Poverty Watch 13

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1. Dr Terry 1

   24 November 2012 at 9:28 am

   All good stuff, but we have to be ruthlessly honest with ourselves as to how many better off New Zealanders are genuinely concerned for the betterment of Maori, Pacific Islanders and lower socio-economic groups?
2. PlanetOrphan 2

   24 November 2012 at 10:50 am

   Bloody Gnats M8! ,
   Couldn’t organise a [insert any human persuit] in a [insert appropriate location] M8!.
3. BevanJS 3

   24 November 2012 at 11:24 am

   forcing landlords to improve their rental properties will surely drive up rents ………
   • fender 3.1

     24 November 2012 at 12:35 pm

     Allowing landlords to continue letting substandard, unhealthy dumps at over the top prices should lead to them facing prosecution. To recieve top dollar for renting a property you should have to obtain a certificate proving the property is fit for habitation. Those who refuse to comply should not be able to let the property out. Raising the rent for making improvements that meet minimum requirements should not be allowed and should also lead to prosecution. Simple really, strict rules are all that is needed. Why should someone who is fortunate enough to own housing stock be allowed to jeopardise the health of others?
     • BevanJS 3.1.1

       24 November 2012 at 12:56 pm

       … and this “fair” and ‘simple’ system would be enforced how and by who?
       • fender 3.1.1.1

         24 November 2012 at 1:14 pm

         Can’t be too hard to implement a system of inspection for rental properties. An annual fee paid by landlords could fund such a system for the privilege of being allowed to let out a property.

         I’m not sure, but I don’t think a car rental business would be allowed to hire out cars that don’t have a WOF. Just looked at NZTA website and yes a car must be safe before it can be hired out.
         • BevanJS 3.1.1.1.1

           24 November 2012 at 1:27 pm

           and I’m sure rental car companies don’t operate in fear of prosecution for “Raising the rent for making improvements that meet minimum requirements”.

           How about the gummint doesn’t tax us to fail at micro-managing housing stock and we can all take the extra money still in our pockets to do what we need to do for our families.
           • fender 3.1.1.1.1.1

             24 November 2012 at 2:10 pm

             I don’t think a car rental company would survive too long if they raised their fees every time they replaced bald tires, but if they rent out substandard vehicles they could certainly be experiencing some fear of a penalty.

             If the Govt. were more concerned about families having extra money in their pockets they could outlaw price gouging by those greedy landlords who don’t even seem to care if people get ill from being in their unhealthy rental properties.
   • mike e 3.2

     24 November 2012 at 9:14 pm

     Bj they will sell into the marlet rather than do them up reducing prices to new home owmers!
     • BevanJS 3.2.1

       24 November 2012 at 9:27 pm

       so, reducing cheap rental stocks… this seems like great policy.
   • mike e 3.3

     24 November 2012 at 9:34 pm

     Their is an under supply of housing that’s why landlords can get away with gouging and substandard dwellings .
     This is also the reason why we have a house price bubble that is also the reason why the big four banks are gouging our economy ,forcing our dollar up and seriously damaging our productive sector!
     Nationals lack of action is creating poverty.
4. AsleepWhileWalking 4

   24 November 2012 at 11:32 am

   Not to mention the constant moving by families caught between rapidly rising rental properties and even more unaffordable housing to purchase.

   Moving means lack of stability which is especially important in children’s lives, no investment in their community, and disturbingly attendance at a frightening number of schools adding to the damage to our kids. Unacceptable.

   We need to encourage long term rental agreements, improving quality of rentals, and stop rewarding speculation on real estate asap.
5. Hobnob 5

   24 November 2012 at 5:30 pm

   Labour created this so called poverty. Funded by unions. Oh well
   • Colonial Viper 5.1

     24 November 2012 at 5:36 pm

     To be more accurate, the neoliberals in both National and Labour created this poverty – while greatly enriching the top 5% of society.
     • Hobnob 5.1.1

       25 November 2012 at 2:21 pm

       It I was successful and made my wealth in Eco business environment and become part of the 5% am I bad as you suggest?
       • KJT 5.1.1.1

         25 November 2012 at 3:11 pm

         No.
         So long as you are prepared to keep the ladder there for the ones after you.

         Be a Warren Buffet, Hallenstein (For an NZ example) or Bill Gates. Not a Koch, Bennett or a Key.

         I don’t believe all the rich are “rich pricks”.
         • Hobnob 5.1.1.1.1

           25 November 2012 at 5:40 pm

           I am Eco business don’t do ladders – made of steel. If my lowest guy gets 30.00 an hour for working in the warehouse..why does he need a union rep? He gets all the other basics plus 5 weeks holiday and 6% kiwisaver.
   • Draco T Bastard 5.2

     24 November 2012 at 7:34 pm

     In general it’s capitalism and the privatisation of the commons that causes poverty. It’s expanded under neo-liberalism which has been followed by both sides since the 1980s.
     • Colonial Viper 5.2.1

       24 November 2012 at 7:38 pm

       Agreed that is the more general case. Who is going to move core assets and wealth back into the commons…
6. locus 6

   24 November 2012 at 9:44 pm

   NZ housing is pitifully inadequate in terms of insulation. Changes in legislation and significant long term commitment by NZ governments to fund and enforce higher standards are the only way to bring NZ up to first world standards. The benefits will far outweigh the costs
   • Colonial Viper 6.1

     24 November 2012 at 10:03 pm

     And will create jobs, lots of jobs. Ensure the insulation is NZ sourced and start up an R&D effort around it too.
     • locus 6.1.1

       24 November 2012 at 10:37 pm

       so many success stories around the world of initiatives to restore renovate and build to exacting and inspiring standards while in NZ we rely on half-hearted measures and charity funding. Huge opportunity as you’ve pointed out.
7. Michael 7

   25 November 2012 at 5:04 pm

   This is a good policy (and long overdue) but, as always with Labour, the devil will be in the details. A good example is the much-trumpeted “income-related rents” for state housing tenants. Very few tenants actually qualified for income-related rents, due to absurdly low thresholds, while those who did only had their rents dropped if they were able to complete a complex bureaucratic obstacle course not just once, when they applied for income-related rent, but every 6-12 months thereafter, when they were subject to rent reviews. The dishonest nature of Labour’s state tenancy policy was revealed in two court cases involving the same tenant, just before Labour got kicked out of office in 2008. The judges, in both the High Court and the Court of Appeal, after reading mountains of documents, had no difficulty concluding that Labour’s underlying policy was one of market rents for state house tenants. I believe Labour knew this all along but calculated that it could bullshit HNZ tenants into thinking they could get cheaper rents and, thus, keep voting for it. Will anything really change in the remote chance of Labour taking office again?

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