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Reshuffle for unity

Written By: - Date published: 11:28 am, February 19th, 2013 - 228 comments
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As you all know I haven’t been the biggest cheerleader for Labour in recent times. And let’s not beat around the bush. I still have my concerns. But there’s a real opportunity on the near horizon. There’s hope for Labour yet. While the plan for the reshuffle before the vote was clearly punitive  things may have changed. Indeed they should have.

To win the party needs to unify. We all need to bury the hatchet and get on with bringing down this awful awful National government.

That unification starts with the leadership. Yes, they’ve ignored us. No, we didn’t elect them. And yes, the main guy can’t string a sentence together (Jesus tap-dancing Christ). But there’s still time for the leadership to prove to us they’re adult enough, and care enough about the Labour Party, to ignore the Goffs and Mallards and bring the caucus together.

It’s well known that 10 or 11 members of caucus did not give confidence to David Shearer as leader. He might be tempted to punish them in the upcoming reshuffle.

Shearer should go with his instinct and do the opposite.

Helen Clark put her main contender, Dr Michael Cullen, at number 2. And it worked. Superbly. Other leaders of the right, Phil Goff and Annette King were 3 and 4 once Steve Maharey retired. That was a bloody strong front row. They may have not been the best of friends but they knuckled down and did the job the party needed them to do.

To win, Labour must unify. To win Labour must use the best talent caucus has. Shearer should promote some of those capable members even if they have been part of the group pushing for change. Even if that means dislodging some of his own lieutenants. Because that is real leadership. And that is playing to Shearer’s strengths as a negotiator and deal breaker.

If he does the right job now, he may yet be remembered well.   And Labour might finally be in a position to take the fight to National.

Update: Oh dear. Chauvel is a big loss to Labour. He’s resigned rather than accept demotion. It should be the old guard moving out of Parliament, not young talented MPs with a future like Chauvel. This reinforces need to unify rather than punish and demote out of insecurity. It’s also a real shame because Dunne’s now a dead cert for another term. And it leaves Labour very under-powered on the legal front – as far as I know, only Parker, Dalziel, Huo and Little have law degrees and none of them are constitutional lawyers dying to be Shadow Attorney-General.

228 comments on “Reshuffle for unity”

  1. King Kong 1

    You guys lost. It’s head on spikes time.

    Cuddling up to the plotters who have done enormous damage to the Labour party will just prove to everyone that this kind of treachery goes unpunished.

    • One Tāne Huna 1.1


      • McFlock 1.1.1

        Actually, KK presented the alternative leadership option.
        Although personally I don’t think shearer has the elan to pull it off, so some measure of reconciliation might happen. Probably promote one or two of the suspected ten to provide a bit of balance.

      • Addison 1.1.2

        WHat do rats and sinking ships have in common with Charles Chauvel and Labour?

    • Tom Gould 1.2

      This is less about Shearer and more about Cunliffe. He needs to prove his loyalty and regain his leader’s confidence. What has he done to achieve these? Nothing by all accounts. So he should stay on the back benches, until he wakes up, parks his ego, and decides to be a team player. Same goes for his tiny band of disciples.

      • AmaKiwi 1.2.1

        @ Tom Gould

        What will the leader the members did NOT choose do to prove his loyalty to us?

        • Tom Gould

          As far as I am aware, members of the party who are not members of the caucus are unable to be appointed to spokesperson roles in the reshuffle.

      • TimD 1.2.2

        So Cunniliffe should stay at the back while all the other potential leaders can have a go at Shearer? He’ll have his hands full trying to bfend the challengers off. Not.
        I can fully understand why you’d do nothing – give the guy enough rope to hang himself with.
        I wonder if you’ll see some sort of breakaway group like Jim Anderton’s progressives, with DC leading it?

        • The Al1en

          “I wonder if you’ll see some sort of breakaway group like Jim Anderton’s progressives, with DC leading it?”

          Sadly, David assures me he won’t.

      • JBug 1.2.3

        I don’t think 10 is tiny – and you could probably guess there would be a few more out there who might have voted against Shearer at another time. If I were Shearer, I would be looking to unify the party not divide it further by kowtowing to the old-guard clique.

    • Enough is Enough 1.3

      What treachery was that? Oh that’s right there was none.

      Shearer should be gone and almost everyone who wants National gone agrees with that. However if he is going to be there he needs the best of caucus right beside him answering those questions he trips over on a daily basis. He must bring his ‘enemies’ close because he sure as shit can’t do it without them (I am far from convinced he can do it with them to be honest).

      • McFlock 1.3.1

        Shearer should be gone and almost everyone who wants National gone agrees with that

        [citation needed]

        • Bill

          Sheesh McFlock! On the basis that ‘ts’ is fairly representative of the thoughts and sentiments on the left around this issue – and given that the noble defenders of Shearer and ‘his’ labour Party on ‘ts’ can be counted…hmm, if not on one hand then certainly on less than two… then the “almost everyone” qualifier in the claim about who thinks what seems entirely fair and appropriate, no?

          • McFlock

            Pretty thin basis.
            Don’t get me wrong, “ts” is an important forum, but not everybody who dislikes the government is a leftwing politico-geek. In fact such folk are probably a small minority of “everyone who wants national gone”.

        • The Al1en

          I’m one of them

  2. One Tāne Huna 2

    Well said Eddie.

  3. xtasy 3

    Despair and a heck of a lot of unanswered questions, and being kind of ignored when asking for answers from MPs in Labour, that does sadly not make for fertile grounds to let much hope germinate.

    Shearer’s very last chance to save his face, perhaps, it seems, with this “re-shuffle”.

    What cards though are there to “shuffle”? Well, I will rather focus on other topics than this one.

  4. Agreed entirely Eddie and the corollary is that if MPs who are not part of ABC are demoted without cause then the immediate future for the party is bleak.

    EDIT: This must be the first time ever that an author has linked to Pete George’s site in a post!

    [lprent: Probably. ]

  5. Raymond a Francis 5

    Unlike King Kong I think what you suggest is the only way Labour can win and have an at least two term time on Government benches

    • Polish Pride 5.1

      “what you suggest is the only way Labour can win and have an at least two term time on Government benches”…..before National get back in and they are again in opposition.

      ….little to the left, little to the right, little to the left, little to the right. A little tinkering here a little tinkering there but nothing really changes. What you have said is a big part of why the system doesn’t work and the real problems never get resolved.

  6. chris73 6

    To win the party needs to unify. We all need to bury the hatchet and get on with bringing down this awful awful National government.

    – Shearer will string a coherent sentence together before that ever happens


    – Tell you what if you make me leader I promise to do a better job
    (if Shearers reading this the correct answer is…No)

    • felixviper 6.1

      He’s never going to face an easier question than that.



      • Colonial Viper 6.1.1

        If a junior backbencher had said that there absolutely was space in the Labour Caucus for MPs with homophobic attitudes I’m sure it would have gone down well.

    • the sprout 6.2

      Good post Eddie, sound advice.
      Faith that Team Shearer will follow that advice: zero.

  7. Roflcopter 7

    Charles Chauvel gone….

    • Roflcopter 7.1

      Well, it said he was gone…. but now the “he’s gone” has gone.

      Going for lunch.

        • chris73

          I’m saddened that he had to quit because of the rampant homophobia allowed under Shearer… ;)

        • King Kong

          Thats what happens when you back the wrong horse. A good lesson for many on here.

          [it must be one of the great tragedies of your life that you were born too late and in the wrong country to be a bully boy for a totalitarian state. JH]

          [lprent: Looking at all of his comments in this post, they have been pure assertion troll comments without any argument designed to start flames. Not acceptable behaviour and something he has been banned for before.

          Banned for (ummmm looks up previous data) 6 weeks. That should give him time to learn to troll elsewhere.. ]

          • fenderviper

            Well it’s better than backing the “right” horse that ends up running the wrong way.

          • bad12

            Now that brings on a bout of hilarity, at you KK, next time i tell you your clock has just struck 2 minutes to 12 as i did yesterday you should seriously learn to pull your head in,

            Most of us here are happy to debate with you or anyone else from the right around the matter of ‘facts’ but your continual post-jacking solely based around smart-arse remarks makes reading the posts very laborious…

            • higherstandard

              You are a fact free zone who spits abuse at anyone you perceive to be from a different team. Truly a blog based spanner of monumental proportions.

              • bad12

                Because you are so insipid in ‘fact’ and in personality i estimate your clock to remain at 10 to midnight,

                Try harder wont you, as you self destructing by copping a moderators spanking will only serve to improve the level of comment in the Standard and make it a far better read even when not commenting…

                  • The Al1en

                    Get fucked much?

                  • bad12

                    That just makes me laugh all the harder at you, gosh out of a zillion comments i have made on this site you have managed to trawl through them all and bring us a little % with the word f**k in them,

                    I should be really touched by the effort but am not and have to really consider that you are really ‘touched’ to have gone to such effort which in the end is pointless,

                    Or have you actually got a point???, there has to be a first time right???…

                    • higherstandard

                      Effort ?… it takes 10 seconds within the Standard’s search function …….. surely even an illiterate cusser such as yourself could do it easily.

                    • bad12

                      Is that right, oh hardly illiterate, i do cuss occasionally as you say but what’s the actual point besides having me laugh at you all the more…

                    • higherstandard

                      The point is you are an ass, a blip on the blogscape, a buffoon with a special genius for the provision of macrology.

                    • bad12

                      Lolz if i was so insignificant figure you wouldn’t have spent half the night attempting to denigrate me,

                      The point felix makes is valid why don’t you provide a valid reply, besides knowing like we do that a reply will just expose even more of your banal insipid stupidity that is…

                    • higherstandard

                      Everyone and thing on this blog is insignificant in the greater scheme of things.

                      I spent 5 minutes playing with you for the fun of it.

                      Why the tame tr0ll felt the need to leap your defense is most likely due to having finished his curry and post dinner glue sniffing. He never deems it necessary to give me a straight answer and repeatedly lies hence I don’t bother much with him apart from the baiting.

                    • felixviper

                      It’s astounding, I lie all the time but dear old Dr higherstandard has never been able to point out an example of it.

                      I expect that’s just because he doesn’t have the time or inclination to go searching around on blogs for examples of people saying things…

                      And yes, the glue was excellent.

                  • felixviper

                    I don’t understand, hs.

                    What’s wrong with saying “fuck”?

                    • higherstandard

                      Depends where and when it’s said.

                    • felixviper

                      But your search results are for anyuse of the word connected to bad12.

                      So I ask again, specifically related to this discussion, in the context of your search parameters: What’s wrong with saying “fuck”?

                    • higherstandard

                      Depends where and when it’s said.

                    • felixviper

                      Not according to your search parameters. They tell us that it depends who says it, nothing else was factored in.

                      Of course if you actually have an opinion on where and when and how it’s wrong or right to use the word – for anyone I mean, not just for bad12 – then you could tell us all about how that works and why bad12’s use of it falls into the “wrong” category.

                      But I think we both know you won’t because we both know that all you really do here is sarcastic personal abuse, political disinterest, and occasional fear of lesbians.

          • Rogue Trooper

            they will be missed…maybe Not!

          • Huginn

            Thank you, Lynn

            • Rodel

              Thanks….I ‘ll start reading again for 6 weeks.One gets tired of seeing KK nothingness.

  8. Arfamo 8

    Chauvel’s departure no doubt will be seen by many voters as a vote with his feet on Labour’s prospects at the next election.

  9. Bill 9

    Call me a [insert] optimist, but “creek”; “without a paddle” and “blood on the floor” keep circling in my mind.

    Simply on the grounds that Chauvel’s resignation seems a bit ‘out of the blue’ to me, I have to ask: Was he one of the Shearer/Robertson crew? Was he perceiving a watery future and striking out for safer drier lands? Are others raising their gazes and searching out new horizons too?

    Pfft, this optimism thing’s a pain!

    • higherstandard 9.1

      Nah he just saw a larger more secure trough to gorge at.

      • Bill 9.1.1

        Maybe so. Anyway. According to the ODT he previously backed Cunliffe. Optimism going down the gurgler.

      • gobsmacked 9.1.2

        HS, if he only wanted to “trough” he would have kept his head down, sung the praises of the current leadership, and waited for Father Time.

        Politcians aren’t all venal. Sometimes they just can’t keep a straight face any more, when they have to keep lying about how great things are.

        • higherstandard

          He’ll have fun at the UN, do less work and be paid considerably more. ……….. why should he have stayed in NZ ?

    • xtasy 9.2

      Bill: In the NZ Herald story just out now, he is quoted as having been a supporter of the David Cunliffe challenge to Shearer! Now that is stuff to think about now.

      • Bill 9.2.1

        Aye. Like I say. Optimism. Gurgler. :-(

        • xtasy

          Well, can you not see that enormous amount of convincing, contageous charisma radiate from the leader’s face, and wise words with decisive, clear messages come out of his mouth?

          Have another beer, mate, that is if it would not impact harmfully on your health! I think I may soon need it.

  10. xtasy 10

    Charles Chauvel was in my eyes a very promising MP for Labour, although at times a bit timid.

    I am just wondering, is this the beginning of the Cunliffe supporters, maybe David Cunliffe also himself, leaving the “sinking ship”???


    A good job at the UN rather than leading NZ into a better future, that maybe a good choice for Charles in some ways, perhaps for greater ambitions and good intentions. But it looks to me, that he has given up on a promising career as senior member of NZ’s second most poverful party (presently, and so far).

    This is NOT a good sign for Labour!

  11. gobsmacked 11

    Chauvel quits, and yet the dead wood hangs on.

    This is about more than Shearer. Labour’s rump are dedicated to self-preservation, at the expense of both party and country, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it, except wait for them to quit or die.

    Good luck to those who are fighting the good fight from within the party, but it’s going to be a long, long battle.

  12. wobble 12

    It’s sad to see Charles go, when so many many of the old guard are holding on for their dear lives.

    I guess it’s part of the problem. Talented MPs have somewhere else to be.

  13. Kevin Welsh 13

    Does any amount of reshuffling really matter when you have a leader who seems incapable of stringing a meaningful sentence together?

    • Arfamo 13.1

      No. Sad, but there it is. The ABC camp has locked itself and the party to a mumbling, bumbling election-loser who hasn’t been able to define what Labour stands for or who it represents as fundamentally any different from the Natzys. If they’d hung on to Goff I reckon they’d be doing better in the polls by now than under Shearer’s “leadership”.

  14. Addison 14

    What will be of major interest will be who replaces him! The next on the list, a dyed in the wool unionist, or will the list be massaged again to throw up a Shearer man/ woman? It could be another bad week for Mr Shearer!

  15. George D 15


    Fuck you Labour. Fuck you Mallard and Hipkins, you talentless pieces of shit. Fuck you Mumblefuck.

    Fuck the lot of them. Let it burn.

    • Tom Gould 15.1

      So does that mean you won’t be voting Labour in 2014?

      • mallard/hater. 15.1.1

        Tom gould, yup that means labour wont get my vote first time ever .cunliff is a better man and should have been leader.

        [lprent: putting you into auto-moderation until you can demonstrate that you can restrain your duplication problems. Just filed a two more into the trash. ]

        • George D

          It was an outburst of anger. I’m not proud of it, but it’s here now. See my comments below for a slightly more reasoned take.

      • AmaKiwi 15.1.2

        It means after donating thousands of hours and thousands of dollars I will NOT be party voting Labour unless there is new leadership (unlikely).

        Colin Craig (Conservative Party) is poking around on Labour and National’s vulnerable flank: MPs failure to represent their constituents.


        Will the Greens pick up on this, too?

        If either Labour or National tried to claim they are democratic, the laughter at their hypocrisy would be deafening.

    • mallard/hater. 15.2

      Go george g , ever so frkn tru my man u just made my day :)

      [lprent: removed your dups. ]

  16. xtasy 16

    It was not my intention to comment further after my first one in this thread. But the sudden, unexpected resignation of Charles Chauvel raises yet more questions about what goes on within caucus, and how the “chemistry” is between members of it in the Labour Party.

    It seems to me that Shearer may also simply have or bring bad “karma”.

    Whenever there is any suggestion of him having done, or being able to do something decisive and positive, like a smart re-shuffle, there is suddenly some news or developments, that throw everything in disarray again, so any “credit”, hope or prospects get(s) shot to pieces again.

    Bomber Bradbury, are you perhaps also having a new plan in regards to party policies – or perhaps founding an new left party with prospects for this country, after announcing this promising new blog this morning? I am praying, I am praying, I am despairing.

    • Colonial Viper 16.1

      Whenever there is any suggestion of him having done, or being able to do something decisive and positive, like a smart re-shuffle, there is suddenly some news or developments, that throw everything in disarray again, so any “credit”, hope or prospects get(s) shot to pieces again.

      And note how Key has just the opposite – good luck even in stormy seas. This match up is not going to go well.

      • xtasy 16.1.1

        Yes, sadly Key gets away with almost anything, having also the media mostly go softly, softly on him. It does not look like a good, equal and exciting match, it looks like a game few will bother going to watch in 2014.

  17. George D 17

    Hmm, I guess I’m angry, and wanted to shout at someone.

    I know that he wasn’t liked by everyone – his personality put a few offside, and that others thought he had less talent than the superstar he was supposed when he entered politics, but he was certainly ahead of most of his party.

    I’m also quite upset at the profound failure of Shearer’s leadership this represents. This represents a major fuckup though. You want to be able to manage such things if you’re a leader, and hold on to your MPs. And when they do want to resign, you want some control over that too. There obviously wasn’t the trust to negotiate a shared departure.

    • McFlock 17.1

      What’s a “shared departure”?

      Isn’t this a resignation announced shortly before a reshuffle (unless I missed it)? What’s so bad about that?

      • The Fan Club 17.1.1

        Fact it’s stomped all over the A-G’s report on pokies deal & the Chch school closures news.

        • Socialist Paddy

          So Fan Club Chauvel should have put up with the petty backstabbing and the undermining and bullying just so Shearer would get a good headline?

          Fecks sake man. There is something terribly wrong and blaming the losing side for it is stupid, rude and damaging to the party.

      • George D 17.1.2

        A shared departure is what Nicola Roxon and Chris Evan’s resignations looked like two weeks back. You tell the leader, who tries to talk you out of it and tries to offer you things that might make you stay. If this fails, the leader organises a press conference and summons the media. You might even negotiate with the leader for a good time, and they come along and say goodbye. It’s obvious that there was insufficient trust between them for this to occur, and thus the whole process was a unilateral one.

        • McFlock

          Those two names don’t ring a bell, but ok.

          Looks like KK might have been right – Team Cunliffe folks packing up and leaving. Which means at least caucus will be slightly more coordinated.

          • Te Reo Putake

            Aussie Labor ministers. Resigned a fortnight ago, just after Gillard announced the election date. Roxon would have been PM one day, if she’d stayed.

          • Colonial Viper

            Looks like KK might have been right – Team Cunliffe folks packing up and leaving. Which means at least caucus will be slightly more coordinated.

            Ahhhh, a version of Muldoon’s famous line about people who leave.

            • McFlock


              Simply an observation that groups that have less internal division can act in a more consistent and cooperative manner. Which is the outcome that this post seems to ask for: (at least apparent or relative) unity.

              But then if you read the “improves the iq of both countries” line into that fairly obvious statement, then methinks (as if I didn’t already) that the problem with Shearer is more your perspective than anything about him in reality.

    • gobsmacked 17.2

      But George, you were the guy at Imperator Fish telling us to shut up now and support Shearer.

      Maybe some of us recognize that when something can’t be saved, then silence is not loyalty.

      It all comes down to this – can Labour/Shearer survive and succeed by papering over the cracks? Day after day, week after week, for two years and beyond, can Labour/Shearer somehow get away with being dysfunctional?

      Some think so (or pretend they do), but those of us who don’t think so get pretty tired of being told we’re the ones to blame, and if we all kept quiet about the shambles, then the shambles would stop.

      • George D 17.2.1

        I tried to publish it here first, actually. I believe that we on the left have a duty to create governments on the left that deliver to our country what we believe in. Negative blog comments almost never help that aim – I’m actually sorry for my outburst above.

        As we’ve learned many times, the only way to create change is to organise. Words here don’t change things; organised action changes things. It’s still up to Labour members to decide whether that action is for or against the current leadership.

        • Te Reo Putake

          Nicely put George. It’s worth remembering that LP members now have a say in policy. We may have missed the opportunity to get the leader we wanted, but we can still determine what we take to the voters next year.

          • George D

            You have at least one AGM before Labour is in power again – I encourage you to make full use of them.

  18. Rob 18

    What has Charles done in the last two years?

    How about the last 5?

  19. Elizabeth Bourchier Real Labour 19

    Darien Fenton for Attorney General.

  20. alex 20

    Are we sure that Chauvel was actually that valuable? The biggest story I can remember him being involved with was him shouting at a child on a plane.

    • Tigger 20.1

      That’s all the media saw fit to present, alex. Charles was an incredibly talented lawyer and did a lot of work behind the scenes. Remember, politicans pass laws…

      Such a loss. Now the only high profile gay male in Parliament with a law focus is the Nat who voted against gay marriage…

    • alwyn 20.2

      Give him a break. An acquaintance of mine was on the flight and said that Charles looked severely hung over.
      When you are in that state it is hardly surprising that you get upset when they allow kids up near the front of the plane and they upset their betters.
      Might just have been flu of course.

  21. irascible 21

    There are times that I think many of the commentators on this thread would rather remain as opposition rather than government because they can only be secure as critics of the party they ostensibly support while being mortally afraid to truly grasp the spokes of power and responsibility. It is, for such as these, easier to remain “pure” to their belief that opposition is the best place to remain than to actually take part in constructive policy building and active campaigning in order to get a Labour Party government elected. It does beggar the mind somewhat!!!

    • Arfamo 21.1

      It is no longer sufficient for parties to seek voter support on the basis of their party name. Shearer clearly cannot get votes on the basis of his eloquence, his wit, his appearance, his team leadership skills, or his self-confidence. So he needs to define what a vote for Labour under his leadership will mean.

      By comparison, Key can argue that under his leadership big business will prosper, everyone will benefit from the trickledown effects, smarmy remarks will be his style, and everybody but the already wealthy will continue to become progressively poorer. It’s a huge target. And Shearer hasn’t been able to score a bullseye yet.

  22. KhandallaViper 22

    “And that is playing to Shearer’s strengths as a negotiator and deal breaker.”

    That is very important, Bill. We have welcomed David for this aspect of his back-ground.

    Now s the time for him to apply it.

    • Socialist Paddy 22.1

      You mean like when he had the chance as the former UN big guy leader in the middle east to respond to Richard Tosser’s tosh and he said “If it was in anywhere else – perhaps even in New Zealand – it could incite violence”?

      Give me strength.

      This is meant to be the area of Shearer’s strength, you know international relations and the middle east and mango skins and nice guy and all that. And he fecked up.

      I repeat, give me strength. Are we meant to go out to battle for him?

  23. Te Reo Putake 23

    “It’s well known that 10 or 11 members of caucus did not give confidence to David Shearer as leader.”

    Is it? I’ve not seen a skerrick of evidence (WO and KB don’t count).

    “He might be tempted to punish them in the upcoming reshuffle.”

    If it a) happened

    and b) he knows the names (secret ballot, remember)

  24. michael 24

    Labour in 2017 then? Will the caucus be united behind a leader who can run a government?

    • Colonial Viper 24.1

      Green/Labour Government, 2017.

    • Afewknowthetruth 24.2

      In view of the fact that most people struggle to manage their own affairs, the idea that someone can manage other people’s affairs is absurd.

      Governments are simply facilitators for corporations and money-lenders who mismanage everything in their quest to make easy money and steal from the commons.. Fascists wearing red or green will be no better for NZ in the long run than fascists wearing blue, particularly since all of the current mob are scientifically and financially illiterate. Besides, we’ve already experienced what fascists wearing red do (from the mid-80s to the early 2000s)…. and what a disaster they were. Hence the voters ‘had a guts full’ and put the other lot of fascists into power.

      Actually, I’d be very surprised if current economic arrangements are still functioning in 2017, now that the implosion of Europe, Japan and the US are accelerating..

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell pretending to be Afewknowthetruth 24.2.1

        Governments serve no purpose. We are all doomed. You are all too stupid to know. This is despite me having told you all so many times both that you are all doomed and that you are stupid.

        I, on the other hand, am smarter than Gallileo.

        You will all be sorry when you find out I was right. This will be either in 2013, or any of the other years between 2013 and 2050. Do not ask for any of my canned goods, when this happens, idiots.

        • Colonial Viper

          Canned goods? The usual US survivalists joke is around “rice and beans” as apparently they are easier to store in bulk for long periods of time. And if that’s ‘survival’ it might not be that worth it.

          • Rogue Trooper

            alright with a little salmon and tomato

            • AmaKiwi

              Will there be a Labour party in 2017?

              In June 2012, the three centrists Greek parties went into the election with 70% of the seats in Parliament. After the election TOGETHER they had only 30%.

              Major parties DIE, especially during times of economic crisis. I will bet after the 2017 election at least one of our major parties will have fewer than 15% of the seats (maybe both).

              Maybe it’s time for the Labour Party to die so it can be replaced with something better. Don’t get me started or I’ll go on for pages about how the LP could be improved.

              • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell pretending to be Afewknowthetruth

                I’ll go on for pages about how the LP could be improved.

                Just give us your top 50 things.

  25. Elizabeth Bourchier Real Labour 25

    Charles has shown his confidence in Shearer/Robertson winning the next election by voting against them…..with his feet.

    Bye Charles. Please keep your membership current. Things will get better …. sometime.

  26. I have got 3 applications to Join three Political Parties Labour National and United Future I can now cross of Labour It toss up between United and National for who gets my Membership it hard decision to make I usually a Labour Voter not in 2014. Not since the Cunliffe demotion I cannot stand Labour and there attitude. Labour 2017 maybe.

  27. Rich 27

    I can’t be bothered to google, but would lay bet that those asserting that people should support Shearer unconditionally made exactly the same arguments about Goff last term and will no doubt make the same ones about next term’s time-server.

    • McFlock 27.1

      those asserting that people should support Shearer unconditionally

      [citation needed]

      • Rich 27.1.1

        *I can’t be bothered to google*

        • McFlock

          well, the number is zero, anyway.

          Or at least I’ve never seen anyone demand shearer be supported unconditionally.

          • felixviper

            I haven’t seen anyone say it either.

            Criticise anything he says or does though…

            • McFlock

              Criticise everything he says or does though…


              • felixviper

                Nope, just the lame, stupid, offensive things.

                Entirely up to him really, presumably he could stop doing all that any time he likes.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Don’t be too harsh. He’s not doing it himself, he’s doing it under advisement.

                • McFlock

                  Nope, just the lame, stupid, offensive things that we work really hard to extract out of such fiendish and blatant whistles as “happy new year”.


                  • Rhinocrates


                    Misrepresented it For You – again.

                  • felixviper

                    Pretty much, Rhino.

                    McF, how hard do you think I’m working to extract offense from ‘Absolutely, homophobes have a place in the Labour party’?

                    If you want to criticise my criticisms, how about sticking to the ones I actually make, eh?

                    • McFlock

                      Fair enough. Let’s pretend the first ‘Shearer says’ of 2013 wasn’t greeted with bullshit quibbling over his use of his use of the phrase “Happy New Year” in the first fucking comment.

                      The homophobe fluff was a pretty fair call to be criticised on. Although I’d like a link to what he exactly said, as I’m pretty sure you just made up what you put in quotation marks. It is probably a good place to start if you think Rich’s comment about commenters demanding “unconditional support” for Shearer was all about how you might have been criticised for making Shearer seem worse than he actually is.

                      The actual quote from a radio transcript seems to be

                      “Shearer: Oh look yes, absolutely, there are some, when I say homophobic I don’t think we’ve got any homophobes there, but, there are some people who don’t agree with, ah, um, unsection (?) marriage, you mean you know, a marriage between two, two people of the same sex, um, that’s ah, that’s not ah a a majority but um look you know at the same time as we, you know we’ve been at the forefront of these things, we’ve also had people who didn’t agree with it, there’s plenty of room for them as well. “

                      which I agree is a dumb piece of waffle that tries hard to avoid any position on the issue and is a general fuckup. If pete george’s transcript is accurate. I don’t visit his place, though.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      FV said:

                      McF, how hard do you think I’m working to extract offense from ‘Absolutely, homophobes have a place in the Labour party’?

                      McFlock said:

                      Although I’d like a link to what he exactly said, as I’m pretty sure you just made up what you put in quotation marks.


                    • Colonial Viper

                      bear in mind, Shearer was not asked about whether or not people with homophobic views had a place in the Labour Party.

                      He was asked whether or not Members of Parliament with homophobic views had a place in the Labour Party.

                      Answer: “Oh look yes, absolutely, there are some”

                    • McFlock

                      So pete seems pretty accurate about the waffle. As supplied by Whaleoil. But light years between that drivel and a firm ‘Absolutely, homophobes have a place in the Labour party’.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      The response to whether or not there is place for MPs with homophobic views in Labour is recorded on the youtube link above.

                    • felixviper

                      “Let’s pretend the first ‘Shearer says’ of 2013 wasn’t greeted with bullshit quibbling over his use of his use of the phrase “Happy New Year” in the first fucking comment.”

                      And what the fuck does that have to do with me, McF? Again, how about criticising stuff I’ve actually said. FFS.

                      “Although I’d like a link to what he exactly said, as I’m pretty sure you just made up what you put in quotation marks.”

                      That’s why it’s in single quotes. I thought that was obvious, but if you think it’s not an appropriate paraphrase then do tell me if you think it misrepresents him in any way.

                      “if you think Rich’s comment about commenters demanding “unconditional support” for Shearer was all about how you might have been criticised for making Shearer seem worse than he actually is.”

                      Sorry mate, didn’t notice where I’d done that. Point it out, would you? I’m presuming you don’t mean that simply joining a discussion implies that I think everything said up until that point was about me, but I could be wrong.

                      “which I agree is a dumb piece of waffle that tries hard to avoid any position on the issue”

                      I’d have to disagree with that, I think he takes quite a clear position. The question was whether there is a place for homophobes in his party and the answer is yes, absolutely, also blah blah blah. Which is a yes in anyone’s book, unless you were going out of your way to make him look better than he really is.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      The question was whether there is a place for homophobes in his caucus and the answer is yes, absolutely, also blah blah blah.


                    • McFlock

                      And then said that he didn’t think any homophobes were in “there” and then tried to separate same-sex marriage from homophobia and otherwise dig his way out. He fluffed it badly.

                      But there’s a marked difference between that and a firm “homophobes have a place in the Labour party” coming from his lips.

                    • felixviper

                      Course there is.

                      That’s why it’s so good that he said “no”.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      But there’s a marked difference between that and a firm “homophobes have a place in the Labour caucus” coming from his lips.


                      Both the question and Shearer’s response is in the youtube link above.

                    • McFlock

                      CV: party/caucus, still a marked difference.

                      And what the fuck does that have to do with me, McF?

                      Oh, sorry, you joining a discussion immediately makes every subsequent comment all about you. I’ll bear that in mind.

                      I’d have to disagree with that, I think he takes quite a clear position. .

                      No shit you disagree. A “clear position” from that waffle based on two words he immediately backtracks on? You’re psychic.

                      Fuck this, I’m off to bed.

                    • felixviper

                      Well McF, usually when people reply to a comment I made with a direct response to a question I asked, I reckon they’re talking to me.

                      But then you seem to think ‘yes absolutely there’s still a place for homophobic views’ is ambiguous on the subject of homophobic views, so ymmv.

                    • McFlock

                      To you, yes – not about you.

                      And ‘yes absolutely there’s still a place for homophobic views’ is indeed completely unambiguous. My point is that he never actually fucking said it.

                    • felixviper

                      Just so we’re clear we’re talking about the same thing, here’s what I asked:

                      McF, how hard do you think I’m working to extract offense from ‘Absolutely, homophobes have a place in the Labour party’?

                      If you want to criticise my criticisms, how about sticking to the ones I actually make, eh?

                      And here’s your answer:

                      Fair enough. Let’s pretend the first ‘Shearer says’ of 2013 wasn’t greeted with bullshit quibbling over his use of his use of the phrase “Happy New Year” in the first fucking comment.

                      You seriously saying those two comments aren’t related? Fine, whatever.

                      And again, if you don’t like my paraphrasing then tell me where I’ve got it wrong. Where’s the bit where Shearer says ‘No, there’s no place for homophobic views’?

                      Because not only is that the correct answer, it’s also just as easy to say as ‘oh look yes absolutely’ or whatever the fuck he said.

                    • McFlock

                      You entered a general conversation about whether people here were demanding unconditional support for shearer, and have warped it into a discussion about whether you, personally, have ever made an unwarranted criticism of Shearer (or have been accused of aiding and abetting tories for making a fair criticism).

                      Okay, let’s work with that:
                      You are correct to criticise shearer’s waffly response to being asked whether there’s a place for homophobes in caucus. It was a crap effort on shearer’s part.


                      I think that your “paraphrasing” of a convoluted, non-committal, and self-contradictory response into a clear endorsement or acceptance of homophobes in caucus is a perfect example of people taking shearer’s shortcomings and building them into something they’re not.

                      It might not exactly be rolling a glitter-ball in shit, but whatever shearer gave you to work with was not as nauseating as the pungent, manky, slimey turdishousness that you “paraphrased” it into.

                    • felixviper

                      If what Shearer said was “self-contradictory” then surely you’ll be able to point out the contradictions it contains.

                      I don’t see him saying anything that contradicts the ‘yes absolutely’ that he opens with or the ‘plenty of room for them’ that he wraps up with.

                      Even more so on listening than reading, it’s a resoundingly affirmative answer. And if that’s not what he intended, then in spite of all the protestations of his fan club, he still really, really sucks at this stuff and isn’t getting any better.

                    • McFlock

                      lol. Is vto right that opposing same-sex marriage does not equal homophobia?

                      there are some, when I say homophobic I don’t think we’ve got any homophobes there, but, there are some people who don’t agree with, ah, um, unsection (?) marriage, you mean you know, a marriage between two, two people of the same sex,

                      um, that’s ah, that’s not ah a a majority but um look you know at the same time as we, you know we’ve been at the forefront of these things, we’ve also had people who didn’t agree with it, there’s plenty of room for them as well.

                      I don’t see him saying anything that contradicts the ‘yes absolutely’ that he opens with or the ‘plenty of room for them’ that he wraps up with.

                      “them” – is that homophobes or people who oppose same-sex marriage? Would a homophobe feel like “there’s plenty of room” in a party that’s “been at the forefront of these things” (whatever “these things” are)?
                      And what’s the “yes absolutely” in reference to, anyway? Is it, as your position seems to be, a “yes absolutely there is room for homophobes”, or is it Shearer hearing more of an “are there homophobes in labour” question, or is it just a goddamn habitual verbal filler that he got into the habit of using?

                      Even more so on listening than reading, it’s a resoundingly affirmative answer. And if that’s not what he intended, then in spite of all the protestations of his fan club, he still really, really sucks at this stuff and isn’t getting any better.

                      I dunno – I think he did a better soundbite on telly than Turei when it came to lobby questions about the skycity A-G report. He does seem to be improving, but I agree that this particular cockup was a regression.
                      But I’m sure you and whaleoil will disagree with me about that.

                    • McFlock

                      cocked up and failed edit – 2nd blockquote redundant, third is you, first and fourth quote blocks are shearer

                    • The Al1en

                      “lol. Is vto right that opposing same-sex marriage does not equal homophobia?”

                      Coincidentally, that’s failed Hamilton West conservative candidate Pat Gregory’s same question to the local rag.

                    • The Al1en

                      Am I going to abuse it when I get an edit button

                      Of course that would be in general, not to vto’s post

                    • felixviper

                      For what it’s worth I thought his interview the other day on the AG report into Sky City was excellent.

                      I’d guess the difference was he knew exactly what he was talking about and was well prepped.

                      So yeah, this would be a regression from that for sure.

    • AmaKiwi 27.2

      “people should support Shearer unconditionally”

      Same b.s. said about every unworthy leader.

      List your reasons why he is the best or stfu.

  28. hush minx 28

    Two things spring to mind. First is that the news from Charles C highlights how key this reshuffle for instilling a sense of hope and fairness, not just amongst caucus but the wider party. Secondly that’s a talented MP walking put the door. If he thought labor was going to win would he be leaving? I doubt it. So where’s the upcoming talent of new blood into caucus? And no, I do not count JT! :-)

  29. bad12 29

    Yes i thought Charles Chauval was a good MP as well, but, the gap left in the line-up will soon be filled and most of us 6 months from now will have mostly forgotten His contribution,

    A re-shuffle now from David Shearer, why not,at the same time He should give the signal that He could again reshuffle in early 2014 if any of the team aint making the required impact,

    I await more policy from Labour for us to see the true shape of the proposed Labour/Green Government in 2014, that being i would suggest 1-2% either way from being a done deal i would also suggest that such a conclusion to 2014 is as much up to ‘us’ as it is the Parliamentary teams of the Party’s we support,

    Questions of leadership we should now consign to the back-burner,(or the party conference),until 2014 if the unthinkable becomes a reality…

    • AmaKiwi 29.1

      “Questions of leadership we should now consign to the back-burner.”

      Yes, it’s clear the members and affiliates are powerless to select a leader. The LP is run like a mini-dictatorship. I’m out.

      • bad12 29.1.1

        Lolz with a toy tossing attitude like that i have to inquire whether you were ever actually ‘in’,

        That’s funny, i see no evidence of this mini-dictatorship, the Labour Caucus just held a vote,( entirely within the rules),to ascertain whether or not David Shearer would face a party wide vote and the decision of that caucus was that He wouldn’t,

        So where’s the dictatorship???

        • George D

          Then there’s the fact that those MPs were electing consistent with a process that was set by the party, they themselves were selected consistent with a process that was set by the party, and that the party itself changed the processes just last year after its conference.

          If you don’t like the outcome, blame the rules. If you don’t like the rules, then change them. It’s your party.

          • bad12

            Yep, that same Caucus has elected Shearer once under each set of rules, no matter what anyone thinks of Him as the Leader He is all there is,

            Instead of whining about Cunliffe not being the leader the next best thing the Labour lot can do is push good Labour policies through the committees and hope like hell to have them legislated for,

            Carrying on the bitter little fight is going to get none of us anywhere except 3 more of Slippery and the present ugly little bunch of Shysters…

  30. “Questions of leadership we should now consign to the back-burner”

    What about lack of leadership, is that okay?

    “if the unthinkable becomes a reality”

    If you mean Labour don’t win under Shearer = :lol:

    • bad12 30.1

      The bloke sounded and looked Ok to me on the TV1 news tonight, seemed to come across quite forcefully,

      Should He continue to improve in that vein until November 2014 he should give the current Slippery little Shyster a riun for His money in the TV debates…

      • The Al1en 30.1.1

        So we’ll see the opinion polls reflect that about when?

        And just to be clear, the :lol: isn’t about DS not winning in 2014, that would be a wry smile tinged with much sorrow to be comfortable, no, it’s that you think Shearer not winning is unthinkable.

        I get hope over expectation, but what do you see? What makes you think he’ll win it for you?

  31. bad12 31

    ‘He’???, i don’t see David Shearer winning anything for ‘me’ full stop, what i see is a National government run by a Shyster and a bunch of yesterdays men only interested in feathering the nests of the few and the voters to attempt to keep them in power,

    What i see is a Roy Morgan poll which would have a Labour/Green/Mana Government if the election was last week,

    What i see is a Maori party with no support and a NZFirst Party bleeding their support by the day thanks to Richard, given that what i see is the highly unlikely situation of either of those 2 figuring in the next Parliament,

    What i see is the loss of at least 1% of the National party’s support being gone by 2014, what that says is Labour/Green Government…

    • The Al1en 31.1

      “He’???, i don’t see David Shearer winning anything for ‘me’ full stop,”

      “Should He continue to improve in that vein until November 2014 he should give the current Slippery little Shyster a riun for His money in the TV debates…”

      I must’ve misread and/or misunderstood you. I apologise.

      “What i see”

      Maybe you misread or misunderstood me ;)

      I’m talking about Dave. What do you see in him that makes him the leader? What do you see that makes him the best man for the job?

    • JK 31.2

      bad12 – NOTHING will stop Nat voters voting NAT – even if they don’t like what’s happening under their current shyster. What they do NOT want is to see Labour in Power again. So they’ll keep voting Nat.

      Labour voters on the other hand have a record of NOT VOTING if they do not like what their Party puts up …… and there is evidence coming through (see the most recent TV1 poll) that Labour supporters don’t like what Labour is putting up. In addition there are the 800,000 non-voters from the 2011 election who still need to be persuaded to vote – preferably Labour.

      In 1987 Labour voters stayed home, but Nat-Act type voters liked what Douglas et al were saying and voted Labour back in. By 1990, more and more Labour voters stayed at home and didn’t vote.

      Labour people like to vote. Its very difficult for them NOT to vote. with MMP they now have a choice – they can stay home, or they can vote Green (or Mana) or even NZ First.

      what’s the betting that Labour loses votes in 2014, but Green and/or NZ First and maybe Mana, increase their votes ? This might still amount to a coalition, but it could be a very unstable one !! and not
      governable …….

      On the other hand, if enough Nat voters continue to vote Nat-Act-United : then we’ve got another three years of them. And this is a likely scenario ….. give that Nat-Act people do not WANT to see Labour take over.

      • bad12 31.2.1

        YA-A-AWN, in answer to that long winded rant,(a) National Party voters, or to be more accurate, the slight part of the current National Party vote that is ‘the swing vote’ have been well bought and paid for by tax cuts which has ensured their loyalty while they wait for some assets to buy,

        The TV1 poll, even the apologist, cheerleader,and big mouthpiece for the National Party Mathew Hooten admits that the TV1 poll always reads the National Party votte at least 2% above what it actually turns out to be,

        Try last weeks Roy Morgan Poll which gave Labour/Green/Mana the numbers to form a Government…

      • NoseViper (The Nose knows) 31.2.2

        should we have compulsory voting with a small fine for not?

  32. bad12 32

    I dont!!! the Labour Caucus have seen ‘something’ in Dave that they have voted,(twice), to have Him the leader of the Labour Party, as i am not a member of that party such decisions are out of my hands…

    • The Al1en 32.1

      “I dont!!!”

      Good. :lol:

      “the Labour Caucus have seen ‘something’ in Dave that they have voted,(twice), to have Him the leader of the Labour Party,”

      To be fair, at this point it’s only at least twenty two of caucus.
      Maybe the question should be directed at them, but seeing as they’ve not been listening for the last four years, I won’t be counting on a credible answer.

      “as i am not a member of that party such decisions are out of my hands…”

      So no real reason to advocate for putting the leadership question to bed just yet, just because at least twenty two want us to.
      No one ever achieved anything like that.

      • bad12 32.1.1

        SO, what exactly do you hope to achieve by continually fermenting a question of leadership that you and the others continually fermenting that question have already lost twice…

        • The Al1en

          Given the circumstances I’d dispute lost, and twice, but like you, that’s not my fight.

          I dare say I can’t achieve much of anything to change the minds of at least twenty two caucus fuck nuggets, but I’m always happy to let a shit show know they’ve got a shit show’s chance.

          So strap in, it’s going to bumpy when there are more and more ‘rogue polls’ and the months dwindle away.

          • bad12

            So sit on the sidelines and add a larger glass of whine to the cheese-board, because you achieve exactly nothing ranting on endlessly over a battle that you didn’t have a vote in by the sounds of it either at Party or Caucus level,

            Cunliffe lost and if you want to try and lose Labour the next election because of a bit of toy tossing in your head well that’s your problem…

            • The Al1en

              “So sit on the sidelines and add a larger glass of whine to the cheese-board”

              Front and centre, Pams diet cola, and cheese-board? What do you think I am? The bourgeoisie ET. :lol:

              I reckon it’s going to get real messy, real soon, so get a swanny on and watch out for the flying splatty bits.

              • bad12

                Lolz s**ts so cheap in the supermarket these days that the kids can buy and still have change from the pocket money…

            • The Al1en

              “if you want to try and lose Labour the next election because of a bit of toy tossing in your head well that’s your problem…”

              So it would be my fault Labour fucked it and are acting like retards. Don’t be silly.
              But I might change my mind. That selfish wry smile might just become a ‘so fucking what, you earned it’ chortle or guffaw.

              I’d urge everyone to send their votes elsewhere than red.
              Don’t trust the man, don’t trust the people – At least twenty two of them, anyway.
              You do what you like, of course, but I’ll not follow you down the cul-de-sac, if you don’t mind.

              • bad12

                I am sure you know what i mean and if you don’t then i cannot at this late hour be bothered explaining it to you,

                Cul de sac???, knock out the Maori Party ,kick the % of left leaning vote away from NZFirst thanks to Richard,and, hey presto what have you,

                Wheres the cul de sac, a Labour/Green Government, is that a cul de sac???…

                • The Al1en

                  If I don’t trust the men and women who have been losers for four years, and hand on heart, I bet even those of his supporters are hoping more than expecting, what should I do? Be quiet? Just vote red because I always have?
                  I reckon I’m okay stating opposition to a very bad job, done by bad people who’ve done a very bad job against very bad people.

                  No need to reward their incompetence with my silence.

                  • bad12

                    Now let me just get this straight, in all these bad men,losers blah blah blah there’s, drumroll lights,violins, one yes one heroic figure, not a bad man, not a loser, it’s Dave Cunliffe the hero of the movie,

                    Did i get that right???…

                    • The Al1en

                      The spotlight is always on me and always will be ;)

                      They can fight (or not as it appears) their own battles, for their own reasons.
                      Those 33 visit these pages, they go by numbers, they read the for and against.
                      You say C’mon pull together – They think ‘see, we’re unstoppable’.
                      More write, you suck, you’re shit, and on record alone, you’ve failed very badly* – They think ‘see, we’re unstoppable’.

                      Never go quietly, bruv. Always kick and scream a bit.
                      Fuck dignity when you’re in the grip.

                      * See 2008 onwards

                    • bad12

                      S**t, are you suggesting 2008 backwards was a bunch of roses,all shining light and praise Helen,

                      Helen was actually the one that finally decided for me that i should stop voting red and take it elsewhere,

                      Lolz, if you knew who me was you would know that there is no such thing as going quietly,

                      Sometimes i am quietly going about my biz most of which has a fair amount of politics in the mix…

                    • The Al1en

                      “S**t, are you suggesting 2008 backwards was a bunch of roses,all shining light and praise Helen,”

                      I’m saying since 2008, Labour haven’t put a single scratch on the government, not one. Maybe someone will post a list proving otherwise, but they should save themselves the trouble and derision that even attempting to will bring. The polls say, no. The end.

                      “if you knew who me was you would know that there is no such thing as going quietly,”

                      Glad to read it. Now post ‘Shearer is the lost McMumble Womble’ in four words or less, and we’ll strategize disorderly rear guards over Green tea and your cheese board. :)

                    • bad12

                      Actually the tea of any hue with a cheese board would be a really really bad idea you might end up eating the board by mistake…

                    • The Al1en

                      “Actually the tea of any hue with a cheese board would be a really really bad idea you might end up eating the board by mistake…”

                      I’d suggest crackers, but there’s only so many tory trolls to go around.

            • NoseViper (The Nose knows)

              Yes it gets to the point where the destructive force of pressing for change mounts higher as it continues and what is being destroyed is Labour’s chances to do anything because it doesn’t get elected. So I think keep working for change (limitation of terms or?). And push for more positives rather than blanket disapproval and increase the positives.

              From LyricsDepot
              – Words and Music by Harold Arlen and Johnny Mercer
              Peak Billboard position in 1945.

              Hear it on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jdbFOidds

              Gather ’round me, everybody
              Gather ’round me while I’m preachin’
              Feel a sermon comin’ on me
              The topic will be sin and that’s what I’m ag’in’
              If you wanna hear my story
              The settle back and just sit tight
              While I start reviewin’
              The attitude of doin’ right

              You’ve got to accentuate the positive
              Eliminate the negative
              And latch on to the affirmative
              Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
              You’ve got to spread joy up to the maximum
              Bring gloom down to the minimum
              Have faith or pandemonium’s
              Liable to walk upon the scene

              To illustrate my last remark
              Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark
              What did they do just when everything looked so dark?
              (Man, they said “We’d better accentuate the positive”)
              (“Eliminate the negative”)
              (“And latch on to the affirmative”)
              Don’t mess with Mister In-Between (No!)
              Don’t mess with Mister In-Between

              (Ya got to spread joy up to the maximum)
              (Bring gloom down to the minimum)
              (Have faith or pandemonium’s)
              (Liable to walk upon the scene)

              You got to ac (yes, yes) -cent-tchu-ate the positive
              Eliminate (yes, yes) the negative
              And latch (yes, yes) on to the affirmative
              Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
              No, don’t mess with Mister In-Between

    • Colonial Viper 32.2

      as i am not a member of that party such decisions are out of my hands…

      Wouldn’t have made a difference; no labour Party members except the 34 in caucus had any say.

      • bad12 32.2.1

        The Caucus tho did what the rules said they should do right, is there any denial of that???…

        • Colonial Viper

          Yeah that’s TRP’s argument. By the way, just because you can do a thing, does not mean that is the thing which should be done.

          Not giving the membership a vote to fully confirm Shearer’s leadership was a serious strategic error IMO.

          • bad12

            yes i agree it was a serious strategic mistake, unlike the anti-Shearer crew that comment here, there and everywhere i see the mistake having been one that Cunliffe made, He hasn’t ever had the numbers to roll Shearer full stop,

            The Caucus voted recently to keep Shearer as the leader, that’s the new rules, the strategic mistake there was one made at party level where the trigger for a leadership vote is in the hands of the caucus,

            To keep thrashing Shearer over what looks to me like His oppositions strategic mistakes seems pretty pointless…

            • Colonial Viper

              To keep thrashing Shearer over what looks to me like His oppositions strategic mistakes seems pretty pointless…

              For sure mate. Absolutely pointless. What about mistakes like, “is there room in the Labour Party caucus for people with homophobic attitudes” “oh, absolutely…”

              • Te Reo Putake

                Well, technically Shearer’s correct. Damien O’Connor is a Labour MP.after all.

              • bad12

                Here’s one from Helen Clark that had real meaning and real effect on one hell of a lot of people that actually hurt them physically,

                ”If those on benefits want to share in Working for Families they should get a job”,

                i aint about to sit here all night and baby sit Shearer but i think you all are being a little bit precious with the ongoing wah wah wah,

                S**t i am pretty homophobic, don’t really give a s**t what people get up to in their private lives but wouldn’t have any of them in my house thanks,

                If Damien Oconner is a bit that way too, so what, does it stop Him from doing His job, does it stop Him from supporting Labour party policy…

                • Colonial Viper

                  Here’s one from Helen Clark that had real meaning and real effect on one hell of a lot of people that actually hurt them physically,

                  ”If those on benefits want to share in Working for Families they should get a job”,

                  The same sentiment would have been right in place from the lips of Thatcher, Douglas, Prebble, Richardson, Brash, Bennett, Shearer, …

                  • bad12

                    Exactly, far worse than anything Shearer has so far managed, although the roof painting sickness bene speech takes Him close,

                    That one from Helen is now why i am not a member of the Labour Party, the Green Party now get what little i can afford in the way of political donation and will be getting both my votes at 2014 which if the Green Party stay true to their principles will put ahalt to Labour’s bene-bashing ways…

              • felixviper

                Sorry CV, anyone from the left who criticises Shearer for anything, for evermore, is clearly just a disgruntled ex-Cunliffite trying to undermine him.

                • bad12

                  Lolz, but they are…

                • Colonial Viper

                  Hey dude. Before the Feb leadership vote Cunliffe made it very clear he was out of contention. So many ex-whatever’s here apparently, Chauval just expressed it more emphatically.

                  • bad12

                    Lolz Dave C getting clever perhaps, would he have changed that tune if the Caucus had of triggered the Party wide vote???

                    My opinion is that He would have thrown His hat in the ring if that Party wide vote had of been triggered…

                    • Colonial Viper

                      And he may well not have been the only one. However, I think grudgingly that TRP was right all along – there was never any chance of that Feb vote going against Shearer.

                    • bad12

                      Oh i was hoping big time that it would be triggered as well, it would have been a great contest,

                      and although many here thought that should the wider Party had a vote Dave C, should he have been in the contest, would have won it i think that there is still a chance that He would not have as i do not see all the union affiliates as voting toward a left leaning candidate as a foregone conclusion…

                • Te Reo Putake

                  Resistance is futile, felix.

  33. bad12 33

    LOLZ, undefined seems to be my ‘new’ secret name, bestowed by none other than the ‘machine’ yes the machine (gasp),

    That’s my reward for trying to edit the last comment which should have said that Dave is the leader of the Labour Caucus…

  34. NoseViper (The Nose knows) 34

    Just finished a post submitted it and ? Page saying Closed. I went back a step and pressed home and waited over a minute. The blog seemed to be down for a short time.

    I tried to reach a couple of comments, couldn’t, tried again and did get through then checked and my post had gone through. (I had copied stuff from the internet.)

  35. Jbug 35

    Very sad Chauvel has resigned. Not like we have a wealth of intelligent, thoughtful, committed Labour MPs in there at the moment! Interesting that the talented ones are leaving. Love to see Mallard or King try to get a new job, let alone at the UN. Sorry to see you go Charles. But good on you.

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  • Ideological Blitzkrieg – Privatization of state housing, more charter sch...
    Pundits in pundit land will tell you that this Government is boring, that Key is the great pragmatist and that it is his ability to create elegant solutions that keeps him the firm favourite in many Kiwi eyes. This ability...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • Hegemony rules but resistance is fertile
    The Prime Minister is a puppet. Not just our current Prime Minister, but given the forces of multinational globalisation, the role of any head of state, is less as independent actor, and more as a puppet of international trends and...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • An open Letter to Sir Bob Jones: demanding a ‘liveable wage’ is not “...
    How out of touch with reality is Sir Bob Jones? You know, that white dude who invested in privatised SOEs after the selling off of our assets in the eighties and made a ludicrous and disgusting amount of money and is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • My insecurity about the Security Council
    As I write this (on 24 October) it is international UN Day. Of course, you all knew that already, right? Well, the day celebrates the entry into force of the UN Charter in 1945. With the ratification of this founding...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Back in That House
    Parliament opened this week and I still find it a very odd place. Most of the people are reasonably courteous and friendly, but the rituals are archaic and the rules around issues like the swearing in oath are oppressive and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Marae Investigates No More
    TVNZ yesterday announced the closure of their Māori and Pacific programmes department. That means they’ve chosen to stop making Fresh, Tagata Pasifika, Waka Huia and Marae Investigates to let independent producers get their hands on these lucrative contracts. This is...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • BLOGWATCH: An Un-Civil War in Labour, eh?
    Earlier today, my attention was directed to an entry that’s just recently appeared on the Slightly Left of Centre blog. It purports to contain the ‘inside word’ from a highly placed NZF source – which is funny, because I’m pretty sure...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Santanomics 101
    Santanomics could mean a number of things. It could be the study and practice of giving. Or it could mean the study and practice of rampant end-of-year commercialism. However, for me today it is the economics of erectingAuckland’s giant Santa...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • SkyCity boss misleads public over workers lost shifts
    SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison has defended the employment practices at his company in an “Opinion” piece entitled “Human Capital key to corporate success” in the NZ Herald on Thursday. A number of his claims are misleading, contain only partial truths...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Review: Perfect Place
    I went to a Perfect Place on Tuesday night, and what a delight it was. The marshmallows sweetly (and forcefully) handed out pre-show, set the tone for the next hour. Walking up the stairs at The Basement was a complete...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • 5AA Australia – NZ on UN Security Council + Dirty Politics Lingers On
    5AA Australia: Selwyn Manning and Peter Godfrey deliver their weekly bulletin Across The Ditch. General round up of over night talkback issues: Thongs, Jandals and flip-flops… ISSUE 1: New Zealand has been successful in its campaign to become a non...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • When I mean me, I mean my office & when I call whaleoil I mean not as m...
    This. Is. Ludicrous. Green Party co-leader Russel Norman put the first of what are likely to be many questions about Mr Key’s relationship with Slater, asking him how many times he had phoned or texted the blogger since 2008. “None...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • A brief word on describing the Government as ‘boring and bland’
    The narrative being sown is that this Government will be a boring and bland third term. Boring and bland. Since the election, Key has announced he is privatising 30% of state houses without reinvesting any of that money back into housing society’s most...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • More Latté Than Lager: Reflections on Grant Robertson’s Campaign Launch.
    BIKERS? SERIOUSLY! Had Grant Robertson’s campaign launch been organised by Phil Goff? Was this a pitch for the votes of what few Waitakere Men remain in the Labour Party? Was I even at the right place? Well, yes, I was....
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • About Curwen Ares Rolinson
    Curwen Ares Rolinson – Curwen Ares Rolinson is a firebrand young nationalist presently engaged in acts of political resistance deep behind enemy lines amidst the leafy boughs of Epsom. He is affiliated with the New Zealand First Party; although his...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kelly Ellis
    Kelly Ellis.Kelly Ellis – As a child, Kelly Ellis didn’t so much fall into the cracks, but willfully wriggled her way into them. Ejected from Onslow College – a big job in the 70s – Kelly worked in car factories,...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kate Davis
    Kate Davis.Kate Davis – Having completed her BA in English and Politics, Kate is now starting her MA. Kate works as a volunteer advocate at Auckland Action Against Poverty and previously worked for the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Kate writes...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Parker does a Shearer – oh for a Labour Leader who can challenge msm fals...
    Sigh. It seems David Parker has done a Shearer… Like a cult and too red – Parker on LabourLabour leadership contender David Parker says Labour borders on feeling like “a cult” and must look at its branding – including its...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • A brief word on the hundreds of millions NZ is spending on the secret intel...
    The enormity of the mass surveillance state NZ Government’s have built carries a huge price tag… Kiwis pay $103m ‘membership fee’ for spyingThe $103 million taxpayer funding of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies is effectively a membership fee for joining the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Where. Is. Jason. Ede?
    Where. Is. Jason. Ede?...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Labour’s Din of Inequity
    Watching Labour’s leadership candidates on Q+A on Sunday, I noticed the ongoing use of terms like “opportunity” and “aspiration”, and “party of the workers”. What do these mean? We glean much from Labour, and from the media about Labour, but not...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • “Blue-Greenwash” fails the test when it comes to endangered dolphins
    National’s pre-election promises saw some wins for the environment – perhaps as the party sought to appease its “Blue-Green” voters and broaden its popular appeal. Some of the ecological gains were a long time in the making, overdue even– such...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Reasons not to be cheerful, Part #272b
    Why don’t you get back into bed? The next few years — the rest of this century — are not going to be pretty. There is an obvious disconnect between any remaining political ambition to fix climate change and the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Pike River Families Group Press Release
    The Families can now but hope that Solid Energy will consider closely the response of the Families’ expert mining advisers, Bob Stevenson and Dave Creedy, and the independent legal advice by Hugh Rennie QC as to why re-entry to the...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • On The Nation this weekend
    This weekend on The Nation… with dairy prices falling, China growing its agriculture sector, and the environmental costs piling up, we ask the Fonterra chief executive Theo Spierings if New Zealand is too dependent on milk powder and if we’ve...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • NZ Government Urged to Do More to Fight Ebola
    As Ebola continues to tear through West Africa, Save the Children NZ is urging the government to do more in the fight against the deadly virus....
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • Korero Mai Ki Ahau – Saturday 25 & Sunday 26 October 2014
    Broadcast on Waatea 603AM Saturday 12.00 - 12.30pm Sunday 12.00 - 12.30pm Both shows repeated 5.00pm – 6.00pm On Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • Putting whānau foremost in Family Dispute Resolution
    Dispute resolution company, FairWay Resolution, has developed a uniquely New Zealand approach to family dispute resolution (FDR) that is underpinned by the cultural needs and values of the parties to a family dispute. In support of its role as a...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • Anglican Family Care staff to rally industrial action rises
    Public Service Association (PSA) members working at Anglican Family Care (AFC) in Dunedin will hold two rallies in Dunedin next week as they seek a fair pay offer, following a week of low-key industrial action....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Flying Visit for Adventuring Kiwi Socialpreneur
    12 Months on, this former Alexandra barista is changing lives in Buenos Aires Slums with free lunches, music, art, drama and toothbrushes...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • March in Solidarity with Kurdistan Against ISIS Attacks
    The New Zealand Kurdish Community will march in solidarity with Kurdistan in light of the heinous genocidal attacks in Kobanê by ISIS. We will begin with silent demonstrations then commence marching. We will start from Britomart, Queen Street (outside Dick...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • No Problem for Henare & Jones, But “No Way” for Harawira
    “Just before the election I broke the story about the gutting of Maori Television’s News and Current Affairs department by MTS’ new CEO Paora Maxwell. I pointed out that Carol Hirschfeld and Julian Wilcox, two of the country’s most experienced...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Corruption: Positive developments for NZ but more to be done
    Global anti-corruption group Transparency International today released a report on OECD Anti-Bribery Convention enforcement and called for New Zealand to implement draft legislation to ratify the United Nations Convention against Corruption....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Government to Blame as Much as Council for Marryatt Payout
    The Taxpayers' Union is calling on the Government to fix the employment law regime that has forced Christchurch ratepayers to fork out $800,000 to former Council boss Tony Marryatt....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Unanimously Call for Commissioner to Arm Police Full Time
    In the wake of a series of recent armed offender incidents, delegates to the Police Association Annual Conference today called unanimously on the Commissioner to arm Police full time....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Bank gets behind NZ wildlife icon with sizable donation
    It will be easier than ever this summer for holiday-markers to dip into their pockets to support the yellow-eyed penguin....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • WorkSafe report raises concerns about asbestos
    The union representing construction workers in the Canterbury rebuild is surprised at WorkSafe’s conclusion that no action needs to be taken against EQC and Fletcher EQR over asbestos exposure in Canterbury homes. “This report was an opportunity...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Union accuses SkyCity CEO of misleading public
    Unite Union has accused SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison of misleading the public over the cut in hours for a staff member who raised the issue at the company's AGM....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Last Hurrah on the Taxpayer
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that Hone Harawira spent up $54,000 on the taxpayer in his last three months as an MP, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “It is absolutely disgraceful that an MP managed to rack...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Press statement in relation to search of Nicky Hager’s home
    On 2 October 2014, Nicky Hager's home in Wellington was searched by police. Mr Hager asserted that documents kept at his house were protected by privilege, including because they contained information that might identify confidential sources....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • The Sam Simon arrives into Auckland for new campaign
    This morning Sea Shepherd ship, the Sam Simon, arrived into Auckland harbour after its journey from Melbourne. The ship and its 25 crew from around the globe have come to New Zealand to source supplies and prepare for the upcoming...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Low inflation – time for meaningful wage increases
    With inflation low, now is a good time for workers to negotiate for pay increases that outstrip price rises and deliver real increases in wages and salaries. “For too many people, real pay increases have been missing for several years...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Auckland Rates Rises Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that Auckland ratepayers will face an average of a 29 percent rates increase, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “These rate rises show that Len Brown's spending is out of control.”...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Protest at New Plymouth Oil and Gas Expo
    About 30 protesters from Climate Justice Taranaki, Frack-free Kapiti, Te Uru Pounamu Action Group, Oil Free Wellington, Frack-free Manawatu and the east coast protested yesterday outside New Plymouth's biennial Oil and Gas Expo at the TSB Stadium....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • FMA warns consumers about cold-calling investment offers
    The Financial Markets Authority (FMA) is warning New Zealand consumers and investors to be wary of cold-calls asking them to buy shares or put their money into offshore firms....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Comprehensive plan needed to end child poverty
    Child Poverty Action Group says it is vital the newly re-elected National government takes a planned and comprehensive approach to reducing child poverty in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Metiria Gets Feed the Kids
    Yesterday the Speaker of the House advised that he had accepted my request to transfer my Feed the Kids (Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment) Bill to Metiria Turei of the Green Party....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • DIA undercover investigation leads to jailing
    An undercover Internal Affairs investigation has led to a Hastings man being jailed for three and half years....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of Balibo Five
    Media Information: Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of journalist Gary Cunningham and the Balibo Five...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Australia and NZ actions on press freedoms alarming
    Global support for investigative journalism in Australia and New Zealand is a welcome response to law changes and a police raid, says the Pacific Freedom Forum...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call for release of French journalists in West Papua
    West Papua Action Auckland, the EPMU Print and Media Council and the NZ Media Freedom Network call on the Minister of Foreign Affairs to speak out in support of the two French TV journalists whose trial has just begun in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Court of Appeal: Dotcom v 20th Century Fox Film Corporation
    A The appeal is dismissed. B The 20 August 2014 order of the High Court dealing with confidentiality and the 29 August 2014 order of this Court dealing with confidentiality are set aside. C The confidentiality orders set out in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Glassons Blasted For Glamourising Animal Cruelty
    Clothing brand Glassons have found themselves embroiled in another controversy after launching a new advert featuring a girl riding a bull. Animal advocacy organisation SAFE have asked them to remove the ad immediately as it glamourises animal cruelty....
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet
    Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet Federated Farmers Bee Industry Group applauds the tough line taken by Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) Border Staff at Auckland Airport. In deporting the couple found trying to smuggle bee products...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Taxpayers’ Union Responds to Joyce on Corporate Welfare
    Responding to Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce’s defence of corporate welfare , Jim Rose, the author of Monopoly Money , a Taxpayers Union report on corporate welfare since 2008, says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
    Today’s speech from the Throne confirms the Government’s focus on children, youth and their families in the areas of health, education, youth employment, poverty alleviation and Whānau Ora; now the challenge is to ensure every child in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
    “John Key has clearly been looking to the US for his latest bright idea on dealing with employment issues,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty coordinator Sue Bradford. “Job fairs where the desperately unemployed queue in their corporate best to compete...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
    Federated Farmers spokesman Graham Smith's call for a 'rethink' on release of GeneticallyEngineered organisms is misguided, and instead it is time for a formal moratorium on GMOs in the environment.(1)...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
    Wellington, 21 October 2014--Mining phosphate on the Chatham Rise, off the east coast of New Zealand’s south island, could potentially have many impacts on marine mammals like whales and dolphins, the Environmental Protection Agency was told today....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
    Te Kaunihera Māori, the Māori Council of the New Zealand Labour Party, have passed a resolution to endorse the Hon Nanaia Mahuta as the next leader of the Labour Party...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
    Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has announced that he will be organising a nationwide petition to seek support from Maori voters to end the Maori seats. “These seats are patronising”, he says. “They imply we need a special status, and that...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
    Josh Forman is pleased to announce the creation of a new force on the Left of politics in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
    A new report by Victoria University’s Centre for Labour, Employment and Work shows that public servants are working significant unpaid overtime to ensure the public services New Zealanders value are able to continue....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
    Andrew Little’s probability of being the next leader of the Labour Party has reached 70% and Jacinda Ardern is favourite to become his deputy, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
    Christchurch Men’s Prison’s Drug Treatment Unit (DTU) celebrated the completion of its 50th six month Drug and Alcohol Programme today, with the graduation of a further twelve offenders....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
    The UN Women National Committee Aotearoa New Zealand (UN Women NCANZ) welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the United Nations Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use its position to proactively promote effective implementation of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
    Waipareira and The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) have signed a Memorandum of Understanding at Whanau Centre, Henderson – marking a special day for the West Auckland Urban Maori organisation....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
    Global Peace and Justice Auckland is calling on the government to provide humanitarian funding for non-aligned NGOs (non-governmental organisations) in the Middle East rather than give any support whatever for the US-led military campaign in the area....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
    The United States of America is seeking the extradition of Messrs Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and Van Der Kolk. The matter has been before the Courts on numerous occasions, and no further recitation of the facts is needed....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
    “The fossil fuel industry is the biggest threat to our very existence as Pacific Islanders. We stand to lose our homes, our communities and our culture. But we are fighting back. This coming Friday thirty Pacific Climate Warriors, joined by...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Many tourist car accidents preventable
    Simple steps could dramatically reduce the number of accidents involving tourists, says the car review website dogandlemon.com ....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
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