Written By: - Date published: 1:12 pm, December 1st, 2007 - 117 comments
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Remember when the National Party threatened the Standard with copyright infringement? Nothing ever came of it of course because we had the fair defence of satire. But at the time we figured it showed the Nats were tuned it to intellectual property rights and the misuse of others people’s material. How wrong we were. According to an article in today’s Herald our litigious mates may have bitten off more than they can chew after ripping off Coldplay’s “Clocks” for their dull and expensive John Key promotional DVD. As musicologist (and Dunedin music legend) Graham Downes puts it:
If I were approached by a lawyer to furnish a report for a prosecution of copyright infringement against the music on the DVD I would happily do so. If approached by a lawyer to furnish a report in its defence, I would decline.
It’s kinda funny that the party that considers itself the party of business and claims to be “ambitious for New Zealand” would make such a basic property rights blunder and do so while trying to riff off an overseas band rather than getting some decent original Kiwi music. I’d expect National will be getting a cease and desist from EMI sometime soon. I wonder what my copy will be worth on trademe then.
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Is there anyone other than English they could resurrect?
It’s Rodney Hide I feel sorry for in all this. (Come to think of it, I’ve always felt sorry for Rodney Hide.)
And they could elevate Brownlee but it would take a few
It would take some gerrymandering.
Haha nice one Gruela.
But seriously, Brownlee seems a vaguely unknown quantity. To me he seems to be ‘the muscle’, who can heavy-hit as needed. (Shoring up Brash on occasion as I remember). Sharp enough to lead? Hard to say…
I believe that English has been consolidating his support within the party, and staying relatively ‘under cover’ (as far as public perceptions go) over the last two terms.
I think the Key excision would be swift (this is assuming the Nats lose the next election). English would start the next campaign immediately, and try to force an early election.
All speculation of course. I just think English has been biding his time, and taking a long-term view… I wouldn’t be surprised to see something like him bringing Rich with along as deputy.
Well, they’re stuck with Key for now. I just honestly can’t see him pulling it off. I predict that when he gets into a head to head debate with the other leaders the man is going to fall apart.
Well, night all.
Gruela: Agreed. The National Party hierarchy ‘made their bed’ and ‘now they’ve got to sleep in it’, with their endorsement of Key as leader.
The televised leader’s debates will be Key’s ultimate undoing. Just in time for the election, when the majority of the electorate is finally watching the political blood-sports.
I reckon Labour may have made a calculated move to Key slide for this long, in order to prevent him from hardening up to any large degree…
And also, a general supplemental… pursuant to the ‘Ambition’ announcement, but where’s the frickin policy National ?!
Oh no, wait… It’s the Tax Cuts isn’t it?
“reckon Labour may have made a calculated move to Key slide for this long, in order to prevent him from hardening up to any large degree.”
So you think its a deliberate strategy by Labour to irritate the electorate so much that they are 13% behind in the polls, just to sucker-punch Key?
Yeah Right!
What a dick.
Cap: left cynanide – just right!
Hey Double nice to hear from you.
Of course I believe in the rule of law and I also believe in letting the justice system enforce that law. It is not up to people like you or me to decide who is prosecuted and who is not. It is for the Police and the Courts to decided and in each of the cases you list, they decided you are wrong.
It stuck to TPF because the Police and the Courts saw grounds that justified spending Police and Court time on the case. It is as simple as that. By the way, in my opinion I think they were right, but I guess ultimately its up to the justice system to decide.
The problem with you and your side of the aisle is that you keep trying to turn mole hills into mountains. Like any good political operative you take a bit of truth and try to spin it into something that will do damage. Often this is done to cover up your own inadequacies as a party.
You count on enough people being fooled by your nonsense to make a difference. By the way, Herald reporters are pretty good at being fooled. So, you maybe on to a good thing.
Fortunately, though, I think most New Zealanders are smarter than that and they see these tactics as side shows – amusing side shows, but side shows all the same.
Key hasn’t been around long, but a list along your lines can already be started for him:
1. Key – Something to do with Equity Corp criminals
2. Key – Lies on Electoral Office statutory document
3. Key – Thief (or plagiarist if you prefer)
Are any of those going to get Mr Key jail time – no. And, they probably shouldn’t, but if you want politically spun lists we can do that.
Hey Double nice to hear from you.
Of course I believe in the rule of law and I also believe in letting the justice system enforce that law. It is not up to people like you or me to decide who is prosecuted and who is not. It is for the Police and the Courts to decided and in each of the cases you list, they decided you are wrong.
It stuck to TPF because the Police and the Courts saw grounds that justified spending Police and Court time on the case. It is as simple as that. By the way, in my opinion I think they were right, but I guess ultimately its up to the justice system to decide.
The problem with you and your side of the aisle is that you keep trying to turn mole hills into mountains. Like any good political operative you take a bit of truth and try to spin it into something that will do damage. Often this is done to cover up your own inadequacies as a party.
You count on enough people being fooled by your nonsense to make a difference. By the way, Herald reporters are pretty good at being fooled. So, you maybe on to a good thing.
Fortunately, though, I think most New Zealanders are smarter than that and they see these tactics as side shows – amusing side shows, but side shows all the same.
Key hasn’t been around long, but a list along your lines can already be started for him:
1. Key – Something to do with Equity Corp criminals
2. Key – Lies on Electoral Office statutory document
3. Key – Thief (or plagiarist if you prefer)
Are any of those going to get Mr Key jail time – no. And, they probably shouldn’t, but if you want politically spun lists we can do that.
“Okay, I’m down with it being poorly drafted legislation. But I do think the need was there,” Exactly what your intellectual predecessor, some chap named Adolf, said in Germany circa 1933.
Gruela you’re a tower of intellect, almost a giant. With people like you and Mallard the Labour Party will go far.
Oh, brilliant. A Left-wing commenter who spends seven paragraphs giving his interpretation on the rule of law, and then proceeds to defame John Key.
All this, just a matter of hours after Redbus says: “We would prefer you do not bring the bile of Kiwiblog to The Standard.”
And right on cue, up pops IP. He reminds me a bit of that enchanter in The Holy Grail. Pops up with a bad attitude, lobs a few fireballs at random targets, then slips away when the going gets tough.
Admit it, r0b: the Standard claims to offer a left-wing perspective without the bile of kiwiblog. Yet the Standard condones commenters who defame others.
If you’ve got admin rights, r0b, I strongly suggest you delete the assertions that John Key had “something to do with the Equiticorp criminals”, that he lied on a statutory document, and that he stole and/or plagiarised. Each of those statements is deeply defamatory.
Santi
Just how despicable can you get? Now we know.
Comparing me to Adolf Hitler.
You have proven yourself to be without any sense of objectivity, reason or morality.
That was his name. Tim the Enchanter.
Admit it, r0b: the Standard claims to offer a left-wing perspective without the bile of kiwiblog.
The Standard doesn’t claim anything much. Some of us who post here hope for a better standard of debate, but as numbers have grown, inevitably there’s lots of aggressive stuff appearing.
Yet the Standard condones commenters who defame others.
If “condones” means allows them to post, then yes of course. Its a blog. People post. One defamatory comment was removed once. Other than that, The Standard doesn’t censor people (unlike Kiwiblog). Free speech. Hurrah.
If you’ve got admin rights, r0b
Nope, I’m just a poster here. Gotta go, ciao.
Hey Prick – get over yourself you hypocrite. I’ve seen the vile shit you post and now you want to take the high ground? You’re a joke, Punter.
Hahahaaa – Robbo thinks IP is a hypocrite. Let me into a little secret Robbo – every regular who visits here knows who spouts the vile shit and it’s you.
Lol – do you have a mirror in your hovel?
“Comparing me to Adolf Hitler.”. No, no, Gruela. You obviously have an inflated opinion of your own abilities.
I has referring to Adolf Dumbweiss, a cobbler and part-time chimney sweeper from Upper Silesia, whose IQ seems to be on par with yours.
You really do take the cake, Robinsod. In case you’ve forgotten, here is merely a selection of some of your vile posts over the last six weeks. And the Standard has the gall to call Kiwiblog’s posters vile!
Nov 2nd, 2007 at 11:31 am
And Lee do you still beat your wife. Don’t you have a job or something?
Nov 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
IP – quick take that story to the herald, your facts are obviously watertight! You’re full of shit prick.
Nov 14th, 2007 at 7:37 am
Bill you psychopath – I’ve been getting a good night’s sleep. You should try it some time. It may reduce your psychosis.
Nov 14th, 2007 at 9:21 am
Yes Bil, just as well. I’m sure Whale’s respect for you will increase now – he may even acknowledge you on the street. When you act like Whale’s sycophant you really show how much you are on the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe, Bill.
Oct 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Wodge, why would I bother talking to you – you’re just a punter for crying out loud.
Oct 19th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Burt – you’re a pugnacious bastard, I’ll give you that. Obtuse for sure but pugnacious. You’re not a computer programme are you?
Nov 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
IP – I’d charge you but I don’t think you could afford to pay me out out of your benefit. Go back to punter-land son.
Oct 14th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Burt you are the most consistently disingenuous commenter I’ve seen for a while. Have you considered Ritalin for your problem?
Oct 31st, 2007 at 10:05 am
Claws – I said “Fuck off”
Oct 15th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Burt – you’re wrong. You’ve asked this shit before and you don’t listen to the answers. Fuck off and take your Ritalin.
Nov 15th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Really DPF claws? Not at all like how you scored the exclusive polling contract for National?
Nov 15th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Question time in the house today was frustrating as Labour sought to lie about why the were not releasing the papers from the Ministry of Justice.
Are you frustrated Monty? You could always try wanking. It won’t really make you go blind (and that’s not the only lie your mum told you). Go on monty – it’ll make you feel calmer and it’s better than spraying your vile lickspittle juice over the pages of the standard. For true bro.
Nov 16th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
DPF Claws – Fuck off (that should give you the victim-fix you’re after)
Robinsod (moderator)
Nov 7th, 2007 at 10:29 am
DPF Claws – Of course I took my smart pills (hint: you can tell ‘cos I’m smarter than you). Did you take your neuroleptics? I’m sure they’re helping with your multiple personality disorder.
19 Tane
Nov 7th, 2007 at 10:35 am
‘sod bro, stop being a dick. You’re not a moderator. Nobody in their right mind would let you moderate anything – you can’t even moderate your own behaviour.
Oct 31st, 2007 at 5:48 pm
.and Clem (nah he’s old isn’t he) and Chester and Pansy (I quite like her) and Georgina whoops she’s still on the party shit-list for being brown isn’t she (oh and it was so funny when Gerry was Maori spokesman wasn’t it? and there’s.
Oct 31st, 2007 at 9:35 pm
What like you?? Get real santa and/or fuck off.
Oct 31st, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Yo Santa – I was just concerned for your education, there’s no need to come over all catty. Oh yeah – Fuck off (I think I forgot last time)
Nov 1st, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Bryce – you’re an arse. I’ve been following your comments on this blog for a while and (surprisingly for me) keeping my mouth shut but someone from the libertarian left has to say this mate – you’re living in a dream world if you think bagging Labour with Tory lines (‘cos that’s what you’re recycling) is going to make things better.
Nov 13th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
Bill you old psychopath – they let you out! How’d you get away with it? I hear you carved your initials in her corpse – is that true bro?
Nov 13th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
Bill – you sound like you’re losing it. Don’t hurt anyone and try not to sent anymore hate mail to Helen – the SIS is gonna have to stop being understanding about it at some stage, ok?
I side with IP on this one. For vileness nothing worse than Robinsond.
Santi
Keep going. Your posts are an eloquent guide to the value and insight of your opinions.
I’m sure that everyone who reads them will give them precisely the attention they deserve.
Relax Gruela and enjoy the last few months in power before this (yours?) mob of socialists bite the dust, as they thoroughly deserve it.
Santi – Gruela seems to be to the left of the Greens. I doubt that Teh Party is her mob.
I thought my mob was the Nazi party?
(Incidentally, I’m male.)
(Incidentally, I’m male.)
Oops, sorry
I did wonder when I was writing that comment, but decided to take a punt. I guess I was thinking of Cruella de Ville
Jeez – you guys have been stalking me. I’m touched, it’s like a walk down memory lane (you forgot the things I said about Bevan’s mum though) – I never said I was a choirboy I just pointed out you weren’t either. Guess what? I’m not the one bitching about it, you are. That make you a hypocrite – look it up.
Oh and Prick – I’m getting closer to figuring out who you are – I’ve had a couple of good tips…
Own. Medicine. Taste of.
QED.
robinnome you should be a lot more concerned about people finding out who you are.
Interesting post on DPF at the moment. The VRWC is running a book on who the guilty party is. You are at very short odds.
BB: haven’t you threatened to cut up Robinsod and leave parts of him in wheelie bins? That was you, wasn’t it? Can you clarify?
In light of those comments, perhaps your veiled threats above need some police attention.
Breathtaking hypocrisy, lesson 20483 from the Standard:
Robinsod claims he’s being stalked. In the very next sentence, he claims to be stalking another blogger.
nih: your comments on this blog are hardly a credit to the labour movement, either.
My comments are brilliant and splendid totems to humility.
nih, I had previously thought that you were less toxic than robinnome. Wrong again!
What, no mention of dismemberment? I’m disappointed. Up until now you far and beyond ranked as the most psychotic poster on The Standard.
I guess it’s hard work maintaining 15 logins and still being uniquely creative. I look forward to all of your sockpuppet voices blending into one.
thats rich coming from you nih. I have one user name across all the different blogs and forums I post on, with your puerile repetition of robinnomes vile comments you leave yourself wide open to similar comments.