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Reshuffle for unity

Written By: - Date published: 11:28 am, February 19th, 2013 - 228 comments
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As you all know I haven’t been the biggest cheerleader for Labour in recent times. And let’s not beat around the bush. I still have my concerns. But there’s a real opportunity on the near horizon. There’s hope for Labour yet. While the plan for the reshuffle before the vote was clearly punitive  things may have changed. Indeed they should have.

To win the party needs to unify. We all need to bury the hatchet and get on with bringing down this awful awful National government.

That unification starts with the leadership. Yes, they’ve ignored us. No, we didn’t elect them. And yes, the main guy can’t string a sentence together (Jesus tap-dancing Christ). But there’s still time for the leadership to prove to us they’re adult enough, and care enough about the Labour Party, to ignore the Goffs and Mallards and bring the caucus together.

It’s well known that 10 or 11 members of caucus did not give confidence to David Shearer as leader. He might be tempted to punish them in the upcoming reshuffle.

Shearer should go with his instinct and do the opposite.

Helen Clark put her main contender, Dr Michael Cullen, at number 2. And it worked. Superbly. Other leaders of the right, Phil Goff and Annette King were 3 and 4 once Steve Maharey retired. That was a bloody strong front row. They may have not been the best of friends but they knuckled down and did the job the party needed them to do.

To win, Labour must unify. To win Labour must use the best talent caucus has. Shearer should promote some of those capable members even if they have been part of the group pushing for change. Even if that means dislodging some of his own lieutenants. Because that is real leadership. And that is playing to Shearer’s strengths as a negotiator and deal breaker.

If he does the right job now, he may yet be remembered well.   And Labour might finally be in a position to take the fight to National.

Update: Oh dear. Chauvel is a big loss to Labour. He’s resigned rather than accept demotion. It should be the old guard moving out of Parliament, not young talented MPs with a future like Chauvel. This reinforces need to unify rather than punish and demote out of insecurity. It’s also a real shame because Dunne’s now a dead cert for another term. And it leaves Labour very under-powered on the legal front – as far as I know, only Parker, Dalziel, Huo and Little have law degrees and none of them are constitutional lawyers dying to be Shadow Attorney-General.

228 comments on “Reshuffle for unity”

  1. King Kong 1

    You guys lost. It’s head on spikes time.

    Cuddling up to the plotters who have done enormous damage to the Labour party will just prove to everyone that this kind of treachery goes unpunished.

    • One Tāne Huna 1.1

      :roll:

      • McFlock 1.1.1

        Actually, KK presented the alternative leadership option.
        Although personally I don’t think shearer has the elan to pull it off, so some measure of reconciliation might happen. Probably promote one or two of the suspected ten to provide a bit of balance.

      • Addison 1.1.2

        WHat do rats and sinking ships have in common with Charles Chauvel and Labour?

    • Tom Gould 1.2

      This is less about Shearer and more about Cunliffe. He needs to prove his loyalty and regain his leader’s confidence. What has he done to achieve these? Nothing by all accounts. So he should stay on the back benches, until he wakes up, parks his ego, and decides to be a team player. Same goes for his tiny band of disciples.

      • AmaKiwi 1.2.1

        @ Tom Gould

        What will the leader the members did NOT choose do to prove his loyalty to us?

        • Tom Gould 1.2.1.1

          As far as I am aware, members of the party who are not members of the caucus are unable to be appointed to spokesperson roles in the reshuffle.

      • TimD 1.2.2

        So Cunniliffe should stay at the back while all the other potential leaders can have a go at Shearer? He’ll have his hands full trying to bfend the challengers off. Not.
        I can fully understand why you’d do nothing – give the guy enough rope to hang himself with.
        I wonder if you’ll see some sort of breakaway group like Jim Anderton’s progressives, with DC leading it?

        • The Al1en 1.2.2.1

          “I wonder if you’ll see some sort of breakaway group like Jim Anderton’s progressives, with DC leading it?”

          Sadly, David assures me he won’t.

      • JBug 1.2.3

        I don’t think 10 is tiny – and you could probably guess there would be a few more out there who might have voted against Shearer at another time. If I were Shearer, I would be looking to unify the party not divide it further by kowtowing to the old-guard clique.

    • Enough is Enough 1.3

      What treachery was that? Oh that’s right there was none.

      Shearer should be gone and almost everyone who wants National gone agrees with that. However if he is going to be there he needs the best of caucus right beside him answering those questions he trips over on a daily basis. He must bring his ‘enemies’ close because he sure as shit can’t do it without them (I am far from convinced he can do it with them to be honest).

      • McFlock 1.3.1

        Shearer should be gone and almost everyone who wants National gone agrees with that

        [citation needed]

        • Bill 1.3.1.1

          Sheesh McFlock! On the basis that ‘ts’ is fairly representative of the thoughts and sentiments on the left around this issue – and given that the noble defenders of Shearer and ‘his’ labour Party on ‘ts’ can be counted…hmm, if not on one hand then certainly on less than two… then the “almost everyone” qualifier in the claim about who thinks what seems entirely fair and appropriate, no?

          • McFlock 1.3.1.1.1

            Pretty thin basis.
            Don’t get me wrong, “ts” is an important forum, but not everybody who dislikes the government is a leftwing politico-geek. In fact such folk are probably a small minority of “everyone who wants national gone”.

        • The Al1en 1.3.1.2

          I’m one of them

  2. One Tāne Huna 2

    Well said Eddie.

  3. xtasy 3

    Despair and a heck of a lot of unanswered questions, and being kind of ignored when asking for answers from MPs in Labour, that does sadly not make for fertile grounds to let much hope germinate.

    Shearer’s very last chance to save his face, perhaps, it seems, with this “re-shuffle”.

    What cards though are there to “shuffle”? Well, I will rather focus on other topics than this one.

  4. Agreed entirely Eddie and the corollary is that if MPs who are not part of ABC are demoted without cause then the immediate future for the party is bleak.

    EDIT: This must be the first time ever that an author has linked to Pete George’s site in a post!

    [lprent: Probably. ]

  5. Raymond a Francis 5

    Unlike King Kong I think what you suggest is the only way Labour can win and have an at least two term time on Government benches

    • Polish Pride 5.1

      “what you suggest is the only way Labour can win and have an at least two term time on Government benches”…..before National get back in and they are again in opposition.

      ….little to the left, little to the right, little to the left, little to the right. A little tinkering here a little tinkering there but nothing really changes. What you have said is a big part of why the system doesn’t work and the real problems never get resolved.

  6. chris73 6

    To win the party needs to unify. We all need to bury the hatchet and get on with bringing down this awful awful National government.

    – Shearer will string a coherent sentence together before that ever happens

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VSyx_s84Ak&feature=player_embedded

    – Tell you what if you make me leader I promise to do a better job
    (if Shearers reading this the correct answer is…No)

    • felixviper 6.1

      He’s never going to face an easier question than that.

      Never.

      Ever.

      • Colonial Viper 6.1.1

        If a junior backbencher had said that there absolutely was space in the Labour Caucus for MPs with homophobic attitudes I’m sure it would have gone down well.

    • the sprout 6.2

      Good post Eddie, sound advice.
      Faith that Team Shearer will follow that advice: zero.

  7. Roflcopter 7

    Charles Chauvel gone….

    • Roflcopter 7.1

      Well, it said he was gone…. but now the “he’s gone” has gone.

      Going for lunch.

        • chris73 7.1.1.1

          I’m saddened that he had to quit because of the rampant homophobia allowed under Shearer… ;)

        • King Kong 7.1.1.2

          Thats what happens when you back the wrong horse. A good lesson for many on here.

          [it must be one of the great tragedies of your life that you were born too late and in the wrong country to be a bully boy for a totalitarian state. JH]

          [lprent: Looking at all of his comments in this post, they have been pure assertion troll comments without any argument designed to start flames. Not acceptable behaviour and something he has been banned for before.

          Banned for (ummmm looks up previous data) 6 weeks. That should give him time to learn to troll elsewhere.. ]

          • fenderviper 7.1.1.2.1

            Well it’s better than backing the “right” horse that ends up running the wrong way.

          • bad12 7.1.1.2.2

            Now that brings on a bout of hilarity, at you KK, next time i tell you your clock has just struck 2 minutes to 12 as i did yesterday you should seriously learn to pull your head in,

            Most of us here are happy to debate with you or anyone else from the right around the matter of ‘facts’ but your continual post-jacking solely based around smart-arse remarks makes reading the posts very laborious…

            • higherstandard 7.1.1.2.2.1

              You are a fact free zone who spits abuse at anyone you perceive to be from a different team. Truly a blog based spanner of monumental proportions.

              • bad12

                Because you are so insipid in ‘fact’ and in personality i estimate your clock to remain at 10 to midnight,

                Try harder wont you, as you self destructing by copping a moderators spanking will only serve to improve the level of comment in the Standard and make it a far better read even when not commenting…

                  • The Al1en

                    Get fucked much?

                  • bad12

                    That just makes me laugh all the harder at you, gosh out of a zillion comments i have made on this site you have managed to trawl through them all and bring us a little % with the word f**k in them,

                    I should be really touched by the effort but am not and have to really consider that you are really ‘touched’ to have gone to such effort which in the end is pointless,

                    Or have you actually got a point???, there has to be a first time right???…

                    • higherstandard

                      Effort ?… it takes 10 seconds within the Standard’s search function …….. surely even an illiterate cusser such as yourself could do it easily.

                    • bad12

                      Is that right, oh hardly illiterate, i do cuss occasionally as you say but what’s the actual point besides having me laugh at you all the more…

                    • higherstandard

                      The point is you are an ass, a blip on the blogscape, a buffoon with a special genius for the provision of macrology.

                    • bad12

                      Lolz if i was so insignificant figure you wouldn’t have spent half the night attempting to denigrate me,

                      The point felix makes is valid why don’t you provide a valid reply, besides knowing like we do that a reply will just expose even more of your banal insipid stupidity that is…

                    • higherstandard

                      Everyone and thing on this blog is insignificant in the greater scheme of things.

                      I spent 5 minutes playing with you for the fun of it.

                      Why the tame tr0ll felt the need to leap your defense is most likely due to having finished his curry and post dinner glue sniffing. He never deems it necessary to give me a straight answer and repeatedly lies hence I don’t bother much with him apart from the baiting.

                    • felixviper

                      It’s astounding, I lie all the time but dear old Dr higherstandard has never been able to point out an example of it.

                      I expect that’s just because he doesn’t have the time or inclination to go searching around on blogs for examples of people saying things…

                      And yes, the glue was excellent.

                  • felixviper

                    I don’t understand, hs.

                    What’s wrong with saying “fuck”?

                    • higherstandard

                      Depends where and when it’s said.

                    • felixviper

                      But your search results are for anyuse of the word connected to bad12.

                      So I ask again, specifically related to this discussion, in the context of your search parameters: What’s wrong with saying “fuck”?

                    • higherstandard

                      Depends where and when it’s said.

                    • felixviper

                      Not according to your search parameters. They tell us that it depends who says it, nothing else was factored in.

                      Of course if you actually have an opinion on where and when and how it’s wrong or right to use the word – for anyone I mean, not just for bad12 – then you could tell us all about how that works and why bad12’s use of it falls into the “wrong” category.

                      But I think we both know you won’t because we both know that all you really do here is sarcastic personal abuse, political disinterest, and occasional fear of lesbians.

          • Rogue Trooper 7.1.1.2.3

            they will be missed…maybe Not!

          • Huginn 7.1.1.2.4

            Thank you, Lynn

            • Rodel 7.1.1.2.4.1

              Thanks….I ‘ll start reading again for 6 weeks.One gets tired of seeing KK nothingness.

  8. Arfamo 8

    Chauvel’s departure no doubt will be seen by many voters as a vote with his feet on Labour’s prospects at the next election.

  9. Bill 9

    Call me a [insert] optimist, but “creek”; “without a paddle” and “blood on the floor” keep circling in my mind.

    Simply on the grounds that Chauvel’s resignation seems a bit ‘out of the blue’ to me, I have to ask: Was he one of the Shearer/Robertson crew? Was he perceiving a watery future and striking out for safer drier lands? Are others raising their gazes and searching out new horizons too?

    Pfft, this optimism thing’s a pain!

    • higherstandard 9.1

      Nah he just saw a larger more secure trough to gorge at.

      • Bill 9.1.1

        Maybe so. Anyway. According to the ODT he previously backed Cunliffe. Optimism going down the gurgler.

      • gobsmacked 9.1.2

        HS, if he only wanted to “trough” he would have kept his head down, sung the praises of the current leadership, and waited for Father Time.

        Politcians aren’t all venal. Sometimes they just can’t keep a straight face any more, when they have to keep lying about how great things are.

        • higherstandard 9.1.2.1

          He’ll have fun at the UN, do less work and be paid considerably more. ……….. why should he have stayed in NZ ?

    • xtasy 9.2

      Bill: In the NZ Herald story just out now, he is quoted as having been a supporter of the David Cunliffe challenge to Shearer! Now that is stuff to think about now.

      • Bill 9.2.1

        Aye. Like I say. Optimism. Gurgler. :-(

        • xtasy 9.2.1.1

          Well, can you not see that enormous amount of convincing, contageous charisma radiate from the leader’s face, and wise words with decisive, clear messages come out of his mouth?

          Have another beer, mate, that is if it would not impact harmfully on your health! I think I may soon need it.

  10. xtasy 10

    Charles Chauvel was in my eyes a very promising MP for Labour, although at times a bit timid.

    I am just wondering, is this the beginning of the Cunliffe supporters, maybe David Cunliffe also himself, leaving the “sinking ship”???

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866354

    A good job at the UN rather than leading NZ into a better future, that maybe a good choice for Charles in some ways, perhaps for greater ambitions and good intentions. But it looks to me, that he has given up on a promising career as senior member of NZ’s second most poverful party (presently, and so far).

    This is NOT a good sign for Labour!

  11. gobsmacked 11

    Chauvel quits, and yet the dead wood hangs on.

    This is about more than Shearer. Labour’s rump are dedicated to self-preservation, at the expense of both party and country, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it, except wait for them to quit or die.

    Good luck to those who are fighting the good fight from within the party, but it’s going to be a long, long battle.

  12. wobble 12

    It’s sad to see Charles go, when so many many of the old guard are holding on for their dear lives.

    I guess it’s part of the problem. Talented MPs have somewhere else to be.

  13. Kevin Welsh 13

    Does any amount of reshuffling really matter when you have a leader who seems incapable of stringing a meaningful sentence together?

    • Arfamo 13.1

      No. Sad, but there it is. The ABC camp has locked itself and the party to a mumbling, bumbling election-loser who hasn’t been able to define what Labour stands for or who it represents as fundamentally any different from the Natzys. If they’d hung on to Goff I reckon they’d be doing better in the polls by now than under Shearer’s “leadership”.

  14. Addison 14

    What will be of major interest will be who replaces him! The next on the list, a dyed in the wool unionist, or will the list be massaged again to throw up a Shearer man/ woman? It could be another bad week for Mr Shearer!

  15. George D 15

    FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

    Fuck you Labour. Fuck you Mallard and Hipkins, you talentless pieces of shit. Fuck you Mumblefuck.

    Fuck the lot of them. Let it burn.

    • Tom Gould 15.1

      So does that mean you won’t be voting Labour in 2014?

      • mallard/hater. 15.1.1

        Tom gould, yup that means labour wont get my vote first time ever .cunliff is a better man and should have been leader.

        [lprent: putting you into auto-moderation until you can demonstrate that you can restrain your duplication problems. Just filed a two more into the trash. ]

        • George D 15.1.1.1

          It was an outburst of anger. I’m not proud of it, but it’s here now. See my comments below for a slightly more reasoned take.

      • AmaKiwi 15.1.2

        It means after donating thousands of hours and thousands of dollars I will NOT be party voting Labour unless there is new leadership (unlikely).

        Colin Craig (Conservative Party) is poking around on Labour and National’s vulnerable flank: MPs failure to represent their constituents.

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10866235

        Will the Greens pick up on this, too?

        If either Labour or National tried to claim they are democratic, the laughter at their hypocrisy would be deafening.

    • mallard/hater. 15.2

      Go george g , ever so frkn tru my man u just made my day :)

      [lprent: removed your dups. ]

  16. xtasy 16

    It was not my intention to comment further after my first one in this thread. But the sudden, unexpected resignation of Charles Chauvel raises yet more questions about what goes on within caucus, and how the “chemistry” is between members of it in the Labour Party.

    It seems to me that Shearer may also simply have or bring bad “karma”.

    Whenever there is any suggestion of him having done, or being able to do something decisive and positive, like a smart re-shuffle, there is suddenly some news or developments, that throw everything in disarray again, so any “credit”, hope or prospects get(s) shot to pieces again.

    Bomber Bradbury, are you perhaps also having a new plan in regards to party policies – or perhaps founding an new left party with prospects for this country, after announcing this promising new blog this morning? I am praying, I am praying, I am despairing.

    • Colonial Viper 16.1

      Whenever there is any suggestion of him having done, or being able to do something decisive and positive, like a smart re-shuffle, there is suddenly some news or developments, that throw everything in disarray again, so any “credit”, hope or prospects get(s) shot to pieces again.

      And note how Key has just the opposite – good luck even in stormy seas. This match up is not going to go well.

      • xtasy 16.1.1

        Yes, sadly Key gets away with almost anything, having also the media mostly go softly, softly on him. It does not look like a good, equal and exciting match, it looks like a game few will bother going to watch in 2014.

  17. George D 17

    Hmm, I guess I’m angry, and wanted to shout at someone.

    I know that he wasn’t liked by everyone – his personality put a few offside, and that others thought he had less talent than the superstar he was supposed when he entered politics, but he was certainly ahead of most of his party.

    I’m also quite upset at the profound failure of Shearer’s leadership this represents. This represents a major fuckup though. You want to be able to manage such things if you’re a leader, and hold on to your MPs. And when they do want to resign, you want some control over that too. There obviously wasn’t the trust to negotiate a shared departure.

    • McFlock 17.1

      What’s a “shared departure”?

      Isn’t this a resignation announced shortly before a reshuffle (unless I missed it)? What’s so bad about that?

      • The Fan Club 17.1.1

        Fact it’s stomped all over the A-G’s report on pokies deal & the Chch school closures news.

        • Socialist Paddy 17.1.1.1

          So Fan Club Chauvel should have put up with the petty backstabbing and the undermining and bullying just so Shearer would get a good headline?

          Fecks sake man. There is something terribly wrong and blaming the losing side for it is stupid, rude and damaging to the party.

      • George D 17.1.2

        A shared departure is what Nicola Roxon and Chris Evan’s resignations looked like two weeks back. You tell the leader, who tries to talk you out of it and tries to offer you things that might make you stay. If this fails, the leader organises a press conference and summons the media. You might even negotiate with the leader for a good time, and they come along and say goodbye. It’s obvious that there was insufficient trust between them for this to occur, and thus the whole process was a unilateral one.

        • McFlock 17.1.2.1

          Those two names don’t ring a bell, but ok.

          Looks like KK might have been right – Team Cunliffe folks packing up and leaving. Which means at least caucus will be slightly more coordinated.

          • Te Reo Putake 17.1.2.1.1

            Aussie Labor ministers. Resigned a fortnight ago, just after Gillard announced the election date. Roxon would have been PM one day, if she’d stayed.

          • Colonial Viper 17.1.2.1.2

            Looks like KK might have been right – Team Cunliffe folks packing up and leaving. Which means at least caucus will be slightly more coordinated.

            Ahhhh, a version of Muldoon’s famous line about people who leave.

            • McFlock 17.1.2.1.2.1

              No.

              Simply an observation that groups that have less internal division can act in a more consistent and cooperative manner. Which is the outcome that this post seems to ask for: (at least apparent or relative) unity.

              But then if you read the “improves the iq of both countries” line into that fairly obvious statement, then methinks (as if I didn’t already) that the problem with Shearer is more your perspective than anything about him in reality.

    • gobsmacked 17.2

      But George, you were the guy at Imperator Fish telling us to shut up now and support Shearer.

      Maybe some of us recognize that when something can’t be saved, then silence is not loyalty.

      It all comes down to this – can Labour/Shearer survive and succeed by papering over the cracks? Day after day, week after week, for two years and beyond, can Labour/Shearer somehow get away with being dysfunctional?

      Some think so (or pretend they do), but those of us who don’t think so get pretty tired of being told we’re the ones to blame, and if we all kept quiet about the shambles, then the shambles would stop.

      • George D 17.2.1

        I tried to publish it here first, actually. I believe that we on the left have a duty to create governments on the left that deliver to our country what we believe in. Negative blog comments almost never help that aim – I’m actually sorry for my outburst above.

        As we’ve learned many times, the only way to create change is to organise. Words here don’t change things; organised action changes things. It’s still up to Labour members to decide whether that action is for or against the current leadership.

        • Te Reo Putake 17.2.1.1

          Nicely put George. It’s worth remembering that LP members now have a say in policy. We may have missed the opportunity to get the leader we wanted, but we can still determine what we take to the voters next year.

          • George D 17.2.1.1.1

            You have at least one AGM before Labour is in power again – I encourage you to make full use of them.

  18. Rob 18

    What has Charles done in the last two years?

    How about the last 5?

  19. Elizabeth Bourchier Real Labour 19

    Darien Fenton for Attorney General.

  20. alex 20

    Are we sure that Chauvel was actually that valuable? The biggest story I can remember him being involved with was him shouting at a child on a plane.

    • Tigger 20.1

      That’s all the media saw fit to present, alex. Charles was an incredibly talented lawyer and did a lot of work behind the scenes. Remember, politicans pass laws…

      Such a loss. Now the only high profile gay male in Parliament with a law focus is the Nat who voted against gay marriage…

    • alwyn 20.2

      Give him a break. An acquaintance of mine was on the flight and said that Charles looked severely hung over.
      When you are in that state it is hardly surprising that you get upset when they allow kids up near the front of the plane and they upset their betters.
      Might just have been flu of course.

  21. irascible 21

    There are times that I think many of the commentators on this thread would rather remain as opposition rather than government because they can only be secure as critics of the party they ostensibly support while being mortally afraid to truly grasp the spokes of power and responsibility. It is, for such as these, easier to remain “pure” to their belief that opposition is the best place to remain than to actually take part in constructive policy building and active campaigning in order to get a Labour Party government elected. It does beggar the mind somewhat!!!

    • Arfamo 21.1

      It is no longer sufficient for parties to seek voter support on the basis of their party name. Shearer clearly cannot get votes on the basis of his eloquence, his wit, his appearance, his team leadership skills, or his self-confidence. So he needs to define what a vote for Labour under his leadership will mean.

      By comparison, Key can argue that under his leadership big business will prosper, everyone will benefit from the trickledown effects, smarmy remarks will be his style, and everybody but the already wealthy will continue to become progressively poorer. It’s a huge target. And Shearer hasn’t been able to score a bullseye yet.

  22. KhandallaViper 22

    “And that is playing to Shearer’s strengths as a negotiator and deal breaker.”

    That is very important, Bill. We have welcomed David for this aspect of his back-ground.

    Now s the time for him to apply it.

    • Socialist Paddy 22.1

      You mean like when he had the chance as the former UN big guy leader in the middle east to respond to Richard Tosser’s tosh and he said “If it was in anywhere else – perhaps even in New Zealand – it could incite violence”?

      Give me strength.

      This is meant to be the area of Shearer’s strength, you know international relations and the middle east and mango skins and nice guy and all that. And he fecked up.

      I repeat, give me strength. Are we meant to go out to battle for him?

  23. Te Reo Putake 23

    “It’s well known that 10 or 11 members of caucus did not give confidence to David Shearer as leader.”

    Is it? I’ve not seen a skerrick of evidence (WO and KB don’t count).

    “He might be tempted to punish them in the upcoming reshuffle.”

    If it a) happened

    and b) he knows the names (secret ballot, remember)

  24. michael 24

    Labour in 2017 then? Will the caucus be united behind a leader who can run a government?

    • Colonial Viper 24.1

      Green/Labour Government, 2017.

    • Afewknowthetruth 24.2

      In view of the fact that most people struggle to manage their own affairs, the idea that someone can manage other people’s affairs is absurd.

      Governments are simply facilitators for corporations and money-lenders who mismanage everything in their quest to make easy money and steal from the commons.. Fascists wearing red or green will be no better for NZ in the long run than fascists wearing blue, particularly since all of the current mob are scientifically and financially illiterate. Besides, we’ve already experienced what fascists wearing red do (from the mid-80s to the early 2000s)…. and what a disaster they were. Hence the voters ‘had a guts full’ and put the other lot of fascists into power.

      Actually, I’d be very surprised if current economic arrangements are still functioning in 2017, now that the implosion of Europe, Japan and the US are accelerating..

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell pretending to be Afewknowthetruth 24.2.1

        Governments serve no purpose. We are all doomed. You are all too stupid to know. This is despite me having told you all so many times both that you are all doomed and that you are stupid.

        I, on the other hand, am smarter than Gallileo.

        You will all be sorry when you find out I was right. This will be either in 2013, or any of the other years between 2013 and 2050. Do not ask for any of my canned goods, when this happens, idiots.

        • Colonial Viper 24.2.1.1

          Canned goods? The usual US survivalists joke is around “rice and beans” as apparently they are easier to store in bulk for long periods of time. And if that’s ‘survival’ it might not be that worth it.

          • Rogue Trooper 24.2.1.1.1

            alright with a little salmon and tomato

            • AmaKiwi 24.2.1.1.1.1

              Will there be a Labour party in 2017?

              In June 2012, the three centrists Greek parties went into the election with 70% of the seats in Parliament. After the election TOGETHER they had only 30%.

              Major parties DIE, especially during times of economic crisis. I will bet after the 2017 election at least one of our major parties will have fewer than 15% of the seats (maybe both).

              Maybe it’s time for the Labour Party to die so it can be replaced with something better. Don’t get me started or I’ll go on for pages about how the LP could be improved.

              • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell pretending to be Afewknowthetruth

                I’ll go on for pages about how the LP could be improved.

                Just give us your top 50 things.

  25. Elizabeth Bourchier Real Labour 25

    Charles has shown his confidence in Shearer/Robertson winning the next election by voting against them…..with his feet.

    Bye Charles. Please keep your membership current. Things will get better …. sometime.

  26. I have got 3 applications to Join three Political Parties Labour National and United Future I can now cross of Labour It toss up between United and National for who gets my Membership it hard decision to make I usually a Labour Voter not in 2014. Not since the Cunliffe demotion I cannot stand Labour and there attitude. Labour 2017 maybe.

  27. Rich 27

    I can’t be bothered to google, but would lay bet that those asserting that people should support Shearer unconditionally made exactly the same arguments about Goff last term and will no doubt make the same ones about next term’s time-server.

    • McFlock 27.1

      those asserting that people should support Shearer unconditionally

      [citation needed]

      • Rich 27.1.1

        *I can’t be bothered to google*

        • McFlock 27.1.1.1

          well, the number is zero, anyway.

          Or at least I’ve never seen anyone demand shearer be supported unconditionally.

          • felixviper 27.1.1.1.1

            I haven’t seen anyone say it either.

            Criticise anything he says or does though…

            • McFlock 27.1.1.1.1.1

              Criticise everything he says or does though…

              fify

              • felixviper

                Nope, just the lame, stupid, offensive things.

                Entirely up to him really, presumably he could stop doing all that any time he likes.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Don’t be too harsh. He’s not doing it himself, he’s doing it under advisement.

                • McFlock

                  Nope, just the lame, stupid, offensive things that we work really hard to extract out of such fiendish and blatant whistles as “happy new year”.

                  FIFY-again

                  • Rhinocrates

                    MIFY-again

                    Misrepresented it For You – again.

                  • felixviper

                    Pretty much, Rhino.

                    McF, how hard do you think I’m working to extract offense from ‘Absolutely, homophobes have a place in the Labour party’?

                    If you want to criticise my criticisms, how about sticking to the ones I actually make, eh?

                    • McFlock

                      Fair enough. Let’s pretend the first ‘Shearer says’ of 2013 wasn’t greeted with bullshit quibbling over his use of his use of the phrase “Happy New Year” in the first fucking comment.

                      The homophobe fluff was a pretty fair call to be criticised on. Although I’d like a link to what he exactly said, as I’m pretty sure you just made up what you put in quotation marks. It is probably a good place to start if you think Rich’s comment about commenters demanding “unconditional support” for Shearer was all about how you might have been criticised for making Shearer seem worse than he actually is.

                      The actual quote from a radio transcript seems to be

                      “Shearer: Oh look yes, absolutely, there are some, when I say homophobic I don’t think we’ve got any homophobes there, but, there are some people who don’t agree with, ah, um, unsection (?) marriage, you mean you know, a marriage between two, two people of the same sex, um, that’s ah, that’s not ah a a majority but um look you know at the same time as we, you know we’ve been at the forefront of these things, we’ve also had people who didn’t agree with it, there’s plenty of room for them as well. “

                      which I agree is a dumb piece of waffle that tries hard to avoid any position on the issue and is a general fuckup. If pete george’s transcript is accurate. I don’t visit his place, though.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      FV said:

                      McF, how hard do you think I’m working to extract offense from ‘Absolutely, homophobes have a place in the Labour party’?

                      McFlock said:

                      Although I’d like a link to what he exactly said, as I’m pretty sure you just made up what you put in quotation marks.

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VSyx_s84Ak

                    • Colonial Viper

                      bear in mind, Shearer was not asked about whether or not people with homophobic views had a place in the Labour Party.

                      He was asked whether or not Members of Parliament with homophobic views had a place in the Labour Party.

                      Answer: “Oh look yes, absolutely, there are some”

                    • McFlock

                      So pete seems pretty accurate about the waffle. As supplied by Whaleoil. But light years between that drivel and a firm ‘Absolutely, homophobes have a place in the Labour party’.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      The response to whether or not there is place for MPs with homophobic views in Labour is recorded on the youtube link above.

                    • felixviper

                      “Let’s pretend the first ‘Shearer says’ of 2013 wasn’t greeted with bullshit quibbling over his use of his use of the phrase “Happy New Year” in the first fucking comment.”

                      And what the fuck does that have to do with me, McF? Again, how about criticising stuff I’ve actually said. FFS.

                      “Although I’d like a link to what he exactly said, as I’m pretty sure you just made up what you put in quotation marks.”

                      That’s why it’s in single quotes. I thought that was obvious, but if you think it’s not an appropriate paraphrase then do tell me if you think it misrepresents him in any way.

                      “if you think Rich’s comment about commenters demanding “unconditional support” for Shearer was all about how you might have been criticised for making Shearer seem worse than he actually is.”

                      Sorry mate, didn’t notice where I’d done that. Point it out, would you? I’m presuming you don’t mean that simply joining a discussion implies that I think everything said up until that point was about me, but I could be wrong.

                      “which I agree is a dumb piece of waffle that tries hard to avoid any position on the issue”

                      I’d have to disagree with that, I think he takes quite a clear position. The question was whether there is a place for homophobes in his party and the answer is yes, absolutely, also blah blah blah. Which is a yes in anyone’s book, unless you were going out of your way to make him look better than he really is.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      The question was whether there is a place for homophobes in his caucus and the answer is yes, absolutely, also blah blah blah.

                      fify

                    • McFlock

                      And then said that he didn’t think any homophobes were in “there” and then tried to separate same-sex marriage from homophobia and otherwise dig his way out. He fluffed it badly.

                      But there’s a marked difference between that and a firm “homophobes have a place in the Labour party” coming from his lips.

                    • felixviper

                      Course there is.

                      That’s why it’s so good that he said “no”.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      But there’s a marked difference between that and a firm “homophobes have a place in the Labour caucus” coming from his lips.

                      fify

                      Both the question and Shearer’s response is in the youtube link above.

                    • McFlock

                      CV: party/caucus, still a marked difference.

                      FV:
                      And what the fuck does that have to do with me, McF?

                      Oh, sorry, you joining a discussion immediately makes every subsequent comment all about you. I’ll bear that in mind.

                      I’d have to disagree with that, I think he takes quite a clear position. .

                      No shit you disagree. A “clear position” from that waffle based on two words he immediately backtracks on? You’re psychic.

                      Fuck this, I’m off to bed.

                    • felixviper

                      Well McF, usually when people reply to a comment I made with a direct response to a question I asked, I reckon they’re talking to me.

                      But then you seem to think ‘yes absolutely there’s still a place for homophobic views’ is ambiguous on the subject of homophobic views, so ymmv.

                    • McFlock

                      To you, yes – not about you.

                      And ‘yes absolutely there’s still a place for homophobic views’ is indeed completely unambiguous. My point is that he never actually fucking said it.

                    • felixviper

                      Just so we’re clear we’re talking about the same thing, here’s what I asked:

                      McF, how hard do you think I’m working to extract offense from ‘Absolutely, homophobes have a place in the Labour party’?

                      If you want to criticise my criticisms, how about sticking to the ones I actually make, eh?

                      And here’s your answer:

                      Fair enough. Let’s pretend the first ‘Shearer says’ of 2013 wasn’t greeted with bullshit quibbling over his use of his use of the phrase “Happy New Year” in the first fucking comment.

                      You seriously saying those two comments aren’t related? Fine, whatever.

                      And again, if you don’t like my paraphrasing then tell me where I’ve got it wrong. Where’s the bit where Shearer says ‘No, there’s no place for homophobic views’?

                      Because not only is that the correct answer, it’s also just as easy to say as ‘oh look yes absolutely’ or whatever the fuck he said.

                    • McFlock

                      So.
                      You entered a general conversation about whether people here were demanding unconditional support for shearer, and have warped it into a discussion about whether you, personally, have ever made an unwarranted criticism of Shearer (or have been accused of aiding and abetting tories for making a fair criticism).

                      Okay, let’s work with that:
                      You are correct to criticise shearer’s waffly response to being asked whether there’s a place for homophobes in caucus. It was a crap effort on shearer’s part.

                      However:

                      I think that your “paraphrasing” of a convoluted, non-committal, and self-contradictory response into a clear endorsement or acceptance of homophobes in caucus is a perfect example of people taking shearer’s shortcomings and building them into something they’re not.

                      It might not exactly be rolling a glitter-ball in shit, but whatever shearer gave you to work with was not as nauseating as the pungent, manky, slimey turdishousness that you “paraphrased” it into.

                    • felixviper

                      If what Shearer said was “self-contradictory” then surely you’ll be able to point out the contradictions it contains.

                      I don’t see him saying anything that contradicts the ‘yes absolutely’ that he opens with or the ‘plenty of room for them’ that he wraps up with.

                      Even more so on listening than reading, it’s a resoundingly affirmative answer. And if that’s not what he intended, then in spite of all the protestations of his fan club, he still really, really sucks at this stuff and isn’t getting any better.

                    • McFlock

                      lol. Is vto right that opposing same-sex marriage does not equal homophobia?

                      there are some, when I say homophobic I don’t think we’ve got any homophobes there, but, there are some people who don’t agree with, ah, um, unsection (?) marriage, you mean you know, a marriage between two, two people of the same sex,

                      um, that’s ah, that’s not ah a a majority but um look you know at the same time as we, you know we’ve been at the forefront of these things, we’ve also had people who didn’t agree with it, there’s plenty of room for them as well.

                      I don’t see him saying anything that contradicts the ‘yes absolutely’ that he opens with or the ‘plenty of room for them’ that he wraps up with.

                      “them” – is that homophobes or people who oppose same-sex marriage? Would a homophobe feel like “there’s plenty of room” in a party that’s “been at the forefront of these things” (whatever “these things” are)?
                      And what’s the “yes absolutely” in reference to, anyway? Is it, as your position seems to be, a “yes absolutely there is room for homophobes”, or is it Shearer hearing more of an “are there homophobes in labour” question, or is it just a goddamn habitual verbal filler that he got into the habit of using?

                      Even more so on listening than reading, it’s a resoundingly affirmative answer. And if that’s not what he intended, then in spite of all the protestations of his fan club, he still really, really sucks at this stuff and isn’t getting any better.

                      I dunno – I think he did a better soundbite on telly than Turei when it came to lobby questions about the skycity A-G report. He does seem to be improving, but I agree that this particular cockup was a regression.
                      But I’m sure you and whaleoil will disagree with me about that.

                    • McFlock

                      cocked up and failed edit – 2nd blockquote redundant, third is you, first and fourth quote blocks are shearer

                    • The Al1en

                      “lol. Is vto right that opposing same-sex marriage does not equal homophobia?”

                      Coincidentally, that’s failed Hamilton West conservative candidate Pat Gregory’s same question to the local rag.

                    • The Al1en

                      Am I going to abuse it when I get an edit button

                      Of course that would be in general, not to vto’s post

                    • felixviper

                      For what it’s worth I thought his interview the other day on the AG report into Sky City was excellent.

                      I’d guess the difference was he knew exactly what he was talking about and was well prepped.

                      So yeah, this would be a regression from that for sure.

    • AmaKiwi 27.2

      “people should support Shearer unconditionally”

      Same b.s. said about every unworthy leader.

      List your reasons why he is the best or stfu.

  28. hush minx 28

    Two things spring to mind. First is that the news from Charles C highlights how key this reshuffle for instilling a sense of hope and fairness, not just amongst caucus but the wider party. Secondly that’s a talented MP walking put the door. If he thought labor was going to win would he be leaving? I doubt it. So where’s the upcoming talent of new blood into caucus? And no, I do not count JT! :-)

  29. bad12 29

    Yes i thought Charles Chauval was a good MP as well, but, the gap left in the line-up will soon be filled and most of us 6 months from now will have mostly forgotten His contribution,

    A re-shuffle now from David Shearer, why not,at the same time He should give the signal that He could again reshuffle in early 2014 if any of the team aint making the required impact,

    I await more policy from Labour for us to see the true shape of the proposed Labour/Green Government in 2014, that being i would suggest 1-2% either way from being a done deal i would also suggest that such a conclusion to 2014 is as much up to ‘us’ as it is the Parliamentary teams of the Party’s we support,

    Questions of leadership we should now consign to the back-burner,(or the party conference),until 2014 if the unthinkable becomes a reality…

    • AmaKiwi 29.1

      “Questions of leadership we should now consign to the back-burner.”

      Yes, it’s clear the members and affiliates are powerless to select a leader. The LP is run like a mini-dictatorship. I’m out.

      • bad12 29.1.1

        Lolz with a toy tossing attitude like that i have to inquire whether you were ever actually ‘in’,

        That’s funny, i see no evidence of this mini-dictatorship, the Labour Caucus just held a vote,( entirely within the rules),to ascertain whether or not David Shearer would face a party wide vote and the decision of that caucus was that He wouldn’t,

        So where’s the dictatorship???

        • George D 29.1.1.1

          Then there’s the fact that those MPs were electing consistent with a process that was set by the party, they themselves were selected consistent with a process that was set by the party, and that the party itself changed the processes just last year after its conference.

          If you don’t like the outcome, blame the rules. If you don’t like the rules, then change them. It’s your party.

          • bad12 29.1.1.1.1

            Yep, that same Caucus has elected Shearer once under each set of rules, no matter what anyone thinks of Him as the Leader He is all there is,

            Instead of whining about Cunliffe not being the leader the next best thing the Labour lot can do is push good Labour policies through the committees and hope like hell to have them legislated for,

            Carrying on the bitter little fight is going to get none of us anywhere except 3 more of Slippery and the present ugly little bunch of Shysters…

  30. “Questions of leadership we should now consign to the back-burner”

    What about lack of leadership, is that okay?

    “if the unthinkable becomes a reality”

    If you mean Labour don’t win under Shearer = :lol:

    • bad12 30.1

      The bloke sounded and looked Ok to me on the TV1 news tonight, seemed to come across quite forcefully,

      Should He continue to improve in that vein until November 2014 he should give the current Slippery little Shyster a riun for His money in the TV debates…

      • The Al1en 30.1.1

        So we’ll see the opinion polls reflect that about when?

        And just to be clear, the :lol: isn’t about DS not winning in 2014, that would be a wry smile tinged with much sorrow to be comfortable, no, it’s that you think Shearer not winning is unthinkable.

        I get hope over expectation, but what do you see? What makes you think he’ll win it for you?

  31. bad12 31

    ‘He’???, i don’t see David Shearer winning anything for ‘me’ full stop, what i see is a National government run by a Shyster and a bunch of yesterdays men only interested in feathering the nests of the few and the voters to attempt to keep them in power,

    What i see is a Roy Morgan poll which would have a Labour/Green/Mana Government if the election was last week,

    What i see is a Maori party with no support and a NZFirst Party bleeding their support by the day thanks to Richard, given that what i see is the highly unlikely situation of either of those 2 figuring in the next Parliament,

    What i see is the loss of at least 1% of the National party’s support being gone by 2014, what that says is Labour/Green Government…

    • The Al1en 31.1

      “He’???, i don’t see David Shearer winning anything for ‘me’ full stop,”

      “Should He continue to improve in that vein until November 2014 he should give the current Slippery little Shyster a riun for His money in the TV debates…”

      I must’ve misread and/or misunderstood you. I apologise.

      “What i see”

      Maybe you misread or misunderstood me ;)

      I’m talking about Dave. What do you see in him that makes him the leader? What do you see that makes him the best man for the job?

    • JK 31.2

      bad12 – NOTHING will stop Nat voters voting NAT – even if they don’t like what’s happening under their current shyster. What they do NOT want is to see Labour in Power again. So they’ll keep voting Nat.

      Labour voters on the other hand have a record of NOT VOTING if they do not like what their Party puts up …… and there is evidence coming through (see the most recent TV1 poll) that Labour supporters don’t like what Labour is putting up. In addition there are the 800,000 non-voters from the 2011 election who still need to be persuaded to vote – preferably Labour.

      In 1987 Labour voters stayed home, but Nat-Act type voters liked what Douglas et al were saying and voted Labour back in. By 1990, more and more Labour voters stayed at home and didn’t vote.

      Labour people like to vote. Its very difficult for them NOT to vote. with MMP they now have a choice – they can stay home, or they can vote Green (or Mana) or even NZ First.

      what’s the betting that Labour loses votes in 2014, but Green and/or NZ First and maybe Mana, increase their votes ? This might still amount to a coalition, but it could be a very unstable one !! and not
      governable …….

      On the other hand, if enough Nat voters continue to vote Nat-Act-United : then we’ve got another three years of them. And this is a likely scenario ….. give that Nat-Act people do not WANT to see Labour take over.

      • bad12 31.2.1

        YA-A-AWN, in answer to that long winded rant,(a) National Party voters, or to be more accurate, the slight part of the current National Party vote that is ‘the swing vote’ have been well bought and paid for by tax cuts which has ensured their loyalty while they wait for some assets to buy,

        The TV1 poll, even the apologist, cheerleader,and big mouthpiece for the National Party Mathew Hooten admits that the TV1 poll always reads the National Party votte at least 2% above what it actually turns out to be,

        Try last weeks Roy Morgan Poll which gave Labour/Green/Mana the numbers to form a Government…

      • NoseViper (The Nose knows) 31.2.2

        should we have compulsory voting with a small fine for not?

  32. bad12 32

    I dont!!! the Labour Caucus have seen ‘something’ in Dave that they have voted,(twice), to have Him the leader of the Labour Party, as i am not a member of that party such decisions are out of my hands…

    • The Al1en 32.1

      “I dont!!!”

      Good. :lol:

      “the Labour Caucus have seen ‘something’ in Dave that they have voted,(twice), to have Him the leader of the Labour Party,”

      To be fair, at this point it’s only at least twenty two of caucus.
      Maybe the question should be directed at them, but seeing as they’ve not been listening for the last four years, I won’t be counting on a credible answer.

      “as i am not a member of that party such decisions are out of my hands…”

      So no real reason to advocate for putting the leadership question to bed just yet, just because at least twenty two want us to.
      No one ever achieved anything like that.

      • bad12 32.1.1

        SO, what exactly do you hope to achieve by continually fermenting a question of leadership that you and the others continually fermenting that question have already lost twice…

        • The Al1en 32.1.1.1

          Given the circumstances I’d dispute lost, and twice, but like you, that’s not my fight.

          I dare say I can’t achieve much of anything to change the minds of at least twenty two caucus fuck nuggets, but I’m always happy to let a shit show know they’ve got a shit show’s chance.

          So strap in, it’s going to bumpy when there are more and more ‘rogue polls’ and the months dwindle away.

          • bad12 32.1.1.1.1

            So sit on the sidelines and add a larger glass of whine to the cheese-board, because you achieve exactly nothing ranting on endlessly over a battle that you didn’t have a vote in by the sounds of it either at Party or Caucus level,

            Cunliffe lost and if you want to try and lose Labour the next election because of a bit of toy tossing in your head well that’s your problem…

            • The Al1en 32.1.1.1.1.1

              “So sit on the sidelines and add a larger glass of whine to the cheese-board”

              Front and centre, Pams diet cola, and cheese-board? What do you think I am? The bourgeoisie ET. :lol:

              I reckon it’s going to get real messy, real soon, so get a swanny on and watch out for the flying splatty bits.

              • bad12

                Lolz s**ts so cheap in the supermarket these days that the kids can buy and still have change from the pocket money…

            • The Al1en 32.1.1.1.1.2

              “if you want to try and lose Labour the next election because of a bit of toy tossing in your head well that’s your problem…”

              So it would be my fault Labour fucked it and are acting like retards. Don’t be silly.
              But I might change my mind. That selfish wry smile might just become a ‘so fucking what, you earned it’ chortle or guffaw.

              I’d urge everyone to send their votes elsewhere than red.
              Don’t trust the man, don’t trust the people – At least twenty two of them, anyway.
              You do what you like, of course, but I’ll not follow you down the cul-de-sac, if you don’t mind.

              • bad12

                I am sure you know what i mean and if you don’t then i cannot at this late hour be bothered explaining it to you,

                Cul de sac???, knock out the Maori Party ,kick the % of left leaning vote away from NZFirst thanks to Richard,and, hey presto what have you,

                Wheres the cul de sac, a Labour/Green Government, is that a cul de sac???…

                • The Al1en

                  If I don’t trust the men and women who have been losers for four years, and hand on heart, I bet even those of his supporters are hoping more than expecting, what should I do? Be quiet? Just vote red because I always have?
                  I reckon I’m okay stating opposition to a very bad job, done by bad people who’ve done a very bad job against very bad people.

                  No need to reward their incompetence with my silence.

                  • bad12

                    Now let me just get this straight, in all these bad men,losers blah blah blah there’s, drumroll lights,violins, one yes one heroic figure, not a bad man, not a loser, it’s Dave Cunliffe the hero of the movie,

                    Did i get that right???…

                    • The Al1en

                      The spotlight is always on me and always will be ;)

                      They can fight (or not as it appears) their own battles, for their own reasons.
                      Those 33 visit these pages, they go by numbers, they read the for and against.
                      You say C’mon pull together – They think ‘see, we’re unstoppable’.
                      More write, you suck, you’re shit, and on record alone, you’ve failed very badly* – They think ‘see, we’re unstoppable’.

                      Never go quietly, bruv. Always kick and scream a bit.
                      Fuck dignity when you’re in the grip.

                      * See 2008 onwards

                    • bad12

                      S**t, are you suggesting 2008 backwards was a bunch of roses,all shining light and praise Helen,

                      Helen was actually the one that finally decided for me that i should stop voting red and take it elsewhere,

                      Lolz, if you knew who me was you would know that there is no such thing as going quietly,

                      Sometimes i am quietly going about my biz most of which has a fair amount of politics in the mix…

                    • The Al1en

                      “S**t, are you suggesting 2008 backwards was a bunch of roses,all shining light and praise Helen,”

                      I’m saying since 2008, Labour haven’t put a single scratch on the government, not one. Maybe someone will post a list proving otherwise, but they should save themselves the trouble and derision that even attempting to will bring. The polls say, no. The end.

                      “if you knew who me was you would know that there is no such thing as going quietly,”

                      Glad to read it. Now post ‘Shearer is the lost McMumble Womble’ in four words or less, and we’ll strategize disorderly rear guards over Green tea and your cheese board. :)

                    • bad12

                      Actually the tea of any hue with a cheese board would be a really really bad idea you might end up eating the board by mistake…

                    • The Al1en

                      “Actually the tea of any hue with a cheese board would be a really really bad idea you might end up eating the board by mistake…”

                      I’d suggest crackers, but there’s only so many tory trolls to go around.

            • NoseViper (The Nose knows) 32.1.1.1.1.3

              Yes it gets to the point where the destructive force of pressing for change mounts higher as it continues and what is being destroyed is Labour’s chances to do anything because it doesn’t get elected. So I think keep working for change (limitation of terms or?). And push for more positives rather than blanket disapproval and increase the positives.

              From LyricsDepot
              – Words and Music by Harold Arlen and Johnny Mercer
              ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE
              Peak Billboard position in 1945.

              Hear it on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jdbFOidds

              Gather ’round me, everybody
              Gather ’round me while I’m preachin’
              Feel a sermon comin’ on me
              The topic will be sin and that’s what I’m ag’in’
              If you wanna hear my story
              The settle back and just sit tight
              While I start reviewin’
              The attitude of doin’ right

              You’ve got to accentuate the positive
              Eliminate the negative
              And latch on to the affirmative
              Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
              You’ve got to spread joy up to the maximum
              Bring gloom down to the minimum
              Have faith or pandemonium’s
              Liable to walk upon the scene

              To illustrate my last remark
              Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark
              What did they do just when everything looked so dark?
              (Man, they said “We’d better accentuate the positive”)
              (“Eliminate the negative”)
              (“And latch on to the affirmative”)
              Don’t mess with Mister In-Between (No!)
              Don’t mess with Mister In-Between

              (Ya got to spread joy up to the maximum)
              (Bring gloom down to the minimum)
              (Have faith or pandemonium’s)
              (Liable to walk upon the scene)

              You got to ac (yes, yes) -cent-tchu-ate the positive
              Eliminate (yes, yes) the negative
              And latch (yes, yes) on to the affirmative
              Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
              No, don’t mess with Mister In-Between

    • Colonial Viper 32.2

      as i am not a member of that party such decisions are out of my hands…

      Wouldn’t have made a difference; no labour Party members except the 34 in caucus had any say.

      • bad12 32.2.1

        The Caucus tho did what the rules said they should do right, is there any denial of that???…

        • Colonial Viper 32.2.1.1

          Yeah that’s TRP’s argument. By the way, just because you can do a thing, does not mean that is the thing which should be done.

          Not giving the membership a vote to fully confirm Shearer’s leadership was a serious strategic error IMO.

          • bad12 32.2.1.1.1

            yes i agree it was a serious strategic mistake, unlike the anti-Shearer crew that comment here, there and everywhere i see the mistake having been one that Cunliffe made, He hasn’t ever had the numbers to roll Shearer full stop,

            The Caucus voted recently to keep Shearer as the leader, that’s the new rules, the strategic mistake there was one made at party level where the trigger for a leadership vote is in the hands of the caucus,

            To keep thrashing Shearer over what looks to me like His oppositions strategic mistakes seems pretty pointless…

            • Colonial Viper 32.2.1.1.1.1

              To keep thrashing Shearer over what looks to me like His oppositions strategic mistakes seems pretty pointless…

              For sure mate. Absolutely pointless. What about mistakes like, “is there room in the Labour Party caucus for people with homophobic attitudes” “oh, absolutely…”

              • Te Reo Putake

                Well, technically Shearer’s correct. Damien O’Connor is a Labour MP.after all.

              • bad12

                Here’s one from Helen Clark that had real meaning and real effect on one hell of a lot of people that actually hurt them physically,

                ”If those on benefits want to share in Working for Families they should get a job”,

                i aint about to sit here all night and baby sit Shearer but i think you all are being a little bit precious with the ongoing wah wah wah,

                S**t i am pretty homophobic, don’t really give a s**t what people get up to in their private lives but wouldn’t have any of them in my house thanks,

                If Damien Oconner is a bit that way too, so what, does it stop Him from doing His job, does it stop Him from supporting Labour party policy…

                • Colonial Viper

                  Here’s one from Helen Clark that had real meaning and real effect on one hell of a lot of people that actually hurt them physically,

                  ”If those on benefits want to share in Working for Families they should get a job”,

                  The same sentiment would have been right in place from the lips of Thatcher, Douglas, Prebble, Richardson, Brash, Bennett, Shearer, …

                  • bad12

                    Exactly, far worse than anything Shearer has so far managed, although the roof painting sickness bene speech takes Him close,

                    That one from Helen is now why i am not a member of the Labour Party, the Green Party now get what little i can afford in the way of political donation and will be getting both my votes at 2014 which if the Green Party stay true to their principles will put ahalt to Labour’s bene-bashing ways…

              • felixviper

                Sorry CV, anyone from the left who criticises Shearer for anything, for evermore, is clearly just a disgruntled ex-Cunliffite trying to undermine him.

                • bad12

                  Lolz, but they are…

                • Colonial Viper

                  Hey dude. Before the Feb leadership vote Cunliffe made it very clear he was out of contention. So many ex-whatever’s here apparently, Chauval just expressed it more emphatically.

                  • bad12

                    Lolz Dave C getting clever perhaps, would he have changed that tune if the Caucus had of triggered the Party wide vote???

                    My opinion is that He would have thrown His hat in the ring if that Party wide vote had of been triggered…

                    • Colonial Viper

                      And he may well not have been the only one. However, I think grudgingly that TRP was right all along – there was never any chance of that Feb vote going against Shearer.

                    • bad12

                      Oh i was hoping big time that it would be triggered as well, it would have been a great contest,

                      and although many here thought that should the wider Party had a vote Dave C, should he have been in the contest, would have won it i think that there is still a chance that He would not have as i do not see all the union affiliates as voting toward a left leaning candidate as a foregone conclusion…

                • Te Reo Putake

                  Resistance is futile, felix.

  33. bad12 33

    LOLZ, undefined seems to be my ‘new’ secret name, bestowed by none other than the ‘machine’ yes the machine (gasp),

    That’s my reward for trying to edit the last comment which should have said that Dave is the leader of the Labour Caucus…

  34. NoseViper (The Nose knows) 34

    Just finished a post submitted it and ? Page saying Closed. I went back a step and pressed home and waited over a minute. The blog seemed to be down for a short time.

    I tried to reach a couple of comments, couldn’t, tried again and did get through then checked and my post had gone through. (I had copied stuff from the internet.)

  35. Jbug 35

    Very sad Chauvel has resigned. Not like we have a wealth of intelligent, thoughtful, committed Labour MPs in there at the moment! Interesting that the talented ones are leaving. Love to see Mallard or King try to get a new job, let alone at the UN. Sorry to see you go Charles. But good on you.

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    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Speech to Canterbury Chamber of Commerce
    Today I'm going to talk about our policy package to upgrade and grow our economy and how we turn that growth into a foundation for a decent and fair society. But first I want to address the issue of our...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Commission of Inquiry must have bipartisan support
    The Labour Party is drafting terms of reference for a Commission of Inquiry, Labour’s Shadow Attorney-General David Parker says. “It is abundantly clear there is a need for an independent Commission of Inquiry, chaired by a High Court Judge, into...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Rapid Transit to unclog Christchurch
    Labour will build a 21st century Rapid Transit system for Christchurch, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The long delayed recovery of Christchurch hinges on a modern commuter system for the city. “We will invest $100 million in a modern rail plan...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s commitment to public broadcasting
    A Labour Government will set up a working group to re-establish a public service television station as part of our commitment to ensuring New Zealand has high quality free-to-air local content. “We will set up a working group to report...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Bad luck National
    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • The incredible changing John Key story on mass spying – why the Moment of...
    While the mainstream media continue to try and make the Moment of Truth about Kim’s last minute decision to prolong his battle against John Key past the election into the Privileges Committee, the reality is that the Moment of Truth...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Themes of the Campaign
    There’s one area of a political campaign that just about everyone, at some point, falls afoul of. The campaign song. I’m not sure quite why it is, but it seems to be almost impossible for political parties to come up...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Denis Tegg – The NSA slides that prove mass surveillance
    The evidence presented by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden on The Intercept of mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is undeniable, and can stand on its own. But when you place this fresh evidence in the context of...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland
    The Ukrainian civil war discomforts me. It seems to me the most dangerous political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. And it’s because of our unwillingness to examine the issues in a holistic way. We innately prefer to...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man – the relationship intensifies
    John Key’s love affair with the straw man is now a fully-committed relationship. It’s now the first love of his life. Sorry Bronagh. Yesterday I pointed to Key’s constant assurances that there is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • A brief word on why Wendyl Nissen is a hero
    Wendyl Nissen is a hero. The sleazy black ops attack on her by Slater and Odgers on behalf of Grocery Council chief executive Katherine Rich is sick. All Nissen is doing in her column is point out the filth and...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • She saw John Key on TV and decided to vote!
    . . NZ, Wellington, 15 September – ‘Tina’* is 50, a close friend,  and one of the “Missing Million” from the last election. In fact, ‘Tina’ has never voted in her life.  Not once. In ‘Tina’s’ own words, politics has...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Eminem sues National Party for unlawful use of ‘Lose yourself’ bhahahah...
    …ahahahahahahahaha. Oh Christ this is hilarious… National Party sued over Eminem copyright infringment US rapper Eminem is suing the National Party for allegedly breaching copyright by using his song Lose Yourself in its campaign advertisements. The Detroit-based publishers of Eminem’s...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Are the Greens about to be snookered by a Labour-NZ First Government?
    I wrote last week that it was smart politics that the Greens pointed out they could work with National, the soft blue vote that’s looking for a home in the wake of Dirty Politics isn’t going to Labour, so the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • BLOGWATCH: Fonterra join 2Degrees and boycott Whaleoil
    In the wake of Dirty Politics, advertisers are pulling their advertising out of Whaleoil. PaknSave, Evo Cycles Pukekohe, Localist, 2 Degrees, Fertility Associates, iSentia, NZ Breast Cancer Foundation, Maori TV, Bookme.co.nz, Dobetter.co.nz and the Sound are now joined by Fonterra...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • PM Key accused of allowing secret ‘spook’ cable sensors to spy on citiz...
    Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald (left) and Kim Dotcom at the “moment of truth” political surveillance meeting in Auckland last night. Image: PMW By ANNA MAJAVU of Pacific Media Watch NEW ZEALAND Prime Minister John Key has been accused of...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Fiji pre-election ‘politics’ blackout stirs media protests, frustration
    BLACKOUT DAY – Monday, day one of the “silence window” in Fiji leading up to the close of polling in the general election at 6pm on Wednesday. And this is under the draconian threat of a $10,000 fine or five...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • “Now the work of movements begins”: government corruption, media bias, ...
    I am so tired of the dirty politics of the National government, aren’t you? I am tired of John Key and his pathetic attacks on award-winning journalists who have spent their careers fighting and digging for truth and good. The...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Moment of Truth review, smoking guns and the awful coverage by the NZ msm
      There were queues unlike any the Town Hall has seen, 1000 were turned away once it became full…     …full to the rafters. The energy and atmosphere within the room was extraordinary, and it begun…   …Glenn Greenwald...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Why Maori TV’s Te Tai Tokeraou Poll will be proved wrong
    If Hone Harawira had a dollar every time the media wrote off his chance of winning Te Tai Tokeraou, he would have more money than Kim Dotcom. Remember the by-election? Hone was 1 point ahead of Kelvin in an exact...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • September 15 RNZ interviews – and then the Moment of Truth
    . Acknowledgement: Emmerson . 15 September – Leading up to the Moment of Truth public meeting this evening, these Radio NZ interviews are worth listening to; . Alt link . Alt link . Alt link . Alt link . Alt...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Live Stream: Moment of Truth Tonight 7pm
    Live Video Stream by eCast: The Daily Blog will Live Stream the Moment of Trust public meeting from 7pm. The meeting will feature Glenn Greenwald, Kim Dotcom, Robert Amsterdam, and a very special guest…...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • The proof Key lied about GCSB mass surveillance
    And we start getting to the evidence that proves Key has lied about mass surveillance. The article by Glenn Greenwald is out and it is beyond damning… Documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden show that the government worked in...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • A brief word on the Ede-Slater emails
    Every day I have rushed to read the paper to see if a breaking story on the Ede-Slater emails had broken yet. They haven’t. Day after day, where are these emails? We know Rawshark sent the emails to David Fisher...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • The email that proves Key is a liar
    This is the Email proving Key knew about Kim Dotcom before he claims he did… “We had a really good meeting with the Prime Minister. He’s a fan and we’re getting what we came for. Your groundwork in New Zealand...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Henchmen
    Henchmen...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Why it simply isn’t credible that Key stepped in and shut down the mass s...
    Key’s staggering admission that yes there was a year long business model by the GCSB to mass spy on all of NZ but  that he stepped in and shut it down after Cabinet had signed it off just sounds like make...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man
    Politicians like putting up straw men for the purpose of self-righteously knocking them over. Prime Minister John Key has a particular straw man he loves to punch over. He raises it whenever he’s asked about mass surveillance of New Zealanders...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • John Armstrong turns on Glenn Greenwald
    Where does a mediocre journalist like John Armstrong get off attacking a journalist with the credibility of Glenn Greenwald as he has in his ridiculous column today? Armstrong has the audacity to try and play the terrorism card to justify why...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – Which of John Key’s many statements on the GC...
    We already have Glenn Greenwald’s assertion on The Nation that John Key has misled New Zealanders as to whether the GCSB has engaged in mass surveillance of Kiwis. But Key has made many other statements about the GCSB’s powers and...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Election 2014: Numbers and Faces
    Democratic politics is a game of numbers and faces. How can we translate the numbers into the 120 or more faces that will be in the next Parliament? Below is my prediction of a likely result: 120 people, divided by...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Scotland the brave
    The possibility that Scotland will vote for independence this Thursday has panicked the British establishment. An unholy alliance of Tory, Labour, Liberal and corporate leaders has resorted to fear-mongering and bullying on grand scale in a last ditch effort to...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Why Key’s denials sound so off and why Dotcom’s fight is all our fight
    The shrillness of Key is the issue. His denials just too forced and rehearsed. Key has gone from Hollow Man to Shallow Man with his lashing out at Pulitzer Price winning Journalist Glenn Greenwald by calling him a ‘henchman’. This...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Letters to the Editor – Spies, Lies, Five Eyes, and other matters on a S...
    . . Sharing a few thoughts and observations with newspaper editors around the country… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com>to: Sunday Star Times <letters@star-times.co.nz>date: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The Editor Sunday Star Times . Our...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Letters to the Editor – Spies, Lies, Five Eyes, and other matters on a Su...
    . . Sharing a few thoughts and observations with newspaper editors around the country… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com>to: Sunday Star Times <letters@star-times.co.nz>date: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The Editor Sunday Star Times . Our...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • As TDB predicted, Labour to use universal super fund to buy back assets and...
    Greens about to be snookered again?   As The Daily Blog has pointed out several times now, Labour will use a universal super fund to buy back NZs assets in a bid to offer Winston a legacy project… Labour plans...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • A lesson in caring for our most vulnerable
    Some of the comments on this article make me sick. Because I am so very much over people who think they are better than others because things have gone their way in life and think those who aren’t as functional...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Please vote positive
    One of the features of campaigning is the meet-the-candidates event.  As an opportunity to present policies to the voter, they aren’t the best vehicle but still serve a useful purpose.  The problem is that there are too many candidates and...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • For this who don’t vote this election
    For this who don’t vote this election...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Where does Key get off abusing a Pulitzer prize winning Journalist like Gle...
    We are seeing the Dirty Politics PM today when Key decided the best way to counter the Glenn Greenwald claims of GCSB mass surveillance was to denigrate Greenwald… Prime Minister John Key says he will prove Glenn Greenwald’s claims by the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Teflon Man No More
    . .   On 26 August, as Nicky Hager’s expose on New Zealand’s right wing politics hit public consciousness and confirmed our worst fears, I wrote, “Dirty Politics” has achieved more than simply revealing  unwholesome machinations between National party apparatchiks,...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Dear mainstream media – regarding Key’s promise to resign if GCSB expos...
    Dear Mainstream media. How’s it all going? I would like to acknowledge the deep depression many members of the Press Gallery are going through as their boy Key looks less and less likely to win. I appreciate how a loss...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • It’s official: ACT’s Jamie Whyte is several-sandwiches-and-a-salad sho...
    .   . There aren’t very many times I agree wholeheartedly with our Dear Leader – but on this occassion I believe he spoke for those 99% of New Zealanders for whom common sense is as natural as breathing air....
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • ‘I’ll not be intimidated … by cowards’, says Fiji death threat jour...
    Fiji Sun’s Jyoti Pratibha … death threats via fake Facebook profiles. Image: Pacific Scoop THE PARIS-based media freedom advocacy organisation Reporters Sans Frontières and the Pacific Media Centre have condemned threats and intimidation against political reporters this week covering Fiji’s...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Glenn Greenwald on TV3s ‘The Nation’ – Everyone remember when Key pro...
    Glenn Greenwald has just given his first NZ interview on TV3s ‘The Nation’ and what he had to say was incredibly damaging. Glenn is here for Kim Dotcom’s Moment of Truth on Monday and what he has just had to...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • What will soft National vote do, why Colin Craig will be a focus in final w...
    In what has been the most unpredictable elections of our time, the final week promises more shocks and bombshells than World War One trench warfare. We have the media who still have the Rawshark emails that detail the Ede-Slater exchanges....
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Would a National-Conservative Party reduce rights to an abortion? Legalise ...
    With the possibility of a Conservative-National Party coalition looming, let’s consider the impact of this new hard right religious Government on social policy. We know Conservative Party candidate Edward Saafi, believes the inability to legally bash your kids is responsible for teenage prostitution, teenage pregnancy and...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • ACTs solution to crime – more guns?
    How insane are the ACT Party? Honestly? Their solution to crime is to arm every shop keeper with a sawn off shotgun??? “Criminals are well aware that shopkeepers are defenceless and are taking advantage of this in brutal robberies. What...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • John Key’s gift to teenage girls…
    Yesterday I was at the MANA Movement policy release on “Predators on Poverty” in the Otahuhu Shopping Centre. Successive Labour and National governments have left vulnerable communities on their own to face these merciless thieves who prey on the poor...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Poverty denial – Where does National get its advice from?
    National is displaying a quite inadequate understanding of their own policies and worrying inability to respond to criticism. When John Key trots out his old, tired example of how ‘work pays’ on Morning Report this week to justify leaving 260,000...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Education reformers mean well, so what’s the problem?
    The thing about education reformers is that, mostly, they mean well. Whether it’s charter schools, National Standards, Teach First, or another reform, many people involved have good intentions.  They want to improve things, try something new and innovate, they say. The thing...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • My brain hurts
    My brain hurts.  This election year has been a really long nine months.  The lies, the headlines, the spin, the policy, the chat, I am literally overloaded with information.  At times it’s been exhausting trying to keep up.  However I...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Pregnancy Help Welcomes Green Party Packs for Newborn Babies
    Pregnancy Help applauds Metiria Turei acknowledging that “for many parents the birth of a new child is a highly stressful and financially straining time” and the desire for every child to thrive....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • McVicar Welcomes ASA Decision
    Napier Conservative Party Candidate Garth McVicar welcomes the Advertising Standards Authority’s decision to not uphold the pamphlet complaint of Robert Johnson, Campaign Manager for Napier Labour candidate Stuart Nash. The ASA acknowledged that one complaint...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Whyte: In 12 months’ time, here is what will matter
    In three days’ time I will be elected along with a number of ACT MPs. I think the media will be surprised and ask how it happened?...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Internet MANA Will Grant Special Residency to Edward Snowden
    Internet MANA will put the case to the new government to welcome global surveillance whistle blower Edward Snowden, granting him safe passage and residency in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Ten millionth traveller uses SmartGate
    The 10 millionth traveller to pass through SmartGate, Customs’ automated passenger processing system, was greeted by Customs Manager Passenger Operations, Peter Lewis today at Auckland International Airport....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Key vs. Cunliffe: Final Live NZ Election Reactor 7pm Tonight
    John Key and David Cunliffe go head to head for the last time tonight and you can decide who wins by driving the worm. This is the last live Election Reactor covering the debate tonight at 7pm on TV One....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Offenders Get Road Safety Message
    Wellington Community Corrections partnered with emergency services, government agencies, organisations and Kapiti Coast District Council to deliver an innovative road safety programme to 70 community-based offenders at Southwards Car Museum on Tuesday 16...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Proposed law to decriminalise Abortion
    http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news2011/politics_news/12/q_a_interview__list_mp_jan_logie_n2.jpgRight to Life is disappointed that the Green Party is refusing to provide a response to the seven very important questions that have been addressed to Jan Logie, spokesperson...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Election 2014 Will Be Costly
    The Taxpayers’ Union has today released the final update for its ' Bribe-O-Meter ' election costing website in the lead-up to Saturday’s general election. Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Roy Morgan Poll September 17
    John Key set to win narrow election victory on Saturday as Labour/Greens slump puts Winston Peters in powerful position as NZ First surge to 8% Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows National (46.5%, up 1.5%) set to win a...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Wahakura Package would provide warm welcome for babies
    The Greens Wahakura Welcome package announced yesterday is a wonderful example of child-centred policy which would help all children get a fair and equal start in life, says Child Poverty Action Group. CPAG health spokesperson Innes Asher says,...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • TPPA a Sellout to American Corporate Greed
    New Zealand will become a permanent prisoner to the United States’ greed and global arrogance if the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) isn’t stopped, warns Internet MANA....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Wintry showers and blustery winds for Election Day
    As we head towards the weekend, it is time to look at what the weather will be for New Zealand's "Have Your Say" Day....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New national secretary announced
    The PSA is pleased to announce the appointment of Erin Polaczuk to the role of national secretary....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Public Secotr & TISA: On the cusp of something very special?
    Is the National Party keeping some things out of sight in case they frighten the electorate? Here is some worrying evidence that this may be the case....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • MPI ups yacht biosecurity ante
    Yachts arriving in Northland from overseas this season will face greater biosecurity scrutiny, says the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI)....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • iPredict Election Update
    John Key’s National Party now has an 88% probability of leading the next government , most probably with the support of NZ First, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. There...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Crowdfunding to Save Native Fish
    NZ Landcare Trust is offering an exciting project designed to assist native fish, as part of the launch of a new global crowdfunding category called 'The Landcare & Environment Collection.' This exciting step, aims to help raise funds and support,...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New methods needed to reach non-voters
    Non-voters are much heavier users of the internet than those who do vote, while 43 per cent of non-voters say they never read a newspaper according to research released today by the Election Data Consortium....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Parties sent home with report cards
    More than 2000 New Zealanders came together to run a full page ad in the Herald today asking all Parties what they will commit to do to clean up politics. The answers are in, and ActionStation has graded Parties on...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • One in 10 Kiwis want Winston Peters to Run the Country -Poll
    New Zealand First leader, Winston Peters has seen his personal popularity reach a three-year high in the final 3News/Reid Research poll ahead of Election Day....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Shut Down This Govt Not Kaiti WINZ
    "I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can" is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • New methods needed to reach non-voters
    Non-voters are much heavier users of the internet than those who do vote, while 43 per cent of non-voters say they never read a newspaper according to research released today by the Election Data Consortium....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Conservatives Break Through 5% Threshold
    Reports in today’s Dominion Post that the Conservative Party is polling at 6% in Nationals internal polling are not surprising says the Conservative Napier candidate Garth McVicar....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • IGIS: No Indiscriminate Interception of NZers’ Data Found
    “As part of my role as Inspector-General, I review whether the GCSB complies with the restrictions upon interception of New Zealanders’ communications and with the requirement to intercept communications only for authorised purposes. That review...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Conservatives Break through 5% Threshold
    Reports in today’s Dominion Post that the Conservative Party is polling at 6% in Nationals internal polling are not surprising says the Conservative Napier candidate Garth McVicar....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Hundreds of Students Turn Out for Political Debate
    With only a few days left before the general election, over 500 Victoria students packed the central Hub space on campus today to listen to a political debate on student issues organised by the Students’ Association. Victoria University of Wellington...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Ex-prisoners make most of mentoring to make most of life
    It’s not every day that an organisation triples a programme in size, but PARS Inc (formerly known as the Prisoners’ Aid and Rehabilitation Society of the Auckland District Inc) has managed to do just that with their Community Mentoring Scheme,...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Unscrupulous worker highlights why 90-days works
    Federated Farmers believes the experience of a husband and wife farming team in Taranaki underscores why the 90-days provision is so important to small businesses. “Yesterday a member called 0800 FARMING to alert us to a guy doing the rounds...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Eye to Eye Uploaded
    Leading Maori broadcaster and political commentator Willie Jackson previews Eye to Eye Uploaded, a multi-platform series of interviews that he’s aiming to put in front of media radars next year....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Party Rankings against Inequality
    Revealed: which party will do the most to reduce New Zealand’s growing inequality crisis...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Maritime Union backs change of Government
    The Maritime Union says a change of Government is required to deliver secure jobs and decent wages for New Zealand workers....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Green Party package for newborns welcomed
    16 September 2014 Media Release The New Zealand College of Midwives has welcomed a policy announced today by the Green Party which would provide a package of essential items for every newborn baby. The College is a non partisan organisation...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • ALCP Release Election Manifesto
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party has released its manifesto in the lead up to the election on Saturday....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Election Daily Update #9
    John Key’s National Party appears to have received a major boost from last night’s “Moment of Truth” event, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Despite no major changes...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Eminem Publishers Sue New Zealand National Party
    Detroit-based music publishing companies sue National Party for damages for unauthorised use of song in election campaign advertising...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Parties Back Rethink of WINZ Shared Care Parenting Laws
    Overwhelming Majority of Parties Back Rethink of WINZ Shared Care Parenting Laws. Press release- Fifty Fifty Campaign, 16 September 2014 National is the only political party willing to defend the way WINZ treats separated parents who share their kids...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Parents Smacking Down Prime Minister
    "John Keys failure to deliver on his promise to change the anti-smacking law is costing National votes, and helping the Conservative Party," says Colin Craig....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Political Debate on Family Violence – Video & Audio
    The Dunedin Collaboration Against Family Violence was happy to host a political debate on Family Violence chaired by Professor Nicola Atwool of the University of Otago. Family Violence is a huge problem in our community and we invited representatives...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Greens Take Nanny State To A New Level
    Family First NZ is labelling the Green’s ‘welcome package’ for newborns policy as wasteful and misdirected. “This policy is taking ‘nanny state’ to a new level but indicates just how much the Greens want to intervene in family life,”...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • 2,100 people send message about dirty politics
    2,100 people have signed their name to a full-page open letter featuring in the New Zealand Herald this Wednesday. The letter is designed to send a message to politicians that dirty politics is an important election issue....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Are DoC manipulating Rat Numbers?
    Ban 1080 Political Party co-leader Bill Wallace says there are serious rumours DoC has changed their rat counting technique to cover up the lack of the mythical “Rat Plague” claimed by the Department in Kahurangi National Park, and also that...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Average Full time Student Is in Financial Distress
    A new survey has found that nearly half of all full time students are in significant financial distress....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Key and Cunliffe, research revealed by Ancestry.com.au
    Contrasting family histories of John Key and David Cunliffe, revealed by research from Ancestry.com.au....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Revelations a Damning Indictment of Key’s Honesty
    The Prime Minister’s honesty is now central to the election, says Internet Party Leader Laila Harré, following the revelations of whistleblower Edward Snowden that there is mass surveillance of New Zealand citizens by the GCSB....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Organisations Have ‘Duty of Care’ for Players says Law Firm
    Concussion injuries in amateur and professional sporting arenas are currently highly topical. Concussion potentially appears to have been implicit in the recent death of a young player in Northland....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Media Release from Closing the Gap on Health and Housing
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