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Polity: Poor pay more tax than rich in UK

Written By: - Date published: 7:55 am, July 19th, 2014 - 134 comments
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polity_square_for_lynnReposted from Polity.

The Guardian has a good account of recent British research into tax.

According to survey research, most people believe that the rich pay a higher proportion of their income in tax than the poor. The British public collectively estimates the poor pay around 24% of their income in tax, while the rich pay around 35%.

The truth is very different. Once you add up income tax bills, VAT bills, Council tax bills, and other taxes, the poorest actually pay around 43% of their income in tax, compared to only 35% for the rich.

This finding doesn’t really surprise me, because a milder version of it true in New Zealand, too. As I found in my book about the New Zealand Tax system, in this country both very low income and quite high income people pay roughly the same proportions of their income in tax, and both ends of the distributions pay substantially more then the people in the middle. Here’s the chart from chapter 8:

You can have this kind of tax distribution despite having personal income tax rates that go steadily up with income because of the way different people spend their money.

Because many people at the very low end of the income distribution are not householders, they have basically no expenditures that avoid GST. And because they make very little money, they also do not save much. So GST eats a full 15% of their income (sometimes more if they are dipping into previous savings).

But as people start being responsible for rent or mortgage payments, which generally comes with having a higher income, a portion of their expenditure avoids GST, bringing the tax rate as a proportion of their income down. And, as they find room in their budget to save money or spend money overseas, their exposure to GST drops again.

New Zealand is not a country where people always pay tax at a higher level as they earn more. The middle class pays less than anyone, and the poor and the rich pay at roughly similar rates.

134 comments on “Polity: Poor pay more tax than rich in UK”

  1. karol 1

    Kind of reflects how middle income people are the main focus of contemporary politics and politicians. Meanwhile those on low incomes tend to just give up, and stop voting, knowing pollies are just not working for them.

  2. Draco T Bastard 2

    You can have this kind of tax distribution despite having personal income tax rates that go steadily up with income because of the way different people spend their money.

    Simply put: Because of GST.

    Of course, that’s what sales taxes are designed to do – reduce taxes on the rich and increase taxes on the poor.

  3. mikesh 3

    I don’t think GST is payable on private rental. However, this doesn’t alter the basic argument. If we exclude housing costs, whether mortgage or rental, the poor are paying a greater proportion of their income in GST.

  4. Ergo Robertina 4

    This is why we need a financial transaction tax which would shift some of the burden away from those on low incomes.
    The top 10% in NZ have more than the other 90%; the top 1% more than the bottom 70, and they’re taxed at a similar rate as those who have to spend all their money just to live.
    Those on low incomes are also gamed on things like pre-pay power, for which they pay a premium.
    But there is no political mechanism to effect change.

    • Colonial Viper 4.1

      But there is no political mechanism to effect change.

      And this is a serious problem. Overseas it is leading to pressure cooker social-political situations, and giving a leg up to extremist groups like the Golden Dawn.

  5. big bruv 5

    So those who get the most from the public purse also pay the most into it. Sounds like a good deal to me.

    • blue leopard 5.1

      @Big Bruv

      “There is nobody in this country who got rich on their own. Nobody. You built a factory out there – good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory… Now look. You built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea – God bless! Keep a hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

      ― Elizabeth Warren

      • big bruv 5.1.1

        Blue Leopard

        Your reasoning falls at the first hurdle. Given that you support a “progressive” tax system then the man who built the factory paid far more than the workers under him who built the roads. Those at the bottom of the heap in a “progressive” tax system are the ones who should be paying more, they are the ones who owe society a debt. Those who build the factories or the businesses are the ones who should be paying a lot less, or be allowed to keep a lot more of what they earn.

        • KJT 5.1.1.1

          “Those who build the factories or the businesses are the ones who should be paying a lot less, or be allowed to keep a lot more of what they earn”.

          Agree. Entrepreneurs, builders, machinists and other workers, who build the businesses, should be allowed to keep more of what they earn.
          Interest takers and those who only contribute money should keep less.

        • blue leopard 5.1.1.2

          @ Big Bruv

          I am not getting your reasoning here at all ( did your comment contain any reasoning or were you just asserting your belief without any?)

          Those who benefit the most from society are those who collect the most wealth – it is these people who owe the most to society – for the good fortune which they have derived from the social structure – hence it is they that need to pay more, not those who are struggling to get by – who are clearly benefiting the least from society.

          The bonus about taxing in such a way is that those gathering the most money don’t cause a collapse in society by capturing the pool of wealth and ending up with a monopoly of power that vast wealth also brings them.

          It would also mean that the government would be less likely to have to make up for societal failures such as joblessness and wages that don’t cover living costs.

          Those benefiting the most from society are fools to support ideologies that collapse the very society that they happen to benefit the most from. If redistribution doesn’t occur society will collapse -collapse is an utterly predictable outcome when wealth collects in fewer and fewer hands.

          If you asked me whether someone who was investing in productive enterprises should be paying less tax than those who are simply investing in non-productive speculation with their wealth (making ‘money on their money’) – then I would agree – however when the question is between those with lots of wealth and those with none, or next to none, then my response is still the same; those collecting wealth (through whatever means) certainly need to be taxed more than those not gathering it/going backwards.

  6. big bruv 6

    “Meanwhile those on low incomes tend to just give up, and stop voting, knowing pollies are just not working for them.”

    Except in NZ where we have WFF. Those who have had kids, or have no more than they can afford end up paying for other peoples kids.

    • KJT 6.1

      Those whose kids we have paid for, or who expect to live off the work of those kids later, who refuse to pay their share.

      • big bruv 6.1.1

        See, only a socialist would think or speak like that. Somebody who is not going to rely on others for the rest of their lives would already have made provision for their retirement.

        • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.1

          Saving money achieves nothing. You’re still going to be dependent upon those younguns you disparage.

          • big bruv 6.1.1.1.1

            Draco

            I do not despise the young. I despise bludgers and parasites. Not just benefit parasites but also those who reach middle age having done nothing to make themselves more employable and then moan about being in the minimum wage.

            If we had more people in NZ who were prepared to take personal responsibility for themselves and to dig in a little harder at their job then we would have far more money available for the very few genuine beneficiaries who really need our help.

            • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.1.1.1

              Now that’s a rant of pure stereotyping and mythologising.

              For starters, nobody wants to be on welfare. Those extremely few people who are defrauding welfare don’t want to be on welfare except for the fact that they can get more money – they’re working and probably have a living income outside of welfare. Just because it’s probably illegal work doesn’t detract from that.

              Then there’s a question of people who have reached middle age and have done all that society have told them that they should do (got an education, written CVs, etc) and still find themselves unable to get a job. These people aren’t being hired because of what the employers are doing and there is, quite simply, nothing that they themselves can do about it. At a guess, I’d say that there were essentially no people who reach middle age without doing something to improve their employability.

              And the two problems with money is 1.) that most of it’s going to far too few people – the rich and 2.) the way that it’s created that actually causes even more money to go to the rich.

              Then we come down to the fact that, over the last thirty years, the politicians have been implementing the neo-liberal paradigm and destroying our economy. Rebuild and diversify the economy (agricultural economies have always been poor economies and NZ isn’t an exception) and we’ll get back to 0% unemployment. Even those that at present find themselves unable to get a job will be employed. Of course, the employers don’t like that idea as it means that they won’t be able to force wages down as they have since the 1980s.

              • Colonial Viper

                DTB, that’s way too much nuance and holistic thinking for BB. He just wants subhuman targets to despise and lord over.

              • KJT

                Thanks, DTB. I would have put that link up if you hadn’t.

                Mind you, as research has shown, right wing authoritarian followers cannot be convinced by facts that conflict with their indoctrination.

            • KJT 6.1.1.1.1.2

              “I despise bludgers and parasites”.

              So do I.

              The children of the rich who have done nothing to earn the money, who live lives of leisure and contribute nothing.

              Those who made their money by asset stripping and shutting down perfectly good companies so they could burgle the, then, defined benefit pension schemes.

              Those who made a mint by buying, at fire sale prices their mates in Government set, essential assets that tax payers had built up over decades, to strip them and run them down.

              Those whose businesses would not exist without other businesses and PAYE tax payers paying WFF and other welfare so their employees can live. A subsidy to poor businesses who cannot/or will not pay a decent wage. Look up Walmart in the USA for the business model.

              Those invested in failing finance companies knowing they would be bailed out by tax payers when they failed.

              Those who sit in parliament, collecting an income from us, while working for those who will pay them in directorships and other bribes when they leave.

              Those who sit idly by gaining fortunes from the highest interest rates in the Western world due to absurd RBA.

              Yep. Past time we cleaned out the parasites.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1.1.1.1.3

              National creates bludgers and parasites, tens of thousands more: more unemployed, more long-term unemployed, lower wage increases.

              Rabid wingnut’s own goal: always more parasites under National.

              • Naki man

                “National creates bludgers and parasites, tens of thousands more: more unemployed, more long-term unemployed, lower wage increases.”

                Don’t be such a tool AOB, National is slowly getting the parasites off welfare. There are parasites that post on this site, funny how they are all extreme lefties. One complaining that he gets cold in the morning and has to wear several layers of clothes.
                Most people would just get off their arse and get a job.

                • KJT

                  And a comment from the lunatic fringe.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Most people would just get off their arse and get a job.

                  The people on welfare would get a job – if there were any available.

                  • big bruv

                    “The people on welfare would get a job – if there were any available.”

                    There are jobs available, most of those who have been on the dole long term have no desire to ever work.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Why are there so many more of them under National? Is it because their policies are based on false beliefs much?

                    • fender

                      [citation needed] big bruv Hitlers little nephew..

              • Naki man

                “National creates bludgers and parasites, tens of thousands more: more unemployed, more long-term unemployed, lower wage increases.”

                Don’t be such a tool AOB, National is slowly getting the parasites off welfare. There are parasites that post on this site, funny how they are all extreme lefties. One complaining that he gets cold in the morning and has to wear several layers of clothes.
                Most people would just get off their arse and get a job.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  National is slowly getting the parasites off welfare.

                  Nope, National have been giving them even more welfare – Rio Tinto, SkyCity, Warner Bros – the list goes on.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  Why are there always so many more long-term unemployed under National? Is it because people hate National so much they become parasites out of spite? Or is it because National, and especially Bill English, could crash a parked car?

                  His economic policy is earthquakes and population growth.

        • KJT 6.1.1.2

          Yes I am a socialist.
          I am also a capitalist.

          Capitalism does not work when a few hoard all the wealth.

          When your “savings” disappear because of the next neo-liberal financial meltdown, or they are worth nothing because self interested individuals have destroyed our society, I expect, like all the advocates of “individual responsibility” you will again be back to us “socialists” with your hand out, to bail you out.

          Meanwhile, I will continue to invest in my children’s and other young peoples future, the reason why I have little savings.

          A much wiser investment than relying on a proven dysfunctional financial system which depends on unrealistic, infinite growth.

        • mpledger 6.1.1.3

          Even if you have money in retirement, you need society to function in order for that retirement money to have any value.

          When you’re old and sick and can’t hold a drivers license than getting food, health care and transport is going to depend on there being young people educated enough and willing enough to protect your wealth, get you food, get you health care and drive you around.

          • Richard McGrath 6.1.1.3.1

            If older people have children, it is surely their responsibility to enquire into the welfare of their parents before the burden should be shoved onto strangers.

          • Colonial Viper 6.1.1.3.2

            mpledger – you hit the bullseye. It’s not the numbers in a bank account which matter, it is the social cohesion and real physical capabilities of the economy (and the workers within it) which determine whether or not anything of value can be delivered in exchange for those electronic numbers.

            McGrath: cases of adult children abandoning their parents are already common. And the trend is worsening. This is the inevitable result of an individualistic society which has scoffed for too long at ‘family values’ in favour of ‘doing what suits me, when it suits me.’

  7. Colonial Viper 7

    Actual taxes paid by the top 10% need to go up by about a third; those paid by the bottom 10% need to decrease by about half.

    • Colonial Viper 7.1

      I will add – there needs to be a corporate super tax. Any profits over $100M pa to be taxed at 49%. So that means every major bank in NZ.

      • nadis 7.1.1

        I can assure that instantly, no corporate will ever make more than $100mm in profits. NZ will become a country with no large resident businesses, but lots of offshore companies operating here.

        And the same thing with Tobin or transaction tax. No transactions would get settled here, thus there’d be no transaction taxes levied. Unless the entire globe levies the same transaction tax, transactions will just gravitate to the jurisdiction with no tax.

        You cant just wish for things to be true.

        The best thing we could do is get rid of all the tax system related transfer payments, reduce dramatically the scope and magnitude of allowable deductions and tax offsets, make the first $30k of income tax free for everyone and just move the other tax thresholds up to compensate, increase GST to 20%. Most people at the lower end would be a lot better off. Get rid of WFF – the inequity it creates is a joke.

        • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1

          I can assure that instantly, no corporate will ever make more than $100mm in profits. NZ will become a country with no large resident businesses, but lots of offshore companies operating here.

          Huh? Why are you trying to make something so simple sound so hard?

          Simply require those companies to be registered here if they wish to have any access to the NZ banking network, lease buy or operate NZ property, or to move any money internationally. Easy to do and no big deal to enforce.

          Further, any established major corporates which currently make high profits but restructure to avoid these new regs will be sanctioned, and their operations and clients given to their competitors which are willing to operate within the NZ commercial framework.

          Piece of cake.

          • Gosman 7.1.1.1.1

            Name me the countries around the world who have successfully implemented such policies.

            • felix 7.1.1.1.1.1

              How about you name those who have successfully implemented pure unregulated free-market capitalism.

              Then people might feel some obligation to justify to you every suggestion of the slightest deviation from it.

              • Richard McGrath

                The closest to unregulated FMC would be in the USA and Great Britain in the 18th and 19th centuries, with massive improvements in the standard of living for people in those countries, as measured by life expectancy.

                • fender

                  Nothing to do with improved nutrition, delivery of clean water, removal of waste, improved health practices or mortality reductions driven primarily by medicine???

                  • RedLogix

                    fender,

                    Absolutely. Clean water and sewerage treatment were by far the two single biggest contributors to life expectancy.

                    Built almost entirely by governments.

          • big bruv 7.1.1.1.2

            Viper

            Would it not be much easier for you to advocate nationalisation of all industry and business?

            After all, if you are going to deny them their profits then it makes no sense for them to remain in the NZ market given our insignificance.

            I am sure that the average Kiwi would love to hear why he has to put up with inferior NZ made products and services simply because the left don’t like the idea of companies making a profit.

            • felix 7.1.1.1.2.1

              Good to see you staunchly defending your right to be taxed by corporations.

            • KJT 7.1.1.1.2.2

              You are a joke BB.

              As I look around me, at the 25 year old New Zealand made fridge, the cupboard full of crown Lynn china, and the pair of wooly/leather boots made in the 80’s.
              Lees forklifts some of which are still in use 30 years on.
              Shoes which lasted years.
              Remembering New Zealand firms which used to honour their warranties with pride as I take back yet another shoddy imported piece of crap which stopped working almost as soon as I got it home, to be told it is past its warranty.
              Remembering when New Zealanders had jobs they could be proud off, making quality goods, instead of being in minimum hours minimum wage service jobs.

              And I think of the e-book made in China that the shop was surprised when it lasted 2 years. The parade of toasters and kettles, which last 6 months if you are lucky. Pots which fall apart in a year. Whiteware which now has a “5 year life”.
              Railway wagons which have cost more in repairs, this year, than the ones we used to make, in Thames and Hillside, cost in their entire lifespan.
              Working on a ship made in China where nothing worked even when it was new.

              We can do without the poor quality British made cars, machinery and other manufactured goods they used to force us to take, the cheap rubbish they made for “the colonies” to pay for our quality commodities.
              Same as we can do without the short lived, expensive in lost jobs, constant replacement and added debt, crap, China and the States send us.

              Yes please. Bring back the “poor quality New Zealand made goods”.

              • Colonial Viper

                man, I am going to bookmark your comment KJT, you remind me what path our nation has missed out on.

              • BM

                Think of it this way.

                You can buy a quality appliance for $5000 and get 20 years use or you can pay $1250 for a cheaper version and get 5 years.

                What do you think the better deal is?

                • KJT

                  When you factor in the real costs, Lifecycle costs, borrowing to buy the junk, the lost jobs in New Zealand, the time lost due to things not working etc. and the use of irreplaceable resources, the, cheap junk, is not really cheap.

                  • BM

                    I disagree, it gives people options, what do you do if you can’t afford the 5k to buy that fridge freezer, you need a fridge.

                    What happens is you pay through the nose for a clapped out second hand piece of shit, that’s what happens or you go into debt to purchase that overpriced fridge.

                    At least with a cheaper versions people have the ability to buy a semi decent product with at least a two year warranty.

                    How about buying school shoes, I was just discussing this with my partner, she remembers having one pair of school shoes because that’s all her family could afford and they were brought oversize to start with so they could last at least 2-3 years.
                    These days a family can go down and buy 5 pairs of proper fitting school shoes at the same price it used to cost for one.

                    Yeah, the good old days.

              • Richard McGrath

                You forgot the Trekka 4WD vehicles, also made in Godzone.

                • RedLogix

                  For quite a few decades at least 45% by value (and a larger portion by volume) of all cars assembled in NZ was manufactured locally.

                  In the Hutt Valley alone there were companies making, seats, carpets, wiring harnesses, paint, automotive glass, springs, wheels, tyres, batteries, etc – all perfectly capable of operating to world class standards. (And those are the ones I can recall off the top of my head.)

                  Sure there are always other countries where anything can be done cheaper. There always are. Without exception.

                  That is why if you want any kind of manufacturing economy – it is a always a strategic political decision.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    NZ workers are being told to be competitive with developing world labour, slave labour, child labour, prison labour, and if you can’t then sorry your industry is going to be offshored.

                    That is why if you want any kind of manufacturing economy – it is a always a strategic political decision.

                    Absolutely. It is a decision of the society which needs to be reflected in the politics. Instead what we have had is neoclassical economists and financiers tell us what our societies can and cannot choose, according to their dictates.

                    And a compliant spineless political class which has largely gone along with it.

                    The issue now is the expected degradation of globalisation in the next 30-40 years. If we do not rebuild some of our own internal capabilities, we are going to be left high and dry as complex international logistics and supply networks strain and buckle.

      • Naki man 7.1.2

        CV, what you are saying is big companies are not allowed to make reasonable profits.
        100 mill might be a small profit for a very big company. It is about % profit not a magic number that sounds big pulled out of someones arse. The last thing this country needs is a banking system that is not profitable. If these banks don’t have deep pockets then they cant take the losses and we all lose.

        • Colonial Viper 7.1.2.1

          The last thing this country needs is a banking system that is not profitable. If these banks don’t have deep pockets then they cant take the losses and we all lose.

          I’m quite happy for some of the tax monies taken from the big banks currently usurious billion dollar profits to be put aside in a Reserve Bank contingency fund for a rainy day.

    • big bruv 7.2

      Why do you say that Viper ? (other than out of pure envy for those who earn a big wage)

      If somebody earns $200K or so and pays nearly $54k a year in tax is that not enough in your book?

      • deep throat 7.2.1

        @big buv
        if you want know what God thinks about money just look at those he lets have it.

        • nadis 7.2.1.1

          ok – I’m thinking of people like Stephen Tindall, David Levene, Peter Leitch etc and many others of similar philanthropic ilk in NZ and philanthropists like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and numerous others overseas. Whats your point?

          • KJT 7.2.1.1.1

            Warren Buffet is on record as saying the wealthy should pay more tax, a lot more.
            “Why should I pay less tax than my secretary”.

            Bill Gates has said he will leave his children comfortable, but no one should inherit a vast fortune.

            It seems that most of those who really did earn their money through entrepreneurship and effort, are happy to contribute back to society.

      • Colonial Viper 7.2.2

        If somebody earns $200K or so and pays nearly $54k a year in tax is that not enough in your book?

        As I said, they should be paying roughly $70K in tax i.e. approx 1/3 more.

        (other than out of pure envy for those who earn a big wage)

        On the contrary, I am grateful for their significant contribution to our health, education and social welfare system.

        • Richard McGrath 7.2.2.1

          But CV, why shouldn’t a person on $200k gross be paying $150k in tax? Surely they can live comfortably on a net $50k?

          • Colonial Viper 7.2.2.1.1

            Well, let’s not go down the road of being mean, McGrath.

            • Richard McGrath 7.2.2.1.1.1

              That is not a satisfactory answer. The socialist French president advocated a 75% tax on some people’s income. Why would such a tax on $200k be “mean”?

              • Colonial Viper

                I have no issue with a 75% income tax rate on the top 0.1% of income earners, applied to say each dollar above $750K pa, simply to send a signal.

      • KJT 7.2.3

        I agree with you there. As people on about 200k tend to be surgeons, school headmasters, engineers, small business owners, entrepreneurs, and other useful people, I think they pay enough tax. (The ones that do pay their proper tax).

        45% rate should cut in about 250k like Australia. Of course it is higher because they have State taxes as well.

        In fact why don’t we just match Aussie income tax rates?

        The abatement rate for people on welfare and the stand-down periods prevent them from working, and keep them in a poverty trap, Those should be changed. The highest marginal tax is paid by the poorest people trying to get ahead.

        PAYE earners and those on low incomes are taxed too much because we do not make those with a lot of wealth pay their share.

        Inheritance taxes (why should someone inherit unearned wealth beyound a certain amount. It stops capitalism from working, because wealth is concentrated in too few conservative hands).
        FTT. The financial system now earns way in excess of any productive benefit they provide to our society.
        Wealth taxes. Including CGT on any house over the Auckland median.

        If we tax those who have gained the most from our functioning society, in proportion, we may even be able to get rid of the horribly regressive, and business destroying, GST.
        Removing company and even income taxes may be an option.

        Then we will have enough for a UBI, removing welfare as such.

        • Colonial Viper 7.2.3.1

          You raise a lot of good points, and basically I would feel the tax system would be far more progressive if:

          1) People on $30K pa paid far less effective taxes than those on $200K pa. That’s not the case now once you take regressive taxes like GST and petrol into account. How this is accomplished I don’t know (raise taxes on the top 1% – which those on $200K just fall inside? Drop taxes on the bottom 50%?)

          2) the following taxes are must haves: Death Tax, wealth tax and FTT.

          In fact why don’t we just match Aussie income tax rates?

          The abatement rate for people on welfare and the stand-down periods prevent them from working, and keep them in a poverty trap, Those should be changed. The highest marginal tax is paid by the poorest people trying to get ahead.

          PAYE earners and those on low incomes are taxed too much because we do not make those with a lot of wealth pay their share.

          Every note you hit here, hits spot on, in my mind.

  8. big bruv 8

    Viper

    I am well aware of what you said, I did not ask you what you, said I asked why you said it.

    I am genuinely interested in your reasoning, if (as you say) you do not want to raise taxes simply out of envy then I really would like to know why you think that $54k a year is not enough.

    • felix 8.1

      I would like to know why you think $130,000 is not enough.

      • KJT 8.1.1

        I don’t think it is enough, when you have to support 5 other adults without work.

        Mind you, it would be plenty if we still had a functioning society with employment for them and/or a functional welfare system. The society that National, and neo-liberal Labour, has been destroying, like a bunch of rats, slowly removing the foundations.

        Personally I would be better off paying more tax, so they can be educated further and/or have jobs, and/or a UBI.

        And they are not BB’s fantasy of the lazy unemployed.
        All the young people I know, desperately want liveable jobs. 12 hours guaranteed a week at a fast food joint is not a liveable job.
        One can’t work due to health reasons, though he has tried, and the others, despite having good tertiary qualifications, and references, and trying in Auckland etc, haven’t been able to secure full time work.
        It is just maths. 25000 unemployed in Northland. 200 jobs.

        We want more income for Government, not out of envy, but so our country can function successfully.

        • Colonial Viper 8.1.1.1

          I don’t think it is enough, when you have to support 5 other adults without work.

          It’s $11,000 net in hand every month. In a very comfortable communal (flatting style) living arrangement making mortgage repayments of $750 pw, there’s still loads of budget to go around. Once the house is paid off and owned freehold life is easy. Even if no one else is doing paid work, but just contributing to the household via their labour.

          *Not everyone is going to be able to own a new car, or head overseas on big holidays all at once, but short of certain higher end luxuries there would be no impediment to a secure financial life.

          • KJT 8.1.1.1.1

            Most people in Auckland now have a mortgage of 300k CV.

            • Colonial Viper 8.1.1.1.1.1

              $750 pw repayments means that mortgage will be paid off in around 11 years, KJT.

          • big bruv 8.1.1.1.2

            Viper

            I note that you still cannot tell me why $54k is not enough.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 8.1.1.1.2.1

              I note you are whining about taxes, no sense of pride in our collective achievements, and no doubt a staunch patriot too. A mass of confused and contradictory false beliefs all wrapped into a whinging, thrashing little bundle of bigotry and hatred.

              Hates “parasites”, votes for the parties that create more of them :lol:

              • KJT

                Yep. If BB is really against more people without work, and on welfare he would not support the people that ‘always’ increase unemployment.

              • big bruv

                OAB

                Interesting comments. What makes them so interesting is that they come from a person of the left. The left side of politics has always been, and will always remain, the last bastion of hatred and bigotry.

                You guys hate the “rich”, you hate big business, you hate anybody who does not share your failed political ideology, you hate free speech and you hate anybody who dares speak out against what you believe in.

                What you guys support is a return to fortress NZ, a return to heavy unionised workplaces complete with the corruption and violence that goes along with unions.

                • KJT

                  Projection much!

                  Unions are and were democratic organisations, unlike the corporates that BB loves so much.

                  That, “failed ideology” worked, to make both businesses and workers prosperous.

                  • big bruv

                    “Unions are and were democratic organisations”

                    Only somebody in their 20’s could make such a statement. Had you actually lived through the days of compulsory unionism, and the very real threats of violence that were directed against those who dared speak out you know that you could not make such a comment and expect to be believed.

                    If unions were such bastions of democracy then why is it that so few Kiwis see the need to belong?

                    • KJT

                      I was born in 1959, BB.

                      The reason for belonging to Unions, collective democratic action to improve peoples lives, no longer exists, because it has been made illegal.
                      An attack on human freedoms by the RWNJ’s who tell us they believe in freedom. Except for those whose work produces the wealth, of course.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Union members get paid more. Better outlaw freedom of speech, association and assembly. Except for chambers of commerce etc.

                    • RedLogix

                      Had you actually lived through the days of compulsory unionism, and the very real threats of violence that were directed against those who dared speak out you know that you could not make such a comment and expect to be believed.

                      Now try speaking out against the management of the corporate you work for …

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I suspect BB is the one in his “20’s”

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  The only person talking hatred is you: I don’t hate rich people. I don’t have an ideology: I’m as biased as the next person and I believe in evidence-based policy.

                  I note your failure to defend your support for the parties that creates the parasites you despise – your words, hate-merchant. How many more tens of thousands of parasites under National was it?

                  • big bruv

                    OAB

                    Again you make statements that simply do not stand up to any type of truth test.

                    Parasites are the same irrespective of who holds the treasury benches. Labour might “create” jobs in the government sector (the best paying ones always going to loyal party members) but the reality is that these “jobs” are nothing more than the benefit in disguise.

                    I applaud any party who gets rid of these positions, the people “employed” are nothing more than a financial drain on those who create the wealth. It is far better to have those parasites out looking for real work and then going on to make a real contribution to society.

                    Imagine that OAB, a society were we could really look after the few genuine cases, a society that did not defend parasites, a society that said to those who lose their (real) job through no fault of their own “we will help you get back on your own feet”

                    That is the type of NZ I want to live in.

                    • KJT

                      Who, creates the wealth, BB?

                      http://kjt-kt.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/the-wealth-creator-myth-stealing.html
                      “The wealthy got their wealth by entrepreneurship and starting new business” ?.
                      Well! no. Most are wealthy because they are born with it. The majority of the rest because they gamed our system to make money from existing assets and public utilities. Morally, no different from robbing someones house.

                      How Allan Gibb’s made a Mint out of a Former Public Utility.
                      “”Gibbs spotted his opportunity early in 1990 when he did his hallmark one-page analysis of what Telecom might be worth. “It was a lovely, fat company, with huge margins and a lazy balance sheet. It was obvious if you could keep the margins it would be a fantastic business.” Like an alpha predator, he went for the throat””.

                      “The wealthy became wealthy through start-ups and entrepreneurship. Selling people products they want”.?

                      Less than 1% of the wealth held by wealthy households in the USA is invested as so called “angel capital”. In reality the wealthy avoid risky start-ups, like the plague. They prefer privatizations of State utilities and financial products where there return is assured by tax payer funding. Those that are too big or too essential for the State to allow them to fail.
                      Affluent Survey.”

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      So all the jobs lost since 2007 were lost from the government sector. Thanks for informing me, I never knew there were so many government sector jobs in manufacturing.

                      Fucking parasites. I’d hate to think any of them have been re-hired as consultants by the government you support.

                    • KJT

                      A New Zealand, BB, where people doing useful jobs such as producing power, making sure buildings are up to scratch etc etc are sacked so the jobs can be contracted out to a private sector which costs twice as much and leaves us with leaky buildings and overpriced unreliable power.

                      Where so-called “wealth creators” destroy viable companies, society and infrastructure to make a buck out of our work..

                      Glad to hear that is the New Zealand you want.

                  • Richard McGrath

                    “I don’t have an ideology: I’m as biased as the next person and I believe in evidence-based policy.”

                    So if slavery was economically viable and cost-effective you’d be all for it?

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Of course not – the evidence is that slavery is immoral. Evidence also shows that capitalism is immoral but we haven’t managed to get rid of it yet.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      The evidence shows that focusing exclusively on your personal economic benefit turns you into a callous and unethical piece of trash.

                    • Richard McGrath

                      “…the evidence is that slavery is immoral”

                      You are not speaking of evidence but logic. I agree that it is immoral, but you can’t prove it is immoral with statistics, you need to use ethical arguments.

                    • felix

                      Yeah, because evidence means “something you can prove with statistics”.

                      FFS I thought you were supposed to be a doctor.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      The Left in NZ has grown weak at making moral and ethical arguments. Preferring numbers and research evidence to quite instead.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      You are not speaking of evidence but logic.

                      Well, I’m pretty sure that the treatment of the slaves in the US prior to the end of their civil war is pretty good evidence that slavery is immoral. It’s also pretty good evidence, IMO, that capitalism itself is immoral.

                      The Left in NZ has grown weak at making moral and ethical arguments.

                      /agreed

                • anker

                  BB in response to OAB.

                  Don’t hate “the rich” as such, but I do hate greed. If you are rich, share it around. It feels better and it turns out giving is associated with happiness.

                  And like OAB I support evidence based policy.

            • Richard McGrath 8.1.1.1.2.2

              You won’t get a straight answer from this mob, BB.

            • Richard McGrath 8.1.1.1.2.3

              “I note that you still cannot tell me why $54k is not enough.”

              No answer yet to your question, BB.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Except for the one you can find by scrolling up. Reality’s Left wing bias strikes again.

                • Richard McGrath

                  You mean the one that was sent 55 minutes after my comment at 11.21 p.m.? Reality strikes again.

              • Draco T Bastard

                If $54k is enough then why do the greedy parasites want millions of dollars per year income?

      • Richard McGrath 8.1.2

        Perhaps it has to do with making provision for the future, allowing early retirement, making yourself independent of the government for financial succour, making places available on public hospital waiting lists by way of being able to afford private insurance or treatment overseas; the things that forward-thinking people might do.

  9. Molly 9

    Am I right in assuming that this post relates only to PAYE or income tax and does not take into account the very real benefits of trusts, and some business expenses?

    eg. car use, utility payments, accommodation free holidays provided by family trust properties in Hawaii?

    If so, the difference between low income – actual poor – and high income – hidden assets, would be even wider.

    • Colonial Viper 9.1

      Yep – the wealthy write the tax regs to benefit those who have access to good tax accountants.

      • Richard McGrath 9.1.1

        Having a flat rate of income tax which was equal to the corporate rate and trust rate would liberate many of those tax accountants into more productive work, CV. With an exemption from income tax for those earning less than $50k.

        • Colonial Viper 9.1.1.1

          And I don’t necessarily disagree; and with a UBI, it would simplify things a hell of a lot.

        • Draco T Bastard 9.1.1.2

          Having all income taxed on the progressive tax scale would do the same thing while being fairer and more ethical.

          • Richard McGrath 9.1.1.2.1

            So you would tax everyone down to the child who is paid for chores and the teenager who mows his grandparents’ lawn?

            • Draco T Bastard 9.1.1.2.1.1

              Ah, the old you must mean this extreme position argument that RWNJs come out with because they’re too bloody stupid and ignorant to think of an actual argument.

              • Richard McGrath

                I guess the personal abuse from DTB says something about him. He gets so upset by a comment that applied his previous comment (“having all income taxed”) to someone on a low wage. Certainly hit a raw nerve there. This is not an “extreme position argument” – there are plenty of teenagers working who would be affected by such a policy.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Nope, I get upset by idiots such as you trying to make unsubstantiated and wildly incorrect statements in an attempt to discredit a solution but not have any actual argument against that solution.

                  All income is now taxed but we ignore a child’s pocket money.

                  • Richard McGrath

                    So a child’s earnings for working is not income?

                    • McFlock

                      Don’t know of any kids who get 45 grand a year pocket money.
                      If some do, it should be easy enough to tax.

                      Or do you want to stop leaping to absurdities?

                    • Richard McGrath

                      McFlock: “Don’t know of any kids who get 45 grand a year pocket money.
                      If some do, it should be easy enough to tax.

                      Or do you want to stop leaping to absurdities?”

                      In case you didn’t know, New Zealanders regardless of age are taxed at about 12 cents in the dollar on the first $14,000 of income. Are you saying the IRD tax tables are an “absurdity”?

                    • McFlock

                      nope.

                      I’m saying that you’re an absurdity.
                      I’m pretty sure i don’t know any kids who get $14k a year pocket money, either.

                      As tax evasion goes, white-collar tax fraud is quite rightly a higher priority for the IRD than whether a six year old correctly completed their IR3.

                      Hell, most kids in NZ wouldn’t even make the threshhold that you have to declare.

    • KJT 9.2

      I have always thought that trusts should be removed for anything other than genuine charities.

      They are simply a vehicle to avoid tax or legal responsibilities.

  10. JonL 10

    Just watched “Boys From The Blackstuff” again.

    In many ways, nothing much has changed in 30-odd years, except, maggie thatcher’s Britain has come to NZ…….

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    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • No time for self-pity
    After 23 meetings across the largest non-Maori electorate in the country – almost all of which went fantastically, approx 4,500km on the odometer, positive MSM and social media coverage, and polling well, I admit my team and I headed to...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • The 30 second speech that could have saved the Moment of Truth
    As the dust settles and we struggle to understand what the bloody hell happened on Saturday, many point to Kim’s failure at the Moment of Truth to present his evidence. I think that Kim was poorly advised and that politics requires a...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Internet MANA and the 2014 election
    It was always going to be a hard task for Hone Harawira to hold onto his Te Tai Tokerau seat when the political establishment united in a coalition to defeat him and the chance for Internet MANA to bring more...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Unity in Action
    Yes the Left have taken a drubbing, but never mind, time to pick ourselves up off the floor, patch up our wound pride, dust ourselves off, cast around for our friends and allies, and re-enter the fray. Lots of work...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • A Fiji democratic mandate for the coup leader – what now for the media?
    Attorney-General Sayad-Khaiyum and Rear-Admiral (Ret) Voreqe Bainimarama’s Fiji First party is poised to lead the country in the next four years. Photo: Mads Anneberg, an AUT Pacific Media Centre student on internship in Suva with Repúblika Magazine and Pacific Scoop...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Why I voted Labour and why 2017 will be different
    As a 3nd and 5th generation Kiwi-Indian (depending on which side of the family we have to go with), my relationship with New Zealand is a special one. Like other New Zealanders who are not of the Caucasian variety, the...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Humble Pie
    Oh. My. God. This was a heartbreaking nightmare. I was wrong, horribly, horribly, horribly wrong. I honestly believed that the resources, the media attention, the vile toxic politics exposed by Dirty Politics and the mass surveillance lies would have seen...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Election 2014; A Post-mortem; a Wake; and one helluva hang-over
    .   . It would be fair to say that the results for Election 2014 did not go as anticipated. The Left has had a drubbing – and some of it was of our own making. In other aspects, there...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • LGNZ congratulates National
    LGNZ congratulates National Local Government New Zealand (LGNZ) congratulates re-elected Prime Minister John Key and the National led government on winning their third consecutive term following Saturday’s general election. LGNZ President Lawrence Yule acknowledges...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • The Letter – 22 September 2014
    John Key’s win is historic. In the history of MMP elections – worldwide – ever – no government has won an absolute majority. MMP was imposed on Germany to make sure that country never had another Hitler. It is designed...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election Coverage – None Better Than Trans Tasman
    To get a steer on what was going to happen in the election - away from the histrionics of the mainstream coverage - the best place to go was The Main Report Group’s weekly political report Trans Tasman....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Federated Farmers intemperate
    For the second time in a week Federated Farmers has made intemperate and provocative comments on environmental issues, says EDS....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • MP’s Stolen Items Recovered
    Following a complaint to Parliamentary Services today [ September 19 ], items which had been stolen from NZ First MP Andrew Williams’ Wellington parliamentary office have been recovered and returned....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election results bad news for those on benefits
    Beneficiary Advocate Kay Brereton says, “ The election result holds no good news for people on benefits, National campaigned successfully with their beneficiary bashing agenda, and will now believe their punitive treatment of beneficiaries has the support...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Opportunity to progress water infrastructure
    “National’s re-election is an opportunity to develop the infrastructure New Zealand needs to provide surety of water for agriculture, town drinking water supply, waterways, recreational use and to future proof the country from climate change,” says Andrew...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Wellington City joins the global call for 100% clean
    At 1:00 pm, residents and visitors of Wellington gathered at the summit of Mt Victoria to join the millions strong call for a 100% clean future....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Hikoi with us from Cape Reinga to Auckland Oil Conference!
    Monday 22 September 2014: Maori from different tribal areas along the western length of Northland are organising a hikoi starting on Saturday to a Government oil conference in Auckland to make sure that Norwegian oil giant Statoil gets the message:...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls
    Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls National re-elected to third term with record high vote as Labour slumps to worst result in over 90 years...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National-led Government wins mandate for RMA reforms
    An unprecedented increase in support for the third-term National Party, the best electoral performance since 1899, has delivered a clear mandate for reform of the Resource Management Act says Federated Farmers. “Vital reforms to the RMA have...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • New Zealand says no to Culture of Death
    Right to Life is pleased that the people of New Zealand have rejected a culture of death by refusing to elect a Labour/Green government that supported the decriminalisation of abortion....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Steven Joyce
    CORIN Steven Joyce if we could start with how things are going to look now with your support partners. Can you just run us through, National can technically govern alone on what you’ve got at the moment, do you think...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Kelvin Davis
    SUSAN Well earlier this morning, just before we came to air in fact, Corin spoke to Kelvin Davis, one of the big winners of the night, the new MP for Te Tai Tokerau....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – David Cunliffe
    CORIN Joining me now is Labour Leader, David Cunliffe. Good morning to you Mr Cunliffe. This is a tough result for Labour, how much personal responsibility do you take for this....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Grey Power congratulates Key
    Grey Power National President Terry King congratulated John Key for his party’s “resounding win “ in yesterday’s election and hoped that the new National Government would look hard at issues affecting the ever–growing number of older New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • EMA congratulates PM John Key and National
    The Employers and Manufacturers Association extend hearty congratulations to the re-election of Prime Minister John Key and National....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Helen Clark Receives Inaugural Women’s Health Rights Award
    Helen Clark was honoured as the first recipient of the Women’s Health Rights Award at the 121st Woman’s Suffrage event held in Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National deal with New Zealand First unlikely
    The National party is unlikely to offer a confidence and supply agreement to New Zealand First according to Dr Ryan Malone, Director Training and Research at Civicsquare....
    Scoop politics | 20-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
    For the past four years I, like 500,000 other New Zealanders, have been illegally smoking cannabis for medicinal purposes and/or even just for the occasional laugh with friends on the weekend. We don't hurt anybody, we don't cause nuisance, we...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
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  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
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  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
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  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
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  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
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  • WGTN: March for free education
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  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
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  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
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  • ACT Final Election Rally
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    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Taxpayers on Hook Again for Solid Energy
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  • Invermay Petition Tops 10,000 Signatures
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    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar vows to continue fight for police
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    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Party Vote Our Weapon in Fight Against Government Corruption
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  • Spirit of Suffrage a Call to Action for All Kiwi Women
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    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Live Election Night Coverage on TV And Online
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