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Written By: - Date published: 8:52 am, October 21st, 2013 - 66 comments
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Who says the ‘threatening texts’ in the Brown/Slater/Palino came from Brown’s camp? Didn’t the threatening text push Chuang into the affidavit, after weeks of being pressured by Palino advisor, Wewege? Doesn’t that make those texts awful useful for Slater/Palino? Do you believe Palino knew nothing of the affair, as he claims? If the purpose of the affidavit had been to present it to Brown quietly and get him to resign, wouldn’t that be blackmail?

66 comments on “Random impertinent questions”

  1. Dom 1

    Exactly, who’s to say that someone like Stephen Cook did not send the messages?

    You only have to look at his history to see that he is a disgusting no-morals scumbag who could potentially stoop to such levels.

    A sacked and disgraced ex-journalist who was allegedly selling P in the toilets and mates with the Head Hunters – look at the scumbag and disgraced lawyer he hired to represent in him in his employment case, Chris Comeskey, the same one who always rep’d the HH’s.

    Look at what he did to Debbie Gerbich, arguably pushing her to suicide.

    “The New Zealand Herald revealed the identity of Mrs Gerbich on Sunday 31 March after she gave a rival newspaper access to the videotape made in 2001. The Sunday News had published information revealing the existence of the videotape but did not reveal her identity. Mrs Gerbich was reported by the Sunday News to have been devastated after her name was subsequently published by the New Zealand Herald. Mrs Gerbich claimed to have received intimidating emails from New Zealand Herald journalist Steven Cook after she refused to speak with them. Two emails sent from Steven Cooks email account were presented and read out to a reporter on the New Zealand current affairs program Close Up, one of them stated;

    “We can play this one of two ways; either with your co-operation or without. We have made enquiries today into your background and have turned up several interesting leads. And I suggest it’s in your interests to discuss those with me.” “If you think you can continue to hide in the shadows, you’re sadly mistaken.”

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Cook has been using threats to leverage Bevan to leak and now to shut up, given that he has came out claiming she was interested in starring in his new porno sites.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9304633/Reporter-offers-Chuang-porn-star-role

    ” He claims he is “in discussions” with Chuang, who has “taken a very keen interest in it”.

    He also claimed to have naked images of Chuang, but would not say if they had been supplied by her or a third party. He was taking legal advice on the use of the images.

    Chuang said yesterday Cook had suggested to her that she star in a porn movie “re-enactment” of the Len Brown affair, and offered her $50,000 or $25,000 for “soft porn”.

    She said she rejected the offer. She says Cook also suggested she sell her story to a women’s magazine for $5000. “

    • Ray 1.1

      Nothing new that Cook is a sleaze and it is great that certain bloggers make sure everybody does not forget that (it is called attack the messenger, it is just above smear the victim in the handbook))

      But who had the most to loose if all this came out before the election?
      Follow the money

      • Anne 1.1.1

        Comment by Whaleoil yesterday on Kiwiblog.

        And now we have the murky involvement of Hamish Price, no wonder the focus turned to John Palino and Luigi Wewege and my father…Hamish is the unnamed National party source…a man closely connected to Michelle Boag and someone who hates Me, my father and anyone connected to us.

        if Bevan Chuang thought that she was manipulated by Luigi Wewege then she ain’t seen nothing yet as the Boag/Price machine ramps up the smears.

        There is a good chance that we now know the identity of the mystery texter now too…and then the pieces all fit together.

        (my bold and typos corrected)

        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/10/truth_is_stranger_than_fiction.html#comments

        Arguably conclusive that it came from his own side of the political fence. Good on you ‘mystery textor’, you tried to warn them.

        • karol 1.1.1.1

          Hmmm…. so WO is claiming Hamish Price is now “representing” Chuang. He has been discussed in relation to the Palino campaign:

          National Party campaigner and volunteer Hamish Price said that he was approached to write Palino’s campaign policy, but it was only four months out from the election and such a big job that he couldn’t have done it as a volunteer.

          Price did not rate political strategist Luigi Wewege or others involved in the Palino campaign.

          “People who weren’t wanted elsewhere, or had zero campaign experience. No significant current National Party figures went near the campaign, as it was generally known to be entirely dysfunctional.”

          However, campaign manager and former National Party president John Slater hit back and said Palino had been consistent with what he had said all week.

          He said Price was persona non grata after being denied a job with the Palino tea

          Price critical of Wewege here:

          A National Party activist warned John Palino Wewege was “toxic” and he should not go anywhere near him.

          Hamish Price said he warned Palino against the idea of Wewege writing policy.

          “I said Luigi has a reputation for having issues with women, young women in particular.

          “That has been evident in the National Party: he was pulled aside and spoken to about it, his behaviour didn’t change and he was shunted out as a result.”

        • Tiger Mountain 1.1.1.2

          As a rare Kiwibluuurgh! visitor Anne, I was quite taken aback to find various comments labelled “hidden due to low comment rating”, helpfully (grudgingly?) a link to view is provided though. Farrar pretends a degree of bafflement but is really running interference as usual.

          Pallino presents as the kind of guy that carries cash around in brown paper bags.
          “free to drink martinis and watch the sun rise” as Bob Dylan sang and so many Mayors the world over practice. More to play out on this one yet–Mayor Hulse?

      • Flashing Light 1.1.2

        Problem with that analysis, Ray, is that we’re in a zero sum game, in which one side’s loss is the other sides gain. So we might just as well ask “who had the most to gain if all this came out before the election? Follow the money.”

        Absent some sort of confession from the person who sent the text (or some technical wizadry that can link the number used to someone’s credit card, or similar), we’re left speculating … and there’s enough “facts” to “confirm” whatever predisposition anyone brings to that task.

        • Pascal's bookie 1.1.2.1

          Exactly so.

          It’s highly unlikely that we’ll ever know, for sure, who sent the texts, so it comes down to a judgement about who was most likely to have doen it. And past behaviour is pretty bloody relevant to making that judgement.

          I wonder what Aaron Gilmore would have to say about the sort of messages he was recieving for thsoe few days when he was considereing his options, and writing his valedictory speech.

          Anyone can go and read the sorts of things Whale was implying on his blog at the time.

      • Dom 1.1.3

        Follow what money? There is no money trail to follow. The Anonymous texts could be from anyone. All that is out there is innuendo and claims of “Browns” people, or “PR” teams, with no substance. What a croc.

        I suggest you follow the EVIDENCE. That’s what those of us who have worked within law enforcement use before we can accuse someone of something and before they can be found guilty of anything.

        The only evidence so far shows that Bevan was pressured by Palino’s team – ie. the facebook messages from Wewege. These tried to get her to come out before the election was over, these tried to get her to obtain messages from Brown, she stated she texted him repeatedly but he did not contact her back – so again, who has the most to lose – Palino, Wewege & Slater!

        Her statement regarding Palino and potential blackmail/releasing the info appears credible when everything else she has said has stacked up, eg. Brown Affair, Wewege Affair.

        She then commented for Cook and Slater to stop harassing her. Both of whom have a consistent history of harassing and borderline blackmail.

        She may be naive and power hungry, but she doesn’t come across as a liar.

        • bad12 1.1.3.1

          Oh i think you are being far to kind to Ms Chuang, far from calling Her names i have a certain grudging respect for Her and coming from what some might describe as the ‘low’ end of society find that Her actions would fit well among the ‘culture’ of poverty inherent here in the vein of those actions not being totally ‘unusual’,

          Having said all of that tho, you can gauge the true character of Ms Chuang by simply disregarding who She chose to share a bed with and look at Her actions surrounding Her employment,

          Made redundant from one job Ms Chuang happily and illegally accessed information on the work computer system and passed it on to a third party, having been convicted and fined for such criminal behavior Ms Chuang then went on to apply for another position which She was employed at after failing to disclose Her previous conviction,

          Of course when the second employer found out about Her conviction for Her actions with the first, She was sacked for not disclosing that conviction,

          Therein lies the true character of Ms Chuang, as i said i quite like Her,(from what can be inferred by all the publicity), in my little movie scenario, thankfully confined to my own mind, i have a visualized scene where Ms Chunag adds a note to Her diary along the lines of ”God the things a girl has to do in this sleaze-ball town just to get a job”…

          • Chooky 1.1.3.1.1

            bad12 …appreciate your character analysis

            …however was Auckland always a “sleaze-ball town”? I don’t think so…so what has made it this way?

            …..and working class New Zealand women often struggled to get jobs and careers legitimately based on their own education and abilities ( far from sleeping around for favours and acting like a t..t…..and indulging in dubious ‘criminal’ activities to crawl to positions of influence )

            ….this is what the feminist movement was all about … ie equal pay for equal work; equal opportunity; dignity and economic independence… (despite the Catholic Church trying its best to denying NZ women these simple human rights)

            …So do I have a “grudging respect” for Ms Chaung?….nah

            • bad12 1.1.3.1.1.1

              Chooky, aha, but me being a bloke and all that i don’t have the baggage of having to run everything through the filter of ‘feminist correctness’ though we can hardly offer the same defence to Ms Chuang,(shame on you girl for letting the sister’s down),

              Still in my reality i get along fine with young woman such as Ms Chuang mostly i think because it doesn’t take them long to realize that i know them for what they are at heart, ruthless,

              It’s why She has my grudging respect…

              • Chooky

                I take your point…however i would have more respect for a woman/or man who makes their own way based on their own abilities and fairness for the other contenders for the jobs and not cheating or p…….ting themselves.

                btw….I have never been one for “the filter of ‘feminist correctness’ ” just equality and fair play …I am not a prude and realise affairs happen and I make allowances for human frailty and lust….however the further one gets into the details of this the more it stinks imo… (eg the gambling casino convention centre )

                • bad12

                  Lolz, Ms Chuang would seem to be the ‘perfect’ product of Neo-liberalism where anything goes and the only sin is getting caught…

                  • Chooky

                    Yes multi- story brothel in the heart of Auckland does seem to be an apt symbol and monument to Neo-liberalism and Auckland under good Catholic family man Mayor Len Brown

                    …doesnt do much for ordinary Auckland working women however

          • Ant 1.1.3.1.2

            She seems to have the unfortunate combination of political ambition and stupidity, so it makes total sense that she was a tory candidate for the local body elections :cool:

        • Tom Gould 1.1.3.2

          Getting a bit messy for the Tories, so they now need a scapegoat and it looks like Luigi fits the bill. So he’s it. All the Tories are pointing the bone at him now. The rogue loner up to no good. Foreigner who doesn’t get how the game is played over here. Evil manipulator of naïve local Tories with only the best of intentions. But wait, didn’t they …

  2. bad12 3

    Blubber Boy should just face the fact, He thought He was firing the silver bullet into the heart of the Brown Mayoralty and now has to deal with the fact that all’s that emanated from the barrell of His smoking gun was a little flag that said ‘Bang’,

    A mere party joke and as He continues to try and add fuel to a fire which is and will continue to burn the ‘right’, exposing to everyone the deep schisms within National’s rank and file the party joke will fast turn into Blubber Boy himself,

    The insertion of the ‘Boag camp’ into this little farce will ensure that as it staggers along with revelation and counter-revelation it is Slippery’s National Government diligently holding it’s collective nasal protuberance in an effort to stay far far in the distance is splashed from within the puddle of s**t in which Blubber Boy and now the ‘Boag camp’ have chosen to wallow…

  3. Sable 4

    Who cares, they are all idiots.

  4. greywarbler 5

    Farrago is a good word for this. As I said before we spot a pair of scanty panties and reason flies out the window. Everybody talking about how they didn’t know, but someone else did, and accusations who leaked and what.

    Time will settle the dirt, next step is to separate the participants by pouring buckets of water on them, then Len can get some work done, the others can stop mud wrestling. Some bright spark can make a nice amount of money making the first of a series of NZ farces about our goings on, sexual or otherwise. Have a look at French farces for ideas. And we can have one about the French and their petty dejeuner – they sure made a meal of us!We have a rich field of promise for a sharp agile and ironic gaze.

    What about the court martial over a sexual liaison between a Navy bigwig and somebody else. Attempts to hide it, lie about it, threats made about it. Possible jail sentence, demotion. What next. Thank goodness some men and women still like each other so we can have some babies to carry on our poor benighted species. There’s hope that we will reach our exalted human potential soon. And there should be more thought about moral hazards. If the rules make something rigidly forbidden with rigid life-changing punishment and that something is not vile or dangerous or against human rights or destructive then there is over-reaction. There should be a consequence that is not harsh.

    But for things that are vile or dangerous or against human rights or destructive, we are moving closer to needing a return to the death penalty And one thing that will bring such opprobrium will be firebugs. We cannot afford the lives, time, resources we invest in our lives and property to be put wiped out by people who are internally and externally destructive. They are factually out of their mind whether they can be diagnosed under present psychological opinion as insane or not. They are destroyers who can’t be allowed to live, in fact can’t be trusted because of the possibility of them renewing their obssession and requiring expensive and extensive surveillance whether in jail or released. It is a false idea that killing anyone judicially is a bad thing for humanity. They must be tried, but past record and behaviour must also be considered before the verdict, and then if found liable for the fires, humanely put down.

    Now that will be something serious to argue and worry about, forget about people loving each other, or at least going through the motions. They might come to this in Australia as they face severe crises from natural fires without the madness of firebug behaviour.

    • Treetop 5.1

      What is at the top of the pile?

      The small stuff which snowballs or the ugly stuff which has snowballed?

  5. Tracey 6

    This gave me my biggest chuckle of the day. What a hoot.

    “I suggest you follow the EVIDENCE. That’s what those of us who have worked within law enforcement use before we can accuse someone of something and before they can be found guilty of anything.”

    in addition this past week has shown us that while social media like blogs get the scoopy other media are still better at digging behind and below the story.

    I always suspected that right wingers eat their own.

    palino says hes honest cos hes an entrepreneur and tv presenter. In my book two reasons to consider him entirely motivated by self interest and ego. Meeting in a car park ffs.

  6. i still haven’t even seen the issue addressed..

    ..of whether the fact of sky-city casino providing free/on-call fuck-rooms for brown + lover..

    ..and the fact of the casino knowing of/easily able to prove browns’ ongoing/past indiscretions..

    ..if these two facts had any part to play in browns’ wholesale endorsement of the sky-city-casino pokie-deal..?

    ..on the surface..brown appears to have been (literally) in bed with sky-city…

    ..and that fact has a kinda stench about it..

    ..eh..?

    ..and hints of brown being ‘owned’ by sky-city..

    ..eh..?

    ..phillip ure..

    • Lanthanide 7.1

      “..of whether the fact of sky-city casino providing free/on-call fuck-rooms for brown + lover..

      ..and the fact of the casino knowing of/easily able to prove browns’ ongoing/past indiscretions..”

      If you’ve got any references for them, I’d like to see them.

      As far as I have heard, Len Brown personally paid for all expenses during his affair; he didn’t take gifts and he didn’t use council money.

      • phillip ure 7.1.1

        @lanthanide..

        ..there are reports of chuang referring to this ‘norm’..

        ..phillip ure..

        • Tim 7.1.1.1

          Not that long ago, Hillary Clinton tried to invent a RESET button.
          Didn’t seem to work that well. I’m thinking that piece of blubber and definition of ‘ugly’ is a desperately seeking Susan in search of a RESET right about now. (Elsewhere – it’s known as a slug, or even a Slator)

          Oh dear! How sad!,

          If I were them, I’d try pushing it harder. The alternatives for the gnats really aren’t that pretty. (not that it’s going to work – but it’d be nice if they actually made an effort, although I’m picking an amply laden arse going by the name of Judith, and plied with Bellamy’s best offerings, is busy sitting on it).

      • thatguynz 7.1.2

        Kinda not really the point Lanth. As they say, knowledge is power so Skycity knowing that the mayor may or may not have entertained one or more sexual partners in their hotel would certainly be of use to a less scrupulous operator – irrespective of whether the room was comped or not.

        • Lanthanide 7.1.2.1

          Sure, I take the point, I’m just asking for evidence on the two statements phillip made. One is that the rooms were comped, and the second that SkyCity knew what was going on.

  7. aerobubble 8

    Random question.

    Banks faced the police, but on the old local government law, because even though Auckland is a huge billion dollar entity, it still under the same laws as a small west coast council. and that’s the rib, Banks was running for Mayor not for Parliament.

    So that got me thinking, Browns not the first Mayor to have a mistress? Get up to questionable practices, he just happens to be Mayor of Auckland rather than say Laws or Parker who would not be such high profile.

    For to suggest that a Mayor got a freebie with his Mistress would not be a crime take to court anywhere else. It would have been seen for what it is, the outing itself would be punishment enough to the career.

    Now the hilarious, first I thought Slater was a moron, outing this right after an election when nobody wanted to spend up for a new one. But it turns out that NZ law is so fracked that instead of the wife taking up the seat vacated by the disgraced or dead Mayor, the second place contender is. Who thought that up, are they trying to destabilize government? If there is an incentive to knock the Mayor off, low life people invariable attempt to. It would have been astonishing had Brown stood down and the Americian take charge, the outrage could have possibly knocked any chance Key had of re-election, which isn’t much I gather.

    • Lanthanide 8.1

      ?

      Is it the case the second-place winner takes the job, because I haven’t seen that anywhere?

      Wouldn’t it be the deputy mayor, as least temporarily until a new election was called?

      Furthermore, remember that Parliament is sovereign, and in an unusual case such as this, could easily pass legislation for new elections, regardless of what existing law said, to avoid an unpalatable outcome such as the 2nd-place winner getting the job.

      • aerobubble 8.1.1

        They seriously considered this possible on Q&A, starting with Boag on the panel. sorry, if they are wrong it would not suprise me, it is after all a rightwing biased TV political show.

        Yes, it could be the deputy… …but wait… …doesn’t the deputy get elected by the council when it sits? As for the wife, in the US the spouse of a congress person takes their seat.

        Only a dumb law would incentivize the ousting of a duly elected winner.

        • Lanthanide 8.1.1.1

          Len hasn’t actually been sworn in yet, which might be where this potential “runner-up wins the race” stuff is coming from.

          For example, if the winner of a mayoral election were to die before being sworn in, going with the runner-up might be a reasonable action to take.

          • karol 8.1.1.1.1

            Graeme Edgeler has said such things trigger a by election.

          • aerobubble 8.1.1.1.2

            No, I don’t agree, if the runner up gets a quarter of the votes while the winner takes over 50%, then they don’t have a mandate and the way the auckland council is, the obvious solution would be for the council to elect an acting Mayor from their number and not have the second place even in the building (EVER). Since the winner must win the majority of the votes.

        • Chris 8.1.1.2

          Boag got it wrong.

          I read a post from Graeme Edgler (sp) that said if the mayor elect cannot take up office before the swearing in that a new election must be held.

          I will try to find the link and post shortly

          • Chris 8.1.1.2.1

            http://publicaddress.net/legalbeagle/

            Re Mayoral resignations

          • Treetop 8.1.1.2.2

            Boag also said on Q & A that all gifts have to be declared e.g. gift of a room compliments of Sky City.

            • Lanthanide 8.1.1.2.2.1

              Yes, and Len would have known this, hence why he would have paid for everything himself.

              • Treetop

                It has been reported that at times the room was free.

                I heard what Brown said earlier in the day that he paid.

                Two versions which one is right?

                Skycity would probably back Brown and not Chuang because Skycity have the most to gain. (They would want Brown on their side).

                Were Brown smart he would not have used a room at Skycity, because then they would have something over him. Possibly thought that he would not be detected in a busy hotel.

                It has got to the stage where so much is being said (he said, she said and alliances) that it is hard to know who is telling the actual truth.

                As I said the other day, had Chuang been elected, those trying to out Brown would also out Chuang. I have a lot of understanding for her as she has been manipulated the most.

                • McFlock

                  well, I guess that’s what an investigation is for.

                  • Treetop

                    I really do not think that an investigation is going to cut it, unless it is backed up with evidence.

                    Looked for an article on the use of hotel rooms, who tells the best spin wins.

                    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?_id=1&object=11141904

                    Three different hotels are named, but I still stand by saying “Were Brown smart he would not have used a room at Skycity,…”

                    • McFlock

                      I really do not think that an investigation is going to cut it, unless it is backed up with evidence.

                      Yes, that is what distinguishes an investigation from bulldust.
                      For example, they might ask Brown to sign a release for the private info re:billing from the relevant hotels, if that were an issue. Not something I would expect to be on public record (although the junior slater wouldn’t be above forging one to make brown look bad, in my opinion).

                • wtl

                  It has been reported that at times the room was free.

                  What exactly is the source for this? Because I have not seen any credible information that this is the case, and it mainly seems to be something being spread by nutty right wing bloggers and commenters.

                  Both Bevan Chuang and Len Brown have stated the the rooms were paid for.

                  • Treetop

                    The link you have supplied is the link I supplied. Problem with the link from me.

                    Paragraph 2
                    “However she believed that some of the rooms he booked for the pair were offered free of charge by hotel managers.”

                    To clear this up verification will need to be provided.

                    Paragraph 5
                    “A spokes woman for the Hilton said the hotel would not give complimentary rooms to Mr Brown, while spokes woman for SkyCity and the Langham hotels would not comment on guests for privacy reasons.”

                    It just takes one room to be a gift which has not been declared to be misleading.

                    The thing that I am most interested in is what was said in July this year, the only time Chuang and Brown were intimate this year and the relationship had soured by this time.

                    Was some sort of deal struck between them?

  8. Natwest 9

    You can “spin” it however you like, but it will not deflect away from the FACT – loser Len has been running one up a staff member for the past 2 years (and she won’t be the only one – it will all come out eventually). Conflict of interest – job promotion for jollies. He’s nothing but a dirty little, lying piece of scum. I feel so sorry for his wife and daughters – what an embarrasing humiliation for his family. If he had once ounce of dignity he would resign immediately.

    • bad12 9.1

      Sorry to burst your bubble there Shatwest but Ms Chuang was not a Council employee for two years, Len Brown won the Mayoralty and is going no place and even should He resign the ‘polls’ show that He would simply be elected by the people of Auckland again,

      Far from loser Len as you put it, more like Landslide Len as far as the wing-nuts in Auckland are concerned,

      Your slander of Brown by insinuating that He has been involved in other relationships while the Mayor is noted, if you have no proof of such you should shut your hole…

    • Chris 9.2

      How come you can in one breath call Len Brown “He’s nothing but a dirty little, lying piece of scum”

      and

      In the next breath you are ” I feel so sorry for his wife and daughters – what an embarrasing humiliation for his family.”

      How do you justify your ranting which is definitely rubbing the salt in the wounds of Len’s family.

      Surely if you felt sorry for someone you would go out of your way to keep schtum instead of repeating the vitriole

  9. i am also confused by contending experts..

    ..mccarten on telly yesterday morn claimed the timing of this was because if brown could be forced to resign in the week before election and swearing in..

    ..that palino would get the gong…

    ..(seems to make sense..eh..?..and fits the conspiracy-theories like a glove..

    ..yet hooten on nat-rad..(backed by williams..)..

    ..said mccarten has got it wrong..and that that section of the law only applies to councillors..should one drop off the twig/whatever during that gap..

    ..if it is a mayor..this law does not apply…a bye-election is held..

    ..and of the two..hootens’ take hangs together best for me..

    ..as it would seem mccarten possibly only read half of the law..

    ..and hooten raises the hilarious possibility…

    ..that the/any rightwing conspirators made that same law miss-reading mistake mccarten clearly did..

    ..and that their whole plan (if you believe chuangs’ relating of palinos’ timing-urgings to her in that car-park..late that nite..and why wouldn’t we/you..?..)

    ..their whole plan was a total monumental-clusterfuck/screw-up..

    ..from day/square one..

    ..all predicated on someones’ miss-reading of a law..

    ..and i hafta confess..

    ..i find that possiblity fucken hilarious..

    ..and i so so hope that is the way it is..

    ..eh..?

    ..the humour to be wrung from this..

    ..would give us all a well-needed feelgood-shot..

    ..(well..most of us..anyway..)

    ..and if so…

    ..plse plse tell us who the face-palming idiot was who came up with this wheeze of an idea/plan..?

    ..in the first place..?

    ..and no..the idiots who played along..get no credit..

    ..eh..?

    ..we need to know who to direct our laughs at..

    ..eh..?

    ..phillip ure..

  10. Pascal's bookie 11

    Russell Brown has seen the Chuang affidavit the Herald has been basing its stories on:

    http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/moving-right-along-1/

    There’s more in it than has been reported so far, which I suspect is partly because she directly attributes words to both Slater and Palino that could constitute grounds for a criminal prosecution. They have both denied its contents. Stephen Cook’s she-was-totally-up-for-it version of his interactions with Chuang is contradicted by her account of him demanding to know only the most salacious detals: how was Brown in bed? What’s his penis size? Journalists have been left with a situation in which no one can truly be regarded as reliable witness.

  11. Chooky 12

    To me Ad’s recent post is of concern

    …… ie why are so many highly placed executives of the Auckland Council resigning, resigned or possibly resigning….surely this indicates poor top governance, management or morale.

    (See post below)

    Ad 19
    20 October 2013 at 7:22 am

    ……..We need to get back to debating the agenda of the Council. At the moment, the Council will lose its Chief Executive within months, has lost its Head of Communications, head of Legal, and (if a successful CE candidate) their Chief Financial Officer. It is highly likely to lose more. Like it or not, the staff at Council are a whole lot more powerful than these politicians who meet very occasionally.

    We also currently have a Council with no Committee structure, no Committee delegations, and no functioning democracy at all. Five of the new Council are brand new and either have no Council experience or none playing at this level.

    This is for steering an entity far larger in its assets than Fonterra.

    We have a Unitary Plan preparing for public hearings which the Government has determining it will select the Commissioners for.

    We have Cabinet decisions coming down the pipeline that will currently greatly expand motorway investment and do very little for public transport.

    You people are obsessed with the media when the policy content and all the other players underneath the Council that will make it happen are far more at risk. Change your viewfinder quickly.

  12. captain hook 13

    wailoil scumblog slater is just jealous that len got to hide the sausage while he has to pay for it and even then they insist that the lights be turned off.

  13. Natwest 14

    ‘Excusers” and hypoctites to boot. Excussing Browns behaviour just endorses to him that it’s okay to abuse his position of office. Ironic how the left bayed for Worth and Gilmores blood when they stepped out of line, but it’s different when one of its own is in the firing line.

    • framu 14.1

      OK – this one has been dealt with already but

      1) point out where people are saying its fine len had an affair
      2) In richard worths case there was actual legal processes underway – as opposed to a bunch of media stories

      so far from what you paint it as – thats two comments in this one thread where youve thrown your weight around and generally put across the impression that your not that smart. Care to prove the perception incorrect?

      You do realise that lens affiar and the subsequent goings on are actually two distinct things and as such can be talked about separately dont you?

    • gobsmacked 14.2

      Six wrongs in three sentences. Well done.

      Reading homework – the case of Richard Worth, the left’s view of Brown, the definition of “abuse”, etc, etc. Enjoy.

    • bad12 14.3

      Shitnest, having an affair is not an abuse of office, we have moved on from Victorian era moral rigor and most of us consider what goes on in the bed of any particular politician highly un-note-worthy from a moral position,(although the comic dimensions of such may reach epic proportions)…

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 14.4

      Poor wickle Natwest, the nasty smear campaign isn’t turning out the way they wanted.

      Diddums.

    • amirite 14.5

      Apart from the table, a couple of walls and a couch in the office being ábused’ I don”t think he held a gun to her head to get into her panties . Yes he was a stupid dickhead but by no means the first or the last politician to cheat on his wife with a younger model. And when I listen to the likes of Rodney Hide lecturing everyone on morality I just feel an urge to barf.

  14. gobsmacked 15

    This is quite funny … journo tries to keep story going, Twitter says “please shut up now”:

    https://twitter.com/BernardOrsman/status/392100166712307712

    Same on Radio Live – Grubby Garner says “Issues! Issues!”, and everyone else says “give it up, it’s over”. It’s not been Duncan’s finest hour, channeling Slater and Cook last week, giving them free hits, and now he looks pretty stupid. Shame.

  15. Ron 16

    Why on earth has no one asked what the cellphone number of the anonymous text is.
    Even if it was a throw away phone having the number would be interesting especially if its still hot.
    Reporter after reporter make big of the so called anonymous texts but never ask what the cell number is. Get the number put it out to the people and who knows we might just be able to track it.
    Is this just inability of our media journalists to think or do they have a reason fro not wanting us to know

  16. Philgwellington Wellington 17

    Xox
    Can’t we get JK and the GCSB, SIS, NSA, onto this and fill in the gaps in the story?

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    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Women’s group heartened by response to promo girls
    The National Council of Women of New Zealand is heartened by the strong response to the inappropriate use of bikini-clad girls at a technology expo....
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Owen interviews Jim Anderton, Helen Kelly and Selwyn Pellet
    Lisa Owen interviews Jim Anderton, Helen Kelly and Selwyn Pellet ___________________________________________ The Nation on TV3, 9.30am Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Check us out online , on Facebook or on Twitter . Tell us what you think at thenation@mediaworks.co.nz or text...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Owen interviews Mark Boyd, Jonathan Milne and John Minto
    Lisa Owen interviews Mark Boyd, Jonathan Milne and John Minto ___________________________________________ The Nation on TV3, 9.30am Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Check us out online , on Facebook or on Twitter . Tell us what you think at thenation@mediaworks.co.nz or text...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Prime Time on Labour
    Mike Smith - former General Secretary of the NZ Labour Party Jim McAloon, Assoc Prof, Victoria University of Wellington History Department (currently writing official history of the Labour Party) Rob Salmond, consultant to Labour Leader's office and...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Korero Mai Ki Ahau – Saturday 27 & Sunday 28 September 2014
    Saturday 27 September 2014 | One million people voted for National in last week’s election. Another million didn’t vote at all. In Kia Korero Mai this week, Eru Morgan talks to political commentator Henare Kingi about the figures and what...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • On The Nation this weekend: Labour, National, The Media
    This weekend on The Nation… Labour’s had its worst election result in 92 years, so what happens next? We’ll talk to former Labour president Jim Anderton, CTU president Helen Kelly, and tech entrepreneur and past donor Selwyn Pellett about the...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Red Cross, Pacific leaders prepare for cyclone season
    The New Zealand Red Cross Pacific Advisory Group, met for the first time this week, to develop a disaster response plan for the upcoming Pacific cyclone season, which is forecast to be severe....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
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