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Petrol hits record

Written By: - Date published: 7:55 am, August 22nd, 2012 - 210 comments
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Z has set a new record for petrol prices with 91 up to $2.23. The others are expected to follow. We are in a new oil shock due to peak oil. The once unimaginable $2 a litre is now the low price. Ironically, the high dollar that is killing our exporters is protecting us from much higher petrol prices. So why is our government investing $12 billion on deepening our oil addiction?

210 comments on “Petrol hits record”

  1. Tom Gould 1

    Surely it is pretty obvious to most people that if the price of crude goes up, the value of the oil in the ground goes up. The higher the price at the pump, the more economic it is to chase the oil that’s harder to get at. And the more the Greenies dog whistle about peak oil, the more accepting the public becomes about ever increasing oil prices. Big oil must be laughing all the way to the bank, with the Greenies running their PR for them, for free.

    • OK Tom

      Our precious world is facing two major issues, climate change and peak oil.  Essentially we are either going to bake our planet or grind to a halt or both.

      So what do you propose?  Rather than chipping at the Greens what would you do to resolve this?

      And besides the expensive oil is out there but can you afford to buy it?  If petrol is $4 a liter will you still consume as much, drive as far or take as many overseas trips?

      These are civilization ending issues and an acknowledgement that they are serious would be a good start. 

      • Tom Gould 1.1.1

        Again with the dog whistle. Why stop at $4 a litre? Why not use $10 a litre? Trying to scare people into behaving the way you want them to is never a good strategy. Nor is trying to pose a choice between driving the kids to school and “baking” the planet. The ‘zero sum game’ is silly. Time for the Greenies to get real.

        • RedLogix 1.1.1.1

          So what do you think is the highest price petrol can go?

          Are you telling us that it cannot go any higher?

          • Colonial Viper 1.1.1.1.1

            I think max oil prices will sit briefly at the US$150-$180bb range and not exceed it for more than a week or two, ever. Because at that price it will induce another deepening phase of the Great Global Recession, reduce oil demand once more and prices will drop back towards the “lows” of $100/bb.

            In other words, we might find that the world economy grinds to an energy depleting halt with petrol never really crossing $3/L by much. That’s the supply side. On the demand side, there will be FA people left who can afford even that seemingly reasonable price as wages and employment will be dropping through the whole period.

            • Lanthanide 1.1.1.1.1.1

              Depends if oil remains on the open market or not.

              • Draco T Bastard

                It won’t. Yeah, I know I keep linking to it but it’s still the best analysis of the restrictions on oil (both physical and contractual) that I’ve seen.

              • Colonial Viper

                Depends if oil remains on the open market or not.

                Good point. Large amounts of oil are now spoken for under secretive supply contracts or traded via opaque “dark pool exchanges”.

            • AmaKiwi 1.1.1.1.1.2

              CV is correct.

              A global recession/depression substantially reduces demand and therefore prices. That’s where we are now.

              Don’t worry about petrol prices, worry about whether you will have a job.

            • AmaKiwi 1.1.1.1.1.3

              @Southern Limits. Wikipedia can explain the difference to you.

        • mickysavage 1.1.1.2

          Way to avoid the subject Tom.

          I guess you believe there is a magic fairy at the end of the garden that produces oil so that we will never run out.

          Why is it that two doomsday phenomena, the existence of which are backed by real world events are rubbished by some.  Is it that you are too terrified that your belief of ever increasing wealth may be constructed on foundations of sand?

          • insider 1.1.1.2.1

            They are usually rubbished because we keep hearing the same ones every 10 years or so from people with short memories saying that in 10 years we are doomed. We’ve been running out of oil in 10 years for the last 100 years. Peakies are the modern millerites.

            • Lanthanide 1.1.1.2.1.1

              Peak oil is not about “running out of oil”. Educate yourself more and we might be able to have a conversation.

            • Colonial Viper 1.1.1.2.1.2

              We’ve been running out of oil in 10 years for the last 100 years. Peakies are the modern millerites.

              Uh, no, Hubbert’s theory only came to prominence in the 1960’s and 1970’s…when the US hit peak oil basically exactly when he predicted.

              • insider

                No there have been ‘running out’ fears going back to Spindletop.

                Hubbert is weird. He predicted 1965 as his best guess peak 48 production – it was 1971, right at the extreme of his error range (and he was predicting this in mid 50s so in that respect he was 50% out given the short horizon) and he was 30% out by volume. If the Nats were that out in their economic predictions you;d be all over them. More weirdly he revised his predictions in the 80s and predicted less production than had actually occurred.

                • Colonial Viper

                  I disagree with your analysis of Hubbert’s “error range”. He did shift his timeframe slightly for peak production, and since peaking in 1971, conventional oil production in the US has been falling consistently.

                  If the Nats were that out in their economic predictions you;d be all over them.

                  Uh…the NATs are always out with their economic and fiscal projections. Treasury too. Balanced budget 2013/2014 anyone?

                  Regardless, its a poor comparison you propose. Hubbert was a scientist whose excellent theory on changes in oil field production rates over time has been borne out over and over again.

                  Edit

                  i also see you put 1965 as his Hubbert’s “best guess” which is dishonest of you as it was the near extreme of his predictive range. According to wikipedia, the first range he suggested was 1965-1970, the mean of which was 1967.

                  • insider

                    Don’t rely on wikipedia when you can go to the source. Hubbert himself wrote “With due regard for these considerations, it is almost impossible to draw the production curve based upon an assumed ultimate production of 150 billion barrels in any manner differing significantly from that shown in Figure 21, according to which the curve must culminate at about 1965 and then must decline at a rate comparable to its earlier rate of growth.”

                    The 1965 curve was the one he focussed most of his analysis on. The 1970 curve was his upper range, which he didn’t seem to believe ” If we suppose the figure of 150 billion barrels to be 50 billion barrels too low -an amount equal to eight East Texas oil fields -” His 80s revision shows he did not truly believe this upper number

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Citation please. Because I don’t believe you.

                    • insider

                      aren’t you the person that has been lecturing me about what hubbert did and didn’t say, and now you are saying you have never read his key paper?

                      You’re the gift that keeps giving. It’s hilarious.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      No citation then?

                • NTB

                  I read Hubberts papers when study palaeo in 1974. Crap I said, he proved me wrong. The wierd ones out there are those in denial. They are the majority, which ultimately means a lot of pissed off wierd people, due to Hubbert being correct.

          • Macro 1.1.1.2.2

            “Why is it that two doomsday phenomena, the existence of which are backed by real world events are rubbished by some. Is it that you are too terrified that your belief of ever increasing wealth may be constructed on foundations of sand?”

            The short answer Mickey is most likely “Yes”. When humans are confronted by a doctor with evidence that they have a terminal illness – they may at first want to deny it, or they will behave an other ways that one would find hard to describe as “rational”. Humanity is now having to face up to the fact that we are dangerously warming the planet. In deed everything we have done over the past 150 years has lead to the condition we are in now! How devastating a revelation is that! No wonder many want to deny that at all costs.

        • Lanthanide 1.1.1.3

          Because when crude is at such a price to command $10NZ per litre, most likely you won’t be freely buying it from petrol stations. Think: ration coupons.

          However petrol at $4/litre is still likely to be freely available, if you can afford it.

          • insider 1.1.1.3.1

            if it is $10 you won’t need coupons. It will ration itself. We saw relatively large shifts in consumption and travel patterns with much lower recent price movements.

            • Lanthanide 1.1.1.3.1.1

              My point is that at $10/litre, you are unlikely to find (m)any petrol stations open because the fuel will be rationed for state and farm use, important productive things, not wasteful things like road trips or taking your kid to cricket.

              • insider

                My point is that at $10/litre, self rationing will mean the state has ample available without imposing controls, because we won’t be taking the kids to cricket or on Sunday drives. Service station numbers are not historically linked to prices. Educate yourself and we might be able to have a conversation.

                • Lanthanide

                  We can look at what historically happened last time there was a petrol price spike in this country. There was rationing, just as I’m suggesting.

                  • insider

                    In the mid 90s oil was $10bb1 it’s now $110. in 2007 it was under $50 and in 2008 over $130. Quite sustained series of spikes and no enforced state rationing in sight.

                    We didn’t ration petrol in the 70s either. They tried to ration demand through carless days (I think in response to an IEA directive) and it was a near complete failure with all sorts of perverse outcomes.

                    • Lanthanide

                      You’re missing the point of where this discussion started. Tom Gould complained about why we chose $4/l instead of just any number like $10/l. I provided a reason: because the market mechanics at $4/litre is likely to be close to our market mechanics now, just with a higher price. Market mechanics at $10/l is likely to be significantly different, with, for example, the state enforcing rationing and conserving petrol for it’s own use.

                      I also found this from Googling, which appears to be a re-print of a stuff article about the government planning for petrol rationing should there be a price spike:

                      http://mitglied.multimania.de/davd/R/050816NZplansForReducedOilinPlaceNxtYear.html

                      The other thing you’re missing here is that you’re assuming oil can simply be bought if you’re willing to pay the price. That may not be the case. In a serious supply shock, a lot of oil may simply not be traded on the global market. For example, rather than putting it’s oil on the market, Saudi Arabia might come up with a private deal to supply France with oil. If you’re not France, you don’t get the oil. For a country like New Zealand, we’d be quite far down the pecking order. In a case like this, where say we’re able to import something like 60% or less of our current usage, the government *would* impose rationing, which in turn would mean whatever was left would cost $10/l.

                      So actually $10/l is likely to be a result of government rationing, rather than the cause.

                    • insider

                      If rationing were introduced price would be irrelevant because supply would be controlled. Rationing is about controlling amount not price. A sudden increase to $10 would not require rationing controls (assuming supply lines are not compromised) because consumers would control themselves.If supplies were suddenly compromised then it is a different situation, but no-one is talking about that… (although I note you have now shifted the goalposts in that respect)

                      That report you quote was in response to a sudden supply shock scenario eg closing of the Straits of Hormuz, at which time the IEA might call on countries to reduce demand. it was not about a response to the market ramping up of prices.

                    • Lanthanide

                      If the amount of oil we import dropped to say, 60%, it logically means we’ll be paying more for that oil because we’ll be desperate for it. Supply and demand and all that.

                      So again, the government will take the first cut and dole it out as it sees fit, and then ration what is available to the public for general retail spend. And the retail price will be high because the product itself was expensive.

                    • insider

                      Well yes, but, maybe. Unfortunately no-one but you is talking about that kind of sudden change except in a major international emergency, so it’s a bit of a red herring.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      We didn’t ration petrol in the 70s either. They tried to ration demand through carless days (I think in response to an IEA directive) and it was a near complete failure with all sorts of perverse outcomes.

                      You’re full of BULLSHIT

                      You are pushing the usual neolib line that government regulation does not work because you are so scared of how well it does work.

        • Murray Olsen 1.1.1.4

          Pretending things can continue as they are is beyond silly, it’s criminally negligent. Following your logic, we wouldn’t put warning lights at accident sites, because that would be scaring people into slowing down. Time for you to get real.

        • Georgecom 1.1.1.5

          Tom, no need to ‘scare’ people into any form of action. High oil prices will force people in certain actions.

      • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2

        These are civilization ending issues…

        Well, climate change is but rising oil prices is capitalism ending.

        • TheContrarian 1.1.2.1

          “rising oil prices is capitalism ending.”

           Why would that be? Capitalism doesn’t require oil to operate. The capitalist system can operate using oil, nuclear, electricity or solar as a trade-able energy source

          • Lanthanide 1.1.2.1.1

            Yes, and none of those alternatives are ready as a drop-in alternative to power the transportation systems that globalised capitalism in it’s current form relies on.

            Some 70% of oil consumed in the world is used for transportation, and some 95% of transportation is fueled by oil.

            • TheContrarian 1.1.2.1.1.1

              Indeed, that is right.

              Nonetheless though – if we use a hypothetical situation – rising oil prices may push the market into investigating/bankrolling other projects which will then be taken advantage of in a capitalist manner. 

              Hypothetical of course.

               

          • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2.1.2

            Without the cheap energy that oil provided there is no growth. As an example, NZ will not be able to export food as there simply won’t be enough energy to maintain the needed controlled environment such as freezing.

            Now, it’s possible that we will be able to maintain a reasonable living standard based around manufactured goods made sustainably but the growth needed to maintain capitalism (specifically the interest payments) will be gone.

          • Southern Limits 1.1.2.1.3

            Cheap oil can be replaced with absolutely nothing. Gas? Four times less energy dense, which in turn requires four times the storage space for the same amount of energy. Nuclear? Debatable if it is profitable without defence force subsidies and not very useful for personal transport. Wind? Can’t fill up a tank with it, same goes for hydro, tidal and other renewable sources of electricity generation. Biofuels may provide part of the answer, but once again there is nothing so far that comes anywhere close to the EROEI of oil which means its impact will be limited.

            “Only a few economists at the time, and even fewer since then, realized that these perplexities pointed to weaknesses in the most basic assumptions of economics itself. E.F. Schumacher was one of these. He pointed out that for a modern industrial society, energy resources are not simply one set of commodities among many others. They are the ur-commodities, the fundamental resources that make economic activity possible at all, and the rules that govern the behavior of other commodities cannot be applied to energy resources in a simplistic fashion. Commented Schumacher in Small is Beautiful:

            “I have already alluded to the energy problem in some of the other chapters. It is impossible to get away from it. It is impossible to overemphasize its centrality. [...] As long as there is enough primary energy – at tolerable prices – there is no reason to believe that bottlenecks in any other primary materials cannot be either broken or circumvented. On the other hand, a shortage of primary energy would mean that the demand for most other primary products would be so curtailed that a question of shortage with regard to them would be unlikely to arise” (p. 123).

            If Schumacher is right – and events certainly seem to be pointing that way – at least one of the basic flaws of contemporary economic thought comes into sight. The attempt to make sense of energy resources as ordinary commodities misses the crucial point that energy follows laws of its own that are distinct from the rules governing economic activities. Trying to predict the economics of energy without paying attention to the laws governing energy on its own terms – the laws of thermodynamics – yields high-grade nonsense.” http://www.energybulletin.net/node/49332

      • Polish Pride 1.1.3

        Investigate whether hemp and cannabis are an effective biofuel crop that could supply the oil needs of this country for a start. If it turns out to be able to do that legalise it and start production on a large enough scale. Half the size of land used for darying by my last calculation when I firts saw informtion on this. That said the information was from someone wanting to legalise the stuff so the validity of the figures would need to be checked. Interestingly their is information that supports a view that Henry ford envisaged this as the way to fuel all automobiles and farm machinery.
        Not sure if it is feasible but it seems it would be worth looking at and ruling in or out

        • Draco T Bastard 1.1.3.1

          Investigate whether hemp and cannabis are an effective biofuel crop that could supply the oil needs of this country for a start.

          They can’t. Growing plants takes resources out of the soil. If we then turn around and burn those resources we won’t be able to sustain the crops.

          • Polish Pride 1.1.3.1.1

            Not necessarily as it is a green manure crop – it may still be worth some investigation

            http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/tr003

            Similarly potatoes cn be grown over and over in the same patch of soil as they like a low ph

            • weka 1.1.3.1.1.1

              Yes, but you still can’t grow enough oil by cropping without cheap fossil fuel oil to support that way of farming. Also you need shit loads of land, and that usually comes at the expense of growing food.
               
              The key difference between fossil fuels and biofuels, is that the embodied energy in oil, gas and coal built up over a massive time frame. Think about it in terms of solar energy personified over millenia. You can’t get the same amount of solar energy via photosynthesis in the short time frame we have.

              • Polish Pride

                Yes, but you still can’t grow enough oil by cropping without cheap fossil fuel oil to support that way of farming. Also you need shit loads of land, and that usually comes at the expense of growing food.

                That was the thinking when looked at with ‘traditional’ (wrong word) biofueld crops such as corn which are very low yield, require a large amount of nutrients to be ploughed nback into the land and produce one maybe two crops per year at most. Hemp and Cannabis on the otherhand is supposed to be able to do 3 – 4 crops per year and has a (biofuel) yield 2.5 times per crop compared to that of corn quite possibly making it very viable. It has never been looked at seriously as an option however because of its legal status.

                I ran some numbers on the figures I was given a while back and used the latest stats I could find on NZs petroleum and diesel consumption and worked out it would take just over half the amount of land we use for dairying. It can also be done on much more marginal land not suitable for dairying so does not necessarily have to compete with it.
                The thing that I couldn’t confirm was the accuracy of the figures I had been given 100% – they were given to me by someone wanting to legalise cannabis after all.

                “The key difference between fossil fuels and biofuels, is that the embodied energy in oil, gas and coal built up over a massive time frame. Think about it in terms of solar energy personified over millenia. You can’t get the same amount of solar energy via photosynthesis in the short time frame we have”

                See that arguement makes a lot of sense in theory but then look at Brazil who run at about 80% biofuel with their vehicles. so it would seem it is possible.
                The question is still around cannabis and hemps having a far better conversion rate than what is being used today. Then their is its potential use in textiles, paper and other manufacturing.

                just saying that maybe it is time to see if there is any validity to it or not by putting it to some scientific testing.

                • weka

                  “The question is still around cannabis and hemps having a far better conversion rate than what is being used today.”
                   
                  I completely agree with that, and we should definitely be developing that. But it will never replace cheap oil. I think you will find that even if the Brazil figure is correct (and I’d like to see the citation for that), those crops are being grown and processed using fossil fuels.
                   
                  You do understand that oil underpins everything, not just transport fuels, right?
                   
                  Plus, what Draco is talking about. Even though hemp is much more efficient, esp if you can green manure and harvest the crop offsite, you still have a net loss of nutrients over time. I would like to see the analysis of hemp and how much nutrients it uses to grow. But I still don’t believe that you can monocrop in the way you are suggesting (to replace fossil fuels) and do that sustainably. At best it would be a useful transition fuel in the powerdown. Once our consumption has dropped, we can of course use hemp at a local level (probably in a polyculture/rotation system).
                   
                  btw, I think that if you grow potatoes continuously in the same site you either need artificial fertiliser and pesticides (both dependent on cheap oil), or you end up with a potato famine (the blight will eventually take hold). Again the problem is large scale monocropping. Once the ratio of potato to land gets to a certain point, disease will dominate.
                   
                  AFAIK, sustainably farming systems rotate potato crops.

            • Draco T Bastard 1.1.3.1.1.2

              You’re talking about mono-cropping large fields of the stuff, cutting it down to ground level and then letting it grow again while taking away that which was cut down. Sure, you’ll get a few crops out of it before the ground loses all it’s minerals and other stuff that the plants need to grow but it will lose them. You have to replace what was used up and if you’re burning the produce then you can’t do so.

              • Polish Pride

                I do agree with this in theory it would mean that you’d need to factor the oil requirements for fedrtilisers production into the mix also which I never did. Even as a solution to reduce current traditional oil consumtion until a non oil based alternative is found (or until surpressed free energy tech is made available). Of course not doing this and oil running out provides a massive driver to find a viable alternative very very quickly.

                – maybe chlorine and peroxide
                or
                sulphur trioxide and H2O

                but don’t know if either would be vible from an environmental stand point or mass production.

              • Clashman

                In reply to DTB @1.27 pm

                In theory that is correct, but as a commercial organic orchardist for over 20 years I can tell you it doesn’t necesarily work that way in practice.
                I was told the same sort of thing by all and sundry when I changed to an organic system. The common refrain was that all I would be doing was “mining” all the nutrients from the soil and that in ten years time my orchard would be stuffed.
                Under conventional agricultural theory, with the inputs available to me I am nowhere near replacing the nutrients that my crop removes from the soil but 20 odd years later my yields are stable (above the conventional average) and my plants have never looked better.
                Its clear to me that there is stuff going on within the soil and general enviroment that we still dont recognise or understand. I have had several instances over the years were I have been told by highly regarded and qualified soil scientists that some of the things going on in my orchard are impossible and they are at a complete loss to explain it, yet the evidence is there that it clearly isn’t impossible.
                Obviously certain “poor” soil types are not going to be able to sustain production without conventional fertilisers but it then becomes a case of growing the right crops in the right places.
                Thats a long post for me, hope it makes sense.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  What sort of orchard?
                  Are you using any fertiliser at all?
                  Are you using field rotation?
                  In what ways would it differ from what growing hemp to turn into fuel?

                  • Clashman

                    Kiwifruit so field rotation is impossible in my case. Hemp obviosly can be rotated so thats another + over my situation.
                    I use compost and worm castings as “fertiliser”. These at the moment of course use machinery in thier production and application but this is a case of ease rather than necessity. I’m thinking that under a no or minimal oil economy there will be plenty of labour available to replace the machines.
                    From what I know about hemp production (which isn’t a lot) the main difference would be that the hemp is probably a more intensive system than what I have but being able to fallow fields will aleviate this to a large degree.
                    I also understand that pests and diseases aren’t really an issue with hemp but even if they were it would be largely due to the method of production
                    Another “impossibility” I have discoverd after changing from a conventional to an organic sytem is that when you stop spraying chemical based pesticides and fungicides that the pests and diseases largely go away.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      So you are using compost. My main point is that if you take away that which was grown and burn it you lose that compost. This doesn’t apply for food crops as the compost can be returned to the earth via treatment plants and field rotation. Now, the hemp can use field rotation but it’s still going to need boosting from other inputs but we’ll be losing some of those inputs by turning it to fuel. Over time growing hemp for fuel just isn’t sustainable (this is also the reason why I get pissed off with people who go on about how sustainable wood burners are – they’re not).

                      Without the use of artificial fertilisers we’re back to using real economics rather than the inflated and delusional economics that we’ve used for the last 50+ years. In other words, we’ll be choosing where the resources we actually have will be used rather than wondering where the money is going to be coming from and burning them won’t be an option.

                      Another “impossibility” I have discoverd after changing from a conventional to an organic sytem is that when you stop spraying chemical based pesticides and fungicides that the pests and diseases largely go away.

                      And that doesn’t actually surprise me. Plants have been around a lot longer than we’ve been farming them and probably already have all the defences that they need.

                • fnjckg

                  Did.Amen

                  • Clashman

                    DTB-
                    90% to bio fuel the rest to compost? There will still be plenty of other “waste” to utilise for making compost.
                    There’s gonna be plenty of logistical issues to overcome but I would hope the seriousness of the situation would provide the will to achive this.
                    Gotta have some hope to cling to!

                    • weka

                      Clashman, a couple of points. One is that organic orcharding is going to take much longer to show up net loss of nutrients than annual monocropping. This is because trees have much deeper access to nutrients than hemp does (and less disturbance of the soil micro-organisms needed to maintain fertility).
                       
                      The other is that, of course it is possible to grow crops sustainably, you just can’t do it on the scale that PP is talking about, because the removal of material happens too often and too fast for the soil to regenerate. There are agricultural technologies that build soil, but afaik they can’t be used for industrial export cropping. Not sure where the line is exactly, but there is a point whereby removal of the crop outstrips soil building capability. Industrial farming is well over that line. So far over the line that we don’t even have to consider it in sustainability terms.
                       
                      I don’t believe that industrial organic orcharding is sustainable either, but I am very glad that people such as yourself are developing good practice (as well as producing healthy food). When we get to the point of having to grow our own food again, it will be much easier to adapt organic orchards from the industrial model to the local food model than conventional farms.

                    • Polish Pride

                      Ok so what if tice the land was used and crops harvested only twice a year.. would tht theoretically be anymore feasible. Also how is it that potatoes can be grown in the same patch of land year after year after year with no nutrients added. This doesn’t make sense to me so what is different about potatoes??

                      Also is it not worth at least confirming scientifically if the yields are there (i.e. hemp into biofuel produces X per acre)?

                    • weka

                      Who says potatoes can be grown in the same place indefinitely?
                       
                       

                      Also is it not worth at least confirming scientifically if the yields are there (i.e. hemp into biofuel produces X per acre)?
                       

                      Sure. See if you can find anything.

      • Glg 1.1.4

        Build more roads, build more roads…….

      • Majella 1.1.5

        Not “civilisation-ending”…just “extreme-change-inducing”.

        Personally, I’m in business that has always relied on face-to-face interaction (for trust/credibility) requiring a lot of travel, but since petrol has been north of $1.50 a litre, I have more and more contact on Skype and documentation/reports etc by e-mail. Where once I might have see a client in person 3 or 4 times through a process, that will now likely be only once. So, I have adapted (and continue to).

        However, perhaps of greater concern than the personal inconvenience of expensive fuel, is the inflationary effect on the basic goods we buy & consume each day, due to the direct transport component (and the more indirect costs of fagri-chem fertilisers and the like…)

        Would a re-vitalised railway system deliver a more cost-effective bulk transportation service? Too right it would, but fuel is still “too cheap” for that paradigm to take hold, in the absence of a bit of good-old-Polish-shipyard-Fed’rashunLabour command economics.

    • deano 1.2

      Tom, learn the difference between a dog whistle and an alarm bell.

      • Tom Gould 1.2.1

        I know lefties prefer to accuse others of dog whistling, but the peak oil scare tactic is clearly dog whistle. Mention peak oil and all the greenies stab their Dan Akerson voodoo dolls and spit on the motorway.

        • exit lane 1.2.1.1

          Yeah all those Greenies like the US and German military, The IMF, Lloyds of London, Chatham House UK Energy Research Centre … who have all warned of oil scarcity

  2. ad 2

    Not a great time to be relying on petrol excise tax for a whole lot of public transport funding.

    Petrol price goes up, petrol useage goes down, petrol tax income goes down.

    Less funding to subsidise passengers, less funding to subsidise new routes, less funding to build better public transport stations.

    In petrol price spikes, this current fully hypothecated system is no good for anyone.

    • crashcart 2.1

      No thats not a problem at all because the government have just removed the limit on borrowing for roads. I can’t wait to see these beautiful expanses of under used highways streaching across the country. Of course we will see if by that time I am one of the lucky few who can still afford petrol to put in my car and use it.

      • ad 2.1.1

        Honestly if you’re applying for funding for PT it’s a real problem. And getting worse.

        Capacity to loan will just get them over a few programming humps like Christchurch.

  3. Jimmie 3

    The recent increase has nothing to do with peak oil.

    Its due to jitters about rumours that Iran & the US are going to have a scrap sometime soon.

    If we really wanted lower oil prices OPEC is the problem – they are basicly a monopoly cartel that adjusts oil production to artificially keep oil prices high.

    If they were gone and the oil producing countries were actually in competition with each other the oil price would be considerably lower than it is currently.

    Oh well I guess if that happened the government would just up the excise tax thus providing no benefit to the motorist.

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 3.1

      Pretty simplistic analysis Jimmie. Politics has affected supply for as long as I can remember; the OPEC nations do not speak with one voice.

    • Lanthanide 3.2

      “The recent increase has nothing to do with peak oil.”

      No, but the underlying and sustained price of $80+ barrel is.

      “If we really wanted lower oil prices OPEC is the problem – they are basicly a monopoly cartel that adjusts oil production to artificially keep oil prices high.”

      Actually the only country in OPEC that can raise production by any meaningful amount is Saudi Arabia. All the other countries are pumping full-tilt, and in some or many cases likely to be exceeding the quotas set by OPEC (which have seldom been fully obeyed by all players). Saudi Arabia’s excess capacity tends to be heavy, sour crude that few refineries can actually process anyway, which is exactly what we saw when Iran’s production dropped and Saudi came to the market with a heavy blend that no one wanted.

      • Draco T Bastard 3.2.1

        Actually the only country in OPEC that can raise production by any meaningful amount is Saudi Arabia.

        And we don’t even know if they can.

        • insider 3.2.1.1

          It has proven capacity to move about 2mbpd

          • Lanthanide 3.2.1.1.1

            If your definition of “proven” is “whatever Saudi Arabia claims without allowing outside auditors”, then yeah.

            • insider 3.2.1.1.1.1

              In the last five years their production has shifted up and down. It is currently over 10mpd up from 8mbpd two years ago.

              • Lanthanide

                Which actually doesn’t mean they can produce 12m barrels right now.

                There’s such things as field declines, as well as an awful lot of expensive facilities required to pump and process their oil. If those facilities are down for maintenance or repair or simply shut down because they’re uneconomic, raising production up to previous levels may not be possible.

                • insider

                  you are the only one to have suggested swing capacity to 12mbpd. I said they had 2m swing and have been using it between 8 and 10mbpd

                  • Lanthanide

                    “It has proven capacity to move about 2mbpd”

                    Then the above statement is pointless, because it was in reply to this:

                    “Actually the only country in OPEC that can raise production by any meaningful amount is Saudi Arabia.

                    And we don’t even know if they can.”

                    The statement from myself and Draco was saying that Saudi may not be able to produce much more than they currently are. You reply with “they have proven they can move from 8m to 10m because that’s what they’re currently pumping”. Well great, but that has nothing to do with the statement that Draco and I made, in fact if anything you just agreed with us.

                    • insider

                      The Saudis have said they can do 11.5mbpd to 12. Iran’s production is constrained by about 1mbpd by politics and Iraq’s production is steadily growing.

                    • Lanthanide

                      I repeat my earlier comment:

                      “If your definition of “proven” is “whatever Saudi Arabia claims without allowing outside auditors”, then yeah.”

                    • insider

                      Well I am talking verifiable production -ie stuff measured out of pipes – rather than guesses around reserves. The Saudis have a track record of delivering what they say they will.

                    • Lanthanide

                      Up until fairly recently, Saudi was saying they would eventually produce 15m.

                      Now they say 12-12.5m is tops.

          • Macro 3.2.1.1.2

            Yeah Right!

        • Colonial Viper 3.2.1.2

          They most likely can’t, or alternatively will refuse to. Saudi Arabia’s previous maximum production is around 9.5 mmb/day. They might be able to exceed this by a few percent (max) if they wished.

          However, they can also sit back and let sight global capacity shortages maximise their return on each finite barrel of oil they pump.

          OPEC figures over the production drop due to the Libyan crisis, show the Saudis were happy to keep their own production level, and suggests that they are happy to do the latter.

          • Lanthanide 3.2.1.2.1

            Yeah sorry, when I said Iran I meant Libya.

          • insider 3.2.1.2.2

            You might need to lend them your expertise cos these crazy arabs think they are producing over 10. The fools.

            • Colonial Viper 3.2.1.2.2.1

              Yeah currently 10.1/bbd.

              Which is 6% over the figure I said.

              Which is exactly the range I described. Idiot.

              • insider

                6% is more than a few and you said it was ‘max’. It still has capacity to go higher based on recent production, which was over 10.3mpbd. But of course you know better because it was apparantly only 9.5…max, genius

  4. Peter 4

    Can you not call it “investing 12 billion” please. Instead call it for what it is – squandering, wasting, borrowing, pilfering etc

  5. muzza 5

    Actually James I think you might find that there is more than the singular factor.

    You can add the wars, and even threat of wars which throttle the oil supplies as opposed to free them up, and scare the “markets”, along side the ability for entities to control up to 25% of the oil market, in cahoots with the futures & commodities exchanges, working feverishly to hike the price, and keep it there..Oh and dont forget OPEC of course, because they are working for us all!

    Be good to see some more rounded explantions, than the tired “peak” musings, which serve little more than to remove deeper discussions from debates…

  6. Wayne 6

    The change to electric cars is over the next decade will reduce demand for oil, at least toward the end of the peroid. For instance if your car can go the equivalent of 20 km per litre compared, to 10 at present then a doubling of oil prices will have no efffect.

    Cars are just too convienient for people to easily give them up. People are much more likely to buy a diesel, or a hybrid or electric, or a smaller car. For instance my diesel VW Passat does 1300 k on a tank. Ten fills a year is enough. And diesel is just over $1.50 a litre at the pump, though there are road user charges, which are about $600 per year.

    In any event we seem to have had prices around these levels for some years now, with ups and downs. Only a month or two ago prices were below $2 per litre, so peak oil is not the current cause. Mind you the current overall oil price levels may be part of the reason why the global economy is struggling to grow. But the price is also forcing innovation, like fracking for gas!

    • Sorry Wayne there is not enough rare earth metals in the ground to make enough batteries to replace all of the existing cars.

      • higherstandard 6.1.1

        I’ll think you’ll find that rather than being rare, which they are not, it’s that the compounds in question are not usually concentrated in deposits that are easy to tap, and as a result, most of the world’s supply comes from just a few sites.

        • Lanthanide 6.1.1.1

          Yes, and you didn’t actually disprove his point, that there aren’t enough of these minerals to go around.

          • insider 6.1.1.1.1

            rare earth elements are in similar concentrations to metals such as chromium, nickel, copper, zinc, molybdenum, tin, tungsten, or lead. Rumours of their demise are greatly exaggerated.

            • Lanthanide 6.1.1.1.1.1

              And yet the global production of those minerals isn’t as high as the others you have listed.

              It doesn’t really matter if you have 2 billion tons of something and you need 1 billion tons to make a new product if the most you can extract in any single year is 5 million tons.

              • insider

                have you considered relative production levels might be linked to relative demand….?

                • Lanthanide

                  And that production on large scales takes multiple years to ramp up, or may be constrained by physical factors that are extremely expensive to overcome. For example you might need so many litres of water to mine the minerals, and the nearby river only supplies X litres but you’d really like it if supplied X + Y.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    insider is of the free-market school of thought…as long as prices are high enough, the resources will magically appear.

                  • insider

                    Similarly demand takes time to build. See earlier comment on hybrids

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I don’t think there is going to be any demand growth for a long time. In a related example, oil refineries are going out of business and being mothballed; new investment is extremely rare. (Good on NZ…!)

                    • insider

                      yep no one has ever heard of any refineries being built in China or India or Africa. Just becasue shoe factories close in NZ doesn’t mean fewer shoes being produced. Same with refineries.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      insider – the key is that places like China and India see having their own refineries as a strategic advantage.

                      Africa has very few refineries because although they have very oil rich regions, they are far from where most of the usage for refined products is located.

                      The other point that you have missed is that economic decline in the west is deep – as is the decline in demand for refined petroleum products.

                    • insider

                      What’s happeneing is that demand is shifting and production is moving with it. In the West we are seeing peak demand with saturation of vehicle numbers, saturation of travel, lower relative growth and increases in efficiency.

            • mike e 6.1.1.1.1.2

              Outsider its time you had your latest lithium treatment.
              the worlds largest reserves of lithium are in afghanistan funny that.

          • higherstandard 6.1.1.1.2

            Ah no, I’ll think you find I corrected his incorrect statement.

            • Colonial Viper 6.1.1.1.2.1

              yours is the more correct version, certainly. If we could refine the entire earths crust through a smelting furnace we would have enough basic elements to last humanity forever. (Just nowhere to live…)

              • higherstandard

                And if halt or reverse population growth and continue at the same pace of scientific advances that we have over the previous century we might just find some alternative energy sources much to the chagrin of the doomsayers.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Just remember it takes 25-50 years for an energy transition to be made. Its a significant lag time. And I’m betting that we won’t come up with commercial fusion reactors, dilithium chambers etc in time for widescale deployment.

                  and continue at the same pace of scientific advances that we have over the previous century

                  You’ll note that the pace of scientific growth has slowed significantly in the last 20-30 years – at the same time as middle class incomes have deteriorated.

                  • BM

                    In the 80’s we switched all the governmental fleet to CNG as well as numerous private vehicles and it only took a few years.
                    IN the USA there is a real glut of Natural gas, don’t be surprised if you see vast amounts of vehicles switched to Natural gas.

                    • insider

                      Americans won’t even buy diesels. Can’t see them switching to CNG. It may help them cut fuel oil use though.

                    • Lanthanide

                      Yes, that is one thing that, of late, has moderated my view of how peak oil will play out in the next decade.

                      It still seems likely that we’re facing an oil shortage, but the massive gas resources available to some countries means those countries will have an escape route for some of their consumption.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      In the 80′s we switched all the governmental fleet to CNG as well as numerous private vehicles and it only took a few years.

                      And then we stopped switching them as the gas ran out.

                      IN the USA there is a real glut of Natural gas, don’t be surprised if you see vast amounts of vehicles switched to Natural gas.

                      Personally, I’d be highly surprised.

                      For several years, we have been asked to believe that less is more, that more oil and gas can be produced from shale than was produced from better reservoirs over the past century. We have been told more recently that the U.S. has enough natural gas to last for 100 years. We have been presented with an improbable business model that has no barriers to entry except access to capital, that provides a source of cheap and abundant gas, and that somehow also allows for great profit. Despite three decades of experience with tight sandstone and coal-bed methane production that yielded low-margin returns and less supply than originally advertised, we are expected to believe that poorer-quality shale reservoirs will somehow provide superior returns and make the U.S. energy independent. Shale gas advocates point to the large volumes of produced gas and the participation of major oil companies in the plays as indications of success. But advocates rarely address details about profitability and they never mention failed wells.

                      Basically, you’re just an ignoramus looking for straws to cling to while you watch the stable world you’re so used to crumble.

                    • insider

                      I don’t think it was the supply of gas that stopped CNG. I suspect the consumption was a fraction of that by say gas power stations built in the last 10 years – remember it was only available where there was reticulated gas so none in the SI or big chunks of the North. I think it was the cost of the conversions (something like $2k which would never have been recouped), the low efficiency/capacity of the systems, combined with supply fears declining around oil.

                    • BM

                      Basically, you’re just an ignoramus looking for straws to cling to while you watch the stable world you’re so used to crumble.

                      I couldn’t care less if the world crumbles.

                      The only reason CNG died was because the price of oil dropped to around $10.00 per barrel.
                      At 2k installation cost it just wasn’t worth it.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      In the 80′s we switched all the governmental fleet to CNG as well as numerous private vehicles and it only took a few years

                      YEah and look how quick it was switching from leaded petrol to unleaded *sigh*

                      25 to 50 years to switch to a brand new energy technology. Which doesn’t exist yet. Good luck people.

                      IN the USA there is a real glut of Natural gas, don’t be surprised if you see vast amounts of vehicles switched to Natural gas.

                      The shale gas bubble is going to be here one moment and gone the next. Further, the energy density of natural gas cf. diesel or petrol is poor.

    • insider 6.2

      Electric cars over 10 years? Sorry to burst your ubble but the interia in the car market is huge. Hybrids have been available in NZ for nearly 15years and they still only make up less than 1% of new car sales. The maths is against you.

    • Lanthanide 6.3

      There are approximately 2 billion cars in the world with 100m new ones being added each year.

      Electric cars aren’t going to be making any sizeable inroads into the fleet any time soon.

    • Tom Gould 6.4

      At last, someone is thinking, Wayne. But even this confounds the Greenies. We can have plenty of renewable electricity to power all our electric vehicles, but that might mean building a dam or two, and we can’t have that either. What are these latter day luddites going to do, other than chant slogans and preach doom? They remind me of those poor folks who wander the streets with a sandwich board declaring ‘the end is nigh’.

      • weka 6.4.1

        How are you going to build the dams without cheap oil?

      • mike e 6.4.2

        TG even bill english said hydro dams are now to expensive to construct.
        not coming up will credible alternatives makes you the luddite burying your head in the oil sands.
        NZ has a history of not adapting to the new realities until it is to late atleast we are discussing the alternatives just bullying every body is not discussing, lets have some more ideas TG.

      • Draco T Bastard 6.4.3

        but that might mean building a dam or two

        No places left to build dams. Don’t need them anyway as wind and solar will work fine. Doesn’t mean that we’re going to have cars though – they’re far too inefficient and thus living sustainably will rule them out. Basic economics.

        What are these latter day luddites going to do…

        Why don’t you ask John Key – he’s the one in charge of the party that wants to take us back to feudalism.

    • Colonial Viper 6.5

      The change to electric cars is over the next decade will reduce demand for oil

      Yes I can see half a million new electric cars coming online in NZ over the next 10 years Wayne.

      Hands up everyone who is prepared to shell out $80,000 on a new GM Volt.

      • fatty 6.5.1

        I’m gonna hold out till 2015 for those hover-cars that run on rubbish

      • Wayne 6.5.2

        OK, so electric cars will take time to really affect the market , though I think the shift will take place faster than hybrids, since they have a more obvious advantage. Manufacturers do look like they are gearing up for a major production boost from 2015 onward. The price will fall pretty quickly from current levels.

        However, diesel cars have already got a major market presence and that is because they are very efficient. My annual fuel bill in the VW Passat for 12,000 kms is $1800 including road user charges. The latest model apparently uses even less fuel.

      • Draco T Bastard 6.5.3

        GM Volt? Stuff that, I’ll has me a Delorean.

  7. insider 7

    It’s not really a record. No account is taken for inflation and tax increases.

  8. Sweet Jesus,

    Enough with the peak oil already.
    The oil production is not diminishing but the banksters are printing money out of thin air buying oil in order to speculate with it.

    Do we have a Peak oil situation? Not yet.

    • Draco T Bastard 8.1

      We’ve had a Peak Oil situation for the last 5 or 6 years. Yes, the banksters are speculating as well but that doesn’t remove the underlying physical reality.

      • muzza 8.1.1

        Quite, but the peak argument is not the key ingredient to the prices, speculation is!

        • travellerev 8.1.1.1

          Demand is down in China, India, the US and Europe.

          There is oil being produced at record amounts and we have a run away situation with Europe collapsing financially and both the Reserve bank of New York and Europe bailing out banks countries with digital 0’s and 1’s in order to kick start economies hollowed out be the destruction of their production i.e. real world wealth creation in favour of fraudulent financial derivatives and speculative commodity trading as the only source of “wealth” and you keep going on about peak oil?

          The way the collapse is shaping up the global population will be gone before the oil runs out.

          • Lanthanide 8.1.1.1.1

            First time I’ve heard that demand is down in China and India. Can you produce evidence to back that up?

            • vto 8.1.1.1.1.1

              There s heaps. Can be read in the dailys. Can be seen in the asset sale drama with solid energy (coal demand down leading prices way down).

              This is like th slowest train wreck

              • Colonial Viper

                Agreed. If you look at Solid Energy press releases, Q4 last year and Q1 this year, they were trumpeting high coal prices and major profit growth.

                All of a sudden, by Q3, things have changed a lot. There are some reports that China is refusing to let ships full of contracted coal and iron ore dock in its ports because it has unused stockpiles up the wazoo.

                This is like th slowest train wreck

                Yep. And no official economic numbers out of China can be trusted.

                Australia is screwed. Watch for the tide of Kiwis starting to flow back next 6 months.

            • GregJ 8.1.1.1.1.2

              Lanth,

              In the case of China perhaps this: China oil demand posts first fall

              However it hardly indicates a trend at this stage and India’s demand seems to be rising: India crude oil demand…

              I suspect it is all a bit more complex than Travellerev might think though.

              • No GregJ, It is actually not that complicated. US + Europe collapsing means China and India collapse too since their economies were based on selling slave labour to the US and Europe and not on an internal build up of their economy based on their own populations.

                And GregJ a word of advice: By the time you, like me, read about a hundred publications a day in order to educate myself you can get back with the patronising OK. Until you do you might want to simmer down a bit.

    • Conventional oil production has grown only 0.5% between 2005 and 2010. The gap has been mostly filled by unconventional production.

      Speculation only plays a small amount into the overall price of oil.

      “According to St. Louis Fed economists Luciana Juvenal and Ivan Petrella, speculation in oil markets was the second-biggest factor behind the past decade’s price run-up, behind increased global demand for oil, which accounted for 40 percent of the increase.

      “Speculation was the second-largest contributor to oil prices and accounted for about 15 percent of the rise,” the economists wrote. “The effect that speculation had on oil prices over this period coincides closely with the dramatic rise in commodity index trading — resulting in concerns voiced by policymakers.

      The most recent Fed study concludes that economic fundamentals are still the primary determinant, saying only that speculation can “exacerbate” price swings.”

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/wall-street-speculation-oil-price_n_1367896.html

      • Colonial Viper 8.2.1

        Yep. The economic and demand destruction of relatively high oil prices will mean that few will be able to afford oil even as there is still quite a bit of it around.

        One expected consequence: economic and bureacratic systems are all going to decomplexify. As the energy to keep complex arrangements going becomes scarcer.

        • Southern Limits 8.2.1.1

          Exactly. To quote JMG again on his theory of catabolic collapse:

          “The only reliable way to solve a crisis that’s caused by rising maintenance costs is to cut those costs, and the most effective way of cutting maintenance needs is to tip some fraction of the stuff that would otherwise have to be maintained into the nearest available dumpster. That’s rarely popular, and many complex societies resist it as long as they possibly can, but once it happens the usual result is at least a temporary resolution of the crisis. Now of course the normal human response to the end of a crisis is the resumption of business as usual, which in the case of a complex society generally amounts to amassing more stuff. Thus the normal rhythm of history in complex societies cycles back and forth between building up, or anabolism, and breaking down, or catabolism. Societies that have been around a while – China comes to mind – have cycled up and down through this process dozens of times, with periods of prosperity and major infrastructure projects alternating with periods of impoverishment and infrastructure breakdown.”

          http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.co.nz/2011/01/onset-of-catabolic-collapse.html

  9. Hilary 9

    I am surprised that there seem to be so many (mainly men) who assume that the private car will always be around, everyone will have one, and that something will just turn up to fuel them. Whereas the reality is that this is probably the last generation with access to such transport.

    I also know so many people who don’t drive who are completely overlooked in the current obsession with big motorways. Our remaining precious resources need to go into widespread public transport infrastructure fuelled by renewables such as electricity.

    • Carol 9.1

      Indeed, Hilary.

      I use my car mostly for short journeys about once or twice a week, these days. I do prefer it for going out at night. But, as I get older I’m looking towards giving up driving completely.

      Among other considerations, I’ve just had enough of the (minority) of selfish, and dangerous drivers on the roads, who treat car driving as some kind of competition. I don’t understand what they think they achieve by getting 2 inches further down the road than another driver.

      • Lanthanide 9.1.1

        “I don’t understand what they think they achieve by getting 2 inches further down the road than another driver.”

        My favourite is pulling up alongside them at red traffic lights.

      • fnjckg 9.1.2

        I have not renewed license which xpird this year and am in my forties. Just cycle.
        Cycle-cycle-Cycle

    • It is one of the greatest myths of modern industrial society that we are somehow a “chosen people” that will never see hard times.

    • lostinsuburbia 9.3

      Yep, the trick is to actually have smarter urban forms that don’t require people to travel long distances for work, education, and recreation. Of course that doesn’t deal with energy use for food production etc, but at least resources can be diverted to better use than being burnt in an idling engine at the traffic lights.

  10. DH 10

    My understanding is the recent oil price increase is down to the sanctions against Iran. The US has pushed Japan & Korea to stop buying Iranian oil which has led to increased demand from other suppliers & pushed the price up.

    I think oil has to go up in price more for us to wean ourselves off it. Basic economics says that the price of a finite resource will keep going up with increasing demand until it meets or exceeds the price of an alternative. When that stage is reached the demand will then switch to the alternative which is hopefully an environmentally friendly one.

    So for us car drivers it’s not good for the bank balance but in the longer term it probably is a good thing. I wonder how competitive rail would be against road today if we’d electrified our rail network 30yrs ago like we should have done.

    • Draco T Bastard 10.1

      I wonder how competitive rail would be against road today if we’d electrified our rail network 30yrs ago like we should have done.

      If trucks weren’t being massively subsidised by cars then they wouldn’t be on the road today. If we’d electrified the rail 30 years ago there’s no way that trucking would have had a chance to become competitive.

  11. Colonial Viper 11

    So English says Solid Energy is in no commercial condition to be sold.

    But with the sale now unlikely, the Government can’t rely on a cent.

    “This is the wrong time,” says Labour MP Clayton Cosgrove. “You have a global financial meltdown, you have Treaty claims court action now. This John Key has stuffed it up from start to finish.”

    Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Asset-sales-in-Air-New-Zealand-also-doubful-this-term/tabid/1607/articleID/266255/Default.aspx#ixzz24E0LvbXk

    Can Cosgrove please describe on Labour’s behalf when a ‘good’ time to sell Solid Energy would be.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Asset-sales-in-Air-New-Zealand-also-doubful-this-term/tabid/1607/articleID/266255/Default.aspx

  12. weka 12

    btw Richard Heinberg is back in NZ in Sept. Disappointing he is only speaking in Auckland, but here are the details
     
    http://richardheinberg.com/event/australia-speaking-tour

  13. I just put this up today, may interest some of you: Mind the Gap: The Difference Between Brent and WTI

    “There is much talk in the media about “oil prices” especially when it begins to hurt consumers at the fuel pump. Prices are sometimes referred to as Brent crude or West Texas Intermediate (WTI) or sometimes just as oil. So what does this all mean and what are the differences?”

    http://www.southernlimitsnz.com/2012/08/mind-gap-difference-between-brent-and.html

  14. gareth 14

    I guess the other thing softening the blow is ever increasing fuel efficiency… 10 Years ago my car would burn @12L every 100km, my current car burns @7L every 100km. For how long technological gains can keep up with rising prices is a different story…

    • Many of these efficiencies are meaningless though when you taken into account people driving further, air conditioning, buying larger vehicles etc.

      “….Hybrid technology, it seems, is being used in much the same way as earlier under-the-hood innovations that increased gasoline efficiency: to satisfy the American appetite for acceleration and bulk….Consumer Reports, in an article published in May, found that in actual on-the-road conditions the Accord hybrid averaged 25 (miles per gallon), versus 24 mpg for the 4-cylinder model and 23 mpg for the nonhybrid V-6….If every car in the country were converted to a hybrid with that improved mileage, the gain would be swallowed up in three to four years by growth in driving demand.”
      -“Hybrid Cars Burning Gas in the Drive for Power”, New York Times, 17 July 2005

      “At the launch of the new-generation Toyota Prius in Sydney yesterday, chief engineer Akihiko Otsuka admitted the company had opted for a bigger, more powerful engine because customers had demanded it….”With a different approach, we could have done even better. However, customers told us they wanted more performance. In response, we selected a larger engine.””
      -“Prius a paler shade of green”, The Age, 7 July 2009

      Data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows that between 1995 and 2007 fuel economy of the average passenger vehicle has remained relatively unchanged.

    • insider 14.2

      Change to a diesel, gain another 20to 30%, maybe add a hybrid to that diesel to get 3.8 L/100 km which the new Peugeot is getting

      • gareth 14.2.1

        There ya go once the fleet starts getting that economical it absorbs a lot of the fuel price increase.
        Only snag is those that suffer through fuel price increases the most, are the least able to afford vehicles that achieve excellent fuel effiencey.

        • weka 14.2.1.1

          How much cheap oil is needed to build all the new cars to replace the existing fleet? How long will that take? A reliable analysis please.
           
           

          • Colonial Viper 14.2.1.1.1

            :)

            Well there are all those diesel powered heavy machines to mine the iron ore. Then there are all those diesel powered heavy machines to transport the iron ore to the port. Then there are all those diesel powered ore ships to transport the iron ore to the refinery in Japan (or wherever). Then there is all the coal and fuel oil required to generate the electricity to power the refinery, and coke to smelt the iron ore and machines to form it into steel billets.

            etc. etc.

      • mike e 14.2.2

        Outsider.Diesels are only more economical on long runs 97% of all car use is short runs.
        Hybrids are more expensive because they use more energy in construction as much as a v8 prado uses in construction and 400,000 kms of motoring.Thats before the hybrid actually does any running.
        Better off with a Honda Jazz.

    • Colonial Viper 14.3

      10 Years ago my car would burn @12L every 100km, my current car burns @7L every 100km.

      2002 V6 Falcon would chug through 12L/100km no probs. How much does a comparable Falcon get now? 10.5L/100km maybe. Some minor improvement.

      But a 2002 Honda Civic would have been at 7L/100km no probs. And today maybe a fractionally better again.

  15. Fortran 15

    When the Iranians block the Straights of Hormuz (35kms across) then watch the price rocket.
    25% of the World’s oil goes through there.

    • I think that will be extremely unlikely. Blocking the Straight of Hormuz is effectively declaring war on the rest of the world.

      • Colonial Viper 15.1.1

        Yep. The Iranian government will not do anything which risks bringing a direct military attack on themselves by the US/Nato. They are smart operators and self destruction is not what they have in mind.

        • Clashman 15.1.1.1

          Unless they are attacked first, but then I think we may have bigger worries than the price of oil.

      • Draco T Bastard 15.1.2

        Effectively, yes but the rest of the world won’t be able to do anything about it as they won’t be able to afford the gas bill :twisted:

  16. fatty 16

    I had to buy a 2 new tyres for my cycle in April. $80. I think I bought a tube last summer too. $10.
    Cycling keeps me fit & healthy, is fun, saves me money, is environmentally friendly, and is often quicker than driving in Chch.
    I’m glad I cannot afford a car…it would effect my quality of life.
    One of my greatest pleasures in life is biking past a fat person who is stuck in their car, in traffic.
    Definition of stupid: A person that drives to a gym and then uses a treadmill/exercycle.

    • Carol 16.1

      Definition of stupid: A person that drives to a gym and then uses a treadmill/exercycle.

      Unless they are like me with an injury disability that now prevents me from cycling (it was my dream to use a cycle as my main means of transport into my old age). I do walk, but also an exercise machine. The machine is lower impact than walking – too much fast walking on hard pavements is not kind to my body.

  17. infused 17

    The price is ‘artificially’ at this level. Look at the oil companies profits.

    “So why is our government investing $12 billion on deepening our oil addiction?”

    Try reading history. The price has always gone up, we’ve always built roads. You think when oil goes, we’re not going to use roads?

    This might be helpful: http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif

    So suddenly 9/11 and we are running out of oil?

    Give me a break.

    They will sustain this for as long as possible and drop it. If an alternative fuel comes out, they will drop it to make it nonviable.

    • Draco T Bastard 17.1

      Try reading history. The price has always gone up, we’ve always built roads. You think when oil goes, we’re not going to use roads?

      So, tell us, what’s the difference in the amount of roads that the Roman Empire had compared to the amount of roads that we have today. Also, are there better alternatives today that the Romans didn’t have?

      So suddenly 9/11 and we are running out of oil?

      No, because the facts tell us that oil production isn’t increasing any more and is likely to decline.

      They will sustain this for as long as possible and drop it. If an alternative fuel comes out, they will drop it to make it nonviable.

      Ah, so it’s a conspiracy is it?

      • Colonial Viper 17.1.1

        infused is going to have to come up with all kinds of BS for why economic decline over the next [foreseeable future] is occurring.

      • infused 17.1.2

        That’s hardly a conspiracy. It happens in most industries.

        Also, your graph shows production increasing…. *likely* isn’t fact.

        • Draco T Bastard 17.1.2.1

          Did you notice the nice horizontal blue line labelled Crude Oil: Fields yet to be found and did you know that oil finds have been decreasing since the 1960s and thus there’s no way that that blue line can exist. Yep, the IEA was lying on that one – probably didn’t want to scare the horses or something. Take away that blue line and production decreases. Unconventional oil? Well, we’ll see where that goes – suffice to say that I think the IEA was being a little over confident on that as well.

  18. AmaKiwi 18

    The economy is going down because we, the participants in this 50 year long Ponzi scheme, borrowed trillions we assumed we could repay because prices and our incomes would always go up and “someone” would keep lending us more. “Someone” is scared (or broke) and not lending anymore.

    Is 2008-09 so long ago you don’t remember? Then it was sub-prime borrowers and their banks who could not repay their debts. This time it is countries. Does that increase the damage to come by a factor of 2, or 5, or 10?

    Don’t tell me you and I are not to blame. If we didn’t borrow personally, the crown, our local bodies, and NZ companies did. So did the owners of the house you rent, the stores you buy at, etc.

    The petrol price will go down, but so will everything else including your income and mine. CORRECTION: Taxes will go up.

    • Richard Down South 18.1

      ^ This, people refuse to see this, but it always comes down to this (forgetting actual supplies of ‘easy to get to oil’) and it comes down to this, someone has to pay

  19. fnjckg 19

    DTB and CV: alwys wisdom with wit. Keep up the Good Work on the Way

    Round

  20. Tamati 20

    The stone age didn’t end because we ran out of stone, and the oil age won’t end because we run out of oil.

    In the 1950’s and 60’s people were concerned that we were running out of global stocks of copper and tin. (Used for food storage and telephone cables.) Along comes plastic and fiber optic cables and the rest is history.

    I could continue plagiarizing Owen McShane, but he’s much more articulate than me

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10120491.

    Interesting point, USA oil consumption peaked in 2008. They have been declining ever since.

    • Lanthanide 20.1

      “Interesting point, USA oil consumption peaked in 2008. They have been declining ever since.”

      Yeah, and lets have a look at how the American economy has fared since 2008, shall we?

      • Colonial Viper 20.1.1

        I keep telling Jenny that economic decline is the most effective way of reducing our use of fossil fuels.

    • Draco T Bastard 20.2

      Oil has been so cheap and plentiful (two ways of saying the same thing) that it has not been worth looking for more of it.

      Yeah, I didn’t bother reading past that bit as he proved himself an ignoramus and not worth listening to.

    • Colonial Viper 20.3

      The stone age didn’t end because we ran out of stone, and the oil age won’t end because we run out of oil.

      You do know that the “stone age” refers to an easily replaced material of fabrication whereas the “oil age” refers to a difficult to replace source of energy (and materials feedstock)?

      So your example is cute, but useless.

    • mike e 20.4

      Tama you have rocks in your head developing economies are increasing their oil consumption exponentialy!

      • Colonial Viper 20.4.1

        And it’s quite possible that developing countries are more resilient to increased oil prices than developed countries, because that energy is worth more to the people in the developing country.

        Example: someone in India who goes from 2 barrels of oil energy consumption per year to 3 barrels of oil consumption per year will experience a massive increase in lifestyle. Which they might deem to be worth paying an extra US$150 over the year.

        But that’s also a 50% increase in oil consumption per capita in one of the most populous nations in the world. Ouch.

        • lprent 20.4.1.1

          Doesn’t work that way fom what I have read. The time that an economy needs new sources of cheap portable energy is when they are expanding. It is a damn sight harder to build a dam or a road if you have to move coal to build it rather than oil.

          Developing nations tend to stop developing and start stagnating downwards because their growth doesn’t keep up with populations – and they usually lose the generational bulge that powers the growth. Developed nations get a recession and usually don’t stop developing. They already have the energy hungry infrastructure built.

          • Colonial Viper 20.4.1.1.1

            Hi lprent

            Stole the idea from here

            http://www.theoildrum.com/node/9386

            But why would developing oil-importing regions have also experienced consumption growth as oil prices climbed to record highs? Consider the change in the consumption habits of the United States and China over the past decade. In 2000, the U.S. consumed 19.7 million barrels of oil per day—25.5 barrels of oil per person per year. By 2010 the population of the U.S. had increased by 10%, but the country’s oil consumption had fallen to 19.1 million bpd—22.6 barrels per person per year.

            The trend in China was sharply in the other direction. In 2000, oil consumption in China was 4.8 million bpd, or 1.4 barrels per person per year. In 2010, consumption had grown to 9.1 million bpd, or 2.5 barrels per person per year. Incidentally, if per capita oil consumption in China was as high as it is in the U.S., China would consume more than 82 million barrels of oil per day—an amount equivalent to almost all of the world’s oil production.

            • lprent 20.4.1.1.1.1

              Yeah, but the actual difference comes in what the oil is used for. In the US most of it is used for transportation – mostly passenger or consumer products with limited economic benefit. In China it is mostly used for transportation – mostly for infrastructure construction or economically important materials like produce.

              Curtailing economic waste usually benefits a country. Curtailing economic development does not. So a rise in oil price tends to hurt a developing country more in relative terms than developed one because each barrel lost makes a hell of a difference to people living or dying in th future. It is just the screaming tends to be loudest when people are affluent enough to think that luxuries like personal vehicles are required.

    • So what is the commodity that is more energy dense, more transportable and more useful than oil?

      Wood?

      Sand?

      Uranium?

      Fairy dust?

      Flubber?

  21. Draco T Bastard 21

    And Julie Anne Genter take Brownlee to the cleaners – again.

  22. xtasy 22

    Spring is coming! I grow some own veges. It is great. They taste better than most the crap sold at vege shops and supermarkets (all fast grown, hybrid, partly greenhouse enhanced stuff, not allowing to “mature” and grow naturally).

    This oil hike is just a bit of a temporary occurence, I am afraid. It may be due to the hightened tensions in Syria, between Iran and Israel, some unrest in Eastern Province in Saudi Arabia, perhaps even set backs in ISAF controls in Afghanistan.

    Anyway, the energy crisis will not happen so swiftly, so do not get “drunk” on the hoped for pro Green doom prophecies. It will take longer, but still the greenies and sustainable thinkers are right. It is better to prepare for the inevitable now, rather than stick the head in the sand.

    NZers largely tend to be ostriches, I am afraid.

  23. Colonial Viper 23

    I know see that petrol has hit a nominal record high in the USA: just under the magic $4/gallon mark.

    And economic decline in the US is accelerating.

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    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Election 2014; A Post-mortem; a Wake; and one helluva hang-over
    .   . It would be fair to say that the results for Election 2014 did not go as anticipated. The Left has had a drubbing – and some of it was of our own making. In other aspects, there...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Live blog: Bainimarama takes early lead in Fiji’s election
    Pacific Scoop’s Alistar Kata reports from yesterday’s voting. By Alistar Kata of Pacific Scoop in Suva Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama took an early lead in provisional results in the Fiji general election last night. With provisional results from 170 out...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Bad luck National
    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • The incredible changing John Key story on mass spying – why the Moment of...
    While the mainstream media continue to try and make the Moment of Truth about Kim’s last minute decision to prolong his battle against John Key past the election into the Privileges Committee, the reality is that the Moment of Truth...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Themes of the Campaign
    There’s one area of a political campaign that just about everyone, at some point, falls afoul of. The campaign song. I’m not sure quite why it is, but it seems to be almost impossible for political parties to come up...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Denis Tegg – The NSA slides that prove mass surveillance
    The evidence presented by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden on The Intercept of mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is undeniable, and can stand on its own. But when you place this fresh evidence in the context of...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland
    The Ukrainian civil war discomforts me. It seems to me the most dangerous political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. And it’s because of our unwillingness to examine the issues in a holistic way. We innately prefer to...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man – the relationship intensifies
    John Key’s love affair with the straw man is now a fully-committed relationship. It’s now the first love of his life. Sorry Bronagh. Yesterday I pointed to Key’s constant assurances that there is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • A brief word on why Wendyl Nissen is a hero
    Wendyl Nissen is a hero. The sleazy black ops attack on her by Slater and Odgers on behalf of Grocery Council chief executive Katherine Rich is sick. All Nissen is doing in her column is point out the filth and...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • She saw John Key on TV and decided to vote!
    . . NZ, Wellington, 15 September – ‘Tina’* is 50, a close friend,  and one of the “Missing Million” from the last election. In fact, ‘Tina’ has never voted in her life.  Not once. In ‘Tina’s’ own words, politics has...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Eminem sues National Party for unlawful use of ‘Lose yourself’ bhahahah...
    …ahahahahahahahaha. Oh Christ this is hilarious… National Party sued over Eminem copyright infringment US rapper Eminem is suing the National Party for allegedly breaching copyright by using his song Lose Yourself in its campaign advertisements. The Detroit-based publishers of Eminem’s...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
    For the past four years I, like 500,000 other New Zealanders, have been illegally smoking cannabis for medicinal purposes and/or even just for the occasional laugh with friends on the weekend. We don't hurt anybody, we don't cause nuisance, we...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
    Insights Issue 35/2014 - 19 September 2014 In This Issue • RMA reform the golden unicorn of policy | Jenesa Jeram...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
    We are students, university staff, and members of the community. Whichever parties form a government after September 20th, we are demanding an end to corporatisation of education....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Taxpayers on Hook Again for Solid Energy
    Responding to the Fairfax article that taxpayers are extending another $103 million to keep Solid Energy afloat, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Invermay Petition Tops 10,000 Signatures
    People across New Zealand continue to express their disgust at the downgrading of Invermay, says Dunedin North MP David Clark, as the Save Invermay petition he instigated earlier this year topped the 10,000 signature mark just days before the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar vows to continue fight for police
    Garth McVicar stated at a public meeting last week that he would fight to retain a 24/7 Police Station in Napier and no reduction in the number of police staff for the Hawkes Bay region, some said he was simply...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Party Vote Our Weapon in Fight Against Government Corruption
    Internet MANA urges New Zealanders to use their party vote to confront corruption in any new government....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Election day is tomorrow – make sure you’re a part of it!
    Tomorrow, Saturday 20 September, is election day, and New Zealanders’ last chance to have a say on who leads the country for the next three years....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Is the Shape of our Government out of the hands of Voters?
    In the last stuff.co.nz / Ipsos Political Poll before Saturdays election, National is down 5.1% to 47.7% and Labour up 3.7% to 26.15%. These results are remarkably similar to the 2011 election where National received 47.3% of the vote and...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Spirit of Suffrage a Call to Action for All Kiwi Women
    Internet MANA is drawing on the courage and integrity of New Zealand women on Suffrage Day – Friday, September, 19 – to encourage them to pay tribute to the spirit of their foremothers who gained women the vote....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Live Election Night Coverage on TV And Online
    Māori Television’s KOWHIRI 2014 – ELECTION SPECIAL kicks off at 7.00pm this Saturday with a five-hour broadcast focusing on the Māori electorates....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Judge’s Decision Disappoints Fish & Game
    Today’s decision to give a Temuka man 100 hours of community service for selling sports fish to the public has disappointed Fish & Game, which believes the sentence handed down was “too lenient and will not go far enough to...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Cutting-Edge Graphics Fire up TV3’s Election Night Coverage
    TV3’s Election Night coverage, hosted by John Campbell, will be enhanced by cutting-edge graphics that will showcase the night’s results....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt rushes to open charter schools in New Year
    The government’s decision to approve four new charter schools last week to open in January next year goes against the Minister of Education’s own advice that the schools ought to have at least a year’s preparation time....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • 7 Days And Jono And Ben at Ten Hijack Election Weekend
    The 7 Days and Jono and Ben at Ten (JABAT) comedians are running their own version of election coverage, with a schedule of entertainment and comedy across TV3, Kiwi FM, the web and social media this Friday and Saturday under...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Fewer Prisoners Equals Less Crime
    In its latest blog, ‘Abolishing Parole and other Crazy Stuff’,’ at http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/09/krill-and-womble-independent-policy.html , Rethinking Crime and Punishment urges government to rethink its approach to releasing prisoners. “The public expectation is that the excellent reductions in the crime...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar slams his political opponents
    I want a safe and prosperous society and that can only be achieved if we have strong and vi-brant families – McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
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    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Get Out and Vote campaign a success
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    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Animal Research Failing – So Do More Animal Research?
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    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ALCP welcomes Prime Minister’s cannabis comments
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    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Conservative Party Press Secretary Resignation
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    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • By ACT’s logic, Epsom should vote for Conservative Candidate
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    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New online medical system
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    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Students, You Have a Choice, Vote!
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  • Party vote ACT for three years of stability.
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    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Women’s Suffrage Movement – Get Out and Vote!
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    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • iPredict Daily Update
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    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Conservative’s Proposal to Abolish Parole Fatally Flawed
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    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Special Edition : The letter 18 September 2014
    Dr Jamie Whyte has been giving thoughtful speeches largely unreported. So we thought we would put out an edited version on the speech he gave yesterday. The full speech is on the website....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
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