Written By: - Date published: 8:30 pm, February 28th, 2009 - 66 comments
Categories: Media -
Tags: fran o'sullivan
Fran, you’re pretty smart, you can do maths, and you understand the economy. You’re ideology is fundamentally flawed but at least you’ve got the analytical tools.
So, how can you go and write something like this “It can cut a number of Labour’s own expensive prior election bribes, like making student loans interest-free.”
Fran, think about the macroeconomics. The only sensible economic policy at the moment is the one that every other country expect New Zealand is pursuing. That is, inject demand into the economy as an adrenaline shot to break the downward cycle and restore confidence, which then becomes self-sustaining. Ending interest-free loans will cause the hundreds of thousands of people of my generation to prioritise paying back the loan to avoid the interest costs. That will result in us decreasing our consumer demand. That’s de-stimulatory, Fran, it is pro-recessionary. And all so the Government could save a few million of the billions it will have to borrow anyway. That’s just dumb.
And, Fran, you’re far smarter than that.
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Correction redbaiter, this was a thread on education. Now, it’s a thread about you. Take a long look at your language and approach to others. In one word, disgraceful.
My vote is to ban you permanently.
yeah, I edge that way too. It’s not necessarily the content of Reddy’s comments, it’s the quantity and how he turns every thread into a discussion about him.
I think university education is important, and of course, it leads to higher wages. These days, a university education is all but crucial to a successful career in a number of fields – let alone the lawyers, doctors and accountants etc that require even higher education. University graduates are much more likely to earn more than the average wage.
The problem with the leftist argument appears to be that while arguing for a universal university education, many are arguing (on this website anyway) that the well off are rich pricks with zero social conscience who hate the poor. I can’t understand how you can argue for the means, but argue against the ends the means create. We want you to have an education, but if you earn more than X amount you are probably an elitist rich prick who hates the poor.
Education is surely emancipation, shouldn’t we be celebrating success and aspiration? Do you REALLY think every successful person wants to see working class people deprived of education and opportunity? After all, New Zealand is a changing society. The number in the “middle” classes has surely grown over the last 25 years. Many of today’s high flyers will have come from working class roots. You don’t have to be born rich to stay rich, nor does being poor mean you are poor forever. This is a flaw in the leftist theory to me, at least in the NZ context. Growing up, NZers are told of everything they can achieve – and that doesn’t matter what decile school you are at.
I’ve probably just taken this the wrong way, but it would be great is someone could explain to me the dichotomy in that theory. For what it’s worth, I’m a university graduate earning less than the average wage.
Sorry – I should have clarified that I can’t understand how one can argue for more university education but make judgements reagarding any financial success that is the outcome…. I wasn’t arguing anyone who goes to university immediately becomes a “rich prick” or making any sweeping judgements!
“how he turns every thread into a discussion about him.”
Except I don’t. Read the thread for chrissakes. There’s half a dozen posts here that saying nothing about interest on student loans but are totally focused on Redbaiter. Its the left who are so weirdly obsessed. Tell them to focus on the issue or STFU. As you have once already IIRC.
“Correction redbaiter, this was a thread on education. Now, it’s a thread about you.”
..and if it is, its because you with your arrogant codescending compulsion to control, made it so. Two posts so far and not a word on the issue.
So, this guy turns up to a pot luck dinner and starts wanking into the butter chicken.
Everyone gets all up in in face and calling him names and shit.
Some people start getting a bit tempted towards a bit of the old violence, others reckon the guy should just fuck off so the rest of the peeps can try and recover something out of the evening. Others still are more fixated on who this tosser is, why is he here, and why the fuck is he spilling his worthless seed into what would otherwise have been a nourishing and tasty meal.
If the onanistic reprobate then starts crying and whinging that everyone should “Stop talking about me and just have a bloody bowl of curry for chrissake”, I reckon the gathering is justified in lynching his arse, or at the very least, dis-inviting the boring, self-centered, whiney arsed fool on a more or less permanent basis.
A parable of excellence! Hilarious Pascal and so apt!
hahahahaha !! I would like to take the credit for so successfully winding up old frothy chops red baiter in this thread. You know you’ve really got him on the hook when he starts spewing lines like: “suffocating left wing totalitarianism” and “repugnant Stal*n*st evil”.
Can’t you just see him seething at his pc? eyes bloodshot, veins popping out on his forehead, angry spittle jettisons from his slavering lips as he relentlessy mashs the keyboard with stubby violent fingers.
The truth is he serves as a useful reminder of just how completely nutty those on the far right can be.
“The truth is he serves as a useful reminder of just how completely nutty those on the far right can be.”
About as nutty as those on the far left methinks.
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Don’t worry losers, I’d be frustrated too if I couldn’t answer a simple question like why apprentices should pay the interest on loans taken out by their intellectual inferiors.
fapp fapp fapp pfft pfft pfft.
Redbaiter: Two posts on education, and then look what happens. One post by you about you, and it’s all on again.
Cut back the losers, inferiors, etc etc stuff, before you FC someone and get banned. That’s what I reckon.
“Redbaiter: Two posts on education,”
That’s three from you and all on Redbaiter. Go away bore, I’ve had condescending sermonising small minded dickwads like you hounding me for years. I’m bullet proof. Address the issue or STFU.
Redbaiter: This will be the last from me on this thread, I think you have got the message. But don’t worry, I’ll be checking the others to see if you are behaving yourself. If not, believe me, there will be more from me on you.
I have a real appetite for tasks like this, and I imagine the moderators need the help.
Remember, stay on topic by showing some respect and not dragging the debate down to a slanging match. That way you’ll have a better chance of dodging the bullets and staying alive.
[lprent: The moderators are perfectly capable of moderating the site. Beware than I am a jealous BOFH, and a zealot on protecting the rights in the system (ie mostly mine, the moderators, and writers). I think that you're presuming a bit more that you can actually claim. ]
Do you fire bullets at each other at this blog? Staying alive was a Bee Gees song that Heather plays all the time.
Is it that you can’t see you’ve been nailed RB, or is it that you just can’t let go?
Poor sad man.
“Is it that you can’t see you’ve been nailed RB,”
No I can’t see that Sprout. As usual all I see is a horde of leftists asserting it, and given how objective that judgment would be, I think its shows mental weakness on your behalf to think it even remotely worthy of posting here.
Again, if you can get over the arrogant condescending lectures, and the threats, and the worthless judgments-
Anyone ready to tell me why apprentices should pay the interest on the loans of university students who are probably their intellectual inferior?
Thanks for that confirmation Redbaited.
All that remains to be clarified now is why you dwell where you are unwelcome.
Do you see yourself as a saviour of lost souls?
[lprent: He has as much right to be here as anyone else - at least if he stays within the moderating bounds]
Anyone ready to tell me why apprentices should pay the interest on the loans of university students?
You seem to forget that most apprentices also have a polytech study component of their apprenticeship, and likely also end up with one of those interest free student loans you are getting so anxious about.
Almost every trade, technical specialty, or profession,demands some form of tertiary study these days. It’s far from just University Students who have student loans.