to keep it operating that way.

                What we’re not prepared to accept are pointless personal attacks, or tone or language that has the effect of excluding others. We are intolerant of people starting or continuing flamewars where there is little discussion or debate. This includes making assertions that you are unable to substantiate with some proof (and that doesn’t mean endless links to unsubstantial authorities) or even argue when requested to do so.

                The bar is high because we like robust debate, but there is a bar.

                Some are more tolerant of dissenting views than others.

                • felix

                  Oh, you have “views”?

                  That’s odd, you’ve been saying for ages that you don’t necessarily agree or disagree with the tripe you copypasta from the National party and kiwiblog.

                  Guess you were lying.

                • It’s interesting that you didn’t continue your bolding into the second sentence, which I would consider relevant to the discussion at hand.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 18.4.1.3.1.2

              :roll:

              “…false and/or misleading…”

              You forgot “or true”, and your bias/dishonesty/bad faith is showing. Again.

            • marty mars 18.4.1.3.1.3

              “Thanks for drawing attention to things.”

              Thanks for thanking me but I don’t require any thanks from the likes of you.

              “You lie to try and shut down debate on things you don’t want talked about.”

              I think you’re talking to yourself there pete – pretty soon you’ll be moaning, “why doesn’t anybody take me seriously” and when people explain why, you’ll start your denial cycle all over again.

        • Please don’t try to use slang, Pete, it’s a little sad. Especially when you try to use it twice to put me down.

          It’s very clear that you have not presented that quote in a transparent way. Like infomercials putting ‘results not typical’ in unreadably small type at the bottom of the screen, you have made a deliberate effort to get people to read your comment under false pretences. You are the person disrupting the conversation here and I am choosing not to ignore your obvious attempts to stir shit up.

      • felix 18.4.2

        Pete is a non-partisan fact-checker who is only trying to stimulate discussion. In the interests of balance he copypastas National Party press releases and kiwiblog comments.

        • Draco T Bastard 18.4.2.1

          :twisted: :lol:

        • North 18.4.2.2

          Hey yous stop attackin’ PGTipsy on the Legals aye don’t ya know he the most araldite fulla un NooZilnd he the Dag of The Hair don’t ya know when ya feelin’ bit Psychoactive Psychoactive feelin’ they draggin’ ya ‘way from 35 year at The Trough shit stick to that fulla better than a blanket mate Jeez’ me glad that dairy closin’ tomoromoromoro awwh shucks thanks The Hair and PeeGee I owes yous guys………

  19. Philj 19

    xox
    What legal or illegal substances can explain PG ‘s thinking(?)?

  20. joe90 20

    The Mastersons – “Birds Fly South” – were great – Steve Earle & The Dukes – “Pocket Full of Rain” – were magnificent. That is all.

    • Tony Parker 20.1

      In Wellington last night? It was good. Worth the trip down from Napier. Better than the last time I saw him. This band is probably his best for covering all his bases. Liked his little talk about noticing more and more American ideas/influences happening here now than when he was here before especially with regards to the environment. Got some applause for that but I bet half the people clapping will still vote for this current government.

      • joe90 20.1.1

        Yup, last night and fortunately I brought earplugs so I was able to muffle the bass/double bass which was a little too unfiltered for my ears but a great show with Eleanor Whitmore’s voice a real highlight.

        As for the the audience and their reaction, rather uniform although I suspect I fitted right in, the Chris Masterton quip about the Texas filibuster went clean over most heads so I think you might be correct.

        • Tony Parker 20.1.1.1

          I think the biggest culprit soundwise was the kick drum from where I was sitting. The bass was inaudible at times.

        • joe90 20.1.1.2

          Sitting a half dozen seats left of centre in row L, around two thirds of the way back, and being just under the balcony was probably why the bass was so dominant. Drums were fine though and vocals from the left of stage crisp and sharp whereas Steve’s Pocket Full Of Rain (my favourite) vocals from right of stage were the only real low spot.

    • Tony Parker 20.2

      In Wellington last night? It was good. Worth the trip down from Napier. Better than the last time I saw him. This band is probably his best for covering all his bases. Liked his little talk about noticing more and more American ideas/influences happening here now than when he was here before especially with regards to the environment. Got some applause for that but I bet half the people clapping will still vote for this current government.

    • Tony Parker 20.3

      In Wellington last night? It was good. Worth the trip down from Napier. Better than the last time I saw him. This band is probably his best for covering all his bases. Liked his little talk about noticing more and more American ideas/influences happening here now than when he was here before especially with regards to the environment. Got some applause for that but I bet half the people clapping will still vote for this current government.

  21. Tony Parker 21

    Sorry folks. No idea why that posted 3 times!

  22. ScottGN 22

    Probably my excitable imagination but it seemed to me that in TVNZ’s piece on legal highs/animal testing tonight Key said ‘tha-lido-mide’ very carefully and very slowly. Can’t afford to trip up over the big words and have everyone think you’re a dummy?

    • ianmac 22.1

      I really think that Mr Key has pronunciation problems for words more than 2 syllables. I have watched/listened carefully. As soon as he meets this problem he mumbles/slurs. No doubt he knows and understands all the words but has I think a sort of impediment. Sort of verbal dyslexia.

  23. Ron 23

    News flash!
    Exciting candidate elected to represent Labour in the Upper Harbour electorate. Should prove great opponent for Benefit and the guy that doubts Moon walk.
    Details tomorrow

    • Jim Nald 23.1

      Sounds good. Looking forward to the announcement and hoping for a pleasant surprise!

      Btw, tomorrow is when Parker will speak about “monetary policy”?

      It would be really good if Cunliffe and his team also update and generate the kind of videos like the ones he did years ago, eg ‘Own Our Future': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjyHctIljPM

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    As a pedestrian it can be easy to become a bit impatient, especially when traffic lights are prioritised solely around the movement of vehicles which can leave a long wait between phases. Here’s one idea to keep people occupied while...
    Transport Blog | 01-10
  • Secure work, health and safety and pay rises
    This week the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions (the NZCTU) released their latest economic bulletin today with economist Bill Rosenberg answering the question about whether workers who have a collective employment agreement get bigger pay rises than those on...
    frogblog | 01-10
  • Shock! Horror! Wife defends husband!!!!
        In recent posts I’ve made some fairly trenchant comments about David Cunliffe, primarily about his media performance. Others, including some of his Caucus colleagues, have gone even further. The now resigned Leader of the Opposition has been under...
    Brian Edwards | 01-10
  • September ’14 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    PLEASE NOTE: Sitemeter is playing up again making it impossible to automatically get the stats for some blogs – those I list below. Maybe more bloggers will shift to StatCounter or other counter. No stats could be found for these blogs: Works...
    Open Parachute | 01-10
  • September ’14 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    PLEASE NOTE: Sitemeter is playing up again making it impossible to automatically get the stats for some blogs – those I list below. Maybe more bloggers will shift to StatCounter or other counter. No stats could be found for these blogs: Works...
    Open Parachute | 01-10
  • Auckland: the world’s friendliest city
    UK travel magazine Conde Nast Traveler has just named Auckland the world’s friendliest city in its 2014 rankings. It introduces Auckland with a great photo that highlights the city’s growing urbanity: FRIENDLIEST: 1. Auckland, New Zealand Score: 86.0 (tie) We...
    Transport Blog | 01-10
  • Waterview Breakthrough
    On Monday Alice the Tunnel Boring Machine broke through at Waterview after tunnelling for the last 10 months. And here’s a video of it happening. One of the things that is really impressive is just how accurate the machine is...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Fundamental incomprehension II
    Another day, and another journalist who just doesn't get it about the Greens. This time its Duncan Garner:The Green Party needs a serious rethink. For as long as they have been in Parliament, they have been a left wing party...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • An Open Letter to Green Party Supporters: Why I slagged off your Party
    Last week I called for a Bluegreen Party – an environmental party that I could in all conscience, vote for. It prompted a huge response, which confirmed to me there is a clear constituency that is not being serviced. I...
    Gareth’s World | 30-09
  • Parliament should decide
    Yesterday John Key began laying the groundwork to deploy kiwi troops to Iraq to fight in another pointless American war. And with the Labour Party distracted by its autocannibalism, its left to Winston Peters to stand up for democratic values...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • The problem with warmongers
    The problem with warmongers is they appear to have no empathy for their fellow human beings. That's because war, and the industrial complex behind it, is invariably built upon people's prejudices.History is littered with examples of prejudice being used as...
    The Jackal | 30-09
  • Australia to criminalise journalism
    Imagine this scenario: Australian spies seeking to fight domestic terrorism borrow the tactics of their American counterparts and start running agent provocateurs to "flush out" those with terrorist leanings. But an operation goes horribly wrong, and actually results in a...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • School funding failing vulnerable students – time for a better way?
    1 October 2014 Schools with the greatest needs get too little to meet those needs, says PPTA president Angela Roberts. The current school funding system is failing to support our most vulnerable students and this morning delegates at PPTA’s annual...
    PPTA | 30-09
  • Waiho Papa Moana Hikoi
    More than 1,000 people marched up Queen Streen in Auckland yesterday, as part of the Waiho Papa Moana Hikoi, to protest outside Sky City at the New Zealand Petroleum Summit against plans to begin deep sea oil drilling in the...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 30-09
  • Why the Prime Minister and RB Governor are whistling in the wind
    Let there be no mistake, New Zealanders want the NZ dollar to be as high as possible. A 65 US cent dollar makes us a hell of a lot poorer than an 88 cent one. So why does the Reserve...
    Gareth’s World | 30-09
  • A targeted transport rate?
    An article in last Friday’s NZ Herald provided an interesting insight into where the investigations into additional transport funding options are at. This is the second phase of the project to close the supposed $12 billion funding gap over the next 30...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Is New Zealand ready for an openly inane Prime Minister?
    In the current leadership race for the Labour Party there are two candidates: Grant Robertson and David Cunliffe. There has been much discussion of their strengths and weaknesses, but one subject has been delicately avoided; perhaps because of political correctness,...
    DimPost | 30-09
  • Is New Zealand ready for an openly inane Prime Minister?
    In the current leadership race for the Labour Party there are two candidates: Grant Robertson and David Cunliffe. There has been much discussion of their strengths and weaknesses, but one subject has been delicately avoided; perhaps because of political correctness,...
    DimPost | 30-09
  • Carpetbaggers
    So, those wishing to participate in the Labour leadership election (2014 edition) have until 11.59pm on Wednesday the 1st of October to join.I won't be joining, but I've noticed an alarming number of people on The Standard announcing that they...
    Left hand palm | 30-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the last rites for the TPP
    Column – Gordon Campbell The Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal is one of those litmus issues that has always had more to do with one’s place on the political spectrum than with any imminent reality. To date, the Greens have...
    Gordon Campbell | 30-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the last rites for the TPP
    Column – Gordon Campbell The Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal is one of those litmus issues that has always had more to do with ones place on the political spectrum than with any imminent reality. To date, the Greens have...
    Its our future | 30-09
  • ATTN MSM: this is not a political news story. I repeat, this is not a polit...
    New Zealand your media treats you as if you are stupid and vacuous, and articles like this are the only things your feeble minds can handle at any given time, unless Paddy has turned up with his friends Shouty Paddy...
    Politically Corrected | 30-09
  • How did the UK grid respond to losing a few nuclear reactors?
    This is a re-post from PassiiviIdentiteetti, written by Jani-Petri Martikainen. Answer: mainly by increasing the use of coal in power production. In the second week of August power company EDF decided to shutdown their reactors in Heysham and Hartlepool. This...
    Skeptical Science | 30-09
  • The very public evisceration of David Cunliffe
    Ordinarily, when the coup of a party leader is underway, one of two things happens. Either the incumbent simply walks, having seen the writing on the wall, or attempts to stare down their opposition in a closed room. Someone walks out of...
    Occasionally erudite | 30-09
  • Dr Sean Simpson from Lanzatech
    On 8th October, Dr Sean Simpson from Lanzatech will be speaking at the University of Auckland, on the subject of “Climate-friendly fuel: A challenge of scale and time”.  This is part of the Energy Centre’s Energy Matters lecture series. Sean...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Stuart’s 100 #36 On the Beat
    36: On the Beat What if we had more cops on the beat? Isn’t it time the New Zealand Police started to recognise the changes happening in urban New Zealand? In our central cities and busiest town centres and main...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Bonus growth for SaaS exporters
    The currency fall has a wonderful effect for exporters, especially those who have most of their costs back here in New Zealand. As I write this, the NZD versus the USD has fallen about 10% since earlier this year. As an...
    Lance Wiggs | 30-09
  • Against returning to Iraq
    Last week the US announced a new bombing campaign against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Its hard to see how bombing will do any good (except for US defence contractors), and easy to see how it will cause blowback. To...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • Speaker: An Open Letter To David Cunliffe
    Dear David,I want to first congratulate you on the campaign you ran. You gave it your all, and did well in the debates. I was deeply disappointed in the result that Labour got on September 20th - but I’m sure...
    Public Address | 30-09
  • Long run or short season for David Cunliffe?
    When you’ve read this short post have a look at the interview below with David Cunliffe on last night’s Campbell Live .  But first,  if you haven’t done so already, please  read my previous post on the ex Labour leader, titled...
    Brian Edwards | 30-09
  • Seaworthy ships and stormy seas – PPTA annual conference 2014
    30 September 2014 Pirates, privateers, seaworthy ships and stormy seas all featured in PPTA president Angela Roberts' nautically themed opening speech to the association's annual conference this morning. Describing the political context PPTA ventures out into as "often stormy and...
    PPTA | 30-09
  • Key admits exiling people without trial
    Back in February, we learned that John Key had responded to the "threat" of people travelling to Syria to participate in its civil war by cancelling their passports. This was done without any sort of due process or review, let...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • Reflections on Melbourne and Sydney
    2014 was an auspicious year. Whether by cosmic alignment or fickle chance, Easter Monday and Anzac Day fell in the same week, and I was able to shoot off to Melbourne and Sydney for ten days with only three days...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • The “Pacific solution” devolves into rape and child abuse
    Australia's "Pacific solution" of imprisoning refugees in remote gulags in an effort to pschologically torture them into going home has turned into a catalogue of horrors: neglect, beatings and rapes, torture, and murder. And now they've got a new one:...
    No Right Turn | 29-09
  • The leadership characteristic that shall not be named
    David Cunliffe formally resigns today, setting up a head-to-head battle between him and Grant Robertson, although there’s still a chance that David Shearer, Andrew Little and/or Stuart Nash might throw their hat(s) into the ring. As the Labour MPs arrived for...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • The leadership characteristic that shall not be named
    ...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • Th Austerity Disaster and its impact – Lessons for New Zealand? (Fro...
    Europe’s Austerity Disaster29/09/2014 by Joseph StiglitzJoseph Stiglitz“If the facts don’t fit the theory, change the theory,” goes the old adage. But too often it is easier to keep the theory and change the facts – or so German Chancellor Angela...
    the Irascible Curmudgeon | 29-09
  • The Damage Fallacies of Neo-Liberal economics cause
    The on-going and recent scandals (Judith Collins & Oravida, Maurice Williamson & Donghua Lui, John Key & Dirty Politics....)  in New Zealand that have swirled around the neo-liberal National Party government of Key, supported by the discredited political parties of...
    the Irascible Curmudgeon | 29-09
  • Changing Leaders Will Not Be Enough
    Trial By Ordeal: The techniques of the Seventeenth Century Witchfinders-General might be preferable to the process Labour has adopted to uncover the reasons for its woeful performance in the 2014 General Election. It's a pity the Party has not allowed...
    Bowalley Road | 29-09
  • Starting a constructive conversation on the future of the Treaty of Waitang...
    To learn more about our upcoming Treaty project click here...
    Gareth’s World | 29-09
  • Gillard on NZ Labour
    I arrived in Australia a month after Tony Abbott had been elected Prime Minister, a week after Bill Shorten had been elected Labor Leader and a month before Kevin Rudd announced his resignation from Parliament. It quickly amazed me how...
    Progress report | 29-09
  • March to #StopDeepSeaOil and #StopStatoil
    There have been amazing and moving scenes in Northland as the Waiho Papa Moana Hikoi made its way down from Cape Reinga to stand up for their coast, their way of life and for future generations. And they are not...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 29-09
  • Auckland Transport Early October Board Meeting
    The Auckland Transport board meeting is on Thursday and below are sections from the various reports that caught my attention. The first thing I noticed was the huge number of items on the closed agenda with 18 specific items for decision/approval or...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • Labour not “part of the communities we live in”
    Labour leadership aspirant Grant Robertson told a blunt truism to Kathryn Ryan on Radio New Zealand the Monday after the election. “Politics has to be about more than elections,” he said. “It has to about being part of the communities...
    Colin James | 29-09
  • The mystifying rise of Jacinda Ardern
    As Labour’s leadership debacle lurches nowhere fast, the only winner thus far appears to be Jacinda Ardern. A One News poll (or what One News sometimes likes to call a poll, despite it being a self-selecting online survey. Please, just leave the...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • Hold fast to your Mana – Harawira
    Hone Harawira today called on the voters of Tai Tokerau to hold fast to their mana, and not be dictated to by those party leaders who have ganged together to tell them how to vote. “I call on our people...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Media Advisory – Interview availability
    This is to advise all media that Hone Harawira will be available in Auckland tomorrow, Friday the 19th of September from 7am to 4pm for interviews relating to his recent press releases. If you are interested in interviewing Mr Harawira on...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Labour stands on proud record on Suffrage Day
    Women have come a long way in the 121 years since New Zealand became the first country to give them the vote on September 19 1893, but there is still more to do, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Carol Beaumont says....
    Labour | 18-09
  • Polling Booths asked to treat Maori voters with respect
    “Polling booths without Maori roll voting papers, Maori people not being offered assistance to vote, people getting sent from Whangarei to Wellsford to vote, Maori people getting turned away from voting because they didn’t have their ‘easy vote’ card, Maori...
    Mana | 17-09
  • Aussie Liberals embroiled in Key campaign
    John Key needs to explain why Australia’s Liberal Party is interfering in New Zealand domestic politics and is encouraging Kiwi voters across the ditch to vote for National just days out from the election, Labour’s campaign spokesperson Annette King says....
    Labour | 17-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit. “If you’re lucky enough to have...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Māori development crucial to New Zealand’s future
    Labour recognises the concern of Māori about child poverty and the rising costs of living, and in Government will make a real difference to the wellbeing of whānau and iwi, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “As our Māori...
    Labour | 16-09
  • MAORI PARTY – DON’T COMPLAIN … WALK
    “If the Maori Party are serious about stopping government spying on NZ citizens then they should tell the Prime Minister to either stop doing it or they will walk away” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, on...
    Mana | 16-09
  • JOHN KEY SUPPORTING LABOUR
    “There is something really sick about a National Party Prime Minister coming out in support of a Labour candidate” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira, after hearing that John Key is urging voters to back Labour in...
    Mana | 16-09
  • SHUT DOWN THIS GOVT NOT KAITI WINZ – Nikora
    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
    ...
    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Party members and affiliates – the real losers in Labour’s leadership f...
    Hey, wanna do a back room deal that cuts the members and affiliates out? Cunliffe must be reeling. He has lost failed Ilam candidate James Dann. It must cut as deep as the loss of Steve Gibson. Apart from providing Claire...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election res...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election result...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • The rich get richer
    Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman highlights the growing inequality in this article in the New York Times. The left wing slogan that the “the rich get richer” is a fact of almost perverse power. The most recent period of expansion in the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • A brief word on reinvading Iraq
    So after telling the country before the election that NZ would not send forces to Iraq, lo and behold now he’s won the election with a full spectrum dominance political majority, Key is suddenly now looking to join the re-invasion of...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • A brief word on the importance of ACT, Maori Party and United Future to Nat...
    I’m a far right wing clown who attacks tax money going on anything collective, gimmie some cash and privilege.  One of the great successes of National has been to implement hard right policy but have it sold as moderate. For some NZers,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Labour’s Angst
    Was Labour’s predictably low vote David Cunliffe’s fault? Was it policy? Was it something else that has aroused perceptions of electoral carnage? My analysis of the numbers suggests that, as uncertain voters made up their minds, there was a late...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Information wars: Gaza as “the last taboo”, the threat of mass surveill...
    “When the truth is replaced with silence” wrote the soviet dissident Yevgeni Yevtushenko, “the silence is a lie.” There has been a silence these past months full of noise, static and sound bites of those in power justifying their violence,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • When the media say they covered Dirty Politics – did they?
    I was watching The Nation in the weekend, and watched the defenders of NZ media up against Minto telling him he was wrong in his claims of media bias and that the media covered Dirty Politics. I laughed. When the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG – P Campbell – To the Left with love
    A week after the general election results I feel wrung out emotionally, having been through the disappointment, depression and anger of seeing  another right wing government elected overwhelmingly by winning support from the parts of NZ that will never benefit...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – I will be the new Labour Leader!
    One week after the election, while I was still waiting to be consulted about contributing to the review on what went wrong, what do you know? There is a leadership challenge. So instead of opting for a united, thoughtful and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – A Prescient Post
    A very prescient pre-election post by Martyn Bradbury tells us why the Labour Party are at war now. “The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work” Despite Martyn Bradbury warning them this Right Wing strategy “Better Work”...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – W(h)ither Labour (!/?)
    There’s an old saying that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. Not so in the Labour Party, wherein soul-crushing defeat on a scale unseen since 1925 definitely has many fathers (and more than a few mothers and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • At the end of the day…
    At the end of the day…...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty
    Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Internet MANA the election and the media
    I’ve been very critical of media reporting of Internet MANA during the election campaign and not surprised at the predictable response from representatives of the corporate media establishment. I wasn’t going to carry this further but was asked at the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Rachel Jones – A superficial discourse analysis of a superfic...
    On Sunday there was a story about Paddy Gower and his detached retina in the Herald on Sunday. Really? I hear you ask. Really? Yes, really. Pam Corkery will have sprayed toast crumbs over her dressing gown. The reporter has become...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Terrorising Australia’s Muslim population
    We should be suspicious when 800 police conduct “terror” raids across Australia, but only one person is charged with a relevant terrorism offence (of which we know few details). We should be suspicious of the lurid tales of terrorists planning...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its min...
    Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its mind. I know the Labour party has its problems and I’m not even going to try to prescribe what should be done about it. But what I...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Loyalty, Leadership and the Labour Party
    My first after the election and I can only say I’m feeling pretty sad.  It was a terrible result, and feels even more so knowing the number of volunteers hours, hard work & sacrifice made by so many people who...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Cunliffe vs Robertson – Round 2
    Much to the disappointment of the NZ Herald and other right wing pundits who have decided they would like to appoint the next Labour leader, Cunliffe has surprised by deciding to damn the Caucus and appeal directly to the members...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The tasks before the left and labour movement
    Anyone on the left would have been disappointed at the result of the election. There was an opportunity to win, but that got lost through a combination of factors. There were tactical decisions made by Labour, the Greens and Internet-Mana...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • From Fiji’s dictatorship to ‘democracy’ – the AUT student team on t...
    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
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