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Police Association offers a recipe for dead cops

Written By: - Date published: 12:35 pm, January 13th, 2013 - 122 comments
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In December, a cop had his taser taken off him and fired at him. The Police Association said the solution is for cops to be armed. Judith Collins got it right, “if that was a gun [not a Taser] we’d probably be going to a funeral, actually, for a police officer”. On Friday, an armed cop had his gun taken off him. The Police Association’s answer: cops should pull their guns earlier.

I don’t know if the Police Association bosses just have some kind of Slater-eqsue violence fantasy fetish and that’s why they call for arming of cops at every opportunity, but the reality is it wouldn’t make them or anyone else safer. Handguns are designed for killing people. Put a tool for killing people into the hands of people who are interacting with members of the public, and more people will be killed. (incidentally, people who have guns in the house are twice as likely to be killed in a firearm homicide)

Regularly armed cops would mean more dead civilians, more dead offenders, and more dead cops. Why the hell would we want that?

122 comments on “Police Association offers a recipe for dead cops”

  1. Draco T Bastard 1

    It appears that the Police Association is calling for police to be able to use their guns because it would cause less harm:

    The policeman had brought his gun from his car as he thought the situation was threatening, but did not draw it.
    Police Association vice-president Stuart Mills said that if the officer had been able to use his firearm as the primary weapon, offenders would have been less likely to attack and the situation would have been resolved more quickly, and with less harm.

    Which has got to be the worst logic I’ve seen yet. The only thing that would have happened if the officer had drawn his gun would be that someone would have been shot and shooting someone isn’t causing less harm.

    • QoT 1.1

      Clearly they edited the bit in his statement saying “with less harm to the ego of police officers.” If a few rowdy partiers have to die for cops to get the respect they deserve then so be it, apparently.

      Incidentally, I note that the officer in question was alone, against five other people. But the Police Association prefers to advocate for increased arming of officers rather than sufficient resourcing to allow all cops to patrol in pairs?

      • higherstandard 1.1.1

        “A few rowdy partiers”

        “A police officer who was seriously assaulted by a group of men in Kawhia last night used pepper spray and a taser to try and subdue his attackers.

        The policeman had been set upon by at least five people, who were kicking him as he coiled up in pain on the Kawhia wharf.

        The group took his taser, his radio and his pistol and were only stopped when local firefighters and the public stepped in to intervene.”

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/8169825/Police-officer-attacked-in-Kawhia

        I hope they all get five years minimum – feral scum.

        • Draco T Bastard 1.1.1.1

          And how does that relate to the idea that there be enough police officers so that they are in pairs all the time which would be more likely to prevent such incidents and cause less harm than the cops having drawn weapons?

          • McFlock 1.1.1.1.1

            Yep.

            Not to mention what the weapons might be used for after the sole police officer is left on the ground.

            Nor to mention the fact that had an officer used their weapon in a perfectly legitimate self defense, it could well have been the officer’s word against those of four or five other people who swore they did nothing wrong and the officer was out of control. I know door-staff who have been in legal strife that way (and that was just for assault, not murder or serious injury).

            Yes, all we need to evaluate the situation is “feral scum” /sarc.

            • higherstandard 1.1.1.1.1.1

              Well the fact that the local fire service and members of the public came to the aid of the officer who was attacked from behind and then repeatedly assaulted while on the ground would suggest that those attacking the officer were indeed “feral scum”.

              But of course one would not expect much more from the usual suspects on this site apart from sympathy for those committing the acts of violence as ‘they’re merely the victims of the governments economic policies’ /sarcasm x3

              • McFlock

                Yes. The officer was very lucky that some members of the public were prepared to assist him, what with him not having the assistance of other frontline police staff available and his weaponry not being of any help to him in that situation (indeed, it was a dangerous liability).

                Fortunately, the only issue we need to consider about this specific situation is whether or not the responsible parties qualify for the term “feral scum” /sarcasm x infinity.

                • NF0011

                  Why would 2 officers make a difference when going up against people that have no respect for the law and are happy to kick and punch someone curled up in a ball on the ground? Over the Christmas/New Years break we have seen pairs of cops attacked. In Dargaville I believe among other places So whats the answer then? 3 cops? 4 cops? Send the armed defenders and dog squads in for every routine police call out?

                  The problem is police are being sent in to deal with people that have no respect for anyone other than their own family and are willing to attempt to kill someone to protect that family member. Its easy to sit behind a computer and type answers like ‘should always have 2 cops’. Try going out with the cops into these situations and see what they have to deal with. Or have these people attack you and your family. Try being kicked and punched on the ground and see what sort of response you would like to help you. Who would want to join the police knowing that 5 people can kick you with the intent of killing you, 80 people are happy to sit back and watch and you have members of the public not willing to give you the support you need to do your job. Put yourself in the shoes of his family, a family whose husband and father almost didn’t come home that night.

                  Should there be a minimum of 2 cops per shift. Yes. Should the cops not have the right to defend themselves against people who wish them harm? Yes. Pepper Spray and a taser didn’t help. Had the officer the right to draw his gun (which he was carrying) before entering the situation, I’m sure this lovely gentleman and his family would have had a much claimer reaction to him.

                  • QoT

                    Why would 2 officers make a difference when going up against people that have no respect for the law and are happy to kick and punch someone curled up in a ball on the ground?

                    Because it’s much harder to do that when the person you’re trying to kick and punch (a) isn’t as much of a target because they’re not on their own (b) has a partner who can draw their pepper spray or taser even if you’ve jumped their mate (c) has a partner who can radio for backup even though you’ve taken the first cop’s radio and taser and gun away.

                    Being confronted with two officers instead of one is simply a different psychological and practical situation.

                  • McFlock

                    So more cops isn’t the answer, police should just attend “every routine police call out” with drawn firearms? Somehow I’m not sure that your solution would protect police or even the citizens who came to his aid.

                    edit: how about rather than having no other assistance than to wear his firearm, the officer could have called for back-up as soon as he recognised the situation as being dicey, and received it in a reasonable time?

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Why would 2 officers make a difference when going up against people that have no respect for the law and are happy to kick and punch someone curled up in a ball on the ground?

                    You’re not thinking tactically, NF0011, you’re thinking emotionally.

                    Which makes the rest of your comment worse than ignorant, it’s dangerous.

                  • fustercluck

                    Does the phrase “I got your back” resonate for you?

                    It is much harder to sucker punch a well trained pair than it is to sneak up on a cop with eyes on only one side of his head.

                    Additionally, a pair would have made a timely distress call more likely even if they were both swiftly engaged by ‘feral’ attackers.

                    Having grown up in the USA and having the pleasure of both being approached by cops with their hands on their weapons and even (once) having a cop point their handgun at me, I can assure you that a ‘gun first’ policy is not going to do anything to reduce violence against the public or the cops themselves. Sure, I was polite as hell and kept my hands visible, but all to often the criminals emulate the cops shoot first approach resulting in the avoidable carnage for which the USA is all too famous.

                  • McFlock

                    Indeed. And in half of those incidents, at least one weapon was taken off the police officer and in one case someone tried to use the officer’s weapon against him. Luckily it wasn’t a point and click glock.

                    So the question remains: why is the police association demanding wider distribution of firearms, rather than more frontline officers to support each other responding to incidents? Any thoughts? Are they just gun-happy “ferals”?

                    • higherstandard

                      I think you’ll find the police association would like both.

                      But keep going i’m sure you’ll get to the point of reduction to the point of absurdity demanding that the police carry no protection and that all such violent acts directed at the police, ambulance officers and the like is the governments fault.

                    • felixviper

                      I’m sure you realise that you just did the absurd reduction there hs while building your preemptive strawman.

                    • McFlock

                      The police association might want both, but somehow their gun solution seems to be the one that gets emphasised.

                      They might just have shit media management. Or O’Connor might have a gun fetish.

              • mike e vipe e

                Drunken bystaders watch as drunken drugged thugs take to cop Collins and her govt were going to get tough on gangs yeah right!
                Collins said that alcohol is the biggest single issue for police, using 50% of police time!
                National slap Alcohol sector with wet bus ticket!
                User pays I thought Nactional were a user pays Govt!
                Nactional continue to allow taxpayer to subsidize Alcohol abuse!

      • David H 1.1.2

        And how long until a cop loses his drawn gun? And has it used against him, and other cops. Or even worse, an innocent member of the public.

        It’s bad enough that the cops get away with shooting innocent bystanders ( AK motorway)
        But how will they say sorry, because one of them LOST his gun. And an innocent is killed by it.

        And the Americans have proven that an armed cop is pretty useless, if the amount of shots fired, in relation to the offenders hit, is anything to go by. Because they get all Rambo, and just blaze away with scant regard for where their wild firing sends their bullets.

        Get them to patrol in Pairs And link ALL guns to Camera’s just like the Tasers.
        And leave the guns to those PROPERLY TRAINED in their use

        • McFlock 1.1.2.1

          last I heard was that putting microelectrics into handguns wasn’t very reliable due to the recoil forces. Takes its toll after a while. Might change a bit soon, though.

          • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2.1.1

            Yep, it does but those electronics are cheap to replace even today. Personally, I think that the police should have cameras mounted in their uniforms and on all the time – not just as part of the gun/taser regulations.

  2. It is business as usual under National and the MSM Draco. They refuse to tell the true cause of this, which would likely be a direct result of National’s economic policies i.e. joblessness, poverty and hopelessness. If they were drunk, why were they drunk. If they attacked the police, they had to have a reason. Unless the case is picked up by the MSM, unfortunately we will never know.

  3. They’re called the police, not cops.

    Show respect please.

  4. Frank 4

    HOW TO AVOID BAD POLICING. (KAWHIA STYLE)

    1. WHEN OUT NUMBERED RETREAT.

    2.TRY NOT TO LOOK TOUGH BY STRAPPING A SIDE ARM ON, AND NOT BEING PREPARED TO USE IT.

    3. ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE FATHER BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO ARREST SON WHEN EVERYONE ELSE EXCEPT YOU ARE PISSED AND PROBABLY WILL TAKE OFFENCE.

    4.DON’T BE A HERO.

    5.GET BACKUP (THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AIN’T IT).

    6.AS A SOLE CONSTABLE SOME COMMUNITY POLICING WOULD HAVE PAID OFF.

    7.REMEMBER SONNY, THAT YOU ARE A POLICEMAN, NOT A GANG MEMBER.

    8. AND. IT’S REALLY HARD TO ESCAPE FROM KAWHIA.

  5. Frank 5

    What I am saying is if the copper went down there in mufti and spoke to them in a manner they could understand.
    Oi, gis ya kid. badass need to see judge.
    what ya done ya litel shit.
    took unts undies
    wot 4 ya purrthert.
    mom wont wash hers.

    Sorry he is still under arrest.

    take him.

  6. Rogue Trooper 7

    There is an “arms escalation” You would be surprised how many ceilings serve as temporary armouries. (the “outsiders” will outbreed enforcement, regardless how the statistics are massaged; it’s game on)

    • RedLogix 7.1

      There is an “arms escalation”

      That being the point here. Eventually you get people arguing for owning their own personal nukes to ‘defend’ their liberty from the evil state. Ok so that’s a bit OTT …. how about your own Abrams M1?

      • Rogue Trooper 7.1.1

        I was a fan of the Tiger, yet our bridges are narrower than those of the Fatherland
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II
        Panzerkampfwagen

        • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1

          T-34 fan myself, not as powerful or as well built, but sure did the job.

          • RedLogix 7.1.1.1.1

            I’ve actually seen up close a real live T-34 at the factory where they were built… another story.

          • Rogue Trooper 7.1.1.1.2

            They Sure Did, however, that WW II footage of a moving Tiger under an SS commander taking out (6 or 8 Allied Tanks from memory, was pretty outstanding; I read and watched a lot SS history in me bad old days) still, the T-34 ended up being the bees knees in the Russian campaigns, and they just kept coming (apparently there suspension was an advantage).

          • exkiwiforces 7.1.1.1.3

            CV, I’ll raise you my Coy of Tigers, Coy of Panzer 4’s and my Panzer-Grenadiers for your T34.

            Back to tropic, The New Zealand Police service need to go back to having 2 personal in the patrol cars esp for the remote areas sooner or later someone is going to get killed either a cop or a civillian. Having a single cop on duty in remote area is just asking for trouble and where I live at moment in OZ the remote area cop the have 3 cops at remote police stations to stop this sort of thing happening.

        • David H 7.1.1.2

          Naaa the T34/85 was not a bad tank, and the Russians had way more than the German Tiger tanks, And not many Tigers had the 88 mm gun, as it was an Anti Aircraft gun and just had a very high muzzle velocity. and a flat trajectory and was devastating to pretty much anything at the time. But most tanks had the 75mm gun, and not the 88

    • QoT 8.1

      The sole-charge policeman used pepper spray and a taser, but was hit from behind, knocked to the ground and repeatedly kicked by a group of around five people.

      Obviously arming cops with regular firearms is not the answer! They need guns that fire in all directions!

      Or … the officer could have had a partner to watch his back and ensure he wasn’t jumped from behind while dealing with the people in front of him.

      • felixviper 8.1.1

        I think “guns that fire in all directions” are called “grenades”, and think cops should all carry them. The pins could be attached to their belts to stop people stealing them.

        And do away with firearms, tasers and sprays as it seems the cops just can’t be trusted to look after them.

        • McFlock 8.1.1.1

          Actually, that last point goes right back to when they introduced collapsible batons. One of the justifications brought up was that some officers would leave the vehicle and forget to take their long baton – which while not nice to be hit with, also had some defensive uses beyond “nut the guy”.

          The telescopic baton really has only one use – the thwack.

        • QoT 8.1.1.2

          I think the police need power armour. And machine pistols.

      • higherstandard 8.1.2

        Oh you’re making too much of a fuss QoT it was just some rowdy partiers.

        • QoT 8.1.2.1

          I think you think you’re making some kind of hilariously clever point. Unfortunately you’re just continuing to dig yourself into an even deeper reductio ad absurdum hole/

  7. Rogue Trooper 9

    This disturbing image found it’s way to me recently (that’s Fb market targeting for ya)
    http://inkslingerblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/602937_192858847524217_1235130692_n.jpg
    needless to say, I didn’t share it.

  8. I couldnt beleive that response,,, the officer should have drawn his gun,,,, they are taught never to draw their guns unless they are going to fire them,,, the police union spokesman can across more like an NRA spokesman

  9. MrSmith 11

    The Pigs won’t be safe till they’re riding around in bulletproof Hummers with machine guns on the roof, well judging from the reaction by some here.

    Violence begets violence, wearing a gun says fuck with me and I might kill you, this isn’t the message we should be sending, we shouldn’t take the easy option with arming our police, because in the long run we will all lose.

  10. muzza 12

    I expect that carrying guns is a certainty, timeline being the variable. O’Connor (drunken disgrace that he is) and the PA, willfully backed by the media, are fueling the fires at every opportunity.

    Desired outcome = Armed cops, plus who knows what else on the street, and in the sky.

    Tactics required to achieve desired outcome = Becoming obvious!

  11. millsy 13

    Not really keen on having our police force behave like the SS, like what Brett Dale, Populuxe and higherstandard seem to want. They think the police should be able to shoot any person they like when they feel like it, and perhaps torture them as well.

    • higherstandard 13.1

      Dear Millsy

      Can you please provide a link to where I or any of the others you mention have said anything remotely like that which you have accused us of.

      • felixviper 13.1.1

        Brett does it pretty regularly. Ask him if he thinks coppers should a) obey the law or b) do whatever they have to do.

      • millsy 13.1.2

        My point was that Judith Collins and Greg O’Connor (who BTW is the most effective union leader in the country) have previously blamed scrutiny of police conduct for a supposed rise in assaults on police. Personally I belive that it is a very dangerous assertion to make, as it signals a desire on both Collins and O’Connors part for our police forces to be devoid of any accountability or scrutiny whatsoever.

        And in case anyone wants to know, the worst intances of when police officers were attack, was in 1964 when 4 officers were shot dead in seperate incidents in Auckland and Wellington, and in 1941, when Stanley Graham went on his rampage. This was a time when the police were supposedly held in higher regard than they are now.

        • higherstandard 13.1.2.1

          Dear millsy

          The point you were trying to make bears no resemblance to your original smear.

          Can you please provide a link to where I or any of the others you mention have said anything remotely like that which you have accused us of.

    • Colonial Viper 13.2

      and perhaps torture them as well.

      There might be innocent lives at stake in the next 24 hours which the tortured information from the suspect could save! /sarc

    • Populuxe1 13.3

      I don’t recall saying the Police should have carte blanche to arrest, torture, maim and murder – all I said was that they do actually have to deal with some pretty horrific things, though never having had to comfort a rape victim, enter a murder scene, get shot or stabbed, or investigate a P lab, perhaps I shouldn’t say anything.

    • felixviper 14.1

      Oh dear. Reading between the lines there… “off duty”… “fishing”… “drinking at Kawhia wharf”…

      Bit weird that eyewitnesses and photos have a different recollection of events to the copper. Look forward to seeing the video.

      • higherstandard 14.1.1

        What is it exactly that you are reading between the lines ?

        • felixviper 14.1.1.1

          It’s the bits where the dots are hs. You’re going to have to read between the lines of my reading between the lines if you give a shit.

          • higherstandard 14.1.1.1.1

            Surely it’s better if you tell everyone what you’re reading between the lines in relation to the three items you’ve chosen to highlight ?

            It’s not as if any of those three things are out of the ordinary is it ?

            • felixviper 14.1.1.1.1.1

              I wouldn’t presume to know whether those things are out of the ordinary or not hs.

              • higherstandard

                But surely you have with your ‘reading between the lines’

                Are you ever going to answer the original question or do you just want to continue to tr*ll ?

                • felixviper

                  I don’t see where I’ve presumed to know the extent of the ordinariness or otherwise. Could you point out where I have?

                  And I’ve already answered your original question hs. In case you need it spelled out, the answer was ‘I’m not going to tell you, idiot.’

                  • higherstandard

                    Aw come on share what you’re reading between the lines, are you afraid to make more of an idiot of yourself in between the incessant tr0lling and lying.

                    • felixviper

                      Not following you there hs.

                    • higherstandard

                      C’mon you can do better than that.

                      “Oh dear. Reading between the lines there… “off duty”… “fishing”… “drinking at Kawhia wharf”…”

                      Still waiting for what to read between the lines in relation to what those words in between the ” “s have got to do with the events at Kawhia where the policeman was set upon by feral scum.

                    • felixviper

                      I wrote that for the smart kids. Sorry dummy.

                      Still not following you re- lying and trooling.

                    • higherstandard

                      Well what would the “smart kids” read between the lines ?

                      Why so reticent to expand on your reading between the lines, surely you wouldn’t want to be misconstrued.

                      “Still not following you re- lying and trooling.”

                      Let me spell it out for you then – You are a lying trool.

                    • felixviper

                      Misconstrue away, not my concern.

  12. Surely the only people we want to see go to work with a gun are soldiers and hunters.
    If arming the force is the only option to ensure it’s safety, then it signals a total fail from this government, and a top down fail in the cop chain.

    There are police I wouldn’t see issued a TV remote, let alone a lethal weapon.
    Have guns in cars, have armed squads in transit at all times or whatever, but if the police fed want to play cowboys, it’s only natural some will want to be better indians.

    • One Tāne Huna 15.1

      Why would this be necessary, in the context of the marked downward trend in violent crime (especially homicides) since 1991?

      There are few circumstances where a “reasonable response” to an assault is to kill the attacker. Yes, that means that police staff will get beaten up from time to time, but that is better than drunk civilians being shot dead.

      That said, in a democracy, assault on police staff is an assault on society, a serious offence.

      OAB disclaimer. This comment contains a link to a deranged right wing web site and does not imply support for the views expressed therein.

  13. bad12 16

    I think the both times i have listened to what the Police Commissioner had to say about what happened at the Kawhia wharf on RadioNZ National are about right,

    I can imagine Greg choking on His grog,(needs a stiff one to stop the after effects of all those drugs He didn’t take when He was undercover),BUT, the Commissioner seemed to be alluding to the fact that the particular plod in question had not made a correct risk assessment when deciding to arrest someone in the middle of a drinking crowd,

    He sure as hell didn’t, what the f**k was He doing all tooled up complete with glock where most of the crowd appears to have been the law abiding,

    What was His tactic, hands up now bro your under arrest and if you resist i will blow away a number of your rellies when double tap puts one or two into you and the rest miss,

    The Commissioner also pointed out that alcohol as it does in at least 70% of all crime figured in this little altercation as well, and, it was up to the Parliament to pass laws which stopped people from staggering round drinking piss in public places,

    The other side of the story of course is that the ‘suspect’ had already put up His hands and said ”fair cop” befor the plod in question gave it to Him with the Taser,

    At which point of course in a repeat of the recent Auckland incident where the officer gave a child a face full of Pepper-spray and Mum and the rest of the party tried to bash his head in with a brick the place went really f**king mad,

    Funny how guns and things seem to escalate the most simple of situations ae???…

    • bad12 16.1

      As an afterthought to the above and alcohol, it makes me wonder if the plod in question hadn’t had a few tinnies with the mates while out fishing,

      i think that the Commissioner should consider whether or not His crew shouldn’t be given a blood test after such serious incidents to see if they were impaired by some substance or other…

  14. vto 17

    The Police Association should actually advocate not for pistols but instead semi-automatic submachine guns … if we follow their logic and their reasoning and their philosophy and their attitude and their bright ideas.

    This is exactly why we don’t let the police set the rules around policing.

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  • Attention leftie campaigners: Watch Lynton Crosby
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    PolityBy Rob Salmond
    19 hours ago
  • Hard News: Friday Music: Out there in the world
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    20 hours ago
  • Government announces plan to grow Auckland housing bubble
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  • Paul F Tompkins: The undisputed king of podcasts
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  • Budget 2015: What does it mean?
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    21 hours ago
  • What next?
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    23 hours ago
  • Solo parents forced to work; but where are the quality jobs?
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    23 hours ago
  • April-15 Patronage
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    1 day ago
  • April-14 Patronage
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    1 day ago
  • Children and steady-as-you-go – but how steady?
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    Colin JamesBy Colin James
    1 day ago
  • Thoughts on budget 2015
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    DimPostBy danylmc
    1 day ago
  • What if your MP was decided on the flip of a coin?
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    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    1 day ago
  • Gordon Campbell on Budget 2015
    From the outset, the slogan for yesterday’s Budget – “The Plan Is Working” – begged to be mocked. There’s actually a plan for the national economy? Who knew? And its been working for whom, exactly? Not for families in poverty,… ...
    1 day ago
  • Building better connections between Asia and the Pacific
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    Its our futureBy ScoopBlogPush
    1 day ago
  • Budget 2015: Media releases and tertiary education coverage
    We will update this page over the next few days with media releases and news stories on Budget 2015 and its effect on tertiary education and on employment. Radio NZ: Govt tightens education purse strings The Government is expecting fewer… ...
    2 days ago
  • Helping Our Heritage Come Alive – Mt Eden Rd
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  • Budget 2015 shows no plans for public sector wages
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    2 days ago
  • Don’t expect to see chemical safety data sheets in restaurants
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    2 days ago
  • World News Brief, Thursday May 21
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  • Hard News: Mediaworks: The only horizon they see
    When it emerged last month that Campbell Live was facing the axe, I ventured that Mediaworks had become far more Julie Christie's company than it was John Campbell's. And I think that's the reality behind the news that Campbell Live… ...
    2 days ago
  • Andrew’s little Poem
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    2 days ago
  • One good thing
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    2 days ago
  • Budget tougher for students – NZUSA and TEU media release
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    2 days ago
  • Blah Budget: Lala-land forecasts on housing investment
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    PolityBy Rob Salmond
    2 days ago
  • Blah Budget: Cynical bribery on the horizon
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    PolityBy Rob Salmond
    2 days ago
  • Blah Budget: Share of the economy going to workers continues to fall
    The BEFU documents today have unwelcome news for workers. Over the next four years, the share of the economy that ends up in the hands of workers through their wages will fall by around 1.3%. That 1.3% of GDP,… ...
    PolityBy Rob Salmond
    2 days ago
  • Bill English’s Budget illustrates complexity in welfare system
    Budget 2015 has been touted as a package for the poor. And it certainly delivers them more money. However, it gives with one hand and takes away with the other, revealing the confusing and perverse nature of our welfare system.… ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy Geoff Simmons
    2 days ago
  • Blah Budget: Pathetic half-measure on housing
    Yesterday, Paddy Gower thought he had a big scoop. He had leaked Budget docs alluding to a big government-lead house-building programme in Auckland. Today, the pathetic truth is revealed. The Budget puts only $52.2m – as a one off –… ...
    PolityBy Rob Salmond
    2 days ago
  • Blah Budget: Good idea on child poverty. Pity about the tinkering package.
    I can only speak personally, but I am genuinely pleased that the government is following through on its promise to focus on child poverty. New Zealand’s rates of child poverty are appalling, and anything that helps to bring them down… ...
    PolityBy Rob Salmond
    2 days ago
  • Blah Budget: Why there won’t be a surplus next year, either.
    Having failed to reach surplus in this, his promised year, Bill English looks set to fail next year, too. Having been over-optimistic this year to the tune of almost $1.2b – comparing BEFU 2014 to BEFU 2015 - Treasury has… ...
    PolityBy Rob Salmond
    2 days ago

  • Another new tax, another broken promise
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    15 hours ago
  • Anniversary of Sri Lankan Tamil Massacre
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    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty MP
    15 hours ago
  • Labour MPs join youth to take part in 40 hour famine
    A team of Labour MPs took part in the 2015 World Vision 40 hour famine and we were told by World Vision and the young people, that it was the first time MPs had joined them and how appreciative they… ...
    15 hours ago
  • Rodeo: ‘Family entertainment’ or animal abuse?
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    GreensBy Mojo Mathers MP
    15 hours ago
  • Budget puts the squeeze on police
    The Government has cut funding to the New Zealand police force in the latest Budget, says Labour’s Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis. “The reduction is a whopping $15.3 million that could put front line officers at risk. ...
    16 hours ago
  • Crucial social services take another hit
    The Government looks set to slash half a million dollars of funding for critical social services, including Women’s Refuge and Barnados, says Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni “Taking $500,000 from organisations aimed at improving the lives of vulnerable families… ...
    16 hours ago
  • Saying it Loud on Climate in Christchurch
    The Government’s Christchurch consultation meeting on New Zealand’s emission targets was inspiring – not for what was in the Ministry for the Environment’s (MFE’s) defeatist video about the obstacles to changing to a low carbon future, but for what the… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    18 hours ago
  • Budget silent on small business
    The Government has completely ignored one of the most important sectors of the economy – small and medium-sized enterprises – in Budget 2015, Labour’s Small Business spokesperson Jacinda Ardern says. "A stunning 41 per cent of jobs were created by… ...
    18 hours ago
  • Thank you John, it’s been bloody marvellous
    The departure of John Campbell is a blow to current affairs investigative journalism, Labour’s Broadcasting Spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Campbell Live stood out in its field. Its axing comes as local broadcasting in New Zealand remains in a state of… ...
    19 hours ago
  • KiwiSaver cut shows no long-term plan
    National’s cutting of the KiwiSaver kickstart is incredibly short-term thinking, typical of a Budget that is woefully short on ideas to generate wealth and opportunity, Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “New Zealand’s savings rate is far too low. KiwiSaver… ...
    21 hours ago
  • National hits the panic button for its 7th Budget
    National has hit the panic button for its 7th Budget in a desperate attempt to look like they’re taking action to reduce our shameful child poverty rates, but they are giving with one hand and taking with the other, Opposition… ...
    2 days ago
  • Panic and back-flips can’t hide twin deficits
    National’s token measures to fight fires they have left burning for seven long years can’t hide a Budget that is long on broken promises, short on vision and fails to reach surplus, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “After being… ...
    2 days ago
  • Auckland land measure seven years too late
    National are so desperate to look like they are doing something about the Auckland housing crisis they have dusted off Labour’s 2008 inventory of government land available for housing and re-announced it, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Despite National… ...
    2 days ago
  • Access to gender reassignment surgery essential
    I was frankly disgusted to hear the Minister for Health say that funding gender reassignment surgeries is a “nutty idea”. A recent study found that in New Zealand 1% of young people identified themselves as transgender, and 3% were unsure… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    3 days ago
  • Global milk prices now lowest in 6 years
    The latest fall in the global dairy price has brought it to the lowest level in six years and shows there must be meaningful action in tomorrow’s Budget to diversify the economy, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Dairy prices… ...
    3 days ago
  • Big risks as CYF checks stopped
    Revelations that Child, Youth and Family is no longer assisting home-based early childhood educators by vetting potential employees should set alarm bells ringing, Labour Children’s spokesperson Jacinda Ardern says. “Doing away with an extra mechanism for checking potential new employees… ...
    4 days ago
  • Housing crisis about real people not numbers
    The Government’s continued failure to tackle the housing crisis is seeing thousands of vulnerable Kiwis being kept off social housing waiting lists, while others, who are on the list, are being forced to live in cars and garages, says Labour’s… ...
    4 days ago
  • Housing crisis about real people not numbers
    The Government’s continued failure to tackle the housing crisis is seeing thousands of vulnerable Kiwis being kept off social housing waiting lists, while others, who are on the list, are being forced to live in cars and garages, says Labour’s… ...
    4 days ago
  • State of origin
    Kiwis are increasingly concerned about the food they give their families. New Zealand consumers have the right to know where their food has come from, particularly when it involves animals, and should be able to expect our Government to label… ...
    GreensBy Steffan Browning MP
    4 days ago
  • Relationships Aotearoa
    It is disturbing that Relationships Aotearoa, a voluntary organisation set up in 1949 to help couples struggling with their relationships following the upheavals of World War II, may be forced to close, says Acting Spokesperson for the Voluntary and Community… ...
    4 days ago
  • An economy that is just working for some is an economy that is not working
    The National Party presents itself as a great manager of the economy, but if the economy is only working for some we really need to question that assertion. Alongside the perpetually elusive surplus, the levels of risk in our economy are… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    4 days ago
  • An economy that is just working for some is an economy that is not working
    The National Party presents itself as a great manager of the economy, but if the economy is only working for some we really need to question that assertion. Alongside the perpetually elusive surplus, the levels of risk in our economy are… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    4 days ago
  • House prices to a crack $1 million in 17 months
    The average Auckland home is on track to cost $1 million in 17 months’ time if nothing substantial is done to rein in soaring price rises, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Auckland’s house prices have skyrocketed 63 per cent… ...
    4 days ago
  • Vital support services can’t be left in lurch
    The National Government has big questions to answer about how a provider of services to thousands of vulnerable New Zealanders is set to fold, Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson says. Relationships Aotearoa which provides support and counselling to families, individuals… ...
    5 days ago
  • Treasury and IRD on a capital gains tax
    Both the Treasury and IRD have been advising the National Government on the benefits of a capital gains tax. Documents released to the Green Party under an Official Information Act request show that John Key has been selective with the… ...
    GreensBy Russel Norman MP
    5 days ago
  • Charity legislation needs review
    It is unacceptable that the big corporate based charities claim  millions in annual income tax exemptions, while small community based and operated non-profit organisations  struggle to gain official charity status, Labour’s acting spokesperson for the Voluntary and Community Sector Louisa… ...
    5 days ago
  • John’s panic-Key response to housing crisis
    John Key needs to tell New Zealanders what caused his sudden change of heart that led to the Government’s scrambled and last-minute housing measures, Opposition Leader Andrew Little says. “The Prime Minister’s sudden rush of blood to his head followed… ...
    5 days ago
  • Keep our Assets Christchurch Campaign: An update
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    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    5 days ago
  • John Key finally admits there’s a housing crisis
    John Key’s weak measures to rein in the astronomical profits property speculators are making are an admission – finally – that there is a housing crisis, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “But yet again National is tinkering with the housing… ...
    6 days ago
  • Government stifles voices in CYFs review
    The Government’s exclusion of the Māori Women’s Welfare League in a panel on the future of CYFs is a cynical ploy to stifle views, says Labour’s Māori Development Spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta. “It's unbelievable that a significant review on the future… ...
    1 week ago
  • Speech to the Otago Chamber of Commerce
    Thank you very much for the opportunity to be here today. It’s a pleasure as always to be back in the town that raised me. Growing up in St Kilda meant that there was one thing that was a big… ...
    1 week ago
  • Key can’t just be Prime Minister for Parnell
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    1 week ago
  • Stop the conversions
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    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty MP
    1 week ago
  • More regional jobs go in Corrections reshape
    News that 194 Corrections staff are to lose their jobs will have ramifications not only for them and their families but for the wider community, Labour’s Corrections spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. Prison units at Waikeria, Tongariro and Rimutaka face closure… ...
    1 week ago
  • Government’s climate meetings off to a bumpy start
    On Wednesday, I attended a hui and an evening meeting that the Government had organised in Nelson as part of its climate change consultation tour, to support the Nelson community telling the Government to take meaningful action on climate change.… ...
    GreensBy Steffan Browning MP
    1 week ago
  • Taxpayers the only ones left feeling blue
    Ministry of Social Development bosses could have saved themselves thousands of dollars in consultants’ fees by providing staff with rose-tinted spectacles, Labour’s State Services spokesperson Kris Faafoi says. A report out today reveals the Ministry is spending over half a… ...
    1 week ago
  • Why are the regions still facing restrictions?
    Labour's Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford is questioning why the regions should continue to be saddled with LVR lending restrictions announced by the Reserve Bank today. “Labour has been calling for the regions to be exempted from LVRs for the best… ...
    1 week ago
  • The high costs of weak environmental regulation
    Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere is described on the Department of Conservation website as “Canterbury’s largest and New Zealand’s fifth largest [lake], and an internationally important wildlife area.” But the lake is also polluted by nutrients leaching from farms in the catchment.… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    1 week ago
  • Submissions to Wellington City Council on their Gambling Venues Policy
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    GreensBy Denise Roche MP
    1 week ago
  • Reserve Bank action shows Govt out of touch and out of ideas
    The Reserve Bank’s unprecedented measures today show it understands the serious risks of the overheating housing market – in complete contrast to John Key’s refusal to acknowledge the crisis, Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The Bank is right to… ...
    1 week ago
  • Send us your snaps: 25 Years of the Green Party
    This year we've hit a milestone. We're turning 25.To help celebrate a quarter of a century, please send us your photos from the last 25 years of the Green Party Aotearoa New Zealand! Note: Photos must be jpg, gif or… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 25 Years of the Green Party
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    2 weeks ago
  • Bay growth plan too little too late
    Today’s Bay of Plenty growth study from MBIE is another example of Government spin - lots of talk but little action, says Labour’s Regional Development spokesperson David Cunliffe.  “This is a region that desperately needs to develop the downstream processing… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government bows to ACC pressure
     The Government has finally buckled to pressure from Labour and the New Zealand public in making a half billion dollar cut to ACC levies, but the full benefits are two years away,” says Opposition Leader Andrew Little.  “$500 million over… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • False figures cloud Auckland transport facts
    The Prime Minister should apologise and issue a correction after both he and Transport Minister Simon Bridges have been caught out misrepresenting facts on Auckland’s transport spending, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. "Both John Key and Simon Bridges have… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Govt books confirm National can’t post surplus
    The last publication of the Government’s books before the budget shows National will break its promise of seven years and two election campaigns and fail to get the books in order, says Labour’s Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson. “The Government is… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • US state joins NZ with GE food labelling
    New Zealand has a similar law making the labelling of many GE foods compulsory, but the Government seems to let it slide.  Because the government has not monitored or enforced our GE food labelling laws since 2003, it seems the… ...
    GreensBy Steffan Browning MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour Pays Tribute to Erima Henare
    “E ua e te ua tata rahi ana, Ko te hua i te kamo taheke i runga raa. No reira e te rangatira Erima takoto mai I roto I te ringa o Ihowa o nga Mano e moe e.” ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour Pays Tribute to Erima Henare
    “E ua e te ua tata rahi ana, Ko te hua i te kamo taheke i runga raa. No reira e te rangatira Erima takoto mai I roto I te ringa o Ihowa o nga Mano e moe e.” ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour Pays Tribute to Erima Henare
    “E ua e te ua tata rahi ana, Ko te hua i te kamo taheke i runga raa. No reira e te rangatira Erima takoto mai I roto I te ringa o Ihowa o nga Mano e moe e.” ...
    2 weeks ago

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