Written By: - Date published: 1:09 pm, October 16th, 2008 - 96 comments
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I have some sympathy for Dr PIta Sharples over the fallout of Mr Key’s promises. He’s clearly been left high and dry by Mr Key, his would-be coalition partner. According to the Maori Party’s chief of staff we now find:
…that Mr Key was clear in the meeting that National’s position could be put on the backburner. Mr Walker and National’s deputy leader Bill English were both present in the meeting
If you missed it when the issue was raised on the leaders debate here’s the footage:
Mr Key has denied it before, after Dr Sharples first made the claim in a Sky TV leaders’ interview 11 days ago. No wonder Mr English has gone to ground! His boss’s predilection for telling people what they want to hear is becoming something of an ongoing issue (is that what English meant when he talked of Mr Key bouncing from cloud to cloud?)
Now I’ve just caught up with Mr Key on Sunrise - still not saying why he thinks Pita Sharples is wrong:
Oliver Driver: But I’m not, I’m not actually asking you if there was a formal agreement with, ah, with Mr Sharples, I asked Mr Sharples if he was wrong during an Alt TV minor leaders’ debate last night, and he once again said that, ah, you did make that assurance privately. Why, why [sic] would he be lying about this.
John Key: Yeah well I think it’s interpretation of where you’re at, I, there’s no formal agreement, so I don’t know how that would work, if you going to say the 2008 to 2011 period, ah, the Maori seats won’t be abolished under National in that period of time. Now yes, if we have a deal with the Maori Party after the election, we’re going to go in there in good faith, we’ll negotiate across a range of issues….
So if you’ve had a conversation but not formally signed something you can’t count on him not to change his mind?
[Update: Sharples on Maori TV explains what Key promised him]
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Anyone know what time today Mr Wishart is going to bring down the government again?
edit: Oh, there it it is.
edit again: Jeez that’s an awful website, it’s like something Spondre would “produce”.
Felix – your snide remark would haunt you tomorrow. Bring it on Miss Diddums!!
Edit – have you finished editing yet Foolix?
Yup finished now thanks Dud.
edit: dood
d4j: We’re all looking forward to it. No, really – I’d quite like to see the dynamite Wishart proclaims to have this time (After all, Absolute Power was this close to toppling the Govt last time).
Vanilla Eis – the fact that no litigation resulted through the release of the book Absolute Power just reiterates the point that New Zealanders are complacent about corruption within government. It’s really quite sad that no one cares about this!!!!!
Edit – JUSTICE is coming.
Lynn
” If it follows his usual form it will be a few small stones twisted together to form a imaginary statue that only he can see. He always ignores the alternate explanations if they don’t fit what he expects to see.”
Ha excellent – I’m sure you realise that could be applied to so many of the commentators (possibly the majority) in NZ.
Dad I wouldn’t get your hopes up it’ll be something we already know about and rehashed for sales or a damp squib if either of the major parties had serious dirt it would have come to light by now.
The vast amount of NZ political incidents/scandals are actually very tame by world standards.
in darkest hour in deepest night beware the power of green lanterns light…
I’ve got an exclusive scoop for you.
It turns out that one of NZ’s stupidest writers is a useless sack-o-shite who has never, ever delivered on any of his hype.
I’ll be revealing all the juicy details (including naming Ian Wishart) later today. For $36.
Form an orderly queue please.
[lprent: warning comment by a previously banned wishart spammer]
Very interesting this Poll measurement shows Labour has Plateaued National holding and the Green only just on 5%.
If the Labour vote falls away like it did on Election day last time compared with polls just prior to the Election. Could be very hard to form a Left Wing Government
“New Zealanders are complacent about corruption within government”
Ah the insane rants of Dad4J
Of course he is wrong and oh so wrong , that’s almost a flogging offence.
According to the world government corruption index New Zealand is 1st equal with Denmark and Sweden as the least corrupt governments in the world.
Paul – please get some help for your rather unhealthy obsession with me.
You need psych treatment real bad.
Jesse: I thought Nationals support fell away last time? Didn’t Colmar Brunton predict a National win in ’05?
d4j: Or it simply highlighted the stupidity in attempting to take a retard like Wishart who, by the way, has absolutely 0 credibility to court. It’s ‘Sods pigfucker argument all over again.
I don’t see people taking the Truth tabloid to court every 5 minutes, but that doesn’t mean that everything they print is gospel.
Jesse does that poll take into account Key’s disastrous week.
Lets recap thus far (still today to go mind).
this week alone he’s managed to piss off the following core voters;
1, scrap R&D – piss of Business NZ and the Manufacturers and Exporters Association.
2, 40% legislation – piss off all bar one genuine economic commentator & forecaster (and only natural coalition partner ATC) including Bernard Hickey and Infometrics
3, lied to either Pita Sharples or the Public – or both – thus piss either all of Maoridom off or everyone else off.
Even a month ago I didn’t think Helen had a chance, this week I’m not so sure – honestly.
Dad “please get some help for your rather unhealthy” lies
stop the lieliess and i’ll ease off – I don’t give a toss who you are, if you lie you will get criticised.
Your deteriorating mental state is a concern for all on blogosphere. Go and get some fresh air and you might feel a bit better Paul.
repetitive echolalia. hmmmmm
Paul
“Jesse does that poll take into account Key’s disastrous week.”
Rightly or wrongly the defining political event of the week that will have an effect on the polls will likely be the leaders debate which is likely to be more positive for the Nats than Labour.
Come on you can’t take the people as fools. He may have won the leaders debate (although I don’t see it as that at all) but the ramifications has been that he lied to do so, and that has been played out in the media all week.
Remember Senator Gore won all of the leaders debates over dumb ass Dubbya but still lost the election.
Key’s done a great job of alienating his core vote and his natural allies and now he’s looking to bark up the Maori tree. If Sharples and Turia go with National, there will be blood on the Marae. Only 11% of Maori favour Maori in the latest poll. That’s not a close 45% or majority 51% – it’s a pitiful 11%.
From Business NZ to ACT (Hide even blogged on Kiwiblog about his woeful policy), Infometrics, the Manufacturers and Exporters Association, small business NZ. There simply isn’t enough soft Labour voters to prop up his failing campaign.
And tell you what, he’s had a hammering in the ODT today for his whistle stop behind closed doors visit to dunedin, in contrast to Helen’s open to the public 1500 crowd.
http://www.odt.co.nz/election-2008/the-south/27712/low-key-visit-national-leader
But Dad you lied. See if your wonderful leader can do it so easily, see how easy it is for the sheep to follow. The NZ Government is the least corrupt govt in the world, even your beloved USA is down in 18
Paul you appear to be rambling.
1. What Gore and Bush have to do with Clark and Key is beyond me.
2. Key did not,lie to win the debate (read Irish Bill’s post for some sensible analysis)
3. Key has not alienated his core vote and neither has Clark.
4. The ODT article is hardly a ‘hammering”
5. You appear to have made a mistake regarding the Maori poll – regardless the Maori party will do whatever is in the best interest of their constituents after they have presented their views on which way to go after the election.
[lprent: warning comment by a previously banned wishart spammer]
Higherstandard
Sorry I didnt put the link in for the Poll this one I believe did pick up on some of what you were saying here it is.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/0a28917.html
Jesse (Is that you, Rob, I thought lynn had shit-canned you?) that’s not a poll, it’s stuff’s poll tracker. The last polls were the three in the weekend.
[lprent: Unlikely. Different IP range. Looks like they are writing actual comments - no irritating plagarism that I can detect in 60 seconds off google. ]
[lprent: warning comment by a previously banned wishart spammer]
Paul
You may be correct depends what way you look at it here is what I based my assumption on
Roy Morgan Poll prior to last Election
Nats 40.5%
Labour 37.5%
Herald Digi Poll just prior to Election
Nats 37.4%
Labour 44.6%
Actual Result
Nats 39% variance over two polls -1.6% (Herald) + 1.5% (roy Morgan)
Labour 41% Variance over two polls + 3.6% (Herald) – 1.5% ( roy morgan)
if you average the two polls out which is rough I agree Labour had a more inflated poll % prior to election day.
Key did not,lie to win the debate (read Irish Bill’s post for some sensible analysis)
lie, perhaps not, bullshit, hell yes, education prime example as most of his vision are in place, ask a teacher they know the system, my wife works in the third largest high school.
Chris S, ” No matter the size or scale of the issue the right will milk it for all it’s worth.”
So.. is this how they intend making cheese cheaper..? [ Trying for a smiley >’icon_smile.gif’
“[lprent: Unlikely. Different IP range. Looks like they are writing actual comments - no irritating plagarism that I can detect in 60 seconds off google. ]”
My apologies if so. It was the random capitalisation, sentence structure and the poll comment starting with ‘interesting’ that made me think so but sorry if I’m wrong. The next comment, giving a link and some facts definitely would be well out of character.