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Open mike 30/06/2013

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166 comments on “Open mike 30/06/2013”

  1. Morrissey 1

    Humbug Corner
    
No. 6: BARACK OBAMA

    President Obama has called Mandela a “personal hero” and said the imprisoned activist’s willingness to risk his life for the cause of equal rights helped inspire his own political activism.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/obama-paying-tribute-mandela-africa-19530636#.Uc6QFuD7JFQ

    “L’hypocrisie est un hommage que le vice rend à la vertu.”
    —-François de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Humbug Corner is dedicated to gathering, and highlighting, the most striking examples of faux solicitude, insincere apologies, and particularly stupid recycling of official canards. It is produced by the Insincerity Project®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
    More appalling humbug….
    No. 5 John Key: “Yeah well the Greens’ answer to everything is rail, isn’t it.”
    No. 4 Mike Bush: “Bruce Hutton’s… integrity beyond reproach…such great character…”
    
No. 3 Dean Lonergan: “Y’ know what? The only people who will mock them are people who are dwarfists.”

    No. 2 Peter Dunne: “What a load of drivel and sanctimonious humbug…”

    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-09062013/#comment-645811
    
No.1 Dominic Bowden: “It’s okay to be speechless.”
    
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-02062013/#comment-642288

    • Murray Olsen 1.1

      It does make me a little sicker than normal to see Obama attaching himself to Mandela. Obama barely manages to talk the talk, let alone walk the walk. The equal rights Obama seems most concerned about are the rights of GEC, Monsanto, and the other corporations. As far as humans go, an equal right to be spied on or whacked by a drone is not much of a right at all. Yuck.

      • Populuxe1 1.1.1

        But then again I’m assuming you’re not black. Methinks you might want to check your white privilege there.

        • Murray Olsen 1.1.1.1

          Do blacks love Obama and privileged whites dislike him? You are so informative. Thanks.

        • Morrissey 1.1.1.2

          But then again I’m assuming you’re not black. Methinks you might want to check your white privilege there.

          ???!!??

          He’s not malicious this time, simply bewildered.

          As usual.

  2. Morrissey 2

    As you read this item, bear in mind that Barack Obama is presently in Africa pretending to be a champion of democracy….

    California chalk protester hit with gag order
    RT, June 28, 2013 20:56

    A California man facing more than a decade in prison for writing with chalk on public sidewalks has been told he’s barred from discussing the details of his controversial case outside of court.

    Judge Howard Shore issued a gag-order in a San Diego, California courtroom this week against Jeff Olson, a 40-year-old activist that used washable children’s chalk to scribble anti-bank slogans in public space last year. According to the San Diego Reader, the gag-order issued on Friday also applies to witnesses, members of the jury and potentially others, a measure that Truth-Out editor Mark Karlin said is “unprecedented” for a misdemeanor trial.

    Olson has been charged with 13 misdemeanor counts of vandalism for chalking slogans such as “No Thanks, Big Banks” and “Shame on Bank of America” on the sidewalks outside of branches in the San Diego area throughout 2012. Now as the criminal trial against him wages on in Southern California, the defendant and anyone remotely involved in the case are reportedly muzzled by a ban that could…

    “I’m am not going out on a limb to say that this is outrageous,” quipped Olson.

    http://rt.com/usa/chalk-olson-diego-san-404/

    Comments from readers include these anonymous beauties….
    “The prosecutors should be hanged as traitors.”
    “You can talk vs. Blacks + poor in USA; but you can’t badmouth the rich.”

  3. Morrissey 3

    Humbug Corner
    
No. 7: BARACK OBAMA

    In Pretoria, Mr Obama said Mr Mandela’s example of “the power of principle, of people standing up for what’s right continues to shine as a beacon. The outpouring of love that we’ve seen in recent days shows that the triumph of Nelson Mandela and his nation speaks to something very deep in the human spirit; the yearning for justice and dignity that transcends boundaries of race and class and faith and country.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23109574

    “L’hypocrisie est un hommage que le vice rend à la vertu.”
    —-François de La Rochefoucauld

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Humbug Corner is dedicated to gathering, and highlighting, the most striking examples of faux solicitude, insincere apologies, and particularly stupid recycling of official canards. It is produced by the Insincerity Project®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

    More egregious humbug….
    No. 6 Barack Obama: “Nelson Mandela is my personal hero…”
    No. 5 John Key: “Yeah well the Greens’ answer to everything is rail, isn’t it.”
    No. 4 Mike Bush: “Bruce Hutton’s… integrity beyond reproach…such great character…”
    
No. 3 Dean Lonergan: “Y’ know what? The only people who will mock them are people who are dwarfists.”

    No. 2 Peter Dunne: “What a load of drivel and sanctimonious humbug…”

    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-09062013/#comment-645811
    
No.1 Dominic Bowden: “It’s okay to be speechless.”
    
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-02062013/#comment-642288

    • Populuxe1 3.1

      There is something quite gobsmacking about a white person pontificating about what one black man should think about another black man. I imagine Mandela has a far greater significance to someone like Obama who has experienced racism and oppression every day of his life, than he would to you, little angry white person.

      • felix 3.1.1

        Odd that you focus on the blackness of the two people in Morrissey’s comment, when that had nothing whatsoever to do with the point he’s making.

        Or is it not a black thing at all that you’re bringing up? Is it that we’re not allowed to question the sincerity of a politician’s platitudes if they’re about someone significant to that politician in any way?

        Cos I tells ya, there’s something gobsmacking about both those possibilities.

      • Morrissey 3.1.2

        There is something quite gobsmacking about a white person pontificating about what one black man should think about another black man.

        The only pontification on show here, other than your own, is the empty pontification, grandiose phraseology and monstrous insincerity of President Hopey Changey—gibbering on about “yearning for justice and dignity”, while pursuing America’s modern versions of Mandela with the zeal of a coon hound going after a fugitive slave in the swamps of Alabama.

        I imagine Mandela has a far greater significance to someone like Obama who has experienced racism and oppression every day of his life, than he would to you, little angry white person.

        If Mandela has “significance” to Obama, how come Obama shows absolutely none of Mandela’s moral and political courage?

  4. North 4

    What the hell is ShonKey Python up to ?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10893823

    A charter for abuse and dehumanisation ?

    PPP – private profit from punitivism (surprise surprise).

    Cheers ShonKey Python. Your Ceaucescu Club colleague David Cameron in Britain has tutored you well.

    • JK 4.1

      When there are not enough jobs for those who are fit and well, how on earth are the mentally ill expected to find a job for 30 hours a week, and be able to work at it for all those 30 hours.

      • leftriteleft 4.1.1

        All is fine. Even Judith Collins, JonKey, et al have a job. Pays well too. Thanks TAXPAYERS.

        • weka 4.1.1.1

          And now the private agencies who WINZ will pass their clients with mental health issues to, have jobs as well. Well done NACT.

          • rosy 4.1.1.1.1

            “And now the private agencies who WINZ will pass their clients with mental health issues to

            Clipping the ticket, money for nothing and all that.

            The private agencies also have the private records of mental health patients. Lawyers and the Human Rights Commission will surely have more jobs working out the privacy breaches. Extra well done NAct

            • Anne 4.1.1.1.1.1

              Who are these “private agencies”? This is horrific stuff. Creating an underclass who will be forced to live with the stigma of having been transferred to a privately run mental health work charter programme. That is a sure bet their names and a description of their condition will eventually end up in the public arena.

              Benny-basher Bennett has her footprints all over it of course. A “wrap around” service. Her favourite expression – doesn’t mean a thing.

              I wish someone would wrap her around and see how she likes it!

              Edit: I see rosy has already made the same points. No harm in re-stating them.

              • Treetop

                The conclusion I have come to about Bennett is, that if she did not get the help that she got from the state when she was struggling she would not be where she is today.

                Bennett’s mind set is that those who are mentally unwell benefit from working. A person can only do what they can manage and what they can manage needs to be instigated by them and to be productive.

                Further poverty (sanctions) and an increase in anxiety will occur when a person is forced by a policy which has unrealistic expectations.

        • AmaKiwi 4.1.1.2

          So Phil Goff, Trevor Mallard, and Annette King.

          If the party members ranked the list, they could end up 60, 61, and 62.

          The dead hand of the past versus LP democracy.

          • Murray Olsen 4.1.1.2.1

            How would they get so high? I think those three would be happier in National, not on the Labour list at all.

    • muzza 4.2

      And the band played on….

      These are very sick , dangerous people *in charge*. No its not John Key, in charge!

    • AsleepWhileWalking 4.3

      The Mad Doctor is hell bent on getting everyone better, or at least off welfare. Suicide = success!

      A recent article on the successful UK model which WINZ are now following:
      http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/atos-boss-earns-44k-a-week-while-disabled-fight-to-keep-just-131/

      • xtasy 4.3.1

        AsleepWhileWalking –

        The MAD doctor is coming to YOU!

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10893823

        “Mentally ill people will be moved off state-funded benefits and into work using private employment agencies who will earn hefty fees for the service.

        The Herald on Sunday has obtained leaked Ministry of Social Development documents detailing plans to get people suffering from depression, stress and anxiety disorders into paid work.

        Private providers are being lined up to deliver “wrap around” case management for sickness beneficiaries with common mental health conditions to help find jobs and co-ordinate clinical support so they stay in work.

        If successful, private providers could earn up to $12,000 for placing a client considered to have “entrenched” mental health issues in a job where they are working for 30 hours or more a week.”

        It seems the Herald on Sunday is onto something!

        So it seems that “mad doctor” David Bratt, Principal Health Advisor for MSD and Work and Income is finally getting his way, and that Paula Bennett and her underlings are going to push the agenda all the way now!

        As faithful “disciples” of the teachings of one Professor Mansel Aylward, former Chief Medical Officer of the Department for Work and Pensions in the UK (DWP), and later Unum Insurance sponsored boss of his own department at Cardiff University, pushing the agenda that most “common” mental and other health conditions are basically just not diagnosable and thus “in people’s minds”, they now seem to be trialling a plan to get this put into practice in little old New Zealand, the best real life laboratory already for social and economic “experinments” the developed world offers.

        http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2013/04/18/welfare-reform-the-hidden-agenda-by-mo-stewart/

        This is stuff to follow, I presume. “Work sets you free”, getting a whole new meaning, a presumably more “humane” one, right here in New Zealand!

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei

        • AsleepWhileWorking 4.3.1.1

          Mmmm….there are only a limited amount of employers offering jobs for envelope stuffers and none that I have seen over the past few years.

          Experienced Case Managers often stuff up benefit entitlements. The idea of lay people trying to manage beneficiaries with serious mental health issues is very concerning and is likely to lead to many more people going without their full and correct entitlement. The contractors may be experienced with mental health consumers but it’s a big jump from there to figuring the ins and outs of the Social Securities Act.

          Also disturbing is the amount of money – $12K! Holy heck. That’s enough for most people to boot their own grandma off welfare and into completely unsuitable work.

          • weka 4.3.1.1.1

            Not sure the contractors will be doing entitlements and beneficiary payments. Looks like they’re taking over WINZ’s job seeking functions, not the entitlement ones.

            “If successful, private providers could earn up to $12,000 for placing a client considered to have “entrenched” mental health issues in a job where they are working for 30 hours or more a week.”

            How long after the placement will the agency be paid? What happens if the client isn’t in the job a year later? Another $12,000?

            • xtasy 4.3.1.1.1.1

              weka – you are spot on. Queries I made prove, this has nothing to do with delivering extra health care in the way of psychological or other support, it is a new player being put into the agenda, to simply be commissioned to get those “sick” and supposedly “pseudo incapacitated” into work, nothing more or less!

              It is a scheme to have some outside providers, and you will be well advised to read up on websites of Te Pou, and The Wise Group, for instance, to know that it is supposed to put another “link” into a “network” of services, so they will give the clients the bit of “extra motivational push”.

              WINZ will pre-select, relying on the old network of “designated doctors”, and their internal “advisors” of the Bratt category, and then the short shift is onto a service, that will get paid rewards to get the buggers off the benefit and into “meaningful” employment, for hefty rewards, it seems.

              Talk about the UK model hitting the ground here, Mansel Aylward (the Unum paid facilitator, and google UNUM, for god’s sake and Black Triangle, same as ATOS Victims Group also, to get a balance) has done a proper job for Bennett, it is ALL on now, full power ahead, sick or disabled, two thirds are considered to be “illness believers”, short “malingerers”, none else. Face the bloody music, dear folks, the war on beneficiaries has just begun, in little corner of the world islands called Niu Zilliland.

        • mickysavage 4.3.1.2

          This has the fingerprints of Paula Bennett all over it.

          You can imagine the policy document used to make this proposal. Stripped of all the diplomatic language and public serviceesque it would have read something like this:

          “These lazy bludging *&^%s should get of their arse and toughen up and get real work. After all when I was a solo mum I pulled myself up by my shoestraps and look where I am today.”

          The paper of course will make no reference to Paula’s removal of assistance for solo mums seeking education so they can get meaningful work and also the fact she is one of the best paid beneficiaries of public largesse in the country.

          • AsleepWhileWorking 4.3.1.2.1

            Mental health consumers who also happen to be single parents will be hit particularly hard due to the wide variation of support available to them (eg grandparents taking pressure off, difficulty accessing a GP or second tier health service, no further support from non custodial parent etc, etc)

        • AsleepWhileWorking 4.3.1.3

          I just realised that Dr Bratt’s own comments may contradict this new strategy. He did say that it wasn’t just work improved health, specifically he said that meaningful work was needed and that some jobs could be demoralising.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-2C6qL4eAs

          I hope that the work they find is meaningful but given the UK example I think I’ll just sit back and watch those comments bite him in the arse.

          • xtasy 4.3.1.3.1

            AsleepWhileWalking –

            PLEASE, do not freak out, nor delude yourself. Dr Bratt did keep a relatively low profile while he was hired and employed under a Labour led government, but once the Nats took over, at least since 2010, he has been like “hell break loose”!

            He delivered all this, and there has been no denial, regret, repentance or any withdrawal AT ALL!

            http://www.gpcme.co.nz/pdf/GP%20CME/Friday/C1%201515%20Bratt-Hawker.pdf

            http://www.gpcme.co.nz/pdf/2012/Fri_DaVinci_1400_Bratt_Medical%20Certificates%20are%20Clinical%20Instruments%20too%20-%20June%202012.pdf

            http://accforum.org/forums/index.php?/topic/12615-dr-david-bratt/

            Have a close look and read, he has gone under the radar, even after others and I raised various issues and aspects here and elsewhere. MSD and WINZ totally SUPPORT the man, and they believe Mansel Aylward, the “mad UK professor, yes, they want to cull people off benefits, same as ACC has tried and is to a degree successful in culling off people off claimants lists.

            There will always be a few malingerers and cheats, but they carry it a hell of a lot further, to basically claim that up to two thirds of sick, disabled and injured just believe””or pretend in being ill or sick, while according to them there are NO physical symptoms or proof. So that means, they will declare a full war and hit out across the board, against you, me and many others, challenging them, prove you are too sick and cannot crawl to a job!

            Wake damned well up New Zealand, stop sleeping and day dreaming, this is the most hostile attack on sick, disabled and incapacitated in modern day NZ history!!!

        • Rose 4.3.1.4

          There’s a difference between being informed about what is going on and scaremongering. It seems that if you scaremonger, you are actually scaring beneficiaries more and not helping.

          Lighten up.

          • xtasy 4.3.1.4.1

            Rose, I cannot believe where you come from, you have no information that I and a fair few others have, it seems, this is very serious stuff here, you are irresponsible to comment as you have.

            I do not want to scare people, I am damned well having a duty to WARN them, so they will not fall into traps to be conned into saying, hey, I would try to work, but end up with a profit focused, outsourced provider, who gets paid by WINZ to get benes off the payroll!

            I bloody well know what I am talking about, and I have more info than you seem to have. This is bloody serious stuff, but in New Zealand the government always comes across cunning and pretending, once you are there to face the music, they offer you no back door, it will be all your fault to not keep up, and your benefit will be cut, unless you have a solid, supportive doctor or specialist support you.

            I have been through the bloody MILL twice, my dear, they are cunning and dishonest bastards, the ones that run MSD and certainly also that is the top dog, called Bennett!

      • Jackal 4.3.2

        Great article you’ve linked to there AsleepWhileWalking, although the government is more likely to simply be copying something a bit closer to home: the ACC model. Some people will have been forced off compensation before they’re properly rehabilitated and are now facing the prospect of being forced off the appropriate benefit as well. So much for New Zealand being egalitarian.

        • xtasy 4.3.2.1

          Is this coming from the Jackal, really?

          Well, compliments, the Jackal is seeing the light also, what is going on. It was in humble ways started under Labour, the last term under Helen, and I suppose the intentions were good, but they hired the bloody wrong man to lead it all, one damned extreme, bizarre and irrational Dr David Bratt.

          Yeah, thanks for seeing the light, Jackal, we are facing an onslaught, and as I am one suffering of serious health issues that they are also focusing on, it is to me a declaration of war. I already was years ago harassed and denied time and security to focus on needed treatment, leading to irreversible damage, now they simply ignore all warnings and want to push others through the same. The true agenda is COST SAVING, none else.

          Wake up to the damned music and the truth, that is what it is all about, not about support and assistance. They may as well agree the Nazis “assisted” those struggling to get social acceptance to (forced) labour, that in the end “set them free”, yeah right!

          • Populuxe1 4.3.2.1.1

            Given that the Naz1s were more about euthanising people with disabilities, I am not sure you want to be giving them ideas.

    • Draco T Bastard 4.4

      Just part of their plan to give our wealth to the rich few.

    • Rogue Trooper 4.5

      Exactly how I imagined that this agenda would play out; still, only a 1000 clients (guinea pigs per year). Target is only half of selected clients have to remain in employment; money for jams (just a mental-health statistic).
      Sabotage
      “I’m looking through a Hole in The Sky
      I’m seeing nowhere through the eyes of a lie

      I’ve watched the dogs of war enjoying the feast
      I’ve seen the western world go down in the east.
      The food of love become the greed of our time
      But now we’re living on the profits of crime.”

    • Murray Olsen 4.6

      This is just more troughfare for the scum who will set up the private services. It’s sick, sick stuff and probably violates any number of UN conventions we’ve signed up to. Do they want sick people to kill themselves? Silly question, of course. Sick sadists like WhaleSpew are loved by them.

  5. North 5

    Here, from Britain, the Artist Taxi Driver’s take on the Ceaucescu Club.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXlKqPEBcI

  6. North 6

    Morrissey…….you gotta give it to Schmooz Obama. He’s good…….

    In Pretoria, Nelson Mandela a “beacon” says The Big O. “My personal hero” says he.

    Chur Bro’. Mine too.

    Oh hang on……..The Schmooz a few months back…….Maggot Thatcher a beacon for freedom and light.

    What ??? The fetid sociopath Thatcher who denounced Nelson Mandela as a terrorist ?

    Faaarrk ! How does he do it ?

    • Populuxe1 6.1

      Some people really can’t handle the fact that it was largely Thatcher’s political will that kept Hong Kong democratic even after the handover

      • Pascal's bookie 6.1.1

        That’s a weird thing to say.

        What’s it got to do with S.A for starters?

        And you make it sound like Hong Kong had a functioning democracy for decades under the British or something. Rather than giving them a wee taste, (but not too much), a few years before the handover.

        But if you think that Thatcher’s efforts, such as they were, in Hong Kong trump her attitudes towards S.A., or South America, or the the fall of the Berlin wall even, then good for you I guess.

        • Populuxe1 6.1.1.1

          It was an observation on what may have justified such a statement on Obama’s part – nothing more than that. Unbunch your panties, you’ll live longer. And as for Hong Kong’s wee taste, it certainly seems to have been enough of a taste for Snowden.

          • Pascal's bookie 6.1.1.1.1

            Except you didn’t mention Obama at all. Speak for him do you?

            Your comment seemed to be expressing your opinion, not some opinion Obama might have.

            When asked to justify it, you move on to the attack, and claim that you were just imagining what Obama might reckon. What an arse you are.

            And I thought it was your position that Snowden went to Hong Kong because treason or some such mind reading bullshit.

            But of course, you can’t defend your claim that Thatcher ‘kept Hong Kong democratic even after the handover’ so you try and introduce some other bullshit as a distraction.

            • Populuxe1 6.1.1.1.1.1

              “Except you didn’t mention Obama at all. Speak for him do you?”

              I would have thought that was perfectly self fucking evident to anyone capable of following a thread that it was in reference to North. Of course now that I know you have below average adult reading comprehension, in future I will spoon feed you.

              “Your comment seemed to be expressing your opinion, not some opinion Obama might have.”

              North was presumably speaking in reference to Obama’s statement: “She knew that with strength and resolve we could win the Cold War and extend freedom’s promise.”
              http://uk.news.yahoo.com/obama-thatcher-america-lost-true-friend-150124594.html#0514ggU
              I was offering another example

              “When asked to justify it, you move on to the attack, and claim that you were just imagining what Obama might reckon. What an arse you are.”

              Scroll down the thread, my justification is there. If I’m an arse then you are illustrating perfectly a certain proverb involving a pot and a kettle that is probably racially insensitive in this context.

              “And I thought it was your position that Snowden went to Hong Kong because treason or some such mind reading bullshit.”

              It’s called sarcasm

              “But of course, you can’t defend your claim that Thatcher ‘kept Hong Kong democratic even after the handover’ so you try and introduce some other bullshit as a distraction.”

              Ah, but I can, if you bother to scroll down the thread.

              • Pascal's bookie

                It’s not self evident at all Pop, hence the need for all this explanation, which seems to make you rather angry. For some reason.

                People were talking about South Aftrica, and Thatcher’s thoughts about that in the 80’s. You piped in saying that

                “Some people really can’t handle the fact that it was largely Thatcher’s political will that kept Hong Kong democratic even after the handover”

                It isn’t self-evident what that means at all. It’s just another of your typically snide attacks.

                I took it mean that you think Thatcher was a hero for democracy and liberty because whatever it is you think she did re Hong Kong trumps what she thought and did elsewhere around the world.

                • Populuxe1

                  “It’s not self evident at all Pop, hence the need for all this explanation, which seems to make you rather angry. For some reason.”

                  Not self evident to you, and there was nothing aggressive in the first comment – does it occur to you that your endless focussed and rather pointless attacks are likely to provoke such a response? Or are you a sociopath?

                  “People were talking about South Aftrica, and Thatcher’s thoughts about that in the 80′s. You piped in saying that

                  “Some people really can’t handle the fact that it was largely Thatcher’s political will that kept Hong Kong democratic even after the handover”

                  It isn’t self-evident what that means at all. It’s just another of your typically snide attacks.”

                  Ok, I did promise I would spoon feed you so here goes –
                  North: “Oh hang on……..The Schmooz a few months back…….Maggot Thatcher a beacon for freedom and light.”

                  Now I trust that you do realise that this is the internet and I am perfectly at liberty to comment on whatever part of someone’s statement I choose – I really didn’t expect you to fly in on your broomstick of righteous indignation and deraill the thread entirely.

                  “I took it mean that you think Thatcher was a hero for democracy and liberty because whatever it is you think she did re Hong Kong trumps what she thought and did elsewhere around the world.”

                  Which I did not say – I provided a possible justification for the statemen and passed no more judgment upon it than that, however like all historical personages Thatcher’s career isn’t all black and white, and it is quite possible to interpret some of her acts in a more positive light. Especially as some of you have an unusually specific form of amnesia when it comes to anything involving the Cold War, the PRC or Central and South America.

                  • Pascal's bookie

                    I took it that you disagreeing with North. that you were saying that Thtacher was a beacon for freedom and light because of her actions in Hong Kong.

                    For that to be the case, it would have to outweigh her actions and beliefs in other areas. as you say, it isn[t all black and white, People have to make judgements based on the totality. But at the end of the day a judgement can still be made.

                    Yuo dragged in HK as if to say that it was a thing that people had to ignore in order to reach the conclusion she was not a beacon for freedom and light.

                    And passive aggression, is still aggression.

                    If you don;t want people to respond badly to you try not to write things like :

                    “Some people really can’t handle the fact that it was largely Thatcher’s political will that kept Hong Kong democratic even after the handover”

                    That’s apassive aggression is spades. Just because people don;t mention Thatcher’s HK record, (such as it is) doesn’t mean they haven’t factored it in to their judgement, If you think it balances out everything else she did, make that argument.

              • Pascal's bookie

                And on the ‘sarcasm’ thing.

                Are you saying that Hong Kong doesn’t have much in the way of democracy then? What is your point exactly?

                You always resort to sarcasm and ad hom attacks (see above, or pretty much any other discussion we’ve had) in place of actually explaining yourself.

                It’s quite revealing.

                • Populuxe1

                  You don’t discuss, you badger, and then shriek with glee should I make an error – that sort of behaviour is guaranteed to piss me off and get the response you described.

                  • Pascal's bookie

                    I usually just ask for clarification of what you mean.

                    You usually respond in the way people can see in this thread. With sarcasm and abuse.

              • felix

                “North was presumably speaking in reference to Obama’s statement: “She knew that with strength and resolve we could win the Cold War and extend freedom’s promise.” [link to article]“

                What’s that old saying about presumption? Making a cunt of yourself and no-one else or some such.

                You don’t suppose it’s more likely North was referring to this quote from Obama, do you?

                “With the passing of Baroness Margaret Thatcher, the world has lost one of the great champions of freedom and liberty”

                … which contains a phrase very close to what North attributed to him, unlike the one you picked, from further down the same article, which bears no relation at all.

      • karol 6.1.2

        Stuff I’ve read indicate Thatcher’s heart wasn’t as much in the Hong Kong negotiations as they were in war mongering over the Falklands. And many think she c=got done over by the Chinese leaders.

        How Mrs Thatcher lost Hong Kong

        Graceless and reluctant Thatcher stumbling her way through Hong Kong negotiations.

        • Populuxe1 6.1.2.1

          Which would be to ignore the sterling efforts of the last governor of Hong Kong, Chris Patten, as Thatcher’s representative, in securing those vital agreements with Beijing, backed by Thatcher’s hard-nosed reputation, relationship with the US, and four state visits to China at the highest levels – it didn’t appear half-hearted to me. The reality was the British were always going to lose Hong Kong because, quelle surprise, the lease was up.

          Also, what you call “war mongering” was the legitimate defense of British citizens against an illegal and unprevoked invasion.

          Yes, much of what she did in the UK was horrific, but at least try to retain some objectivity.

          • Pascal's bookie 6.1.2.1.1

            Patten was appointed in 92. Thatcher left office in 90.

            Thatcher’s meetings with China were to try and renegotiate the lease, and she wanted to not give up various areas.

            Her agreement around one countryu two systems was about Hong Kong retaining capitalism, not democracy, which HK had none of under Thatcher.

            • Populuxe1 6.1.2.1.1.1

              Thatcher’s successor was John Major, annointed by her and something of a puppet for her – or at least was expected to be so. He might as well have not even been there, but I suppose I shouldn’t have elided them.
              http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/major-has-every-right-to-shop-lady-thatcher-1112948.html

              There are multiple reasons why Thatcher wanted to renegotiate the lease – they are not mutually exclusive.

              Hong Kong’s constitution was approved in 1990, but well before that, following the historic meeting in 1979 between Deng Xiaoping and then governor Murray MacLehose, a Green paper on development of representative government was issued by the colonial government in July 1984. It included proposals aimed at developing a system of more localised government, which included the introduction of indirect elections to the Legco the following year. The government proposed 12 legislators elected by nine trade-based seats, or ‘functional bodies’ – commercial, industrial, financial, labour, social services, education, legal, medical and engineering – the following year. Martin Lee and Szeto Wah were among those elected in 1985. Considerably more democratic that the PRC, no? There is a reason why Hong Kong wanted autonomy from the PRC, yes?

              • Pascal's bookie

                Yes, but it’s along way away from :

                “Some people really can’t handle the fact that it was largely Thatcher’s political will that kept Hong Kong democratic even after the handover”

                which implies that Hong Kong had a tradition of democracy under the UK to protect.

                Also worth noting that the 90’s reform process didn’t go anywhere near as far as local democratic activists would have liked. Patten wasn’t as gung-ho at the time as later articles paint it. The indicative referenda around whther or not people wanted democractic representation, were controversial in how they were treated, to say the least.

                And this:

                Thatcher’s successor was John Major, annointed by her and something of a puppet for her – or at least was expected to be so. He might as well have not even been there, but I suppose I shouldn’t have elided them.

                Jesus wept man. Show some pride.

                • Populuxe1

                  Or had a democratic tradition compared to the PRC, which had begun to evolve and grow from 1984 onwards.

                  • Pascal's bookie

                    “kept Hong Kong democratic”

                    • Populuxe1

                      God, even I’m bored now. I would have thought that it was patently obvious to most people that there are degrees of democracy and that Hong Kong is more democratic than PRC, or are you just going to go on and on like a broken record because you don’t have anything better in your life to be getting on with?

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      laugh.

      • Morrissey 6.1.3

        Our good friend Populuxe1, has for the last few days been notable by his absence. Fans of the truly crazed will, like me, have been jonesing for more of our friend’s dependably daft yet always amusing ouput; the wait has just been killing this writer, i.e. moi.

        And now, this gem suddenly appears under our friend’s aegis…..

        …it was largely Thatcher’s political will that kept Hong Kong democratic even after the handover…

        That’s Margaret Thatcher, not Tom Sawyer’s girlfriend Becky, that he’s holding up as a champion of democracy there! Yes, that’s right—MARGARET THATCHER, the friend and mentor and protector and advocate of (to name just a few off the top of my head) Pinochet, Saddam, Suharto, Reagan, Begin, Peres, Pol Pot and Osama Bin Laden himself! This monster of hypocrisy, this darling of dictators, this mortal enemy of protestors, unionists and human rights activists all over the world has been reborn in the fertile brain of Populuxe1 as another Nelson Mandela or Aung San Suu Kyi or Hugo Chávez.

        Here it is again, fellas, in all it’s glory…

        * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
        …it was largely Thatcher’s political will that kept Hong Kong democratic…

        * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

        Gotta say that, even for Populuxe1, this is one for the ages. It was worth the wait!

        • Populuxe1 6.1.3.1

          What is it with you pathetic people that you must leap on a simple, objective statement, and twist and pervert it into something else? I never said Thatcher wasn’t a nasty piece of work who brought untold suffering to the people of Britain, I said that she was quite significant in events in Hong Kong in 1997 and after regarding Hong Kong’s relative independance from the PRC. Possibly the fact that the two things aren’t neccisarily mutually exclusive is too much for your stunted intellect and Owen Glenn levels of self regard, but it is by no means a particularly fringe view. Specifically I refer you to Thatcher’s first September 1982 visit to meet with Deng Xiaoping on the matter. Throughout their meeting, she sought the PRC’s agreement to a continued British presence in the territory. Deng stated clearly the PRC’s sovereignty on Hong Kong was non-negotiable, but he was willing to settle the sovereignty issue with Britain through formal negotiations, and both governments promised to maintain Hong Kong’s stability and prosperity. You should read Michael B. Yahuda’s Hong Kong: China’s Challenge. (London: Routledge, 1996) – even you should be able to follow it.

          • Pascal's bookie 6.1.3.1.1

            “Some people really can’t handle the fact that it was largely Thatcher’s political will that kept Hong Kong democratic even after the handover”

            Maybe you should phrrase your ‘simple objective statements ‘in ways that aren’t so arrogantly aggressive? Maybe try, simple and objective as guidlines?

            • Populuxe1 6.1.3.1.1.1

              You have a nerve to accuse me of being “arrogantly aggressive”, which is a subjective interpretation more honoured in spirit than in the breach around here. Spare me your sanctimonious hypocrisy. If you disagree with me then disagree, don’t latch on like a dog with a bone with your ad hominems and your oxygen-wasting attacks on the fripperies of style.

              • Pascal's bookie

                Not really.

                I don’t think I’ve seen you add much here at all beyond arrogant snide bullshit personal attacks on people.

                I, on the other hand, regularly season my arrogant takedowns of folk like you with stimulating links to pieces of general interest. Also and too, jokes.

  7. chris73 7

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10893846

    I can understand the family grieving but when the police tell you to stop and when you then shoot at the police theres only going to be one likely outcome

    I feel for the cop whos going to have to carry the burden of taking someones life

    • Te Reo Putake 7.1

      “I feel for the cop whos going to have to carry the burden of taking someones life”

      Well, at least he didn’t have to look him in the eye before executing him.

      • chris73 7.1.1

        Seriously? Its dark, the crim was told to surrender, the crim shot at the cop, the cop fired back and you call it an execution…

        • Morrissey 7.1.1.1

          Seriously? Its dark, the crim was told to surrender, the crim shot at the cop, the cop fired back and you call it an execution…

          I think he was serious. Unlike you, you complacent fool.

          • chris73 7.1.1.1.1

            I realise that the left have a problem with accepting the consequences of ones actions but I’ll make it real simple for you.

            The crim chose to carry a firearm, the crim chose to break into the golf club, the crim chose to ignore the polices warnings and the crim chose to shoot at the police

            The policeman gave the crim fair warning, chose to use the taser and fired after the crim fired first, the blame for this is squarely on the crim and he paid the for his actions

            Unfortunately the cop is the one thats going to suffer the consequences

            • Te Reo Putake 7.1.1.1.1.1

              Yep, I’m certainly hoping the cop suffers the consequences, but the history of previous killer cops in Taranaki and elsewhere suggests otherwise. Two shots in the back. What a hero.

              • chris73

                Its dark so we don’t know how well the cop could see the crim, whether the crim was reloading etc etc

                What we do know is that the cop fired in self-defence (you know after the crim fired at him) also if the crim hadn’t been committing a crime, hadn’t had a firearm, had stopped when the cops told him to or not fired at the police he’d be alive today

                But no call the cop carrying out his duty a killer…nice one

                • Te Reo Putake

                  I have no problem with the police acting in self defence, or in the defence of others. Two shots in the back suggests that is not the case here.

                  • chris73

                    “Two shots in the back suggests that is not the case here.”
                    – Why?

                    We know the crim fired at the police and:

                    The crim could have still been armed
                    The crim could have been reloading
                    The crim could have surrendered

                    instead the crim chose to shoot at the police and the police fired back

                    • felix

                      According to the article you linked to he had already been tasered and was on his knees.

                    • weka

                      No, according to the article a friend said he was on his knees.

                      And according to the article, someone close to the police said he’d already been tasered and that the taser wasn’t working – implication is that despite being tasered, he was still a threat.

                      We don’t know if either of those things are true. The article is one long speculation, as is most of this discussion.

                      btw, just because someone with a shotgun is on their knees, it doesn’t mean they’re not capable of shooting someone else. It may be just as you say felix, but that you can’t consider another explanation is irrational.

                    • felix

                      “implication is that despite being tasered, he was still a threat.”

                      That’s not an implication, weka, it’s an inference on your part. And it’s an inference which relies heavily on a couple of dubious assumptions about the NZ Police.

                      The key word is “after”.

                      You can give these “close to police sources” (lolz) all the benefit of the doubt you like, but I’ve read enough of these reports to know better.

                    • weka

                      you mean this ‘after’?

                      Police say Adam Te Rata Charles Morehu, 33, was first Tasered, then shot twice in the torso with a police-issue Glock handgun after he acted aggressively towards the officers, twice threatening to kill them and firing a shot from a rifle.

                      For what it is worth, I would tend to believe the family’s sources over the vague police ones, but my point was really that the article was full of hearsay and speculation so why debate as if it were fact?

                      “You can give these “close to police sources” (lolz) all the benefit of the doubt you like, but I’ve read enough of these reports to know better.”

                      Ok, so you have a preformed judgement irrespective of the facts. Just don’t pretend you are any better than chris (apart from the politics of course).

                    • felix

                      “Ok, so you have a preformed judgement irrespective of the facts.”

                      Bullshit weka. I’m just not going to play your silly game of pretending we have to look at this event in total isolation, devoid of any context, history, or long-established patterns of behaviour.

                      I’m not under any obligation to give equal weight to every statement, every opinion, every piece of information I encounter. That’s not having a preformed judgement, it’s having a functioning mind.

                      “Just don’t pretend you are any better than chris (apart from the politics of course).”

                      Nonsense, I’m considerably better than chris in every conceivable way.

                  • weka

                    Right, so the policeman should have waited until the man turned around and then shot him in the front, even though that puts the policeman’s life at risk?

                    Given we have no idea what happened, I do tend to agree that someone who shoots at the police can expect the possibility of being shot and killed. It’s not right or good, but it’s reasonable.

                    “What a hero.”

                    Why should the police be expected to be heroes?

                    • chris73

                      “Right, so the policeman should have waited until the man turned around and then shot him in the front, even though that puts the policeman’s life at risk?”

                      – Yes thats what should have happened because this situation is just like a hollywood movie where the cop would have then shot him in the hand to make him drop his weapon , at least thats what some of the posters on here are thinking

                • BM

                  You have to laugh at these sad old Che Guevara wannabes trying to act all bad ass and revolutionary.
                  At their age, It’s just sad and pathetic.

                • felix

                  chris, not only are you a nasty piece of work, you’re also naive as all fuck.

                  The guy was on his knees, being tasered, and was shot twice in the back.

                  That’s an execution. And yeah you’re right, they likely executed him because he fired at them first. They do tend to take that personally. It’s an unwritten code that no-one shoots at the NZ Police and lives.

                  But drop the bullshit about “self defence” and “duty”. It’s revenge, plain and simple.

                  • chris73

                    “chris, not only are you a nasty piece of work, you’re also naive as all fuck.”
                    – and you are as played as easily as a puppet on a string

                    “The guy was on his knees, being tasered, and was shot twice in the back”
                    – Lets have some evidence on that please

                    • felix

                      Lets have some evidence on that please

                      You linked to the article, dick.

                      played as easily as a puppet on a string

                      Says the guy who believes everything the police say because they always tell the truth.

                  • weka

                    “The guy was on his knees, being tasered, and was shot twice in the back.”

                    With all due respect, none of us know what exactly happened. The crucial bit is whether the police were in danger. We can’t tell that from the report. Maybe they weren’t and the shooting was completely illegitimate. Or maybe not.

                    Morehu and Kevin Bishell were reportedly trying to flee the burglary on Morehu’s motorbike…

                    Police say Adam Te Rata Charles Morehu, 33, was first Tasered, then shot twice in the torso with a police-issue Glock handgun after he acted aggressively towards the officers, twice threatening to kill them and firing a shot from a rifle.

                    But they have refused to confirm to the Herald on Sunday that he was shot in the back, saying only that the officer believed he heard Morehu reloading his rifle in the darkness….

                    Another source, close to police, said: “The Taser wasn’t working properly. It just made him angry and he said he was going to shoot the police. He had already fired a shot.

                    “An officer tried to move around to flank him and it is quite possible that he was shot in the back.”…

                    A friend claimed Morehu was on his knees at the time…

                    “If individuals decide to make comments it does not change the fact that it is inappropriate for police to discuss details publicly until the investigation is complete and the findings have been tested by peer legal review, the Independent Police Complaints Authority and the coroner.”

                    It is understood that police have been candid with the family about the circumstances of Morehu’s death, though their account changed as more facts have emerged.

                    Diane Richardson said he was Tasered as many as four times, before and after he was shot, before a blow to the head with a police torch. The blow left a head wound visible to mourners at his tangi….

                    “It is important to us as a whanau that we, our friends and the community of Waitara, receive, listen and absorb these facts in understanding this tragedy,” said whanau spokesman John Niwa.

                    “Our conclusions and what we do about it are a long way off.”

                    • felix

                      “With all due respect, none of us know what exactly happened.”

                      chris is quoting one version of events as fact so I thought I’d quote another.

                      Both versions are from the article he linked to, so he can’t have a problem with me doing that.

                    • weka

                      Ok, so you’re not interested in the reality of someone who just got shot, or their family, or the police involved, you just want to score points in a useless debate. Good to know, thanks for clarifying.

                    • felix

                      Sorry, I didn’t realise that the relationship between law enforcement and the citizenry was such a useless debate.

                      I’ll let you get back to your useless posturing now.

                    • weka

                      Well felix, by your own words you just said that you are arguing with chris because he’s making out the Herald is gospel so you will too. How useful is that in the debate? You can’t have it both ways – either you are taunting chris for stating hearsay as fact, or you yourself believe that treating hearsay as fact is valid. Can’t do both (or you can and thus be a hypocrite).

                      Maybe there is some clever tactic here that is too subtle for me (which means it’s way to subtle for chris), but all I can see is that you are having a go at chris because you think him and his politics are a tosser. Or, which is what I first thought, you assume the police are evil and therefore chris is an arse for what he said.

                      “Sorry, I didn’t realise that the relationship between law enforcement and the citizenry was such a useless debate.”

                      It’s an important debate. I’m just not sure how you think you are contributing to it.

                      Also important is how the media report stories. I don’t think the Herald did a very good job on this one.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      All this discussion proves is that police need to have cameras on them at all times as part of their uniform. Ones that they can’t manipulate and, if possible, stream live to several backup servers. With today’s technology it’s easily done.

                    • weka

                      good idea. apart from the civil rights issues.

                    • Arfamo

                      I dunno. One good reason not to do a burglary with a loaded gun is you might end up getting shot dead by someone else with a loaded gun. This seems to be what happened. The best start of any argument about what shouldn’t have happened is probably the decision to do a burglary.

                    • felix

                      all I can see is that you are having a go at chris because you think him and his politics are a tosser.

                      I’m sorry that’s all you can see, weka. Your problem though.

                  • Murray Olsen

                    The existence of such an unwritten code certainly fits in with my experience and prejudices. Revenge, and even the spreading of fear, seem to play a huge part in the motivations of many police officers. We’ll never really know what happened, except for those who slavishly believe everything the boys in blue say, and those who self righteously portray every act as police brutality, barbarism, and murder. We need some method of holding them accountable. With the power to take life legally must come an extremely high level of accountability. What we have now is a joke.

              • Morrissey

                Two shots in the back. What a hero.

                If this cowardly shooting lands him in court, Dirty Harry from Taranaki will no doubt get a glowing character testimonial from Deputy Police Commissioner Mike Bush…..
                http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-18062013/#comment-650248

            • Morrissey 7.1.1.1.1.2

              I realise that the left have a problem…

              You realise nothing, you fool. You read nothing, and know nothing.

              Is your name….Leighton Smith?

              • chris73

                Ok so educate me on what happened oh wise and all-knowing purveyor of truth and enlightenment

                Let me guess, you think Bains innocent and deserves compenation?

                • Morrissey

                  Let me guess, you think Bains innocent and deserves compensation?

                  No, fool, I do not. You are simply incapable of construing intelligently from what I have written in the past. Nothing I have ever written would suggest I support Bain.

                  • chris73

                    You are simply incapable of construing intelligently from what I have written in the past

                    – Ever consider that, maybe, what you write is particularly intelligent?

                    Nothing I have ever written would suggest I support Bain.

                    – My bad, its just that I don’t follow what you write (see above)

                • fender

                  Your sick Judith Collins fantasy has clouded your thinking soldier.

                  • chris73

                    My fantasies towards Judith Collins aside, tell me how my thinking (on this matter as we don’t have all day) is clouded

                    • fender

                      You said: “Let me guess, you think Bains innocent and deserves compensation?”

                      I’m suggesting your Collins fetish determines your stance, and it’s sick.

            • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1.1.1.3

              The policeman gave the crim fair warning…

              The real problem is that the police have a strange notion of “Reasonable force” and because of that and the fact that they keep getting away with obvious crimes of violence means that no-one trusts them. I certainly don’t.

  8. Sosoo 8

    So the Rolling Stones are headlining Glastonbury… over 35 years since they last released a half decent record.

    This is like having Bing Crosby headline Woodstock.

  9. Morrissey 9

    Rabuka on National Radio
    National Radio, Sunday 30 June 2013

    Listening right now (11:34 a.m.) to Chris Laidlaw interviewing that reptile Sitiveni Rabuka. It’s unusual to hear Chris so clearly hostile to an interviewee; he obviously despises Rabuka.

    It reminded me of the famous occasion in 2006 when Eva Radich pursued another politician who hated democracy: Tony Blair.

    Rabuka is incapable of giving a straight or honest answer; he’s a South Seas version of Tony Blair.

    • Murray Olsen 9.1

      I think Rabuka is more honest, civilised, and democratic than Tony Blair. For a start, Rabuka was a soldier, not someone pretending to be a democratic “socialist saviour”. One more point is that he is an indigenous Fijian, and was fighting for some distorted view of indigenous rights. To equal Blair here, he would have had to be an Indian unionist pro-democracy campaigner and still do the things he did.

      Blair lowered standards and defined slipperiness to a level not beaten until Obama turned up, and if British military and economic power hadn’t decayed so much, Obama would probably only equal him.

      • Morrissey 9.1.1

        I think Rabuka is more honest, civilised, and democratic than Tony Blair.

        That is damning Rabuka with faint praise, as I’m sure you are aware, Murray. Yes, Blair has a body count that puts Rabuka, Speight and Bainimarama to shame, and he is despicable, but that doesn’t make those Fijian thugs any more acceptable, I am afraid.

        • Murray Olsen 9.1.1.1

          Oh, I found Rabuka totally unacceptable at the time and nothing has happened to change my mind. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear. It’s just that I reserve a special level of hell for treacherous dogs like Blair, Douglas, Prebble, and Obama.

  10. Te Reo Putake 10

    Don’t know if business goobermensch ‘yes’ is around today, but he won’t like this:

    http://union-news.co.uk/2013/06/union-wins-landmark-case-after-company-refuses-to-allow-worker-to-be-represented-at-disciplinary/

  11. Morrissey 11

    Humbug Corner
    
No. 8: “SIR” OWEN GLENN

    Millionaire businessshit Sir Owen Glenn’s inquiry into domestic violence and child abuse is under further pressure with revelations he was accused of physically abusing a young woman in Hawaii in 2002.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/sir-owen-glenn-defends-decision-not-reveal-abuse-claim-5481044

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Humbug Corner is dedicated to gathering, and highlighting, the most striking examples of faux solicitude, insincere apologies, and particularly stupid recycling of official canards. It is produced by the Insincerity Project®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

    More egregious humbug….
    No. 7 Barack Obama: “…people standing up for what’s right…yearning for justice and dignity…”
    No. 6 Barack Obama: “Nelson Mandela is my personal hero…”
    No. 5 John Key: “Yeah well the Greens’ answer to everything is rail, isn’t it.”
    No. 4 Mike Bush: “Bruce Hutton’s… integrity beyond reproach…such great character…”
    
No. 3 Dean Lonergan: “Y’ know what? The only people who will mock them are people who are dwarfists.”

    No. 2 Peter Dunne: “What a load of drivel and sanctimonious humbug…”

    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-09062013/#comment-645811
    
No.1 Dominic Bowden: “It’s okay to be speechless.”
    
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-02062013/#comment-642288

    • muzza 11.1

      Mozza, Owen Glenn has a past which is *underwraps*, a key component of the *Sir* title, is part of the *underwraps*.

      The article you link to, is a very brief insight to him, and the forces, which control him. His history is *known*, and at a time, and with a purpose, it is used against him, or the investigation, to be more precise, wonder what the significance of the timing is…

      The calling card of the puppet masters, is to take down the target, using something which is supposed to represent a positive aspect of the individual.

      Note:

      – Glenn *instigates/sponsors* an inquirey into abuse.

      – Glenn has a past, which is used against him, by way of *abuse charges*

      See how its done, its an occurance, which is as frequent, as it is transparent!

      There are powers, which do not want this investigation to serve a positive function that much was always apparant. Its why Owen Glenn was given the go ahead to sponsor it, because they already knew he could be discredited, anytime!

  12. Colonial Viper 12

    Glen Greenwald – Presentation At Hampshire College

    Massively important presentation by Glen Greenwald. This will change the way you look at what is happening both internationally and locally.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edOYR79pL-w

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      PS this is a different presentation to the one I linked to last night.

      • Rogue Trooper 12.1.1

        do you think some of us have all day to sit around in front of a monitor? hmm? hmm? ;)
        (although, it is fortuitous to have secured a three-day a week position with all the tools at one’s disposal) Nudge nudge, wink wink. ;)

        • fender 12.1.1.1

          Just plug it into the stereo and listen, as I did while doing some chores. Was an excellent presentation, thanks for the link CV.

          • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1.1

            Always welcome. The more we learn, the more powerful we are. That’s why they prefer to keep the masses dumb and distracted.

            • Jim Nald 12.1.1.1.1.1

              Running a cable from the laptop to the amplifier and then streaming video/audio files while cooking or doing chores is a good way to get educated with these pieces :-)

              • lprent

                Look at dlna/upnp. I use minidlna on my Linux server and pick it up on the bluray attached to the tv (used to use an amp – but it had no visual listings), my tablet usually with headphones on, my phone, and amarok on my workstation. I can also pick it up at work via ssh.

                Skifta on the nexus7 kind of acts as the universal remote. Select something off the server like a playlist or a movie, and then tell it what to play out off.

                I have a pile of laminated plastic in the cupboard gathering dust. Kind of a waste of time transcribing from those DVDs and peanut sized CDs when they arrive.

  13. chris73 13

    You said: “Let me guess, you think Bains innocent and deserves compensation?”

    I’m suggesting your Collins fetish determines your stance, and it’s sick.

    – I thought Bain was guilty long before Judith Collins came on the scene, its just coincidence we both appear to have the same views

    • fender 13.1

      To continue the thread you just click on the lowest reply button.

      Yes as you say it’s just coincidental your views always align with those of the authoritarian Collins, the same Collins you want to have perform dominatrix acts on you.

      • chris73 13.1.1

        the same Collins you want to have perform dominatrix acts on you.

        – that made me chuckle

        • fender 13.1.1.1

          The day you said you wanted Collins to whip you made me chuckle too, but that was quickly followed by an urge to chuck-up!

          • chris73 13.1.1.1.1

            I may not have been speaking figuratively…

            • fender 13.1.1.1.1.1

              With your wife looking over your shoulder that’s probably the best response.

              Personally I have no respect for Collins as either a lawyer, politician or sex-symbol. But I’m sure Adolf would have welcomed her onto his side.

              • Rogue Trooper

                wottabout all those DueDiff ‘concerns’ (34) that the Collinic one sent to Robert Fisher, QC?

            • Murray Olsen 13.1.1.1.1.2

              I for one assumed that you weren’t speaking figuratively. Thanks for confirming it.

  14. Tim 14

    And now for the “Big Con” (another one).
    Wellington Electricity is trying to butter up ‘consumers’ for the possibility of a power price increase – because of damage caused by recent storms.
    They apparently spent up to $5m fixing problems.
    They really must be running their operation on a shoestring if $5m damage can cause such devastation to their ‘bottom line’ that they think they now have to go ‘groveling’ (NOT) to what will probably be compliant authorities.

    No no no.
    Admitedly WE, since its acquisition has invested in lamp post replacement, and various other improvements to improve the reliability of “THEIR” network.
    That’s only because it had been left to run down since privatisation because of deferred maintenance and quick-fix mickey mouse solutions by previous owners.
    What that tells us is that they’ve either not adequately considered their risks (they need to find another shaista ‘risk management’ consultant maybe), OR they paid too much for a dog in the first place, and now they want consumers to pay for it so they can keep getting their ‘adequate return on investment’.

    Now …. if they increased my line charge 1 cent per day ….. you do the maths, BUT given the number of households and businesses in their jurisdiction, $5m could be recovered within a very short time – at which time there could/should be a line charge DEcrease. Does anyone seriously think that is going to happen?

    .. I could go on, but these buggers try it on at any opportunity! (sad thing is that they often get away with it)

    Now I think about it … they could probably clip a CEO and underlings salary and benefits a little, and come up with about 10% of that $5m. Justify it because of obvious poor performance – they cudda shudda wudda taken account of the potential for severe damage – just as old Power Boards and MEDs used to do

    • Rogue Trooper 14.1

      The location and topography of Wellington is going to be increasingly problematic in these disruptive times. ( a quote from a geographical scientist informing RNZ listeners following the recent storm).

  15. Draco T Bastard 15

    Torchwood

    When the state rolls up to reduce real access to state allowances for those parenting, or introduce new measures to allow employers to pay less than a living wage for parents, or sells off state assets meaning essential services like power cost more, what we are really doing is treating some children as less important than other children.

    It’s got a prettier face than Torchwood. But the psychological process is the same, make no mistake. Distance. Othering. Outright denial. Killing off empathy.

    • Rogue Trooper 15.1

      How many blogs you follow in flight Draco? Have your own ‘looking glass’?

      • Draco T Bastard 15.1.1

        More often than not these days I pick up interesting reading from the Twitter feed.

        • Rogue Trooper 15.1.1.1

          do you think / find that the feeds duplicate the International news sites / International journals such as IBT, Bloomberg etc? Feck, considering the data channeling / siphoning from mobile devices (as below) , think I’ll buy a flat-screen to watch films before I’d buy a cell-phone.

          • Draco T Bastard 15.1.1.1.1

            The “twitter feed” is just what the people I follow consider interesting. This includes news items, pictures of babies/cats and random thoughts that don’t really connect with anything.

  16. Morrissey 17

    Humbug Corner
    
No. 10: “SIR” OWEN GLENN

    “I do care that every person, especially children, have [sic] the right to feel safe.”

    —-“Sir” Owen Glenn, Herald on Sunday, 9 June 2013
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10889282

    Humbug, n., a person or thing that tricks, deceives, talks, or behaves in a way that is deceptive, dishonest, false, or insincere, often a hoax or in jest. (Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

    See also: fraud, gaff, impostor, spoof, swindle, bastard, brummagem, duffer, shoddy.

    Humbug Corner is dedicated to gathering, and highlighting, the most striking examples of faux solicitude, insincere apologies, and particularly stupid recycling of official canards. It is produced by the Insincerity Project®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

    More horrifying humbug….
    No. 9 “Sir” Owen Glenn: His abuse inquiry is floundering after revelations he was accused of physically abusing a young woman in 2002.
    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-30062013/#comment-655616
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10889282
    No. 8 Barack Obama: “…people standing up for what’s right…yearning for justice and dignity…”

    No. 7 Barack Obama: “Nelson Mandela is my personal hero…”
    No. 6 John Key: “Yeah well the Greens’ answer to everything is rail, isn’t it.”
    No.5 Dr. Rodney Syme: “If you want good, open, honest practice, you have to make it transparent.”
    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-09062013/#comment-645826
    No. 4 Mike Bush: “Bruce Hutton’s… integrity beyond reproach…such great character…”

    No. 3 Dean Lonergan: “Y’ know what? The only people who will mock them are people who are dwarfists.”

    No. 2 Peter Dunne: “What a load of drivel and sanctimonious humbug…”

    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-09062013/#comment-645811
    
No.1 Dominic Bowden: “It’s okay to be speechless.”

    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-02062013/#comment-642288

  17. Rogue Trooper 18

    just Clowning around – “constantly search and persist”

  18. Rogue Trooper 19

    The AML (and Countering Financing of Terrorism) Act
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10893662
    -Enhanced due diligence of the “politically exposed”.

  19. Rosetinted 20

    Constitution Conversation.
    Ranginui Walker was talking on Radionz Te Ahi Kaa this evening on how the Conversation meetings are going. He made a point that with an unwritten constitution people who consider change is needed can press for it through certain processes, whereas a written constitution is relatively fixed (there may be matters of interpretation) but consider ‘The Right to bear Arms’. What a difficulty there is in trying to govern this dangerous culture. How many years ago was that piece of legislation drawn up and how can a restrictive piece of legislation that governs over all be relevant over centuries, even over decades in our fast moving environment and culture.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa
    Ranginui Walker ( 21′ 15″ ) 18:31 What’s becoming glaringly apparent to Constitutional Advisory Panel member
    Ranginui Walker, is that New Zealand’s education system is in need of a solid civics and history revamp. He discusses that and more with Maraea Rakuraku.

    What do you think about it? Make a submission.
    http://www.ourconstitution.org.nz/search.html?q=meetings
    Some info from the Media Centre
    http://www.ourconstitution.org.nz/Media-Centre

    • Rogue Trooper 20.1

      tell us do, Rosetinted, what is becoming glaringly obvious? Another ‘living document” proposal.

  20. Rosetinted 21

    Rogue T
    Don’t know Rogue. I went to a CC meeting and left as the second speaker bombarded us with a lot of revisionist stuff against Maori, questioned the Treaty, and seemed to want to have a Constitution that would allow overturning all the conciliatory and justice work that has been done.

    I was angry to have to listen to these old male pakeha who seemed to want to shatter what we have – not build on the good, and get something that is not so distributed throughout the legislation.

    But I thought Ranginui Walker would have something wise to say, and in commenting that we should be careful in thinking whether we actually want a written prescriptive constitution, I believe that he made a good point.

  21. Rosetinted 22

    I had a little nut tree, / Nothing would it bear.
    I have tried twice to put something on the solar cycle and a warning on a science program on how sun extreme cycles can cut out whole electronic systems. There is an 11 year cycle. Let’s see if my nut tree will bear something now. It’s driving me nuts – first I lost it and the second gave me the fingers with ‘not a good http address.’

    Some interesting links.
    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/01mar_twinpeaks/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle
    http://www.auroraborealispage.net/solarmax.html

  22. Colonial Viper 23

    “Attacks from America” – EU missions in Washington DC and New York targeted by NSA

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/nsa-spied-on-european-union-offices-a-908590.html

  23. logie97 24

    Q+A this morning.
    One of the panel had a Cheshire cat smile on the issue of the big transport U-turn.
    Did he say, “It’s great really, my company has already done some work.”
    What would he have been privy to “already”, when Key only announced the plan on
    Friday.

  24. xtasy 25

    ALL I want is to get out of this SHIT COUNTRY that is NEW ZEALAND, I have no MORE time for cowards and shits that inhabit these lost islands, I HATE YOU LOSERS, I spent years fighting for your interests, I worked even to get YOUR shit into the media that most of you people would never know to organise or do, the revolution is NEVER going to happen in this country, it is a dumb country a shit country, not worth even thinking about!!!

    I just before wrote a long post, to get some thinking, and what fucking happened? The website and system crashed. So get on with your damned life in this damned country, that I wish I never had come back to, I HATE NEW ZEALAND, A TOTAL LOST PLACE OF LOSERS AND ARSEHOLE BACK STABBERS AND OPPORTUNISTS.

    You will NEVER SEE AND HEAR FROM ME AGAIN ON THIS WEBSITE. I put hope into this site, but you are all losers, a minority and not even communicating, i.e. getting anything across, this country is there for the capitalist vultures to clean and rape, and they are doing it. I t is the gutlessness of ordinary Kiwis to just blog and ponder, and do NONE else to sell your own damned country out under your own arses!!!

    • Murray Olsen 25.1

      Bye. You’re not the first left wing messiah to lose patience with the masses and blame them for the evils of capitalism, and you won’t be the last. Meanwhile, I’ll keep doing what I can.

  25. amirite 26

    Is it a coincidence that Owen Glenn’s anti violence campaign has started going downhill ever since he received his knighthood? Maybe that’s all he was interested in.

  26. Chooky 27

    xstasy

    Come back…We are listening to you!. ( Don’t throw a tantrum!…the website is under crash attack from bad bots…Dont take it personally because it is happening to everyone….shows just how scared is the opposition of the collective voice of the Standard)

    You have a valuable voice and important thoughts ….You speak for the underdog and those at the very bottom who have no confidence and hence have lost their voice….We all have bad days….Take a breather and come back stronger…The Labour Party must represent New Zealanders like you , or it is doomed!!!!… Historically the people you are talking for have been the backbone of the Labour Party…Maybe you could also forge links with the activist Mana Party….But keep speaking out!

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    Greens | 20-10
  • Church congratulated on child poverty stand
    The efforts by the bishops of the Anglican Church to ensure that the issue of child poverty is not forgotten is a call to all New Zealanders to take action, says Labour’s Interfaith-Dialogue Spokesperson, Su’a William Sio.   “I think...
    Labour | 19-10
  • Labour names Review Team
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has appointed Bryan Gould as Convenor of its post-General Election Review.  He will be joined on the Review Team by Hon Margaret Wilson, Stacey Morrison and Brian Corban (see further biographical details here). The Review Team...
    Labour | 19-10
  • Labour backs urban development plans
    Auckland Council’s plan to set up an urban development agency is to be applauded and central government should get behind it to make it a success, Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford says. Auckland Council CEO Stephen Town has indicated plans...
    Labour | 18-10
  • New Zealand can be rightly proud of seat on Security Council
    Gaining a seat on the United Nation’s Security Council shows the sort of standing that New Zealand has in the world and the quality of the long campaign that we ran over nearly a decade, says Foreign Affairs spokesperson David...
    Labour | 16-10
  • NZ has opportunity on UN Security Council
    New Zealand has an opportunity to make a major contribution to the strengthening of international law and institutional capacity through its upcoming two-year tenure on the United Nations Security Council, Green Party spokesperson on global affairs, Dr Kennedy Graham said...
    Greens | 16-10
  • MPI still dragging the chain over causes of food bug
    The Ministry of Primary Industries’ release of Environmental Science and Research’s initial reports regarding the sources of a nasty stomach bug will be little comfort to the 127 people affected by it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “This...
    Labour | 16-10
  • Treasury officials should try working without food
    The Green Party is challenging Treasury officials to work for a week without eating properly, in light of their advice to Government that a food in schools programme is not needed."Treasury's advice was that providing food for children in schools...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Councils need to better protect our drinking water
    Environment Canterbury (ECan) is proposing several variations to its regional land and water plan that will allow for increased nutrient and other pollution from irrigation and intensive agriculture on the Canterbury Plains. Commissioners are hearing submissions on Variation 1 to...
    Greens | 15-10
  • National needs to commit to making NZ workers safe
    The National Government must do more to help make New Zealand workplaces a safer place to work in, Green Party industrial relations spokesperson Denise Roche said today.Data released by Statistics New Zealand today showed that workers in the fishing and...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Key commits to deployment before consultation or analysis
    John Key’s offer to consult Opposition parties on whether to deploy New Zealand forces against ISIS looks increasingly like a PR exercise only, says Labour’s Defence spokesperson, Phil Goff. “The presence of New Zealand’s Chief of Defence Force at a...
    Labour | 15-10
  • National must end ideological opposition to raising income
    If John Key is serious about tackling child poverty he must approach it with an open mind, and overcome his ideological block to raising incomes as a solution, the Green Party said today.Papers released to Radio New Zealand today show...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Pentagon links climate change and terrorism
    Yesterday the Pentagon launched a plan to deal with a threat that “poses immediate risks to national security”; one that “will affect the Department of Defense’s ability to defend the nation”. It wasn’t referring to Ebola or ISIS. It was...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Four Nominees for Labour’s Leadership
    As at 5pm today four valid nominations had been received for the position of Labour Leader, as follows: Andrew Little(nominated by Poto Williams and Iain Lees-Galloway) Nanaia Mahuta(nominated by Louisa Wall and Su’a William Sio) David Parker(nominated by Damien O’Connor...
    Labour | 14-10
  • Green Party calls for consultation over terrorism law changes
    The Green Party has today written to the Prime Minister asking him to engage in wider consultation prior to changing any laws as a result of the recently announced terrorism law reviews, said the Green Party today. In a letter...
    Greens | 14-10
  • MPI must name product and supermarket chain
    The Ministry of Primary Industries must name the product responsible for severe gastroenteritis affecting people around the country, and the supermarket chain distributing it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “The Ministry seems to be more concerned about protecting...
    Labour | 13-10
  • John Key dishonest about reasons for wanting to change terrorism law
    John Key is misleading the public to push through terrorism law changes under urgency, the Green Party said today. On Sunday, John Key stated that it is not illegal for someone to fight overseas for a terrorist group, such as...
    Greens | 12-10
  • Law changes shaping up to be worse than first thought
    The Prime Minister needs to be up front about exactly what changes he is planning to make to the Employment Relations  Amendment Bill, Labour's spokesperson on Labour Issues Andrew Little says.Interviewed on Q&A yesterday John Key said he did not...
    Labour | 12-10
  • Rapists, not Tinder, the threat to women
    Blame for rape and sexual assault should only ever be laid at the door of the perpetrator, not dating services or the actions of women themselves, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “Tinder is not the problem and women...
    Labour | 09-10
  • Safer Journeys For People Who Cycle
    You have a rare opportunity to tell the people who are making the decisions on cycling how to make it better. The Cycling Safety Panel is seeking feedback on their draft recommendations for improving the safety of cycling in New...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Subsidising more pollution will undermine water clean-up plan at Te Waihora...
    In 2010, NIWA found Canterbury’s Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere had the worst nutrient status of 140 lakes around New Zealand that it measured. In 2011, the National Government committed to spending $15 million across the country through the Fresh Start for...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Adding value not herbicides
    The HT swedes, and other brassicas, might seem like a good idea to farmers struggling against weeds but like the GE road, is this the path we want our agriculture to be treading? The Federated Farmers President, Dr William Rolleston...
    Greens | 07-10
  • ‘Blame the Planner’ bizarre approach to child poverty
    The National Government is stooping to a bizarre new low in blaming "planning processes" for poverty and inequality, after spending six years doing nothing about either the housing market or child poverty, the Green Party said today. Finance Minister Bill...
    Greens | 07-10
  • Media Advisory
    MANA Leader, Hone Harawira will not be available to speak with media today regarding his release “Recount Just One Step To restoring Credibility”. He is however available for media comment tomorrow, Tuesday the 8th of October, all media arrangements are...
    Mana | 07-10
  • RECOUNT JUST ONE STEP TO RESTORING CREDIBILITY
    “I have applied for a judicial recount of the votes in the Tai Tokerau election because it is one step in trying to restore credibility to the electoral process in the north, and, I suspect, in all other Maori electorates...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA SEEKS TAI TOKERAU RECOUNT
    The MANA Movement is supporting Leader Hone Harawira’s application for a judicial re-count in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate for the 2014 general election. President Lisa McNab says there are a number of serious issues of concern regarding the ability...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA to fight mass privatisation of state housing
    Announcements over the past 12 hours from the Minister responsible for Housing New Zealand, Bill English, and Minister for Social Housing, Paula Bennett, make clear the government’s intention for the mass privatisation of state housing. This comes during the middle...
    Mana | 07-10
  • Journalists have right to protect sources
    Legal authorities must respect the right of journalist Nicky Hager to protect the source of his material for his Dirty Politics book under Section 68 of the Evidence Act, Acting Labour Leader David Parker says. “It is crucial in an...
    Labour | 06-10
  • It shouldn’t take the Army to house the homeless
    National’s move to speed up its state house sell-off shows it is bankrupt of new ideas, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “National has been in office for six years, yet the housing crisis has got worse every month and...
    Labour | 06-10
  • Government must lift social housing supply, not shuffle the deck chairs
    National's decision to shift the state provision of housing to third parties is a smokescreen for the Government decreasing the provision of affordable housing, the Green Party said today."What National should be doing is increasing the supply of both social...
    Greens | 06-10
  • Election 2014 – the final count
    While we have to wait for the final booth level counts we can now see how well we did in the specials and look at electorate level data. First off special votes (and disallowed/recounted votes etc). There was a change...
    Greens | 06-10
  • We need more houses, not Ministers
    The Government’s decision to have three housing Ministers will create a dog’s breakfast of the portfolio and doesn’t bode well for fixing the country’s housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “New Zealanders need more houses, not more Ministers....
    Labour | 05-10
  • MANA’S CHALLENGE TO THE 51st PARLIAMENT
    Ten years ago I led 50,000 Maori on the historic FORESHORE AND SEABED MARCH from Te Rerenga Wairua to the very steps of this parliament, in a march against the greatest land grab in the history of this country –...
    Mana | 03-10
  • 5AA Australia – NZ on UN Security Council + Dirty Politics Lingers On
    5AA Australia: Selwyn Manning and Peter Godfrey deliver their weekly bulletin Across The Ditch. General round up of over night talkback issues: Thongs, Jandals and flip-flops… ISSUE 1: New Zealand has been successful in its campaign to become a non...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • When I mean me, I mean my office & when I call whaleoil I mean not as m...
    This. Is. Ludicrous. Green Party co-leader Russel Norman put the first of what are likely to be many questions about Mr Key’s relationship with Slater, asking him how many times he had phoned or texted the blogger since 2008. “None...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • A brief word on describing the Government as ‘boring and bland’
    The narrative being sown is that this Government will be a boring and bland third term. Boring and bland. Since the election, Key has announced he is privatising 30% of state houses without reinvesting any of that money back into housing society’s most...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • More Latté Than Lager: Reflections on Grant Robertson’s Campaign Launch.
    BIKERS? SERIOUSLY! Had Grant Robertson’s campaign launch been organised by Phil Goff? Was this a pitch for the votes of what few Waitakere Men remain in the Labour Party? Was I even at the right place? Well, yes, I was....
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • About Curwen Ares Rolinson
    Curwen Ares Rolinson – Curwen Ares Rolinson is a firebrand young nationalist presently engaged in acts of political resistance deep behind enemy lines amidst the leafy boughs of Epsom. He is affiliated with the New Zealand First Party; although his...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kelly Ellis
    Kelly Ellis.Kelly Ellis – As a child, Kelly Ellis didn’t so much fall into the cracks, but willfully wriggled her way into them. Ejected from Onslow College – a big job in the 70s – Kelly worked in car factories,...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kate Davis
    Kate Davis.Kate Davis – Having completed her BA in English and Politics, Kate is now starting her MA. Kate works as a volunteer advocate at Auckland Action Against Poverty and previously worked for the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Kate writes...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Parker does a Shearer – oh for a Labour Leader who can challenge msm fals...
    Sigh. It seems David Parker has done a Shearer… Like a cult and too red – Parker on LabourLabour leadership contender David Parker says Labour borders on feeling like “a cult” and must look at its branding – including its...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • A brief word on the hundreds of millions NZ is spending on the secret intel...
    The enormity of the mass surveillance state NZ Government’s have built carries a huge price tag… Kiwis pay $103m ‘membership fee’ for spyingThe $103 million taxpayer funding of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies is effectively a membership fee for joining the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Where. Is. Jason. Ede?
    Where. Is. Jason. Ede?...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Labour’s Din of Inequity
    Watching Labour’s leadership candidates on Q+A on Sunday, I noticed the ongoing use of terms like “opportunity” and “aspiration”, and “party of the workers”. What do these mean? We glean much from Labour, and from the media about Labour, but not...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • “Blue-Greenwash” fails the test when it comes to endangered dolphins
    National’s pre-election promises saw some wins for the environment – perhaps as the party sought to appease its “Blue-Green” voters and broaden its popular appeal. Some of the ecological gains were a long time in the making, overdue even– such...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Reasons not to be cheerful, Part #272b
    Why don’t you get back into bed? The next few years — the rest of this century — are not going to be pretty. There is an obvious disconnect between any remaining political ambition to fix climate change and the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Discordant Chimes of Freedom: Why Labour has yet to be forgiven.
    WHY DOES THE ELECTORATE routinely punish Labour and the Greens for their alleged “political correctness” but not National? It just doesn’t seem fair. Consider, for example, the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 – the so-called “anti-smacking legislation” –...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Hosking or Henry – Which right wing crypto fascist clown do you want to w...
    So Mediaworks are finally going to make some actual money from their eye watering contract with Paul Henry by launching a new multi-platform Breakfast show over TV, Radio and internet. This is great news for Campbell Live who have dodged...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Families need more money to reduce child poverty
    Prime Minister John Key is mistaken to rule out extending the In Work Tax Credit to all poor children (The Nation 11th Oct) and Child Poverty Action Group challenges government advisors to come up with a more cost effective way...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Don’t shit on my dream
    Once were dreamers. A large man, walks down the road and, even from 200 yards there’s light showing between his big arms and bigger body. It’s as if he’s put tennis balls under his arms. Two parking wardens walk out...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Labour and ‘special interests’
    The media narrative of Labour is that it is unpopular because it’s controlled by ‘special interests’. This ‘special interests’ garbage is code for gays, Maoris, wimin and unionists. We should show that argument the contempt it deserves. The next Labour...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Ru...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Tahi) . National’s housing development project: ‘Gateway’ to confusion . Perhaps nothing better illustrates National’s lack of a coherent housing programme than the ‘circus’ that is...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Here’s what WINZ are patronisingly saying to people on welfare when they ...
    Yesterday, a case manager from WINZ called to tell me that I needed to “imagine what I would do if I did not have welfare”. I replied “Well, I guess if I couldn’t live at home, I would be homeless.”...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • David Shearer’s ‘no feminist chicks’ mentality highlights all that is...
    Mr Nasty pays a visit Shearer’s extraordinary outburst last night on NZs favourite redneck TV, The Paul Henry Show, is a reminder of all that is wrong within the Labour Caucus right now… He said the current calls for a female or...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0
    Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – A Tale Of Two Cities
    Sunday was surreal. I went for a drive and ended up in a different country. It wasn’t intentional but those days of too many literally intertextual references seldom are. There is no doubt that the Sunday drive this week had...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Unanimously Call for Commissioner to Arm Police Full Time
    In the wake of a series of recent armed offender incidents, delegates to the Police Association Annual Conference today called unanimously on the Commissioner to arm Police full time....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Bank gets behind NZ wildlife icon with sizable donation
    It will be easier than ever this summer for holiday-markers to dip into their pockets to support the yellow-eyed penguin....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • WorkSafe report raises concerns about asbestos
    The union representing construction workers in the Canterbury rebuild is surprised at WorkSafe’s conclusion that no action needs to be taken against EQC and Fletcher EQR over asbestos exposure in Canterbury homes. “This report was an opportunity...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Union accuses SkyCity CEO of misleading public
    Unite Union has accused SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison of misleading the public over the cut in hours for a staff member who raised the issue at the company's AGM....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Last Hurrah on the Taxpayer
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that Hone Harawira spent up $54,000 on the taxpayer in his last three months as an MP, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “It is absolutely disgraceful that an MP managed to rack...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Press statement in relation to search of Nicky Hager’s home
    On 2 October 2014, Nicky Hager's home in Wellington was searched by police. Mr Hager asserted that documents kept at his house were protected by privilege, including because they contained information that might identify confidential sources....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • The Sam Simon arrives into Auckland for new campaign
    This morning Sea Shepherd ship, the Sam Simon, arrived into Auckland harbour after its journey from Melbourne. The ship and its 25 crew from around the globe have come to New Zealand to source supplies and prepare for the upcoming...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Low inflation – time for meaningful wage increases
    With inflation low, now is a good time for workers to negotiate for pay increases that outstrip price rises and deliver real increases in wages and salaries. “For too many people, real pay increases have been missing for several years...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Auckland Rates Rises Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that Auckland ratepayers will face an average of a 29 percent rates increase, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “These rate rises show that Len Brown's spending is out of control.”...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Protest at New Plymouth Oil and Gas Expo
    About 30 protesters from Climate Justice Taranaki, Frack-free Kapiti, Te Uru Pounamu Action Group, Oil Free Wellington, Frack-free Manawatu and the east coast protested yesterday outside New Plymouth's biennial Oil and Gas Expo at the TSB Stadium....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • FMA warns consumers about cold-calling investment offers
    The Financial Markets Authority (FMA) is warning New Zealand consumers and investors to be wary of cold-calls asking them to buy shares or put their money into offshore firms....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Comprehensive plan needed to end child poverty
    Child Poverty Action Group says it is vital the newly re-elected National government takes a planned and comprehensive approach to reducing child poverty in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Metiria Gets Feed the Kids
    Yesterday the Speaker of the House advised that he had accepted my request to transfer my Feed the Kids (Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment) Bill to Metiria Turei of the Green Party....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • DIA undercover investigation leads to jailing
    An undercover Internal Affairs investigation has led to a Hastings man being jailed for three and half years....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of Balibo Five
    Media Information: Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of journalist Gary Cunningham and the Balibo Five...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Australia and NZ actions on press freedoms alarming
    Global support for investigative journalism in Australia and New Zealand is a welcome response to law changes and a police raid, says the Pacific Freedom Forum...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call for release of French journalists in West Papua
    West Papua Action Auckland, the EPMU Print and Media Council and the NZ Media Freedom Network call on the Minister of Foreign Affairs to speak out in support of the two French TV journalists whose trial has just begun in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Court of Appeal: Dotcom v 20th Century Fox Film Corporation
    A The appeal is dismissed. B The 20 August 2014 order of the High Court dealing with confidentiality and the 29 August 2014 order of this Court dealing with confidentiality are set aside. C The confidentiality orders set out in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Glassons Blasted For Glamourising Animal Cruelty
    Clothing brand Glassons have found themselves embroiled in another controversy after launching a new advert featuring a girl riding a bull. Animal advocacy organisation SAFE have asked them to remove the ad immediately as it glamourises animal cruelty....
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet
    Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet Federated Farmers Bee Industry Group applauds the tough line taken by Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) Border Staff at Auckland Airport. In deporting the couple found trying to smuggle bee products...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Taxpayers’ Union Responds to Joyce on Corporate Welfare
    Responding to Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce’s defence of corporate welfare , Jim Rose, the author of Monopoly Money , a Taxpayers Union report on corporate welfare since 2008, says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
    Today’s speech from the Throne confirms the Government’s focus on children, youth and their families in the areas of health, education, youth employment, poverty alleviation and Whānau Ora; now the challenge is to ensure every child in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
    “John Key has clearly been looking to the US for his latest bright idea on dealing with employment issues,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty coordinator Sue Bradford. “Job fairs where the desperately unemployed queue in their corporate best to compete...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
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  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
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  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Outdated Oath shows need for Kiwi Head of State
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Council shouldn’t revenue grab from windfall valuations
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Labour Names Review Team
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
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    Scoop politics | 18-10
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    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • The Nation: RSA President BJ Clark & Ian Taylor, New NZ Flag
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    Scoop politics | 18-10
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