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Open mike 30/04/2014

Written By: - Date published: 6:45 am, April 30th, 2014 - 235 comments
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235 comments on “Open mike 30/04/2014”

  1. Matthew Hooton 1

    Does anyone know if Labour’s compulsory KiwiSaver policy includes getting rid of the government subsidies – the $1000 kickstart etc? If so, I’d endorse it wholeheartedly. With those subsidies (which the government has borrowed overseas!) it is doubtful that KiwiSaver has in fact increased NZ’s net savings even though it is overwhelmingly in any individual’s interest to sign up.

    For example, I signed up both kids to KiwiSaver, they got the $1000 each and it has sat there in their accounts (there has been some gain). This means the government borrowed that $2000 offshore (the government was in deficit at the time but even it if had been in surplus its debt repayment programme would have been $2000 poorer) and then much of the $2000 has been invested offshore. From our family’s point of view, we have “saved” $2000 more, but the government has borrowed $2000 more so their is no net gain to the overall savings rate.

    The same is true of payments of member tax credits.

    If KiwiSaver were compulsory, all this stuff could be abolished as it would be unnecessary to attract participation, which would improve the government’s fiscal position, and KiwiSaver would also then be more likely to improve the overall net savings rate in the economy.

    Can anyone help me on this? I haven’t seen the issue addressed in the MSM.

    • mickysavage 1.1

      I thought you would approve of this Matthew, people being given their money back by the Government. Is the reason that you disapprove because everyone, not only the rich, get the benefit?

      • Matthew Hooton 1.1.1

        Can you find out the answer?

      • blue leopard 1.1.2

        Good to see Hooton on here, I was expecting him here yesterday on David Parker’s announcement thread and I wonder what took him so long.

        He always appears when there is an issue that threatens the sell-outs and therefore redoubled attempts at mangling peoples’ minds (aka spin) are conducted.

        This is a solid sign that the Labour policy threatens sell-out types.

        Well done Labour, you must be onto something.

        • Colonial Viper 1.1.2.1

          Hooten was developing stupid lines to use today because National polling indicates that people in general like the idea of Kiwisaver, and they love the idea of a $1000 kickstart.

          Hooten, deficit spending by the government is absolutely necessary when unemployment is high and private sector spending is slow. You need to update your economics.

          • Matthew Hooton 1.1.2.1.1

            That’s nonsense, of course.
            But, you may or may not be aware, Labour’s policy is to get rid of the one-off $1000 kickstart and replace it with $200 a year for five years.

            • Colonial Viper 1.1.2.1.1.1

              Which part is nonsense? Can you be specific?

              If the private sector is failing in its duties to employ people and spend into the economy, it is the Government’s duty to fill the gap.

              That’s not rocket science mate, time to update your economics.

              And no one thinks that getting a drip feed of $200 is better than getting the full $1000 up front.

              • Matthew Hooton

                “Hooten was developing stupid lines to use today because National polling indicates that ….”

                But I think you really do believe I get paid by the govt or national party or someone to comment here.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  Not to comment here specifically.

                  You sell strategic packages designed to among other things, assist your clients with reputation management. A big part of that, obviously, is framing any debate. Your value relies on your media skills and outlets, especially as they help promote you as an independent commenter.

                  Social media is a part of that.

                  As for National, I see you as more of the donor/owner type than the hired help.

                  • McFlock

                    lol

                    that sounds much better than “developing stupid lines”, although they mean the same thing where nactoids are concerned.

    • I can’t see anything about Kickstart in their Comprehensive policy document.

      “The same is true of payments of member tax credits.”

      These were a maximum of $1,042.86 until 2011 and since then have been up to $521.43 per annum.
      http://www.kiwisaver.govt.nz/new/benefits/mtc/

      If it’s comprehensive and Kickstart or the tax credit are not mentioned it could be assumed they don’t propose changing it but I wouldn’t bet on that, this is a policy ‘proposal’ and doesn’t seem to be set in concrete.

      5.4 Further tools are desirable to assist the Reserve Bank. Therefore, Labour will ask the Reserve Bank and Treasury to assess in detail the new tool discussed in this section, and to report to the Government on how it could best be implemented.

      https://www.labour.org.nz/sites/default/files/issues/eu-mp-policy.pdf

      That makes it more of a discussion document subject to revision and firming up, which is a good approach, but leaves a number of unanswered questions at the moment..

    • bad12 1.3

      Hooton the hypocrite, sucks at the teat of Government largesse knowing full well He is adding to the gross government debt and once He has got His fill wants the ladder kicked away so others don’t get the same favors as what He got…

      • Matthew Hooton 1.3.1

        Yes, yes, but what is the answer?

        PS. Whenever the government offers me $1000 for filling in a form, I’ll do it.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 1.3.1.1

          You’re the one getting paid to tell lies: find your answers yourself.

        • bad12 1.3.1.2

          Hooton ditto with OAB’s reply to you, your answer suggests to me that it is you and your ilk that are in fact everything that is wrong with this country,

          Do your own Fff-ing research, we aint here to serve the likes of you…

          • One Anonymous Bloke 1.3.1.2.1

            Where is Hooton going with this? From a pragmatic perspective, if Labour announce the incentives will disappear once the scheme becomes compulsory, that announcement would bring a flood of people signing up to get the k. Easy to spin that as bad. An announcement now will be spun for five months, swelling Hooton’s Whale’s and Penguin’s paypackets in the process.

            Easiest solution is to refer paid liars to the section Petty quoted:

            Labour will ask the Reserve Bank and Treasury to assess in detail the new tool discussed in this section, and to report to the Government on how it could best be implemented.

            And then, once the little wingnuts have worked themselves into an imaginary frenzy, announce that all new accounts will get a 1k “kickstart” :twisted:

          • Draco T Bastard 1.3.1.2.2

            Hooton ditto with OAB’s reply to you, your answer suggests to me that it is you and your ilk that are in fact everything that is wrong with this country

            Actually, that’s now been proven. It’s the elite that cause civilisation to crash through their greed.

            Not that civilisation has been all that nice throughout history.

          • srylands 1.3.1.2.3

            Really? He has a reasonable question. Why aren’t you here to serve the likes of him? After all you have all day with nothing else to do except be rude to people.

            I suggest you encourage your mates to answer his question.

            • Matthew Hooton 1.3.1.2.3.1

              David Parker answered the question perfectly reasonably (see below).

            • Draco T Bastard 1.3.1.2.3.2

              Why should we answer his question when he’s paid to get answers but we’re not paid to answer?

              • Matthew Hooton

                Who on earth do you think would pay me to ask questions of you?

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  They pay you to foster confusion and dissent, to obscure facts with lies; your behaviour here this morning is entirely consistent with those goals.

                  That you’re better at it than Slater doesn’t lift you out of his gutter.

                  • Matthew Hooton

                    Who pays me?

                    • blue leopard

                      Hooton, you appear to be having a real meltdown, coming on this site and asking who pays you – why don’t you know that already?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      …shift opinions and policies to support the business plans of our clients.

                      You tell me.

                    • McFlock

                      fuck sake

                      You know a tory is on the back foot when they have to pretend to be so mentally incompetent as to require 24hr care.

                      Like the time the Prime Minister had to request permission from the House to “correct” one of the few unequivocal answers he’s made and replace it with a “I can’t remember who made the phone call, even though I’m the minister responsible, I made the appointment by ignoring the recommended candidates, and gave the job to a mate of mine”.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Why should I care? You’re the one asking the questions, it’s up to you to pay for the answers. Who you then get to pay you for those answers is also up to you.

                  Free market and all that type of BS.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 1.3.1.2.3.3

              :lol: S Rylands rushes to Hooton’s assistance. Hooton, whose still attempts to maintain a semblance of independence and credibility, blanches at the fact that his only champion is of such low quality.

            • bad12 1.3.1.2.3.4

              Umm at the risk of getting a severe spanking from the moderator SSLands the only logical answer i can formulate is one that would encourage you to fuck off back to the sewer where you obviously belong…

              [lprent: We like to encourage self-awareness of risk. ]

        • Molly 1.3.1.3

          … and that perhaps is yet another indication of what you consider integrity and moral decision making. I disagree with it – yet it benefits me so I’ll do it…

          There is another alternative.

        • blue leopard 1.3.1.4

          42, the answer if 42 according to some, Matthew.

    • anker 1.4

      Are you going to endorse the policy when you next speak on RNZ?? Orr make the point that its good policy with your caveat about the $1000.00.

    • ScottGN 1.5

      It’s a shame you didn’t make as much fuss about the government having to borrow overseas to pay the $30 million to Rio Tinto or the nearly $1.8 billion that had to be paid to SCF investors after English stupidly allowed them to enter the deposit guarantee scheme in spite of official advice at the time saying SCF was a risk.

    • ianmac 1.6

      I don’t know Matthew. But it is an important question which deserves an answer. I find it sad that the immediate response here is to attack the person instead of considering the importance of the answer. Matthew does have an agenda of course but it is useful to know what he/they think. After all countries spend a fortune on spying on the enemy to know what they are thinking/doing. Matthew has never been rude or nasty. (I am very anti National!)

      • bad12 1.6.1

        Off you go then ianmac, do wee Matty’s research for Him…

      • One Anonymous Bloke 1.6.2

        Hence my comment at 1.3.1.2.1

        Hooton’s demand for answers is indeed rude, considering his avowed hostility and history of deceit.

        • Matthew Hooton 1.6.2.1

          Spoke to David Parker.

          He confirms the 2011 KiwiSaver policy is unchanged. That is:

          Labour‟s plan will make KiwiSaver compulsory for every employee aged 18 to 65 from 2014.
          Labour will gradually increase employer contributions at a rate of 0.5 per cent a year, from 3 per cent to 7 per cent, over 9 years.
          Labour will retain the current minimum employee contribution of 2 per cent. The $1,000 kick-start will be spread over 5 years. Labour will not make any more changes to the member tax credit.

          See https://www.labour.org.nz/sites/default/files/2011%20Labour%20Party%20Manifesto.pdf

          He accepts that the kick-start and MTC don’t increase national savings but they do contribute to public support for the scheme, which he believes is important to build a savings culture and reduce reliance on foreign savings.

          • left for dead 1.6.2.1.1

            Matthew,how does that play out for beneficiarys,I’m a bit lost on that point.ta

            • Matthew Hooton 1.6.2.1.1.1

              Don’t know. I expect it means they get the kickstart. Ask David Parker -[deleted]

              [lprent: Leaving phone numbers and email addresses just makes this site a target for crawlbots. Don't leave them. ]

            • weka 1.6.2.1.1.2

              Am guessing that beneficiaries are excluded

              5.12 The New Zealand Labour Party is proposing that the existing KiwiSaver scheme become a universal work place savings scheme. This would be achieved by making KiwiSaver compulsory, with exceptions limited to those which apply to the Australian scheme.

              https://www.labour.org.nz/sites/default/files/issues/eu-mp-policy.pdf

              There are some additional issues here. Any beneficiary under hardship (which is many medium and long term beneficiaries) who receives the hardship grant TAS is expected to suspend payments to Kiwisaver (a condition of TAS is that you reduce outgoings).

              TAS is also available to non-beneficiaries, so it will be interesting to see how many TAS recipients are not on a main benefit, and how the Kiwisaver policy will affect them.

              There is a need for careful thought here, esp for people cycling on and off benefits due to the economy being run on casual labour and with a permanent unemployment rate.

          • Pete George 1.6.2.1.2

            “Labour will retain the current minimum employee contribution of 2 per cent. ”

            The current minimum is now 3%.

            Employees
            You can choose to contribute 3%, 4% or 8% of your before-tax pay.

            The default rate is 3% and this is the minimum that you can contribute.

            http://www.kiwisaver.govt.nz/already/change-contrib/amount/

            Increasing the rate via the employer contribution makes little difference apart from disguising it, it is still taxed and it is part of an employee’s pay package.

    • Clemgeopin 1.7

      If your beloved National or ACT , Key and English are honest and true to their right wing ideology and not opportunistic hypocrites, they would have had the courage to cancel the Kiwi Saver subsidies. They haven’t. Nor did they cancel so many of the last Labour government’s great social equity policies such as Interest free student loans, Kiwi Bank, WFF, Paid parental leave, Free child care etc. So you right wingers should NOT be voting these right wing bull shitting buggers anyway!

      Regarding your trolling question, wait close to the election because all the policies haven’t yet been announced, or if you are in a hurry, send an email to http://action.labour.org.nz/

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      ..and yep..!..he got high..

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      reminiscent of my early experiences with the drug -
      probably when it was a lot less strong and/or 50% oregano-
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      (cont..)

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  4. “..How Piketty’s Bombshell Book Blows Up Libertarian Fantasies..

    Sorry – Ayn Rand.

    Your fiction has been exposed as – well – fiction..”

    http://www.alternet.org/economy/how-pikettys-bombshell-book-blows-libertarian-fantasies

  5. geoff 5

    Regarding Labour’s monetary policy, I think this is the best way to think about it…As David Parker said: “Ask them if they would rather have more money in their savings accounts or lost forever to an overseas lender.”

    Now Labour just needs to provide a really good policy to make sure low-income and renters don’t get punished by this.

    • yes..it’s quite hilarious that the only argument the right can muster/mount..

      ..is:..’but what about the poor..?’..

      .should we be cynical about the newfound care/concern from the right for those this govt has spent six years resolutely screwing over/demonising/scapegoating..?

      (i mean..bill ‘i pray for the poor on sundays at church..they need nothing else’ english even managed to squeeze out a crocodile tear or two..)

      • Rosie 5.1.1

        You have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the right when they say “but, but. but, what about the poor”. They are so see through!

        In the meantime Kim Campbell from the EMA seemed to be conditionally supportive of the policy last night on 3 news as did someone (missed their name) from Federated Farmers on RNZ this a.m. When National funders and friends warm to the oppositions policy, you know Key and Co will be worried.

        • fender 5.1.1.1

          Yes but when TV3 put Mike Pero the real estate guy on the screen to say it was a bad idea I changed over to One News. It’s weird because I expected Gower to be the one to give me the final push from 3News, I won’t be going back EVER.

          • Rosie 5.1.1.1.1

            Yeah, Mike Pero made me groan. I did a 3news ban for a few weeks when Gower just got way out of line with his Cunliffe bashing. I think that was at the time when a few readers here made formal complaints about Gower to 3news and to the Broadcasting Standards Authority…..

          • Ron 5.1.1.1.2

            I changed over to One News

            You must like the National Party. Had a look at TVNZ board of directors lately?

            • fender 5.1.1.1.2.1

              Actually Ron I hate the National Party, but at least One News were more balanced in their reporting of the policy release, and they didn’t go to a real estate salesman/mortgage broker for his biased opinion as if he were some expert on monetary policy.

      • Draco T Bastard 5.1.2

        Oh, you can be sure that National have no concerns about the poor. The reason why they like higher interest rates is because all the interest goes to the rich. National are concerned that if Labour succeed in lowering interest rates then the wealth accumulation of the rich will slow down.

    • felix 5.2

      But interest rates are factored into rents. When interest rates rise, rents rise.

      The policy proposes to swap one control of interest rates for another.

      I don’t see how renters are any worse off than owners in this regard.

      • bad12 5.2.1

        All part of the ”free market con” felix, you will notice that when interest rates drop as they have over the past five or six years rents Never go down,

        Those owning rentals will be along shortly to tell us all that because of low interest rates they didn’t put up their rental prices as much as they would have,(something that cannot really be proven either way),

        My view is this, Rents need be controlled, we used to have a State Housing stock of such robustness, Mum and Dad both working low waged jobs with four kids could expect to be housed, that rents were largely kept in check in the private sector,

        Government have now more or less abdicated such a responsibility, my view considering the lack of will to provide the necessary State owned housing stock is that at a point of income, with the number of children involved also taken into account, the Government should ensure that the low waged working demographic with families should pay no more than 25% of their income as rent even when renting in the private sector,

        Where that point of income actually is, the indication of ‘poverty’ would be a good starting point i cannot say as an amount of dollars earned but while this low waged working demographic is forced to rent in the private sector paying at times 50%+ of their income as rent they will never be able to escape such poverty…

        • cricklewood 5.2.1.1

          Past government’s have certainly abdicated responsibility for housing and any semblace of market balance by farming out social housing to private landlords.
          Rents are increased and often paid by accommodation supplements which effectively mean that the govt is paying the mortgage effectively gifting property to private landlords.
          To give you an idea a former colleague had been buying ex state houses and effectively renting them through Winz long story short he always received rent and could increase it year on year by a couple of % without complaint.
          Once he had equity he leveraged the next he had around 10 last I heard…
          The huge mistake has been removing the govt owned stock and then instead of building it back up coming up with easy options like rent subsidies which just transfer wealth.
          Taxpayers gettin ripped off royally basically…

          • bad12 5.2.1.1.1

            Cricklewood, i agree with what you are saying, however, i have been thinking over recent weeks,(i know what a shock, and the smell of burning neurons is atrocious), i have no belief that either National or Labour have the will to build the necessary number of State Houses to enable the low waged families,(as they used to do), access to housing that would as a cost be 25% of their income,

            National at the moment are busily ripping apart the HousingNZ estate claiming that they want this to shrink by 20%,(and insinuating that private charities can take up this 20% of housing need),

            The abdication of responsibility means that there is little chance of a sufficient rebuild occurring thus my thinking has extended to the point where i cannot focus upon ‘how enriching’ particular housing subsidies are to private sector landlords,

            i believe we are at the point where not only charitable organizations are offered the full Government subsidy for housing those in need,(the social housing of today being further defined as the province of beneficiaries only), but this full subsidy may need be extended to City Councils and (perhaps) even private landlords who are prepared to rent to low waged working families based upon a rental of 25% of their income,

            As previously, the question is at which point of income should a low waged working family be offered housing public or private based upon that 25% of income, where is the poverty line and does such a calculation need be based around the number of children in the family group,

            $40,000 a year and lower, $30,000 a year and lower,???…

        • srylands 5.2.1.2

          The answer to poverty is to raise incomes. Rent controls always have perverse effects.

          You seem to want the Government to regulate just about everything, rather than embracing markets. (Just for a start – people on low incomes should not have four kids – or any kids.)

          • left for dead 5.2.1.2.1

            poorlands,…I’ll pass you the knife,.an could you drop it,into donkeys hand as you bleed out.Lovers last stand.

            [lprent: There is no point in that comment. I'd suggest that you read the policy about pointless abuse and moderator attitudes to people who try to start flamewars with it.

            You are also implicitly suggesting (self-)violence which is also something we don't want here.

            If I see anything like this again from you again, then you'll be suffering a long holiday away from commenting here. This is your warning. ]

            • left for dead 5.2.1.2.1.1

              IPRENT..please except my apology.

              [lprent: Just a behavioural change is sufficient. ]

          • vto 5.2.1.2.2

            “Just for a start – people on low incomes should not have four kids – or any kids”

            And you complain about people being rude to you?

            You are a piece of shit for the views you hold about people and what they should be entitled or otherwise to do with their lives. Your view on communities and how human beings live together are complete and utter rudeness of the highest order. I have no interest in having people like you in a society I live in and endorse every spec of rudeness thrown your way.

            Fuck off srylands, you are rude to the point of blindness (and danger).

            • fender 5.2.1.2.2.1

              +1 vto

            • Murray Olsen 5.2.1.2.2.2

              +2
              Heartless Randian dogs should be neutered at birth, then castrated. These guys will do anything and everything in their power to stop us rebuilding the society they took from us. They don’t care if they take the planet down with them, and need to be neutralised.

              [lprent: You are getting close to the edge of tolerance. ]

          • cricklewood 5.2.1.2.3

            Do think accommodation supplements are appropriate? Would you agree with the premise that such supplements to a degree cushion the direct consequence of a rent increase thus allowing more regular rent increases thus driving higher prices due to better roi.

            Above all are you happy that tax dollars fund it?

            I will agree that rent controls arent overly desirable but neither are rent subsidies which are distorting the precious ‘market’

          • bad12 5.2.1.2.4

            For you SSLands, please provide links to your ”assertion that i seem to want the Government to regulate everything”, more of your lies,
            :roll: :roll:

          • Disraeli Gladstone 5.2.1.2.5

            What about people who had a nice household income, lost their partner, had to take a paycut to keep their job?

            Do their children magically disappear?

          • Jackal 5.2.1.2.6

            You’re a complete idiot srylands. Firstly, New Zealanders aren’t having enough children. Secondly, because Kiwi’s aren’t procreating enough we’ve had to encourage immigration. The reason this is done is because without a stable or expanding population our economy would stagnate. So you can either encourage New Zealanders to have children irrespective of their incomes or you can increase immigration, what would you prefer?

            • Draco T Bastard 5.2.1.2.6.1

              And the increasing immigration is encouraging some people to leave as there already aren’t enough jobs. The ones who leave are, of course, our ‘best and brightest’.

            • fender 5.2.1.2.6.2

              Srylands has an ambition to own a few immigrant families to keep as slaves, please don’t interfere with his plans..

          • Skinny 5.2.1.2.7

            I must remember to pop over to quote you Shrillands to the well heeled catholic family with 7 kids who live across the street from my family in Epsom. I’m sure they would be highly offended a senior member of the ACT party is insulting their faith, I hear they are from humble beginnings, they would be mortified at such views of selective breeding. Of course I know they were horrified at your leaders insestuious beliefs.

            Not doing your ACT Party many favours trotting out lines like that sorry to say my friend.
            I shall add this to my snake oil speel when I go door knocking for the National candidates vote in Epsom. Btw managered to get that National party rosette. Got it off a former young Nat who I got a job for. Let’s just say he saw the folly of his ways :)

            • bad12 5.2.1.2.7.1

              Skinny Lolz, that is style, pity i didn’t live up your way or i would come door knocking for the enemies vote in Epsom with you Lolz….

          • Weepu's Beard 5.2.1.2.8

            That’s pretty sick from Srylands. What an appalling society he advocates. One where only the wealthy are allowed children.

            Heard he doesn’t even live in NZ, which begs the question: what has Srylands done for this country?

        • Clemgeopin 5.2.1.3

          What if the law states that no rent for houses can be more than 25% the median national income?

          The median is now about $68,600 which works out to $1,329 per week. 25% of that=$329.

          I wonder what will be the good and bad consequences of such a law on the housing crises and the economy in the short term and in the long term.

      • Disraeli Gladstone 5.2.2

        Not really, though.

        Firstly, rents won’t decrease (they hardly ever do). So with compulsory Kiwisaver, people who were poor off and decided to forego Kiwisaver till they’re in a better situation, now have to contribute to Kiwisaver with the same rent because it won’t go down.

        It is a bit of a slap in the face for lower income renters.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 5.2.2.1

          Unless other factors increase their wage packet, that is. Funnily enough, I seem to recall that being a part of Labour’s economic strategy.

          Gosh, it’s all just one coincidence after another around here.

    • Rosie 5.3

      +1 Geoff. Everyone needs to benefit from this policy. No one should go without at the expense of others.

    • bad12 5.4

      David Parker this morning saying ”oh yes the low waged workers will be looked after”, unfortunately until Parker spills the beans on exactly how those earning low wages will be looked after this looks to me like a policy directed at protecting anyone who operates their lives or part of their lives on debt,

      Parker then went on to ‘spin’ the line that this policy will provide lots of high paying jobs, again to me this is ”spin” with zero detail,

      It is counter-intuitive to suggest that forcing the low waged to save will create jobs let alone high paid jobs, the current means of controlling inflation destroys jobs by pulling money out of the economy,(giving it straight to the trading banks), there is little difference in pulling money out of the economy and giving it to the trading banks who are the majority of kiwi-saver account holders,

      There is NO imperative for the trading banks to invest the compulsory savings in the New Zealand economy so they will simply invest such retirement savings where they can squeeze the biggest profits from it,

      So squeezing inflation out of the economy using either tool is likely to lead to increased unemployment not more high paying jobs,(except for those employed to process the increased amount of people forced to pay 3+ of their wages into retirement savings)…

      • geoff 5.4.1

        looks to me like a policy directed at protecting anyone who operates their lives or part of their lives on debt,

        Unfortunately that is a great many people indeed.

      • phillip ure 5.4.2

        and parker needs to be congratulated for smart thinking for leaving any announcements about ‘the poor’ .. until later..

        ..far better tactically to get those on side who ..at first blush..parker seems to have succeeded in getting onside..for this macro economic policy-package..

        ..and then later..after everyone has settled down/into labours’ plan..

        …and under the banner labour-is-for-everyone..(?)

        ..labour can slide in their poverty-breaking policies..

        ..(of course..i am assuming here that they have these/such policies..eh..?..)

        • Bearded Git 5.4.2.1

          Exactly Phillip. The help for the poor will come in policies announced much closer to the election so the Nats don’t steal them.

          Meanwhile keep the message simple re interest rates and Kiwisaver.

          Parker has done a great ,job here. In Parker and Cunliffe Labour has 2 very smart cookies leading the charge-IMO they are more innovative and eloquent than English/Key.

      • Clemgeopin 5.4.3

        One way I can think of to ‘look after’ the low waged would be to say the minimum contribution of 2% will not ‘compulsorily’ go up for then until their annual individual income rises to a certain threshold (say the median national income of $68,600 or 60% of it or 75% or some such %).
        There may be other mitigating solutions that other posters here may think of or Mr Parker may be considering.

    • blue leopard 5.5

      +2 Geoff (5), well said.

    • Now Labour just needs to provide a really good policy to make sure low-income and renters don’t get punished by this.

      That’s Labour’s biggest challenge.

      At 9% (Labour’s suggested Kiwisaver rate):
      $30,000 is $2,700
      $40,000 is $3,600
      $50,000 is $4,500

      How can they “not punish” people earning those amounts? If they have children their effective PAYE less WFF credit means they are pay little or no income tax.

      And how can they ‘not punish’ them without being unfair to those who already contribute to Kiwisaver?

      David Parker has talked about increasing the minimum wage and using a living wage but these are substantial amounts, and it will be very difficult to be fair to all.

      What about a solo parent who works 30 hours a week on $25 per hour ($39,000 pa)?

      • Jackal 5.6.1

        Ah Pete, you do realise that the money is actually savings and not a tax? Therefore your use of the word “punish” all over the place is incorrect.

        If incomes have to be adjusted higher to offset the increase, what’s the problem? Increasing kiwisaver funds will benefit people in the long run, especially first time home buyers.

        There will also be lower interest rates on credit cards and loans. Rents will probably not go up as fast and higher purchase agreements will likely be more easily accessible to people on low incomes.

        So a solo parent who works 30 hours a week will be better off under Labours proposal.

  6. the two reasons john key should decriminalise pot..

    ..it will solve the legal-high brouhaha..overnite..

    ..and he could possibly deal kim dotcom/the internet party a body blow..

    http://whoar.co.nz/2014/vote-blue-smoke-green-should-the-tories-go-for-the-stoner-vote-comment-the-two-compelling-reasons-john-key-should-deriminalise-cannabis/

  7. geoff 7

    John Key has made a bad decision by going against Labour’s monetary policy.

    Natural National party bedfellows like business NZ, Federated farmers and the manufacturers union all like the Labour party policy so John Key is alienating himself.

    Also the bank economists on RNZ are a bunch of lying, theiving crooks who are spinning faster than Matthew Hooton to paint this as bad policy because they are going to lose so much ill-gotten profit if this policy goes ahead.

    • freedom 7.1

      Think back a few years, quite a few years, bankers were the most vocal supporters of introducing User Pays education into the Tertiary sector. Billions of dollars of debt later …… smiling bankers.

      Now with Labour’s new policy, bankers are out there screaming the sky will fall.

      Call me cycnical, but the policy must have something good for the people if the bankers hate it so much.

  8. Draco T Bastard 8

    It is the secret scandal of capitalism that at no point has it been organised primarily around free labour. The conquest of the Americas began with mass enslavement, then gradually settled into various forms of debt peonage, African slavery, and “indentured service” – that is, the use of contract labour, workers who had received cash in advance and were thus bound for five, seven or ten year terms to pay it back. Needless to say, indentured servants were recruited largely from among people who were already debtors.

    Debt: The first 5000 years by David Graeber

    So much for capitalism being about freedom. Or, perhaps, what the capitalists really mean is the freedom of the few to exploit everyone else.

  9. bad12 9

    Two comments in moderation already this morning, someone might like to tell me which sensitivity i have offended???…

    [lprent: I released several comments with a mis-spelling of Hooton's name. Could have been one of those. I have a standing policy that when I see the over-use of mis-spellings of names that I add them to auto-moderation and see how long it is before people learn to correct them.

    But there has also been an irritating bug in the auto-scaler at AWS for the last couple of days that I'm trying to get them to fix. When the CPU gets high, the system starts dropping comments into moderation. ]

    • bad12 9.1

      Tah for that, i think it might have been the length of the comments, i got caught out on the Hooton one last week,(and yup going into moderation modified the neurons enough to always check when using that ones name so it wasn’t that this morning)

      My shorter comments have all posted straight away this morning even between the two that got shunted into moderation…

    • Matthew Hooton 9.2

      Just by the way, I don’t really care all that much if people misspell my name. Not sure why it leads to moderation.

  10. Disraeli Gladstone 10

    I wanted to bring up a potential situation which is probably reasonably common across the country:

    A single parent with multiple kids, potentially three or four. Maybe the parent is a widow, maybe they receive some support from the other parent, maybe the other parent fled the country. They earn around $50,000. That’s not bad. It’s under the median income but they’re definitely not counted as a person on low income. They even get a bit of Working for Families.

    However, they’re a renter. They also have a car they’re still paying off: nothing flash, something to get by which wouldn’t also have to go into repairs often. They have various school fees and uniforms and books and trips to pay for. Electricity bills are always a bit of a concern.

    Now, the parent is doing okay. They want the best for their kids. So they budget accordingly. Healthy food over cheap rubbish, so they don’t have any silly gym membership or anything like that. They want their kids to have books and internet so maybe they don’t get Sky TV. It’s a nice life without being affluent. It’s also rather tediously poised. They’ll be some weeks when the parent is scrambling for every cent: unexpected school fee, kid’s shoes have broken, etc. It’s comfortable without ever being safe.

    One of the things they have to consider is Kiwisaver. They decide against it. They can’t afford it yet. Once the kids are older, they’ll open one up.

    When I say potential situation, I am largely writing about a good friend of mine.

    Suddenly, under Labour’s new policy, everything changes. They have to contribute to Kiwisaver. That’s a certain percentage of their income gone. They can’t withstand the unexpected expenses now, school fees and new uniforms are dreaded. And this is someone on a reasonable salary. They’re nearly going under. Furthermore, the rate is variable, how is that person meant to budget? A responsible way of life of budgeting essentials and nice-to-haves is suddenly thrown away with the risk that soon their Kiwisaver contributions might rise. Maybe the kids don’t get their books, maybe they have to downsize the car and cringe with every WOF, maybe they have to downsize a house and have multiple children in each room in a more dangerous part of town.

    That’s why I really don’t like this policy. It hurts people. It’s going to really hurt the low income families, but they’re going to be offered protection. I’m worried lower-middle income families are going to be left stranded on the rocks. Even if they can survive without going under, they’re being forced to cut their quality of life to subside people with mortgages. They’ll never buy their own place now.

    It’s asking people to ruin their life to save for retirement.

    I think Danyl Mclauchlan had it nicely explained when he said:

    “Universal KiwiSaver and a tool to adjust KiwiSaver rates to keep mortgage rates low? I think you can do one of these but not both. If you’re going to compel people to save their money because its good for the economy then that’s one thing. But if you’re going to compel people to save money and then modify the rates to benefit a smaller subset of people who have mortgages you’re in the tricky position of higher rates having a disproportionate impact on lower income earners – who are unlikely to own a home – and benefiting higher income people with mortgages. That’s hard to justify.”

    • “That’s a certain percentage of their income gone.”

      9% of $50,000 is $4500 per year or $86.54 per week
      - Labour’s proposed rate, up from the current 6% (3+3)

      A double whammy where both parents/partners are working.

      • Ant 10.1.1

        The 9% is half employer so 4.5% in reality.

        • Pete George 10.1.1.1

          In reality 9% – whether the employer pays you and you contribute a part of that (actually your employee extracts that before you see it) or your employer contributes a part makes little difference for most people, it’s all a part of the same pay package.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1.1.2

          You’re right Ant. Never mind Petty’s low-life dishonesty.

          The employer contribution doesn’t come out of wages.

          • Pete George 10.1.1.2.1

            Thanks for the link.

            Your employer compulsory contributions must be on top of your employee’s regular pay. This means that if you have agreed to a total remuneration package with your employee, the compulsory employer contributions must be paid on top of that package. Your employee’s take-home pay should not be reduced because you are making a compulsory contribution.

            Through good faith bargaining, a salary package under an employment agreement can be negotiated whereby compulsory employer contributions can be offset against the employee’s gross pay.

            When private companies employ staff they have to consider the whole package, not just the regular pay rate. Some employees might be lucky that employeers reduced their profits to increase pay packages but the second paragraph is the reality for many employees, especially over time.

            Nevertheless, we expect employers will factor in the cost increases when negotiating wage and salary increases in the intervening period – particularly in the State Sector in the year ahead.

            https://www.buddlefindlay.com/article/2011/05/24/changes-to-kiwisaver-key-issues-for-employers

            A “total remuneration” arrangement allows an employer to set a fixed remuneration amount for each employee. If the employee joins KiwiSaver, the cost of the employer contribution comes out of the employee’s pay.

            http://www.raineycollins.co.nz/your-resources/articles/further-important-changes-on-total-remuneration-approaches-to-kiwisaver/

            It’s impossible to know what sort of remuneration arrangements there are overall, but any employer has to factor in the cost to them of Kiwisaver.

    • bad12 10.2

      Indeed, what you have written there is exactly why i am seeing RED over such a plan, it isn’t only a small subset of 400,000 mortgage holders that the low waged are in effect being told they have to pay for with 3%+ of their weekly income,

      The OCR effects all debt from the factory to the farm, so the low waged are being told they have to underwrite the cost of interest paid across the economy with the ‘benefit’ of having some retirement saving IF they ever reach that age of retirement,

      i will also suggest here that 67 as the age of retirement is not written in stone and that ‘another imperative’ will be found in the future to move that age of eligibility out to 70 as other jurisdictions are now doing…

      • phillip ure 10.2.1

        when one is singing the chorus of one pete george..

        ..this must surely give one pause for reconsideration..?

        ..and i wonder just how many more times does it need to be repeated..

        ..that parker said he wd release policy around poverty/low-income later…?

        • Disraeli Gladstone 10.2.1.1

          “..that parker said he wd release policy around poverty/low-income later…”

          That’s nice of him. Leave the most vulnerable members of society to worry about what a change of government might mean for them.

          At least the middle-classes are well off.

        • bad12 10.2.1.2

          Hardly singing Georges chorus, i said much the same thing echoing Karol’s comment in Open Mike yesterday befor George got in on the act,

          So if Parker has given such scant regard to the low waged workers that He has not thought through the effects upon those low waged workers in such a robust nature as to be able to announce what relieving measures He proposes then He has left himself open to criticism hasn’t He Phillip,

          You and Federated Farmers Phillip, cheerleaders of ‘the plan’, that says to me that the working poor should be vary wary of having in the end 9% of their income ripped outta their pockets on behalf of ‘protecting’ the amount of interest the already rich and well off pay…

          • One Anonymous Bloke 10.2.1.2.1

            Get ready to eat crow when the actual policy is released, in the meantime I’m sure Oravida are grateful.

      • fisiani 10.2.2

        Labours plan means no wage rises for the next year or two for the low paid as any planned wage rise gets stolen (I usethat word deliberately as it is taken without consent) to keep interest rates low to help those with massive mortgages. How does penalising the poor to help the rich fit with what Labour is supposed to care about? This yet another massive own goal.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 10.2.2.1

          Well, unless you take the view that you’re a biased partisan idiot who has zero credibility when it comes to critiquing Left wing policy.

          Yeah, I think that seems far more likely.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 10.3

      Did you check the part in Parker’s interview on The Nation where he mentioned that considerations would have to be made about the effect of the policy on low-income families?

      Low income families who can expect more in their wage packets under a Labour led govt.?

      PS: that the Fact Mangler General has some ready made biased assumptions to tell you should be a big clue that the answer to your question might not be so banal and simplistic.

      • Disraeli Gladstone 10.3.1

        My concern is multi-fold:

        A: What is classified as a “low-income” family? Are a section of society who are getting by but not considered “poor” suddenly going to have to live a Franciscan life? Considerations better be extended to most families anywhere under the median income.

        B: Even if considerations are made, the lack of certainty on the contribution rate is suddenly going to make budgeting a lot harder.

        C: Then Labour should increase the wages of low income families BEFORE implementing this policy. Because wages won’t spike suddenly.

        D: I also have concerns over students with student loans who may wish to postpone their involvement in Kiwisaver until after they’ve paid off their debt. Consideration should be extended to them, but it won’t be. Or make education free again, but that won’t happen either.

        It’s a bad policy. I’d much prefer to drop the compulsory element for now and keep the variable contribution rate. The basic economics of upping savings instead of increase interest rates is a good one. Just keep the scheme as an opt-out scheme so that you’re not killing people.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 10.3.1.1

          How can more money staying onshore be a bad thing? I think you’re treating one aspect of it in isolation. There are going to be other factors in play. Labour will not suddenly forget their historic ability to increase wages and employment levels at a much faster rate than the Oravida Party.

          • Disraeli Gladstone 10.3.1.1.1

            Like I said, that principle isn’t a bad one. And you can do that by saying to people with mortgages (or people who voluntary join Kiwisaver), instead of increasing interest rates, we’ll increase Kiwisaver contributions.

            I don’t think Kiwisaver needs to be compulsory for that to work.

          • bad12 10.3.1.1.2

            OAB, what makes you think that ”’more money will stay onshore”, you only have to ask yourself where the majority of current retirement savings are ”invested” to know that the money from kiwi-saver accounts aint going to stay in New Zealand,

            You also have to ask yourself who holds the majority of those kiwi-saver in New Zealand a dont lo and behold its the trading banks who will make even more profits from having compulsion added to the scheme,

            Meanwhile low waged workers get a haircut of an initial 3% of their wages plus pay more for what they buy IF the New Zealand dollar depreciates in value as David Parker says it will…

            • One Anonymous Bloke 10.3.1.1.2.1

              Say that’s true, and the policy has a downward effect on household income, it will not be the only thing affecting said income. Labour is committed to decreasing poverty and inequality. I don’t think you can point to one policy plank as representative of the overall picture.

              You are ignoring the effects of both the living wage for govt. employees and an immediate minimum wage rise.

              You’re ignoring the effect of more investment in manufacturing and R&D.

              You’re ignoring the effects of the loss of Bill English’s very special talents.

            • Pete George 10.3.1.1.2.2

              “IF the New Zealand dollar depreciates in value as David Parker says it will…”

              Barry Soper points out:

              Labour’s also arguing low interest rates will lower the value of the dollar. But for the past five years, we’ve had record low interest rates but a record high dollar. It’s a little hard to follow Labour’s logic.

              http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/opinion/poly-report-for-apr-30

              • Disraeli Gladstone

                Pretty simple explanation for that. Interest rates in New Zealand are at record low’s. But still comparatively high as compared to other developed countries.

                Not really rocket science.

                • an easily checkable ‘fact’..?

                  ..and barry soper..?..are you kidding me..?

                  ..i have long ago rewritten his stentorian sign-off..

                  “..i’m barry soper..!

                  ..and i know sweet fuck all..!..”

                • Yes, interest rates have been at record lows. We must have been the same as Australia on 2.5% until we went up to 2.75 then 3.0 in the last couple of months.

                  But not as low as the US, China and other major trading countries. If we tried to match them it would be even harder to keep inflation under control, especially property.

                  Adding a Kiwisaver tool won’t have a lot of leverage compared to offshore influences. If Kiwisaver contributions are bumped up even more and don’t work, what then?

                  • Disraeli Gladstone

                    No. Stop hopping between points. I was addressing why our low interest rates hasn’t seen a low dollar. We had a high dollar with low interest rates because our rates were still comparatively high to the rest of the world.

                    That’s was what I was explaining and Barry Sopher somehow didn’t understand.

                    Don’t now go dancing off to another point or I shan’t be engaging.

              • Bearded Git

                PG-that is the silliest thing I have heard argued on The Standard.

                If you are financially illiterate don’t comment on economics. It is the comparative interest rates that matter. As Parker explained (maybe you weren’t listening?) the hot money follows the best interest rates around the globe.

                It’s for this reason that tiny insignificant NZ has (from memory) the 7th most traded currency on the planet.

      • freedom 10.3.2

        I would suggest that the proposed across-the-board increases in the rate paid, is instead changed to an index related rate taken from income levels. Like how we pay income tax now. But of course all that would happen is certain people would throw slogans around that complain how richer people already pay more than their fair share.

        Looking around the New Zealand that most of them don’t live in, all I would say is, boohoo.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 10.3.2.1

          Yeah, that’s the game: equal increases in savings rates will “hurt the poor” (like these trash give a shit about people on low incomes), progressive rates will be “unfair” on those “who already pay all the tax”.

          So, will Labour let Tory tr0lls dictate monetary policy?

    • Andrew 10.4

      Completely agree 100% Disraeli.

      Force people to save in order to keep interest rates lower for the few, which affects the many by having them pay more for imported goods and earning less on their ‘compulsory’ savings.

      What if i need to save for a new car, or car repairs, or a nice holiday for my family, or new clothes, or a few Christmas presents for my kids, but i can’t now because the government has forced me to save for my retirement that i may or may not even get the chance to enjoy. Sure people are living longer, but a lot of people will die before they reach 65.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 10.4.1

        Yes, because life expectancy continues to improve! No, wait…

        As for your Chicken Little “what if” scenario, “what if” you find you’re being paid more because you have a government that isn’t owned by the rich?

        • Disraeli Gladstone 10.4.1.1

          Wages don’t magically grow overnight.

          Even if wages improve, it will take a little time to affect everyone. Unless this policy isn’t implemented until the very end of that process, people are going to suffer.

          Left-wing parties shouldn’t make poor people suffer.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 10.4.1.1.1

            And it’s nice of you to help the Oravida Party with its spin, but you have zero grounds to do so other than ill-formed assumptions.

            I suggest a close look at the fifth Labour government’s track record on wages and employment is a better guide to the effects of their policies on low income citizens.

            • Disraeli Gladstone 10.4.1.1.1.1

              “And it’s nice of you to help the Oravida Party with its spin,”

              So, let’s be clear here. People who want a fairer society can’t critique Labour Party policy because it will help National.

              This is what happens when people treat politics like a sport. You have undivided loyalty to your “team”.

              Fuck that.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Ah, but you aren’t critiquing Labour policy. If you were, you might be asking questions like: “Parker says the sixth Labour government will ensure that its monetary policy doesn’t unfairly impact low-income citizens. Any ideas how he’s going to manage it?”

                Nothing wrong with seeing a fish-hook, but it’s drawing a long bow to immediately leap to the assumption that it was put there deliberately.

                • Disraeli Gladstone

                  “Ah, but you aren’t critiquing Labour policy. If you were, you might be asking questions like: “Parker says the sixth Labour government will ensure that its monetary policy doesn’t unfairly impact low-income citizens. Any ideas how he’s going to manage it?””

                  Umm.

                  I don’t think you know what the word “critique” means.

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    I don’t think you are engaging in constructive criticism.

                    • Disraeli Gladstone

                      That’s a matter of subjective opinion.

                      The word “critique” has a definition.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      OK OK it’s a fair cop guv.

                    • weka

                      I think the issue is that your critique makes assumptions as if they are fact ie that the policy WILL do x, y, z. As far as I can tell, we don’t know enough detail yet to know that. So if you framed your critique as raising questions rather than making definitive negative statements, it would be different.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Thanks Weka that pretty much covers it :)

            • Andrew 10.4.1.1.1.2

              “I suggest a close look at the fifth Labour government’s track record on wages and employment is a better guide to the effects of their policies on low income citizens.”

              I think you will find that it had less to do with the government of the day and more to do with the general economy and a debt fueled boom that proceeded the recession.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Yeah, that’s the Oravida spin line. Don’t you have any independent opinions of your own?

                • Andrew

                  WTF with the continual “Oravida Line” bollocks. Stop deflecting. Since when have Oravida been discussing our monetary policy which is what this discussion is about.

        • Andrew 10.4.1.2

          I said that people are living longer, but not everyone will make it to 65, or 67, or whatever figure the government deems necessary.

          Those “what if” scenarios are indeed all too common, nice straw man though. The government can’t magic you more money. Businesses need to be in a situation where they can afford to pay you more money.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 10.4.1.2.1

            Yes, and more money staying onshore will be part of that equation. Pretty obvious once you take off your milk-smeared glasses.

            • Andrew 10.4.1.2.1.1

              “more money staying onshore”

              KiwiSaver investments are a mixture of bank deposits, term deposits, property investments, and share portfolios. A fair amount of this money will be heading off overseas the same as it is now.

              If you have a Cash, or Conservative fund type, most of your money will be in the bank, earning less interest as this policy will be supposedly be keeping interest rates down, affecting savers.

              • Colonial Viper

                How can interest rates be “kept down” when major central banks like the BoE, BoJ, ECB, Fed Reserve etc are printing new money at 0% interest rates?

                You do understand that interest rates are abitrarily set by central banks using very efficient targeting mechanisms don’t you – they do not result from the supply and demand of money. That is how the Federal Reserve can loan out money at 0%.

                • Andrew

                  I’m talking about Labour’s line that these monetary policy changes will help keep our interest rates lower than they would otherwise be under the standard inflation target.

                  not my line.

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    Yes, it’s good to see them commit to that goal. What do you suppose they’ll do if the new toolkit doesn’t work?

                    • Andrew

                      I dunno, maybe apologise to the 1000′s of low income people that they forcibly took money off by making them sign up to KiwiSaver when they couldn’t afford to?

                    • weka

                      So when Parker says that low-income people will be better off with the policy, do you think he is lying?

                    • Andrew

                      yes

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Andrew doesn’t know, but his visions are all bad.

                      I think his bias is showing just a tiny bit.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      :lol: …and a conspiracy theorist to boot. Too funny :lol:

                    • Andrew

                      “conspiracy theorist to boot”

                      do tell?

                      ok, so lets think about this. goal of monetary policy changes: keep interest rates lower, keep NZ$ lower, force people to save for retirement.

                      at the most simple terms for low income earners with no mortgage …

                      interest rates lower = earn less interest on my forced savings
                      keep NZ$ lower = imported goods cost more
                      forced savings = less money in my pocket every week

                      people on low incomes don’t need money in 30 – 40 years, they need that money now. Parker’s line that they will be better off, sure, they will be better off when they get to retirement, but they will be worse off now.

                      and if Australia has shown us anything, it’s that compulsory retirement savings, does little, if anything to the overall net savings rate as people borrow more and retire with more debt.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Do tell.

                      Simple, you assume that if Parker is wrong it must be because he’s lying as opposed to mistaken or incompetent. Pretty much the defining assumption of the conspiracy theorist.

                    • weka

                      Which begs the question of why Andrew thinks Parker is lying.

            • Mainlander 10.4.1.2.1.2

              OAB why dont you take the advice you so readily give and fuck off, you offer nothing to the conversation on here, you hi-jack every thread with your spiteful rantings, some of us like to read the comments to actually learn something only to be bombarded by your neverending crap, yeah we get it you dont like Hooton, P George, National or anyone that disagrees with your myopic view, grow up man

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                This in response to my remark that more money onshore (accumulating in individual savers accounts) will help provide a stronger domestic economy, along with other positive measures planned.

                Or perhaps it was the Oravida comment. Anyway Mainlander, pretty much the only comments you ever offer are about me, so which one of us brings more to the table?

              • blue leopard

                I disagree with your comment Mainlander.

                I find OAB’s comments very constructive to the conversation. Perhaps his questions are making you uncomfortable and it is you that is battling with myopic tendencies?

      • fisiani 10.4.2

        Absolutely Andrew
        If you wanted a plan to really piss off the working class then here it is. It does not matter how the details will be constructed. No one listens to the caveats. All they will hear is the poor being robbed to make the mortgages of the rich cheaper.
        The blunder after blunder of these statements whether it is a baby bonus (but only for some) a rise in vets pensions(but actually not) getting trucks off at least 68/70,000km of highway, dropping $200 off electricity by nationalising but adding $500 to pay carbon tax and now robbing the poor to help the rich cannot be accidental. Someone in Labour is planning to lose really really badly in September. I see the hidden hand of Grant (the oh so silent one) Robertson encouraging such daft ideas to come to fruition. Who benefits from electoral disaster? The fat lad. The traitor.

  11. freedom 11

    I am not an expert on economics and though I may throw out ideas now and then, I never claim to know all the answers, so I have a question about this policy.

    Will not the same lowering of interest rates that helps mortgage holders also help generate a lot more loans for the expansion of existing businesses and the generation of new businesses ?

    This will in turn help increase employment, (and hopefully wages) which increases tax take as well as increases Kiwisaver which helps develop the funds which lowers the interest rates which helps generate new business etc etc

    or have I got it wrong?

    • ianmac 11.1

      freedom: “Will not the same lowering of interest rates that helps mortgage holders also help generate a lot more loans for the expansion of existing businesses and the generation of new businesses ?”
      I think that is what David Parker said and that the new business = more jobs. He also said (I think?) that the minimum wage would be increased to $16 per hour. It would mean that the “low wage earner” might avoid the income drop.
      Bill English has a new terrible concern for the low wage earner (hypocrite) yet brought in lower youth rates and raised minimum wage by about a miserable 25cents.

      • Colonial Viper 11.1.1

        It would mean that the “low wage earner” might avoid the income drop.

        So the low wage earner, who is already living hand to mouth with debts piling up, gets to stay still thanks to Labour’s thoughtfulness. Maybe.

        Why do I doubt that is going to engender much gratitude from the 800K-900K non-voters out there.

      • freedom 11.1.2

        I didn’t frame my comment very clearly I guess. Long night painting :) so off to bed.

        What I was trying to understand is how and why so much of the discussion appears focused on mortgages, instead of how this policy could be shaped to impact positively on the wider economy as a whole? Which, in my admittedly naive understanding of monetary policy, is meant to be the chief objective of all this policy brouhaha. There seems to be a lot self-interest being discussed. Driven by some pipe dream that there is a way out? That by swimming alone we can somehow stop circling the drain of capitalism’s inevitability.

    • Draco T Bastard 11.2

      That would be the theory but, then, the theory of economics that we’ve been following for the last thirty years also said that we’d be better off under it as well and we aren’t. I’m putting this policy into the twiddling at the edges category and failing to do the necessary reforms.

  12. weka 12

    I’m confused… Does the Labour policy apply to all interest rates or just mortgage ones? People are talking as if the only debt NZers have is mortgage debt.

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      Good point. Having said that, a 0.25% base interest rate change has no significant effect on credit card debt at 21.95%. Which is basically just extortion through usury.

      • weka 12.1.1

        Why does it affect mortgages then?

        • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1

          No idea. Remember only a small proportion of mortgage money outstanding is affected immediately. Maybe it’s just an excuse to move their profit margins around like what petrol companies do when the crude oil price changes. When you take out a $250,000 mortgage Westpac does not take the $250,000 from the NZ Reserve Bank to dish out to you and I.

          Especially when ANZ, BNZ, Westpac etc source their funds on international money markets, and not from the NZ Reserve Bank.

    • greywarbler 12.2

      Weka you’re in royal purple instead of plebeian red. Have you changed platforms?
      If you leave, can I come too? Dah dah. Mental as anything?

  13. greywarbler 13

    Interesting interviews on Radionz about the Gallipoli WWW1 commemorations. The children of veterans, as they are the closest to the people who made their personal sacrifices there of life or wellbeing, should have got first go. Perhaps one from each family, then if possible another. The age of these people would make it necessary to have a medical opinion as to their fitness. Yet many have been left out of the opportunity to attend, instead of being at the front of the queue.

    They have been bundled in with Youth apparently, in some fuzzy thought that they are the children of servicemen. All the same in some dunderheads mind. Next should have been the children of other WW1 veterans and probably they would have to have a ballot. But it seems that the ballots have been used for all within various categories.

    There is the question underlying the discussion of on-line use of disseminating information and providing essential forms to interact with government and agencies. The wording can be changed at will and if the original document has not been run off to a hard copy, then memory can be questioned but no definite reference can be sighted. I do not like on-line increasing reliance in our world that requires so much organisation, control, allocation etc.
    all with legal and possible sanctions and requirements and rules for those involved in applications and communications.

    There have been ballots for others who want to attend and classifications under which people could apply. First WW1 veterans of Gallipoli or any other theatres of war would have priority but most are dead and only a few would be well enough to travel. So the children of the servicemen should have been the absolute next priority. But no. About 60 of 193 applicants have been granted attendance, and the Minister says they have done well as that is a higher percentage than any other. Mention was made of an off the cuff survey of some people somewhere who thought all NZs should be able to apply and therefore this overrides the veterans children’s absolute right. Also mentioned was the interest among the young, and that then diminished the standing of veterans children.

    It reminds me of the end of Brave New World where the mindless seekers of new experience gather in their droves to watch the sad savage, tortured by memories and experiences and so conflicted that he harmed himself while they watched amazed by the sensational scene.

  14. Tautoko Viper 14

    The integrity of scientific reports depends very much on independent funding.
    The Science Media Centre does not appear to be a source of reliable information. NZ gets a mention in this article.
    https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/29-0

  15. Tiger Mountain 15

    Wide assed tory toady Rachel Glucina at it again, puts the slipper into actor Robyn Malcom for supporting Living wage campaign and then shamelessly brown noses ShonKey.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11246386

    • Colonial Viper 15.1

      When was the last time Glucina worked for minimum wage? Ever?

      • Blue 15.1.1

        Probably stayed in school, went to university and worked hard. So Id say you were right CV she’s probably never worked for minimum wage.

    • greywarbler 15.2

      I hadn’t seen Rachel Glucina as I have withdrawn from that irritating sphere of wannabes, so I looked her up and she was wearing a leopard spotted coat just like Poorer Benefit did at one time. And they both have that self-satisfied look of a cat that got the cream, ate their own food and robbed the bowls of the other moggies too.

      Actually Poorer might be changing her spots. I wonder now and then if she is being trained for a Jenny Shipley-type position, she has the bulk to push her way through, and the basic balls to force her opinion on everyone like Margaret Thatcher, and the accompanying distaste for the ordinary woman and the sort of man that gets called a deadbeat dad that makes a woman bullet-proof and very suitable to be a terminator for the tories. Watch this space.

  16. Morrissey 16

    Radio NZ’s dismal, dishonest Israeli correspondent
    Liat Collins, interviewed by Bryan Crump
    Radio NZ National, Tuesday 29 April 2014, 8:45 p.m.

    Israel has many newspapers, but two are dominant. There is the widely respected Ha’aretz, which employs outstanding journalists like Amira Hass and Gideon Levy. And then there is the hard right, extremist Jerusalem Post, a vicious hate rag so extreme and crazed in its editorial line that it makes Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post seem moderate and well balanced.

    Guess which paper Radio New Zealand goes to for regular “updates” on Israel….

    BRYAN CRUMP: Now for our three-monthly visit to Israel, we welcome Liat Collins from the Jerusalem Post. Hello Liat.
    LIAT COLLINS: Ehhhmmmmmm, hello Bryan.
    BRYAN CRUMP: Now, Liat, in New Zealand we’ve just had our solemn remembrance day, which is Anzac Day. And Israel has just had its solemn day, which is VERY solemn, and that is Holocaust Memorial Day. The whole country comes to a stop, doesn’t it.
    LIAT COLLINS: Yes it does. We also have Remembrance Day, where we remember everyone who has fallen in the service of the state of Israel. It’s a very solemn occasion too. Everyone in Israel knows someone who has died on duty or fallen by terror.
    BRYAN CRUMP: Now, Liat, Anzac Day in New Zealand is very solemn. There’s a lot of staring at the ground on Anzac Day. I guess that Israel’s Remembrance Day is also very solemn?
    LIAT COLLINS: Ehhhhmmmm, yes it is. By the way, we have an Anzac ceremony in Israel too. We have military graves where Anzac soldiers from the First World War are buried, particularly in Beersheba. [1]
    BRYAN CRUMP: Liat, what’s the Passover again? It’s a period of fasting, isn’t it?
    LIAT COLLINS: [guffaws] No, no, no, no.

    ……[Extended pause]……

    BRYAN CRUMP: The big news of the past week from Israel is that the peace talks have ended. This is mainly because Hamas and Fatah, the two factions, have reconciled?
    LIAT COLLINS: Ehhhhmmmm, Hamas has as part of its charter, which it has refused to change, the destruction of Israel. It’s not even a matter of negotiation on borders. They believe that we have no right as a state….
    BRYAN CRUMP: [carefully] I guess there’s one thing that comes to mind: does Hamas say Jews have no right to live in Israel? Or just that there should be no Jewish state?
    LIAT COLLINS: [flustered] Ehhmmmm. Hamas is responsible for the rocket attacks. Ehmmmm…. It’s a splinter group from the Muslim Brotherhood…. ehmmmmmm…. It’s an al Qaeda group… ehmmmm……

    [Long, uncomfortable pause]…..

    BRYAN CRUMP: [tenderly, solicitously] Liat, does Fatah say that?
    LIAT COLLINS: [increasingly flustered] Hamas says Jews shouldn’t be here. With Fatah, it’s a little more ambiguous. Ehhhmmmm…. We have a right to exist. Israel is one Jewish state surrounded by twenty Muslim states. Ehmmmmm….
    BRYAN CRUMP: Do you think that Fatah might be a moderating influence on Hamas?
    LIAT COLLINS: We don’t have much of a margin to gamble here. The missiles are falling in southern Israel. We can’t really gamble with these people, ehmmmmmm.
    BRYAN CRUMP: Have there been any rocket attacks launched from Gaza?
    LIAT COLLINS: Oh yeah. It’s pretty ongoing. So definitely… [nervous guffaw] I mean, there are so many other problems in the world. Like Syria. To even focus on Israel-Palestine—it’s not the central problem in the world right now, I don’t think….

    …..[Extended pause]…..

    BRYAN CRUMP: Liat Collins, thank you. More in three months’ time.

    POSTSCRIPT: In case you think we’ve got three months until we are again subjected to anything as dismal as Liat Collins, think again. Jim Mora’s guests on The Panel today are Dita Di Boni and David Farrar.

    [1] This foolish and dishonest woman would never mention it, of course, but the Anzac history at Beersheba is the very opposite of honorable or heroic or brave….
    http://alh-research.tripod.com/Light_Horse/index.blog?topic_id=1115959

    More on Liat Collins and others like her….
    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-24042013/#comment-623958
    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-29032011/#comment-314173
    
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-29032011/#comment-314173
    
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-04072011/#comment-347912
    
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-12072011/#comment-352724



    • Tiger Mountain 16.1

      Agree with Morrisey on this one, Crump is a chump or closet Israeli supporter the way he lets the reality of the apartheid state slide by in this manner on national radio. Even a casual listener could pick up the lack of balance.

    • swordfish 16.2

      Ha Haaaa !!!

      As I listened to all of that crap from Liat Collins (and Bryan’s inability to challenge it), I said to family members ‘Morrissey will be on Open Mike tonight or tomorrow to sort all this shit out’. And so it came to pass.

      Let’s just start by pointing out that the Yishuv (pre-Israeli Zionist community in Palestine) and its leaders like Ben-Gurion had a very dodgy relationship with the Holocaust. A good deal of collaboration with the Nazis and anti-semitic leaders of the Baltic nations and so on. Strenuous efforts to prevent European Jews escaping to Britain and the US (for the Yishuv leaders it was Palestine or nothing), the bullying of Holocaust survivors in immediate post-war Displaced Persons Camps (the US allowed Zionist groups from Israel to take over many of these camps – and survivors – the overwhelming majority of whom wanted to go to the US – were largely forced through coercion – including outright violence – to emigrate to Palestine instead).

      When Holocaust survivors arrived in Israel, they were treated abominably by much of Israeli society, particularly by State officials (although there were honourable exceptions). All of which is best encapsulated by the derisive Yishuv slang name for Holocaust survivors: “soap” (based on the – now discredited – idea that Holocaust victims bodies had been turned into soap by the Nazis). The survivors were deemed shameful by Zionists because they and the victims were considered to have gone like lambs to the slaughter – whereas Zionism was all about celebrating the idea of the gun-toting take-no-prisoners Zionist Jew. And many survivors were forced – again against their will – to fight in the 1948 War. Many, having survived the Holocaust against all the odds (and still greatly traumatised), went on to die in that War for an Israeli nation that largely despised them.

      The Holocaust, of course, only became important to Israel after its leaders decided it could be of political use to close down criticism of Israeli policies (largely after Adolf Eichmann’s trial in 1962).

      It’s been said that to this day a disproportionate number of Holocaust survivors and their descendents live below the poverty line in Israel (50,000 by one recent estimate). So much for the solemn remembrance day !!!

      As for Hamas and the reconciliation – same old Israeli propaganda from Collins. And in the Dominion Post and The Herald – both of which had outrageous headlines to the effect that the putative reconciliation has destroyed “The Peace Process”. Unbe-fucking-lievable !!!

      Hamas, of course, have made it clear over the last decade that they will accept the Two-State solution as long as it is entirely grounded in International Law. I mean Fuck you’d have no idea that Israel was continuing a murderous 47-year Occupation and long-term ethnic-cleansing of Palestinian Territory or that 3 times as many Palestinian civilians had been murdered by the Israeli military. Instead, what you get from propagandists like Collins and the crap in much of the New Zealand media is an innocent little Israel quietly going about its business when a whole lot of nasty Arab Johnnies start attacking it.

      I won’t even start on the Orwellian absurdity of the so-called “Peace Process” (not least because I know Morrissey and others here are well aware of the truth).

      • Morrissey 16.2.1

        That is an excellent summary, Swordfish. The Israeli state’s cynical exploitation of the murder of six million Jews has been brilliantly dealt with by scholars; I particularly recommend the work on the subject by Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein. Mordechai Richler’s brilliant book This Year in Jerusalem deals with the same ghastly phenomenon.

        Here’s a clip of Finkelstein neatly outlining why he has no patience with Israel’s attempt to appropriate the Holocaust as an ideological weapon….
        http://vimeo.com/8337747

        • Colonial Viper 16.2.1.1

          Israel world’s leading supplier of advanced military drones and weaponised drone tactics

          The suggestion is that large numbers have been killed by Israeli drone strikes in the occupied territories over the years; some legitimate targets but many civilians as well.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iu-a-irAiA

          • Morrissey 16.2.1.1.1

            “Legitimate targets”? These are illegal, extrajudicial executions. Would you also support weaponized drones being sent to terrorize the population of Washington D.C. and “take out” legitimate targets like Senator John McCain and some of the other bloodthirsty war-mongers that infest that town?

            • Colonial Viper 16.2.1.1.1.1

              Speaking of which, military style drones are in widespread use in the USA today by law enforcement and yes, I expect that in a matter of a couple of years, weaponised variants will indeed be used by the US Government on its own soil against American citizens. Otherwise known as bringing home the tools of Imperial repression.

  17. captain hook 17

    there is no magical equilibrium that suits everybody. ONly Labour has the nous to apply dynamic solutions to always changing variables. All National can do is channel everything into their mates pockets and retire behind their walls to enjoy the spoils. YOu know, jetboats, hotels, leafblowers angle grinders and anything else that is expensive and makes a lot of noise.

    • greywarbler 17.1

      We make a lot of noise. Maybe some of that dirty tory money can come and help us advocate for the people. That would be interesting. Business often has a bob or so both ways.

    • Chooky 17.2

      captain hook +100

    • Colonial Viper 17.3

      ONly Labour has the nous to apply dynamic solutions to always changing variables

      That is partly true but not entirely – eg. why are Labour still sitting at just 30-33% in the polls. Where is the dynamic adaptability there? The truth is that Labour, like every long established political party, has to spend a lot of time and energy dealing with organisational and internal political constraints.

  18. geoff 18

    Listen (or dont) to the scum bank economists, Dominick Stephens (Westpac) and Paul Bloxham(HSBC) on RNZ this morning, lying about how Labour’s policy is no good.

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    • Chooky 18.1

      @geoff …well they would say that wouldnt they?…given where they come from

      • vto 18.1.1

        Bank economists are completely and utterly compromised and I have no idea why they are spoken to for supposedly objective comment without ulterior motive.

        It is a bit of a tired old joke. It is about time RNZ sharpened up and got truly objective commentary.

        I mean, really, why would a bank describe a policy which reduces the amount it receives as revenue as a good policy? Eh? Radio NZ? Perhaps you can explain why a bank would have any desire to be objective in their commentary? Why do you use them RNZ? You are letting yourself down very badly ……

        • greywarbler 18.1.1.1

          vto
          Firing in the right direction. I thought that too. Paul somebody from HCSB or similar letters and some other well known bank whore. Objective don’t make me laugh.

  19. framu 19

    jesus wept how do you write an article on a subject, admit you dont know what your talking about in the same article and still get it published?!

    Is hawkes bay really that short of journos?

  20. vto 20

    … woops … accidentally posted this on yesterday’s open mike…

    This is a likely story http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9992233/Immigration-controls-to-dampen-house-prices

    … a New Zealand government using immigration to keep house prices low? Yeah right. Everyone knows that every government opens the immigration taps 12-18 months out from an election. Helen Clark did it. John Key is doing it right now. As long as immigration sits at around 30,000 p.a. then we have upward pressure on house values, and that keeps everyone voting for the incumbent government no matter what.

    I just do not believe that a Labour government would not again open the immigration taps to enhance their chances of re-election in the future.

    It is the oldest trick in the book.

  21. ianmac 21

    Horizon Poll:
    The research, covering 3060 respondents nationwide in October last year, and released for the first time today, finds
    70% support for making KiwiSaver compulsory:
    65% support a compulsory savings scheme and 5% “lean toward” supporting it.
    12% oppose a compulsory savings scheme and 3% “lean toward” opposing it.
    8% are neutral – and could go either way.
    That posted before I could comment. Anyway in the light of the Labour policy it is at least interesting. Note October 2013

    • Bearded Git 21.1

      Wow ianmac. If that Horizon Poll has validity Labour might actually win some votes on this policy.

      The low paid who may be worst affected (though compensating policies are in the pipeline for them) are very unlikely to cross over and vote for the Nats while the mythical centre bods will see the Kiwisaver/Reserve Bank policy as sensible.

  22. aerobubble 22

    Ukraine, the new NI?

    Why has Ukraine not moved to build a wall. Isn’t that what they do. Build a wall along the border between Russia and Ukraine. Draw out the terrorists into the country side to stop the wall.

    How can a breakdown in law and order assist the Russia breakaway movement, all they do is set the lowest standard for the future.

    Why does Putin want to destabilize? Was the corruption aorund sochi so big, was the former President of Ukraine’s fraud so big that Russian’s corrupt fear a precedent, that they will be
    next???

    • Colonial Viper 22.1

      Why don’t you get a sense of historical context for starters instead of buying into State Department propaganda. The Ukraine has always had a lot to do with Russia, for centuries. It has nothing to do the US and very little to do historically with western Europe.

      After the fall of the USSR, NATO agreed to not expand eastwards towards Russia. That agreement wasn’t worth the paper it was written on.

      Now, the US has now facilitated right wing extremist politicians in taking over Ukraine, in an extra-constitutional fashion. Constitutional elections were not held.

      Ask yourself why this is so, and how do you think the USA would react if Russia tried a similar takeover of say Mexico or Alaska.

      Why has Ukraine not moved to build a wall.

      Because the Ukranian Government is broke up to its eyeballs, it cannot even afford to pay for gas let alone a new massive building project, and once the Ukranian power elite finish signing deals with the IMF and World Bank, ordinary Ukranians will be financially fucked for the next 3 generations.

      Welcome to bankster serfdom care of your friends in the west.

      • aerobubble 22.1.1

        Okay, I’ll play. So all that lush farmland needed to feed the world, and why EU, etc are interested in Ukraine (like China’s interest in Africa for minerals) can be totally ignored by you, along with Russia’s oligarchs sizing up Crimea as the next Sofia like resort. As for Russia wanting to reignite the cold war, what trash, Putin has real problems at home and needs distractions. From the amount of corruption at the winter Olympics. He’d rather start a crisis on his border (or atleast allow it to fester) than have to deal with the chronic state of the Russia economy.

        There are as many minorities in Russia, that’ll be looking at Ukraine and wondering when the Russians amongst them will start want more of this first class appreciation that we now see in
        Russian separatists in Ukraine. Their lawlessness says everything about Putins willingness to profit politically from Ukraine political economic crisis, starting with Crimea…

        Sorry, but in no way can it be said Putin’s Russia is onto a winning hand, or right in their stance towards the Ukraine, Putins has basically declare Russia to be a fair weather friend. All neighbors are on notice, the world is worried, and the only feasible reason why this is happening is that Putin is weak at home.

        • Colonial Viper 22.1.1.1

          Do you even know that Crimea was originally part of the Russian USSR until Kruschev transferred it to the Ukraine in 1954 by political decree?

          There are as many minorities in Russia, that’ll be looking at Ukraine and wondering when the Russians amongst them will start want more of this first class appreciation

          In Crimea, even the Tartars voted to join with Russia. Why stick around to support a bunch of unelected right wing extremists running the show in Kiev? The Russian Federation has successfully accommodated many different minority and ethnic groups within its constitutional Federation structure. No big deal, just business as usual. By the way if there was an issue, it’s not about “Russians” it’s about slavs.

          He’d rather start a crisis on his border (or atleast allow it to fester) than have to deal with the chronic state of the Russia economy.

          The US deposed an elected government and pushed into its place a group of right wing political extremists, while intending to move NATO right to the borders of Russia.

          And somehow you interpret that as Putin ‘started a crisis on his border’?

          So all that lush farmland needed to feed the world

          Europe isn’t interested in the Ukraine for its farmland, and neither is the US.

          Sorry, but in no way can it be said Putin’s Russia is onto a winning hand, or right in their stance towards the Ukraine…the only feasible reason why this is happening is that Putin is weak at home.

          You really have no idea do you?

          Allied forces in Afghanistan get the majority of their fuel, tens of millions of litres of diesel and kerosene a month, either from Russian companies or through Russia.
          In the next 12 months, US forces have to pull millions of tonnes of equipment out of Afghanistan. The safest, most secure, most politically reliable routes go through Russia.
          A multitude of European countries get 20% or more of their gas supplies from Russia. They can talk tough now since it is the European summer, but in 6 months time as it gets colder that’ll fold.
          The US can barely ship a single tonne of LNG across to Europe to compensate, despite US politicians blustering. It has no spare gas and the facilities for liquification and shipping are not available.

          Bottom line – I’m not sure that Putin is the one who has overplayed his hand.

        • Colonial Viper 22.1.1.2

          NATO moves dozens of military jets to Russian border

          http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-29/west-strikes-back-these-are-all-nato-aircraft-deployments-response-ukraine-crisis

          So it’s Putin the one stoking this “crisis” is it??? Is there any particular justification for all these NATO military assets to be moved to the Russian frontier? Ukraine is not a NATO country by the way, even though the way it looks, the west would like it to become one ASAP, right on Russia’s doorstep.

  23. bad12 23

    OUCH, said the head of an organization representing private owners of rental accommodation as David Parker announced that the ability of those private owners of rental accommodation will no longer be able to ”ring fence” any losses from the rental property and write these losses off against ”other income”,

    UP by 25% will go rents if David Parker has His way says the head of the organization representing private owners of rental accommodation, NOT SO says David Parker, ”rents cannot rise above what people can afford to pay”

    my question there is ”oh really” what’s an affordable rent David???, 50% of income, 60%, 70%,???

    i have had discussions on here befor with some like SSLands lying saying there is no such tax loophole that allows losses from rental property to be written off against taxes on other income,

    The head of the organization representing private rental owners has just outed His members as having a 25% free tax holiday on their rental properties and that obviously has to stop,

    This tax holiday from rental property losses was touted up and down New Zealand in the 1990′s in seminars held by tax lawyers and real estate sales people,(reputedly at up to 3 grand a head) and along with the laissez fairre immigration policies are a large part of why many without the real income to support such rental investments piled into them en masse,(200,000 homes into rental properties in 20 years says the Reserve Bank),

    While i agree with David Parker that the general tax base should not be being used to fund and subsidize private rental investments i have to ask what is plan B if the head of the organization representing these private rental investors is right and they simply begin to rack rent their tenants in an effort to recover the monies they will no longer have from having the tax loophole in the first place…

  24. lprent 24

    Shit. I’m off on a long pre-planned leave this week, it is already mid-week, and I think that I’m busier than I ever was at work. I’m feeling like my father who after retirement has been proclaiming that he has no idea about how he ever found time to work.

    I’d planned to get a number of irritating site issues fixed, a pile of irritating chores at home done, and some basic personal maintenance done. Like I’m finally trying to organize to get the TV aerial connection fixed that got buggered in September 2012. Turns out that all of the aerial people around here are busy.

    I did managed to go out shopping and get clothes. All my pairs of jeans were getting quite holy. My jerseys had accidentally discovered the dryer at various times and all of my other working without getting frozen jackets were in tatters or too small.

    Giving up smoking was also a problem in terms of the clothes. You can’t put on 10′s of kilos of weight and grindingly slowly take it off afterwards without finding you now need several sets of new clothes. But the hems of the jeans need taking up. I still haven’t found the right shoes that fit my wide feet. And once again I have discovered I hate shopping – especially the parking bit.

    Problem was that I decided at easter that I was going to change jobs, resigned and gave notice. Unfortunately So this week has been fractured with job interviews mixed in with the wee tasks that I’d planned to with a stay at home holiday.

    Not to mention a frigging annoying bug with AWS (amazon web services) that has been causing issues with the autoscaler. I’ve had to manually intervene on the loadings for the last three days damnit.

    About the only things I have managed to do is write more posts and spend a bit of time commenting, and finally finish the upgrades on my home servers and workstations. It is a pity that Chorus aren’t ready to install the fibre yet as well. I had plans for some configuration changes to TS if it was here.

    • greywarbler 24.1

      Just a thought there are still some bespoke shoe makers around. Why not find someone suitable who would keep your foot size and profile and just buy shoes from him or her. It can be hard to get a decent pair even if you find the right size. You possibly wouldn’t pay a personal shoemaker much more than a specialist shop for a good brand.

      • Ad 24.1.1

        Working Style, Menzies Shoes, and a beard trimmer.
        Cometh the man, cometh the job interview.

        Top work on the smoking and the weight.
        That is serious discipline.

        • lprent 24.1.1.1

          I have the beard trimmer – brought it a few months ago to stop Lyn complaining about hair tickling. But I have a simple technique of shaving it all off anyway and starting to shave once a interview rather than trimming once every fortnight. It renders the distraction of my white hairs less of an issue.

          For some reason I try not to dress up too much for interviews. It could have to do with not wanting to looked at as prime client facing material. Non holy versions of my normal Rod and Gunn type clothes with running shoes is about it. Many years ago, I’d go to problematic interviews in jandals. I view interviews as being as much about me figuring out who I want to work for as the other way around.

          It wasn’t that hard to give up smoking. Lyn waving around the last cigarette I was never going to smoke while I was in a hospital bed was quite convincing.

  25. captain hook 25

    so National is putting $100, 000,000 into defence. does that mean they are going to buy a squadron of F16′s for the RNZAF?

    • Colonial Viper 25.1

      More like 4 F-35 JSFs and a few spare parts

      • Draco T Bastard 25.1.1

        Dude, the f35s cost about AU$200m each (Aus is buying 58 of them for AU$12 billion).

    • Draco T Bastard 25.2

      No, it just means that National is replacing some of the hundreds of millions that they cut from defence that resulted in defence force personnel leaving.

  26. geoff 26

    Tim Watkins take on Labour’s policy has this line:
    “But some will look at their hand-to-mouth existence and ask where the savings money will come from. ”

    It will ultimately come from the wealthy who will be taxed more. As it should be.

    Anybody who disagrees…..go read Picketty.

    • Ergo Robertina 26.1

      Labour won’t go near Picketty’s 80c top marginal rate though. Not even half. Parker’s said that.

      • Draco T Bastard 26.1.1

        +1

      • geoff 26.1.2

        Labour won’t go near Picketty’s 80c top marginal rate though. Not even half. Parker’s said that.

        That’s at least because it would be politically untenable at this point in time. (whether Parker’s adamant super policy is also politically untenable is another conversation).
        Also do you have a link? I’m curious to see what else he said.

        This is one of Labour’s big problems, if they push policies too far left then they can be easily attacked by the neolib consensus that permeates NZ.

        But on the other hand if they don’t go left enough then they alienate their core supporters who accuse them of pandering to the neolib consensus.

        Catch 22 etc.

        • Draco T Bastard 26.1.2.1

          I think Piketty would be a great support for going even more left. Especially in regards to higher taxes on the wealthy.

        • Ergo Robertina 26.1.2.2

          http://www.listener.co.nz/current-affairs/the-curious-case-of-david-parker/

          It’s mentioned in a pay-walled Listener interview in January with Guyon Espiner.
          Top rate on income to go to 39c; the upper threshold for the high rate moves to $150k.
          No change in the business rate.
          Labour could still propose a wealth tax on very high incomes I suppose, although as you say it might be ‘politically untenable’. The parallel with Super is apposite. A common rationale for low taxes is that raising them has no support from lower income people, because they aspire to be in those leagues themselves. And yet, the wishes of those on lower incomes are ignored on a bunch of other stuff.

  27. captain hook 27

    so are all the tory squaddies in the airforce going to stop moaning about labour now?

  28. fisiani 28

    Brett Hudson chosen for National in Ohariu. A top candidate who will be a star in parliament.

    • miravox 28.1

      NewstalkZB doesn’t agree with you, fisi. An unknown, they say.

      I guess Hudson on the National list if he’s to be a star in parliament, unless National voters don’t the follow instructions to tick Dunne.

      • Clemgeopin 28.1.1

        I hope Labour will find a very strong local candidate to dethrone Dunne. He deserves to go in my opinion.

  29. Penny Bright 29

    Protest outside the electorate office of National MP Murray McCully – Minister for Foreign Affairs, Wednesday 30 April 2014:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152002536776790&set=pcb.10152002537011790&type=1&theater

    ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF ‘Open Letter’ /OIA to Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully re: ‘job offer/ / (BRIBE?) to Labour Party MP Shane Jones, from his Ministerial Secretary:

    30 April 2014 (3.37pm)

    Dear Penny,

    On behalf of Hon Murray McCully, Minister of Foreign Affairs, thank you for your correspondence of 30 April 2014 requesting information regarding the creation, and funding of, an economic ambassadorial role in the Pacific.

    You will receive a reply within 20 working days as required by the Official Information Act.

    Yours sincerely,

    Holly

    Holly Bennett | Ministerial Secretary | Office of Hon Murray McCully
    Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister for Sport and Recreation
    6.1 Executive Wing Beehive | Parliament Buildings | Wellington 6160 | New Zealand


    ‘Open Letter’ /OIA to Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully
    re: ‘job offer/ / (BRIBE?) to Labour Party MP Shane Jones:


    30 April 2014

    ‘Open Letter’ /OIA to Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully
    re: ‘job offer/ / (BRIBE?) to Labour Party MP Shane Jones

    Dear Minister McCully,

    Please be reminded of your statutory duties arising from the Public Records Act 2005:

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345536.html

    3 Purposes of Act

    The purposes of this Act are—
    (a)to provide for the continuation of the repository of public archives called the National Archives with the name Archives New Zealand (Te Rua Mahara o te Kāwanatanga); and

    (b)to provide for the role of the Chief Archivist in developing and supporting government recordkeeping, including making independent determinations on the disposal of public records and certain local authority archives; and

    (c)to enable the Government to be held accountable by—
    (i)ensuring that full and accurate records of the affairs of central and local government are created and maintained; and

    (ii)providing for the preservation of, and public access to, records of long-term value; and

    (d)to enhance public confidence in the integrity of public records and local authority records; and

    (e)to provide an appropriate framework within which public offices and local authorities create and maintain public records and local authority records, as the case may be; and

    (f)through the systematic creation and preservation of public archives and local authority archives, to enhance the accessibility of records that are relevant to the historical and cultural heritage of New Zealand and to New Zealanders’ sense of their national identity; and

    (g)to encourage the spirit of partnership and goodwill envisaged by the Treaty of Waitangi (Te Tiriti o Waitangi), as provided for by section 7; and

    (h)to support the safekeeping of private records.

    Please provide the following information:

    1) Copies of ALL correspondence, including but not limited to briefing notes, memorandums, meeting minutes, reports, emails telephone messages, between yourself, and any other person acting on your direction, and the Chief Executive of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT), regarding the creation of the position / proposed position of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’.

    2) Copies of ALL correspondence, including but not limited to briefing notes, memorandums, meeting minutes, reports, emails telephone messages, between yourself, and any other person acting on your direction, and the Chief Executive of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT), regarding the source(s) of funding for the position / proposed position of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’.

    ie: Information which confirms whether it was the Chief Executive of MFAT who considered and concluded, independently of yourself as Minister of Foreign Affairs, that the position / proposed position of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’.was necessary and that there was available funding.

    3) Information which confirms whether the position / proposed position of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’ is a ‘public service role’, where the person is appointed by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, so the Chief Executive of MFAT is their employer and funding is allocated in the budget and administered within the boundaries specified in the appropriations – or a’ministerial appointment’, funded from the appropriations for parliamentary services.

    4) Copies of ALL information, including but not limited to briefing notes, memorandums, meeting minutes, reports, emails, telephone messages, and texts between yourself, and Labour Party MP Shane Jones, relating to your ‘job offer’ to him, of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’, and related matters.

    Yours sincerely,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    ……………………

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate (polling 4th with 11,723 votes campaigning against corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region)

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

    • Clemgeopin 29.1

      Good on you for your public service and thanks. I admire your tenacity and the time and effort you put into holding the government and its dodgy actions to account.

  30. Scott1 30

    “The Government has confirmed $100 million in new funding for the defence force in the coming financial year – part of a $535 million package for the next four years.”

    “This significant investment in our defence force, combined with the savings and reinvestment achieved through recent reforms, means the Government is addressing the long term funding gap which we inherited,” Defence Minister Jonathan Coleman said."

    How big is the support for putting half a billion dollars into the defense force? Especially that half a billion to improve the radar systems of our ships. Would not most people prefer that money to be in education?

    • greywarbler 30.1

      Scott
      You realise that ‘education’ is the opiate of the political masses. What is it going to be used for, how is it being delivered, and where, and to whom and by whom? Will there be jobs and a world interested in applying the knowledge so hard won? Should our education be more in survival skills than theoretical subjects, be more in philosophy and thinking including future thinking, problem solving – applied learning rather than going for USA spelling bees and trite middle class ideas? Education a two-edged sword.

  31. greywarbler 31

    Colonial Viper at 16.2.1.1>
    On USA drones. It will be made easier for the government there to utilise these against their own citizens if the concept of commercial use of them ‘takes off’. There has been talk about fast delivery of medicines, on-line purchases etc. There could be a significant number of these things flying around and no way of knowing whether they are offering fast delivery service or delivering nemesis to someone who then needs medical or funeral service.

    I don’t get any response to my Reply button on my Opera browser so that’s why I am at a distance from the topic. I also use Firefox which works well but my mail goes to Opera.

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  • New parents deserve support – Labour will deliver
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    Labour | 23-07
  • National refuses meeting with Maui’s advocates
    National has refused a briefing from a group of Maui's dolphins experts, whose research shows 80 per cent of New Zealanders want greater protection for the critically endangered dolphin, the Green Party said today.Dolphin campaigner Gemma McGrath and marine scientist...
    Greens | 23-07
  • MANA Tamaki send a challenge to Labour
    “Labour should set the agenda and purposely do something positively controversial once a week”, said MANA candidate for Mt Albert, Joe Carolan. “A good start would be for all Labour Auckland MPs and members to join the Justice for Palestine...
    Mana | 23-07
  • We must act to save our dolphins
    A new report makes it clear for the urgent need to protect Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins while arguing  it is clear that there is no need for further research, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson.  “Labour backs the public call...
    Labour | 23-07
  • School told to manipulate national standards data
    Parents can have little confidence in the Government’s National Standards after an Auckland school was told to manipulate its data so it added up, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins. “Valley School in Pukekohe was advised in an email from the...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Regional economies must have tailored plans
    News that up to 114 jobs could be lost from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton reinforces the need for a government plan to build resilient regional economies, Labour’s MP for Hauraki-Waikato Nanaia Mahuta says. “The Canpac site has effectively responded...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Auditor General slams Shared Services project
    The Auditor-General’s Office could not have been more damning about the 18 months spent on the Central Agency Shared Services (CASS) project at the Finance and Expenditure Committee this morning, says Maryan Street, Labour’s State Services spokesperson.  ...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Fonterra job losses a massive blow to Waikato
    The potential loss of up to 114 jobs from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton is a massive blow to the Waikato region which has already lost hundreds of jobs, Labour says. Labour’s Social Development spokesperson and Hamilton-based list MP Sue...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Basin flyover decision an opportunity for capital
    The decision to reject the proposed flyover at the Basin Reserve must be taken as an opportunity to properly fund Wellington’s transport future and must not be used as an excuse to take resources away from the capital, Wellington Labour MPs...
    Labour | 22-07
  • National out of touch with the regions
    John Key is out of touch with regional New Zealand if he believes tinkering with council regulations will restore opportunities to small towns, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “While the regions are crying out for sustainable growth and job opportunities,...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Flyover rejection a victory for sustainable transport
    The rejection of the proposed Basin Reserve flyover by a Board of Inquiry is a victory for sustainable transport in Wellington and paves the way for other alternatives to be given a fair hearing, Wellington Labour MPs Grant Robertson and...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Reo Māori Policy Launch
    MANA will be launching its Reo Māori policy at 10am Thursday 24 July, at Matangireia (the old Māori Affairs Select Committee room at Parliament). We will also be addressing our concerns regarding the Minister of Māori Affairs Māori Language Strategy...
    Mana | 22-07
  • Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense
    The Green Party welcomed the Environmental Protection Authority's draft decision announced today not to allow the $90 million Basin Reserve flyover in Wellington to proceed."Both popular and expert opinion opposed the flyover. The proposal was expensive, unnecessary and would have...
    Greens | 22-07
  • Loss Leading could destroy Kiwi lamb’s reputation
    Meat companies that supply supermarkets and sell New Zealand lamb as a loss leader in the United Kingdom should lose their access to this valuable quota market, said Labour’s Primary Industries spokesperson Damien O’Connor. “Our reputation as a Lamb producer...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Ae Marika! 22 July 2014
    The big storm has gone, but the damage that it did and the saturation levels that it reached meant that smaller storms quickly overwhelmed roading, and water-flow systems again in the north. And although certain individuals are talking up the...
    Mana | 21-07
  • 2014 Roger Award nominations now open
    The Roger Award is for The Worst Transnational Corporation Operating in Aotearoa/New Zealand in 2014 Nominations are now open please visit the website to nominate the worst TNC in Aotearoa. You will need to include reasons why you think your...
    Mana | 21-07
  • Labour will revive the regions with new fund
    The next Labour Government will co-develop Regional Growth Plans for every region of New Zealand and will invest at least $200 million in a fund to create breakthrough opportunities for jobs and sustainable growth, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says....
    Labour | 21-07
  • Speech to Local Government New Zealand
    Speech to the Local Government New Zealand Conference 2014 Read our full regional development policy Download Introduction Early in my time as an MP I went for a long walk on a windswept Kare Kare beach with Waitakere mayor Bob Harvey. We talked...
    Labour | 21-07
  • Something Fishy About Nick Smith’s Game.
    NICK SMITH’S crude intimidation of the Fish and Game Council points to the bleakest of environmental futures should National be re-elected on 20 September. It is now considerably clearer than 60 percent of New Zealand’s lakes, rivers and streams that...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Key’s odd personal hypocrisy in Epsom, his kiss of death to the Maori Par...
    Aside from tricking Colin Craig into running in an electorate National can crush him in, John Key has announced three things in his election deals that are ill thought out. The first is his deal with the Maori Party. At a time...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Why it’s all over for the Conservative Party
    Whatever flirtations were made months ago to Colin Craig by National strategists, the polling must have come back showing them too much of their soft urban vote would walk if Key was in Government with Colin Craig.  The necessary inside muscle to...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Balance in the NZ Herald and has something gone terribly wrong at the Heral...
    So the ‘balance’ in the NZ Herald this year for the election will be… Guest columnists will include the acerbic Cactus Kate from the radical right, former Labour candidate Josie Pagani and broadcaster Mark Sainsbury. Right, so that would be...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Phew – National Party hubris seals strategy
    The National Party are bot listening to Matthew Hooton. Phew. Hooton has crunched the numbers and based on past polling National always drops 6 points come election day. National aren’t listening. Barging through the need to cut deals with all...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Noam Chomsky on the TPPA
    Noam Chomsky on the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Unacceptable secrecy around labelling people terrorists
    It’s good to see the Sunday Star-Times attempting to get more information from government agencies about Daryl Jones, the Kiwi killed in a US drone strike in Yemen.  The paper is right to complain about the government’s refusal to provide...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • A critical deconstruction of John Key – what’s behind the facade?
    Aspiring national leaders need a popular narrative of their rise to power.  Once in office, the narrative can be refined to fit the requirements of leadership and re-election.  Such is the purpose of John Roughan’s John Key: Portrait of  a...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Radio Live – off Mark
    The Top Marks lasted five weeks on Mediaworks radio station The Sound. This may have something to do with last being relevant in the mid-1980s when there were only two commercial FM licences in Auckland and they were on one...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Wellingtonians say ‘No!’ to Israeli aggression
    .   . Wellington, NZ, 26 July – About 600 Wellingtonians, and from further afield, met at the Cuba Mall Bucket fountain under a wintery sunny sky, to protest Israel’s continuing aggression in the Gaza strip, which – at the...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Shasha Ali – I am an indigenous person but I will never call ...
    Yesterday was indeed a politically hectic day in Aoteaora New Zealand, especially if you are an activist that cares about both human and non-human animal rights. Protest actions were organised to demand an end to factory farming from about noon, and...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Pro-Israel, Pro-Palestine or ‘Pro-Peace’?
    Latest protest for people of Gaza in Auckland In the past couple of weeks I have heard a lot of people say that they are neither Pro-Israel nor Pro-Palestine; they are pro-peace. This is a stand that I respect. Everyone...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • So we can’t feed the kids, the poor OR the sick now?
    Let me get this straight. We can borrow $10 billion in tax cuts over the last 6 years for the richest NZers, but we can not feed the kids, the poor or even the sick now? Revealed: Warning over hospital food...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Kim Dotcom has said it, Laila Harre has said it and now David fisher says i...
    Fascinating piece by David Fisher in the NZ Herald breaking down how many opportunities the Government had to listen to officials and stop KDC entering the country and concludes KDC should never have been allowed in… It prepared papers for the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • You, Me and the GCSB Public Meetings
      The GCSB and TICS legislation rushed through Parliament by John Key represent the largest erosion of civil liberties this country has seen since the 1951 Waterfront Lockout. In the post Snowden world we now know a mass surveillance state operating...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • A feminist takedown of Whale Oil
    Whale Oil does it again. How many more times is he going to attack and discredit Tania Billingsley publicly? In a short blog published on Wednesday ‘Nothing to be sorry for‘ Whale Oil also known as Cameron Slater, is defending John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Ares Rolinson – New Zealand First – We’ll Be Back
    Earlier this week, Bomber penned a missive which set out in some detail why he thought my people, New Zealand First, wouldn’t be making it back into Parliament later this year. Being a pugnacious, vindictive sort who’d never let such an...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • The changes teachers DO want
    “Oh you teachers, you just want everything to stay the same – what’s wrong with choice?  Bloody teachers.  Typical that you don’t want testing – trying to hide that you’re all useless. What about our poor kids?  Gnash gnash rant rant...” That’s...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • A feminist take down of Whale Oil
    Whale Oil does it again. How many more times is he going to attack and discredit Tania Billingsley publicly? In a short blog published on Wednesday Nothing to be sorry for Whale Oil also known as Cameron Slater, is defending John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • On so called Labour Party ‘distractions’
    The right wing of the Labour Party are constructing a narrative that Labour need to stop chasing distractions and focus on the real issues that matter and not these silly GCSB, inequality, domestic violence, media bias, TPPA issues. It is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • Selfies: Labour’s Electorate MPs are at it again
    IT’S A LITTLE TRIANGLE of grass at the corner of Rewa Street and Mt Eden Road, ideal for election hoardings. Wandering along Mt Eden Road last Saturday morning to our weekly appointment with the brunch menu at Orvieto, my family and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • Well, well, well – Jonathan Coleman did know about FBI interest into Kim ...
    Last years GCSB Town Hall meeting in Auckland Oh dear, the cover up and lies are starting to fall over now aren’t they… Coleman knew of FBI interest in Dotcom pre-residency decisionGovernment minister Jonathan Coleman knew the FBI was interested...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Why You Must March Against Factory Farming This Saturday, 12pm
    The rally this Saturday is critical because this is the FIRST TIME IN NEW ZEALAND HISTORY that a major party has agreed to ban all intensive factory farming practices. The Labour party, the Greens, Internet-Mana, the SPCA, SAFE and other...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Astronaut tweets photo of explosions over Israel and Gaza from space
      This is what a war zone looks like from space: From aboard the International Space Station, German astronaut Alexander Gerst tweeted this image as the station passed over Israel and Gaza in what he called ‘his saddest photo yet’....
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • When Firstline are focusing on flag burning rather than dead Palestinian ch...
    The IDF are butchering children in UN schools this morning and what’s the big issue on TV3s Firstline? Flag burning. How pathetic, and what a slap in the face to Mike McRoberts who is currently risking his life in Gaza...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • ‘Victim’ vs ‘Terrorist’
    ‘Victim’ vs ‘Terrorist’...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Petition asking TVNZ to stand Hosking down as election moderator jumps to o...
    In just a day the petition calling on TVNZ to replace Hosking as the election moderator has jumped to over 2500, you can sign it here. The defence that the Right are trying to run here is that John Campbell...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • When the mainstream media go feral: the descent into sheer farce, according...
    . . It had to happen, I guess… The media pack-campaign against Labour Leader David Cunliffe has managed to  plumb new depths of absurdity. On TV3, on 24 July,  TV3/Tova O’Brien ran this report on their 6PM News bulletin, about...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting: MIKE HOSKING FOR PM?
    Yes indeed. Mike Hosking is for the PM. And now he’s able to do even more as moderator (or should that be immoderator) of TVNZ’s election debates. Here at the Coalition for Better Broadcasting we feel it’s pretty safe to say that...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • The lie that “There is no alternative” to neo-liberal economic policies
    Supporters of President Maduro in Venezuela rally   Since the 1980s we have had drubbed into our heads that there was no alternative to the economic and social policies unleashed at that time. It even had it’s own acronym – TINA. The...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • A Kanaky tale of mining skulduggery and environmental courage
    Florent Eurisouké … still campaigning against mining. Photo: Del Abcede/PMC David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific AN EXTRAORDINARY story of mining skulduggery and a courageous struggle by indigenous Kanak environmental campaigners has been captured in a poignant new documentary,...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • UNBREAKING: The list of questions Mike Hosking will use in first TVNZ leade...
    “Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the first TVNZ leaders debate being held live in the gloriously beautiful Sky City ball room. It’s such a beautiful building boys and girls, we are so blessed to have Sky City...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Internet Party Party review
      I have been to A LOT of political party functions in my time, and they tend to be dull affairs at the best of times but what is happening with Internet MANA is something quite exciting. I went to...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Dear Seven Sharp – after learning Hosking will be the leaders debate ...
    I have to be honest, I had made the decision last night  to accept Seven Sharp’s hastily offered opportunity to appear on their show after I savagely criticised the bullshit whitewash story they did on John Key’s favourite far right hate speech...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • National refuses meeting with Maui’s advocates
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: National refuses meeting with Maui’s advocates Wednesday, 23 Jul 2014 | Press Release This is another reminder that the National Government does not care about the survival of the Maui’s dolphin National...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Message from CTU President Helen Kelly
    MIL OSI – Source: Unite Union – Headline: Message from CTU President Helen Kelly Dear MikeThere’s only 43 days until September 3, when voting in the General Election starts. The last day to vote is September 20.Thanks heaps for signing...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • MANA Tamaki send a challenge to Labour
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: MANA Tamaki send a challenge to Labour Posted on July 23, 2014 by admin in Joe Carolan, Press Releases“Labour should set the agenda and purposely do something positively controversial once a week”,...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • We must act to save our dolphins
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: We must act to save our dolphins A new report makes it clear for the urgent need to protect Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins while arguing  it is clear that there is no...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • School told to manipulate national standards data
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: School told to manipulate national standards data Parents can have little confidence in the Government’s National Standards after an Auckland school was told to manipulate its data so it added up, Labour’s...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Regional economies must have tailored plans
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Regional economies must have tailored plans News that up to 114 jobs could be lost from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton reinforces the need for a government plan to build resilient regional...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Auditor General slams Shared Services project
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Auditor General slams Shared Services project The Auditor-General’s Office could not have been more damning about the 18 months spent on the Central Agency Shared Services (CASS) project at the Finance and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Fonterra job losses a massive blow to Waikato
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Fonterra job losses a massive blow to Waikato The potential loss of up to 114 jobs from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton is a massive blow to the Waikato region which has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Basin flyover decision an opportunity for capital
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Basin flyover decision an opportunity for capital The decision to reject the proposed flyover at the Basin Reserve must be taken as an opportunity to properly fund Wellington’s transport future and must...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Indonesia: New President Widodo must make good on human rights pledges
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Indonesia: New President Widodo must make good on human rights pledges Indonesia’s new President Joko Widodo must deliver on campaign promises to improve Indonesia’s dire human rights situation, Amnesty International said....
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Communities in Sierra Leone turn their backs on female genital mutilation
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Communities in Sierra Leone turn their backs on female genital mutilation While activists gather in London to discuss strategies to tackle female genital mutilation, communities across Sierra Leone have been taking...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • The Gambia: Activists mark 20 years of iron-fisted repression
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: The Gambia: Activists mark 20 years of iron-fisted repression The Gambian government must abolish the laws and iron fisted practices that have resulted in two decades of widespread human rights violations,...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • A blog from the front lines of Palestine: It’s time for a new narrative
    I don’t know if I follow trouble or if trouble follows me, but somehow I seem to have found myself near one of the world’s hotspots again. The difference this time is that instead of sitting in some obscure location,...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood – The Path Ahead
    It’s well established that Labour has had a difficult couple of weeks. Getting back on to a successful path requires our focus to shift from looking inwards to outwards, heightened discipline, and inner conviction. While my assessment of New Zealand...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Employers liquidating companies to avoid paying minimum entitlements
    Across the union movement we have seen a number of documented cases now where companies are liquidating their business in order to avoid their legal obligations, in terms of paying the minimum entitlements to their workers. The most recent example...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Carolan : Positively Controversial
    The protest in Auckland last weekend that the NZ Herald claimed was attend by only a hundred people. Labour should set the agenda and purposely do something positively controversial once a week. A good start would be for all their...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Forest & Bird supports Fish and Game’s freshwater advocacy
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird is concerned over allegations the Fish & Game Council has been threatened over its advocacy for freshwater quality....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Time for Epsom to say “no deal”
    “Epsom voters will be disgusted by the deal announced today to try and once again gift their electorate to the ACT Party”, says Labour candidate for Epsom Michael Wood....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Petition for release the of seven Bah
    At the invitation of the Honourable Annette King the New Zealand Bahá'í community is presenting a petition to the House of Representatives asking the NZ government to demand the release of the seven former leaders of the Baha’i community in...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Capital gains in the capital city
    Victoria University will today be hosting a public debate on the merits of more comprehensive capital gains tax—a step which taxation expert Associate Professor Dr David White considers would be beneficial for New Zealand. Organised by student group Beta Alpha...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Te Kupenga supports efforts of anti-violence campaigner
    Te Kupenga Whakaoti Mahi Patunga – National Network of Stopping Violence Services (Te Kupenga) wholeheartedly endorses statements made by DJ, Kickboxer and Anti-Violence Campaigner Richie Hardcore this morning on TV3’s Firstline about the role of men...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • iPredict Ltd2014 Election Update #28
    The chances of a fiscal surplus in 2014/15 continue to plunge and are down to 50%, according to the combined wisdom of the 7000 registered traders on New Zealand’s online predictions market, iPredict. The forecast surplus is now just 0.22%...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • TPPA is a bad idea
    “Currently New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Brunei, Vietnam, the USA, Japan, Malaysia, Canada, and Mexico are still negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement. Officially talks finished last August, but the reality is that they keep...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Getting privacy right in our data future
    Privacy Commissioner John Edwards welcomes the release of the New Zealand Data Futures Forum’s report....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Conference on Democracy, Ethics and the Public Good
    Conference on Democracy, Ethics and the Public Good A conference is to be held in Wellington on 1 and 2 August with the aim of starting a NZ-wide discussion about the quality of our democracy. The conference is hosted jointly...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Paddock to plate, and smart roads possible
    New Zealand’s international brand and exports could grow significantly with the creation of a data sharing ‘eco-system’ according to a paper released by the NZ Data Futures Forum today....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Ngapuhi wants to overthrow Maori King
    Ngapuhi is planning a hui for the end of the year – organised by iwi leader David Rankin – in which the future of the King Movement will be discussed....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Housing warrant of fitness little help for sick children
    A housing warrant of fitness has been promoted as a way of preventing sickness among children in poverty. The attached report shows that such a regime would have little impact on health outcomes but would come at a considerable cost,...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Upcoming Fabian Events in Auckland
    Sue Bradford ’s PhD thesis, 'A major left wing think tank in Aotearoa—an impossible dream or a call to action?' looked at why no major left wing think tank has developed in Aotearoa and whether the left in 2010-2013 was...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Senior Citizens, Not Senile Citizens
    The Taxpayers’ Union is questioning the merits and costs of the “ No car? No problem! Getting around your community without a car” brochure, released by the Office for Senior Citizens. The brochure’s purpose is to explain to senior citizens...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • NZ Troops Hone Their Skills in Queensland
    Around 260 New Zealand troops are on a 25-day Australian-led warfighting exercise in Townsville, Northern Queensland....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Maritime Union backs Green Party call for shipping lanes
    The Maritime Union is backing the Green Party’s policy to implement compulsory shipping lanes for coastal shipping, announced today....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Auckland Council Bypasses Public, Ditches Rodeo Ban
    Auckland Council Bypasses Public, Ditches Rodeo Ban The Auckland Council has announced that they are abandoning the rodeo ban on council land, put into place in 2008. This was done with virtually no consultation, says SAFE, the animal advocacy organisation....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Tolley and Coleman urged to meet West Papuan visitor
    Ministers Tolley and Coleman urged to meet West Papuan visitor Police Minister Anne Tolley and Defence Minister Dr Jonathan Coleman have a rare opportunity this week to gain first-hand knowledge about Indonesian police and military activities in West...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Minister Right to Give Fish & Game a Serve
    Reacting to Radio New Zealand’s report concerning allegations that Conservation Minister Nick Smith warned the Fish and Game Council that it acts like a 'rabid NGO', Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says:...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Government needs to get Fishing reform bill passed now
    The Maritime Union is urging the Government to push through a Bill reforming the fishing industry....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Ivory trade laws look set to tighten following petition
    A petition mounted by an Auckland schoolteacher has won the support of a powerful Select Committee and has moved the New Zealand closer towards a fully enforceable ivory trading ban....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Bilingual guide a demonstration of leadership
    “Waikato River Restoration: A Bilingual Guide” to the Waikato River that saw Tainui Waikato, Landcare Trust and the Waikato River Authority working together is a demonstration of rangatiratanga or leadership says Race Relations Commissioner...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga
    "It's great to have Georgie on board" said Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP. "She's strong-minded, stands up to be counted, and has fought for the rights of those who haven't had any - and won. That...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Sir Bob Harvey
    SUSAN Sir Bob Harvey was behind the transformation of Norm Kirk, and one of New Zealand's most popular Prime Ministers. He also advised Bill Rowling, David Lange and Helen Clark, the latter as Labour Party President. Wild Westie a new...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Rod Drury
    Xero boss Rod Drury told TVNZ’s Q+A programme what the political parties are offering at this election is ‘all too small.’ “There's no policy, all it is a bunch of incremental stuff. “All too small. What we want to do...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Gerry Brownlee
    Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee Rules Out Fastracking Auckland’s City Rail Loop Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee told TV1’s Q+A programme this morning that he won’t be bringing forward an Auckland City Rail loop based on new figures showing...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Owen interviews Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey
    Lisa Owen interviews Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey Headlines: Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey suggests “we can move on some” changes to welfare for New Zealanders in Australia New Zealanders “brothers and sisters” who make “a massive contribution”,...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Flavell and Harawira on The Nation
    Lisa Owen interviews Maori Party leader Te Ururoa Flavell and Mana leader Hone Harawira Headlines: Hone Harawira says realistically his Mana Party can take three Maori seats, Te Ururoa Flavell sticks to prediction that Maori Party will win all seven....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • The Nation 26,27 July: Flavell & Harawira, Joe Hockey
    On The Nation this weekend…. With the Maori seats primed to play a pivotal role this election, Torben Akel reports from the key battlegrounds and meets the top contenders. Then the Maori Party co-leader Te Ururoa Flavell and Mana Party...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Announcement of New Zealand First Candidate for Rangitīkei
    New Zealand First has endorsed Dr Romuald (‘Rom’) Rudzki as the candidate for the Rangitīkei Electorate in the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Labour Offer Len Brown a Hotel Tax
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming the Labour Party's plan to allow councils to levy new 'pillow taxes' and regional petrol taxes. Reacting to this afternoon’s NZ Herald report Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union ,...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Cell phone evidence a first
    Cell phone evidence a first Evidence gathered solely from a cell phone has been used for the first time to convict a Hastings man for possessing child sexual abuse pictures. Michael Lawrence Worsnop, a 29-year-old orchard worker pleaded guilty to...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • New Zealand Aid Worker Helping in Gaza
    A New Zealand Red Cross nurse working in Gaza says she has never experienced anything like the current conflict in her long aid work career....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Parking officers deserve safety at work
    The union representing the Auckland Transport parking officer severely beaten on July 17 says everyone has a right to go about their job without fear for their safety....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Caritas Aotearoa NZ to provide Gaza humanitarian aid
    Caritas Jerusalem is providing medical assistance, food and other necessities to the thousands of vulnerable people affected by the escalating conflict in Gaza, and Caritas Aotearoa New Zealand is contributing an initial $20,000 to support the humanitarian...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • ALCP challenges parties to support Charlotte’s Web
    The leader of the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party Julian Crawford is calling on all other political parties to state their position on using cannabis oil to treat pediatric epilepsy....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Oxfam accepts cheque from Pacific Corporation Foundation
    Oxfam New Zealand has accepted a cheque for almost $1000 today from the Pacific Corporation Foundation toward recovery efforts in the Solomon Islands, following April’s flash flooding that left thousands homeless....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Draft report and decision – Pūhoi to Warkworth proposal
    The Ara Tūhono – Pūhoi to Wellsford Road of National Significance: Pūhoi to Warkworth section Board of Inquiry has released its draft report and decision....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • New Zealanders willing to pay tax to protect dolphins
    A report released this week shows a large majority of New Zealanders want Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins protected and they are prepared to pay for it....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Stop Smart Meters
    “The Democrats for Social Credit Party (DSC) wholeheartedly endorses the Stop Smart Meters campaign for a moratorium on installations of smart meters until the technology is proven not be a risk to health, and until home owners are given a...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Maori Roll Electors Urged to Vote Strategically
    Voters enrolled in the seven Maori electorates must learn to maximize their influence by voting strategically, according to the Maori Party candidate for Te Tai Tokerau, Rev Te Hira Paenga....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Politicians Ignore Families’ Concerns on Street Prostitution
    Family First NZ says that politicians are ignoring the concerns of families, lack the will to take appropriate action, and are happy to drag the ongoing problem of street prostitution into the next parliamentary term....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Plunket celebrates Te Wiki o te Reo Māori
    Plunket is proud to celebrate Te Wiki o te Reo Māori (21-27 July), with Plunket people across the country among several thousand New Zealanders taking part and increasing their kete of knowledge in te reo....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Coleman must quit or be sacked over Dotcom case
    Immigration New Zealand has done the right thing in distancing itself from Jonathan Coleman’s claims that ministers were not aware of FBI involvement in Kim Dotcom’s residency application, says the Internet Party. Internet Party leader Laila Harré...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Auckland Councillors, Not Emperors
    25 JULY 2014 Responding to the NZ Herald report that Auckland Councillors have voted to keep their ratepayer-funded business class travel perks, and considered new rules that would have exempted councillors from Auckland City's parking charges, Taxpayers’...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Cunliffe Looks Dodgy Lunching with Sex Offender
    Conservative Party Leader Colin Craig says that David Cunliffe's social meeting with a known sex offender while on holiday "looks pretty dodgy."...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Taxpayers’ Union Back LGNZ Calls For Greater Transparency
    The Taxpayers’ Union is backing Local Government New Zealand’s calls for the Official Information Act to be extended to cover the Local Government Commission. Union Executive Director, Jordan Williams, says:...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Lecture series to provide insight into 2014 election
    Could National’s refusal to reform MMP lead to the defeat of the government? Is the media providing voters with the information they require to make an informed electoral decision? What directions might John Key’s leadership take if he secures...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • National Rally Against Factory Farming
    Animal advocates and members of the public all over New Zealand will unite for a ‘National Day of Action Against Factory Farming’ Saturday, tomorrow 26 July in response to two recent exposés that showed horrific conditions on pig factory farms....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Women in Politics Finds Support at Conference
    Women in Politics, a brand-new organisation for New Zealand women in political office, was met with overwhelming support at the 2014 Local Government New Zealand Conference held this weekend in Nelson....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
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