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Out of the Loop

Written By: - Date published: 9:49 pm, March 17th, 2014 - 155 comments
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As I’ve previously pointed out, John Key’s National government only serves the privileged elite.

But their policy of only favouring the favoured few is not only venal, it’s really stupid economics as well.

The reason why it’s stupid is simple Econ 101, supply and demand.

National is always quick to emphasise the supply side, the importance of looking after business. Because business is, in the eyes of National, the ‘engine of the growth’ in the economy.

You take care of the business (supply) side of the equation and everything else simply falls into place, right?

Fail.

Big fail.

What National neglects is the demand side of the equation. Without economic demand, there is no economy.

If the people in an economy have no money to spend then there will be no economic demand which means the economy won’t grow. It’s as simple as that.

We are already the most business friendly nation in the entire world. I think it’s safe to say that’s the supply side taken care of.

But 30 years of Neoliberalism has left most New Zealanders (and the rest of the Western world) in a state of economic anaemia. Kiwis are mired in debt, they have no money to spend, and therefore cannot possibly generate significant economic demand.

So what does John Key and National prescribe?

More Neoliberalism.

National’s antidote for the poison is……. more poison.

National loves going on about ‘growing the pie’ but growing the pie, ie increasing the size of the economy, is just a bad joke inside John Key’s high cost/low wage New Zealand.

To actually grow an economy, people need to have money to spend and under this government who’s got any money left to spend?

After all we’ve had…

  • Tax cuts for the rich (which worsens inequality)
  • Gutting workers rights even further (reduced family income)
  • Raising GST (shifts tax burden to those without capital gains, ie the NOT-privileged elite)
  • Flogging power companies (higher power prices, but totally worth it for the privileged elite who bought shares)
  • Failing to address the housing bubble (paying more and more for the already over-priced old houses is….pure evil)

These are just some of the really stupid things that National has done (or failed to do) which have weakened the economy and further impoverishing already debt-laden kiwis.

Gee, it’s almost as if John Key’s National doesn’t give a toss if the average kiwi has no money to generate economic demand. As long as the privileged elite, like Amy Adams can flog her milk solids to overseas buyers, and run her farms with dirt cheap kiwi workers then all is well…

We’re out of the loop.

Vote Left.

155 comments on “Out of the Loop”

  1. Draco T Bastard 1

    If the people in an economy have no money to spend then there will be no economic demand which means the economy won’t grow. It’s as simple as that.

    No, it’s that the financials won’t grow. The economy is a fixed size and we have no idea what that size is.

    Raising GST (shifts tax burden to those without capital gains, ie the NOT-privileged elite poor.)

    FTFY

    What you said was contradictory and thus meaningless.

    Gee, it’s almost as if John Key’s National doesn’t give a toss if the average kiwi has no money to generate economic demand.

    They don’t and this article clearly shows what the result will be – complete societal collapse. Hmm, wonder if the economists have worked out just how much that research is death to their hypothesis.

    • Richard Christie 1.1

      It’s a sobering read, that Guardian article.

      • aerobubble 1.1.1

        Two world wars started with Germany, there was no conspiracy. Simplistically it could be argued that the ability of the political-economic complex was incapable of adapting to the change of technology and resources. Oil and automation, added to political vacuum and a populations deprived of choices who were ‘given’ their power back through extreme right wing ideology.
        And as we all know, or should, fascists are either so apathetic to follow any crude argument, or so fed up with the present political impasse that they willing agree to join a human ponsi-pyramid scheme where only the top get to abuse everyone (in the hopes they they get to the top of the zombie pyramid).

        We are again entering a period where very boring men (mostly) are incapable of dealing to the present crisis-es. Collapse in military power (brought on by Bush II invasion into stupid) as America tried to cling on to power after the end of the cold war (which actually meant keeping profits of military, finance and media going). Anyone can now compete with the standing armies, all they need are cheap drones, network hackers… (etc).

        Yeah, so, sorry, to the point, of course Key is out of the loop, the Thatcher revolution was all about taking government out of the picture. Key, hopefully, is the last of those who deal themselves out of the govt, serving some ideological nirvana of free markets at the cost of even common sense.

        As for stupid. Why would we believe growth is key to our success. Growth is just a number and over throttling is just as dangerous as under throttling. Eating several earths is as stupid as communist central control. Its dangerous to target growth more when resources, population, pollution, debt, aging, all start going into the danger zone.

        The problem is the inability of tories to admit defeat and retire, they lost and clinging on just makes them look sad.

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.2

      Hang about DTB,

      The article you link to places a huge importance in the role of wealth disparity in the part of the downfall of society – whereas you link to the article to argue against Geoff’s point on just that.

      … are you simply being argumentative for argument’s sake?

      From the article you linked to:

      These factors can lead to collapse when they converge to generate two crucial social features: “the stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity”; and “the economic stratification of society into Elites [rich] and Masses (or “Commoners”) [poor]” These social phenomena have played “a central role in the character or in the process of the collapse,” in all such cases over “the last five thousand years.”

      Currently, high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources, with “Elites” based largely in industrialised countries responsible for both…”

      • Draco T Bastard 1.2.1

        whereas you link to the article to argue against Geoff’s point on just that.

        I have NFI where you got that from. Geoff said:

        it’s almost as if John Key’s National doesn’t give a toss…

        To which I replied that they don’t and that’s it that not giving a fuck about anybody but themselves that will bring about the collapse of society and probably the environment.

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.2.1.1

          @ DTB

          “No, it’s that the financials won’t grow. The economy is a fixed size and we have no idea what that size is.”

          I’m sorry have I misunderstood this part of your comment?

          • Draco T Bastard 1.2.1.1.1

            I was pointing out that there’s a difference between finances and economics and why the financials shouldn’t continue to grow as it really does take us into the over-use of resources that the article tells us brings about collapse.

            I’m all for being far more egalitarian but we also need to exist within the physical limits of the economy/environment and just giving more money to the people at the bottom won’t bring that about.

            • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.2.1.1.1.1

              Yes, that is fairly well where I thought you were coming from.

              The article also put forward the case that having some with extreme wealth over many others pushes this process of resource depletion forward – that technology has made efficiency gains (efficient of resource use) – yet elites soak up this gain by extra consumerism

              “Currently, high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources, with “Elites” based largely in industrialised countries responsible for both”

              That if society was more financially equitable:

              a) the process of resource depletion would slow
              b) more importantly: those making the rules would be less buffered to the effects of their own destructive actions and would be more receptive to improving the structures so that unsustainable resource depletion didn’t occur.

              I.e until there is less wealth disparity it is unlikely a change in the elites’ attitudes toward growth and profits will occur because those in positions of power are the same people pushing those attitudes and they are the same group not experiencing the detrimental effects of such mistaken thinking.

              On rereading this article it may be that all of us in NZ might come under the definition of elite – unsure about the definition of who are the elite?

              • Draco T Bastard

                That if society was more financially equitable:

                a) the process of resource depletion would slow
                b) more importantly: those making the rules would be less buffered to the effects of their own destructive actions and would be more receptive to improving the structures so that unsustainable resource depletion didn’t occur.

                A) Not a good assumption. If everyone had enough money to demand excess resource use then excess resource depletion would still happen. That’s why it’s important for everyone to know what resources we have at a sustainable rate. The “market” doesn’t provide this information and the profit motive of the “elite” will drive us to excess resource use through a) their own excessive resource use and b) trying for ever more sales to drive up their profits.
                B) Possibly but I’m more inclined to think that the “elite” will just push for higher productivity from everyone else so as to increase that buffer that protects them from the negative consequences of their actions.

                unsure about the definition of who are the elite?

                The “elite” are the ones calling the shots – government and business leaders (which excludes the self-employed, small businesses and the general populace – see TPPA processes).

      • Richard Christie 1.2.2

        It read to me to me that Draco is agreeing with the observation made about the caring nature of Dishonest John’s Govt.

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.2.2.1

          Yes, I read that too – it was the first sentence (the one that started with ‘no’) that I was questioning.

      • aerobubble 1.2.3

        Build another road, increases number, size and speed of vehicles into built up areas, slowing down traffic, increasing pollution and pushing adaptive industries out to clean fill sprawl. How does increasing the costs, time, petrol, infrastructure supposed to be efficient. Its not. Its about doing what worked when there were year on year drops in energy costs, when politicians (life ultimate cheapskates) manage (with media alliances) to sell the absurd (that their actions, policies, ideology was creating growth, not a bunch of greedy arab princlings who found black gold under their sandy front room floor).

        Take welfare, why are the poorest (those with most motivation to change) forced by the state (taxes) to take income support that stops them (70% marginal taxes) from using their free time to give back to the community (and so network, experience and so expose themselves to possibilities and so see and seize on opportunities). Why? well because stressing how those who already work for too little, or overpaid by far too much, how they could lose everything they work for, pressing the button on fear of change, has become lifeblood for the media. And so by locking out a share of the population from work, enough work, or living wage work, the economy will be saved. How I ask, by driving up the cost of labor, by increasing churn of employees, of breeding a generation of workers peeing in the bake beans (fed up with their lot).

        No, its not a return to religion we need. Its just churning out those who pander to negatives. Benefit bashing. Or Labor response, diverting.

    • Kahukowhai 1.3

      Why do you think the NSA is gearing up their spy networks, in order to prevent that collapse a police state will be imposed first. It can be done in a way that was never possible in ancient times. Russia and China went that way and China especially has prospered – their societies didn’t collapse as such they just continued under totalitarianism.

  2. adam 2

    So the next step is indentured servitude – I mean if the poor can’t pay their way then maybe they should have their freedom taken off them. That those who can pay their way, should have all the privileges and the rights. Who cares that in all probability, they inherited it, that just goes to show there a better type of people.

    My goodness this is the natural solution to all the problems of liberalism and why it is failing so bad. If we didn’t have an uppity poor – who wanted stuff – like houses, food, education, health care, a better future for their kids. We could keep them oppressed and downtrodden, and curb their ambition. It’s the damn aspirational stuff of the working classes which is holding us back.

    This is what is meant by supply side economics. The future you know you can love, if you’re part of the elite.

    • geoff 2.1

      Well I’d like to be optimistic and say the next step is to vote this cretinous Key and his band of plundering plonkers out of government!

      • Stuart Munro 2.1.1

        Failing which NZ will see the kind of skirmishing that characterized south american fascist regimes – kidnapping, death squads, an underground along the lines of sendero luminoso and vasts increases in random acts of senseless violence. When cows become preferred terrorist targets the right will slowly begin to realise that they can’t f**k over the people indefinitely.

  3. Richard Christie 3

    .So the next step is indentured servitude – I mean if the poor can’t pay their way then maybe they should have their freedom taken off them.

    No need, just keep them well supplied with more lotto, sports arenas, reality TV, cooking shows, casinos, cheap Chinese DIY gear and a TVNZ news service.

    Despite what the aforementioned Guardian article predicts, the scam has years of life to run yet.

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 3.1

      er…Richard Christie…sorry I have bad news for you …the bit Adam said about ‘taking the freedom off the poor’….it wasn’t a prediction – it is a process that has well and truly started already….

      And any government that follows policies that ensure a percentage of us don’t have jobs or don’t have jobs that cover living costs or, while being on welfare can hardly be said to be ‘freedom’, creating rules to make it easier to boot people off welfare when there are no jobs cannot be said to be a policy that is creating more freedom…such governments are perpetuating this taking of freedom from a percentage of us because such policies create poverty.

      I agree though, that such devices as you mentioned serve to keep those with a bit more than nothing pacified.

      • Macro 3.1.1

        It wasn’t the peasants who begun the French Revolution, it was the bourgeois, the traders and the middle classes who saw that their position was continually being eroded by the elite.
        Those who neglect their history – and those who live solely for the present generally do (the elite amongst them) – are destined to repeat it.
        We have seen the beginnings of it in Greece and eventually if things continue the way they are, it will happen again here. Eventually people will have enough and the result will not be pretty.

        • greywarbler 3.1.1.1

          Didn’t Marx foresee that it was inevitable that the poor would rise and protest and break the class system and claim their fair share? And they didn’t.

          It takes a very clear head to voluntarily throw away the little one has in the hope of a better future. Especially if you have children. If you are forced into doing so by disaster then its TINA, no choice. Usually they need to have helpers, either at the beginning. or willing to support and aid during the process which can be unpleasant.

          • Macro 3.1.1.1.1

            The poor have neither the resources nor the organisational networks. What made the French Revolution “successful” was the organisational skills of the middle class. The were sick of being constantly screwed by the elite. I think that we are not far away (in historical terms) from similar reactions today. Just what the form of reaction will be I do not know. But those who currently give themselves obscene bonuses and live extravagant lifestyles obviously at the expense of others should remember what happened at the end of the 18th C.

    • tc 3.2

      Yes its boiling frogs, by the time people wake up it will be too late.

      Its the middle sector who think theyve got it sussed by leveraging their way to multiple properties thinking theyll be fine…..till demand dies and they discover the health, education etc has all been smashed along with nz and essential utilities sold off.

  4. PhilDC 4

    I always remember a piece of graffiti a water pipe on TiRakau Drive – long since painted over and fenced off to prevent another repeat spraying. I once delivered milk in that area(thats how long ago it was).
    it was burned into my brain seeing it everyday.

    “Prices rise and profits hop. Pay stays low so buying stops. Goods wont sell so workers sacked, dont look now depressions back – workers unite to protect wages and conditions.”

    Still as true today as it was back then.

  5. Matthew Hooton 5

    How do you reconcile your claim that John Key’s government serves only the privileged elite, when two-thirds of people want him to remain prime minister?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11221487

    • Te Reo Putake 5.1

      Bread, circuses and royal visits.

      • Matthew Hooton 5.1.1

        That’s a very patronising attitude you have towards two-thirds of your fellow citizens.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1.1.1

          What, as opposed to your relentless manufactured dishonesty for sale, you rancid hypocrite?

        • risildowgtn 5.1.1.2

          and the way u tory scum treat the common man on the street is disgusting and mark my words scum, you will be held accountable

        • kenny 5.1.1.3

          That’s two-thirds of a Herald DIGI-POLL respondents (laugh), clearly not 2/3rds of NZ voters.

        • Tracey 5.1.1.4

          Surely it is not patronising to say that the massaged message put together by those who understand about hot buttons and subliminal messaging and can afford to pay for the best (Crosby Textor, as opposed to Excelcium (altho I am sure you are not cheap matthew)) are working by making someone popular who is actually doing nothing for the majority or is harming them? That is a fact and one which makes your services wanted by some?

          Next you will say advertising doesn’t work.

        • Mark 5.1.1.5

          Matthew, last poll for preferred prime minister had John Key at 39%. And that is 39% of the 70% of New Zealanders who took part. Land line polls are excluding 13% of the population and 17% of the respondents in the last poll wouldn’t give a preference. I live in Christchurch and 39% is a thing of the past down here. I am a former Nat member and even I acknowledge the party is going to get its arse kicked down here. Key is now a liability in this town.

        • geoff 5.1.1.6

          How is it patronising?

      • Anne 5.1.2

        @Te Teo Putake

        Add to that, John Key’s top drawer and extreme dirty politics.

        A sad indictment on a large bunch of voters who can’t tell the difference between reality/truth and fiction/lies. They only work because said bunch of voters are stupid and ignorant.

        Right Hooton? You should know because you’re one of those who peddle the myths, lies and obfuscations.

    • RT 5.2

      Exactly the question I was going to ask! The replies are telling.

    • Tom Gould 5.3

      Indeed, this post is illustrative of how far the pseudo-intellectual left have their heads in the clouds, while just about everyone else, if the polls are indicative, seem fairly happy with where Key is leading them. It’s almost as if they know ‘trickle down’ was a con job, and they have moved on, maybe years ago?

      Discount the National Herald poll which was taken precisely to coincide with the Tory-orchestrated assassination attack on Cunliffe’s character.

      • Anne 5.3.1

        … Herald poll which was taken precisely to coincide with the Tory-orchestrated assassination attack on Cunliffe’s character.

        +1 Tom Gould. My immediate reaction too. This is the poll that always – I repeat always – over estimates National’s ratings. Digi-Poll would deny it, but they know what is expected of them and they deliver the result at exactly the right time. Don’t put it past their political masters to give them a heads-up as to the date they are to start polling – following the latest manufactured scandal. Conspiracy? No way. It’s common knowledge that’s the way the “Tories” operate.

      • Melb 5.3.2

        “Discount the National Herald poll which was taken precisely to coincide with the Tory-orchestrated assassination attack on Cunliffe’s character.”

        This is real head-in-the-clouds stuff. +111 for imagination.

        The Herald poll was taken a month after the last Herald poll, which was also taken a month after the previous one. If you think long and hard about it, you may start to notice a pattern. The editors don’t just sit around around and suddenly say “oi, you know, what! Let’s do some polling today!”

        The timing of the Cunliffe trust stories came from the deadline of having to file the pecuniary returns. It was a point of interest to see who had funded the leadership challengers, and even more interesting that Cunliffe had chosen to hide his secret big-business crony money-men with a trust.

        Though the piece that Paddy Gower did about Cunliffe’s older trust was pretty average, and likely to be National putting the boot in while Cunliffe was down.

        As an aside, wouldn’t the moniker Tory (Traditional Conservatism) be far more applicable to Colin Craig and his ilk?

        • Anne 5.3.2.1

          The Herald poll was taken a month after the last Herald poll, which was also taken a month after the previous one. If you think long and hard about it, you may start to notice a pattern.

          Yep. there’s a pattern alright. Sometimes they’re monthly, sometimes they’re not – or maybe they don’t bother to report some of them in non election years. It’s monthly now because the election is close. You lack the insight to see the politically biased patterns in the Digi-Poll? Perhaps I put it the wrong way around:

          Somebody rings Hooton/Slater/whoever… we’re sending you our latest attack story on Cunliffe. Don’t print until such and such a date. Herald says next poll due to start one week later.

          I’m not saying that is exactly how it happens, but do you get the picture Mr Clever Boy/Girl?

    • vto 5.4

      It is entirely about rising house prices, nothing else…..

    • thatguynz 5.5

      Does that include the million people that didn’t vote Matthew? Surely that is the absolute epitome of disinterest, apathy or loss of hope is it not?

      • Matthew Hooton 5.5.1

        There are not a million people who didn’t vote. But even of the nearly 800,000 who didn’t vote in 2011, you are wrong if you assume they are all left-leaning, lacking hope etc.

        • geoff 5.5.1.1

          True. Many of them are probably traditional National supporters who have given up in disgust that their party has been captured by the corporates.

          Traditional National party supporters aren’t all as dumb as you think they are, Matthew.

        • thatguynz 5.5.1.2

          Fair point – I’ll acknowledge your 800k correction. I did however not mention “left-leaning” so they’re your words, not mine. So back to the question.. If they are not disinterested, apathetic or lacking in hope, what is your view as to why they didn’t vote?

    • Ennui 5.6

      Because Matthew most of those two thirds are one hell of a lot more privileged than those below them and they don’t want the party to end. This is all comparative, however if you were to try and live like the bottom third you wouldn’t enjoy it much!

      Of course you could try and be a little bit imaginative and think about the bad tempers and blame game that might occur should the markets take a dive (lets face it the world exchanges are at unprecedented and extreme highs..based upon f.a…read Galbraith and you might get the picture of what happens next). Or any number of more and more likely events that might send the repo agents around to reclaim the new shiny SUV as the money goes west.

      So Matt, yes the bloated fat cats that we “middle classes” are (consuming well beyond our means to repay on credit and unsustainable salaries) might just end up becoming plebian voters (probably will is more likely). With bad attitudes like anybody thrown out from the party.

    • geoff 5.7

      Matthew Hooton, do you believe that poll result is accurate?

    • adam 5.8

      Matthew, Matthew you cervical creation of the elites. You propaganda is a vial veil – that us scum from the poorest of the poor, are seeing as the lie that it is. The manipulation of the masses is an affair which has been running for almost a hundred years now. I thought you’d better understand that tool of corporations and the elites dear boy (or are they not letting you in). You distractions into the lies of the propaganda machine are stale, as they are old. Matthew lie to yourself, that I can live with – but stop lying to us

    • aerobubble 5.9

      We keep being told by media his polls are so very very high. And the polling? Well it panders to parties not principles, issues, or ideals. When asked is Key doing a good job, geez, when government does nothing, does not believe in govt of course he’s doing an excellent job… …hence high polling for Key.

      Set the metric so low, flip it upside down, and then the more, longer stupid lasts the more credible and successful said metrics make fools of us all.

      Are we really better off? are we as adaptive as we were? are we better able to meet our expectations?
      How can you say yes? oil will continue to cost more, we will continue to mis-adapt by continued sprawl of cities and upside down inside out ideologies that hate govt yet want to retain govt…

      Will our kids be better off. No.

    • Kahukowhai 5.10

      As the others say it is based on illusion. John Key for example didn’t tell people when they voted in 2008 that he was going to abuse parliamentary process to rush through a whole lot of new laws under urgency, including bringing in National Standards which no one knew was coming. He didn’t campaign on diverting obscene amounts of money from around the country into a handful of expensive and unnecessary highways in cities, or stealing water resources for the dairy farmers so they could pollute the rivers, or driving people off welfare rolls even if they were unable to work. I’ve got a sister who is mentally ill and the only thing keeping her sane right now is that she qualifies for the DPB and therefore has not got Winz hounding her day and night to get a crap job which she couldn’t do as she gets stressed out too easily but all that matters to the Minister is making the numbers look good. John Key didn’t campaign on slashing hundreds or thousands of low paid jobs out of the public sector throwing more people onto the dole queues did he? Or on putting huge 62 ton trucks onto narrow twisting highways which they will pound to pieces and where oncoming drivers are at real and serious risk of coming off second best as these vehicles will swing well over the centre line on curves so sharp that the recommended speed is only 45 km/h.

      And that 67% does not mean a lot as it does not translate into 67% of the votes, it’s extremely unlikely National will ever win that percentage of votes in a general election, or anything like any simple majority. So the preferred prime minister number does not mean a lot at all.

    • McFlock 5.11

      Doesn’t it concern you that only 3/4 people who want key to be prime minister can stomach his policies enough to vote for his party? Or any of its likely coalition allies?

      And doesn’t it concern you that if the polls are biased towards the nactoids by even a few percent, the he’d need peters to get the government benches again?

  6. drongo 6

    If so, how come Key’s government is this popular?
    http://yournz.org/2014/02/09/poll-margin-of-error-explained/

    Latest NZ Herald Digipoll:
    – National 50.8% (up 4 from Dec 2013)
    – Labour 29.5% (down 5.9)
    – Greens 13.1% (up 2.3)
    – NZ First 3.6% (down 0.3)
    – Conservative 1.3% (no change)
    – Act 0.8% (up 0.8%)
    – Other 0.5% (up 0.1)
    – Maori 0.2% (down 1.1)
    – Mana 0.1% (up 0.1)
    – Undecided 11.4%

    • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1

      It isn’t. The National Party never gets the electoral support its polling suggests.

    • Craig Glen Eden 6.2

      Very simple drongo we have a biased media that keeps repeating Key’s good news spin. The people I speak to are struggling to make ends meet are asking where are these poll numbers coming from and as for the economy being in growth mode pppffftttttt.

    • risildowgtn 6.3

      and on all these polls i say bullshit

      pure bullshit

      fuk the way you lot go on and on and on and on its as though you have 30 seat majority over the LEFT, you have 1
      yeah 1
      1
      1
      1
      1
      1
      1 :)

      have a great day

      • Rosie 6.3.1

        Statement of the day risildowgtn. +1.

        And it’s a shakey “one” seat at that eh.

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 6.3.1.1

          +1 I second that Rosie – excellent point Risildowgtn

    • RJL 6.4

      drongo: If so, how come Key’s government is this popular?

      The inability of Labour to effectively communicate why they are a better option, to the individuals that were polled.

      You can decide for yourself whether this is because a) Labour is not the better option, b) Labour cannot articulate their position properly, or c) Pro-National / Anti-Labour spin has fooled the polled individuals.

      You can also decide for yourself whether or not the polled individuals (plus any “bias” corrections applied to the poll) are representative or not of the general population.

      • George D 6.4.1

        Labour doesn’t look like Government.

        Shane Jones isn’t helping.

        • RJL 6.4.1.1

          Of course, equally, National doesn’t look much like Government. So that doesn’t seem to be an impediment in and of itself.

    • woodpecker 6.5

      Hammer Labour with made up bull shit in the media, then do a poll. Any guesses how it will turn out?
      Also did you see the 11.4% undecided?

    • Tracey 6.6

      you get that 50.8 is not SO popular, it’s a slim majority?

      you get that companies pay billions of dollars on advertising (including subliminal messaging and dishonesty) because it works to convince people that their true desire may not be one that serves them well?

      • Bob Square Pants 6.6.1

        They could poll @ 90% and you’d still post the same crap.

        • Tracey 6.6.1.1

          if they polled 90% I would not be posting that 90% is a slim majority.

          you still think collins didnt breach the cabinet manual dont you’

          cos that popular mr key told you so.

    • veutoviper 6.7

      Interesting that Drongo links to YourNZ, not the Herald reports on their Digipoll results. YourNZ is none other than Pete George’s blog site. Remember him – now the “impartial” editor of Politicheck …..

    • Mark 6.8

      At least you got your moniker right. Polls as they are presently done are a joke. No cellphones polled and a double digit no response along with the margin of error means you may as well throw a dart at the board. I belonged to the National Party for a long period but have drifted away after the disaster of the Christchurch rebuild. I don’t think I could vote for Labour but The Nats are not getting my vote thats for sure. Key’s popularity in Christchurch has been severely damaged by the rebuild chaos and Parata’s incompetence.The Nats are going to get a mauling in Christchurch and they deserve it.

      • Kahukowhai 6.8.1

        +1

        CERA especially CCDU is all about strangling the city council, look at what they are still keeping Ecan firmly under their thumb, and the commissioners have been told to run down the Ecan reserves to the bottom of the barrel so the farmers don’t have to pay any rate increases, meanwhile the water theft plan keeps on rolling along just nicely, even if the zone committees cannot agree on anything they have no power to stop the implementation.

  7. One Anonymous Bloke 7

    The National Party’s milk companies can sell to Chinese consumers. Who cares about demand in NZ?

  8. JanM 8

    “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him someone to look down on and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” Lyndon Johnson.
    And pretending you know nothing about this phenomenon is very disingenuous, Matthew Hooten

    • RedLogix 8.1

      Oh how very, very true. Johnson was a remarkable figure in American politics. Much underestimated over the years.

    • Tracey 8.2

      Bravo

      It’s how Mr HootOn makes his money. By peddling the myths and meme planting, truth is irrelevant.

    • Tracey 8.3

      who would suspect that lyndon had met bob square pants?

  9. TightyRighty 9

    you haven’t proven that people in the economy have no money to spend? just repeating lame meme’s that tax cuts for the rich (earn over $70k a year? feel rich?) and that the assets are being sold (if you own more than 51% of something, you own it) doesn’t magik the money out of peoples pay packets.

    Try again geoffy

    • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1

      Personal tax and GST receipts not matching Treasury’s The National Party’s propaganda is a fair indicator.

      • TightyRighty 9.1.1

        at least 47%, and up to 54.6% of the population voting for the government that the tired old meme’s are supposed to be attacking and bringing down because the voting populace don’t have money in their pocket? that’s a fair indicator too. gst is a consumption tax. it’ll be interesting to see what people saved instead of spent with the certain rise in interest rates on the horizon. personal tax take down on projections could mean a number of things. that projections were a little bit overstated maybe? it certainly doesn’t mean people are poorer.

        • Tracey 9.1.1.1

          Do you agree that most economists accept that a tax cut to the top bracket during a recession does not stimulate an economy while tax cuts lower down the pile do?

          Do you agree that if the bottom tax rate is cut, that ALL tax payers benefit because of how our tiered system works?

          • TightyRighty 9.1.1.1.1

            I don’t agree with your first assertion as most economists agree that a tax cut, at any time, let alone a recession, stimulates the economy more through private enterprise than the government can using higher taxes and higher spending.

            your second assertion is plainly correct. i’ve always argued for a tax free threshold as opposed to welfare to those in work. so whats your point? the msm don’t report that this is the case and are therefore stupid for not reporting it as you want?

            • TightyRighty 9.1.1.1.1.1

              i must have been busy as i missed the blatant logic leap in your statements. if the top statement is false then then the bottom statement must be true, and vice versa. good work tracey.

            • Tracey 9.1.1.1.1.2

              can you post your source for your first assertion. i keep finding research and data which ssuggests that tax cuts to the rich dont positively impact growth.

              In the last 50 years there were 5 tax cuts to the rich. Three of them were followed by a decline in GDP growth, 3 were followed by a decline in employment growth. The evidence suggests that tax cuts do not promote growth and probably promote decline.

              http ://conceptualmath.org/philo/taxgrowth.htm

              • TightyRighty

                can you post your source for the assertion you made in your first question? you’ve found “all this research” (btw conceptual math looks like an early 90s conceptual html website, and it’s hypothesis is rather weak, based on a tangetal equation that wouldn’t stand up to real life situations) so it should be a doddle for you to provide.

                How about the tax increases, as tax cuts start from a point too, what decline in capital investment followed their introduction? i could argue the raising of the tax rate to 38% on the dollar for income over $60k by the labour government led to property speculation as it incurred no capital gains tax and the flow of money to the middle class via wff increased income streams, enabling higher mortgages?

                No you try argue something properly…

                • Tracey

                  So I have to continue to prove my argument and you just get to say “I know you are but what am I?”

                  ” i could argue the raising of the tax rate to 38% on the dollar for income over $60k by the labour government led to property speculation as it incurred no capital gains tax and the flow of money to the middle class via wff increased income streams, enabling higher mortgages” Source? Otherwise you are not arguing you are writing an opinion with no factual basis that you have proven.

            • Macro 9.1.1.1.1.3

              Bullshit! Plain and utter bullshit! Everything you spout from here on in is just that – utter crap!
              You say you have some knowledge of economics..
              Well almost your every utterance proves otherwise. You may be repeating some of the myths of neo – liberalism – but any understanding of what an economy is, and how it works, is completely beyond your comprehension.

        • Tracey 9.1.1.2

          what do you think the projections are based on?

          Makes you wonder why the government keeps using average wage rather than median though.

          • TightyRighty 9.1.1.2.1

            projections are based on many things. also, being projections they make assumptions about human behaviour, often invoking ceterus paribus. David Cunliffe was predicted to lead labour to victory, look how well those predictions are going! maybe treasury has to get it wrong for a bit before it comes right.

            • adam 9.1.1.2.1.1

              It’s the lies that hurt. – Tighty.

              I think your under the delusion that repeating the propaganda of the day from the media makes you a intellectual.

              Our politicians are morally bereft. Indeed there actions look like those of a socio-path – if not in thought, then action.

              We use to hang money speculators you know.

              A race to who can get the most money – stop, apply some morals to that question – and it comes up looking a very sick virtue. How about the will/desire for power – again when we stop and think for a moment – apply morality and, our leaders come up – wanting.

            • Tracey 9.1.1.2.1.2

              hmmmmm, i read the words. twice. still not sure it answered my question or much at all.

              i know it didnt address my second question.

              • adam

                Tracy all tighty ever does is a Gosman. You will see hell freeze over first before you get a straight answer.

              • TightyRighty

                they are projections, for all i know they could have got the dartboard out. maybe they forgot to carry the one when they factored in the change to consumer behaviour from the impact of the OCR. the difference between predictions and actuality is sometimes referred to as variance. it’s not a bad thing, but you look like an idiot if it is too large either way. if they’d have gone over with the tax take, you can bet your life someone would be saying they are taxing too much. probably me.

                your second question is phrased as statement and lacks a question mark. I think those people who desire to use median wage as a benchmark are a special kind of stupid. there, i answered it.

                • freedom

                  TR, you state stuff, then when called on it, you blame others

                  you’re serving last week’s bread

                • Tracey

                  “I think those people who desire to use median wage as a benchmark are a special kind of stupid.”

                  Thank you.

                  Which makes statements such as these kind of, well, stupid, or at least meaningless

                  “English says the tax package will leave someone on the average wage of about $50,000 with an average rent or mortgage about $15 a week better off – …

                  A typical family with two children and average household income of $76,000 will be about $25 a week better off, he says.” Bill English 2010

                  He then said

                  “He says the government still expects to borrow an average $240 million a week until 2013 before this amount falls away as we move closer to budget surplus.”

                  Then we have things like this

                  ““Does the Prime Minister agree with Professor Eric Leeper’s statement in the latest Reserve Bank Bulletin that counter-cyclical fiscal policy could actually be counter-productive; if not, why not; if yes, why, then, is he borrowing $1 billion plus interest a year in order to give tax relief of $1 billion?” – Roger Douglas, 1 April 2009″

                  National’s 2008 Tax policy statement

                  “National’s promises in 2008,

                  “National’s rebalancing of the tax system is self-funding and requires no cuts to public services or additional borrowing.

                  [...]

                  I also refer to the report: Household incomes in New Zealand: Trends in indicators of inequality and hardship 1982 to 2011

                  Interesting article at Forbes on the CRS report I mentioned yesterday. Lends support to your argument too Tighty.

                  “The study by Grant Graziani, Wilbert van der Klaauw, and Basit Zafar of the New York Fed staff was based on two surveys of about 200 workers. The first (in February and March, 2011—just after the tax cut kicked in) asked what they planned to do with their extra take-home pay. The second (in December, 2011) asked the same workers what they actually did with it. The results: While workers on average said they planned on spending only about 14 percent of added income, they reported months later they actually had spent 36 percent.

                  One especially interesting finding: High-income workers were more likely to spend the extra cash than their lower-paid counterparts. This contradicts the widely-held theory that cash-strapped low-income households will spend a tax cut while high-income workers will save those extra dollars. If these results turn out to be correct, they suggest that payroll tax cuts may do a better job stimulating demand than many economists think.

                  The Obama Administration designed the payroll tax cut as a temporary one-year stimulus (though it did extend it for an extra year). It cut taxes by as much as $2,200 per worker and by an average of about $1,000 for a middle-income household. The study found that those workers who thought the tax cut would last longer than a year were somewhat more likely to plan to spend the extra income than those who believed it was only a one-year break.

                  Congress has reduced withholding many times over the past few decades and thus created lots of grist for researchers. But their studies have come to widely varying conclusions about who saved and how much. This may be because some did consumer surveys while others looked at spending data, or because the circumstances or designs of the tax cuts differed. Whatever the reason, the New York Fed study lands at the high end of the estimates of how much people spend.

                  Even the authors seem somewhat baffled about why people consumed so much. Much economic theory argues they should have saved or used it to pay down debt. But the authors speculate that the design of the tax cut—a reduction in withholding rates instead of a single lump-sum rebate—might have been the cause of all that consumption.

                  Behavioral economists such as the University of Chicago’s Dick Thaler have argued this for many years. In their view, people think of a large lump-sum tax cut as new wealth and thus save it, while they think of the extra money that shows up in their weekly paycheck as additional income and spend it.

                  There is a big caveat here: Surveys are not necessarily the most reliable way to measure behavior—people often say they do one thing when they actually do something else.

                  Still, there are some interesting policy lessons from this new study: If your goal is to boost spending, you should probably do what Obama did and reduce weekly withholding rather than give people a one-time tax season rebate. But if you are going to give it to them for two years, you should probably say so up front, rather cut their taxes one year at a time. All good to remember when the next recession comes around.”

                  • Tracey

                    a special kind of stupid or meaningless cos they are a statistical fallacy. The important aspect of wage movement is how many people are experiencing the movement toward higher wages and their ability to offset their wages against their accommodation and other bills. Average does not address this and is a special kind of stupid.

                    Gosh, now we both say that something is a special kind of stupid.

                    Here is an ee of the two terms.

                    “Hon Phil Goff: Why is it fair that someone on a high salary—let us use, for example, somebody on a salary of the level of the Prime Minister’s—gets $120 extra a week today, while someone on the median wage with kids gets nothing?

                    Hon JOHN KEY: As I said earlier, the reality of a progressive system is that higher-income earners pay a lot more tax. The reality is that a very small percentage of New Zealanders pay a lot of PAYE tax. But today the National Government has been very fair in its tax cuts. The average worker is getting around $20 a week. It is a very fair tax system.”

                    The average worker is a fiction. He/she cannot actually be pointed to, they are a pure statistic. The median wage earner is identifiable and real.

                • Tracey

                  “special kind of stupid” use median, enlighteneded folks use average wages…
                  Steven Joyce 2013 and 2014

                  ” 2. JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) to the Minister of Finance: What reports has he received on wage increases in New Zealand?

                  Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Associate Minister of Finance) on behalf of the Minister of Finance: Everybody’s own circumstances are, of course, different, but average movements in wages across the economy are shown in the quarterly employment survey, the latest release of which came out last week. It showed that average hourly wages rose 2.6 percent in the last year, compared with inflation of around 0.9 percent. Average weekly wages rose by even more—2.9 percent—and the average wage is now over $53,000 a year before tax. So it is quite clear that, on average, wages in New Zealand are rising considerably faster currently than the cost of living is…. Since September 2008 the average wage after tax has increased by a total of 22 percent, from a bit over $36,000 a year to a little bit over $44,000 a year. Inflation over the same period has totalled 8.5 percent. So it is a total of 22 percent in after-tax wages versus 8.5 percent inflation over the same period. Again, everybody’s circumstances are different, but it is clear that, on average, working New Zealanders have had a sizable increase in their standard of living over the last 4 years.”

                  “Using this measure, average weekly earnings rose by 2.8 percent over the year to December, while inflation was only 1.6 percent. So, on average, wages are continuing to rise faster than inflation. The gains are even more significant when measured on an after-tax basis. The average weekly earnings after tax—[Interruption]; they do not want to hear it—have gone up 25 percent since September 2008, compared with inflation of just 10 percent over the same period.”

                  My sense is a special kind of stupid believes that using average wages paints a realistic or even honest picture of our society and its ability to navigate its bills.

                  50% of kiwis in work earn less than $22 per hour. 50% of kiwis can only get 36.5 hours per week paid work.

                  But for you that is meaningless.

                  • TightyRighty

                    Everything you just pointed out shows that the average wage is a better measure and that median wages only enter the conversation when someone wants to point out how poor someone else is.

                    oh, and that tax cuts for the well off aren’t a waste of money.

                    at what point are you actually going to prove to me that using median wage means something.

                    you’d give an asprin a headache.

                    • TightyRighty

                      can you provide one definitive source that says using the median wage is a better indicator of an economies performance that isn’t a nz labour politician / green politician in opposition?

                    • Tracey

                      and average why do you think i posted something that supported your argument?

                      by all means call me names or make your silly comments but of tge two of us only one of us is trying to find fact for support.

                      of course “how poor” people are is important which helps explain your a nationals desire to cling to the average. any growth that doesnt reduce poverty is more than a spreadsheet exercise.

                      it appears you delight in discussing statistics with little application to human beings yet you blithely say nzers are saving more. BS. some may be, but which ones and to what end. the gap between the bottom 50% earners and top 10% is growing. your average and growth smugness overlooks this.

                    • Tracey

                      you wrote

                      ” provide one definitive source that says using the median wage is a better indicator of an economies performance…”

                      ” What does the gross domestic product tell us about our quality of life and economic well-being? If you ask Nobel laureate and economist Joseph Stiglitz, he’ll say — Not much. And then he’ll tell you to look at median household income instead.

                      In his May 16 New York Times Magazine article about GDP, writer Jon Gertner featured Stiglitz for good reason. Stiglitz recently served as the head of a commission formed by French President Nicolas Sarkozy to identify the limits of GDP. And he and his international team of economists and statisticians produced an expansive report outlining a dashboard of indicators for measuring progress — considered as alternatives to GDP.

                      His oft-repeated mantra is “What we measure affects what we do.” In his view, using the wrong metrics will inevitably lead to the wrong policies.

                      …” Share This Print This RSS Feed
                      Economy
                      Measuring Economic Well-being: GDP vs. Median Income

                      By Anthony Calabrese
                      July 6, 2010

                      gdpthumb.gifWhat does the gross domestic product tell us about our quality of life and economic well-being? If you ask Nobel laureate and economist Joseph Stiglitz, he’ll say — Not much. And then he’ll tell you to look at median household income instead.

                      In his May 16 New York Times Magazine article about GDP, writer Jon Gertner featured Stiglitz for good reason. Stiglitz recently served as the head of a commission formed by French President Nicolas Sarkozy to identify the limits of GDP.

                      Public Perception and Economic Reality

                      In addition to wasting time and taxpayer money on bad policy, the gap between expectations and economic growth can erode the public’s trust in the government, according to Stiglitz. “One of the reasons that most people may perceive themselves as being worse-off even though average GDP is increasing is because they are indeed worse-off,” Stiglitz said in official reflections on the commission’s report.

                      Focusing on Different Measures Over Time

                      Looking at median measures (the middle value in a set with an equal number above and below), Stiglitz noted how median household income had declined over the past decade while GDP per capita had gone up. “When you have increasing inequality, median and average behave differently,” Stiglitz said in the Times article.”

                    • geoff

                      Traitor tighty, this is just basic stats.
                      The median is used primarily for skewed distributions, it’s just the point where half of the sample values are less than the median value and the other half of the sample values are greater than the mean value.
                      It’s usually a better measure for population wage measurements because the wage distribution for a population is usually skewed.

                      I don’t hear you complaining about the use of the median price in the reporting of stats in housing market where it is commonly used for exactly the same reason.

                    • TightyRighty

                      lol stiglitz. that guy. sheesh. where do i start.

                      what your really saying is that inequality increases as gdp increases and it’s hidden if we only use average wage growth to measure the growth in average wages. to some extent thats true, but it still doesn’t make up for the loss of accuracy as to where individuals sit in relation the wage group as a whole.

                      If you just want to measure how poor some of the working people are, by all means flagellate yourself about it and use the median wage. If you want to see how sectors within the economy, professions, and individuals within these sectors and professions / vocations are actually doing in relation to their peers, use average wage. it’s easier to break down, and then we all know if we are above average. or in your case below.

                      geoff, you are a complete moron. have you ever heard me complain about house prices and how they are reported except to say i think they are overvalued and not a good investment compared to stocks? try again geoffy. basic stats? duh. this is the standard of the authors on the standard these days? someone please help the mouthpiece of the labour movement.

                    • geoff

                      Ah ok, I see what level I should have pitched at now.
                      I’ll try again.

                      Ewe iz pooo fart! Er duh shurrp bowt stuf lol Y yoo suche a dum?!!? Lolzzzz

                    • Tracey

                      so it has to be an economist you agree with? gosh it gets narrower and narrower.

                      are you still reading the second article and sounding out the big words?

                    • Tracey

                      Adjective
                      definitive (comparative more definitive, superlative most definitive)
                      explicitly defined
                      conclusive or decisive
                      definite, authoritative and complete

        • Kahukowhai 9.1.1.3

          54% in the polls is not 54% of the electorate, a large chunk have not voted in the last election and maybe the one before.

    • Ennui 9.2

      Tighty, you are right that there is spending…I would contend that to a large degree that expenditure is made possible by credit based upon any number of false assumptions such as “continuously rising property prices”. I would also contend that the spending is highly vulnerable to any number of likely events and could dry up over night.

      Neither Right nor Left have a clue how to respond to reality, smoke and mirrors suffice to keep confidence in unreality high enough to maintain the mirage. Real supply and demand will be a harsh tutor….and this particular Cassandra will be truly despised because she wont take any prisoners. Interesting times.

      • TightyRighty 9.2.1

        I would contend that you are partially right with your first statement. ignoring the fact that for the last 6 years new zealanders have saved as opposed to borrow, even if it is only 3c on the dollar as opposed to borrowing 17c, you would be completely right. but there are savings and a pool of local capital available for investment. we are starting to see the net improvement in the economy as a result of returns to local people for their investments.

        the second part of your comment is grounded in the belief that the government can control the economy. i think there has been enough evidence of this recently to prove that the good government is a stable government. one not hell bent on nationalizing everything to please it’s ideological, but minority support base.

        • thatguynz 9.2.1.1

          Would the opposite of “nationalizing everything to please it’s ideological…” not be “privatising everything to please its ideological” as opposed to what you have called a “stable government”?

          Interesting play on words you’ve used there.

          • TightyRighty 9.2.1.1.1

            it’s partially privatized. the majority of it is still government owned. that’s what it means when you have 51% of something.

            • thatguynz 9.2.1.1.1.1

              That’s splitting hairs – so if the left were to nationalise it, they are only nationalising 49% of it?

              The point still stands.

        • Tracey 9.2.1.2

          WHICH nzers have saved?

          you relyi g on averages or median? source?

          • TightyRighty 9.2.1.2.1

            median wages are a fallacy, it automatically makes the “benchmark” wage lower as there are a lot more people on lower wages than their are on high ones. if we take the stupid measure that any income gets included into wage equations, median drops right down to next to nothing, where as using average wages accounts for it.

            WHICH new zealanders have saved? those who didn’t spend all their money obviously. yell at me like you actually asked a cogent question.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 9.2.1.2.1.1

              The median wage is a statistic. Calling it a fallacy is a National Party enabler, so who cares what they say they mean?

              • TightyRighty

                a meaningless one. if it meant something, it would have been used before the national party came to power.

            • Tracey 9.2.1.2.1.2

              You stated that NZers had saved not spent. I asked you which ones had saved. As you wish to be deliberately obtuse, let me rephrase it for you.

              Please post your sources for “for the last 6 years new zealanders have saved as opposed to borrow”

              You attack one statistic as a fallacy, median, but invoke other statistics to boost your arguments. median is a very good measure precisely because it deals with real peole where average does not translate to anything tangible. median gives us a snapshot of the lower 50% of our working nation or our nation. Average does not, but purports to, as used by politicians and their apologists.

              “as there are a lot more people on lower wages than their are on high ones” – we definitely would be stupid to focus on that.

        • Ennui 9.2.1.3

          T, the second part of my comment is not around government at all, it is around the concepts and ideas currently espoused by both Left and Right that have far more in common than you imagine. For example both are children of industrial growth economies, and share definitions / assumptions re money property etc even if they dont agree on outcomes etc. They both proscribe the thinking and the possibilities of what can be included in any debate, they both frame the argument into one theme.

          As Galbraith said about Keynes “He was for a time, but not for all times”, so to are the concepts of Left and Right.

          • TightyRighty 9.2.1.3.1

            while not wrong, i’m guessing what your proposal would be to replace it would be more wrong than the current status quo. i don’t have the answer, but i’ll know if ones wrong.

          • geoff 9.2.1.3.2

            Depends what you mean by left and right.
            For me they relate to the distribution of power in a group of people.

            Left generally means a more even distribution of power but more importantly, where ever the power is held it is exercised for the benefit of the group.

            Right means the opposite, generally power condenses to a few and that power is exercised for the benefit of those few.

            Greens, Labour, Mana, NZ first are left in their outlook

            National/Act are clearly Right wing in this sense. Hence they are privileged elites who fuck everything up with their greed for power.

    • Lanthanide 9.3

      TR, it was National that decided if you earned over $70k, you are rich.

      • TightyRighty 9.3.1

        no shit lanth, it’s not like i’m making a huge song and dance about where the tax rate kicks in. do you fell rich though? would you feel any richer if being rich kicked in at $60k. seems national might be a bit more progressive than labour on that front.

        • alwyn 9.3.1.1

          Given David Cunliffe’s musings it appears that the “new” labour party approach regards rich as being about a million a year.
          Cunliffe himself gets about $300,000/year if we include his tax-free expense account. His wife, a well known Auckland lawyer and a partner in a law firm would probably have a similar income. He then has the gall to describe his family as being in a middle income bracket who live in a “do-upper” type of house! I can’t remember his exact words but that was the gist of them.

        • Lanthanide 9.3.1.2

          Once again, TR, Labour implemented a tax cut that put the top tax bracket at $80,000.

          National repealed it as one of their first actions in government.

          National have chosen not to introduce a higher tax bracket, as Labour are planning for this election (with enough signalling to suggest it’ll kick in at $150k).

          Therefore, National thinks if you’re earning over $70,000, you must be rich.

  10. captain hook 10

    the National party dont care if its stupid or not as long as they are in charge. Thats all that counts with lowbrows like them.

  11. In 1973 the club of Rome released a paper called the limit of growth. The paper stated that according to this group the planet could not sustain more than 500 million people long term.

    In fact one of them in 1980 said that the US should lose 2/3 of its population within the next 50 years. That was almost 35 years ago and they just stopped billions in foodstamp programs for some 50 million people. All they need to do is find a solution for another 150 million or so over the next 15 years (Fukushima, more wars come to mind) and they should be up to schedule.

    Some of the people responsible for that paper are still powerful behind the scenes today and they mean to get to that number no matter what.

    They are printing their own money out of thin air. Don’t need workers for taxes anymore and with the introduction of a robot army in the form of drones and remote controlled weaponry they don’t need to convince thousands of idjits anymore to join in the war efforts. They can kill us from above and so no longer need to fear us; the masses.

    We are not so much out of the loop as obsolete.

    • Lanthanide 11.1

      “Some of the people responsible for that paper are still powerful behind the scenes today and they mean to get to that number no matter what.”

      Your comment was going so well until you got to there.

      • thatguynz 11.1.1

        So you don’t agree with the remainder of the comment then Lanth?

        • Lanthanide 11.1.1.1

          Stopped reading when I got to the paranoid conspiracy theory so don’t know what the rest says.

          • thatguynz 11.1.1.1.1

            Wow.. Interesting view of what a “paranoid conspiracy theory” may look like I guess.

            • Draco T Bastard 11.1.1.1.1.1

              I’m with Lanthanide on this one. travellerev obviously has no idea as to what the Club of Rome was doing or trying for.

              • thatguynz

                That’s not what I was questioning ;)

                I was questioning Lanth’s statement that she stopped reading at the line where Ev asserted (or implied) that members of the Club of Rome were still powerful “behind the scenes today” and that it was a paranoid conspiracy theory when I think it could be fairly well accepted that some members of MOST international think tanks almost certainly are powerful behind the scenes today.

                I may of course have misinterpreted what Lanth was taking umbrage with and if so, I withdraw and apologise :)

                • Draco T Bastard

                  I don’t think the Club of Rome has always been a powerful force behind the scenes – if they had been I think the world would be a much difference place today.

                • Lanthanide

                  It seems you only read the first half of the sentence I quoted, I’ll quote the second part for you again:
                  “and they mean to get to that number no matter what.”

                  travellerev is saying members of the club of Rome are trying to orchestrate genocide under the guise of the planet running out of resources.

                  Also I’m male, btw.

                  • Here are some members. Kissinger notably was part of the Club of Rome when the wrote the paper I wrote about:

                    The membership list of the Club of Rome includes Henry Kissinger, Al Gore, Javier Solana (Secretary General of the European Union), Mikhail Gorbachev, Hassan bin Talal (World Future Council), Javier Perez de Cuellar (former UN Secretary General), Kofi Annan (former UN Secretary General), Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Jimmy Carter, and Steven Schneider, the Stanford University biology professor who practically invented global warming. Other associates include Tony Blair, Deepak Chopra, George Soros, Ted Turner, Barbara Marx Hubbard (New Age occultist), Jane Goodall (evolutionist), Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, Prince Philipe of Belgium, Martin Lees (President of the University of Peace), Ernesto Zedillo (former President of Mexico), Vaclav Havel, and a variety of UN officials.

                    Kissinger thinks we’re all useless eaters and should be got rid off and soldiers are stupid animals to be used as pawns. Nice!

      • travellerev 11.1.2

        Radioactive rare earth man,

        I take it you are trying to make a point?

        For all of you out there needing some links to read up on:

        Here is Webster Tarpley on what the IMF, Europa, the US and Chevron just to name a few are trying to unleash in the Ukraine on the local people after their illegal regime change.

        Here is what will happen when the 0.001% can kill whomever they don’t like with drones.

        Here is what Max Keiser has to say about us not being needed anymore and a whole lot of other interesting genocidal activities by the way.

        Here is what is happening in China. Something I might add I have predicted for at least the last 6 years.

        They killed more than a million people in Iraq, They’re killing in Libya, Syria. The Greek are being pushed out of healthcare and an entire generation in Spain, Italy, Portugal, France, England and the US to name a few is unemployed with absolutely no prospect of ever getting a job.

        And yes, they are printing money out of thin air as I might add they have been doing when they took the US from the gold standard.

        Now radioactive rare earth man why don’t you go geek out some more somewhere else or alternatively why don’t you do us all a favor and read up on the links I just agave here.

        • Colonial Viper 11.1.2.1

          I guess a global electronic surveillance state panopticon is also just some fictional paranoid conspiracy theory as well.

    • the pigman 11.2

      Your post might have had some validity/interest until you fell back on the “Fukushima is going to cause deaths in the U.S.”

      Let me know when it’s held responsible for one, let alone 150 million.

      • travellerev 11.2.1

        I never said Fukushima was going to cause 150 million deaths. Bad healthcare, no more food stamps, no jobs, no houses will probably do a lot of damage. And I’m sure they’ll come up with some other shit too.

        • the pigman 11.2.1.1

          Of course, you are spot on that bad healthcare, no more food stamps, no jobs, and no houses will cause deaths, I’m not sure as it will go so far as wide-scale depopulation, since the U.S. doesn’t seem to be able to imprison its poor fast enough to stop them expanding.

          What I take issue with is the bald assertion that Fukushima is going to cause deaths in the U.S. (“All they need to do is find a solution for another 150 million or so over the next 15 years (Fukushima, more wars come to mind) and they should be up to schedule.”)

          For me, the last straw was when Stuff published the article about the “radioactive giant squid from fukushima” washing up on the west coast of the U.S. then didn’t publish even a squeak of a retraction when the whole thing was found to be a hoax. I only learned that it was a hoax watching Japanese TV several days later. Which is a fucking fail by NZ MSM journalism.

  12. Bob Square Pants 12

    Going by this years polling, it would suggest Labour is out of the loop.

    • drongo 12.1

      It seems inevitable: Key to continue as PM, and the ABC faction must be sharpening the knives, but it’s a bit too late to change leader.

  13. greywarbler 13

    Rod Oram has interesting comments on Fonterra this morning. e&oe of my report. Worth listening to on Radionz to get the correct gen.

    The government has not released its report on its own responsibility or lack of it in the affair about botulism. He says there is much to be learned and government is not fronting. Fonterra is pleading guilty to the court case and that means that matters won’t come out there. But the French company that is suing Fonterra is likely to result in full reports being shown. Oram points out that Government has not picked up on recommendations of the task force. Kathryn Ryan defending Key strongly, more strongly than I would expect.

    He also says that it is very strange that Key has gone to China as it is unprecedented for a major leader to go and apologise for a business fault, and he cannot say definitely that government is not at fault. As he hasn’t he cannot assure the Chinese leaders of NZ being on top of it. It is really Fonterra’s problem, and Oram doesn’t think that there are lingering doubts there that make it necessary that Key should go. Oram feels that instead that it will raise questions and confusion in the minds of the Chinese leaders that there are further problems which they as yet have not learned about.

    Oram mentioned that food regulations take up 3 metres of shelf space. I think that is the NZ ones. And there are questions as to whether they are satisfactory. There is an absence of a special branch responsible for food safety here which has been noted overseas.

  14. greywarbler 14

    Just hat tip to a heading in today’s The Press Chch – pA2 –
    “Key suggests Chinese lease rathr than buy” from Cathie Bell and Tracy Watkins.

  15. greywarbler 15

    Ooh I have just read a comment from Gravedodger on No Minister. Reading this and some of other stuff on certain blogs gives me the same sinking feeling as having walked on a piece of dog shit.

    • lprent 15.1

      Yeah Pyscho doesn’t appear to be writing there much these days. I may drop the site off the feed. The old farts over there seem to be getting pretty repetitive and boring.

  16. Kahukowhai 16

    That is easy to work out. The idea (chilling as it is) is export focused and completely writes our small domestic market out of the picture. Make labour costs as low as possible and exporters can compete with low wage economies like China or undercut high wage economies like the US. This of course is exactly what China has done and look at how their economy is booming. Of course China has a terrible work safety and public health record but their government helps to keep a lid on dissent so the companies all doing business over there just look the other way.

    Economic development or empowerment of NZ workers is definitely not the aim – disempowerment and impoverishment is, and I am sure John Key and all of his cabinet know it. China is the model for this. With the export demand constantly growing due to the increasing global population, NZ’s small domestic market can be largely ignored. The government can always fill gaps in labour shortages by importing workers from low wage countries, for whom New Zealand is seen as a paradise.

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    The HT swedes, and other brassicas, might seem like a good idea to farmers struggling against weeds but like the GE road, is this the path we want our agriculture to be treading? The Federated Farmers President, Dr William Rolleston...
    Greens | 07-10
  • ‘Blame the Planner’ bizarre approach to child poverty
    The National Government is stooping to a bizarre new low in blaming "planning processes" for poverty and inequality, after spending six years doing nothing about either the housing market or child poverty, the Green Party said today. Finance Minister Bill...
    Greens | 07-10
  • Media Advisory
    MANA Leader, Hone Harawira will not be available to speak with media today regarding his release “Recount Just One Step To restoring Credibility”. He is however available for media comment tomorrow, Tuesday the 8th of October, all media arrangements are...
    Mana | 07-10
  • RECOUNT JUST ONE STEP TO RESTORING CREDIBILITY
    “I have applied for a judicial recount of the votes in the Tai Tokerau election because it is one step in trying to restore credibility to the electoral process in the north, and, I suspect, in all other Maori electorates...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA SEEKS TAI TOKERAU RECOUNT
    The MANA Movement is supporting Leader Hone Harawira’s application for a judicial re-count in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate for the 2014 general election. President Lisa McNab says there are a number of serious issues of concern regarding the ability...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA to fight mass privatisation of state housing
    Announcements over the past 12 hours from the Minister responsible for Housing New Zealand, Bill English, and Minister for Social Housing, Paula Bennett, make clear the government’s intention for the mass privatisation of state housing. This comes during the middle...
    Mana | 07-10
  • Journalists have right to protect sources
    Legal authorities must respect the right of journalist Nicky Hager to protect the source of his material for his Dirty Politics book under Section 68 of the Evidence Act, Acting Labour Leader David Parker says. “It is crucial in an...
    Labour | 06-10
  • It shouldn’t take the Army to house the homeless
    National’s move to speed up its state house sell-off shows it is bankrupt of new ideas, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “National has been in office for six years, yet the housing crisis has got worse every month and...
    Labour | 06-10
  • Government must lift social housing supply, not shuffle the deck chairs
    National's decision to shift the state provision of housing to third parties is a smokescreen for the Government decreasing the provision of affordable housing, the Green Party said today."What National should be doing is increasing the supply of both social...
    Greens | 06-10
  • Election 2014 – the final count
    While we have to wait for the final booth level counts we can now see how well we did in the specials and look at electorate level data. First off special votes (and disallowed/recounted votes etc). There was a change...
    Greens | 06-10
  • We need more houses, not Ministers
    The Government’s decision to have three housing Ministers will create a dog’s breakfast of the portfolio and doesn’t bode well for fixing the country’s housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “New Zealanders need more houses, not more Ministers....
    Labour | 05-10
  • Review: Perfect Place
    I went to a Perfect Place on Tuesday night, and what a delight it was. The marshmallows sweetly (and forcefully) handed out pre-show, set the tone for the next hour. Walking up the stairs at The Basement was a complete...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • 5AA Australia – NZ on UN Security Council + Dirty Politics Lingers On
    5AA Australia: Selwyn Manning and Peter Godfrey deliver their weekly bulletin Across The Ditch. General round up of over night talkback issues: Thongs, Jandals and flip-flops… ISSUE 1: New Zealand has been successful in its campaign to become a non...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • When I mean me, I mean my office & when I call whaleoil I mean not as m...
    This. Is. Ludicrous. Green Party co-leader Russel Norman put the first of what are likely to be many questions about Mr Key’s relationship with Slater, asking him how many times he had phoned or texted the blogger since 2008. “None...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • A brief word on describing the Government as ‘boring and bland’
    The narrative being sown is that this Government will be a boring and bland third term. Boring and bland. Since the election, Key has announced he is privatising 30% of state houses without reinvesting any of that money back into housing society’s most...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • More Latté Than Lager: Reflections on Grant Robertson’s Campaign Launch.
    BIKERS? SERIOUSLY! Had Grant Robertson’s campaign launch been organised by Phil Goff? Was this a pitch for the votes of what few Waitakere Men remain in the Labour Party? Was I even at the right place? Well, yes, I was....
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • About Curwen Ares Rolinson
    Curwen Ares Rolinson – Curwen Ares Rolinson is a firebrand young nationalist presently engaged in acts of political resistance deep behind enemy lines amidst the leafy boughs of Epsom. He is affiliated with the New Zealand First Party; although his...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kelly Ellis
    Kelly Ellis.Kelly Ellis – As a child, Kelly Ellis didn’t so much fall into the cracks, but willfully wriggled her way into them. Ejected from Onslow College – a big job in the 70s – Kelly worked in car factories,...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kate Davis
    Kate Davis.Kate Davis – Having completed her BA in English and Politics, Kate is now starting her MA. Kate works as a volunteer advocate at Auckland Action Against Poverty and previously worked for the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Kate writes...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Parker does a Shearer – oh for a Labour Leader who can challenge msm fals...
    Sigh. It seems David Parker has done a Shearer… Like a cult and too red – Parker on LabourLabour leadership contender David Parker says Labour borders on feeling like “a cult” and must look at its branding – including its...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • A brief word on the hundreds of millions NZ is spending on the secret intel...
    The enormity of the mass surveillance state NZ Government’s have built carries a huge price tag… Kiwis pay $103m ‘membership fee’ for spyingThe $103 million taxpayer funding of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies is effectively a membership fee for joining the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Where. Is. Jason. Ede?
    Where. Is. Jason. Ede?...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Labour’s Din of Inequity
    Watching Labour’s leadership candidates on Q+A on Sunday, I noticed the ongoing use of terms like “opportunity” and “aspiration”, and “party of the workers”. What do these mean? We glean much from Labour, and from the media about Labour, but not...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • “Blue-Greenwash” fails the test when it comes to endangered dolphins
    National’s pre-election promises saw some wins for the environment – perhaps as the party sought to appease its “Blue-Green” voters and broaden its popular appeal. Some of the ecological gains were a long time in the making, overdue even– such...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Reasons not to be cheerful, Part #272b
    Why don’t you get back into bed? The next few years — the rest of this century — are not going to be pretty. There is an obvious disconnect between any remaining political ambition to fix climate change and the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Discordant Chimes of Freedom: Why Labour has yet to be forgiven.
    WHY DOES THE ELECTORATE routinely punish Labour and the Greens for their alleged “political correctness” but not National? It just doesn’t seem fair. Consider, for example, the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 – the so-called “anti-smacking legislation” –...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Hosking or Henry – Which right wing crypto fascist clown do you want to w...
    So Mediaworks are finally going to make some actual money from their eye watering contract with Paul Henry by launching a new multi-platform Breakfast show over TV, Radio and internet. This is great news for Campbell Live who have dodged...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Families need more money to reduce child poverty
    Prime Minister John Key is mistaken to rule out extending the In Work Tax Credit to all poor children (The Nation 11th Oct) and Child Poverty Action Group challenges government advisors to come up with a more cost effective way...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Don’t shit on my dream
    Once were dreamers. A large man, walks down the road and, even from 200 yards there’s light showing between his big arms and bigger body. It’s as if he’s put tennis balls under his arms. Two parking wardens walk out...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Labour and ‘special interests’
    The media narrative of Labour is that it is unpopular because it’s controlled by ‘special interests’. This ‘special interests’ garbage is code for gays, Maoris, wimin and unionists. We should show that argument the contempt it deserves. The next Labour...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Ru...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Tahi) . National’s housing development project: ‘Gateway’ to confusion . Perhaps nothing better illustrates National’s lack of a coherent housing programme than the ‘circus’ that is...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Here’s what WINZ are patronisingly saying to people on welfare when they ...
    Yesterday, a case manager from WINZ called to tell me that I needed to “imagine what I would do if I did not have welfare”. I replied “Well, I guess if I couldn’t live at home, I would be homeless.”...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • David Shearer’s ‘no feminist chicks’ mentality highlights all that is...
    Mr Nasty pays a visit Shearer’s extraordinary outburst last night on NZs favourite redneck TV, The Paul Henry Show, is a reminder of all that is wrong within the Labour Caucus right now… He said the current calls for a female or...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0
    Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Unanimously Call for Commissioner to Arm Police Full Time
    In the wake of a series of recent armed offender incidents, delegates to the Police Association Annual Conference today called unanimously on the Commissioner to arm Police full time....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Bank gets behind NZ wildlife icon with sizable donation
    It will be easier than ever this summer for holiday-markers to dip into their pockets to support the yellow-eyed penguin....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • WorkSafe report raises concerns about asbestos
    The union representing construction workers in the Canterbury rebuild is surprised at WorkSafe’s conclusion that no action needs to be taken against EQC and Fletcher EQR over asbestos exposure in Canterbury homes. “This report was an opportunity...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Union accuses SkyCity CEO of misleading public
    Unite Union has accused SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison of misleading the public over the cut in hours for a staff member who raised the issue at the company's AGM....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Last Hurrah on the Taxpayer
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that Hone Harawira spent up $54,000 on the taxpayer in his last three months as an MP, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “It is absolutely disgraceful that an MP managed to rack...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Press statement in relation to search of Nicky Hager’s home
    On 2 October 2014, Nicky Hager's home in Wellington was searched by police. Mr Hager asserted that documents kept at his house were protected by privilege, including because they contained information that might identify confidential sources....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • The Sam Simon arrives into Auckland for new campaign
    This morning Sea Shepherd ship, the Sam Simon, arrived into Auckland harbour after its journey from Melbourne. The ship and its 25 crew from around the globe have come to New Zealand to source supplies and prepare for the upcoming...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Low inflation – time for meaningful wage increases
    With inflation low, now is a good time for workers to negotiate for pay increases that outstrip price rises and deliver real increases in wages and salaries. “For too many people, real pay increases have been missing for several years...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Auckland Rates Rises Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that Auckland ratepayers will face an average of a 29 percent rates increase, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “These rate rises show that Len Brown's spending is out of control.”...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Protest at New Plymouth Oil and Gas Expo
    About 30 protesters from Climate Justice Taranaki, Frack-free Kapiti, Te Uru Pounamu Action Group, Oil Free Wellington, Frack-free Manawatu and the east coast protested yesterday outside New Plymouth's biennial Oil and Gas Expo at the TSB Stadium....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • FMA warns consumers about cold-calling investment offers
    The Financial Markets Authority (FMA) is warning New Zealand consumers and investors to be wary of cold-calls asking them to buy shares or put their money into offshore firms....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Comprehensive plan needed to end child poverty
    Child Poverty Action Group says it is vital the newly re-elected National government takes a planned and comprehensive approach to reducing child poverty in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Metiria Gets Feed the Kids
    Yesterday the Speaker of the House advised that he had accepted my request to transfer my Feed the Kids (Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment) Bill to Metiria Turei of the Green Party....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • DIA undercover investigation leads to jailing
    An undercover Internal Affairs investigation has led to a Hastings man being jailed for three and half years....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of Balibo Five
    Media Information: Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of journalist Gary Cunningham and the Balibo Five...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Australia and NZ actions on press freedoms alarming
    Global support for investigative journalism in Australia and New Zealand is a welcome response to law changes and a police raid, says the Pacific Freedom Forum...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call for release of French journalists in West Papua
    West Papua Action Auckland, the EPMU Print and Media Council and the NZ Media Freedom Network call on the Minister of Foreign Affairs to speak out in support of the two French TV journalists whose trial has just begun in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Court of Appeal: Dotcom v 20th Century Fox Film Corporation
    A The appeal is dismissed. B The 20 August 2014 order of the High Court dealing with confidentiality and the 29 August 2014 order of this Court dealing with confidentiality are set aside. C The confidentiality orders set out in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Glassons Blasted For Glamourising Animal Cruelty
    Clothing brand Glassons have found themselves embroiled in another controversy after launching a new advert featuring a girl riding a bull. Animal advocacy organisation SAFE have asked them to remove the ad immediately as it glamourises animal cruelty....
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet
    Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet Federated Farmers Bee Industry Group applauds the tough line taken by Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) Border Staff at Auckland Airport. In deporting the couple found trying to smuggle bee products...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Taxpayers’ Union Responds to Joyce on Corporate Welfare
    Responding to Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce’s defence of corporate welfare , Jim Rose, the author of Monopoly Money , a Taxpayers Union report on corporate welfare since 2008, says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
    Today’s speech from the Throne confirms the Government’s focus on children, youth and their families in the areas of health, education, youth employment, poverty alleviation and Whānau Ora; now the challenge is to ensure every child in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
    “John Key has clearly been looking to the US for his latest bright idea on dealing with employment issues,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty coordinator Sue Bradford. “Job fairs where the desperately unemployed queue in their corporate best to compete...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
    Federated Farmers spokesman Graham Smith's call for a 'rethink' on release of GeneticallyEngineered organisms is misguided, and instead it is time for a formal moratorium on GMOs in the environment.(1)...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
    Wellington, 21 October 2014--Mining phosphate on the Chatham Rise, off the east coast of New Zealand’s south island, could potentially have many impacts on marine mammals like whales and dolphins, the Environmental Protection Agency was told today....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
    Te Kaunihera Māori, the Māori Council of the New Zealand Labour Party, have passed a resolution to endorse the Hon Nanaia Mahuta as the next leader of the Labour Party...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
    Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has announced that he will be organising a nationwide petition to seek support from Maori voters to end the Maori seats. “These seats are patronising”, he says. “They imply we need a special status, and that...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
    Josh Forman is pleased to announce the creation of a new force on the Left of politics in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
    A new report by Victoria University’s Centre for Labour, Employment and Work shows that public servants are working significant unpaid overtime to ensure the public services New Zealanders value are able to continue....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
    Andrew Little’s probability of being the next leader of the Labour Party has reached 70% and Jacinda Ardern is favourite to become his deputy, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
    Christchurch Men’s Prison’s Drug Treatment Unit (DTU) celebrated the completion of its 50th six month Drug and Alcohol Programme today, with the graduation of a further twelve offenders....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
    The UN Women National Committee Aotearoa New Zealand (UN Women NCANZ) welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the United Nations Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use its position to proactively promote effective implementation of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
    Waipareira and The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) have signed a Memorandum of Understanding at Whanau Centre, Henderson – marking a special day for the West Auckland Urban Maori organisation....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
    Global Peace and Justice Auckland is calling on the government to provide humanitarian funding for non-aligned NGOs (non-governmental organisations) in the Middle East rather than give any support whatever for the US-led military campaign in the area....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
    The United States of America is seeking the extradition of Messrs Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and Van Der Kolk. The matter has been before the Courts on numerous occasions, and no further recitation of the facts is needed....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
    “The fossil fuel industry is the biggest threat to our very existence as Pacific Islanders. We stand to lose our homes, our communities and our culture. But we are fighting back. This coming Friday thirty Pacific Climate Warriors, joined by...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Many tourist car accidents preventable
    Simple steps could dramatically reduce the number of accidents involving tourists, says the car review website dogandlemon.com ....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • RainbowYOUTH: 25 Years, 25 More
    In 1989, a group of young people in Auckland got together to form a support group for LGBTIQ youth. They called it Auckland Lesbian And Gay Youth (ALGY). After 25 years, several location changes, a name change, a brand reboot...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Outdated Oath shows need for Kiwi Head of State
    MPs are sworn in today and New Zealand Republic has written to MPs asking them to talk about why 121 New Zealanders elected by the people of New Zealand and standing in the New Zealand Parliament swear allegiance to another...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Council shouldn’t revenue grab from windfall valuations
    Auckland Council should state clearly they will not try and capture revenue as a result of the latest valuations and needs reminding that the City’s skyrocketing property values doesn’t change the level or cost of Council’s services, says...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • EPMU endorses Andrew Little for Labour leadership
    The National Executive of the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union unanimously endorsed Andrew Little for the role of Labour leader, at a meeting held yesterday. “I have been speaking to our workplace delegates at forums across the country over...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • World Food Day promotes Agroecology not GE technology
    The UN has stated that agroecology is a major solution to feeding the world and caring for the earth....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Labour Names Review Team
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has appointed Bryan Gould as Convenor of its post-General Election Review. He will be joined on the Review Team by Hon Margaret Wilson, Stacey Morrison and Brian Corban....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Contenders for Labour leadership debate for first time
    The contenders for the leadership of the Labour Party debated for the first time on TV One’s Q+A programme today....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • UN Ambassador Jim McLay on TV One’s Q+A programme
    New Zealand's United Nations Ambassador Jim McLay on TV One’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • The Nation: RSA President BJ Clark & Ian Taylor, New NZ Flag
    Lisa Owen interviews RSA President BJ Clark and tech innovator Ian Taylor about changing the NZ flag...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
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