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Open mike 29/07/2012

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, July 29th, 2012 - 197 comments
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197 comments on “Open mike 29/07/2012”

  1. Jenny 1

    As Colonial Viper said on another thread “it will take more than a political party” to stop climate change.

    It looks as though collescing together are all the forces that are necessary to stop climate change in this country.

    As has happened in British Columbia and some Latin American countries the indigenous people are set to take the lead.

    See the determined and confident look on the face of Adelie Waititi.

    Te Whanau a Apanui will never surrender.

    In fact I believe that Te Whanau a Apanui have already won, and Petrobas won’t be back. Petrobras have not made a big song and dance about their defeat, they have just quietly slunk off back over the horizon. It is very unlikely that they will ever return, but if they do Te Whanau a Apanui will send them packing again.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1082170

  2. Carol 2

    Hmmmmm…. an interesting article about a new poll (ie new entirely in being a first), The first Fairfax Media/Ipsos political poll.

    Even the usually pro-Key, sycophantic Tracy Watkins (co-authoring with Kate Chapman), can’t avoid discussing the slip in popularity for Key and National (especially with women voters). The analysis has its good points, but the slant still goes in favour of National, or rather, in favour of the typical National/Key PR spin-lines.

    And the authors fail to account for the role the media (and Nat online/blogging spin merchants) have paid in promoting Key’s image – or the way the same spin machine worked to stir up antagonism against Helen Clark, resulting in her being, as the article’s authors claim, a very polarising PM.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7370214/Polarising-PM-losing-gloss

    The first Fairfax Media/Ipsos political poll shows National has enough support for a third term, 44.9 per cent to Labour’s 32.6 per cent, assuming the current mix of support parties. But it also reveals a growing divide, with many still strongly backing Key, but a growing sense of anger and distrust among others.

    Interviewers asked 100 people to describe Key in as few words as possible. The pollsters said many voters rated him a straight-shooter and good or excellent leader, but a significant number thought he was arrogant, smarmy and out of touch.

    Although later in the article the last point is elaborated on by referring to many people resorting to “derogatory” terms to describe Key – that means using swear words. And adding untrustworthy, dishonest, to arrogant, smarmy and out of touch.

    But the next biggest category of words and phrases used were what the pollsters lumped in the “derogatory” category – ranging from swearing to insults such as “dickhead”.

    The poll apparently shows that women voters disillusioned with Key are particularly unhappy with their policies on education:

    Women were quickest to fall out of love with Key – also worrying for National, which has capitalised on his appeal to females as a softer face for a party traditionally seen as flinty.

    Women were also more likely to feel anxious about their own prospects, and unhappy about the country’s direction.

    Before the last election, polls showed around 50 per cent of women supported National, but that is down to 39 per cent, the 1000 interviews done as part of the poll often returning to education and asset sales as reasons why Key has the country on the wrong track.

    The poll reveals women worry not enough money is being put into education, about class sizes, that early childhood education has gone backwards, and that the quality of what is being taught is poor.

    The article also says that Key is losing favour with many National voters, while also quoting an interviewee who still favours National, doesn’t agree with asset sales, but doesn’t think the 2011 election provides a mandate for those sales. And it says that Shearer is not (yet?) inspiring voters or providing an alternative for voters disillusioned with Key.

    And, of course, the authors can’t help but finish the article on a positive note, with a quote from a guy who voted Labour last election, but favours National now.

    • . The pollsters said many voters rated him a straight-shooter and good or excellent leader, but a significant number thought he was arrogant, smarmy and out of touch.

      I think that’s a fair reflection of Key’s apparent attributes (from media impressions). I’ve seen him speaking once in person and he came across very well then.

      I agree with all of those assessments, except that I tend more towards the good rather than excellent end of the scale on leadership.

      Bryce Edwards is quoted:

      …said there was a noticeable hardening in attitudes against Key, in line with the perception of a growing ideological divide with the Left, which opposes the sales.

      “I sense more hostility towards him than there was, but I get the sense it’s among those who are predisposed to be against him.”

      I sense the same as, the haters hate more – but that’s probably partly due to the fact that they hate being in opposition for another term and blame Key for that.

    • Policy Parrot 2.2

      The numbers on that poll suggest the following parliament:

      Right: National 57, ACT 1, UF 1
      Left: Labour 42, Greens 15, Mana 2

      So essentially, the Maori Party holds the balance of power with its 3 seats. Note that if Banks lost, ACT’s MP would go to National.

    • Fortran 2.3

      Some participants in the survey are quite entitled to comment as they have done BUT there is no General Election – yet. That is when it tells, not a small opinion poll.

    • Vicky32 2.4

      Hmmmmm…. an interesting article about a new poll (ie new entirely in being a first), The first Fairfax Media/Ipsos political poll.

      It was presented on Radio NZ as being a ringing endorsement for National/Key!
      It depressed me very much..

  3. The Fairfax poll is unusally comprehensive. One interesting part is on vote loyalty. National and Labour have very similar results:

    Voted National: 87% would vote for them again, 13% would not
    Voted Labour: 85% would vote for them again, 15% would not

    About 1 in 7 say they would not vote for National or Labour again. The response on NZ First is not surprising, Winston support depends on the vagaries of Winston:

    Voted NZ First: 69% would vote for them again, 31% would not

    Voted Green: 73% would vote for them again, 27% would not

    But Green loyalty is not as strong as claims of growing Green strength would suggest, with 1 in 4 not wanting to stay with them, and only 6% of undecideds leant towards Green.

    Something I often hear about Greens is that they contribute an important environmental view to parliament, but many see them as too extreme and impractical to want to risk them being part of government.

    That’s a potential problem for Greens – and also for Labour who seem to think Greens will help them run the next government.

    • Give me the greens over the hairdo any day.

      • Pete George 3.1.1

        Are you deliberately ignoring the point, or just don’t see it?

        There could be a significant level of support for Greens being in parliament but not in government. If the Labour goal is based on Labour+Green they might find that vital few % to swing the deal very hard to get.

        Clark was a very astute coalition leader and she understood this. The 2014 goal should be Labour+options.

        • felix 3.1.1.1

          . :roll:

        • Fortran 3.1.1.2

          The Greens will tell you that they are the only option to Labour gaining power.
          And they are right – on their terms.

          • OneTrack 3.1.1.2.1

            Prime Minister Turei ?

            If not, why not?

            • McFlock 3.1.1.2.1.1

              It would involve marginalising core green policies to get 35-45% of the vote.
                   
              Other than that, I think she’d be good. 

              • Colonial Viper

                You mean the classic myth of needing to sell out to the middle class and centre-right in order to become a ‘credible major party’?

                Would one of these ‘left’ political parties please finally give a reason for the underclass and working class to turn out on election day, one apart from “we’ll be less bad on you than the Natz”.

                • McFlock

                  Not necessarily “needing”, that just seems to be the practise in NZ. And the greens are no less vulnerable than labour.

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 3.2

      :roll:

    • Lanthanide 3.3

      We can only presume from the data presented that in the next election, no one is going to vote UF and that 100% of people who did are going to change their vote.

    • BillODrees 3.4

      DFTFT 
       

    • Dr Terry 3.5

      So many New Zealanders do not want to see intelligence intrude upon their politics.

  4. Carol 4

    And other news this morning on the 2 main NZ newspaper sites:

    Tony Ryall is told to not listen to spivs ad start listening to professionals:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/7370330/Spiv-spat-sets-union-boss-at-odds-with-Ryall

    Association of Salaried Medical Specialists executive director Ian Powell made the comment in a reply to an annual letter of expectations sent to the country’s district health boards.

    Hospitals were struggling, he said, with stories of a lack of specialists available to train staff, and even of basic stationary purchases being denied.

    The squeeze and a waste of funds are detailed in the response to Ryall from the association.

    What I at first thought was going to be an article on a new approach to policitcs by MPs like Jacinda Ardern (judging by the title and image on the main page of the Stuff site earlier this morning), turned out to be a bit of lifestyle fluff about which MPs have Tats:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7370266/Tats-the-way-to-do-it-MPs-are-hip-to-Beehive

    But Generation Y now strides confidently into the debating chamber bearing the symbols of modern culture: tattoos and piercings.

    Greens MP Julie Anne Genter could be described as New Zealand’s most edgy politician.

    Genter definitely is a pollie to watch, but I hope her edginess turns out to be to do with her actions as an MP and not her tats.

    Meanwhile, over at the Herald, the articles at the top of the main page are all rugby, Olympics, crime and celebrity fluff. Further down the page we get Matt McCarten comparing Banksie's treament by the police with that of Taito Phillip Field. Neither the police, their political masters, nor Banksie get off lightly in this piecce. And McCarten ends with a Biblical medidation for Banksie & ShonKey:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10822839

    After the winks and smirks are over between the Prime Minister and the Act leader, they might consider this passage from St Matthew: “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul?”

    I’m not sure if the HoS editorial (Title; Maggie strikes a blow for male chauvinists) on Maggie Barry should be classified as celebrity fluff, or a report of a crime against mature democratic debate. But Maggie is characterised as having so far traded on her positive, trustworthy, gardener image. Now she’s looking like she’s politically and intellectually incompetent and not so trustworthy.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10822844

    • LynW 4.1

      +1
      In particular re Maggie Barry. Totally unacceptable Maggie. Shame on you! Don’t shoot the messenger and belittle the message. This is a very important issue and as one who works closely with women, babies and families who would greatly benefit from extended paid parental leave this bill must be supported. Joint working families (both parents) are doing so to make ends meet, while also contributing to society. We need to value their contribution by supporting the family unit, ensuring close parental contact in the early months.

      I also love this article

      http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2012/07/27/gordon-campbell-on-the-national-partys-reversion-to-type-on-gender-issues/

      Well said Gordon!

    • muzza 4.2

      I just don’t know where to start, so instead I’ll just leave it to the article, and some sentences in it to highlight where it seems you’re going wrong.

      What this is, is a quintessential example of what happens when people are elevated far beyond their capabilities, which if the mouth is kept in check and the brain in gear is not necessarily a problem, but exactly why the MP continues to have them…..

      Keep up the poor work, its hardly inspiring is it….B R A V O!

      “But if “most trusted MP” means the one who talks the least rubbish, Barry didn’t do much for her image this week”

      “As Labour MP Jacinda Ardern spoke to a private member’s bill proposing to extend paid parental leave from the present 14 weeks to 26, Barry heckled her by asking: “How many kids do you have?”

      “If Barry wants to continue to be trusted at all she needs to stop saying silly things. In the meantime, best she stick to bills about orchids and rose pruning. Oh, and motherhood, of course.”

      The NZH, usually a chronic bore/mouthpiece for the establishment, actually gets it right on this occasion.

  5. Kotahi Tāne Huna 5

    The Greens plus Labour plus Winston First would make for an “interesting” government. With any luck The Hair will be surplus to requirements.

    It’s good to see that people are waking up to what John Key is.

    An encouraging continuation of the previously noted trend.

    • weka 5.1

      Peters has in the past refused to work with the Greens.
       

      • grumpy 5.1.1

        :roll: this is good……..

      • gobsmacked 5.1.2

        Labour and the Greens could form a majority easily enough – say 38/12 or 35/15 or whatever.

        The tragedy is, Labour are “generals fighting the last war”. Shearer keeps saying nice things about Winston, the same way Goff did in 2008-11. It’s as though Labour want to have a government held to ransom by Richard Prosser of Investigate.

        I long for a Labour leader to say … “I intend to form a Labour/Green government. If other parties wish to support such a gov’t, they are welcome to do so. But my goal is clear.”

        Such a message would transform the leader’s reputation overnight. Confidence is contagious. Labour don’t seem to have any.

        • RedBlooded 5.1.2.1

          + 1.

        • OneTrack 5.1.2.2

          By the time we get to 2014, it might even be Labour/Greens 20/25

          • Vicky32 5.1.2.2.1

            By the time we get to 2014, it might even be Labour/Greens 20/25

            I seriously hope not! IMO, the Greens simply cannot be trusted.
            Middle class blue/green kiddies, who highly value the baubles of office, to quote Winnie (well, it’s a good phrase!)

    • Dr Terry 5.2

      Hate to be cynical, but I would say rather too few people, after all these years, are truly “waking up” to what John Key is. I mean, just what does it take? Look at his record since November last, one would expect 20% to 30% support at this moment! If Matt can quote Scripture, so can I: Key and his lot are “Blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel”. Among large numbers of voters, one can only think “There are none so blind as those who will not see.”
      While we might like very much to see a falling trend with National, we dare not get carried away. First we will have to see a strong and viable Opposition. Shearer has “yet” to show up? How far can a a “yet” be extended??

  6. gobsmacked 6

    The Stuff/Fairfax poll and story simply tell us what anyone with any functioning antnennae has picked up over the past six months …

    1) Key is losing his halo. (And National have nothing else).

    2) Labour are a shoulder-shrug, at best.

    Amazingly, none of the voters quoted in that story said “I heard Trevor Mallard score a point of order with Lockwood Smith the other day … that’s what we’ve all been waiting for! Labour have got my vote!”

    Damn these voters with their silly real lives and problems.

    • Bill 6.1

      Going back to 2008. And yes, this is merely anecdotal, but I can’t help thinking now, as then, that it reflected a general feeling among (until then) Labour voters.

      There was a meeting attended by union organisers and delegates. The Labour front bench were the guests. Sitting in front of me were two union delegates who quietly expressed their disillusion with Labour to me and stated that although they wouldn’t vote for National, they would only vote for Labour if there was no-one else to vote for.

      And while the bulk of organisers generally clapped and cheered, there was noticably less enthusiasm among attendees who weren’t union employees. Of those I talked to after Labour’s ‘presentation’, there was a general feeling that Labour weren’t entirely up front or representative of their concerns. An interpretative conclusion of the discussions I had was basically that the ‘Lollies? Yes. But not until after you’ve eaten all your vegetables’ tactic of the Labour Party was pissng people off no end.

      Everything promised was always deferred. And then when the promise as delivered on it was a bit less than expected. (A hard boiled lolly instead of the expected chocolate one, as it were.)

      And that’s where (looking back) ‘brand Key’ came in. He was spun up as the ‘something else’ Labour voters could vote for while retaining their aversion to National. (He wasn’t really National afterall. He was a nice guy. National of old was no more and was really just ‘Labour lite’ now. ) So people could ‘take a punt’ and not feel coerced into voting Labour because of a lack of options.

      And now, even if people are tumbling to the ‘Labour lite’ deception, the fact remains that Labour are still viewed now as they were then. Worse. The Nats as ‘Labour lite’ has turned around to be Labour as ‘National lite’.

      If Labour want people to vote, they have to give people something to vote for. Relying on voters getting pissed off with National isn’t going to translate into more votes for Labour, but rather, just fewer people voting.

      That old guard…the backwash from the Helen Clark years (Mallard et al), who have neither the initiative or talent to make it outside of parliament…. really do have to go. Swathes of people feel robbed of parliamentary representation. And they have moved beyond the sentiments expressed by the two delegates I mentioned a few paragraphs back to a new position that tells them simply that there is no-one to vote for. Their old allegience has been broken.

      The ‘habit’ – the default position of voting Labour – was already stressed in 08. Back then it was going to be done, if and only if, something better didn’t pop up. Now that ‘something better’ is being percieved as not so good afterall. But then, neither’s Labour.

      • Pete George 6.1.1

        Swathes of people feel robbed of parliamentary representation.

        I see that too. I also see an increase in people wanting to speak up and to be heard, and also an increase in people speaking up. Social media helps give them the opportunity.

        But currently no party caters for this. Our way of doing democracy doesn’t cater for this well.

        I also see many attempts to do our democracy better, but most attempts are doomed by being “use democracy to do what I want” rather than changing the democratic fundamentals neutral of personal preferences.

        It’s something that is very hard to separate, because those most active in politics have their own politics to promote.

        • Te Reo Putake 6.1.1.1

          :roll:

        • Bill 6.1.1.3

          ‘Being heard’ and having agency are two completely different things. So there goes social media.

          And you’re correct that representative parliamentary democracy does not encourage agency. No party within a parliamentary setting can, because the context precludes such possibilities. (Representatives vote on [usually 'macro' - broad brush - and therefore not convincingly democratic] matters where only they have access to the relevent info and where only they have time set aside to consider said matters and the legitimacy to decide on them.)

          And in a democracy, of course people would have different takes on whatever was up for discussion. That’s where democracy comes into play. Which is different to ‘their own politics to promote’. In a democracy there are no politics of the type you refer to…sectarian or organisational agendas etc. (To the extent that there are provides a direct measure as to the diminuation of democracy.)

          edit. Ah shit! See how I went and been and got pushed off topic there? :roll:

          • lefty 6.1.1.3.1

            A party within a representative parliamentary democracy could promote, and if they were in government, establish a framework for a participatory democracy.

            Its what genuine socialists would be working towards.

            Arguably the socialist founders of the Labour Party thought this is what they were working towards, but the next generation of social democrats thought the representative parliamentary democracy, the welfare state and a social contract between labour and capital were the destination rather than a stepping stone along the way.

            Modern social democrats just want to be government and have no interest in democracy at all.

            When no political party is interested in democracy it is reasonable response to simply stop voting.

            • Pete George 6.1.1.3.1.1

              Modern social democrats just want to be government and have no interest in democracy at all.

              Unfortunately that’s true, across the spectrum, but I’d suggest “have no interest in genuine democracy at all”.

              Parties and activist groups try to use our current democratic structure for their own advantage. That’s natural. But when they talk about being democratic and using ‘people power’ (and, dare I say it, use petitions and referenda) they don’t usually have democratic principles in mind.

            • KJT 6.1.1.3.1.2

              Judging by the horrified silence when real democracy is suggested, actually giving us power to have a say in our own lives, instead of politicians, is anathema to politicians, and their supporters, no matter what their “side” is.

              PG has shown with his statements on referenda, such as the one on asset sakes, that he has an equal contempt for democracy.

            • Bill 6.1.1.3.1.3

              A party within a representative parliamentary democracy could promote, and if they were in government, establish a framework for a participatory democracy.

              True. And I did a post to that effect a while back. Maybe if I’d somehow got the word ‘currently’ into my above comment I could have skited and claimed I hadn’t contradicted myself. Ah, fuck, who cares? Shit happens. Anyway. I agree with you that a genuine party of the left would make attempts to develop democratic forms even though those democratic forms would come at its own expense.

              • OneTrack

                If a true democratic party of the left, like Labour, was in power, they would listen to any citizens-initiated referendums, especially if the CIR got 80% support. Oh wait…. Damn.

              • Colonial Viper

                Democratic socialism and the democratisation of business is the way ahead, Bill.

      • just saying 6.1.2

        Do you reckon there will be another mini-lolly scramble of left-wing policies before the next election, when it again becomes apparent that doing nothing and standing for nothing, just waiting for National to fail, inspires virtually no-one new to vote Labour, and continues to bleed the left flank to other parties or to not voting at all? Will Shearer and the others in team Pagani panic and start throwing about policies like Goff did when he pitched lollies like beneficiaries getting working for families* etc. to avert a catastrophic loss of “base” voters in the 2008 election?

        The ads featuring Labour’s historic accomplishments when it was actually a labour party were another rally-cry for the left flank, and hugely hypocritical when compared with the beliefs and values of the Labour front bench.

        *Though typically, the devil was in the detail and it was to be “phased in” at some distant date

        • bad12 6.1.2.1

          Yeah i viewed the ”beneficiaries to be included in Working for Families” and the immediate series of back-peddles as another nail in the Labour as a socialist Party coffin,

          Labour lost my vote at the point of Roger-spit-nomics-spit and reinforced the reasons i don’t vote for them when it introduced the new ‘Family benefit’, Working for Families and excluded the children of beneficiaries from such payment…

      • weka 6.1.3

        Bill, your comment should be a post in its own right, maybe as a lead in to another discussion about Labour/alternatives to Labour.

        • Bill 6.1.3.1

          Oh, I thought about that weka. But its a busy, lazy Sunday that has just become frustrating thanks to badly behaved paint, old tongue and groove ceilings and an old neck getting a bit of a crick in itself.

          That aside. There are plenty of people who put up posts within the context of parliamentary politics. And I prefer to posit alternatives to the system we have rather than (so called) alternatives within it.

  7. xtasy 7

    More proof today could be found on ‘The Nation’, that NZ is governed by buffoons and incompetent idiots, also lying to the public!

    Minister for mining or resources, Phil Heatley, was justifying deep sea oil drilling with that being practiced world wide (without problems), for instance in the North Sea. Now any person who knows a bit about the North Sea between Britain and the Continent knows full well, that it is not at all a deep sea area. Links to the following make this clear:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea

    http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/north-sea-physiography-depth-distribution-and-main-currents

    http://www.acorn-ps.com/web/page/oilgas/nsfields.htm

    So more misleading of the public happening here in this area, and also did he state on the same program on TV3, which appears to become more and more “cosy” with the government, that Housing NZ tenants can take in boarders to rent rooms and share their housing, who get accommodation supplements from WINZ, and at the same time take advantage of subsidised, cheap rent from Housing NZ, thus getting it all virtually for “free”.

    All Housing NZ tenants I know have stipulations in their tenancy agreements that they are NOT allowed to sublet rooms to boarders or flatmates. All Housing NZ renters also do NOT get the accommodation supplement and must declare that only them and perhaps their immediate family (partner, kids) live in the home, and NOT offer accommodation to others.

    This adds to the lies by Paula Bennett at the National Party conference, claiming wrongfully that WINZ clients can “rort” the system and get more accommodation supplement than the actual total rent for the place they may be living in.

    But this is the truth about how WINZ calculates that benefit component, which is only paid to qualifying beneficiaries, who declare and prove their actual rental costs (with tenancy agreement or other document stating the individuals share of shared accommodation or in some cases total rent for solely occupied accommodation).

    http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/manuals-and-procedures/income_support/extra_help/accommodation_supplement/accommodation_supplement-90.htm

    But we know what the agenda is: Misinform, mislead, cover up true agenda aspects and bring in policies the government is pushing for.

    Sadly many journalists also prove to be buffoons and idiots, as they do not simply question the wrong, untrue, misleading info, likely themselves not knowing anything either.

    • muzza 7.1

      “But this is the truth about how WINZ calculates that benefit component, which is only paid to qualifying beneficiaries, who declare and prove their actual rental costs (with tenancy agreement or other document stating the individuals share of shared accommodation or in some cases total rent for solely occupied accommodation)”

      –Correct, in order to get the accomodation suppliment, hard proof of a tennancy agreement, or proof or payments for rent must be provided, and then only a percentage of the rental cost given.
      Sure whole familes on benefits might be able to swindle something, but its unlikely…I have not seen WINZ cover the full costs of accomodation with the suppliment alone.

      Perhaps Paula Benefits could say that in fact the big winners from the rental suppliment are the landlords whose houses are paid for as a result….

      Nah, just deflect and hammer the benficaries some more!

      LIAR, just like every single one of them!

      • Murray Olsen 7.1.1

        Exactly. Rental supplements are just another example of welfare for the propertied class, who get half their houses paid for by WINZ, then sell at a huge tax free capital gain.

  8. marsman 8

    Heard on RNZ News yesterday that Destiny Church wants to take advantage of the Charter Schools Scam. They have two existing schools which they will ‘convert’ to Charter Schools. Did I hear that right? And if so what is to stop all Private Schools from getting full Govt funding from this Scam? Maybe that is the whole idea.

    • grumpy 8.1

      Why would that be bad? Parents who send their kids to private schools also pay tax…….

      • MikeG 8.1.1

        Private schools also receive taxpayer subsidies, so what is your point?

      • Pascal's bookie 8.1.2

        And people with no children at all pay tax! Gosh.

        We have compulsory education. We also have a publically funded education system. That’s why it’s paid out of the the tax system. Whether or not you have children, or whether or not you choose to use the public education system is beside the point. we don’t pay taxes to pay for our own education, health care, and road use, and what all else. We pay it for the nation’s, from which we all benefit.

        If you choose to use a private system, why should the taxpayer fund that?

        If the crown is paying for a system, it’s not private.

      • KJT 8.1.3

        Unfortunately if they are allowed to leave the public school system they lose all interest in keeping the State schools excellent, and paying for them.

        As a result we get NACT standards, narrowing curricula, and and teacher bashing for State schools widening the gap and lessening social mobility.

        • millsy 8.1.3.1

          Its really all about not wanting their kids around poor/brown people.

          • Morrissey 8.1.3.1.1

            Its really all about not wanting their kids around poor/brown people.

            Agree with you 100 per cent, my friend.

        • OneTrack 8.1.3.2

          And it’s nothing to do with their opinion that the public schools might not be as “excellent” as you say they are.

          • Colonial Viper 8.1.3.2.1

            Smaller class sizes, more individual teacher attention, more teaching resources as well as ample specialist subject area teachers are some of the good things about private schools.

            The Tories don’t think public schools and poorer kids deserve those advantages, of course.

            • Draco T Bastard 8.1.3.2.1.1

              Smaller class sizes, more individual teacher attention, more teaching resources as well as ample specialist subject area teachers are some of the good things about private schools.

              Important but not the most important. The most important is for their kids to be socialising with the right people and making the right contacts to further their career.

              Once you get that, you don’t actually need a good education.

              • “Important but not the most important. The most important is for their kids to be socialising with the right people and making the right contacts to further their career.

                Once you get that, you don’t actually need a good education.”

                I love Draco’s blind assertions. He is the reason I read The Standard.

                • RedLogix

                  It’s the reason why Auckland Grammar is so sought after.

                  The actual education is not so very much different than many other similar schools; but your peers are.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  What blind assertion?

                  Key cheerfully admits that, coming from Canterbury University, he would “not have had a dog’s show” of entering the company as a graduate.

                  “We started bonding people who went to Harvard. We would be paying the students’ association to point out to us kids that we thought in year one we should be tracking. It’s bloody sick.”

                  It might be sick, but it also might be why Key’s children – Stephanie, 12, and Max, 10 – go to private schools. Mostly, he says, that decision was for educational reasons. Their schools have smaller classes and are better resourced than most state schools. But he acknowledges that the connections children make are also important.

                  That first sentence and considering that Key’s a proven liar I feel justified in saying that the social contacts are actually the most important.

                  • Murray Olsen

                    I agree. They send their brats to private or elite schools so they’ll mix with the (far) right people and not be exposed to the underclass. Oh, except for the Maori and Pasifika that these schools find academic (rugby) scholarships for out of a sense of philanthropy (realising that their own spoilt brats can’t play for shit).

  9. I wonder if anyone can tell me what this article is saying – I’ve read it a few times but, well, … this is the end of it.

    The Treaty is a binding legal document. Wrongs have been committed, Maori property has been taken illegally and these issues should be addressed.

    But the same rights you claim to your people, rights I support, should also apply to me. It is wrong to take other people’s property by force, no matter who they are.
    By Damien Grant:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10822830

    I may have it wrong but it seems he’s moaning because he pays too much tax or something?

    • Pascal's bookie 9.1

      Yep. He’s an idiot.

      Interesting that he thinks he is paying the gst, (not his customers), and he is paying the PAYE (not his employees). If that’s true, then if those taxes were abolished he is saying that he would not lower his prices and he would slash his employee’s wages.

      He also seems to think that he has a treaty with the crown such that he doesn’t have to pay tax, and that therefore any taxation on him is theft.

      He also appears to be somewhat of a fuckwit.

      • Dv 9.1.1

        “I run a small business and almost all of my costs are labour. Every time I earn a dollar, the Government takes 15c. I use what is left to pay staff and the Government takes a third. More than 45c of every dollar that my business earns goes in tax – GST, PAYE, provisional tax, FBT, rates, petrol surcharges, liquor taxes, road-user charges, ACC and even a surcharge on my rates to pay for the museum.”

        He needs a new accountant.

        He thinks he is paying tax on turnover.

    • Bill 9.2

      heh Nothing about his exploitation of his workforce. Nothing about the infrastructure that taxes pay for, the absence of which would make his business impossible to operate. And no recognition of the fact that the same power differential he takes advantage of in business (employer/ labour) is the reason many scrape by on entitlements.

      In short. The worthy poor (those who have a job) deserve to be exploited by him but to be free from any tax. And the unworthy poor (those not being exploited by a boss like him) deserve what they get. Which in his world would be nothing.

      And that’s leaving aside the snide racism that’s splattered throughout his opinion piece.

    • vto 9.3

      He is just unhappy at what he perceives as some unfair burdens. Unfortunately he completely fails to back up his whinge with a good understanding of most of the areas he touches on and then places them together like some sort of ill-fitting jigsaw puzzle with the pieces all out of place meaning the resulting picture is indecipherable.

      I think you need to tip your jigsaw puzzle upside down and start again mr damian grant.

      • Colonial Viper 9.3.1

        I run a small business and almost all of my costs are labour. Every time I earn a dollar, the Government takes 15c.

        This is another example of Damien Grant’s extreme ignorance of the tax system. He talks about the 15% GST that he collects daily on behalf of the Government as if it is his own money.

        Damien – I suggest you talk to your accountant to learn the ABCs of GST. What you will learn is that you hold GST monies in trust for the Government and unlike income tax, it is never ever at any stage of the transaction or even while it is sitting in your bank account, ‘your money’. The IRD gets really pissed off if you treat GST money as if its your own because that is, literally, stealing from the Crown.

        For fucks sake do you not mind demonstrating to the world how clueless you are?

        [I note PB has essentially made the same point]

    • oh dear, it appears i have unwittingly unleashed an internet warrior – anyone know the spell to put him back?

      • McFlock 9.4.1

        lol.
                 
        Randian superheroes leave in a huff after it becomes obvious their opinions aren’t matched by reality.  
                 
        So far it’s happened each and every time. 

  10. damien grant 10

    I do not need a new accountant, thanks DV, it is why I said most of my expenses are labour, and marty mars, my point is exactly that I am paying too much tax, and Bill, there is no racism, snide or otherwise, and Pascal, yes, I do think that my business pays the tax but that is not the point, the cash leaves the business, no matter how it is dressed up.

    I always enjoy the personal abuse I get here at The Standard.

    • bad12 10.1

      You poor wee thing, Vanuatu is close if you want to re-locate to a tax free location…

      • damien grant 10.1.1

        I think you miss the point of a tax haven. You can earn income there but live here.

        It works quite well, thanks.

        • bad12 10.1.1.1

          Well if you are taking advantage of such a tax haven as you insinuate why the fuck are you whining like a bitch in heat that can’t slip the chain…

          • damien grant 10.1.1.1.1

            Bceause bad12, I care about those who cannot, those on PAYE incomes who are voer taxed because the rich can arrange their income in such a way as they pay a very low marginal rate of tax.

            • bad12 10.1.1.1.1.1

              What a load of f**king sh*t, your whole puerile article was simply Wah Wah Wah tax is theft why should you pay it,

              Your moral bankruptcy is on show here for all to view, if a certain income group is not paying their share of the tax as adjudged by the Parliament then you should be advocating to that Parliament that they tighten up the rules and enforcement around taxation and the collection of it,

              In particular if you are so concerned,(which incidently i don’t believe for a moment), you would be advocating through your access to the mainstream media that the deliberate avoidance of taxation become just as criminal in the eyes of the law as the evasion of taxation is,

              That you have not done so just goes to show that your faux concern for the ordinary PAYE worker expressed belatedly here is Bullsh*t,

              My view is that as a commenter you have imparted anything of worth,(nothing),in your previous comments and you are fast becoming a ‘smiley face candidate’…

    • xtasy 10.2

      Well, if criticism here is instantly interpreted as “abuse”, the NZ Herald commenters that mostly comment to your so one eyed, biased articles in that mainstream media outlet, then you should be well used to “abuse” as a regular Herald writer, aye?

    • millsy 10.3

      As a libertarian, the only acceptable level of tax for DG is 0%.

      • bad12 10.3.1

        As wee damien seems to be insinuating He either avoids or evades taxation by the use of a foreign tax haven my diagnosis would be that He needs a good TAX AUDIT from the much maligned and under-staffed IRD where they turn Him upside down and shake Him vigorously in an effort to locate any small change they may have missed the first time round,

        To that end, always wishing to oblige and aid the wee damiens of this world, i will have to dig out the 0800 taxcheat number to try and arrange His massaging…

      • damien grant 10.3.2

        Well, no. Libertarians believe in different things, a bit like Christians, but most believe that we need a state to do things like run a police force etc, and this needs to be paid for somehow.

        Thus, taxes cannot be zero, but would be minimal. The question of how these minimal taxes can be collected is an issue of considerable and often heated debate within the tiny libertarian community.

        • Colonial Viper 10.3.2.1

          An economic system which more evenly distributes the wealth of society to labour, and not mainly to those who control capital, will allow you to dramatically reduce Government spending, and to dramatically reduce tax rates.

          • damien grant 10.3.2.1.1

            Yes, I am aware of this argument and I can see its appeal but I am uncertain if the economics behind it work.

            Why does equality matter? Reducing poverty matters, equality is irrelevant. It assumes that there is a fixed stock of wealth in the economy, but there is not. Wealth creators do just that, make wealth where none existed before, often leaving everyone else a little better off than they were.

            Sam Morgan made a lot of money but in the process he left us all a little better off than we were before his company began.

            • Colonial Viper 10.3.2.1.1.1

              So you’re not willing to explore economic changes which would allow Government to greatly reduce spending and greatly reduce taxation.

              Those are the things you say you want, after all.

              Wealth creators do just that, make wealth where none existed before,

              Amongst the most powerful capitalists in the system are ticket clippers and wealth siphoners. They create and produce nothing, they simply own.

              There’s a reason that Goldman Sach’s nick name is the ‘Vampire Squid’.

              Why does equality matter? Reducing poverty matters, equality is irrelevant.

              All the social sciences research says you are wrong. Increasing inequality leads to very much worse social and healthcare outcomes. But what would you care about such details?

            • Draco T Bastard 10.3.2.1.1.2

              Why does equality matter?

              IMO,Two major reasons:
              1.) Status: As a social animal excessively low status causes problems for society which often end costing huge amounts
              2.) Those people without access to the resources needed to innovate don’t cutting off a source of betterment for society

              It assumes that there is a fixed stock of wealth in the economy, but there is not.

              Actually, there is only a limited amount of resources available at any one time this makes the economy a zero sum game whether you like it or not. We take some of that available and add to the sum total of wealth in society but even that hits hard physical limits after awhile as resources peak and then go into decline, i.e, Peak Oil. The only possible solution is a stable state economy that improves it’s position but does not use up resources.

              Now, back to that zero sum game: If 65% of the resources available goes to the top 10% of the population then the other 90% need to live on the remaining 35% and that means a hell of a lot of people living in poverty – just as we see in the real world every time free-market capitalism is tried.

              Sam Morgan made a lot of money but in the process he left us all a little better off than we were before his company began.

              Actually, the result of the capitalist function applied to TradeMe is that we’re all getting slowly poorer due to the dead weight loss of profit.

            • OneTrack 10.3.2.1.1.3

              DG, equality is always better. Even if everybody was begging in the gutter, that would be better than if almost everybody was on 50k and just one rich prick was getting 60k.

              Except for party members of course. They are more equal.

              • Colonial Viper

                All I’d like to see is that every person who wants a full time job, gets a full time job, and is held accountable for doing that job well.

                That would begin to address some of the serious issues of poverty in this country.

              • Draco T Bastard

                The average wage is, IIRC, ~$58k. At that rate I don’t think anyone would be begging in the gutter which is what we have now due to a few people taking far more than they require or deserve.

      • mike e 10.3.3

        Bailouts negative taxes are allright for libertarians all 0.0001 % of the population but the selfish little Narcissists have a much bigger say that their vote gets, money buys policy under mining our democratic right to set taxes to the ability to pay .
        building a fairer inclusive society(civilized)!

    • Pascal's bookie 10.4

      “Pascal, yes, I do think that my business pays the tax but that is not the point, the cash leaves the business, no matter how it is dressed up.”

      Then you’re an idiot, as noted. But money leaves your business to pay all sorts of things. It’s called an economy.

      Where’s this thing you have that equates to the treaty by the way? I thought that was the most hilarious part.

      • Colonial Viper 10.4.1

        Where’s this thing you have that equates to the treaty by the way? I thought that was the most hilarious part.

        His ego and self styled “Masters of the Universe” act?

        • damien grant 10.4.1.1

          Actually, if you read carefully, I was admitting that I am not a Master of the Universe. Do the numbers and you will see I do not earn that much money.

          I am a small business owner earning less than a minister of the crown.

          • Colonial Viper 10.4.1.1.1

            My ‘Masters of the Universe’ quip spoke to your attitude not to the reality. As a small business person, you should be more aware that you need to be focussing on sales and revenue growth not dodging taxes, if you want to get ahead.

      • damien grant 10.4.2

        Honestly, why do you Standard types need to resort to personal abuse?

        I believe The treaty is about property rights and I have said before, it should be honoured.

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10784921

        I was making the point that if you believe it is wrong for the Crown to take Maori property by force, and I do think that, then it is equally wrong for the Crown to take my property by force.

        There are arguments against my views of course, I can see both sides of the debate, but I liked the symmetry here.

        • Colonial Viper 10.4.2.1

          I believe The treaty is about property rights

          The Maori who signed the Treaty didn’t believe in property rights at all.

          FAIL dude.

          • damien grant 10.4.2.1.1

            Ummm,

            Actually, they did. The viewed property as being owed collectively, the English see it being owned by a person or a legal entity, but Maori believed that they owned and wish to retain their lands.

            • Colonial Viper 10.4.2.1.1.1

              Wow you are just lost mate. The Treaty, from the Maori standpoint, centred upon the guarantee of tribal rangatiratanga.

              Not whatever the fuck you are making up.

        • Pascal's bookie 10.4.2.2

          iI was making the point that if you believe it is wrong for the Crown to take Maori property by force, and I do think that, then it is equally wrong for the Crown to take my property by force.

          I know that’s the point you were making Damien, but that word ‘equally’ that implies that there is something like the treaty that you have to fall back on, something that the crown is not honouring with regard to your tax status. If there isn’t, then it’s not an equal situation. I don’t think there is such a thing.

          I just think you’re whinging about paying taxes that you were well aware of being owed when you set up business.

          You said you think people should follow the laws in place. Great. So that means your taxes aren’t theft. It’s not difficult.

          I’m also n unconvinced byt your bleating about insults. You post at SOLO right? Hardly wall flowers when it comes to throwing invective around.

    • Dv 10.5

      Every time I earn a dollar, the Government takes 15c.

      Is that not a turn over tax?

      • damien grant 10.5.1

        Yes, the math is not perfect, but being a professional services firm I have very little GST deductions, most of my costs are labour and thus not deductable, but there is a trade off in being exact and keeping the reader engaged. I’m writing an opinion piece to convey an idea, but I did use the word earn, and not invoice, if that helps!

        None the less, you understand my point, even if you do not agree with me.

        • Vicky32 10.5.1.1

          Yes, the math (sic) is not perfect,

          Sadly, neither is your English! :roll: (trying that out!)

        • DH 10.5.1.2

          “Yes, the math is not perfect, but being a professional services firm I have very little GST deductions, most of my costs are labour and thus not deductable”

          I’ll add a bit more to the GST debate….

          You’d pay very little, if any, GST in your line of business. You’re selling services to mostly other businesses. You charge GST and the (business) client claims it back. No GST is collected by the taxman from those transactions. Anything you purchase on the business tab you can claim the GST content back – no GST paid by you there either.

          I don’t know why you assume you ‘earn’ GST, you’d know that non GST-registered businesses can’t charge GST so it’s pretty clear that you’re collecting tax & not earning it.

    • Draco T Bastard 10.6

      Taxes are payment for services rendered. You don’t want the services then you’re quite welcome to fuck off. Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out.

      • damien grant 10.6.1

        Draco,

        Good manners cost nothing. If you wish to discuss this then I am pleased to do so, if you simply wish to hurl abuse, then of course you can do so on your own on the naughty step.

        Off you go.

        • Colonial Viper 10.6.1.1

          You want to impoverish workers, the under class, and the country as a whole for your own personal benefit, but you want us to show you good manners?

          Fuck. Right. Off.

          • prism 10.6.1.1.1

            Damien grant
            DG is a small business owner. He has become self-employed, or a contractor, and tried to break out of the wage earner, worker category. Now he thinks he had joined an upper class, on a higher level than wage earners. He doesn’t know how low mini SMEs are in the business ladder, and how Marx might still see him as petit bourgeois, just a fraction above wage earners.

    • Bill 10.7

      Maori, let’s be honest, are disproportionately heavy users of the welfare system.

      That’s a nice ‘neutral’ way to refer to people claiming entitlements that are rightfully theirs in a situation where ye grande olde market economy has kicked them into touch, don’t you think? Now I get it that you don’t see things that way and would rather see poverty as a matter of choice. Which means you effectively say in your article that Maori are bludgers. Much bigger bludgers, as you’re obviously anxious for us to appreciate, than the whiteys… (Housing New Zealand reports 75,000 Maori living in state houses, many paying little or no rent, compared with just 54,000 Pakeha. As tax is based on income, Maori contribute less per head than Pakeha towards its funding.)

      So yeah. That’s just one example of the snide racist crap I was alluding to. I’m not even going to touch on the ridiculous and offensive notion you try to peddle, that you as a business person have as much right to feel aggreived as Maori when it comes to property rights.

      But it all A-OK. Coz those worthy Maori – those who are not in state housing or on welfare entitlements…well, you’ve nothing bad to say about them. I mean, hell, you even almost accord them the same status as you do yourself….in a patronising fucked up sort of a way. Y’know, the faux concern that the unworthy Maori are dragging the worthy Maori down in much the same way as they (the unworthy Maori) are dragging you (the worthy whitey) down.

      Some-one who is privileged and who cries ‘Victim!’ as an expression of their ill founded sense of entitlement is someone who is betraying themselves as a somewhat despicable excuse for a human being. Don’t you think so Damien?

      • damien grant 10.7.1

        Bill,

        I have a belief that the current welfare system is broken and is not solving the problem of poverty.

        Maori are, in my world view, victims, because multiple generations are trapped into welfare.

        Now, I may be wrong, sure, make that case, and certainly the numbers on improving Maori engagement are impressive, but what about the counter-factual? What if there was no social welfare? Would the poor actually starve? Would they be homeless?

        I do not think that they would. I think that if taxes were lower and there was no social welfare then those who wanted to work would be able to, they would get to keep more of their money, and it would rain less.

        That means that I disagree with your politics, it does not make me a bad person.

        • Colonial Viper 10.7.1.1

          I have a belief that the current welfare system is broken and is not solving the problem of poverty.

          Absolutely, I think that everyone who wants full time work should be given full time work, even if it is on the minimum wage, and be expected to perform that work to a good standard.

        • bad12 10.7.1.2

          :roll:

        • Bill 10.7.1.3

          I have a belief that the current welfare system is broken and is not solving the problem of poverty.

          True. But then the welfare system is (at least these days) meant to provide the stick of poverty that will encourage people back into the market to sell their labour no matter the terms and conditions available in the market.

          Maori are, in my world view, victims, because multiple generations are trapped into welfare.

          Maori and poor people of other cultures are victims market entrapment – not the welfare provisions that were created to ameliorate the effects of being excluded from the market. And before you’re tempted to suggest I’m contradicting myself there, bear in mind that the imposition of the market forcibly robbed people of independent means and made them dependent on being able to sell their labour to get from others what they themselves used to be able to provide to themselves.

          Now, I may be wrong, sure, make that case, and certainly the numbers on improving Maori engagement are impressive, but what about the counter-factual? What if there was no social welfare? Would the poor actually starve? Would they be homeless?

          Of course they would be homeless and starve! the evidence is there in any and every other country that has a market economy but no welfare provisions.

          I do not think that they would. I think that if taxes were lower and there was no social welfare then those who wanted to work would be able to, they would get to keep more of their money, and it would rain less.

          Everybody already does work Damien. (Yes. Even the unemployed.) The point you’re missing is that only a small percentage of some types of work make money. And even in a zero tax scenario, the market could not possibly support everyone making money from their work activities. Competition would lead to those who go under selling their labour to others and then becoming homeless and starving in the event that the person exploiting them lost in the arena of market competition. So it isn’t hard to imagine workers on ‘starvation diets’ (boss needs to cut production costs to survive) working their arses off in heinous conditions only – and I do mean ‘only’ – to stay alive until the next day. And again. There are examples of this happening all around the world.

          That means that I disagree with your politics, it does not make me a bad person.

          Can a person who ascribes to misanthropic ideas be a good person? Maybe. But in such a case, their adherence to the idea would be short lived as it would have been based on a genuine lack of understanding as to the impact their idea would have.

        • McFlock 10.7.1.4

          Now, I may be wrong, sure, make that case, and certainly the numbers on improving Maori engagement are impressive, but what about the counter-factual? What if there was no social welfare? Would the poor actually starve? Would they be homeless?
          I do not think that they would. I think that if taxes were lower and there was no social welfare then those who wanted to work would be able to, they would get to keep more of their money, and it would rain less.

          So your suggestion is that homelessness and starvation can’t exist in New Zealand? Or is it just that some people want to lose their homes or starve?
            
               
           

        • Bill 10.7.1.5

          Sheesh :roll: See how easily I was sidetracked. Again! Not a single word in that there reply from Damien about the racism contained in his ‘Herald’ article. Wonder why that might be? It’s certainly not because I’m seeing something there that no-one else sees. A quick read of the comments on the Herald web site show just how much various racist poodles appreciated Damien’s whistle.

        • Draco T Bastard 10.7.1.6

          What if there was no social welfare? Would the poor actually starve? Would they be homeless?

          Yes, they would starve and be homeless. We saw it in the 19th century when modern welfare policies weren’t in place.

          I do not think that they would. I think that if taxes were lower and there was no social welfare then those who wanted to work would be able to, they would get to keep more of their money, and it would rain less.

          That means that I disagree with your politics, it does not make me a bad person.

          That’s because you’re denying the evidence as it goes against your delusional beliefs.

          One of the changes over the last few centuries is the realisation that we can’t run a community on opinion any more and that we have to base our decisions upon the evidence. Neo-liberal/libertarian and conservative socio-economic theories are an outright denial of that evidence. That’s why they never work.

          • TheContrarian 10.7.1.6.1

            “That’s because you’re denying the evidence as it goes against your delusional beliefs.”

            says the guy with the delusional belief that NZ is a dictatorship.

            • McFlock 10.7.1.6.1.1

              I’m intrigued. got a link? Not that I’d accuse you of taking something out of context, of course.

              • Draco will remember. Him and me have had this discussion before a wee while back. He’ll stroll along sooner or later and claim the same. Supporting his position with “it’s obvious”.

                • McFlock

                  Oh wow, so no links then? Big surprise.

                  • Only because I am feeling generous today, Flocksie…

                    http://thestandard.org.nz/nats-pollster-reveals-asset-sale-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-486339

                    edit: If you look up and down that page you’ll see him claim it a few times…..You’re welcome.

                    • McFlock

                      lolz.
                             
                      So basically you did take Dtb out of context
                      Nice thread, though – highlighting “dictatorship” really demonstrates how you fuck around with definitions to frame a debate, too.
                         
                      Like when dtb provided a readily accessible definition of what they were talking about here (which incudes “absolute, imperious, or overbearing power or control.”),  and you said “The definition of dictatorship is not under debate.”. Then 20 minutes later you supply your own definition which is a subtle slide from dtb’s.
                          
                      Dick. 

                    • So you’re saying NZ is a dictatorship?

                      “demonstrates how you fuck around with definitions”

                      If you have another definition of dictatorship I am all ears.

                    • McFlock

                      An elected dictatorship. 61 people following the guidance of one slippery prick can overrule the wishes of the rest of the country for 3 years. In practically any way he wants.
                             
                      No doubt you’ll conjugate that out of context, too. 

                    • “An elected dictatorship. 61 people following the guidance of one slippery prick can overrule the wishes of the rest of the country for 3 years. In practically any way he wants.”

                      Not a dictatorship.

                    • McFlock
                      If you have another definition of dictatorship I am all ears.

                       

                      read the post again. DTB supplied you with one, dick. You said you weren’t going to debate with it, then ignored it and supplied your own variation. 

                    • McFlock
                      Not a dictatorship.

                       
                       

                      Definitely counts as overbearing or imperious control, even absolute (is the death penalty repeal retrenched?).
                         
                      You’ll have to do better than a “blind assertion“, toryboy

                    • “read the post again. DTB supplied you with one, dick”

                      So you are also going to claim NZ is a dictatorship?

                      Citation needed.

                      “supplied your own variation.”
                      Yes, because the definition I supplied was purely my own….oh wait….

                      Question for McFlock; NZ is a dictatorship – Yes/No?

                    • McFlock

                      I’ve already said “elected dictatorship”.
                          
                      Oh, and the definition that happened to suit your framing – you never supplied a source. DTB did. I wonder if you took your definition as out of context as dtb’s statement?
                                  

                       

        • Vicky32 10.7.1.7

          and there was no social welfare then those who wanted to work would be able to, they would get to keep more of their money, and it would rain less.

          The last 4 words of your quoted sentence show that you’re simply taking the piss!
          Yes, numbnuts, we would starve because the frakking jobs don’t exist! Half wit.

          • mike e 10.7.1.7.1

            Contra starting with granny herald right down through the layers of power that run this country the right has controll pun. or is that Contraoll. upper hand.

  11. captain hook 11

    Draco +1.
    oh gosh you are norty draco and its so great to have people like mr grant to put you in your place.
    larfffs.
    who the f*ck does he think he is?
    anyway I’m here today to ask everybody to get on to the Finance and Expenditure Select Cttee on the RBNZ Covered Bonds Amendment Bill.
    this bill allows overseas banks to borrow on our credit and if anything goes wrong then we have to pay.
    It also rearranges the debtors list so depositors are the last to get their money if the bank tanks.
    And it wasn so long ago that Westpac nearly bit the dust due to their own rogue traders adventures.
    Anyway time for the standard bearers to get down tothis comittee and or start asking the RBNZ questions.
    Dont let them get away with it.

  12. damien grant 12

    Ok,

    I have to go now, thanks to the person who emailed me an invite to come here.

    Not sure about the level of personal abuse is necessary but ok. Good luck with the IRD audit there bad12, and Viper, keep up the good work!

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      :roll:

    • bad12 12.2

      +1 :roll:

    • Blue 12.3

      Just a tip, Damien. Stop whinging about the personal abuse. The ‘poor me, I’m being abused’ schtick hasn’t worked for PeteyG and he’s been trying it on a lot longer than you have.

      If you step into the ring, people are going to throw punches at you. Learn to cope or go hide under your pillow.

    • prism 12.4

      Fascinating Damien. Please do name the person who emailed an invite to comment on The Standard. You are too polite and self-effacing I think. Anybody can come to Open Mike, with a few controls and guidelines. Has crowd sourcing replaced the excitement of individual exploration?

    • Yah dude, coming to The Standard with a different opinion is asking for abuse. These are some of the nastiest fuckers I have ever encountered. Which is saying something as I cut my teeth on conservapedia. Hell, those conservatives are tame in comparison to these swine.

      But thats what you get when you encounter internet tough guys with fuck all else to do but stride around a comment board pretending to be gods among crazy men.

      • McFlock 12.5.1

        I love it when tory sloganeers form a support group. 

        • TheContrarian 12.5.1.1

          I love it when people like McFlock label anyone who doesn’t share their narrow view on the world scream “tory”. Hell, I am probably more liberal than most of the people here but because I don’t share his particular brand of rationality….TORY!

          • McFlock 12.5.1.1.1

            Yeah, you really come across as the next Len1n or Michael Joseph Savage. Shit, I bet you listen to the Red Flag every night.

            • TheContrarian 12.5.1.1.1.1

              Yah, only McFlock can decide ones political opinions.

              You know McFlock, me and you probably have many things in common. We quite possibly share the same attitude towards justice, politics and social well-being. Shit, we could have been friends, lovers even (if I were so inclined – I am rather good looking but not gay).

              Unfortunately your knee-jerk reactions to people that might not agree with you 100% make you quite a nasty, irrational and revolting person. Heh, almost like a tory, you might say.

              Ahh well, good luck with that. Perhaps one day we can be together.

              • McFlock

                Apart from the fact that I can disagree (sometimes quite strongly) with dtb, cv, and a variety of other folk without thinking they are lying tory fuckwits.

                • Yes, all you have is “thinking” I am a lying tory fuckwit.

                  But it isn’t you that tells me what I believe.

                  I think you’re a bestiality driven necrophiliac and because I think it I must be right.

                  I’m going to bed. To sleep in my woven tory silk sheets a top a pile of slave babies. See you tomorrow, sweets.

                  • McFlock

                    adios motherfucker.
                       
                    You’ve expressed quite clearly what you believe.  All the problems in the world are just there for you to trool about at your computer until you cum.

        • mike e 12.5.1.2

          WE a000000000000000000000000re all flocking to take the Mc out of anyone who just follows the party line especially the rights bad policies.
          Theirs quite a bit of criticism of all views here do your homework and dish up policies that work
          in other countries and not failed policy.reheated from the likes of England and Germany the US where republicans have control in the upper and lower houses and stagnating the economy by inaction the latest spin from the right as they try to resell austerity and lower taxes the well off.
          The right want to take us back to only the most powerful have a right to taking all and giving as little.
          Civilization is about everybody having a right to participating.
          Otherwise we are going backwards to a model of primitive behaviour where the alpha males take all and the rest get left behind.
          Cooperation has brought civilization
          Selfishness is undoing civilization reducing it back to animal instincts winner takes all .
          All the O’s are my cat he thinks he’s computer literate! God you should see some of the stuff he writes it makes more sense than Shonkeys mumbling,
          I bet you he’s hoping they draw a ballet in parliament to make mumbling an official language!

      • mike e 12.5.2

        contrary to your beliefs KB is far worse as it is humourless as well as bigoted if you want someone that agrees with everything you say try pg.

  13. Logie97 13

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10823015

    So Graham Henry appears to be asserting that in 2007 the All Blacks were playing 16 plus men. Of course the referee in that match told Luke McAlister that he was to cynically obstruct an attacking Frenchman so that he should then be able to send him to the sin-bin for 10 minutes.

    We need to remember that the All Blacks have never ever been beaten by better sides (not even by the all conquering 1971 Lions). The All Blacks just didn’t win on those days.

    • Murray Olsen 13.1

      Spoken like a real kiwi patriot.

    • Morrissey 13.2

      So Graham Henry appears to be asserting that in 2007 the All Blacks were playing 16 plus men.

      “Sir” Graham has a book to sell. Whoever wrote the dull thing for him obviously decided he needed something juicy to stir up publicity and entice a few fools to actually part with their money for a Christmas present for Dad. The trouble is, however, that “Sir” Graham’s comments are not only dishonest, but demonstrably dishonest.

      Even worse for him, is that he (or more likely, his genius of a ghost-writer) has opened up the likelihood of further close reviews of the scandalous non-performance of the referee in last year’s RWC final. While there is not a skerrick of evidence to support “Sir” Graham’s dishonest claims, there is evidence that a referee colluded with his own team to pervert the course of rugby football….

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=1XBqetaCfgo

  14. joe90 14

    The mask slips, again.

    Aidan Burley MP

    Thank God the athletes have arrived! Now we can move on from leftie multi-cultural crap. Bring back red arrows, Shakespeare and the Stones!

    The most leftie opening ceremony I have ever seen – more than Beijing, the capital of a communist state! Welfare tribute next?

    That’ll be this Aidan Burley MP

    Friends of a high-flying Tory MP are ‘facing prosecution’ for chanting offensive Nazi slogans in a crowded restaurant at a French ski resort – where one of the party dressed in an SS uniform.
    Aidan Burley, MP for Cannock Chase in Staffordshire, was with 12 friends, some of whom chanted ‘Hitler, Hitler, Hitler’. One toasted the ‘Third Reich’ and one taunted a waiter for being French.

    • Morrissey 14.1

      Until last week Adrian Burley, John Banks and Maggie Barry would have been contenders for the world’s stupidest politician.

      But then “Mitt the Twit” stepped up to the podium, and removed all doubt.

      John McCain in 2008, now Mitt the Twit in 2012: if this is all the Republican Party can come up with, then not only that party, but the whole of the United States is in dire trouble. Would any other democracy tolerate such an openly racist candidate as Romney?

  15. joe90 15

    Oh dear, a Koch funded study finds ‘Global Warming Is Real’, ‘On The High End’ And ‘Essentially All’ Due To Carbon Pollution.

  16. just saying 16

    Damn, this blog link deserves a better audience than the graveyard of Sunday night, so I’ll cut and paste it in tomorrow morning’s OM (unless anyone objects).

    From The Political Scientist’ Underneath the Underclass:
    http://www.thepoliticalscientist.org/?p=571#more-571

    (and the links are well worth following – time for me to get some Bageant form the library!).

    …In the end, there’s an underclass simply because ‘we are all individualistic now’.

    Underneath the underclass is simply the logic of today’s world.

    Without wanting to distract attention from the severe plight of those most clearly at the sharp end of this experience, there is a real sense in which we are all experiencing, day to day, the forces that push people into the so-called underclass.

    Lives – and ways of life – are being dismantled constantly. Many in the middle class are simply better able to afford the self-medications and have the wherewithal to put enough strapping around the ‘centre’ to ensure it holds together each day.

    But there’s always the fear that the strapping will come loose. The last word on the scale of the underclass belongs to Joe Bageant…

    • mac1 16.1

      just saying- try Bageant’s “Deer Hunting With Jesus” which was not mentioned in that link. I’ll try his later book mentioned- thanks for that. I was really struck by ‘Deer Hunting.”

      • TheContrarian 16.1.1

        I didn’t enjoy “Deer Hunting With Jesus” myself. He started being Thompson-esque before finding his own voice. Seemed rather amateur to be honest. But that is just my opinion

        • mac1 16.1.1.1

          My comment was directed at the substance of his argument and his description of the American underclass and its origins rather than his literary style. I don’t recall his style-just a description of an America that I wouldn’t want NZ to approach within a country mile but which I fear is the likely outcome of the policies of this government and some of its supporters.

          Could you see the NZ parallels within “Deer Hunting with Jesus?”

          • TheContrarian 16.1.1.1.1

            Not really because it was so culturally Ameri-centric.

            • mac1 16.1.1.1.1.1

              As are we in many ways so culturally Ameri-centric. Listen to our pop music, our ads, view our fashions, our TV and the origins of many of our political ideas- heh, even think of the place where our PM holidays.

              Consider the store chains, Burger outlets, fuel companies, franchises, blues, jazz, country music, hip hop, low slung trousers, OMG et al.

              The root causes of systemic poverty in the American way of life- poor education, restricted social vision, corporate greed, individualism, low wages, de-unionising, religious fundamentalism, inter-generational poverty of spirit and understanding, and more- described by Joe Bageant have their parallels here, that I can identify.

              Look at this government’s moves against beneficiaries, to effect lower wages, to introduce national standards in education, charter schools, lower taxes for the wealthy, gambling casinos. These mostly if not all have been major American initiatives.

              • Vicky32

                As are we in many ways so culturally Ameri-centric

                • Vicky32

                  What on earth happened to the rest of it? There were 200 words at least!
                  Absolutely right! I see it here (because it’s what interests me) in spelling/grammar all the time! “Math”, “center”, “different than” etc., and it amazes me the lengths people go to justify it! *
                  I remember a couple of years ago, using a Kiwi idiom to a teenage receptionist at a company, and being met with a slack-jawed puzzled gape! When I translated it to American, she understood immediately.
                  I wonder how (or even whether) she communicates with her grandparents? 
                  * I remember a DJ on commercial radio years ago, prating on about ‘guess stations’ (he meant gas), and when I rang (I did that then, as my kids were young, and I was concerned about role models confusing them) and pointed out that petrol is not a gas until it enters the carburettor and not even then, as my son recently pointed out – the man sneered “Anyway, it’s short for ‘guessoleen’ (gasoline), whatever gasoline is – a brand name?

                  • Morrissey

                    “Math” is far superior to the ridiculous and almost unpronounceable “maths”.

                    • Vicky32

                      “Math” is far superior to the ridiculous and almost unpronounceable “maths”

                      As a friend of mine called that once pointed out “Math” is a Welsh name!
                      On the subject of Americanisms, how can anyone pronounce ‘a orange’? How are they different?
                      My point was, no one over 20 grew up speaking American, so why are New Zealanders to whom it’s new, so fierce in defence of the language – because it’s that of Empire? I foresee a time not so long from now when I say to someone ‘Ka Kite’ and get the response ‘Wha’?’ (slack jawed grin) and when I say ‘have a nice day, see you later’ comprehension dawns…
                      When I hear someone say “I had gotten the elevator to put the trash out on the kerb, and I saw that next door’s cat had passed away (spelt past away, I saw today :D) when the garbage truck flattened it” I want to projectile vomit.
                      (What is it about passed away anyway? Why are people too scared/mealy mouthed to say ‘died’?)

      • Murray Olsen 16.1.2

        Deer Hunting with Jesus is a great book. To imply that it is irrelevant to Aotearoa is to ignore the whole chardonnay socialist crap thought up by some overpaid bullshit artist, for a start.

  17. felix 17

    I mostly like the way Damien thinks PAYE is a tax on him.

    Like if his employees didn’t have to pay tax to the state, they’d be able to pay it to him instead.

    • Colonial Viper 17.1

      Hence, that is the way that King Damien sees his dominion.

      • felix 17.1.1

        It’s never far from the surface with those fuckers, eh? Lib’ for me, ‘tarian for everyone else.

    • mike e 17.2

      felix these type Damien are the devil reincarnate the only time they will be happy is when they providing Chinese sweat shop conditions for the workers

    • Draco T Bastard 17.3

      Like if his employees didn’t have to pay tax to the state, they’d be able to pay it to him instead.

      He does see it that way. As Pascal’s Bookie points out, if PAYE was removed he wouldn’t actually pay his employees any more in hand – what he’d do is just keep the PAYE portion himself.

  18. National may be more contemporary in their thinking than we thought, they are the ultimate steam punks.
    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/national-party-ultimate-steampunks.html

  19. prism 19

    I hear Media Report advising NZ coverage of the Olympic games by newspapers does not include one female reporter – 17 males not one female. If it was the other way round I would see that was PC gone mad but there are some hot shot women out there able to do this sporty stuff.

    You backward-sliding macho so and sos, get your act together – you should have at least four
    women in the team, you girls blouses. (Just using some of the female put-downs dickheads understand.)

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    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
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    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • No time for self-pity
    After 23 meetings across the largest non-Maori electorate in the country – almost all of which went fantastically, approx 4,500km on the odometer, positive MSM and social media coverage, and polling well, I admit my team and I headed to...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • The 30 second speech that could have saved the Moment of Truth
    As the dust settles and we struggle to understand what the bloody hell happened on Saturday, many point to Kim’s failure at the Moment of Truth to present his evidence. I think that Kim was poorly advised and that politics requires a...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Internet MANA and the 2014 election
    It was always going to be a hard task for Hone Harawira to hold onto his Te Tai Tokerau seat when the political establishment united in a coalition to defeat him and the chance for Internet MANA to bring more...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Unity in Action
    Yes the Left have taken a drubbing, but never mind, time to pick ourselves up off the floor, patch up our wound pride, dust ourselves off, cast around for our friends and allies, and re-enter the fray. Lots of work...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • A Fiji democratic mandate for the coup leader – what now for the media?
    Attorney-General Sayad-Khaiyum and Rear-Admiral (Ret) Voreqe Bainimarama’s Fiji First party is poised to lead the country in the next four years. Photo: Mads Anneberg, an AUT Pacific Media Centre student on internship in Suva with Repúblika Magazine and Pacific Scoop...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Why I voted Labour and why 2017 will be different
    As a 3nd and 5th generation Kiwi-Indian (depending on which side of the family we have to go with), my relationship with New Zealand is a special one. Like other New Zealanders who are not of the Caucasian variety, the...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Humble Pie
    Oh. My. God. This was a heartbreaking nightmare. I was wrong, horribly, horribly, horribly wrong. I honestly believed that the resources, the media attention, the vile toxic politics exposed by Dirty Politics and the mass surveillance lies would have seen...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Election 2014; A Post-mortem; a Wake; and one helluva hang-over
    .   . It would be fair to say that the results for Election 2014 did not go as anticipated. The Left has had a drubbing – and some of it was of our own making. In other aspects, there...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Reward offered in latest seal shooting
    It is with shock and dismay that our organization learns of the latest shooting of a New Zealand fur seal, this one on Stewart Island. This is the third such crime to reach our attentions since May this year and...
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Taxpayers Forgotten in Ministerial Horse-Trading
    Responding to the Prime Minister’s comments reported on Radio New Zealand , that he is considering giving Act MP David Seymour a ministerial role because “When they have more staffing and resources as a result of a junior ministerial role...
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Labour’s Defeat Points to a Forgotten Target Market
    With the devastating defeat for the Labour Party in the election, Labour seems to have lost touch with what resonates with New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Cunliffe may survive year but doomed by end of 2015
    NZ First is expected to take one seat off Labour once special votes are counted, maintaining the election-night result that John Key’s National Party will be able to govern alone, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders...
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Making All New Zealand the Place Talent Wants to Live
    The development of the provinces is becoming a major issue for New Zealand, and for the new Government. Television New Zealand’s Sunday programme (21 September) addressed the plight of towns such as Whanganui, where jobs and populations are declining....
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • China’s booming torture trade revealed
    The flourishing trade, manufacture and export of tools of torture by Chinese companies is fuelling human rights violations across Africa and Asia, new research by Amnesty International and the Omega Research Foundation reveals....
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • President Obama Congratulates Key
    The President called Prime Minister Key late last evening to congratulate him on his third electoral victory....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Seven Pasifika MPs elected – highest number ever
    AUCKLAND ( Pacific Media Watch / The New Zealand Herald ): The highest number of Pasifika MPs elected in New Zealand's history were voted in at the weekend general election....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • LGNZ congratulates National
    LGNZ congratulates National Local Government New Zealand (LGNZ) congratulates re-elected Prime Minister John Key and the National led government on winning their third consecutive term following Saturday’s general election. LGNZ President Lawrence Yule acknowledges...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • The Letter – 22 September 2014
    John Key’s win is historic. In the history of MMP elections – worldwide – ever – no government has won an absolute majority. MMP was imposed on Germany to make sure that country never had another Hitler. It is designed...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election Coverage – None Better Than Trans Tasman
    To get a steer on what was going to happen in the election - away from the histrionics of the mainstream coverage - the best place to go was The Main Report Group’s weekly political report Trans Tasman....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Federated Farmers intemperate
    For the second time in a week Federated Farmers has made intemperate and provocative comments on environmental issues, says EDS....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • MP’s Stolen Items Recovered
    Following a complaint to Parliamentary Services today [ September 19 ], items which had been stolen from NZ First MP Andrew Williams’ Wellington parliamentary office have been recovered and returned....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election results bad news for those on benefits
    Beneficiary Advocate Kay Brereton says, “ The election result holds no good news for people on benefits, National campaigned successfully with their beneficiary bashing agenda, and will now believe their punitive treatment of beneficiaries has the support...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Opportunity to progress water infrastructure
    “National’s re-election is an opportunity to develop the infrastructure New Zealand needs to provide surety of water for agriculture, town drinking water supply, waterways, recreational use and to future proof the country from climate change,” says Andrew...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Wellington City joins the global call for 100% clean
    At 1:00 pm, residents and visitors of Wellington gathered at the summit of Mt Victoria to join the millions strong call for a 100% clean future....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Hikoi with us from Cape Reinga to Auckland Oil Conference!
    Monday 22 September 2014: Maori from different tribal areas along the western length of Northland are organising a hikoi starting on Saturday to a Government oil conference in Auckland to make sure that Norwegian oil giant Statoil gets the message:...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls
    Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls National re-elected to third term with record high vote as Labour slumps to worst result in over 90 years...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National-led Government wins mandate for RMA reforms
    An unprecedented increase in support for the third-term National Party, the best electoral performance since 1899, has delivered a clear mandate for reform of the Resource Management Act says Federated Farmers. “Vital reforms to the RMA have...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • New Zealand says no to Culture of Death
    Right to Life is pleased that the people of New Zealand have rejected a culture of death by refusing to elect a Labour/Green government that supported the decriminalisation of abortion....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Steven Joyce
    CORIN Steven Joyce if we could start with how things are going to look now with your support partners. Can you just run us through, National can technically govern alone on what you’ve got at the moment, do you think...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Kelvin Davis
    SUSAN Well earlier this morning, just before we came to air in fact, Corin spoke to Kelvin Davis, one of the big winners of the night, the new MP for Te Tai Tokerau....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – David Cunliffe
    CORIN Joining me now is Labour Leader, David Cunliffe. Good morning to you Mr Cunliffe. This is a tough result for Labour, how much personal responsibility do you take for this....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Grey Power congratulates Key
    Grey Power National President Terry King congratulated John Key for his party’s “resounding win “ in yesterday’s election and hoped that the new National Government would look hard at issues affecting the ever–growing number of older New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • EMA congratulates PM John Key and National
    The Employers and Manufacturers Association extend hearty congratulations to the re-election of Prime Minister John Key and National....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Helen Clark Receives Inaugural Women’s Health Rights Award
    Helen Clark was honoured as the first recipient of the Women’s Health Rights Award at the 121st Woman’s Suffrage event held in Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National deal with New Zealand First unlikely
    The National party is unlikely to offer a confidence and supply agreement to New Zealand First according to Dr Ryan Malone, Director Training and Research at Civicsquare....
    Scoop politics | 20-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
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    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
    Insights Issue 35/2014 - 19 September 2014 In This Issue • RMA reform the golden unicorn of policy | Jenesa Jeram...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
    We are students, university staff, and members of the community. Whichever parties form a government after September 20th, we are demanding an end to corporatisation of education....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
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