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Our international shame

Written By: - Date published: 7:41 am, February 13th, 2013 - 191 comments
Categories: International - Tags: , ,

It’s not often I agree with Judith Collins but when she describes Richard Prosser’s racist filth as an “international embarrassment” I couldn’t agree more.

That said, her government’s collusion in the Pacific Solution is probably even more damaging to our international reputation. New Zealand has long had an international reputation for being a fair dealer, a nation that leads on human rights issues and the environment. But this government has backtracked on both.

I could make economic arguments about how this brand damage will cost us (and it will) but to be frank, I’m sick of the bullshit game of monetising everything in order to ascribe it value. Which is to say we shouldn’t be as worried about what this costs us as we should be about the fact we are a better nation than this and we should be aspiring to be better.

In the meantime, yes, Winston needs to sack Prosser. But while we’ve got a government willing to dog-whistle on refuges and an opposition that colludes in those dog-whistles (such as David Shearer refusing to state he’d scrap Key’s Pacific Solution policy) I’m not holding my breath. If he does go I suspect it’ll be more for how explicit he made himself rather than the sentiments he expressed.

Update: Darien Fenton has pointed out some of the work she’s done on the Pacific Solution issue and it’s good solid Labour values stuff. I just wish David Shearer’s line had been that strong from the start.

191 comments on “Our international shame”

  1. Matthew Hooton 1

    Winston can’t sack Prosser. Winston agrees with Prosser. See for example http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10338138 Apparently, moderate Muslims shield fundamentalist, terrorist Muslims. This guy became Helen Clark’s foreign minister and is your next coalition partner, or ours, or preferably no ones.

    • Well Matthew Key seems to be backing away from his refusal to negotiate with Peters or NZ First despite his earlier “principled” stance. Not so principled now is he.

    • Skinny 1.2

      Yes and we know where all those disgruntled ACT & National voters are going to turn too. Good old Winston Peters and his NZ First Party. And your acutely aware Matthew that Peters holds a revengeful grudge against National & ACT for the smear campaign they ran against him a couple elections ago.

      Revenge is sweet Hootan! that is why he will not run with Key.

      • Pascal's bookie 1.2.1

        They also hold a grudge because Don Brash stole their immigration policy

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10366124

        Hooten doesn’t like to talk about those days though.

      • Pascal's bookie 1.2.2

        And here’s another one:

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10402759

        because when you tak to a Muslim there’s a good chance you’ve talked to a terrist by gad.

      • Pascal's bookie 1.2.3

        But the revenge Winston would really want would be to brought back home to national. He’d far rather make Key eat crow by having him at his side than anything else.

        • Matthew Hooton 1.2.3.1

          I agree with that. If it came down to it, and Key would deal with Peters, then I think Peters would choose National over Labour/Green.

          • vto 1.2.3.1.1

            What motivations lie behind your posts Mr Hooton? What are they intended to achieve? Merely some blog banter of banality? Or online oratory of other outcome?

          • Skinny 1.2.3.1.2

            Oh come on Matthew this is about starting a smear campaign early to frighten ‘both’ left & right supporters so NZFirst don’t get to the 5% threshold. The likelihood of Peters choosing National is slim as you well know.

            • Colonial Viper 1.2.3.1.2.1

              What? National’s mates are targetting Winnie again? Shit these guys are slow learners.

              Winston, stand that fucker down. If not for racism, then for extreme bad judgement in publishing his racist views and then standing by them.

          • Andre 1.2.3.1.3

            Patrick Gower ‏@patrickgowernz
            Key & Shearer are so desperate for power both are prepared to do deal with Winston’s #Wogistan #prosser party BLOG:

    • The Al1en 1.3

      “or ours”

      Like you’d have anything to do with it except peddle their bullshit and sniff for crumbs.
      Ours :lol:

    • BLiP 1.4

      .

      Winston can do what he likes, regardless of whether he’s using Prosser to round up the provincial and rugby club oiks that would otherwise vote for National Ltd™. I’m sure it suits Winston to have a kamikaze MP on hand to keep the publicity up. Nothing worse than not being talked about. In the meantime, Prosser and John Key share something in common . . .

      “. . . the good news is that I was having dinner with Ngati Porou as opposed to their neighbouring iwi, which is Tuhoe, in which case I would have been dinner, which wouldn’t have been quite so attractive,” he said . . .

      . . . an international reputation for being ignorant bigots, the pair of them.

  2. ak 2

    Ah. Winnie-bash time comes around again in Hooterville. Quite rightly too, he’s a real worry to his old Bash party, eating his parents. The Great Brown Tory Hope of yesteryear now demonised for what he was intensely nurtured, by the very same venal scum.

    Yes, admirable sentiments from Collins: someone dig up her comments on Orewa One and compare and contrast……

    • Pascal's bookie 2.1

      Or the Civil Union Bill readings.

    • Jackal 2.2

      Are you guys talking about the same Judith Collins who said this:

      Guyon Spiner: How can it be that we lock up people at double the rate of France?

      Judith Collins: Well what we have for instance is we have say 15% of the population Maori…

      Has everyone got that? Bigotry against Muslims not OK… racism against Maori bonza beaut mate!

      Interestingly the Sallies report (PDF) released today that looks into incarceration rates has confirmed that Maori are discriminated against by the Police and our judiciary system. Just following the ministers directive I suppose.

      • marty mars 2.2.1

        + 1 Exactly right Jackal

      • NickS 2.2.2

        And you can guarantee talk back will be filled with morons claiming that their the ones being discriminated against, with a unhealthy dose of “it teh Maori’s own faultz!11!!” on the side over this.

      • Rogue Trooper 2.2.3

        Excellent Jackal

      • TheContrarian 2.2.4

        Are you accusing Collins of being bigoted toward Maori, Jackal?

        Why don’t you post the whole quote:

        “JUDITH: Well what we have for instance is we have say 15% of the population Maori, we have 51% of our prison population’s Maori. That’s a shocking statistic.”

        Followed by:

        “JUDITH: Well I don’t think the Maori population are the cause of crime. Not at all. “

        • Rogue Trooper 2.2.4.1

          hows things?

        • Te Reo Putake 2.2.4.2

          Cheers, TC. That was a cheap, cowardly shot from The Jackal and not the first time he’s left out crucial information in a post in order to big himself up.

          Poor form, Jackal. Do you have the cojones to apologise to Collins and TS readers?

        • vto 2.2.4.3

          ha. The steaming cesspit of NZ’s race relations continues to emit odours from all those who shit.

        • Jackal 2.2.4.4

          TheConformist

          Are you accusing Collins of being bigoted toward Maori, Jackal?

          No! What I’m saying is that Collins, the Police and the judiciary system are all prejudiced against Maori.

          Here’s what Sallies state in their recent report:

          Over the six years covered by this data, Maori males have been up to 30% more likely than non-Maori males to be prosecuted by Police for the same or similar crime.

          Their’s isn’t the first research to show such racism within government institutions either.

          • TheContrarian 2.2.4.4.1

            Collins was expressing her shock at the fact we have such a large Maori population in jail.

            Your slimy quote mine implied Judith Colin blamed the fact we had 15% Maori population as the cause of crime. As TRP says “That was a cheap, cowardly shot”

            That is dishonest and untrue by a mere cursory glance at the actual comment.

            The adult response would be to retract your comment

          • Te Reo Putake 2.2.4.4.2

            More self serving rubbish, Jackal. Here is your comment:

            “Has everyone got that? Bigotry against Muslims not OK… racism against Maori bonza beaut mate!”

            That’s based on your cynical misrepresentation of what Collins said. Its a form of lying to deliberate give a false impression in order to make an unwarranted smear.

            • Jackal 2.2.4.4.2.1

              There’s nothing to apologise for as my assertion is based on the evidence that’s provided. If you want to ignore the evidence and that Collins is responsible as a minister, go right ahead. She’s a bigot because she doesn’t even acknowledging that there’s a problem of racism within the judiciary and Police force… Ignorant like you guys.

              • TheContrarian

                Nothing in what Collins actually said in the interview betrays any sort of bigotry despite your crude and dishonest attempt.
                This has nothing to do with claimed inherent racism in the police force and has everything to do with you implying Judith Colin blamed the fact we had 15% Maori population as the cause of crime through a dishonest quote mine.

                You are being extremely dishonest. But I expect that from you.

                • Jackal

                  You really do have a bee in your bonnet about this eh TheComformist.

                  Nothing in what Collins actually said in the interview betrays any sort of bigotry despite your crude and dishonest attempt.

                  So let’s quote the entire relevant part then:

                  GUYON But how can those two things be true Minister, how can it be that we lock up people at double the rate of France?

                  JUDITH Well what we have for instance is we have say 15% of the population Maori, we have 51% of our prison population’s Maori. That’s a shocking statistic. It’s also true for other countries, for instance Australia, there are some parts of Australia where they have 3% of the population is Aboriginal but 30% of the prison population is.

                  GUYON So that’s the difference?

                  JUDITH I think the fact is, is that when we have a quite significant group of people who unfortunately often feel that they are not part of the system, not part of the social connections that the rest of us have, there is more of a likelihood towards crime.

                  In other words Collins is saying that it’s all te Maoris fault that they commit crime because they aren’t a part of society.

                  Could you highlight where Collins states that it’s prejudices within the Police force and judiciary system (which the research shows is the main reason for higher incarceration rates of Maori) within her pontifications there or anywhere TheConformist?

                  Purposefully ignoring the problem when Collins has the power to make changes is also racism.

                  In regard to Richard Prosser’s racism, it’s clear that Collins was simply scoring cheap political points against NZ First, while harboring racist sentiments herself. We usually call such people hypocrites!

                  You are being extremely dishonest. But I expect that from you.

                  I’m not sure how my opinion can be dishonest, but more importantly are you going to acknowledge that the research is correct or not?

                  • Mary

                    Collins is correctly pointing out that crime is often the consequence in situations where those committing the crime do not feel part of society. The inference is that Maori are over-represented in the crime statistics because of this reason. The problem is that Collins is blaming the individual person for feeling “that they are not part of the system, not part of the social connections that the rest of us have…” Collins’ expectation then is that Maori should just sort themselves out and start ‘feeling part of society’ otherwise we’ll just keeping locking ‘em up. That’s where the difference of opinion here is. For Collins it’s all very simple: be good or we’ll get you. But of course Collins is no intellectual so that’s all we can expect from her and those of her ilk.

                    • Foreign Waka

                      Regardless of the ethnicity of anyone committing a crime, perhaps it has escaped you all that a person has a CHOICE, to do the crime or not. Simple as that. To contort this in any other way is just an excuse to go and kill, maim, steal and pilferage of the fellow citizen whose CHOICE is to be honest. There are many people who do not feel part of the society; recent immigrants, refugees, some of the disabled, elderly etc. who CHOOSE not to do the crime.

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Baby steps. What overlying factors influence people’s “choices”, Foreign Waka?

                    • Jackal

                      Foreign Waka

                      We’re talking about the CHOICE of the Police and the judiciary system to discriminate against Maori Foreign Waka, which the research clearly shows is the case.

                      Whether Maori undertake more crime on average than non Maori because they choose to has not been established… It is however likely that Maori undertake more crimes of necessity because they’re marginalized to a greater extent by a discriminatory system than non Maori.

                      What has been established beyond a doubt however is that Maori are discriminated against by the Police, and this is one of the main reasons for a higher Maori incarceration rate in New Zealand. Change that aspect of our Police culture and we will see reductions in the Maori incarceration rate.

                • TheContrarian

                  Now you are shifting the goal posts Jackal.
                  Another dishonest technique.

                  You selectively quoted Collins to make it sound as if she was implying the fact we had 15% Maori population as the cause of crime.

                  That is dishonest.

                  • Jackal

                    Nup! I’m still talking about the Q+A statement and the research I highlighted in my first comment.

                    Did you like it how she tried to justify our high rate of Maori incarceration by saying there’s lots of Aboriginals in Australian jails as well, and that makes it all OK does it?

                    What about the follow up of what National will do about the issue? As you obviously haven’t bothered to read the research, our recidivism rates haven’t improved at all, so effectively National has done nothing!

                    • TheContrarian

                      You selectively quoted Collins to make it sound as if she was implying the fact we had 15% Maori population as the cause of crime.

                      Dishonest.

                      And now you try to imply that she was trying to justify by comparing it to Australia. Which is also dishonest because she isn’t justifying it – she thinks it is shocking, not that it is OK.

                      Jesus man, you a fucking terrible at this

                    • Jackal

                      Could somebody fix that stuck record please?

              • Te Reo Putake

                What evidence did you provide, Jackal? Half a quote which destroys the context and meaning of the full comment is not evidence of anything but your own mendacity.

                • Jackal

                  There’s six years of research by the Salvation Army to begin with… Why not start there Daveo. Oops! I mean Te Reo Putake.

                  • Rogue Trooper

                    u r a pretty cool ol’ dog in your own way

                  • Te Reo Putake

                    More self serving rubbish. You lied to smear Collins. Weak, disrespectful and lazy.

                    • TheContrarian

                      All Jackals dodging doesn’t change his selective dishonest quoting.

                    • Rogue Trooper

                      how come you don’t put a comprehensive “post” together T?

                    • Jackal

                      Just incase you hadn’t noticed, I’ve quoted the entire relevant part now TheConformist… In my opinion it still makes Collins look like a bigot!

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      “Just in case you hadn’t noticed, I’ve quoted the entire relevant part now TheConformist… In my opinion it still makes Collins look like a bigot!”

                      So what? Have you got the guts to acknowledge you were wrong to selectively misquote her to make your ‘bigot’ smear look accurate? The story here isn’t Collins, it’s your dishonesty.

                      So what’s more important to you? Collins or your credibility?

                    • TheContrarian

                      He won’t do it. He’ll come up with some kind of squirm to get out of the fact he was being dishonest and disingenuous.

                      My 2 yr old niece has greater self awareness than Jackal.

                    • Jackal

                      Wow! You guys are real loyal Judith Collins fans.

                      Te Reo Putake

                      So what? Have you got the guts to acknowledge you were wrong to selectively misquote her to make your ‘bigot’ smear look accurate?

                      I wasn’t wrong to select the most relevant part to what Collins said to support my argument that she’s racist TRP.

                      Oh look… Labour MP Chris Hipkins also used the same quote. Here’s what he says about it:

                      I don’t think the rest of Collins quote makes her look any better. Her first response when asked why NZ had a higher imprisonment rate than other countries was to say it was because of our Maori population. Her “them and us” attitude reflects the National Party’s “Iwi/Kiwi” heritage, yet the Maori Party continue to support them in government.

                      If you feel so strongly about it, why don’t you make a formal complain about Hipkins to Labour TRP?

                      The story here isn’t Collins, it’s your dishonesty.

                      You haven’t established that I’ve been dishonest… You are welcome to believe that there’s a “story” concerning the quote I used if you like, although I think you’re being a bit delusional.

                      So what’s more important to you? Collins or your credibility?

                      Clearly the fact that we have a bigot as the Minister of Justice, ACC and Ethnic Affairs is far more important than whether you think I’m credible or not TRP.

                      The Conformist

                      He won’t do it. He’ll come up with some kind of squirm to get out of the fact he was being dishonest and disingenuous.

                      By “squirm” do you mean that I simply disagree with you both?

                      My 2 yr old niece has greater self awareness than Jackal.

                      As usual your argument is based on ad hominem drivel TC… You and TRP cannot even bring yourselves to acknowledge the evidence I’ve supplied that supports my argument. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      More bullshit, Jackal. Hipkins was just as wrong as you and like you, he was quickly pulled up in the comments for being dishonest. He. like you, then tries to weasel out of it. So fucken what? You’re both full of shit. Admittedly, its worse for Hipkins; he’s a paid professional and you’re just a hopeless amateur, but lying is still lying. And you, pal, are a liar.

                    • Jackal

                      You haven’t established that I was dishonest TRP by using the relevant part of Judith Collins’ statement, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.

                      I suspect your the type of guy who screams feckless insults at his neighbors as well, and you’re the only one on that Red Alert post from July 2010 claiming that Chris Hipkins was dishonest… You really look a bit foolish!

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      More lies! Read the comments, fool. Still, you did make me pissed enough at the dishonesty of Hipkins that I posted a comment 3 years after the event. That’ll show ‘em!

                      By the way, now that we know you cribbed the whole thing from Hipkins, without attribution, how does that make you less dishonest?

                    • Jackal

                      Te Reo Putake

                      More lies! Read the comments, fool. Still, you did make pissed enough at the dishonesty of Hipkins that I posted a comment 3 years after the event. That’ll show ‘em!

                      Nobody else is calling Hipkins a liar or dishonest in the forty odd comments there TRP… You’re clearly out on a limb all by yourself.

                      By the way, now that we know you cribbed the whole thing from Hipkins, without attribution, how does that make you less dishonest?

                      Actually, I found the Q+A transcript first and linked to it… You’re such a plonker Te Reo Putake, and there’s no point in continuing this debate further.

                    • TheContrarian

                      “You haven’t established that I was dishonest TRP by using the relevant part of Judith Collins’ statement, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.”

                      Yes we have, you just said it yourself:

                      Jackal: “..I was dishonest…”

                      See – I used the most relevant part of your comment to prove it.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Nice one, TC!

                    • Jackal

                      Yeah! You really showed me there TC /sarc.

                    • TheContrarian

                      Pulling out the most relevant part again

                      Jackal: “..You really showed me there..”

                      Yes I did. I showed you just how dishonest it is to quote-mine someone and present it as if they were saying something they weren’t.

                    • Jackal

                      TheConformist

                      I showed you just how dishonest it is to quote-mine someone and present it as if they were saying something they weren’t.

                      Wrong! Even though she tries to backtrack, the full quote by Judith Collins as provided still shows that she blames te Maori for their overrepresentation in our corrections system.

                      In contrast, your “quote-mining” of my comments just makes you look like a plonker!

                      Like you, Collins completely fails to acknowledge that the research shows Maori are discriminated against by the Police and that’s one of the main reasons for such overrepresentation… A fact you’re obviously at pains to ignore for some reason TheConformist ?

                      Please stop being silly and debate like an adult TC.

                    • TheContrarian

                      It shows nothing of the sort.

                      And you still haven’t addressed your dishonest quote mine which was actually the point of this..err..’discussion’

                      Figures.

                    • Jackal

                      What are you talking about? I’m starting to think you’re a little bit retarded TheConformist.

                    • TheContrarian

                      So you admit you dishonestly quote-mined Collins to make it sound like she blamed our crime problem on our population being 15% Maori

                    • Jackal

                      Ah no! What gave you that idea TheConformist? As much as you want me to change my opinion, unless Collins acknowledges and addresses the main issues and causes of Maori over-representation in our jails (which is unlikely), my opinion will remain the same.

                    • TheContrarian

                      This has nothing to do with Collins admitting why the real causes of crime and inherent injustice towards Maori.

                      You took a sentence in which Collins was describing the statistics of our prison system and misquoted to make her sound like the cause of crime was the fact we have a 15% Maori population.

                      That is dishonest – that you cant see that and you keep muddying the waters is no surprise because you appear to be functioning at level of a ten year old.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      But Contro, she was citing the statistics to explain why we have a higher incarceration rate than France.

                      She was asked ‘how do explain the difference’, and she explained it by pointing out that we have a 15% Maori population, and that Maori are incarcerated at a very high rate.

                      How does that explanation explain our higher rate than France?

                      What’s the logic she was using?

                      Make me a syllogism. And see if you can make it valid by including the disclaimer about not blaming Maori.

                      She couldn’t, she changed tack and said we have a higher rate because of higher crime, (caused by what according to her logic? hint: Maori feelings), and note how that explanation contradicts where the point inn the interview where she said we were a safe society.

                      The fact is she contradicted herself all over the place. So calling it quote mining when you focus on the logic and ignore the ‘I’m not a racist” stuff is just bullshit.

                    • Jackal

                      +1 Pascal’s bookie

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      What’s the diff? If they are disenfranchised, they’re going to feel disanfranchised. Or don’t you think maaris feel? ;)

                    • putting a winky face doesn’t hide the truth voice – The Jackal was on the money with his first post on this issue and you are defending collins and taking the piss out of tangata whenua whilst taking the piss with your name – feeling good about all that are you? That is disrespectful imo.

                • One Tāne Huna

                  I’m with Jackal on this one. Why doesn’t Collins talk about the conditions under which crime flourishes? Why, instead, is ethnicity front and centre of her analysis?

                  • TheContrarian

                    The issue isn’t that content of Collins message, it is Jackal dishonestly using a quote mine to make is seem as if Collin’s is saying our crime is due to us having 15% Maori population when in the interview she states the exact opposite.

                    Do you, OTH, defend jackals misuse of Collins quote to imply she thinks the exact opposite of what she states?

                  • felixviper

                    Yeah I agree. Jackal’s quote might’ve been a bit slippery, but it actually conveys exactly what Collins is trying to ‘say without saying’.

                    • TheContrarian

                      Apart from where she says

                      “JUDITH: Well I don’t think the Maori population are the cause of crime. Not at all. “

                      Where as jackal cut it off with

                      “JUDITH: Well what we have for instance is we have say 15% of the population Maori”

                      Which implies Collins claims we have crime due to our Maori population which she clarifies as definitely not what she thinks and in fact stems from disenfranchisement. The statistics themselves she describes as shocking.

                      This is called quote mining:

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Yes, that’s why Felix uses the phrase “say without saying”. That you can’t hear the dog-whistle, Contrarian, says more about your hearing range than anything.

                    • felixviper

                      Meh, I think she knew exactly how her statement would be interpreted.

                      btw I don’t think you’re being anal about it, not at all.

                    • TheContrarian

                      If you going to say she means something other than the words she uses then why bother misquoting her at all?

                      Why not just quote her in full and call her a liar instead of these silly quote mines to imply she said something she didn’t?

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      I’m not a racist but…

                    • TheContrarian

                      @Felix – dishonesty isn’t something one should just let past. The site is dedicated to exposing dishonesty in politicians (in part) so why should the commentators/authors be held to a different standard?

                    • McFlock

                      lolol
                      why indeed?

                    • felixviper

                      “Why not just quote her in full and call her a liar”

                      She’s not really lying though, that’s the beauty of it.

                      And in the hierarchy of sins, a pseudonym on a blog being a bit sneaky with a quote is far less of a concern to me than a Minister of the Crown saying that we wouldn’t have much crime if it weren’t for those bloody maarees.

                      Which is what she said, really.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Jeez Felix stop lying, she said she’s not a racist but the reason we have a high incarceration rate is because so many murrays in prison and that’s a shame is what it is but there you go.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      ‘Honestly, I’m not racist, but the fact is they are not in jail because they are Maori, but because of the way Maori are.’

                    • TheContrarian

                      Well she actually said the complete opposite of that Felix but it is your prerogative to belief what you want about her.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      So if I quoted myself from above thusly:

                      “I’m not racist”

                      Would that be quote mining?

                    • felixviper

                      To be fair though, she did point out that Australia hes a similar problem with abos, and they’re a totally different strain of darkie.

                      So not just blaming maarees. Not at all.

                    • TheContrarian

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quote_mining

                      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining

                      In the jackal example Collins was explaining our prison statistics and how they compare to other countries and her view that the statistics were ‘shocking’. Jackal quoted a single sentence which implied her comment was that we have a crime problem due to our population being 15% Maori

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      “Which implies Collins claims we have crime due to our Maori population which she clarifies as definitely not what she thinks and in fact stems from disenfranchisement.”

                      This would be quite a powerful argument if she said Maori were, in fact, disfranchised, rather than that they felt disenfranchised. Which is a whole different thing altogether, and what she actually said.

      • travellerev 2.2.5

        Which is really funny because the French have a huge Muslim population (5.5 % or half of the total of immigrants living in France) from all their Muslim ex colonies who by the way apart from one questionable event have never en masse (French) turned to terrorism weirdly enough.

        Pied noir (Black feet) they are called to this day because at some stage the French decided that everybody had to wear shoes in their colonies so the inhabitants who true to the colonial extortion spirit didn’t have a coin to scratch their butts with painted their feet to look like they were wearing shoes to avoid punishment.

        • Te Reo Putake 2.2.5.1

          Yep, the Algerians and other victims of French colonialism would have plenty of reason to resort to terrorism, but, for the most part seem to have taken the option of mass resistance to gain their independance instead.

          Interesting about the pied noir term, btw. I thought that it was the term for the european Algerians (ie the ones with French heritage who sided with France against the indiginous population). I first heard it in reference to Albert Camus, who was born in Algeria. It would be ironic indeed if the term is now the opposite of its original meaning!

        • Epping Road 2.2.5.2

          Pied noir has never meant the Muslim Berbers travellerev. It has always meant French Europeans in Algeria.

  3. Skinny 3

    Peters needs to show leadership & admonish Prosser for his racist rants. Most of us are well aware of Prossers bigoted ideology. I could imagine the huge outcry if he made anti Jewish remarks similar. Pretty spineless stuff Tosser!   

  4. karol 4

    Yes, agree that the government is showing a poor set of social and human values.

    Irish: typo – I think the government has a pretty poor record on the limited support of (women’s) refuges, but it seems more blatant than dog whistles. OTOH, Key has been dog whistling on refugees several times over the last couple of years.

  5. Prosser is a Tosser.
    No one can put a prickly rose around it and call it pretty,his loose lips will bring NZ
    First down, down in the polls.
    Winston has the ability to address this properly and act.
    As an aside, i watched a painful interview between TV3’s Smalley and Shearer about the Tosser’s potential verbal incendiary device, Shearer was his usual stammering and bumbling self,oh dear,sigh.

    • Andre 5.1

      http://t.co/KHc3c3fi Good piece about Farrar and his ploy?

    • NoseViper (The Nose knows) 5.2

      VV
      Well said about the Tosser’s potential verbal incendiary device – more dangerous than an IED – Improvised explosive device. Certainly it has gone off dangerously on Winston’s foot, but he thinks he has bulletproof legs so no worries and no concern about NZ’s standing overseas, which is rather strange in one who did have the Foreign Affairs portfolio at one time.

      Pertinent quote from Wikipedia –
      He also accused the Labour Party of having an “ethnic engineering and re-population policy.”[5] In July 2005, Peters said New Zealand should err on the side of caution in admitting immigrants until they “affirm their commitment to New Zealanders’ values and standards.” On the same occasion, Peters claimed to know that Muslim extremists were regularly entering New Zealand, and accused Islam in New Zealand as “having two faces – a moderate face and a militant underbelly”. However, he refused to identify the person or the source.

  6. Bill 6

    I’ve always found NZ and many NZers (including far too many who identify as being ‘of the left’) are incredibly adept at denying the extent of their racism as well as the racism inherent to NZ society.

    The equivocations or downright stupidity and antipathy exhibited by the likes of Prosser, Key, Shearer and many, many others are the result.

    • Colonial Weka 6.1

      Agreed.

      On Nine to Noon, Prosser described what he wrote in Investigate as a particular ‘style’. He regrets that, but because he won’t acknowledge the racism he can’t regret the racism. Handy. His framing the issue as style goes along with his statement that his views as a columnist are completely separate from his role as an MP. So apparently now one can be a racist fuckwit in one part of one’s life but that won’t affect how one operates in another part of one’s life eg how one helps run the country (although Kathryn Ryan made it pretty obvious that Prosser is a waste of space in parliament).

      It was good to hear Ryan making her contempt apparent.

      • AmaKiwi 6.1.1

        “his statement that his views as a columnist are completely separate from his role as an MP”

        You’re surprised? Lying about one’s real intentions is the first rule for getting elected.

      • marty mars 6.1.2

        Yes I listened to that too – by his logic he wouldn’t get to fly because of those ‘previous terrorists’ the IRA and he looks like they supposedly look. I needed a wash after listening to his foul opinions.

    • NickS 6.2

      None so fucking wilfully blind as the privileged to that which would show them in the harsh light of day to be fools and bigots.

  7. vto 7

    Our further international shame is moving towards a system similar to apartheid. Especially given we protested against that abomination and hold ourselves in such high regard in this area. It’s like the 100% Pure bullshit.

  8. AmaKiwi 8

    The reason we need a 4 year parliamentary term is so people like Richard Prosser can (tic appropriate answer):

    1. have time to become enligtened
    2. allow time for the voters to forget how incompetent/dangerous some MPs are
    3. (please add additional reasons because I’m stumped)

  9. Andre 9

    NZ needs to take its head out of its arse and grow up. We lack any sophistication in our thinking .Head up and look around ,we are so far behind in future thinking .Still thinking of color /creed. Before good and fair ….. Prosser is the poster boy of old New Zealand..

  10. Darien Fenton 10

    Irish : Did you miss these?

    “Labour’s Darien Fenton joined the attacks, saying the Government had its own law change in train as part of the Immigration Amendment Bill that would allow for the mass-detention of a group of 10 or more asylum seekers who arrive in a group by boat.

    “Just last year the Prime Minister John Key and his Immigration Minister, Nathan Guy, were describing asylum seekers who arrived by boat as ‘queue jumpers’ and ‘illegal immigrants’,” Fenton said.

    “Now, however, it seems Mr Key is prepared to take a number of the very same people – from recently reopened Australian detention centres on Papua New Guinea’s Manus Island and Nauru – that he has previously disparaged.”

    And this :

    Labour’s immigration spokeswoman Darien Fenton shares Amnesty’s concerns.

    “It really is tacit approval of the Australian system which has been so widely criticised,” she said.

    “Lots of New Zealanders would be concerned … if they knew the conditions [asylum seekers] would be sent into, which is effectively being behind barbed wire, living in tents, awful conditions.”

    Four radio interviews and TV on Saturday alone. Questions in the House yesterday from David Shearer. Quite a lot of Labour on this.

    • quartz 10.1

      Interesting. Will the next labour government revoke the arrangement?

    • AmaKiwi 10.2

      @ Darien Fenton

      Darien,

      You need a 1 sentence sound bite for the tv news.

      Preferably just a phrase, a label: “The Key is to forget.” “Key’s cabbage boat to residency.” “Prime Minister Mr. Double Talk.” “Key changes policies faster than he can justify them.”

      I am not in p.r., but I know a good one when I hear it.

      Nail the bast*rds!

      • NoseViper (The Nose knows) 10.2.1

        Or something like Labour’s policies will be up and going faster while Key’s just lie and fester (with mould as an extra).

        • Johninsg 10.2.1.1

          Winston has a certain touch for one-liners:

          “Judith Collins should stop behaving like Joan Collins, okay”

          We’ll not see Joan/Judith the same way again:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxZV8HZElKo

          • gobsmacked 10.2.1.1.1

            @Darien

            It is not the fault of Irish Bill, or anybody else, that your leader cannot communicate Labour’s position clearly – or even decide what it is.

            I appreciate that you can’t comment publicly, but I’m sure MPs were banging their heads on the wall when Shearer waffled his responses to media questions yesterday.

            If it helps you to keep shooting the other messengers, go ahead. But your real problem is THE messenger, and you know it. The leader gets ten times more coverage than a spokesperson, and you can’t deal with that communication defecit by issuing press releases or running around on blogs.

            If he needs help, here it is …

            “This policy is wrong, unnecessary, and stupid. Labour will scrap it.”

            Not hard, is it?

            • Johninsg 10.2.1.1.1.1

              +1

              “I’m sure MPs were banging their heads on the wall when Shearer waffled his responses to media questions yesterday”

              I have been banging my head so much and so hard the past few months with my clenched fist and I wonder how much longer will the majority of the Labour caucus have to bang their heads and actually do something.

              I do not say this easily but feel I have to voice this online for the good of my Labour Party.

              How much more time does the lead messenger of the leading opposition party need? I have been waiting and waiting for some clear, coherent, articulate messages from him. But with another day that passes, it seems like he draws greater attention to the ‘mess’ in message and messenger.

              For the record, I am a current member of the NZLP and I would be happy to verify this by showing my membership card to someone who posts on here (but not certain special people like the MP for South Dunedin).

              • xtasy

                I am not a member of NZLP, but I have also suffered major concussions due to banging my head and other body parts around, knowing no other way to deal with utter distress and depression. I even a times contemplated to make an end to it all, but then again, I cannot blame that just solely on the Labour Party.

    • IrishBill 10.3

      Sorry Darien – I’d only seen the lead media with David Shearer when I wrote the post. I’ve updated appropriately.

      • Darien Fenton 10.3.1

        Cheers Irish

        • bad12 10.3.1.1

          Good to see you here at the Standard having a look and a comment….

        • xtasy 10.3.1.2

          Darian, thanks for coming here and taking your position. I am one of the hardest of critics of your party here, and I make no doubts about it.

          Yet I have always respected your firm position on the lot of the disadvantaged, whether it is migrants or youth or unemployed or other workers.

          What I miss with Labour (Label Labour term, I suppose) is a reconnection to old values. This may appear old fashioned to some, but older and even younger Labour supporters are desperate to find out what Labour now stands for, so they can identify and offer their full support.

          We have had much vague and double talk, and most know not what to think of Labour, and so many are affectionate towards the Greens and also Mana.

          Do you blame them? They want social improvements, jobs and fair deals in all social and economic areas. So your party is challenged. Deliver, talk and we will listen and talk also, so far most of us are NOT convinced.

  11. Rogue Trooper 11

    …”the twin evils of diversity and multiculturalism”-the “leader” of NZ First. How freakin’ embarassing. wtf is wrong with the attitudes of some people? every-time i switch on my new / old telly there is some new cringe-dweller building a hedge for us to look over at the rest of the world laughing at us. very sad.

  12. NoseViper (The Nose knows) 12

    NZ First showing its dross side and Winnie showing how ambivalent he is about some standards. He can’t stand on the Winebox soapbox for ever to give him height and visibility.

    Prosser needs to go. We don’t want eejits like him fouling further our convoluted political playing field. You’re not allowed to do racial sledging in European football. Can’t politicians like Winston adopt some of the gravitas of his namesake. He could even take on the working rules of professional sport as guides to behaviour if there are none at present.

    • Rogue Trooper 12.1

      feckin’ “eejits”. (we must be the laughing stock of the pacific soup with clowns like prosser and wishart (good on ya Farrer)

  13. Te Reo Putake 13

    Good work from Hone Harawira stopping Prosser from trying to weasel out of the issue in Parliament:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8295162/Wogistan-MP-should-resign-Islamic-leader

  14. I don’t get it. The global MSM has been telling us that only Muslims are prone to terrorism even if it break the laws of Physics when they do. We have happily joined the coalition of the killing to “liberate” “catch Osama bin Laden” “liberate the women of Afghanistan” and other assorted lies of convenience and while we did not officially joined the cultural and physical destruction the SAS is or was present in Iraq and other country we were told filled with ragheads and other assorted dine names to describe the people who lived there. Not only that Muslims so we are told are unable to liberate themselves so we helped the Libyans with some Kinetic liberation and now we are gearing up to destroy ney liberate Syria on our way to Iran and Prossner is the racist?

    All he is doing is drawing the consequences of the 10 year Muslim vilification propaganda campaign. Muslims are not to be trusted and especially those of the warrior age. You never can tell. They might just up and attack you while you are on your way to some nice warm holiday country.

    If you believe that 19 young Arabs with box cutters broke the laws of Physics on 9/11 all because they hate our freedoms and have a different religion which makes them prone to irrational violence you are just as prejudice and racist as Prosser.

    • TheContrarian 14.1

      Why do you continue this “even if it break the laws of Physics when they do” BS.

      It has been shown to you several times that no one can break the laws of physics therefore no laws of physics were broken.

      • travellerev 14.1.1

        ROFL! Fuck, now that is an amazing way of circular reasoning!

        For those of you more intellectually inclined. The official story is impossible as that would mean all laws of physics would have to be violated. As dipshit here points out that is impossible so something other than the official CT must have taken place.

        • TheContrarian 14.1.1.1

          “The official story is impossible as that would mean all laws of physics would have to be violated.”

          No it doesn’t. Nothing that happened broke the laws of physics. But please explain what you think ‘broke the laws of physics’

          And all laws of physics? Even the strong nuclear force? Are you sure about that

          • McFlock 14.1.1.1.1

            thermo-nuclear-nano-thermite was secreted into photocopier toner cartridges by the illuminopaperazzi, that’s the only way buildings can collapse when fucking great aircraft fly into them.

            • higherstandard 14.1.1.1.1.1

              How dare you take the piss !

              Everyone not hoodwinked by the MSM knows it was the reverse vampires in league with the zombie overlords from Europa.

              • Colonial Viper

                Well, it would be so easy to get into this…just look out for the pyroclastically expanding clouds of high pressure ejecta as the Twin Towers collapsed.

                • McFlock

                  Oh. My. God. Pyroclastic flows! It all makes sense! The CIA wasn’t involved – the National Geographic Channel detonated a microsupervolcano right under WTC in order to milk massive revenue from anniversary specials for the next hundred years! THAT’s why they stick to the “official” MSM “hijack” story – they storyboarded it themselves months beforehand!

                  • Colonial Viper

                    *Shrug* you can see the high velocity horizontal flows of disintegrated building materials for yourself McFlock, in every piece of footage of the Tower collapses.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Yep, and you can see the planes being flown into them too. What’s more likely? That what we know happened happened or what loons think might have happened happened?

                      Edit: just for fun, what are the odds of it being anything other than the truth? 1 in 100? 1000? More?

                    • McFlock

                      Well that just demonstrates that you have no idea what a “pyroclastic flow” is. Or, indeed, what “horizontal” means.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Well that just demonstrates that you have no idea what a “pyroclastic flow” is. Or, indeed, what “horizontal” means.

                      meh.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      That what we know happened happened or what loons think might have happened happened?

                      *Shrug*

                      You may think that severe asymmetric damage to a skyscraper can lead to a completely balanced and symmetric collapse directly on to the skyscraper’s own footprint, but I do not.

                    • emergency mike

                      “Yep, and you can see the planes being flown into them too.”

                      Ah the old ‘da planes flew into da buildings and den dey fall down wut r u talkin fool’ response. Hey TRP here’s a thought, pretend the loons are right and the WTC buildings were taken down with explosives after the planes flew into them. In this scenario would you see planes being flown into the buildings? Yeah, you would. Doesn’t that make your comment a worthless pile of dung? Yeah, it does.

                      What’s more likely? What are the odds? More inanity. Either there was some kind of conspiracy or there wasn’t. Any attempt an calculating a probability is about as pointless as doing the same for the existence of God.

                      “That what we know happened happened or what loons think might have happened happened?”

                      There it is. You ‘know’ what happened. Well if you know something then anyone who disagrees with you must be wrong by definition right? QED. End of. This is what prompted me to comment.

                      I’m not a 911 ‘truther’ nor ‘debunker’, but I am open-minded. I watched one of travellerev’s youtube links once. It was some 2hr odd conference of experts presenting their reasons for their doubts about the official narrative from different perspectives. They weren’t loons, I didn’t see any tinfoil hats. They were intelligent and articulate, and highly qualified. Some of them were more persuasive than others, but at the end it was difficult to disagree that there were serious questions that deserved answers. But maybe the wikipedia geniuses here know better.

                      I value conspiracy theories as they invite us to question the status quo. Failure to see the value in that is a failure of the imagination. That doesn’t mean one should swallow them at face value, rather that I find it strange that people are happy to swallow the status quo at face value, like frightened sheep. That’s what it comes down to. People don’t like having their socially agreed upon construct of reality threatened. It would be better for their little minds if we all just sang la la la in unison.

                      We should be suspicious of what we think we ‘know’. We once knew that the earth was flat, and that the sun moved around us. Scientists laughed at Einstein’s theories when they were first published, musicians laughed when they first saw the first two bars of Beethoven’s fifth.

                      CV: “You may think that severe asymmetric damage to a skyscraper can lead to a completely balanced and symmetric collapse directly on to the skyscraper’s own footprint, but I do not.”

                      Me neither. Particularly concerning building 7.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      “completely balanced and symmetric collapse directly on to the skyscraper’s own footprint”

                      Where did that happen. Not in New York. You do know what a footprint is right? And how far debris from the buildings spread? or that you can argue for a ‘footprint collapse’ or a ‘pyroclasitc flow’ but not both?

                      ffs

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Mike: ” I find it strange that people are happy to swallow the status quo at face value”

                      Why do you assume people are doing that?

                      I too have watched plenty of eve’s videos ( And I’ll just wonder here again why so much truther stuff is in video form which makes fact checking and quoting cumbersome), but I then took time to check out the counter points. You should look deeper. Don’t just accept that these guys are being honest just becasue a few of them speak well. Question their narrative just as hard as you would the ‘official’ one. See what happens.

                      I’ve found that many of the things they say simply don’t stack up. they repeat clear and obvious falsehoods years after they have been debunked.

                    • emergency mike

                      “Why do you assume people are doing that?”

                      I was speaking generally rather than about anyone here or any particular issue. Maybe I wasn’t clear about that. I assume it because I see with my own eyes people unquestioningly parroting what the man on the TV told them all the time.

                      “I too have watched plenty of eve’s videos ( And I’ll just wonder here again why so much truther stuff is in video form which makes fact checking and quoting cumbersome), but I then took time to check out the counter points. You should look deeper. Don’t just accept that these guys are being honest just becasue a few of them speak well. Question their narrative just as hard as you would the ‘official’ one. See what happens.”

                      Ah yes but did you take the time to check out the counterpoints to the counterpoints? Now who’s making assumptions – did I say ‘I think they are are right because they sounded like such nice intelligent guys’? Or that I hadn’t checked out the debunking websites too? I’ve got my doubts about the official story, but I’ve got my doubts about my doubts too. I’m all for healthy scepticism, I just don’t like the closed-minded kind.

                      “I’ve found that many of the things they say simply don’t stack up. they repeat clear and obvious falsehoods years after they have been debunked.”

                      I’m not much interested in getting into the nuts and bolts of yet another 911 debate. I’ll leave that to blog warriors keener than I. My objection was to TRP’s stupid reply which I’ve heard one too many times.

                    • McFlock

                      Mike, this morning when you woke up, you had no idea whether the act of turning on a computer would blow up the planet.

                      I’m shocked that you didn’t keep an “open mind” about the possibility, and recklessly risked all our lives. Because calculating probabilities is pointless.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Now who’s making assumptions – did I say ‘I think they are are right because they sounded like such nice intelligent guys’?

                      It’s not a direct quote, but you did say:

                      It was some 2hr odd conference of experts presenting their reasons for their doubts about the official narrative from different perspectives. They weren’t loons, I didn’t see any tinfoil hats. They were intelligent and articulate, and highly qualified. Some of them were more persuasive than others, but at the end it was difficult to disagree that there were serious questions that deserved answers. But maybe the wikipedia geniuses here know better.

                      the bolded sections seem to imply that you found it difficult to disagree that there were serious questions because of the impression you had of their intelligence.

                      Or that I hadn’t checked out the debunking websites too?

                      No but you did say that “maybe the wikipedia geniuses here know better.” Which gives a pretty strong clue about how much follow up you did.

                    • emergency mike

                      One of them wore a tie that I quite liked. Some of them were more persuasive than others, but at the end it was difficult to disagree that there were serious questions that deserved answers.

                      PB are you going to conclude that the above implies that I found it difficult to disagree that there were serious questions because one of them wore a tie that I quite liked? I said they were intelligent and articulate, and highly qualified simply to counter TRP’s assertion that these people are ‘loons’ meaning lunatics I’m guessing. They didn’t look like lunatics. Did the fact that they didn’t look like lunatics persuade me? No PB, it didn’t. It was their arguments that I found persuasive.

                      Did I pledge my allegiance to team truther there and then? No, I didn’t. I’ve also seen a number of debunking websites and videos that were also persuasive to varying degrees. So as I’ve said, I have doubts about my doubts, but overall I’m left unsatisfied with the official story. Maybe all that means is that the official story has not been well elucidated, or maybe it means something else.

                      “No but you did say that “maybe the wikipedia geniuses here know better.” Which gives a pretty strong clue about how much follow up you did.”

                      Does it? Again I can’t see how you conclude y from x here… That sentence was meant as a dig at the blog warrior debunker compared to the highly qualified persons I was referring to. (I admit it’s a throwaway cheap-shot.)

                    • McFlock

                      Here’s the thing, EM.

                      I don’t believe that people can do even a tiny amount of research into an incident – any incident – and not form a pretty solid idea about what happened. They may be right or mistaken, but you obviously have opinions.

                      For example, when you said

                      CV: “You may think that severe asymmetric damage to a skyscraper can lead to a completely balanced and symmetric collapse directly on to the skyscraper’s own footprint, but I do not.”

                      Me neither. Particularly concerning building 7.

                      That seems to imply that you believe building 7 collapsed in a “completely balanced and symmetric” manner into it’s “own footprint”.
                      I think that if it had for whatever reason fallen in that way, that truly would have broken the laws of physics. Even controlled implosions don’t manage to do it. Therefore that description obviously does not marry with reality, therefore it is nutty.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Nah, your tie example is a non sequitur. It would make no sense to think someone was right just because of their tie.

                      I said you thought they were right because you thought they were intelligent; because that’s pretty much what you said. Admittedly, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either in that it’s a bit of a tautology but that’s your argument’s problem not mine.

                      It’s interesting that you found that many of their arguments were not convincing. It would be interesting to talk about that. But you said you don’t want to get into the details about what people are saying. That’s unfortunate, because it makes it nigh on impossible to make calls about how intelligent and reasonable they really were.

                      For example, if you found out that the repeated claims that ‘the towers fell at free fall speed and therefore must have been a controlled demolition’ were nonsense; then I would think that would tell someone quite a lot about the honesty and or understanding of the people who made such claims.

                      But that’s just me.

                    • emergency mike

                      “Mike, this morning when you woke up, you had no idea whether the act of turning on a computer would blow up the planet.

                      I’m shocked that you didn’t keep an “open mind” about the possibility, and recklessly risked all our lives. Because calculating probabilities is pointless.”

                      So being open to considering fringe theories means that I have to guard myself against the negative outcomes of every possible conceivable universe McFlock? Strawman much?

                      I’m afraid I’m not familiar with your turning on a computer can blow up the planet theory, but from what you’ve told me about it so far I’m not convinced. Nor interested.

                      My statement about calculating probabilities was specifically in reference to TRP’s ‘which 911 explanation is more likely’ and ‘what are the odds?’ questions. Asking for such a number is pointless. People will give different answers and all of them will be impossible to verify.

                      Even if there was a total consensus about the number it still wouldn’t mean anything. It would just be a measure of public perception about the probability of 911 being some kind of conspiracy. So what? How would that relate to the reality of whether or not it actually happened?

                      Unless the number was 42. That would definitely mean something.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      “My statement about calculating probabilities was specifically in reference to TRP’s ‘which 911 explanation is more likely’ and ‘what are the odds?’ questions. Asking for such a number is pointless. People will give different answers and all of them will be impossible to verify.”

                      Your last sentence also applies to 911 truth deniers. 12 years, no evidence. But a shitload of unverifiable theories of what “might” have happened. On the upside, nobody much gives a flying one about this crap any more. It’s rapidly heading into outer space to join Elvis on Mars.

                    • emergency mike

                      “I said you thought they were right because you thought they were intelligent; because that’s pretty much what you said. Admittedly, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either in that it’s a bit of a tautology but that’s your argument’s problem not mine.”

                      I’ll try once more. I added the sentence about seem being intelligent because TRP called them ‘loons’. That was the only reason. I did not say, nor did I mean to imply, that I believed them just because they seemed intelligent. That would be dumb. I hope this clears things up for you.

                      I’m not interested in discussing what they said since as I said, I’m not interested in a what really happened debate. That wasn’t my reason for posting. I’m sure if you joined in the fun over at your nearest truther blog you could have yourself a merry old time if that’s what you’re after.

                    • emergency mike

                      McFlock – Now that you mention it, buildings don’t even have feet. So it would be a logical impossibility for them to even have a footprint to fall into.

                      Sorry, like I said, not interested.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      ,i>I did not say, nor did I mean to imply, that I believed them just because they seemed intelligent. That would be dumb.

                      No less dumb than saying they weren’t loons because they seemed intelligent.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Awesome thread derail.

                      It’s almost like people defending their own belief systems to the (rhetorical) death.

                    • McFlock

                      I’m afraid I’m not familiar with your turning on a computer can blow up the planet theory, but from what you’ve told me about it so far I’m not convinced. Nor interested.

                      But apparently if I put on a suit and tie and did a youtube video, you might be. The sudden power drain could cause a cascading blackout that could interfere with Echelon signals and send HAARP a corrupted instruction that would irradiate the polar atmosphere, causing a catastrophic feedback loop in the earth’s magnetic core…

                      Oh, and look up “building footprint” in the dictionary. Borrow CV’s, after he’s looked up “pyroclastic”.

                    • TheContrarian

                      Look McFlock

                      A completely inept presidential administration was able to smuggle masses of thermite into a building with 24 hour security, including bomb sniffing dogs, so they could frame 19 Saudi highjackers in order to invade Afghanistan so they’d have justification to invade Iraq because what they really want to do is impose US hegemony on Iran.

                      It’s perfectly simple.

                    • McFlock

                      That’s exactly what they want us to think!

                      meh. I’m done with this episode of Idiot Fantasy Island.

                      d’oh edit: CV – smart enough to use a dictionary.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      You guys are so smart you must be right.

                    • TheContrarian

                      We’re through the looking glass now, gentleman

                    • emergency mike

                      But apparently if I put on a suit and tie and did a youtube video, you might be.

                      Oh look another strawman. Quelle surprise. You’re quite good at them though.

                • TheContrarian

                  pyroclastically ?

                  You use that word but I do not think it means what you think it means

    • bad12 14.2

      Not wishing to get the whole 9/11 debate going again and ruin the post i am going to say simply yes i agree with you,

      Getting back to Richard Prosser tho, sad sack of s**t that He is probably thinks that all the attention presently being focused upon Him is great,

      Who tho is the danger here, the Kiwi kid of Arab extraction living a few doors down from me polishing his old used car like it’s a Bentley or Prosser himself,

      Here’s an MP who in all reality has thrown a tantrum through the pages of ‘Investigate magazine’ because He got held up in a line at the airport for a security check,

      The above is not the truth though, that, the truth, got buried in the torrent of abhorrence leveled at the racist rubbish Prosser had written for that magazine, and so it should have been, the torrent of abhorrence that is,

      Prosser though has probably thanked His lucky stars that the focus,(as yet), has remained upon the abject stupidity of His comments and not on the FACT that Richard Prosser by His own admission tried to board the plane carrying a f**king KNIFE,

      Prosser who attempted to pass through the security check with a folding pocket knife on His person and then argued with airport security who refused to allow Him to proceed unless the folded pocket knife was handed over then went on to have printed the abusive racist rubbish that appeared in ‘investigate magazine’,

      That is the genesis of the Richard Prosser magazine article and i have to ask the question here again, just who is the more dangerous, the Kiwi-kid of obvious Arab extraction down the end of the street polishing His wheels until they shine or the MP from the NZFirst list attempting to board a flight at a NZ airport armed with a folded pocket knife in His possession,

      That’s actually borderline illegal, as far as my reading of NZ law goes it says that your allowed to carry a knife in a public place if you have a reasonable excuse for doing so,

      My view is that Richard Prosser the NZFirst MP should not only be given the kick from His Party and the Parliament He also should be the subject of a Police investigation to ascertain why He was carrying that folded pocket knife in the first place…

      • One Tāne Huna 14.2.1

        Um, plenty of people carry pocket knives. They can be used for many things. When you fly, though, you put it in your luggage (not hand luggage) or leave it at home. Pretty basic stuff these days. Prosser couldn’t even get that right either.

        • bad12 14.2.1.1

          Because ‘plenty of people carry pocket knives’ does not make such carriage legal, what ‘reasonable cause’ would you advance if you were searched by the plod and be found with such a knife in your possession,

          What reasonable excuse does a Member of the New Zealand Parliament have for the carriage of a pocket knife, especially attempting to board a domestic air flight in possession of one when the very security checks that provoked His abysmal display of racism was to detect people carrying the very thing that was found on His person…

          • McFlock 14.2.1.1.1

            Forgot to take it out of his pocket in the rush for the plane. Same reasonable excuse everyone else has when transitioning from a public area to a higher security area.

            • Roy 14.2.1.1.1.1

              On the contrary, the Dom-Post this morning said Prosser has carried it as hand-luggage some 30 times. That means he has broken regulations some 30 times, of course. This was not a single instance of forgetfulness. CArrying a knife in the cabin is something he is in the habit of doing.

              • Colonial Viper

                Ahhhh the appearance of boarding security in airports but with no actual security. Great.

            • bad12 14.2.1.1.1.2

              Its illegal to carry a knife in public without having a reasonable excuse…

              • McFlock

                Yes. Reasonable. Like “I might need to cut, screw, saw or scrape something”.

                • bad12

                  Your use of the word ‘might’ takes away the reasonable cause, that you might have to do something doesn’t make ‘reasonable cause’,

                  You ‘might’ get away with, ”i am meeting my mate down at the wharf to go fishing, he has the rods and asked me to bring a knife to cut up the bait”,

                  Of course the plods having plenty of time these days might just check that story out and spank you for the BS…

                  • McFlock

                    Nope. It might be a reasonable preparation to make.

                    The police might take it to court to test the excuse, but that’s all a trial is for. Unless it was an obvious weapon and my excuse was completely bogus (e.g. if I made the fishing excuse for a 30cm blade, but had never been fishing in my life) then the reasonable excuse thing comes into play.

                    The obvious point is that the “weapon” prosser had to mail home was a piddly little number that was a reasonable utility/pocket knife. I very much doubt it was a Rambo-blade. Otherwise it would have been confiscated and a charge could follow.

                    The point is that we don’t need to walk around, terrified that something we need to carry for even sentimental reasons might result in us being charged with a weapon-carrying offense. Not if we’re reasonable folk who view things as tools, not weapons.

                    Ever seen a hat pin, as a woman might wear to a formal party?
                    Purely decorative, yet smaller prison shanks have killed…

          • One Tāne Huna 14.2.1.1.2

            Reasonable cause? To carry a multi-purpose tool? Are you for real?

            “Essential Gear:

            Pocket knife, flash-light, magnifying glass, needle and thread, matches, a marble, pencil and paper, a handkerchief, band-aids and fish-hooks.”

            The Dangerous Book For Boys Conn Iggulden.

            [summarised by OAB]

            and what McFlock said.

            • bad12 14.2.1.1.2.1

              The dangerous book for boys might not be a very good guide to what is actually legal in this country,

              According to the Police and the law it is illegal to carry a knife in a public place without reasonable excuse,

              http://www.police.govt.nz/node/23130

              http://www.police.govt.nz/service/firearms/swords-knives.html

              http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0113/latest/DLM53545.html

              http://www.legislation.govt.nz/pdlink.aspx?id=DLM329710

              Like to see any of you lot strolling up to one of the local plod saying ha ha ha i have a pocket knife and there is nothing you can do about it,

              Possess a pocket knife for peeling the oranges perhaps??? better be carrying the fruit with you if the plods ever get to search you and find that pocket knife,

              Still begs the question why does NZFirst MP Richard Prosser carry with Him an offensive weapon???to defend Himself against the odd muslim terrorist that might stray His way perhaps???…

              • McFlock

                It is legal to carry a knife, if you have a reasonable purpose for it.
                Self defense is not reasonable.

                Little knives are often useful. This is reasonable.
                Rapiers aren’t usually useful. They are not reasonable.

                He doesn’t carry an offensive weapon.
                He carries a tool (as well as being one himself).
                The fact it is regarded as a TOOL and not a weapon is a reasonable excuse for a small pocket knife.
                The difference generally involves possible uses, length, number of blade edges, shape of blade, conceal-ability (is it disguised as a pen or credit card?), speed in deployment (flick knives / one-handed opening) and, of course, whether you wave it in somebody’s face or stick it in their gut.

                As for your “oranges” example, “immediacy of use” isn’t in the criteria. “Reasonable” is. All I have to do is say that I planned to buy oranges for lunch. Whether that is a plausible excuse for a reasonable purpose depends entirely on the context of the situation. I actually have encountered folks who did the equivalent (for other rules/laws) of that “nothing you can do about it” attitude. That merely gave an incentive to find something else they were doing that I could “do something about” – if only to teach them a bit of courtesy and humility.

                Given that you seem to have difficulty understanding the word “reasonable”, I suggest that you avoid carrying any tool or object that could be construed as a weapon. Including car keys or a pencil.

                • bad12

                  Ever been arrested for something Mac, i will guess no that’s why you sit there tapping your spurious bullshit into this post,

                  As far as the word reasonable goes it is not my definition of the word that counts, it is the definition firstly of the plods and then secondly the courts that defines what in a legal sense is reasonable,

                  Get arrested for driving while disqualified and when the plods search you at the shop and find that pocket knife you get charged with possession of an offensive weapon, that’s what actually happens in the real world which obviously doesn’t encompass you sitting in front of your PC wanking on about the word reasonable…

                  • bad12

                    It is also illegal under NZ civil aviation law to carry onto an air-plane (1),anything that could be used as an offensive weapon, and (2), any knife with a blade 60cm or more in length…

                  • McFlock

                    Yep.
                    Commission of a crime. And of course the “while disqualified” is an automatic contempt of cop.

                    Been present at a few arrests – enough to know when an officer is willing to use all the law, and when they might let little irrelevancies slide with a warning or whatever. But each officer has different tolerances. Which decrease dramatically if they think you’re a dick.

  15. aerobubble 15

    prosser ? who?

    sorry, Key wants us to believe that refugees want to come to NZ despite Australia booming and the fact that if they land in NZ waters they wont get access to OZ welfare when they move across the ditch looking for a living wage. No refugee is wanting to come to NZ when a quick right turn will see then landing on Australias easter seaboard (if they coming south for NZ).

    prosser?

  16. Maybe we should be discussing the ‘McCarthy’ way ‘we’ have all been coned into thinking ‘Muslims’ are a danger to us?
    Multinational companies (and maternity wards) are way worse, and have helped set humankind on a non stop ride to extinction. Muslims have helped, but no more than any other ethnic group … as a mass…
    It has been mostly our ability to run from facts that has killed us off.
    I really can’t play the blame game, in the end humans are just stupid.

  17. Foreign Waka 17

    Mr Prosser made a stupid comment, felt righteous and got carried away. We will not be able to really understand his motivation why he has had this put in writing and published too. He has however, a responsibility towards the people of the country (all of them), the parliament and his party and should understand his obligation to stand down.

    • Te Reo Putake 17.1

      Yep. Remind me again what what happened to Paul Holmes after ‘cheeky darky’? Sacked wasn’t he? It’s waaaay beyond that level of stupid, so why’s Prosser waiting? Does Winston not like the next one on the list?

      Edit: Helen Mulford, since noone’s asking. Got a bad case of the David Moyes’ eyes, so should fit right in! http://vote.co.nz/2011/candidates/profile/helen-mulford

      • Foreign Waka 17.1.1

        Maybe Mr Prosser his trying to hold on and it is a bit tricky to just toss someone out. I am sure that god’s mill grinds slowly but is still inescapable….

  18. xtasy 18

    All I can and will say on this is: Prosser made a real “dick” of himself, and it is not the first time he has done so. It does not display much intelligence, particularly re the anti muslim rant. I do not consider this “racist”, as criticising people’s religion is of a bit different a category. He may to some have earned himself the “racist” tag by going on about “Wogistan”, but I feel that is not sufficient for that.

    Prosser lives in South Islandistan, which is in large part a good part of the country, but also has some bizarre, backward minded individuals live here and there, who are not that enlightened about the rest of the world. Some “have it off” with sheep I hear, do not take my word for it though.

    So that is, from my view, where Prosser comes from. He better get another life, as I feel, no matter how desperate Winston may be to keep his crew together, his days could well be numbered.

    Even Winston has learned by now, that such narrow minded ignorance, let alone anti religious or even racist ranting, will not help him and their cause at all. He has to count every voter and member, and some of them, as he admitted, may well be some conservative minded muslims who cherish NZ.

    Yes, even muslims and other religious or non religious members of NZ society are standing up for this country, so Winston has learned this, and Prosser will have to learn it, or join the National Front, perhaps?!

  19. Jenny 19

    Prosser is not sorry, Prosser is a liar.

    Justifying his racist outburst by claiming emotional distress. Prosser claimed on National Radio that he had been upset that a treasured personal gift, he had owned for years, to wit a pocket knife had been confiscated at the airport by security.

    ‘This is understandable, he was upset, he didn’t really mean what he’d written.’

    However it turns out, this is a deliberate lie made up to cover for his racist abuse.

    Prosser’s precious pocket knife wasn’t confiscated at all.

    Far from confiscating the knife, security officials ‘‘facilitiated’’ Prosser back to the Air New Zealand counter where the knife was put through as checked in baggage.


    VERNON SMALL, ANDREA VANCE, HAMISH RUTHERFORD AND NICOLE PRYOR
    MP should resign

    Will Winston Peters expel Prosser for being an unrepentant racist?

    For misleading the public as to his motives, will Winston Peters expel Prosser for being an unrepentant racist, and a liar to cover up the fact?

    Or is New Zealand First a safe haven for sexists and racists?

    • Jenny 19.1

      “I’m apologising unreservedly”

      Richard Prosser

      By lying?

      I don’t think so.

      This is not an unreserved apology until Prosser also apologises for misleading the public as to his motive.

  20. Jenny 20

    Winston Peters tries to deflect criticism of his openly racist MP with an unjustified sexist indignity directed at the Minister.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8295162/Wogistan-MP-should-resign-Islamic-leader

    “Ethnic Affairs Minister Judith Collins said Prosser can’t return to Parliament with any credibility and should apologise to the whole of New Zealand.

    “Judith Collins should stop behaving like Joan Collins, okay,” Peters retorted.”

  21. Just because some Muslims/insert religious or ethnic group here, commit crimes or terrorism doesn’t make the entire group criminals or terrorists. Prosser seems like he is attempting to be the Geert Wilders of the South Pacific.

  22. aerobubble 22

    Look this is just a complete distraction, Prosser was the weak link on the right and so had to up his game to distract us all from the real menace to Democracy in NZ. The way in which Keys government consistent abuse the law and commonsense.

    Take the nonsense over refugees. Refugees who want to goto OZ for the lifestyle will target NZ… ….so what… …they can be second class kiwis in OZ!!! Please. How is it refugees are supposed to be no different and can be also placed in detention whether they land in NZ or OZ, yet kiwis living in OZ have to subsidies Aussie welfare but not get that same welfare assistance?

    Now, sure Howard could do whatever he wanted, Clark could do nothing to stop Howard, it is of course a Australian policy that makes kiwis into second class citizens, and well thinking about it, if your a rich Kiwi in NZ why wouldn’t you want t harvest kiwi wages in Australia, I mean they should get away, if they are going to get paid more in OZ we sure can’t have that, given how little we pay here.

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    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
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    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • No time for self-pity
    After 23 meetings across the largest non-Maori electorate in the country – almost all of which went fantastically, approx 4,500km on the odometer, positive MSM and social media coverage, and polling well, I admit my team and I headed to...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • The 30 second speech that could have saved the Moment of Truth
    As the dust settles and we struggle to understand what the bloody hell happened on Saturday, many point to Kim’s failure at the Moment of Truth to present his evidence. I think that Kim was poorly advised and that politics requires a...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Internet MANA and the 2014 election
    It was always going to be a hard task for Hone Harawira to hold onto his Te Tai Tokerau seat when the political establishment united in a coalition to defeat him and the chance for Internet MANA to bring more...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Unity in Action
    Yes the Left have taken a drubbing, but never mind, time to pick ourselves up off the floor, patch up our wound pride, dust ourselves off, cast around for our friends and allies, and re-enter the fray. Lots of work...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • A Fiji democratic mandate for the coup leader – what now for the media?
    Attorney-General Sayad-Khaiyum and Rear-Admiral (Ret) Voreqe Bainimarama’s Fiji First party is poised to lead the country in the next four years. Photo: Mads Anneberg, an AUT Pacific Media Centre student on internship in Suva with Repúblika Magazine and Pacific Scoop...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Why I voted Labour and why 2017 will be different
    As a 3nd and 5th generation Kiwi-Indian (depending on which side of the family we have to go with), my relationship with New Zealand is a special one. Like other New Zealanders who are not of the Caucasian variety, the...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Humble Pie
    Oh. My. God. This was a heartbreaking nightmare. I was wrong, horribly, horribly, horribly wrong. I honestly believed that the resources, the media attention, the vile toxic politics exposed by Dirty Politics and the mass surveillance lies would have seen...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Election 2014; A Post-mortem; a Wake; and one helluva hang-over
    .   . It would be fair to say that the results for Election 2014 did not go as anticipated. The Left has had a drubbing – and some of it was of our own making. In other aspects, there...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Reward offered in latest seal shooting
    It is with shock and dismay that our organization learns of the latest shooting of a New Zealand fur seal, this one on Stewart Island. This is the third such crime to reach our attentions since May this year and...
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Taxpayers Forgotten in Ministerial Horse-Trading
    Responding to the Prime Minister’s comments reported on Radio New Zealand , that he is considering giving Act MP David Seymour a ministerial role because “When they have more staffing and resources as a result of a junior ministerial role...
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Labour’s Defeat Points to a Forgotten Target Market
    With the devastating defeat for the Labour Party in the election, Labour seems to have lost touch with what resonates with New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Cunliffe may survive year but doomed by end of 2015
    NZ First is expected to take one seat off Labour once special votes are counted, maintaining the election-night result that John Key’s National Party will be able to govern alone, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders...
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Making All New Zealand the Place Talent Wants to Live
    The development of the provinces is becoming a major issue for New Zealand, and for the new Government. Television New Zealand’s Sunday programme (21 September) addressed the plight of towns such as Whanganui, where jobs and populations are declining....
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • China’s booming torture trade revealed
    The flourishing trade, manufacture and export of tools of torture by Chinese companies is fuelling human rights violations across Africa and Asia, new research by Amnesty International and the Omega Research Foundation reveals....
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • President Obama Congratulates Key
    The President called Prime Minister Key late last evening to congratulate him on his third electoral victory....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Seven Pasifika MPs elected – highest number ever
    AUCKLAND ( Pacific Media Watch / The New Zealand Herald ): The highest number of Pasifika MPs elected in New Zealand's history were voted in at the weekend general election....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • LGNZ congratulates National
    LGNZ congratulates National Local Government New Zealand (LGNZ) congratulates re-elected Prime Minister John Key and the National led government on winning their third consecutive term following Saturday’s general election. LGNZ President Lawrence Yule acknowledges...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • The Letter – 22 September 2014
    John Key’s win is historic. In the history of MMP elections – worldwide – ever – no government has won an absolute majority. MMP was imposed on Germany to make sure that country never had another Hitler. It is designed...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election Coverage – None Better Than Trans Tasman
    To get a steer on what was going to happen in the election - away from the histrionics of the mainstream coverage - the best place to go was The Main Report Group’s weekly political report Trans Tasman....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Federated Farmers intemperate
    For the second time in a week Federated Farmers has made intemperate and provocative comments on environmental issues, says EDS....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • MP’s Stolen Items Recovered
    Following a complaint to Parliamentary Services today [ September 19 ], items which had been stolen from NZ First MP Andrew Williams’ Wellington parliamentary office have been recovered and returned....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election results bad news for those on benefits
    Beneficiary Advocate Kay Brereton says, “ The election result holds no good news for people on benefits, National campaigned successfully with their beneficiary bashing agenda, and will now believe their punitive treatment of beneficiaries has the support...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Opportunity to progress water infrastructure
    “National’s re-election is an opportunity to develop the infrastructure New Zealand needs to provide surety of water for agriculture, town drinking water supply, waterways, recreational use and to future proof the country from climate change,” says Andrew...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Wellington City joins the global call for 100% clean
    At 1:00 pm, residents and visitors of Wellington gathered at the summit of Mt Victoria to join the millions strong call for a 100% clean future....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Hikoi with us from Cape Reinga to Auckland Oil Conference!
    Monday 22 September 2014: Maori from different tribal areas along the western length of Northland are organising a hikoi starting on Saturday to a Government oil conference in Auckland to make sure that Norwegian oil giant Statoil gets the message:...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls
    Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls National re-elected to third term with record high vote as Labour slumps to worst result in over 90 years...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National-led Government wins mandate for RMA reforms
    An unprecedented increase in support for the third-term National Party, the best electoral performance since 1899, has delivered a clear mandate for reform of the Resource Management Act says Federated Farmers. “Vital reforms to the RMA have...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • New Zealand says no to Culture of Death
    Right to Life is pleased that the people of New Zealand have rejected a culture of death by refusing to elect a Labour/Green government that supported the decriminalisation of abortion....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Steven Joyce
    CORIN Steven Joyce if we could start with how things are going to look now with your support partners. Can you just run us through, National can technically govern alone on what you’ve got at the moment, do you think...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Kelvin Davis
    SUSAN Well earlier this morning, just before we came to air in fact, Corin spoke to Kelvin Davis, one of the big winners of the night, the new MP for Te Tai Tokerau....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – David Cunliffe
    CORIN Joining me now is Labour Leader, David Cunliffe. Good morning to you Mr Cunliffe. This is a tough result for Labour, how much personal responsibility do you take for this....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Grey Power congratulates Key
    Grey Power National President Terry King congratulated John Key for his party’s “resounding win “ in yesterday’s election and hoped that the new National Government would look hard at issues affecting the ever–growing number of older New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • EMA congratulates PM John Key and National
    The Employers and Manufacturers Association extend hearty congratulations to the re-election of Prime Minister John Key and National....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Helen Clark Receives Inaugural Women’s Health Rights Award
    Helen Clark was honoured as the first recipient of the Women’s Health Rights Award at the 121st Woman’s Suffrage event held in Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National deal with New Zealand First unlikely
    The National party is unlikely to offer a confidence and supply agreement to New Zealand First according to Dr Ryan Malone, Director Training and Research at Civicsquare....
    Scoop politics | 20-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
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    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
    Insights Issue 35/2014 - 19 September 2014 In This Issue • RMA reform the golden unicorn of policy | Jenesa Jeram...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
    We are students, university staff, and members of the community. Whichever parties form a government after September 20th, we are demanding an end to corporatisation of education....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
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