web analytics

Remember this?

Written By: - Date published: 10:49 am, December 1st, 2009 - 22 comments
Categories: history, political education - Tags: , ,

Pascal’s Bookie dug up this classic in the comments:

Congratulations…. You always knew that politics would be exciting, but I guess that neither of us thought that it would get quite this exciting quite so soon.

Don, I wish you all the very best I am confident of your capacity to lead National and ultimately the country. And I have no doubt that the country needs the kind of clear, radical leadership that I am sure you are keen to bring.

I’m less certain that the country yet appreciates that need. The task now is to build the case for change without either alienating the electorate or so compromising your manifesto that the mandate you ultimately secure isn’t worth having. This is by no means an easy and certainly not a quick task.

Kindest regards always, David C.*

That’s David Caygill, the “former Labour cabinet minister” Brash is using to make out like his 2025 Taskforce isn’t just a bunch of discredited New Right ideologues unable to move beyond the failed policies of the 80s and 90s.

Really, Don, you’ll have to try harder than that.

Speaking of which, who else thinks Key should recognise his 2025 Taskforce is a fiasco and a waste of taxpayers’ money, sack the lot of them and start again?

We already know what Brash and Caygill think, they’ve been saying the same thing for 25 years. Let’s hear from some different voices for a change, hell, we might even get some ideas we can actually use.

* The Hollow Men, page 55.

[You can find out more about Caygill’s sorry record as Minister of Finance in Alister Barry’s Someone Else’s Country, which is available free on the NZ on Screen website.]

22 comments on “Remember this?”

  1. IrishBill 1

    The travesty is that Caygill is still a Labour party member and still has input into decisions made by the party’s property trust.

    I’d suggest that a clear signal from Labour that it had put the dark neo-liberal days behind it would be to expel him from the party.

    I also suggest that emailing phil.goff@parliament.govt.nz asking for this to happen might be a good idea.

  2. andy 2

    Don’t the Business Round Table do these type of ‘Productivity’ reports for cheap?

    Its not very efficient in market terms to pay these guys $500k to get the same result as the $30 + GST version.

    http://www.nzbr.org.nz/topic.asp?Topic=EconomicReform

  3. vto 3

    remember? remember?

    Ok then, lets remember. The ‘someone elses country’ vid is a good starting point as it describes very exactly the date at which things changed for the worse, in the eyes of the standardites. Yes.

    So Muldoon it is then. Eighties and nineties were all wrong. Back to Muldoon policies.

    ha ha ha ha ha. fools.

    sheesh, there really are a lot of massive support columns missing to the endless half-cocked posts on this whole subject here. duh.

    • Daveo 3.1

      False dichotomy. The left doesn’t want a return to Muldoonism, but then that’s not the only alternative to the New Right.

    • IrishBill 3.2

      That’s right vto we can choose between reckless neo-liberalism or authoritarian conservatism. They’re the only two ways of governing in NZ. Yup.

    • vto 3.3

      Just following the ‘remember’ title.. It should certainly be remembered what NZ faced at that time when trying to evaulate things now. It should also be remembered that it was Labour that did all of that.

      And I would suggest they did it because of their concern for their fellow man in the street. Lange, Douglas, Prebble, Caygill, Clark, Cullen.. they all followed these policies because they considered that they would help the average person. (Now of course the predictable screams will launch forth about conspiracies with their ‘rich business mates’ and the like. poppycock).

      Whenever Prebble or Douglas etc talk about these policies they have a strong conviction that these type of policies will work. They also always relate it back to the benefit to the manwoman in the street. Those people were left wing. I think they still are. Perhaps it is you guys on the current left that have no new ideas and simply keep regurgitating the same old disproven beliefs and policies. For a lot longer than 25 years. Wake up folks and come up with something new then. Not the same old failed policies of the typical left – which is all I ever see on here.

      Apply your own post to your own brainwaves mr zet.

      • Draco T Bastard 3.3.1

        No, now it’s pointed out that the policies of the last 4 decades are all BS and that we should be looking for a better way. Helen Clark tried with her Third Way unfortunately that’s still mired in the failure that is capitalism and so will never work.

        • vto 3.3.1.1

          How can they be BS when they worked (as much as they could given their relatiovely poor implementation)?

          Helen Clark tried with a third way? What? She tried nuffink. Sat on her tuffet eating her curds and whey.

          What did she try Draco? What big efforts did she make to achieve top half OECD by 2011? (which is 13 months away now…)

          • Draco T Bastard 3.3.1.1.1

            They’re BS and don’t work because they’re based upon a theory that assumes away reality and uses failed mathematics.

            Third Way

            She took the edges off the prevailing neo-liberal paradigm.

            • vto 3.3.1.1.1.1

              That link doesn’t explain what she did as part of the ‘third’ way or to try and reach top half OECD by the end of next year.

              What specifically did she do?

              This post after all is about coming up with new approaches. The left doesn’t have any new ideas and hasn’t since, well, probably 1917.

            • Draco T Bastard 3.3.1.1.1.2

              The link wasn’t supposed to explain what she did, it was supposed to give you some indication of the ideology that she was following and therefore be able to recognise what she did yourself.

            • vto 3.3.1.1.1.3

              How can she have followed an ideology when she didn’t do anything? Her stated aim of top half OECD was complete and utter political bullshit and lies. Clark was a bullshitter. Just like some in the current govt.

              Look, your failure to provide some new ideas fits exactly with this post.

              The left has no new ideas.

  4. Tim Ellis 4

    There’s also a clip of Mr Goff shouting at a protester about benefit reform in that documentary.

    Mr Caygill was the last Labour Government’s Mr Fixit in electricity.

    • felix 4.1

      Tim, is Mr Caygill a hard-right neoliberal or not?

      • Tim Ellis 4.1.1

        I don’t know Felix, but if he is I wonder why he’s still in the Labour Party if that’s the case. I doubt he was more of a hard right neo liberal than Mr Goff was in the fourth labour government. Also I wonder why Labour made him the Mr Fixit man of the electricity industry if he was.

        Let’s see some of Labour’s appointments for him:

        1. Chaired ministerial inquiry into the electricity industry.
        2. Appointed to Electricity Commission
        3. Made Chairman of Electricity Commission
        4. Appointed to EECA board
        5. Appointed deputy chair of commerce commission

        • felix 4.1.1.1

          You’re arguing that one with yourself, Tim.

          Do you agree that Caygill is a hard-right neoliberal?

          Yes or no, Tim.

          • Tim Ellis 4.1.1.1.1

            I don’t know Felix. Asking the same question over and over won’t get you the response that you want. It doesn’t seem likely to me that Labour would have appointed a hard right neoliberal to so many key positions in the last government, so on balance I would suggest not.

            The only thing I have to judge on is his time as a Labour Minister, when he was no more hard right than Mr Goff was at that time.

            • felix 4.1.1.1.1.1

              Then show an example of a quote from Caygill on economics which couldn’t be classified as hard right neoliberalism.

              Show an example of him taking a position against the likes of Brash.

              Show him ever disagreeing with anything of the sort.

              If what you’ve said has any merit whatsoever it should be very, very easy for you to do so.

              Tick tock.

            • Daveo 4.1.1.1.1.2

              Weird, that came up as someone else who shares my network.

              Anyway, my point is we all know Goff was a right-winger and has now changed his views. That doesn’t change anything, tt’s just a transparent attempt on your part to wedge.

              The evidence shows Caygill still holds his neoliberal views from his time as finance minister. We see it in the Brash letter, we see it in the 2025 taskforce.

              There’s no argument there, and I don’t know who you think you’re fooling. The fact his personal relationships have secured him Labour appointments doesn’t change that.

              [lprent: Weird, that came up as someone else who shares my network.

              There has been a problem with cookies caching in some proxy servers. It is a pain and I’ve tried a number of ways to resolve it. Obviously without success to date. Starts looking for the next hack to try. ]

            • quenchino 4.1.1.1.1.3

              Goff’s not so much a right winger, as relatively conservative on left liberal/ identity issues. Whether he can reclaim the Labour Party’s working/middle class roots as an economically socialist party remains to be seen.

    • Daveo 4.2

      Yeah, but Goff’s moved away from his days of neoliberal excess. I don’t see Caygill doing the same, in fact judging from this report he’s only got worse.

      I see you keep bringing up the fact Labour has appointed Caygill to stuff. Presumably this is due to personal relationships and Caygill knowing where the bodies are buried.

      But in terms of the current argument, so what? None of that changes the fact he’s a fringe neoliberal ideologue, even if for god knows what reason he still sends the Labour Party his $15 a year.

  5. d14 5

    It is clear that there was an editing error in the title.
    It was meant to be 1995 Taskforce.

Links to post

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Brexit vote costs NZ effective EU voice
    Despite being extremely close the result of the referendum in Britain reflects the majority voice, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “While we respect the decision to leave the EU, it goes without saying the move will usher in ...
    8 hours ago
  • Pasifika Education Centre doomed
    The Pasifika Education Centre appears doomed to close down this December, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio  “In a written question I asked the Minister whether he would put a bid in for more money. His answer ...
    14 hours ago
  • Onetai Station review a shameful whitewash
    A report released today on the Overseas Investment Office’s (OIO) good character test is a whitewash that does nothing to improve New Zealand’s overseas investment regime, says Labour’s Land Information spokesperson David Cunliffe. “The review of the good character test ...
    15 hours ago
  • We need a national strategy to end homelessness now
    Long before I entered Parliament, housing and homelessness were issues dear to my heart. I know from personal experience just how hard it is to find an affordable home in Auckland. In my maiden speech, I talked about how when ...
    GreensBy Marama Davidson
    19 hours ago
  • Capital feels a chill economic wind
      Wellington is on the cusp of recession with a sharp fall in economic confidence in the latest Westpac McDermott Miller confidence survey, says Labour’s Regional Development spokesperson David Clark.  “Economic confidence amongst Wellingtonians has dropped 12% in the past ...
    22 hours ago
  • Dive school rort took six years to dredge up
    News that yet another private training establishment (PTE) has rorted the Government’s tertiary funding system since 2009 shows that Steven Joyce has no control of the sector, says Labour’s Associate Education (Tertiary) spokesperson David Cunliffe. “Like Agribusiness Training and Taratahi, ...
    2 days ago
  • National’s housing crisis hitting renters hard
    National’s ongoing housing crisis is causing massive rental increases, with Auckland renters being hit the hardest, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    2 days ago
  • A Day with the PSA
    This week, along with Labour MP Kris Faafoi, I accepted an invitation to spend a day working alongside the good folk at the Public Service Association in Wellington. As the Workplace Relations and Safety spokesperson for the Greens, I was ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    2 days ago
  • A Day with the PSA
    This week, along with Labour MP Kris Faafoi, I accepted an invitation to spend a day working alongside the good folk at the Public Service Association in Wellington. As the Workplace Relations and Safety spokesperson for the Greens, I was ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    2 days ago
  • Government holds Northland back
    New information shows Northland remains the most economically depressed region in New Zealand, says Labour’s Regional Development spokesperson David Clark. “The latest Westpac McDermott Miller regional survey found that more Northlanders believe their local economy will deteriorate this year than ...
    2 days ago
  • Rebstock report into MFAT leaks a disgrace
    An Ombudsman’s report on the Paul Rebstock investigation into MFAT leaks shows the two diplomats at the centre of the case were treated disgracefully, says Labour’s State Services spokesperson Kris Faafoi.  “The Ombudsman says one of the diplomats Derek Leask ...
    2 days ago
  • More families forced to turn to food banks for meals
    Increasing numbers of families are having to go to food banks just to put a meal on the table, according to a new report that should shame the Government into action, says Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni. ...
    2 days ago
  • We have a housing emergency in New Zealand
    Auckland, New Zealand, where house prices have risen 20 percent in the last year alone We have a housing emergency in New Zealand.  Like many people we are ashamed and angry that in a wealthy country like ours, we have ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    2 days ago
  • We have a housing emergency in New Zealand
    Auckland, New Zealand, where house prices have risen 20 percent in the last year alone We have a housing emergency in New Zealand.  Like many people we are ashamed and angry that in a wealthy country like ours, we have ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    2 days ago
  • Aussie reforms signal trouble ahead for school funding plan
    Plans by the Government to return to bulk funding are likely to see increased class sizes and schools most in need missing out on much-needed resources, Labour’s Acting Education spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The signaled return to bulk funding is ...
    3 days ago
  • Toxic Sites – the down low on the go slow
    In  2011, I negotiated an agreement with the National Government to advance work on cleaning up contaminated sites across the country. This included establishing a National Register of the ten worst sites where the creators of the problem could not ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    3 days ago
  • Aucklanders face new motorway tax of up to $2500 a year
    The Government wants to tax Aucklanders thousands of dollars a year just to use the motorway network, says Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Officials estimate the average city commute is 11.8km. This means for the average Aucklander commuting five ...
    3 days ago
  • 15 corrupt bank managers identified in student fraud
    New information show 15 bank managers in India have been identified by Immigration New Zealand as presenting fraudulent documents on behalf of foreign students studying here, Labour’s Immigration spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “Documents obtained by Labour under the Official Information ...
    3 days ago
  • National leaves Kiwi savers the most vulnerable in OECD
    News last week that Israel’s Finance Minister will insure savers’ bank deposits means New Zealand will be left as the only country in the OECD that has no deposit insurance to protect savers’ funds should a bank fail. Most Kiwis ...
    GreensBy James Shaw
    4 days ago
  • Comprehensive plan for future of work needed
    A Massey University study showing many New Zealanders are unaware of the increasing role of automation in their workplace, highlights the need for a comprehensive plan for the future of work, says Grant Robertson, Chair of Labour’s Future of Work ...
    4 days ago
  • Another National Government failure: 90 day work trials
    On Friday last week, the Treasury released a report by MOTU economic consultants into the effectiveness of the controversial 90-day work trial legislation. The report found that there was “no evidence that the policy affected the number of hires by ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    4 days ago
  • Iraq mission extension case not made
    The Prime Minister has not made the case for extending the Iraq deployment another 18 months nor the expansion of their mission, says Opposition Leader Andrew Little.  “Labour originally opposed the deployment because the Iraqi Army’s track record was poor, ...
    4 days ago
  • Denial is a long river
    William Rolleston from Federated Farmers made the absurd claim on RNZ on Saturday that “we actually have very clean rivers”. This statement doesn’t represent the many farmers who know water quality is in big trouble and are working to clean ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    5 days ago
  • Denial is a long river
    William Rolleston from Federated Farmers made the absurd claim on RNZ on Saturday that “we actually have very clean rivers”. This statement doesn’t represent the many farmers who know water quality is in big trouble and are working to clean ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    5 days ago
  • Melanoma deaths could be avoided by an early access scheme
      The tragic death of Dunedin’s Graeme Dore from advanced Melanoma underlines the cruelty of this Government in promising a treatment but delaying for months, says Labour’s Health Spokesperson Annette King.  “Graeme was diagnosed with Melanoma last year. He used ...
    5 days ago
  • Assessing the Defence White Paper
    The Government’s recently released Defence White Paper has raised questions again about New Zealand’s defence priorities, and in particular the level and nature of public funding on defensive capabilities. The Green Party has a longstanding belief that priority must be ...
    GreensBy Kennedy Graham
    5 days ago
  • Kiwis’ confidence drops again: Economy needs a boost
    Westpac’s consumer confidence survey has fallen for the seventh time in nine quarters, with middle income households ‘increasingly worried about where the economy is heading over the next few years’, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “This survey is a ...
    5 days ago
  • Relocation grant simply kicks can down the road
    The response by state house tenants and social agencies to the Government’s rushed plan to shift families out of Auckland tells us what we already knew – this is no answer to the chronic housing shortage, Opposition Leader Andrew Little ...
    5 days ago
  • Peace hīkoi to Parihaka
    On Friday a Green crew walked with the peace hīkoi from Ōkato to Parihaka. Some of us were from Parliament and some were party members from Taranaki and further afield. It was a cloudy but gentle day and at one ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    5 days ago
  • Children’s Commissioner right to worry about CYF transition
    The Government must listen to the Children’s Commissioner’s concerns that young people under CYF care could be ‘negatively impacted’ as the new agency’s reforms become reality, says Labour’s Children’s spokesperson Jacinda Ardern. “Dr Russell Wills has used the second annual ...
    5 days ago
  • Bill English exaggerates PPL costs to justify veto
    The Finance Minister has used trumped-up costings to justify a financial veto against parents having 26 weeks paid parental leave, says Labour MP Sue Moroney. “Bill English’s assertion on RNZ yesterday that the measure would cost an extra $280 million ...
    7 days ago
  • Government must refund overcharged motorists
    Labour is calling on the Government to refund motor registration fees to three-quarters of a million Kiwi motorists whose vehicles were wrongly classified under National’s shambolic ACC motor vehicle risk rating system, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Sue Moroney says.“Minister Kaye’s ridiculous ...
    1 week ago
  • 90-day work trials an unfair failure which must change
    A new Treasury report shows the Government’s 90-day trials haven’t helped businesses and are inherently unfair, Labour’s Workplace Relations spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “The Motu report found that 90-day trial periods had no impact on overall employment and did not ...
    1 week ago
  • Massey East houses a start but Nick Smith should think bigger
    The Massey East 196-home development is a start but the Government must think bigger if it is to end the housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “It is great the Government is finally realising it needs to build ...
    1 week ago
  • More changes needed to ensure fewer cases like Teina Pora’s
    Teina Pora spent 21 years behind bars for a crime he didn’t commit, shafted by a Police investigation that prioritised an investigator’s hunch over the pursuit of credible evidence. Yesterday’s announcement that the government is to pay him $2.5m in ...
    GreensBy David Clendon
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand Labour sends condolences to UK
    The New Zealand Labour Party is sickened and saddened by the murder of British Labour MP Jo Cox, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “Ms Cox was killed in cold blood while simply doing her job as a constituent MP. She ...
    1 week ago
  • Shameful refugee quota increase still leaves NZ at the bottom of the list
    Minister for Immigration Michael Woodhouse announced this week that the government will put off increasing the refugee quota by 1000 places until 2018.  It’s a shameful decision that undermines the Government’s claim that it takes its international humanitarian obligations seriously, ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    1 week ago
  • Paula Bennett as a victim hard to swallow
    The National Party spin machine has gone into overdrive to try and present Paula Bennett as the victim in the Te Puea Marae smear saga, says Labour Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Bill English in Parliament today tried valiantly to paint ...
    1 week ago
  • Voters to have the final veto on paid parental leave
    New Zealanders will have the final right of veto on a Government that has ignored democracy and is out of touch with the pressures and demands on families, says Labour MP Sue Moroney. “Today’s decision by National to veto 26 ...
    1 week ago
  • Collins should put Kiwis’ money where her mouth is
    Labour’s Police spokesman Stuart Nash is calling on anyone who has received a speeding ticket for going up to 5km/h over the 100km/hr open road speed limit to write to him and he will take it up on their behalf ...
    1 week ago
  • Where is the leadership on equal pay for work of equal value?
    The gender pay gap in the public service is worse than in the private sector. I’ve always found this particularly galling because I expect our Government to provide an example to the private sector on things like human rights, rather ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    1 week ago
  • Kiwis’ real disposable income goes nowhere for the year
    New Zealanders’ hard work for the last year resulted in no increase in real disposable income, showing Kiwis aren’t getting ahead under National, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Today’s GDP figures reveal that real gross national disposable income per ...
    1 week ago
  • Pora case a case to learn from
    Conformation that Teina Pora will receive $2.5million from the Crown for more than 20 years of wrongful imprisonment does not fix the flaws in our system that led to this miscarriage of justice, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Jacinda Ardern says. “The ...
    1 week ago
  • Government needs to start again with RMA changes
    The National Government’s proposed changes to the Resource Management Act have attracted more than 800 submissions, many of them critical of key aspects of the Resource Legislation Bill. There has been much criticism of the new regulation making powers given ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    1 week ago
  • Bennett’s briefing completely unacceptable
    It is completely unacceptable that Paula Bennett briefed her political staff on the police investigation into Hurimoana Dennis after her meeting with him, despite it having nothing to do with her social housing portfolio, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    1 week ago
  • Speech to Green Building Council
    Building smarter, greener cities It will be clear to anyone who has been watching the public debate on the housing crisis that housing in New Zealand is sadly far from being economically sustainable when Auckland has the fourth most unaffordable ...
    1 week ago
  • Paula Bennett has more questions to answer
    It is unthinkable that Paula Bennett’s press secretary went rogue and tried to smear the reputation of someone involved in helping the homeless, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Political staff would not take such serious unilateral action without the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Speech on Notice of Motion on Orlando
    Mr Speaker, The Labour Party joins with the government in expressing our horror at this atrocity and our love and sympathy are with the victims and their families. Our thoughts are with the people of Orlando and of the United ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Tiakina Ngā Wai – Swimmable Rivers Report June 2016
    The campaign to clean up our rivers was launched at the Green Conference at Queens Birthday weekend. However, the work prior to the launch goes back a number of years. Russel Norman and Eugenie Sage deserve full credit for the ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    2 weeks ago
  • We can do more: Refugee quota should be doubled
    New Zealand is a better country than National’s miserable increase in the refugee quota that ignores our obligations to the international community and people in need, says Opposition Leader Andrew Little. “It is a sad day when the Government can’t ...
    2 weeks ago

Public service advertisements by The Standard

Current CO2 level in the atmosphere