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Our international shame

Written By: - Date published: 7:41 am, February 13th, 2013 - 191 comments
Categories: International - Tags: , ,

It’s not often I agree with Judith Collins but when she describes Richard Prosser’s racist filth as an “international embarrassment” I couldn’t agree more.

That said, her government’s collusion in the Pacific Solution is probably even more damaging to our international reputation. New Zealand has long had an international reputation for being a fair dealer, a nation that leads on human rights issues and the environment. But this government has backtracked on both.

I could make economic arguments about how this brand damage will cost us (and it will) but to be frank, I’m sick of the bullshit game of monetising everything in order to ascribe it value. Which is to say we shouldn’t be as worried about what this costs us as we should be about the fact we are a better nation than this and we should be aspiring to be better.

In the meantime, yes, Winston needs to sack Prosser. But while we’ve got a government willing to dog-whistle on refuges and an opposition that colludes in those dog-whistles (such as David Shearer refusing to state he’d scrap Key’s Pacific Solution policy) I’m not holding my breath. If he does go I suspect it’ll be more for how explicit he made himself rather than the sentiments he expressed.

Update: Darien Fenton has pointed out some of the work she’s done on the Pacific Solution issue and it’s good solid Labour values stuff. I just wish David Shearer’s line had been that strong from the start.

191 comments on “Our international shame”

  1. Matthew Hooton 1

    Winston can’t sack Prosser. Winston agrees with Prosser. See for example http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10338138 Apparently, moderate Muslims shield fundamentalist, terrorist Muslims. This guy became Helen Clark’s foreign minister and is your next coalition partner, or ours, or preferably no ones.

    • Well Matthew Key seems to be backing away from his refusal to negotiate with Peters or NZ First despite his earlier “principled” stance. Not so principled now is he.

    • Skinny 1.2

      Yes and we know where all those disgruntled ACT & National voters are going to turn too. Good old Winston Peters and his NZ First Party. And your acutely aware Matthew that Peters holds a revengeful grudge against National & ACT for the smear campaign they ran against him a couple elections ago.

      Revenge is sweet Hootan! that is why he will not run with Key.

      • Pascal's bookie 1.2.1

        They also hold a grudge because Don Brash stole their immigration policy

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10366124

        Hooten doesn’t like to talk about those days though.

      • Pascal's bookie 1.2.2

        And here’s another one:

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10402759

        because when you tak to a Muslim there’s a good chance you’ve talked to a terrist by gad.

      • Pascal's bookie 1.2.3

        But the revenge Winston would really want would be to brought back home to national. He’d far rather make Key eat crow by having him at his side than anything else.

        • Matthew Hooton 1.2.3.1

          I agree with that. If it came down to it, and Key would deal with Peters, then I think Peters would choose National over Labour/Green.

          • vto 1.2.3.1.1

            What motivations lie behind your posts Mr Hooton? What are they intended to achieve? Merely some blog banter of banality? Or online oratory of other outcome?

          • Skinny 1.2.3.1.2

            Oh come on Matthew this is about starting a smear campaign early to frighten ‘both’ left & right supporters so NZFirst don’t get to the 5% threshold. The likelihood of Peters choosing National is slim as you well know.

            • Colonial Viper 1.2.3.1.2.1

              What? National’s mates are targetting Winnie again? Shit these guys are slow learners.

              Winston, stand that fucker down. If not for racism, then for extreme bad judgement in publishing his racist views and then standing by them.

          • Andre 1.2.3.1.3

            Patrick Gower ‏@patrickgowernz
            Key & Shearer are so desperate for power both are prepared to do deal with Winston’s #Wogistan #prosser party BLOG:

    • The Al1en 1.3

      “or ours”

      Like you’d have anything to do with it except peddle their bullshit and sniff for crumbs.
      Ours :lol:

    • BLiP 1.4

      .

      Winston can do what he likes, regardless of whether he’s using Prosser to round up the provincial and rugby club oiks that would otherwise vote for National Ltd™. I’m sure it suits Winston to have a kamikaze MP on hand to keep the publicity up. Nothing worse than not being talked about. In the meantime, Prosser and John Key share something in common . . .

      “. . . the good news is that I was having dinner with Ngati Porou as opposed to their neighbouring iwi, which is Tuhoe, in which case I would have been dinner, which wouldn’t have been quite so attractive,” he said . . .

      . . . an international reputation for being ignorant bigots, the pair of them.

  2. ak 2

    Ah. Winnie-bash time comes around again in Hooterville. Quite rightly too, he’s a real worry to his old Bash party, eating his parents. The Great Brown Tory Hope of yesteryear now demonised for what he was intensely nurtured, by the very same venal scum.

    Yes, admirable sentiments from Collins: someone dig up her comments on Orewa One and compare and contrast……

    • Pascal's bookie 2.1

      Or the Civil Union Bill readings.

    • Jackal 2.2

      Are you guys talking about the same Judith Collins who said this:

      Guyon Spiner: How can it be that we lock up people at double the rate of France?

      Judith Collins: Well what we have for instance is we have say 15% of the population Maori…

      Has everyone got that? Bigotry against Muslims not OK… racism against Maori bonza beaut mate!

      Interestingly the Sallies report (PDF) released today that looks into incarceration rates has confirmed that Maori are discriminated against by the Police and our judiciary system. Just following the ministers directive I suppose.

      • marty mars 2.2.1

        + 1 Exactly right Jackal

      • NickS 2.2.2

        And you can guarantee talk back will be filled with morons claiming that their the ones being discriminated against, with a unhealthy dose of “it teh Maori’s own faultz!11!!” on the side over this.

      • Rogue Trooper 2.2.3

        Excellent Jackal

      • TheContrarian 2.2.4

        Are you accusing Collins of being bigoted toward Maori, Jackal?

        Why don’t you post the whole quote:

        “JUDITH: Well what we have for instance is we have say 15% of the population Maori, we have 51% of our prison population’s Maori. That’s a shocking statistic.”

        Followed by:

        “JUDITH: Well I don’t think the Maori population are the cause of crime. Not at all. “

        • Rogue Trooper 2.2.4.1

          hows things?

        • Te Reo Putake 2.2.4.2

          Cheers, TC. That was a cheap, cowardly shot from The Jackal and not the first time he’s left out crucial information in a post in order to big himself up.

          Poor form, Jackal. Do you have the cojones to apologise to Collins and TS readers?

        • vto 2.2.4.3

          ha. The steaming cesspit of NZ’s race relations continues to emit odours from all those who shit.

        • Jackal 2.2.4.4

          TheConformist

          Are you accusing Collins of being bigoted toward Maori, Jackal?

          No! What I’m saying is that Collins, the Police and the judiciary system are all prejudiced against Maori.

          Here’s what Sallies state in their recent report:

          Over the six years covered by this data, Maori males have been up to 30% more likely than non-Maori males to be prosecuted by Police for the same or similar crime.

          Their’s isn’t the first research to show such racism within government institutions either.

          • TheContrarian 2.2.4.4.1

            Collins was expressing her shock at the fact we have such a large Maori population in jail.

            Your slimy quote mine implied Judith Colin blamed the fact we had 15% Maori population as the cause of crime. As TRP says “That was a cheap, cowardly shot”

            That is dishonest and untrue by a mere cursory glance at the actual comment.

            The adult response would be to retract your comment

          • Te Reo Putake 2.2.4.4.2

            More self serving rubbish, Jackal. Here is your comment:

            “Has everyone got that? Bigotry against Muslims not OK… racism against Maori bonza beaut mate!”

            That’s based on your cynical misrepresentation of what Collins said. Its a form of lying to deliberate give a false impression in order to make an unwarranted smear.

            • Jackal 2.2.4.4.2.1

              There’s nothing to apologise for as my assertion is based on the evidence that’s provided. If you want to ignore the evidence and that Collins is responsible as a minister, go right ahead. She’s a bigot because she doesn’t even acknowledging that there’s a problem of racism within the judiciary and Police force… Ignorant like you guys.

              • TheContrarian

                Nothing in what Collins actually said in the interview betrays any sort of bigotry despite your crude and dishonest attempt.
                This has nothing to do with claimed inherent racism in the police force and has everything to do with you implying Judith Colin blamed the fact we had 15% Maori population as the cause of crime through a dishonest quote mine.

                You are being extremely dishonest. But I expect that from you.

                • Jackal

                  You really do have a bee in your bonnet about this eh TheComformist.

                  Nothing in what Collins actually said in the interview betrays any sort of bigotry despite your crude and dishonest attempt.

                  So let’s quote the entire relevant part then:

                  GUYON But how can those two things be true Minister, how can it be that we lock up people at double the rate of France?

                  JUDITH Well what we have for instance is we have say 15% of the population Maori, we have 51% of our prison population’s Maori. That’s a shocking statistic. It’s also true for other countries, for instance Australia, there are some parts of Australia where they have 3% of the population is Aboriginal but 30% of the prison population is.

                  GUYON So that’s the difference?

                  JUDITH I think the fact is, is that when we have a quite significant group of people who unfortunately often feel that they are not part of the system, not part of the social connections that the rest of us have, there is more of a likelihood towards crime.

                  In other words Collins is saying that it’s all te Maoris fault that they commit crime because they aren’t a part of society.

                  Could you highlight where Collins states that it’s prejudices within the Police force and judiciary system (which the research shows is the main reason for higher incarceration rates of Maori) within her pontifications there or anywhere TheConformist?

                  Purposefully ignoring the problem when Collins has the power to make changes is also racism.

                  In regard to Richard Prosser’s racism, it’s clear that Collins was simply scoring cheap political points against NZ First, while harboring racist sentiments herself. We usually call such people hypocrites!

                  You are being extremely dishonest. But I expect that from you.

                  I’m not sure how my opinion can be dishonest, but more importantly are you going to acknowledge that the research is correct or not?

                  • Mary

                    Collins is correctly pointing out that crime is often the consequence in situations where those committing the crime do not feel part of society. The inference is that Maori are over-represented in the crime statistics because of this reason. The problem is that Collins is blaming the individual person for feeling “that they are not part of the system, not part of the social connections that the rest of us have…” Collins’ expectation then is that Maori should just sort themselves out and start ‘feeling part of society’ otherwise we’ll just keeping locking ‘em up. That’s where the difference of opinion here is. For Collins it’s all very simple: be good or we’ll get you. But of course Collins is no intellectual so that’s all we can expect from her and those of her ilk.

                    • Foreign Waka

                      Regardless of the ethnicity of anyone committing a crime, perhaps it has escaped you all that a person has a CHOICE, to do the crime or not. Simple as that. To contort this in any other way is just an excuse to go and kill, maim, steal and pilferage of the fellow citizen whose CHOICE is to be honest. There are many people who do not feel part of the society; recent immigrants, refugees, some of the disabled, elderly etc. who CHOOSE not to do the crime.

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Baby steps. What overlying factors influence people’s “choices”, Foreign Waka?

                    • Jackal

                      Foreign Waka

                      We’re talking about the CHOICE of the Police and the judiciary system to discriminate against Maori Foreign Waka, which the research clearly shows is the case.

                      Whether Maori undertake more crime on average than non Maori because they choose to has not been established… It is however likely that Maori undertake more crimes of necessity because they’re marginalized to a greater extent by a discriminatory system than non Maori.

                      What has been established beyond a doubt however is that Maori are discriminated against by the Police, and this is one of the main reasons for a higher Maori incarceration rate in New Zealand. Change that aspect of our Police culture and we will see reductions in the Maori incarceration rate.

                • TheContrarian

                  Now you are shifting the goal posts Jackal.
                  Another dishonest technique.

                  You selectively quoted Collins to make it sound as if she was implying the fact we had 15% Maori population as the cause of crime.

                  That is dishonest.

                  • Jackal

                    Nup! I’m still talking about the Q+A statement and the research I highlighted in my first comment.

                    Did you like it how she tried to justify our high rate of Maori incarceration by saying there’s lots of Aboriginals in Australian jails as well, and that makes it all OK does it?

                    What about the follow up of what National will do about the issue? As you obviously haven’t bothered to read the research, our recidivism rates haven’t improved at all, so effectively National has done nothing!

                    • TheContrarian

                      You selectively quoted Collins to make it sound as if she was implying the fact we had 15% Maori population as the cause of crime.

                      Dishonest.

                      And now you try to imply that she was trying to justify by comparing it to Australia. Which is also dishonest because she isn’t justifying it – she thinks it is shocking, not that it is OK.

                      Jesus man, you a fucking terrible at this

                    • Jackal

                      Could somebody fix that stuck record please?

              • Te Reo Putake

                What evidence did you provide, Jackal? Half a quote which destroys the context and meaning of the full comment is not evidence of anything but your own mendacity.

                • Jackal

                  There’s six years of research by the Salvation Army to begin with… Why not start there Daveo. Oops! I mean Te Reo Putake.

                  • Rogue Trooper

                    u r a pretty cool ol’ dog in your own way

                  • Te Reo Putake

                    More self serving rubbish. You lied to smear Collins. Weak, disrespectful and lazy.

                    • TheContrarian

                      All Jackals dodging doesn’t change his selective dishonest quoting.

                    • Rogue Trooper

                      how come you don’t put a comprehensive “post” together T?

                    • Jackal

                      Just incase you hadn’t noticed, I’ve quoted the entire relevant part now TheConformist… In my opinion it still makes Collins look like a bigot!

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      “Just in case you hadn’t noticed, I’ve quoted the entire relevant part now TheConformist… In my opinion it still makes Collins look like a bigot!”

                      So what? Have you got the guts to acknowledge you were wrong to selectively misquote her to make your ‘bigot’ smear look accurate? The story here isn’t Collins, it’s your dishonesty.

                      So what’s more important to you? Collins or your credibility?

                    • TheContrarian

                      He won’t do it. He’ll come up with some kind of squirm to get out of the fact he was being dishonest and disingenuous.

                      My 2 yr old niece has greater self awareness than Jackal.

                    • Jackal

                      Wow! You guys are real loyal Judith Collins fans.

                      Te Reo Putake

                      So what? Have you got the guts to acknowledge you were wrong to selectively misquote her to make your ‘bigot’ smear look accurate?

                      I wasn’t wrong to select the most relevant part to what Collins said to support my argument that she’s racist TRP.

                      Oh look… Labour MP Chris Hipkins also used the same quote. Here’s what he says about it:

                      I don’t think the rest of Collins quote makes her look any better. Her first response when asked why NZ had a higher imprisonment rate than other countries was to say it was because of our Maori population. Her “them and us” attitude reflects the National Party’s “Iwi/Kiwi” heritage, yet the Maori Party continue to support them in government.

                      If you feel so strongly about it, why don’t you make a formal complain about Hipkins to Labour TRP?

                      The story here isn’t Collins, it’s your dishonesty.

                      You haven’t established that I’ve been dishonest… You are welcome to believe that there’s a “story” concerning the quote I used if you like, although I think you’re being a bit delusional.

                      So what’s more important to you? Collins or your credibility?

                      Clearly the fact that we have a bigot as the Minister of Justice, ACC and Ethnic Affairs is far more important than whether you think I’m credible or not TRP.

                      The Conformist

                      He won’t do it. He’ll come up with some kind of squirm to get out of the fact he was being dishonest and disingenuous.

                      By “squirm” do you mean that I simply disagree with you both?

                      My 2 yr old niece has greater self awareness than Jackal.

                      As usual your argument is based on ad hominem drivel TC… You and TRP cannot even bring yourselves to acknowledge the evidence I’ve supplied that supports my argument. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      More bullshit, Jackal. Hipkins was just as wrong as you and like you, he was quickly pulled up in the comments for being dishonest. He. like you, then tries to weasel out of it. So fucken what? You’re both full of shit. Admittedly, its worse for Hipkins; he’s a paid professional and you’re just a hopeless amateur, but lying is still lying. And you, pal, are a liar.

                    • Jackal

                      You haven’t established that I was dishonest TRP by using the relevant part of Judith Collins’ statement, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.

                      I suspect your the type of guy who screams feckless insults at his neighbors as well, and you’re the only one on that Red Alert post from July 2010 claiming that Chris Hipkins was dishonest… You really look a bit foolish!

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      More lies! Read the comments, fool. Still, you did make me pissed enough at the dishonesty of Hipkins that I posted a comment 3 years after the event. That’ll show ‘em!

                      By the way, now that we know you cribbed the whole thing from Hipkins, without attribution, how does that make you less dishonest?

                    • Jackal

                      Te Reo Putake

                      More lies! Read the comments, fool. Still, you did make pissed enough at the dishonesty of Hipkins that I posted a comment 3 years after the event. That’ll show ‘em!

                      Nobody else is calling Hipkins a liar or dishonest in the forty odd comments there TRP… You’re clearly out on a limb all by yourself.

                      By the way, now that we know you cribbed the whole thing from Hipkins, without attribution, how does that make you less dishonest?

                      Actually, I found the Q+A transcript first and linked to it… You’re such a plonker Te Reo Putake, and there’s no point in continuing this debate further.

                    • TheContrarian

                      “You haven’t established that I was dishonest TRP by using the relevant part of Judith Collins’ statement, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.”

                      Yes we have, you just said it yourself:

                      Jackal: “..I was dishonest…”

                      See – I used the most relevant part of your comment to prove it.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Nice one, TC!

                    • Jackal

                      Yeah! You really showed me there TC /sarc.

                    • TheContrarian

                      Pulling out the most relevant part again

                      Jackal: “..You really showed me there..”

                      Yes I did. I showed you just how dishonest it is to quote-mine someone and present it as if they were saying something they weren’t.

                    • Jackal

                      TheConformist

                      I showed you just how dishonest it is to quote-mine someone and present it as if they were saying something they weren’t.

                      Wrong! Even though she tries to backtrack, the full quote by Judith Collins as provided still shows that she blames te Maori for their overrepresentation in our corrections system.

                      In contrast, your “quote-mining” of my comments just makes you look like a plonker!

                      Like you, Collins completely fails to acknowledge that the research shows Maori are discriminated against by the Police and that’s one of the main reasons for such overrepresentation… A fact you’re obviously at pains to ignore for some reason TheConformist ?

                      Please stop being silly and debate like an adult TC.

                    • TheContrarian

                      It shows nothing of the sort.

                      And you still haven’t addressed your dishonest quote mine which was actually the point of this..err..’discussion’

                      Figures.

                    • Jackal

                      What are you talking about? I’m starting to think you’re a little bit retarded TheConformist.

                    • TheContrarian

                      So you admit you dishonestly quote-mined Collins to make it sound like she blamed our crime problem on our population being 15% Maori

                    • Jackal

                      Ah no! What gave you that idea TheConformist? As much as you want me to change my opinion, unless Collins acknowledges and addresses the main issues and causes of Maori over-representation in our jails (which is unlikely), my opinion will remain the same.

                    • TheContrarian

                      This has nothing to do with Collins admitting why the real causes of crime and inherent injustice towards Maori.

                      You took a sentence in which Collins was describing the statistics of our prison system and misquoted to make her sound like the cause of crime was the fact we have a 15% Maori population.

                      That is dishonest – that you cant see that and you keep muddying the waters is no surprise because you appear to be functioning at level of a ten year old.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      But Contro, she was citing the statistics to explain why we have a higher incarceration rate than France.

                      She was asked ‘how do explain the difference’, and she explained it by pointing out that we have a 15% Maori population, and that Maori are incarcerated at a very high rate.

                      How does that explanation explain our higher rate than France?

                      What’s the logic she was using?

                      Make me a syllogism. And see if you can make it valid by including the disclaimer about not blaming Maori.

                      She couldn’t, she changed tack and said we have a higher rate because of higher crime, (caused by what according to her logic? hint: Maori feelings), and note how that explanation contradicts where the point inn the interview where she said we were a safe society.

                      The fact is she contradicted herself all over the place. So calling it quote mining when you focus on the logic and ignore the ‘I’m not a racist” stuff is just bullshit.

                    • Jackal

                      +1 Pascal’s bookie

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      What’s the diff? If they are disenfranchised, they’re going to feel disanfranchised. Or don’t you think maaris feel? ;)

                    • putting a winky face doesn’t hide the truth voice – The Jackal was on the money with his first post on this issue and you are defending collins and taking the piss out of tangata whenua whilst taking the piss with your name – feeling good about all that are you? That is disrespectful imo.

                • One Tāne Huna

                  I’m with Jackal on this one. Why doesn’t Collins talk about the conditions under which crime flourishes? Why, instead, is ethnicity front and centre of her analysis?

                  • TheContrarian

                    The issue isn’t that content of Collins message, it is Jackal dishonestly using a quote mine to make is seem as if Collin’s is saying our crime is due to us having 15% Maori population when in the interview she states the exact opposite.

                    Do you, OTH, defend jackals misuse of Collins quote to imply she thinks the exact opposite of what she states?

                  • felixviper

                    Yeah I agree. Jackal’s quote might’ve been a bit slippery, but it actually conveys exactly what Collins is trying to ‘say without saying’.

                    • TheContrarian

                      Apart from where she says

                      “JUDITH: Well I don’t think the Maori population are the cause of crime. Not at all. “

                      Where as jackal cut it off with

                      “JUDITH: Well what we have for instance is we have say 15% of the population Maori”

                      Which implies Collins claims we have crime due to our Maori population which she clarifies as definitely not what she thinks and in fact stems from disenfranchisement. The statistics themselves she describes as shocking.

                      This is called quote mining:

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Yes, that’s why Felix uses the phrase “say without saying”. That you can’t hear the dog-whistle, Contrarian, says more about your hearing range than anything.

                    • felixviper

                      Meh, I think she knew exactly how her statement would be interpreted.

                      btw I don’t think you’re being anal about it, not at all.

                    • TheContrarian

                      If you going to say she means something other than the words she uses then why bother misquoting her at all?

                      Why not just quote her in full and call her a liar instead of these silly quote mines to imply she said something she didn’t?

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      I’m not a racist but…

                    • TheContrarian

                      @Felix – dishonesty isn’t something one should just let past. The site is dedicated to exposing dishonesty in politicians (in part) so why should the commentators/authors be held to a different standard?

                    • McFlock

                      lolol
                      why indeed?

                    • felixviper

                      “Why not just quote her in full and call her a liar”

                      She’s not really lying though, that’s the beauty of it.

                      And in the hierarchy of sins, a pseudonym on a blog being a bit sneaky with a quote is far less of a concern to me than a Minister of the Crown saying that we wouldn’t have much crime if it weren’t for those bloody maarees.

                      Which is what she said, really.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Jeez Felix stop lying, she said she’s not a racist but the reason we have a high incarceration rate is because so many murrays in prison and that’s a shame is what it is but there you go.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      ‘Honestly, I’m not racist, but the fact is they are not in jail because they are Maori, but because of the way Maori are.’

                    • TheContrarian

                      Well she actually said the complete opposite of that Felix but it is your prerogative to belief what you want about her.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      So if I quoted myself from above thusly:

                      “I’m not racist”

                      Would that be quote mining?

                    • felixviper

                      To be fair though, she did point out that Australia hes a similar problem with abos, and they’re a totally different strain of darkie.

                      So not just blaming maarees. Not at all.

                    • TheContrarian

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quote_mining

                      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining

                      In the jackal example Collins was explaining our prison statistics and how they compare to other countries and her view that the statistics were ‘shocking’. Jackal quoted a single sentence which implied her comment was that we have a crime problem due to our population being 15% Maori

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      “Which implies Collins claims we have crime due to our Maori population which she clarifies as definitely not what she thinks and in fact stems from disenfranchisement.”

                      This would be quite a powerful argument if she said Maori were, in fact, disfranchised, rather than that they felt disenfranchised. Which is a whole different thing altogether, and what she actually said.

      • travellerev 2.2.5

        Which is really funny because the French have a huge Muslim population (5.5 % or half of the total of immigrants living in France) from all their Muslim ex colonies who by the way apart from one questionable event have never en masse (French) turned to terrorism weirdly enough.

        Pied noir (Black feet) they are called to this day because at some stage the French decided that everybody had to wear shoes in their colonies so the inhabitants who true to the colonial extortion spirit didn’t have a coin to scratch their butts with painted their feet to look like they were wearing shoes to avoid punishment.

        • Te Reo Putake 2.2.5.1

          Yep, the Algerians and other victims of French colonialism would have plenty of reason to resort to terrorism, but, for the most part seem to have taken the option of mass resistance to gain their independance instead.

          Interesting about the pied noir term, btw. I thought that it was the term for the european Algerians (ie the ones with French heritage who sided with France against the indiginous population). I first heard it in reference to Albert Camus, who was born in Algeria. It would be ironic indeed if the term is now the opposite of its original meaning!

        • Epping Road 2.2.5.2

          Pied noir has never meant the Muslim Berbers travellerev. It has always meant French Europeans in Algeria.

  3. Skinny 3

    Peters needs to show leadership & admonish Prosser for his racist rants. Most of us are well aware of Prossers bigoted ideology. I could imagine the huge outcry if he made anti Jewish remarks similar. Pretty spineless stuff Tosser!   

  4. karol 4

    Yes, agree that the government is showing a poor set of social and human values.

    Irish: typo – I think the government has a pretty poor record on the limited support of (women’s) refuges, but it seems more blatant than dog whistles. OTOH, Key has been dog whistling on refugees several times over the last couple of years.

  5. Prosser is a Tosser.
    No one can put a prickly rose around it and call it pretty,his loose lips will bring NZ
    First down, down in the polls.
    Winston has the ability to address this properly and act.
    As an aside, i watched a painful interview between TV3’s Smalley and Shearer about the Tosser’s potential verbal incendiary device, Shearer was his usual stammering and bumbling self,oh dear,sigh.

    • Andre 5.1

      http://t.co/KHc3c3fi Good piece about Farrar and his ploy?

    • NoseViper (The Nose knows) 5.2

      VV
      Well said about the Tosser’s potential verbal incendiary device – more dangerous than an IED – Improvised explosive device. Certainly it has gone off dangerously on Winston’s foot, but he thinks he has bulletproof legs so no worries and no concern about NZ’s standing overseas, which is rather strange in one who did have the Foreign Affairs portfolio at one time.

      Pertinent quote from Wikipedia –
      He also accused the Labour Party of having an “ethnic engineering and re-population policy.”[5] In July 2005, Peters said New Zealand should err on the side of caution in admitting immigrants until they “affirm their commitment to New Zealanders’ values and standards.” On the same occasion, Peters claimed to know that Muslim extremists were regularly entering New Zealand, and accused Islam in New Zealand as “having two faces – a moderate face and a militant underbelly”. However, he refused to identify the person or the source.

  6. Bill 6

    I’ve always found NZ and many NZers (including far too many who identify as being ‘of the left’) are incredibly adept at denying the extent of their racism as well as the racism inherent to NZ society.

    The equivocations or downright stupidity and antipathy exhibited by the likes of Prosser, Key, Shearer and many, many others are the result.

    • Colonial Weka 6.1

      Agreed.

      On Nine to Noon, Prosser described what he wrote in Investigate as a particular ‘style’. He regrets that, but because he won’t acknowledge the racism he can’t regret the racism. Handy. His framing the issue as style goes along with his statement that his views as a columnist are completely separate from his role as an MP. So apparently now one can be a racist fuckwit in one part of one’s life but that won’t affect how one operates in another part of one’s life eg how one helps run the country (although Kathryn Ryan made it pretty obvious that Prosser is a waste of space in parliament).

      It was good to hear Ryan making her contempt apparent.

      • AmaKiwi 6.1.1

        “his statement that his views as a columnist are completely separate from his role as an MP”

        You’re surprised? Lying about one’s real intentions is the first rule for getting elected.

      • marty mars 6.1.2

        Yes I listened to that too – by his logic he wouldn’t get to fly because of those ‘previous terrorists’ the IRA and he looks like they supposedly look. I needed a wash after listening to his foul opinions.

    • NickS 6.2

      None so fucking wilfully blind as the privileged to that which would show them in the harsh light of day to be fools and bigots.

  7. vto 7

    Our further international shame is moving towards a system similar to apartheid. Especially given we protested against that abomination and hold ourselves in such high regard in this area. It’s like the 100% Pure bullshit.

  8. AmaKiwi 8

    The reason we need a 4 year parliamentary term is so people like Richard Prosser can (tic appropriate answer):

    1. have time to become enligtened
    2. allow time for the voters to forget how incompetent/dangerous some MPs are
    3. (please add additional reasons because I’m stumped)

  9. Andre 9

    NZ needs to take its head out of its arse and grow up. We lack any sophistication in our thinking .Head up and look around ,we are so far behind in future thinking .Still thinking of color /creed. Before good and fair ….. Prosser is the poster boy of old New Zealand..

  10. Darien Fenton 10

    Irish : Did you miss these?

    “Labour’s Darien Fenton joined the attacks, saying the Government had its own law change in train as part of the Immigration Amendment Bill that would allow for the mass-detention of a group of 10 or more asylum seekers who arrive in a group by boat.

    “Just last year the Prime Minister John Key and his Immigration Minister, Nathan Guy, were describing asylum seekers who arrived by boat as ‘queue jumpers’ and ‘illegal immigrants’,” Fenton said.

    “Now, however, it seems Mr Key is prepared to take a number of the very same people – from recently reopened Australian detention centres on Papua New Guinea’s Manus Island and Nauru – that he has previously disparaged.”

    And this :

    Labour’s immigration spokeswoman Darien Fenton shares Amnesty’s concerns.

    “It really is tacit approval of the Australian system which has been so widely criticised,” she said.

    “Lots of New Zealanders would be concerned … if they knew the conditions [asylum seekers] would be sent into, which is effectively being behind barbed wire, living in tents, awful conditions.”

    Four radio interviews and TV on Saturday alone. Questions in the House yesterday from David Shearer. Quite a lot of Labour on this.

    • quartz 10.1

      Interesting. Will the next labour government revoke the arrangement?

    • AmaKiwi 10.2

      @ Darien Fenton

      Darien,

      You need a 1 sentence sound bite for the tv news.

      Preferably just a phrase, a label: “The Key is to forget.” “Key’s cabbage boat to residency.” “Prime Minister Mr. Double Talk.” “Key changes policies faster than he can justify them.”

      I am not in p.r., but I know a good one when I hear it.

      Nail the bast*rds!

      • NoseViper (The Nose knows) 10.2.1

        Or something like Labour’s policies will be up and going faster while Key’s just lie and fester (with mould as an extra).

        • Johninsg 10.2.1.1

          Winston has a certain touch for one-liners:

          “Judith Collins should stop behaving like Joan Collins, okay”

          We’ll not see Joan/Judith the same way again:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxZV8HZElKo

          • gobsmacked 10.2.1.1.1

            @Darien

            It is not the fault of Irish Bill, or anybody else, that your leader cannot communicate Labour’s position clearly – or even decide what it is.

            I appreciate that you can’t comment publicly, but I’m sure MPs were banging their heads on the wall when Shearer waffled his responses to media questions yesterday.

            If it helps you to keep shooting the other messengers, go ahead. But your real problem is THE messenger, and you know it. The leader gets ten times more coverage than a spokesperson, and you can’t deal with that communication defecit by issuing press releases or running around on blogs.

            If he needs help, here it is …

            “This policy is wrong, unnecessary, and stupid. Labour will scrap it.”

            Not hard, is it?

            • Johninsg 10.2.1.1.1.1

              +1

              “I’m sure MPs were banging their heads on the wall when Shearer waffled his responses to media questions yesterday”

              I have been banging my head so much and so hard the past few months with my clenched fist and I wonder how much longer will the majority of the Labour caucus have to bang their heads and actually do something.

              I do not say this easily but feel I have to voice this online for the good of my Labour Party.

              How much more time does the lead messenger of the leading opposition party need? I have been waiting and waiting for some clear, coherent, articulate messages from him. But with another day that passes, it seems like he draws greater attention to the ‘mess’ in message and messenger.

              For the record, I am a current member of the NZLP and I would be happy to verify this by showing my membership card to someone who posts on here (but not certain special people like the MP for South Dunedin).

              • xtasy

                I am not a member of NZLP, but I have also suffered major concussions due to banging my head and other body parts around, knowing no other way to deal with utter distress and depression. I even a times contemplated to make an end to it all, but then again, I cannot blame that just solely on the Labour Party.

    • IrishBill 10.3

      Sorry Darien – I’d only seen the lead media with David Shearer when I wrote the post. I’ve updated appropriately.

      • Darien Fenton 10.3.1

        Cheers Irish

        • bad12 10.3.1.1

          Good to see you here at the Standard having a look and a comment….

        • xtasy 10.3.1.2

          Darian, thanks for coming here and taking your position. I am one of the hardest of critics of your party here, and I make no doubts about it.

          Yet I have always respected your firm position on the lot of the disadvantaged, whether it is migrants or youth or unemployed or other workers.

          What I miss with Labour (Label Labour term, I suppose) is a reconnection to old values. This may appear old fashioned to some, but older and even younger Labour supporters are desperate to find out what Labour now stands for, so they can identify and offer their full support.

          We have had much vague and double talk, and most know not what to think of Labour, and so many are affectionate towards the Greens and also Mana.

          Do you blame them? They want social improvements, jobs and fair deals in all social and economic areas. So your party is challenged. Deliver, talk and we will listen and talk also, so far most of us are NOT convinced.

  11. Rogue Trooper 11

    …”the twin evils of diversity and multiculturalism”-the “leader” of NZ First. How freakin’ embarassing. wtf is wrong with the attitudes of some people? every-time i switch on my new / old telly there is some new cringe-dweller building a hedge for us to look over at the rest of the world laughing at us. very sad.

  12. NoseViper (The Nose knows) 12

    NZ First showing its dross side and Winnie showing how ambivalent he is about some standards. He can’t stand on the Winebox soapbox for ever to give him height and visibility.

    Prosser needs to go. We don’t want eejits like him fouling further our convoluted political playing field. You’re not allowed to do racial sledging in European football. Can’t politicians like Winston adopt some of the gravitas of his namesake. He could even take on the working rules of professional sport as guides to behaviour if there are none at present.

    • Rogue Trooper 12.1

      feckin’ “eejits”. (we must be the laughing stock of the pacific soup with clowns like prosser and wishart (good on ya Farrer)

  13. Te Reo Putake 13

    Good work from Hone Harawira stopping Prosser from trying to weasel out of the issue in Parliament:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8295162/Wogistan-MP-should-resign-Islamic-leader

  14. I don’t get it. The global MSM has been telling us that only Muslims are prone to terrorism even if it break the laws of Physics when they do. We have happily joined the coalition of the killing to “liberate” “catch Osama bin Laden” “liberate the women of Afghanistan” and other assorted lies of convenience and while we did not officially joined the cultural and physical destruction the SAS is or was present in Iraq and other country we were told filled with ragheads and other assorted dine names to describe the people who lived there. Not only that Muslims so we are told are unable to liberate themselves so we helped the Libyans with some Kinetic liberation and now we are gearing up to destroy ney liberate Syria on our way to Iran and Prossner is the racist?

    All he is doing is drawing the consequences of the 10 year Muslim vilification propaganda campaign. Muslims are not to be trusted and especially those of the warrior age. You never can tell. They might just up and attack you while you are on your way to some nice warm holiday country.

    If you believe that 19 young Arabs with box cutters broke the laws of Physics on 9/11 all because they hate our freedoms and have a different religion which makes them prone to irrational violence you are just as prejudice and racist as Prosser.

    • TheContrarian 14.1

      Why do you continue this “even if it break the laws of Physics when they do” BS.

      It has been shown to you several times that no one can break the laws of physics therefore no laws of physics were broken.

      • travellerev 14.1.1

        ROFL! Fuck, now that is an amazing way of circular reasoning!

        For those of you more intellectually inclined. The official story is impossible as that would mean all laws of physics would have to be violated. As dipshit here points out that is impossible so something other than the official CT must have taken place.

        • TheContrarian 14.1.1.1

          “The official story is impossible as that would mean all laws of physics would have to be violated.”

          No it doesn’t. Nothing that happened broke the laws of physics. But please explain what you think ‘broke the laws of physics’

          And all laws of physics? Even the strong nuclear force? Are you sure about that

          • McFlock 14.1.1.1.1

            thermo-nuclear-nano-thermite was secreted into photocopier toner cartridges by the illuminopaperazzi, that’s the only way buildings can collapse when fucking great aircraft fly into them.

            • higherstandard 14.1.1.1.1.1

              How dare you take the piss !

              Everyone not hoodwinked by the MSM knows it was the reverse vampires in league with the zombie overlords from Europa.

              • Colonial Viper

                Well, it would be so easy to get into this…just look out for the pyroclastically expanding clouds of high pressure ejecta as the Twin Towers collapsed.

                • McFlock

                  Oh. My. God. Pyroclastic flows! It all makes sense! The CIA wasn’t involved – the National Geographic Channel detonated a microsupervolcano right under WTC in order to milk massive revenue from anniversary specials for the next hundred years! THAT’s why they stick to the “official” MSM “hijack” story – they storyboarded it themselves months beforehand!

                  • Colonial Viper

                    *Shrug* you can see the high velocity horizontal flows of disintegrated building materials for yourself McFlock, in every piece of footage of the Tower collapses.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Yep, and you can see the planes being flown into them too. What’s more likely? That what we know happened happened or what loons think might have happened happened?

                      Edit: just for fun, what are the odds of it being anything other than the truth? 1 in 100? 1000? More?

                    • McFlock

                      Well that just demonstrates that you have no idea what a “pyroclastic flow” is. Or, indeed, what “horizontal” means.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Well that just demonstrates that you have no idea what a “pyroclastic flow” is. Or, indeed, what “horizontal” means.

                      meh.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      That what we know happened happened or what loons think might have happened happened?

                      *Shrug*

                      You may think that severe asymmetric damage to a skyscraper can lead to a completely balanced and symmetric collapse directly on to the skyscraper’s own footprint, but I do not.

                    • emergency mike

                      “Yep, and you can see the planes being flown into them too.”

                      Ah the old ‘da planes flew into da buildings and den dey fall down wut r u talkin fool’ response. Hey TRP here’s a thought, pretend the loons are right and the WTC buildings were taken down with explosives after the planes flew into them. In this scenario would you see planes being flown into the buildings? Yeah, you would. Doesn’t that make your comment a worthless pile of dung? Yeah, it does.

                      What’s more likely? What are the odds? More inanity. Either there was some kind of conspiracy or there wasn’t. Any attempt an calculating a probability is about as pointless as doing the same for the existence of God.

                      “That what we know happened happened or what loons think might have happened happened?”

                      There it is. You ‘know’ what happened. Well if you know something then anyone who disagrees with you must be wrong by definition right? QED. End of. This is what prompted me to comment.

                      I’m not a 911 ‘truther’ nor ‘debunker’, but I am open-minded. I watched one of travellerev’s youtube links once. It was some 2hr odd conference of experts presenting their reasons for their doubts about the official narrative from different perspectives. They weren’t loons, I didn’t see any tinfoil hats. They were intelligent and articulate, and highly qualified. Some of them were more persuasive than others, but at the end it was difficult to disagree that there were serious questions that deserved answers. But maybe the wikipedia geniuses here know better.

                      I value conspiracy theories as they invite us to question the status quo. Failure to see the value in that is a failure of the imagination. That doesn’t mean one should swallow them at face value, rather that I find it strange that people are happy to swallow the status quo at face value, like frightened sheep. That’s what it comes down to. People don’t like having their socially agreed upon construct of reality threatened. It would be better for their little minds if we all just sang la la la in unison.

                      We should be suspicious of what we think we ‘know’. We once knew that the earth was flat, and that the sun moved around us. Scientists laughed at Einstein’s theories when they were first published, musicians laughed when they first saw the first two bars of Beethoven’s fifth.

                      CV: “You may think that severe asymmetric damage to a skyscraper can lead to a completely balanced and symmetric collapse directly on to the skyscraper’s own footprint, but I do not.”

                      Me neither. Particularly concerning building 7.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      “completely balanced and symmetric collapse directly on to the skyscraper’s own footprint”

                      Where did that happen. Not in New York. You do know what a footprint is right? And how far debris from the buildings spread? or that you can argue for a ‘footprint collapse’ or a ‘pyroclasitc flow’ but not both?

                      ffs

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Mike: ” I find it strange that people are happy to swallow the status quo at face value”

                      Why do you assume people are doing that?

                      I too have watched plenty of eve’s videos ( And I’ll just wonder here again why so much truther stuff is in video form which makes fact checking and quoting cumbersome), but I then took time to check out the counter points. You should look deeper. Don’t just accept that these guys are being honest just becasue a few of them speak well. Question their narrative just as hard as you would the ‘official’ one. See what happens.

                      I’ve found that many of the things they say simply don’t stack up. they repeat clear and obvious falsehoods years after they have been debunked.

                    • emergency mike

                      “Why do you assume people are doing that?”

                      I was speaking generally rather than about anyone here or any particular issue. Maybe I wasn’t clear about that. I assume it because I see with my own eyes people unquestioningly parroting what the man on the TV told them all the time.

                      “I too have watched plenty of eve’s videos ( And I’ll just wonder here again why so much truther stuff is in video form which makes fact checking and quoting cumbersome), but I then took time to check out the counter points. You should look deeper. Don’t just accept that these guys are being honest just becasue a few of them speak well. Question their narrative just as hard as you would the ‘official’ one. See what happens.”

                      Ah yes but did you take the time to check out the counterpoints to the counterpoints? Now who’s making assumptions – did I say ‘I think they are are right because they sounded like such nice intelligent guys’? Or that I hadn’t checked out the debunking websites too? I’ve got my doubts about the official story, but I’ve got my doubts about my doubts too. I’m all for healthy scepticism, I just don’t like the closed-minded kind.

                      “I’ve found that many of the things they say simply don’t stack up. they repeat clear and obvious falsehoods years after they have been debunked.”

                      I’m not much interested in getting into the nuts and bolts of yet another 911 debate. I’ll leave that to blog warriors keener than I. My objection was to TRP’s stupid reply which I’ve heard one too many times.

                    • McFlock

                      Mike, this morning when you woke up, you had no idea whether the act of turning on a computer would blow up the planet.

                      I’m shocked that you didn’t keep an “open mind” about the possibility, and recklessly risked all our lives. Because calculating probabilities is pointless.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Now who’s making assumptions – did I say ‘I think they are are right because they sounded like such nice intelligent guys’?

                      It’s not a direct quote, but you did say:

                      It was some 2hr odd conference of experts presenting their reasons for their doubts about the official narrative from different perspectives. They weren’t loons, I didn’t see any tinfoil hats. They were intelligent and articulate, and highly qualified. Some of them were more persuasive than others, but at the end it was difficult to disagree that there were serious questions that deserved answers. But maybe the wikipedia geniuses here know better.

                      the bolded sections seem to imply that you found it difficult to disagree that there were serious questions because of the impression you had of their intelligence.

                      Or that I hadn’t checked out the debunking websites too?

                      No but you did say that “maybe the wikipedia geniuses here know better.” Which gives a pretty strong clue about how much follow up you did.

                    • emergency mike

                      One of them wore a tie that I quite liked. Some of them were more persuasive than others, but at the end it was difficult to disagree that there were serious questions that deserved answers.

                      PB are you going to conclude that the above implies that I found it difficult to disagree that there were serious questions because one of them wore a tie that I quite liked? I said they were intelligent and articulate, and highly qualified simply to counter TRP’s assertion that these people are ‘loons’ meaning lunatics I’m guessing. They didn’t look like lunatics. Did the fact that they didn’t look like lunatics persuade me? No PB, it didn’t. It was their arguments that I found persuasive.

                      Did I pledge my allegiance to team truther there and then? No, I didn’t. I’ve also seen a number of debunking websites and videos that were also persuasive to varying degrees. So as I’ve said, I have doubts about my doubts, but overall I’m left unsatisfied with the official story. Maybe all that means is that the official story has not been well elucidated, or maybe it means something else.

                      “No but you did say that “maybe the wikipedia geniuses here know better.” Which gives a pretty strong clue about how much follow up you did.”

                      Does it? Again I can’t see how you conclude y from x here… That sentence was meant as a dig at the blog warrior debunker compared to the highly qualified persons I was referring to. (I admit it’s a throwaway cheap-shot.)

                    • McFlock

                      Here’s the thing, EM.

                      I don’t believe that people can do even a tiny amount of research into an incident – any incident – and not form a pretty solid idea about what happened. They may be right or mistaken, but you obviously have opinions.

                      For example, when you said

                      CV: “You may think that severe asymmetric damage to a skyscraper can lead to a completely balanced and symmetric collapse directly on to the skyscraper’s own footprint, but I do not.”

                      Me neither. Particularly concerning building 7.

                      That seems to imply that you believe building 7 collapsed in a “completely balanced and symmetric” manner into it’s “own footprint”.
                      I think that if it had for whatever reason fallen in that way, that truly would have broken the laws of physics. Even controlled implosions don’t manage to do it. Therefore that description obviously does not marry with reality, therefore it is nutty.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Nah, your tie example is a non sequitur. It would make no sense to think someone was right just because of their tie.

                      I said you thought they were right because you thought they were intelligent; because that’s pretty much what you said. Admittedly, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either in that it’s a bit of a tautology but that’s your argument’s problem not mine.

                      It’s interesting that you found that many of their arguments were not convincing. It would be interesting to talk about that. But you said you don’t want to get into the details about what people are saying. That’s unfortunate, because it makes it nigh on impossible to make calls about how intelligent and reasonable they really were.

                      For example, if you found out that the repeated claims that ‘the towers fell at free fall speed and therefore must have been a controlled demolition’ were nonsense; then I would think that would tell someone quite a lot about the honesty and or understanding of the people who made such claims.

                      But that’s just me.

                    • emergency mike

                      “Mike, this morning when you woke up, you had no idea whether the act of turning on a computer would blow up the planet.

                      I’m shocked that you didn’t keep an “open mind” about the possibility, and recklessly risked all our lives. Because calculating probabilities is pointless.”

                      So being open to considering fringe theories means that I have to guard myself against the negative outcomes of every possible conceivable universe McFlock? Strawman much?

                      I’m afraid I’m not familiar with your turning on a computer can blow up the planet theory, but from what you’ve told me about it so far I’m not convinced. Nor interested.

                      My statement about calculating probabilities was specifically in reference to TRP’s ‘which 911 explanation is more likely’ and ‘what are the odds?’ questions. Asking for such a number is pointless. People will give different answers and all of them will be impossible to verify.

                      Even if there was a total consensus about the number it still wouldn’t mean anything. It would just be a measure of public perception about the probability of 911 being some kind of conspiracy. So what? How would that relate to the reality of whether or not it actually happened?

                      Unless the number was 42. That would definitely mean something.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      “My statement about calculating probabilities was specifically in reference to TRP’s ‘which 911 explanation is more likely’ and ‘what are the odds?’ questions. Asking for such a number is pointless. People will give different answers and all of them will be impossible to verify.”

                      Your last sentence also applies to 911 truth deniers. 12 years, no evidence. But a shitload of unverifiable theories of what “might” have happened. On the upside, nobody much gives a flying one about this crap any more. It’s rapidly heading into outer space to join Elvis on Mars.

                    • emergency mike

                      “I said you thought they were right because you thought they were intelligent; because that’s pretty much what you said. Admittedly, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either in that it’s a bit of a tautology but that’s your argument’s problem not mine.”

                      I’ll try once more. I added the sentence about seem being intelligent because TRP called them ‘loons’. That was the only reason. I did not say, nor did I mean to imply, that I believed them just because they seemed intelligent. That would be dumb. I hope this clears things up for you.

                      I’m not interested in discussing what they said since as I said, I’m not interested in a what really happened debate. That wasn’t my reason for posting. I’m sure if you joined in the fun over at your nearest truther blog you could have yourself a merry old time if that’s what you’re after.

                    • emergency mike

                      McFlock – Now that you mention it, buildings don’t even have feet. So it would be a logical impossibility for them to even have a footprint to fall into.

                      Sorry, like I said, not interested.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      ,i>I did not say, nor did I mean to imply, that I believed them just because they seemed intelligent. That would be dumb.

                      No less dumb than saying they weren’t loons because they seemed intelligent.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Awesome thread derail.

                      It’s almost like people defending their own belief systems to the (rhetorical) death.

                    • McFlock

                      I’m afraid I’m not familiar with your turning on a computer can blow up the planet theory, but from what you’ve told me about it so far I’m not convinced. Nor interested.

                      But apparently if I put on a suit and tie and did a youtube video, you might be. The sudden power drain could cause a cascading blackout that could interfere with Echelon signals and send HAARP a corrupted instruction that would irradiate the polar atmosphere, causing a catastrophic feedback loop in the earth’s magnetic core…

                      Oh, and look up “building footprint” in the dictionary. Borrow CV’s, after he’s looked up “pyroclastic”.

                    • TheContrarian

                      Look McFlock

                      A completely inept presidential administration was able to smuggle masses of thermite into a building with 24 hour security, including bomb sniffing dogs, so they could frame 19 Saudi highjackers in order to invade Afghanistan so they’d have justification to invade Iraq because what they really want to do is impose US hegemony on Iran.

                      It’s perfectly simple.

                    • McFlock

                      That’s exactly what they want us to think!

                      meh. I’m done with this episode of Idiot Fantasy Island.

                      d’oh edit: CV – smart enough to use a dictionary.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      You guys are so smart you must be right.

                    • TheContrarian

                      We’re through the looking glass now, gentleman

                    • emergency mike

                      But apparently if I put on a suit and tie and did a youtube video, you might be.

                      Oh look another strawman. Quelle surprise. You’re quite good at them though.

                • TheContrarian

                  pyroclastically ?

                  You use that word but I do not think it means what you think it means

    • bad12 14.2

      Not wishing to get the whole 9/11 debate going again and ruin the post i am going to say simply yes i agree with you,

      Getting back to Richard Prosser tho, sad sack of s**t that He is probably thinks that all the attention presently being focused upon Him is great,

      Who tho is the danger here, the Kiwi kid of Arab extraction living a few doors down from me polishing his old used car like it’s a Bentley or Prosser himself,

      Here’s an MP who in all reality has thrown a tantrum through the pages of ‘Investigate magazine’ because He got held up in a line at the airport for a security check,

      The above is not the truth though, that, the truth, got buried in the torrent of abhorrence leveled at the racist rubbish Prosser had written for that magazine, and so it should have been, the torrent of abhorrence that is,

      Prosser though has probably thanked His lucky stars that the focus,(as yet), has remained upon the abject stupidity of His comments and not on the FACT that Richard Prosser by His own admission tried to board the plane carrying a f**king KNIFE,

      Prosser who attempted to pass through the security check with a folding pocket knife on His person and then argued with airport security who refused to allow Him to proceed unless the folded pocket knife was handed over then went on to have printed the abusive racist rubbish that appeared in ‘investigate magazine’,

      That is the genesis of the Richard Prosser magazine article and i have to ask the question here again, just who is the more dangerous, the Kiwi-kid of obvious Arab extraction down the end of the street polishing His wheels until they shine or the MP from the NZFirst list attempting to board a flight at a NZ airport armed with a folded pocket knife in His possession,

      That’s actually borderline illegal, as far as my reading of NZ law goes it says that your allowed to carry a knife in a public place if you have a reasonable excuse for doing so,

      My view is that Richard Prosser the NZFirst MP should not only be given the kick from His Party and the Parliament He also should be the subject of a Police investigation to ascertain why He was carrying that folded pocket knife in the first place…

      • One Tāne Huna 14.2.1

        Um, plenty of people carry pocket knives. They can be used for many things. When you fly, though, you put it in your luggage (not hand luggage) or leave it at home. Pretty basic stuff these days. Prosser couldn’t even get that right either.

        • bad12 14.2.1.1

          Because ‘plenty of people carry pocket knives’ does not make such carriage legal, what ‘reasonable cause’ would you advance if you were searched by the plod and be found with such a knife in your possession,

          What reasonable excuse does a Member of the New Zealand Parliament have for the carriage of a pocket knife, especially attempting to board a domestic air flight in possession of one when the very security checks that provoked His abysmal display of racism was to detect people carrying the very thing that was found on His person…

          • McFlock 14.2.1.1.1

            Forgot to take it out of his pocket in the rush for the plane. Same reasonable excuse everyone else has when transitioning from a public area to a higher security area.

            • Roy 14.2.1.1.1.1

              On the contrary, the Dom-Post this morning said Prosser has carried it as hand-luggage some 30 times. That means he has broken regulations some 30 times, of course. This was not a single instance of forgetfulness. CArrying a knife in the cabin is something he is in the habit of doing.

              • Colonial Viper

                Ahhhh the appearance of boarding security in airports but with no actual security. Great.

            • bad12 14.2.1.1.1.2

              Its illegal to carry a knife in public without having a reasonable excuse…

              • McFlock

                Yes. Reasonable. Like “I might need to cut, screw, saw or scrape something”.

                • bad12

                  Your use of the word ‘might’ takes away the reasonable cause, that you might have to do something doesn’t make ‘reasonable cause’,

                  You ‘might’ get away with, ”i am meeting my mate down at the wharf to go fishing, he has the rods and asked me to bring a knife to cut up the bait”,

                  Of course the plods having plenty of time these days might just check that story out and spank you for the BS…

                  • McFlock

                    Nope. It might be a reasonable preparation to make.

                    The police might take it to court to test the excuse, but that’s all a trial is for. Unless it was an obvious weapon and my excuse was completely bogus (e.g. if I made the fishing excuse for a 30cm blade, but had never been fishing in my life) then the reasonable excuse thing comes into play.

                    The obvious point is that the “weapon” prosser had to mail home was a piddly little number that was a reasonable utility/pocket knife. I very much doubt it was a Rambo-blade. Otherwise it would have been confiscated and a charge could follow.

                    The point is that we don’t need to walk around, terrified that something we need to carry for even sentimental reasons might result in us being charged with a weapon-carrying offense. Not if we’re reasonable folk who view things as tools, not weapons.

                    Ever seen a hat pin, as a woman might wear to a formal party?
                    Purely decorative, yet smaller prison shanks have killed…

          • One Tāne Huna 14.2.1.1.2

            Reasonable cause? To carry a multi-purpose tool? Are you for real?

            “Essential Gear:

            Pocket knife, flash-light, magnifying glass, needle and thread, matches, a marble, pencil and paper, a handkerchief, band-aids and fish-hooks.”

            The Dangerous Book For Boys Conn Iggulden.

            [summarised by OAB]

            and what McFlock said.

            • bad12 14.2.1.1.2.1

              The dangerous book for boys might not be a very good guide to what is actually legal in this country,

              According to the Police and the law it is illegal to carry a knife in a public place without reasonable excuse,

              http://www.police.govt.nz/node/23130

              http://www.police.govt.nz/service/firearms/swords-knives.html

              http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0113/latest/DLM53545.html

              http://www.legislation.govt.nz/pdlink.aspx?id=DLM329710

              Like to see any of you lot strolling up to one of the local plod saying ha ha ha i have a pocket knife and there is nothing you can do about it,

              Possess a pocket knife for peeling the oranges perhaps??? better be carrying the fruit with you if the plods ever get to search you and find that pocket knife,

              Still begs the question why does NZFirst MP Richard Prosser carry with Him an offensive weapon???to defend Himself against the odd muslim terrorist that might stray His way perhaps???…

              • McFlock

                It is legal to carry a knife, if you have a reasonable purpose for it.
                Self defense is not reasonable.

                Little knives are often useful. This is reasonable.
                Rapiers aren’t usually useful. They are not reasonable.

                He doesn’t carry an offensive weapon.
                He carries a tool (as well as being one himself).
                The fact it is regarded as a TOOL and not a weapon is a reasonable excuse for a small pocket knife.
                The difference generally involves possible uses, length, number of blade edges, shape of blade, conceal-ability (is it disguised as a pen or credit card?), speed in deployment (flick knives / one-handed opening) and, of course, whether you wave it in somebody’s face or stick it in their gut.

                As for your “oranges” example, “immediacy of use” isn’t in the criteria. “Reasonable” is. All I have to do is say that I planned to buy oranges for lunch. Whether that is a plausible excuse for a reasonable purpose depends entirely on the context of the situation. I actually have encountered folks who did the equivalent (for other rules/laws) of that “nothing you can do about it” attitude. That merely gave an incentive to find something else they were doing that I could “do something about” – if only to teach them a bit of courtesy and humility.

                Given that you seem to have difficulty understanding the word “reasonable”, I suggest that you avoid carrying any tool or object that could be construed as a weapon. Including car keys or a pencil.

                • bad12

                  Ever been arrested for something Mac, i will guess no that’s why you sit there tapping your spurious bullshit into this post,

                  As far as the word reasonable goes it is not my definition of the word that counts, it is the definition firstly of the plods and then secondly the courts that defines what in a legal sense is reasonable,

                  Get arrested for driving while disqualified and when the plods search you at the shop and find that pocket knife you get charged with possession of an offensive weapon, that’s what actually happens in the real world which obviously doesn’t encompass you sitting in front of your PC wanking on about the word reasonable…

                  • bad12

                    It is also illegal under NZ civil aviation law to carry onto an air-plane (1),anything that could be used as an offensive weapon, and (2), any knife with a blade 60cm or more in length…

                  • McFlock

                    Yep.
                    Commission of a crime. And of course the “while disqualified” is an automatic contempt of cop.

                    Been present at a few arrests – enough to know when an officer is willing to use all the law, and when they might let little irrelevancies slide with a warning or whatever. But each officer has different tolerances. Which decrease dramatically if they think you’re a dick.

  15. aerobubble 15

    prosser ? who?

    sorry, Key wants us to believe that refugees want to come to NZ despite Australia booming and the fact that if they land in NZ waters they wont get access to OZ welfare when they move across the ditch looking for a living wage. No refugee is wanting to come to NZ when a quick right turn will see then landing on Australias easter seaboard (if they coming south for NZ).

    prosser?

  16. Maybe we should be discussing the ‘McCarthy’ way ‘we’ have all been coned into thinking ‘Muslims’ are a danger to us?
    Multinational companies (and maternity wards) are way worse, and have helped set humankind on a non stop ride to extinction. Muslims have helped, but no more than any other ethnic group … as a mass…
    It has been mostly our ability to run from facts that has killed us off.
    I really can’t play the blame game, in the end humans are just stupid.

  17. Foreign Waka 17

    Mr Prosser made a stupid comment, felt righteous and got carried away. We will not be able to really understand his motivation why he has had this put in writing and published too. He has however, a responsibility towards the people of the country (all of them), the parliament and his party and should understand his obligation to stand down.

    • Te Reo Putake 17.1

      Yep. Remind me again what what happened to Paul Holmes after ‘cheeky darky’? Sacked wasn’t he? It’s waaaay beyond that level of stupid, so why’s Prosser waiting? Does Winston not like the next one on the list?

      Edit: Helen Mulford, since noone’s asking. Got a bad case of the David Moyes’ eyes, so should fit right in! http://vote.co.nz/2011/candidates/profile/helen-mulford

      • Foreign Waka 17.1.1

        Maybe Mr Prosser his trying to hold on and it is a bit tricky to just toss someone out. I am sure that god’s mill grinds slowly but is still inescapable….

  18. xtasy 18

    All I can and will say on this is: Prosser made a real “dick” of himself, and it is not the first time he has done so. It does not display much intelligence, particularly re the anti muslim rant. I do not consider this “racist”, as criticising people’s religion is of a bit different a category. He may to some have earned himself the “racist” tag by going on about “Wogistan”, but I feel that is not sufficient for that.

    Prosser lives in South Islandistan, which is in large part a good part of the country, but also has some bizarre, backward minded individuals live here and there, who are not that enlightened about the rest of the world. Some “have it off” with sheep I hear, do not take my word for it though.

    So that is, from my view, where Prosser comes from. He better get another life, as I feel, no matter how desperate Winston may be to keep his crew together, his days could well be numbered.

    Even Winston has learned by now, that such narrow minded ignorance, let alone anti religious or even racist ranting, will not help him and their cause at all. He has to count every voter and member, and some of them, as he admitted, may well be some conservative minded muslims who cherish NZ.

    Yes, even muslims and other religious or non religious members of NZ society are standing up for this country, so Winston has learned this, and Prosser will have to learn it, or join the National Front, perhaps?!

  19. Jenny 19

    Prosser is not sorry, Prosser is a liar.

    Justifying his racist outburst by claiming emotional distress. Prosser claimed on National Radio that he had been upset that a treasured personal gift, he had owned for years, to wit a pocket knife had been confiscated at the airport by security.

    ‘This is understandable, he was upset, he didn’t really mean what he’d written.’

    However it turns out, this is a deliberate lie made up to cover for his racist abuse.

    Prosser’s precious pocket knife wasn’t confiscated at all.

    Far from confiscating the knife, security officials ‘‘facilitiated’’ Prosser back to the Air New Zealand counter where the knife was put through as checked in baggage.


    VERNON SMALL, ANDREA VANCE, HAMISH RUTHERFORD AND NICOLE PRYOR
    MP should resign

    Will Winston Peters expel Prosser for being an unrepentant racist?

    For misleading the public as to his motives, will Winston Peters expel Prosser for being an unrepentant racist, and a liar to cover up the fact?

    Or is New Zealand First a safe haven for sexists and racists?

    • Jenny 19.1

      “I’m apologising unreservedly”

      Richard Prosser

      By lying?

      I don’t think so.

      This is not an unreserved apology until Prosser also apologises for misleading the public as to his motive.

  20. Jenny 20

    Winston Peters tries to deflect criticism of his openly racist MP with an unjustified sexist indignity directed at the Minister.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8295162/Wogistan-MP-should-resign-Islamic-leader

    “Ethnic Affairs Minister Judith Collins said Prosser can’t return to Parliament with any credibility and should apologise to the whole of New Zealand.

    “Judith Collins should stop behaving like Joan Collins, okay,” Peters retorted.”

  21. Just because some Muslims/insert religious or ethnic group here, commit crimes or terrorism doesn’t make the entire group criminals or terrorists. Prosser seems like he is attempting to be the Geert Wilders of the South Pacific.

  22. aerobubble 22

    Look this is just a complete distraction, Prosser was the weak link on the right and so had to up his game to distract us all from the real menace to Democracy in NZ. The way in which Keys government consistent abuse the law and commonsense.

    Take the nonsense over refugees. Refugees who want to goto OZ for the lifestyle will target NZ… ….so what… …they can be second class kiwis in OZ!!! Please. How is it refugees are supposed to be no different and can be also placed in detention whether they land in NZ or OZ, yet kiwis living in OZ have to subsidies Aussie welfare but not get that same welfare assistance?

    Now, sure Howard could do whatever he wanted, Clark could do nothing to stop Howard, it is of course a Australian policy that makes kiwis into second class citizens, and well thinking about it, if your a rich Kiwi in NZ why wouldn’t you want t harvest kiwi wages in Australia, I mean they should get away, if they are going to get paid more in OZ we sure can’t have that, given how little we pay here.

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    The Ministry of Primary Industries’ release of Environmental Science and Research’s initial reports regarding the sources of a nasty stomach bug will be little comfort to the 127 people affected by it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “This...
    Labour | 16-10
  • Treasury officials should try working without food
    The Green Party is challenging Treasury officials to work for a week without eating properly, in light of their advice to Government that a food in schools programme is not needed."Treasury's advice was that providing food for children in schools...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Councils need to better protect our drinking water
    Environment Canterbury (ECan) is proposing several variations to its regional land and water plan that will allow for increased nutrient and other pollution from irrigation and intensive agriculture on the Canterbury Plains. Commissioners are hearing submissions on Variation 1 to...
    Greens | 15-10
  • National needs to commit to making NZ workers safe
    The National Government must do more to help make New Zealand workplaces a safer place to work in, Green Party industrial relations spokesperson Denise Roche said today.Data released by Statistics New Zealand today showed that workers in the fishing and...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Key commits to deployment before consultation or analysis
    John Key’s offer to consult Opposition parties on whether to deploy New Zealand forces against ISIS looks increasingly like a PR exercise only, says Labour’s Defence spokesperson, Phil Goff. “The presence of New Zealand’s Chief of Defence Force at a...
    Labour | 15-10
  • National must end ideological opposition to raising income
    If John Key is serious about tackling child poverty he must approach it with an open mind, and overcome his ideological block to raising incomes as a solution, the Green Party said today.Papers released to Radio New Zealand today show...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Pentagon links climate change and terrorism
    Yesterday the Pentagon launched a plan to deal with a threat that “poses immediate risks to national security”; one that “will affect the Department of Defense’s ability to defend the nation”. It wasn’t referring to Ebola or ISIS. It was...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Four Nominees for Labour’s Leadership
    As at 5pm today four valid nominations had been received for the position of Labour Leader, as follows: Andrew Little(nominated by Poto Williams and Iain Lees-Galloway) Nanaia Mahuta(nominated by Louisa Wall and Su’a William Sio) David Parker(nominated by Damien O’Connor...
    Labour | 14-10
  • Green Party calls for consultation over terrorism law changes
    The Green Party has today written to the Prime Minister asking him to engage in wider consultation prior to changing any laws as a result of the recently announced terrorism law reviews, said the Green Party today. In a letter...
    Greens | 14-10
  • MPI must name product and supermarket chain
    The Ministry of Primary Industries must name the product responsible for severe gastroenteritis affecting people around the country, and the supermarket chain distributing it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “The Ministry seems to be more concerned about protecting...
    Labour | 13-10
  • John Key dishonest about reasons for wanting to change terrorism law
    John Key is misleading the public to push through terrorism law changes under urgency, the Green Party said today. On Sunday, John Key stated that it is not illegal for someone to fight overseas for a terrorist group, such as...
    Greens | 12-10
  • Law changes shaping up to be worse than first thought
    The Prime Minister needs to be up front about exactly what changes he is planning to make to the Employment Relations  Amendment Bill, Labour's spokesperson on Labour Issues Andrew Little says.Interviewed on Q&A yesterday John Key said he did not...
    Labour | 12-10
  • Rapists, not Tinder, the threat to women
    Blame for rape and sexual assault should only ever be laid at the door of the perpetrator, not dating services or the actions of women themselves, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “Tinder is not the problem and women...
    Labour | 09-10
  • Safer Journeys For People Who Cycle
    You have a rare opportunity to tell the people who are making the decisions on cycling how to make it better. The Cycling Safety Panel is seeking feedback on their draft recommendations for improving the safety of cycling in New...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Subsidising more pollution will undermine water clean-up plan at Te Waihora...
    In 2010, NIWA found Canterbury’s Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere had the worst nutrient status of 140 lakes around New Zealand that it measured. In 2011, the National Government committed to spending $15 million across the country through the Fresh Start for...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Adding value not herbicides
    The HT swedes, and other brassicas, might seem like a good idea to farmers struggling against weeds but like the GE road, is this the path we want our agriculture to be treading? The Federated Farmers President, Dr William Rolleston...
    Greens | 07-10
  • ‘Blame the Planner’ bizarre approach to child poverty
    The National Government is stooping to a bizarre new low in blaming "planning processes" for poverty and inequality, after spending six years doing nothing about either the housing market or child poverty, the Green Party said today. Finance Minister Bill...
    Greens | 07-10
  • Media Advisory
    MANA Leader, Hone Harawira will not be available to speak with media today regarding his release “Recount Just One Step To restoring Credibility”. He is however available for media comment tomorrow, Tuesday the 8th of October, all media arrangements are...
    Mana | 07-10
  • RECOUNT JUST ONE STEP TO RESTORING CREDIBILITY
    “I have applied for a judicial recount of the votes in the Tai Tokerau election because it is one step in trying to restore credibility to the electoral process in the north, and, I suspect, in all other Maori electorates...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA SEEKS TAI TOKERAU RECOUNT
    The MANA Movement is supporting Leader Hone Harawira’s application for a judicial re-count in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate for the 2014 general election. President Lisa McNab says there are a number of serious issues of concern regarding the ability...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA to fight mass privatisation of state housing
    Announcements over the past 12 hours from the Minister responsible for Housing New Zealand, Bill English, and Minister for Social Housing, Paula Bennett, make clear the government’s intention for the mass privatisation of state housing. This comes during the middle...
    Mana | 07-10
  • Journalists have right to protect sources
    Legal authorities must respect the right of journalist Nicky Hager to protect the source of his material for his Dirty Politics book under Section 68 of the Evidence Act, Acting Labour Leader David Parker says. “It is crucial in an...
    Labour | 06-10
  • It shouldn’t take the Army to house the homeless
    National’s move to speed up its state house sell-off shows it is bankrupt of new ideas, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “National has been in office for six years, yet the housing crisis has got worse every month and...
    Labour | 06-10
  • Government must lift social housing supply, not shuffle the deck chairs
    National's decision to shift the state provision of housing to third parties is a smokescreen for the Government decreasing the provision of affordable housing, the Green Party said today."What National should be doing is increasing the supply of both social...
    Greens | 06-10
  • Election 2014 – the final count
    While we have to wait for the final booth level counts we can now see how well we did in the specials and look at electorate level data. First off special votes (and disallowed/recounted votes etc). There was a change...
    Greens | 06-10
  • We need more houses, not Ministers
    The Government’s decision to have three housing Ministers will create a dog’s breakfast of the portfolio and doesn’t bode well for fixing the country’s housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “New Zealanders need more houses, not more Ministers....
    Labour | 05-10
  • MANA’S CHALLENGE TO THE 51st PARLIAMENT
    Ten years ago I led 50,000 Maori on the historic FORESHORE AND SEABED MARCH from Te Rerenga Wairua to the very steps of this parliament, in a march against the greatest land grab in the history of this country –...
    Mana | 03-10
  • Is this really necessary?
    No one denies chief executives should be well paid for their skills and experience, but it is the efforts of all employees which contribute to company profits, Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker says. “Salaries paid to chief executives come at...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Lyttelton Port workers also deserve pay rises
    Hard slog by Lyttelton Port workers contributed to strong financial growth for the company and they deserve to be rewarded for their work as much as its chief executive, says Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker. “Lyttelton Port chief executive Peter...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Māori Party must seek guarantees on Māori seats
    Labour is calling on the Māori Party to ensure protection of the Māori seats is part of its coalition deal with National which is being considering this weekend, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “For the third consecutive term,...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Donaghys job losses another blow to Dunedin
    The loss of 30 jobs from Donaghys rope and twine factory is yet another blow to the people and economy of Dunedin, says Dunedin South Labour MP Clare Curran. “Donaghys was founded in 1876; the company has survived two world...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Dairy price fall shows urgent need to diversify
    The overnight drop in milk prices shows New Zealand’s overreliance on the dairy industry puts our economy in a vulnerable position, says Acting Labour Leader David Parker. “Dairy prices fell 7.3 per cent overnight and have almost halved since February....
    Labour | 02-10
  • Tasks aplenty for new Health Minister
    One of the first jobs for the new Minister of Health must be to provide an honest and transparent report into surgery waiting times and exactly how many Kiwis are not having their health needs met, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette...
    Labour | 02-10
  • About Curwen Ares Rolinson
    Curwen Ares Rolinson – Curwen Ares Rolinson is a firebrand young nationalist presently engaged in acts of political resistance deep behind enemy lines amidst the leafy boughs of Epsom. He is affiliated with the New Zealand First Party; although his...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kelly Ellis
    Kelly Ellis.Kelly Ellis – As a child, Kelly Ellis didn’t so much fall into the cracks, but willfully wriggled her way into them. Ejected from Onslow College – a big job in the 70s – Kelly worked in car factories,...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kate Davis
    Kate Davis.Kate Davis – Having completed her BA in English and Politics, Kate is now starting her MA. Kate works as a volunteer advocate at Auckland Action Against Poverty and previously worked for the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Kate writes...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Parker does a Shearer – oh for a Labour Leader who can challenge msm fals...
    Sigh. It seems David Parker has done a Shearer… Like a cult and too red – Parker on LabourLabour leadership contender David Parker says Labour borders on feeling like “a cult” and must look at its branding – including its...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • A brief word on the hundreds of millions NZ is spending on the secret intel...
    The enormity of the mass surveillance state NZ Government’s have built carries a huge price tag… Kiwis pay $103m ‘membership fee’ for spyingThe $103 million taxpayer funding of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies is effectively a membership fee for joining the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Where. Is. Jason. Ede?
    Where. Is. Jason. Ede?...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Labour’s Din of Inequity
    Watching Labour’s leadership candidates on Q+A on Sunday, I noticed the ongoing use of terms like “opportunity” and “aspiration”, and “party of the workers”. What do these mean? We glean much from Labour, and from the media about Labour, but not...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • “Blue-Greenwash” fails the test when it comes to endangered dolphins
    National’s pre-election promises saw some wins for the environment – perhaps as the party sought to appease its “Blue-Green” voters and broaden its popular appeal. Some of the ecological gains were a long time in the making, overdue even– such...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Reasons not to be cheerful, Part #272b
    Why don’t you get back into bed? The next few years — the rest of this century — are not going to be pretty. There is an obvious disconnect between any remaining political ambition to fix climate change and the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Discordant Chimes of Freedom: Why Labour has yet to be forgiven.
    WHY DOES THE ELECTORATE routinely punish Labour and the Greens for their alleged “political correctness” but not National? It just doesn’t seem fair. Consider, for example, the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 – the so-called “anti-smacking legislation” –...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Hosking or Henry – Which right wing crypto fascist clown do you want to w...
    So Mediaworks are finally going to make some actual money from their eye watering contract with Paul Henry by launching a new multi-platform Breakfast show over TV, Radio and internet. This is great news for Campbell Live who have dodged...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Families need more money to reduce child poverty
    Prime Minister John Key is mistaken to rule out extending the In Work Tax Credit to all poor children (The Nation 11th Oct) and Child Poverty Action Group challenges government advisors to come up with a more cost effective way...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Don’t shit on my dream
    Once were dreamers. A large man, walks down the road and, even from 200 yards there’s light showing between his big arms and bigger body. It’s as if he’s put tennis balls under his arms. Two parking wardens walk out...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Labour and ‘special interests’
    The media narrative of Labour is that it is unpopular because it’s controlled by ‘special interests’. This ‘special interests’ garbage is code for gays, Maoris, wimin and unionists. We should show that argument the contempt it deserves. The next Labour...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Ru...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Tahi) . National’s housing development project: ‘Gateway’ to confusion . Perhaps nothing better illustrates National’s lack of a coherent housing programme than the ‘circus’ that is...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Here’s what WINZ are patronisingly saying to people on welfare when they ...
    Yesterday, a case manager from WINZ called to tell me that I needed to “imagine what I would do if I did not have welfare”. I replied “Well, I guess if I couldn’t live at home, I would be homeless.”...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • David Shearer’s ‘no feminist chicks’ mentality highlights all that is...
    Mr Nasty pays a visit Shearer’s extraordinary outburst last night on NZs favourite redneck TV, The Paul Henry Show, is a reminder of all that is wrong within the Labour Caucus right now… He said the current calls for a female or...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0
    Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – A Tale Of Two Cities
    Sunday was surreal. I went for a drive and ended up in a different country. It wasn’t intentional but those days of too many literally intertextual references seldom are. There is no doubt that the Sunday drive this week had...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Key raises terror threat level to justify war in Iraq and now the SIS need ...
    Have we learned nothing from rushing into war? It’s embarrassing Key has raised our terror threat from ‘very low’ to ‘low’ so he can justify military action in Iraq. Watching him pimp for an American war is as sick as...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Socialism? in France; Austerity in Europe
    On Sunday I stumbled upon this recent New York Times column The Fall of France by Paul Krugman. Then I caught BBC’s Newsnight interview with France’s ‘Socialist’ Prime Minister Manuel Valls. Krugman notes that the Socialists came to power on an anti-austerity mandate, but completely squandered their opportunity...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • So Snowden and Greenwald were right – again – NZ Embassies spying for A...
    Well, well, well. What do we have here… NZ embassies involved in covert intelligence work for US – reportsNew Zealand’s embassies have been involved in covert intelligence gathering work on behalf of the United States, a fresh batch of classified...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Why David Parker *isn’t* a credible choic...
    The one electoral contest this year that a Labour leader is sure to win heated up over the weekend with the late entry of Finance Spokesman (and interim caretaker leader) David Parker into Labour’s leadership race. I’d blogged late last...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Call for release of French journalists in West Papua
    West Papua Action Auckland, the EPMU Print and Media Council and the NZ Media Freedom Network call on the Minister of Foreign Affairs to speak out in support of the two French TV journalists whose trial has just begun in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Court of Appeal: Dotcom v 20th Century Fox Film Corporation
    A The appeal is dismissed. B The 20 August 2014 order of the High Court dealing with confidentiality and the 29 August 2014 order of this Court dealing with confidentiality are set aside. C The confidentiality orders set out in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Glassons Blasted For Glamourising Animal Cruelty
    Clothing brand Glassons have found themselves embroiled in another controversy after launching a new advert featuring a girl riding a bull. Animal advocacy organisation SAFE have asked them to remove the ad immediately as it glamourises animal cruelty....
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet
    Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet Federated Farmers Bee Industry Group applauds the tough line taken by Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) Border Staff at Auckland Airport. In deporting the couple found trying to smuggle bee products...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Taxpayers’ Union Responds to Joyce on Corporate Welfare
    Responding to Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce’s defence of corporate welfare , Jim Rose, the author of Monopoly Money , a Taxpayers Union report on corporate welfare since 2008, says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
    Today’s speech from the Throne confirms the Government’s focus on children, youth and their families in the areas of health, education, youth employment, poverty alleviation and Whānau Ora; now the challenge is to ensure every child in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
    “John Key has clearly been looking to the US for his latest bright idea on dealing with employment issues,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty coordinator Sue Bradford. “Job fairs where the desperately unemployed queue in their corporate best to compete...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
    Federated Farmers spokesman Graham Smith's call for a 'rethink' on release of GeneticallyEngineered organisms is misguided, and instead it is time for a formal moratorium on GMOs in the environment.(1)...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
    Wellington, 21 October 2014--Mining phosphate on the Chatham Rise, off the east coast of New Zealand’s south island, could potentially have many impacts on marine mammals like whales and dolphins, the Environmental Protection Agency was told today....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
    Te Kaunihera Māori, the Māori Council of the New Zealand Labour Party, have passed a resolution to endorse the Hon Nanaia Mahuta as the next leader of the Labour Party...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
    Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has announced that he will be organising a nationwide petition to seek support from Maori voters to end the Maori seats. “These seats are patronising”, he says. “They imply we need a special status, and that...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
    Josh Forman is pleased to announce the creation of a new force on the Left of politics in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
    A new report by Victoria University’s Centre for Labour, Employment and Work shows that public servants are working significant unpaid overtime to ensure the public services New Zealanders value are able to continue....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
    Andrew Little’s probability of being the next leader of the Labour Party has reached 70% and Jacinda Ardern is favourite to become his deputy, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
    Christchurch Men’s Prison’s Drug Treatment Unit (DTU) celebrated the completion of its 50th six month Drug and Alcohol Programme today, with the graduation of a further twelve offenders....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
    The UN Women National Committee Aotearoa New Zealand (UN Women NCANZ) welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the United Nations Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use its position to proactively promote effective implementation of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
    Waipareira and The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) have signed a Memorandum of Understanding at Whanau Centre, Henderson – marking a special day for the West Auckland Urban Maori organisation....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
    Global Peace and Justice Auckland is calling on the government to provide humanitarian funding for non-aligned NGOs (non-governmental organisations) in the Middle East rather than give any support whatever for the US-led military campaign in the area....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
    The United States of America is seeking the extradition of Messrs Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and Van Der Kolk. The matter has been before the Courts on numerous occasions, and no further recitation of the facts is needed....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
    “The fossil fuel industry is the biggest threat to our very existence as Pacific Islanders. We stand to lose our homes, our communities and our culture. But we are fighting back. This coming Friday thirty Pacific Climate Warriors, joined by...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Many tourist car accidents preventable
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