Public service broadcasting and politics

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1. Colonial Viper 1

   25 November 2012 at 11:03 am

   An outstanding piece, Karol, one which focusses on some of the core infrastructure needed to keep a real democracy functioning and citizens informed and thoughtful – the Fourth Estate.
2. Slartibartfast 2

   25 November 2012 at 11:08 am

   You can of course watch Citizen A on Bomber’s blog site and there are links from Scoop and Live News too. Is this the real future of public tv?
   • karol 2.1

     25 November 2012 at 12:44 pm

     But will the online videos be available once Citizen A goes to Sky/Face? Sky/Prime doesn’t make any of it’s content available free online, ondemand at the moment.

     I like to watch Al Jazeera news on Triangle, which is likely to go to Face as past of it’s international programmes. AJ does have low resolution live streaming online, so I guess I’ll be watching that eventually.
     • Slartibartfast 2.1.1

       25 November 2012 at 12:53 pm

       Um…. hadn’t thought of that.
       Make sure it’s in your contract Bomber!

       Perhaps we need a PIRATE public broadcasting website.
       Kim.com could help. 🙂
3. Barnsley Bill 3

   25 November 2012 at 11:08 am

   Bomber working for Murdoch, that will be fun to watch
4. higherstandard 4

   25 November 2012 at 11:23 am

   I’m tempted to say that Martyn Bradbury is the ultimate waste of broadcasting monies but when you see the shite that passes for entertainment and attracts NZ on Air funding you’d have to suggest that money spent on him would be good value in comparison.
   • Colonial Viper 4.1

     25 November 2012 at 11:52 am

     even I can appreciate that perspective.
   • Chalupa Batman 4.2

     25 November 2012 at 11:57 am

     But but but hes the voice of the left!
   • karol 4.3

     25 November 2012 at 12:49 pm

     If you’re not that into Bomber, Citizen A also has some excellent commentators like Selwynn Manning. It regularly has Chris Trotter, and sometimes includes people like Julie fairey, Penny Hulse (Auckland deputy mayor), and many other people who are worh watching.

     I also haven’t seen what other Triangle shows are going to Face, but David Beatson is a good journalist – an old style conservative: he is well informed on the topics he covers, and is familiar with diverse views on them. He makes an honest attempt to draw interviewees out, rather than just trying to bludgeon them into saying something that will support his views – unlike several off the mainstream neoliberal journalists.
5. QoT 5

   25 November 2012 at 11:35 am

   I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate live crosses. That is all.

   (Also, great post!)
   • karol 5.1

     25 November 2012 at 12:53 pm

     Thanks, QOT, and CV

     Those live-crosses are a bit of an infotainment con trick – keep changing the scene to make it look like loads are happening. And it helps the journalist to pose as an “expert” – on the spot, as though s/he is in touch with all the action.

     TV One and TV3 news tend to have shorter interviews and reports than MTS – part of the infotainment, and encouragement of short attention spans. I’ve noticed these days that TV One News reports are also shorter than those of TV 3.
6. Rogue Trooper 6

   25 November 2012 at 12:59 pm

   excellent writing in my ‘umble opine
7. Rogue Trooper 7

   25 November 2012 at 1:07 pm

   btw, clever photo shop! “I’ve seen the nights filled with bloodsport and pain…the bodies obtained…
   the bodies obtained…where will it end…where will it end…

   -Atmosphere (don’t walk away in…Silence…don’t walk away)

   It’s not a circus you know son, it’s PG tips
8. xtasy 8

   25 November 2012 at 1:27 pm

   Thanks for this good summary of relevant details to consider re public and private broadcasting.

   As a regular Triangle viewer I am also dismayed about the developments.

   Maori TV only offers some programs that generate my interest, and we know what happened to TVNZ in general.

   This new channel on Sky will never meet the standard of true public broadcasting. The trend worldwide has been towards direct or indirect “commercialisation” – going hand in hand with a total ratings focus, which again determines prospective advertising revenues.

   Bring back something like TVNZ7, and add another truly publicly funded channel to that for a slightly different focus, offering diversity for various interest groups cherishing true, fact based, independent reporting and information!

   I do generally agree with what Nicky Hager has said re this kind of topic.

   Democracy has become a farce in NZ and other “western” and not so western countries, which shows itself in the mediocre, always “balance” seeking (and with that sadly often fact ignoring, apologetic) shows we have for news and current affairs.

   Also 60 minutes is being phased out, and what else is there in current affairs now? Stuff all. The government and so far lacking opposition get away with far too much.
9. Tim 9

   25 November 2012 at 2:13 pm

   I’ve already commented on the latest Citizen A “@” a Tumeke post. If people think Face is going to be “PSB” they’re deluding themselves. There’s a fundamental problem too with JUST relying on social electronic media (such as the internet). For an underclass, that’s going to be a luxury for quite some time as well. The problem though is that its subscribers only ever SOLICIT information (news and current affairs in particular) they prefer.
   The Media Studies students I once tutored not too long ago), I’m sad to say, were heavily reliant on Stuff ffs!. Worse still, most concentrated on entertainment and other bullshit sections of the site. If ever I wanted to wring necks it was then. I kept thinking “open you’re fcking minds!, allow yourselves to encounter and digest things you might encounter UNSOLICITED”. They might even encounter alternative political views but at least 50% had esprayshuns of becoming a Jack Tame or a du Plessey-WhatsherName, or a screaching One Network News Max Headroom doing a live-cross to somewhere on the Desert Road (just because they can). And worse worse still, they progressively became the high-mark achievers in a tertiary system where there was some obvious manipulation at play come moderation time.

   I’m afraid Face (as Bomber Brad says) suggests, might be the least worst thing though, until we actually take back power abd force representative gubbamint.
   • xtasy 9.1

     25 November 2012 at 2:59 pm

     Tim

     You raise serious concerns I have had for quite some time.

     While there are so many praising social media sites, alternative and not so alternative blogs (incl. this one), thinking all this will forever be “independent” of sorts, offer “true” information and grow to compete with and outsmart the commercial and still in part state run media, I think you will have another thing coming!

     We are still in what I would call the “end phase” of the “free” internet adventures, where much content is still freely accessible.

     The mainstream media are already starting to abolish print editions and to instead offer more online services, which in some cases already is only offered on a “user pays” kind of basis.

     This will become the norm soon. The NZ Herald will be on their way to follow the NBR and SST, to make at least a fair bit of content “chargeable”. Users will have to register and establish accounts all over the sites they will use for private and in the end “public” media, or what will be left of it.

     While there will be forums like TS still available, regulation may make life difficult for themselves and their users. Also information will (as it already mostly is) be gathered by the main corporate, private media companies, held by them and only published selectively and for charges.

     So how are the wider public going to get information, access forums for debate and whatever, when so much information will be a chargeable commodity only some will be able to afford? Forums like this often have commenters insert links to other media, to access more information. That will become limited, as information may not be so freely available to all anymore.

     The internet will become predominantly commercially focused, and users will be “hand fed” with bits of information of little substantial value, so “discussions” will tend to become more and more “trivial”. Facebook is thriving on this, but where does the user’s info go, where does the money get made? Some are increasing power, while most will become dumbed down, manipulated users of media and information.

     Indeed there is a HUGE threat for true democracy ahead of us! I also see and meet so many people, not having much of a clue about anything, let alone political debate. It is shocking, but that will be the future.

     John Key and consorts will just “love” this.

     Only widely available, free broadcasting can offer this, as the internet is going to be for “selective” use and consumption, splitting society in part with over-individualised, brainwashed, manipulated idiots (that is most).
     • Tim 9.1.1

       25 November 2012 at 3:19 pm

       Thumbs up. Hopefully I’ll get to reply in proppa-like fashion soon. Can’t right now though.
   • karol 9.2

     25 November 2012 at 3:08 pm

     It is pretty depressing, Tim, that the neoliberal take-over of news media has done it’s job for now and the future.

     Most of those characteristics that Comrie associates with commercial TV news pretty much support neoliberal values.

     And they can be seen in the coverage of politics daily – including the coverage of the Labour Party conference: focused on personalities, dramatic conflicts, officially leaked LP PR, and, most importantly, politics as “strategic (game) framing”.

     It focused little on the background issues: eg concern about the political direction of the LP, the weaknesses in the current leader and failure to be an effective opposition; failure to get opposing policy-positions into the media,etc.

     Thanks for the tip about the comments on Bomber’s blog. I see he commented that Citizen A will continue to be available online after it goes onto Sky.

     http://tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/citizen-with-mike-lee-julie-fairey.html
10. Tim 10

    25 November 2012 at 2:46 pm

    ……just as a post-script, the NeoLibs, their sympathisers, those that have never ever experienced an alternative, the ideologues, the 3rd and 4th Reich will probably NEVER understand the concept of Public Service Broadcasting. They might be fully appreciative of the impact of media, but they won’t ever understand a 4th Estate.
    How do you ever deal with that? I’m not sure a Clare Curran has the capacity even though she might be well on the way. I suspect maintaining “I’m in with the IN crowd” though might just get in the way. It WILL Clare – completely and utterly

    Bullshit and Jellybeans!
    • One Tāne Huna 10.1

      25 November 2012 at 3:03 pm

      “How do you ever deal with that?”

      You don’t. You just win the treasury benches and pass the bloody legislation. Trying to pretend that there are two “sides” to the argument, and that the right’s “opinion” has some merit, a possibility for compromise, is as pointless as the false balance the media is guilty of.

      That’s why the left needs strong articulate voices to challenge the useless backward status quo, instead of begging for crumbs.

      Great article Karol, thanks.
      • Colonial Viper 10.1.1

        25 November 2012 at 3:16 pm

        Hear hear. Have a clear agenda which represents your values, make sure that the benefits go to a very large section of the community, and then push the bloody thing through and make it happen.
      • Macro 10.1.2

        25 November 2012 at 5:14 pm

        Absolutely and totally agree!

        Win the treasury benches and pass the legislation – only way. eg first Labour Govt.

        Yes a great article
11. tc 11

    25 November 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Sky and public broadcasting don’t go in the same sentence. Yet another content filler to lure subscribers over as it should be on freeview. It’ll have it’s moments but ultimately it’s got monopoly boy Fellett yanking the chain should it prove an irritant.

    They saw off SBS in may which came on the free view satellite if you had a box that decoded the 4 channels. It showed what utter crap we get served up here with its comprehensive news, high quality docos and also nailed all the major football events.

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