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Roofpainter II: Son of the bride of the monster roof painter

Written By: - Date published: 7:00 pm, September 30th, 2012 - 126 comments
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David Shearer was on The Nation on Sunday, continuing to emphasise for us all that he sees absolutely no problem in psychically diagnosing people’s health based on their neighbour’s greedy, judgemental envy.

Per the transcript:

And he rejected criticism from his party’s left over his references to a sickness beneficiary who had been well enough to paint a roof.

“You know you work, you pay your taxes, and then when you need it you lose your job, you have an accident, the State looks after you.

“As soon as you’re able to get back onto your feet again, the expectation is that you go back and you start paying your way again.”

He elaborates:

the speech that I made is about fairness, and it is about a social contract, and it is about paying your way, and then living up to your responsibilities at the other end.  That’s all it was, and New Zealanders are very very attuned to somebody doing the right thing, whether it be paying their taxes, or not taking advantage of the welfare system.

Now sure, there’s nothing wrong with fairness, and there’s nothing wrong with talking about “doing the right thing” – what is wrong is the Leader of the Labour Party claiming he gives a crap about fairness while continuing to defend that anecdote.

Because if he wasn’t calling the guy painting his roof an evil bludger, if he wasn’t taking it upon himself to judge another person’s right to a benefit, if he wasn’t in favour of believing everything a grudge-holding stranger tells him … he wouldn’t still be saying “as soon as you’re able to get back onto your feet again”.  He wouldn’t be saying “New Zealanders are very attuned to somebody doing the right thing.”

Because all that says is “clearly, this guy was back on his feet, and clearly his neighbour was “attuned” enough to make medical judgements about him.”

David Shearer, plainly, still thinks it’s okay to make assumptions about other people based on gossip.  David Shearer still thinks it’s okay to label people he’s never met as bludgers just to make some point about “fairness” – and per my previous post, it’s a very nasty kind of “fairness” that involves throwing sick people into the gutter just because it’ll win a vote from their petty, mean-spirited neighbours.

David Shearer, Leader of the Labour Party, literally uses the phrase paying your way to describe how people should behave.

Meanwhile, somewhere else, another David was delivering an interesting speech about economics and supporting the vulnerable.  Lucky for him Labour’s a “broad church”, right, David S?

126 comments on “Roofpainter II: Son of the bride of the monster roof painter”

  1. kousei 1

    Shearer continuing to justify the use of this anecdote is disturbing. By itself it is enough to turn me right off the labour party. There are just so many things wrong about judging someone in that situation without credible knowledge of that person’s circumstances. The longer he sticks to his line the more it says he is just vote seeking in National’s traditional territory.

    • MrSmith 1.1

      “The longer he sticks to his line the more it says he is just vote seeking in National’s traditional territory.”

      That appears to be exactly what he is doing because the Media and General public seem to lap it up, Shearer appears to be saying what the majority want to hear.

      So how to change the Public’s and Medias view, well winning the next election first would be a good place to start and to do that you need to be saying what the majority of People want to hear.

    • Mary 1.2

      “By itself it is enough to turn me right off the labour party.”

      Shearer’s so-called blunder is just one in a very long line of “blunders” that started by axing the special benefit in the early 2000s, continued throughout that decade and are alive and well today – those “blunders” just haven’t stopped. In isolation it’d be easy to dismiss some of Shearer’s and other Labourite comments as stemming for ignorance or naivety around the subtleties of the issues but that’s just rubbish. Labour abandoned traditional Labour values a long time ago never to be seen again. They are in a state of decay and we must do all we can to help that decay along. The aim now for the Left should be to assist the Greens oust Labour as one of the two main parties. That will be a very happy moment in NZ’s history indeed, opening the way for a revitalised Mana Party or equivalent to sit further to the Left and help ensure NZ recaptures the meaning of a truly caring and inclusive society. Until Labour is destroyed they’ll just keep competing with the Right for the “who can screw the poor and vulnerable the most and get away with it” award. If we truly want a fair and caring NZ then we need to realise how much of a menace and a liability Labour is, then get rid of them.

  2. just saying 2

    This is about the fourth time he’s tried to garble out these words in response to questioning following the roofpainter “anecdote”. The spin-doctor who wrote them must be thrilled that he almost got it right this time.

    (prev on radio twice and once on stuff’s question-Shearer programme).

    If you listen to him, and god knows he’d bore a battery hen, he mainly repeats (or tries to) learned phrases to most questions

    Personally, I loathe the guy. I’d say he was as slippery as an eel, but he’s not articulate enough to pull it off, so he just tries to be. Only reason he’s not on the National backbench is the Labour leadership shoulder-tapped him and offered him a seat first. Like Chris Faafoi (sp), he wasn’t even a member of the party. (And so wonderfully democratic of them to do so.)

    I reckon he’s got a seventy percent chance of leading a one-term coalition government in 2014, solely on account of National’s abysmal performance. Gods help us.

    • karol 2.1

      he’d bore a battery hen

      That interview certainly bored me. Recorded it yesterday and tried to watch it this morning before work. With the boring factor plus some of the things he said (not just the roof painter thing), I gave up half way through. Dispiriting for him to be leader of the biggest opposition party in parliament.

      • Dr Terry 2.1.1

        Shearer is boring largely because he uses so much “political jargon” in his speeches. The comparison with yesterday’s brilliance of Cunliffe, makes for an embarrassment for the Labour Party. Incidentally, I doubt that all of National’s undoubted abysmal performance will take very much away from them. Too many voters lack discernment about leaders, as well as keeping intact their immensely short memories.

  3. keith ross 3

    I am the same as above. I was always labour voter but after being on Acc for 5 years the comment about the guy painting his roof is just wrong. He could be like me, ok when pumped up on drugs some of the time but if I do anything then even the hard drugs do not give me relief. I have to crawl out of bed to get to the loo and the medicine in the mornings. I could be that guy on the roof, but there is no way that I could hold a job down .Thank god that the greens have come of age in time for people like me

  4. Colonial Viper 4

    Glad you put this together QoT.

    Shearer also says that Labour will make room within it for both the Left wing and the Right Wing, because Labour is a “broad church”.

    Of course this is a total bastardisation of what a ‘broad church’ means, IMO there is no need to give a special welcome to misogynists, racists, or neo-liberals inside the Labour “broad church”.

    (please excuse the fact I used the same quote earlier this evening)

    He said he disagreed with the claim earlier this year by Economic Development spokesman, David Cunliffe that voters who deserted Labour did so because they party’s policies as not very different to National’s.

    However he said there was room for Mr Cunliffe inside Labour because it was “a broad church”.

    “There are many people who vote Labour from what you might call left and to the right as well.

    “It’s a broad church and what we’re looking for is to be a party for all New Zealanders, not just one of the other.”

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/shearer-hints-front-bench-shake-ck-129842

    • QoT 4.1

      Shearer seems to think “broad church” means “everyone is a big happy family and we pretend to never agree on things and I just agree with whoever I’m currently talking to”. Which in my experience is the basis for some fantastic explosions when the internal tension gets too high.

    • Good grief!

      That kind of rhetoric would go down well in United Future.

      Yes, the leader of a major party should serve the interests of all New Zealanders – but only by implementing policies based on their particular understanding of how the world works which, we hope, they believe will serve the best interests of New Zealand as a whole.

      From the start, my one question about Shearer was what he actually understood about how the social, political and economic worlds operate. (Saying you believe in a world where everyone has ‘opportunity’ and ‘pays their way’ and where we all get along together doesn’t count as an understanding, BTW. It just counts as using rhetoric.)

      I still have no idea what his understanding of the world is, to the point where it’s hard for me to escape the conclusion that he has no idea – and probably hasn’t thought much about it.

      That makes him, at best, a straw in the wind.

      You can try dressing that up as ‘centre-left pragmatism’ or some such, if you like, but ‘pragmatism’ in politics is a close kin of either a very cynical approach to policy implementation or of vacuity (i.e., straw fodder for the political winds).

      • Mary 4.2.1

        Labour’s belief in the deserving/undeserving poor (because that’s precisely the thinking that’s been part of Labour for a long time and that Shearer’s continuing to push, just look at what the Paganis etc etc) means we’ll never have a caring society because on this one basic and fundamental question they are no different from what National/ACT/United Future/NZ First/Conservatives/Libertarianz etc hold central to their thinking. The answer therefore is that we need to replace Labour with a party that does not subscribe to this belief. The obvious party to do this is the Greens (although it doesn’t necessarily have to be them). A strong Left grouping could then develop around this. One things for sure though and that’s for as long as Labour remains one of the two main parties the Left is stuffed.

        • Kotahi Tāne Huna 4.2.1.1

          I disagree. The Labour Party has a mass of institutional knowledge and experience in government, and it has the brand. It wasn’t very long ago that a Labour Prime Minister enjoyed more popularity than any before her.

          We are being taught a very harsh lesson in why its core values are important to the health of a nation. Labour, despite their occasional Quisling tendencies, like it or not, will be part of the solution.

          • Mary 4.2.1.1.1

            How can they be when blaming the victim is a cornerstone of its belief system?

            • Kotahi Tāne Huna 4.2.1.1.1.1

              Citation please.

              “How can they be…?” Realpolitik, if nothing else.

              • Mary

                Social Security Amendment Act 2007 is a pretty good example.

              • Mary

                Thought you were referring to how blaming the victim is bound up in its core values. Sure, they can be part of the next government and probably will be. My point is that our society will never be as inclusive or caring as it should be while Labour is one of the two main parties because it’s foundation is fundamentally too close to National’s.

                • Kotahi Tāne Huna

                  I think you are conflating The New Zealand Labour Party’s recent policies and the core values of the Labour movement – or Socialism if you prefer.

                  But it isn’t just about that – it’s about power.

                  btw: This is what Labour says it’s about. You were saying?

                  • Mary

                    I’m not conflating anything. Labour’s recent policies show precisely how it’s abandoned its original core values. Its Social Security Amendment Act 2007 is wholly consistent with National Party welfare policy but nobody bothers looking at it because nobody could ever believe that Labour could be responsible for such nasty and odious legislation. The 2007 amendment act is just one example. But you have to read it to believe it. Labour did other similar things early on during the Clark years which also went unnoticed. Again, you have to go back and look at precisely what they did to understand. Near the end of that clip it said “Labour was back, and people mattered more than ideology” (straight after shots of Douglas and Richardson I might add) which is total rubbish. The Social Security Amendment Act introduced work-testing invalid’s beneficiaries FFS (as well as a whole bunch of other nasties). Sound familiar? Clue: Shearer-sickness beneficiary-roof. Like I said, I’m not conflating anything. I’m saying that Labour has fundamentally changed, which is something you don’t seem to acknowledge.

    • Steve Wrathall 4.3

      “…there is no need to give a special welcome to misogynists, racists…”
      So Maoris who expect special treatment and for their wahines to sit quietly at the back of the marae are out?

  5. BM 5

    Maybe the neighbour know’s he’s a useless bludging fuck who’s ripping of the hard working people of NZ, which is the reason he’s speaking to David.
    Socialism where everyone works together and if not to the fucking gulags for the shirkers.

    • Roy 5.1

      Then again, maybe the neighbour is an intolerant judgmental old prick who doesn’t understand that a person can be physically well enough to paint a roof but not mentally well enough to do a 9 to 5 job. One thing’s sure, neither the whiny neighbour or David Shearer are the roofpainter’s GP or other medical professional who signed the roofpainter up for the sickness benefit, so neither of them has the faintest idea what they are talking about and should mind their own business.

    • weka 5.2

      Doesn’t explain why Shearer would believe him without thinking the issue through.

    • QoT 5.3

      You know, BM, if the neighbour had any factual basis to his insinuations, I’m pretty sure WINZ would love to have heard from him, and he would’ve been bragging to Shearer (still assuming any of this story is authentic) about getting the bludger locked up.

      Now of course, I may be jumping to conclusions here in thinking you’re a judgemental asshat, but maybe I’m wrong. You could be a medical doctor who’s worked closely with the dude on the roof and can actually put forward an informed opinion on his condition! Feel free to provide actual evidence of this at any time you like.

      • weka 5.3.1

        Not so sure. There’s lots of people who think that dobbing is even worse than bludging. On the other hand, there are also lots of people who like the weight of the chip on their shoulder.

        • BloodyOrphan 5.3.1.1

          Most are trying to contribute and point out obvious observations.
          The error is in the interpretation, but he (Shearer) doesn’t want to show weakness of mind.
          He really needs to find a much better analogy about fairness, the “koha” principle would be a good one
          And he needs to redefine the word sick in a civilised sense maybe
          We’ve always been trying to educate people, x% have failed, we have too accept that, criminal outcome or not.

      • Kotahi Tāne Huna 5.3.2

        I don’t think the roof painter or the neighbour even exist – Shearer or one of his “brains” “trust” made them up.

    • millsy 5.4

      What about the wealthy who are demanding tax cut after tax cut even though they know full well that it will lead to cuts in services for the rest?

    • Warren 5.5

      Heard of Scandinavia?

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 5.6

      BM’s “thoughts” on “socialism”. So relevant, so insightful. lol

  6. Pete 6

    It’s interesting that he says he doesn’t read the blogs. Sure, we’re not opinion shapers like the msm, but he ignores the activist base at his peril.

    • QoT 6.1

      I can believe he doesn’t read them himself – he should, theoretically, be a busy man – but someone in his media team must be keeping an eye on them, if only so they know when Clare Curran decides to grace WO with another bridge-building guest post *headdesk*

      • mickysavage 6.1.1

        They (caucus and Shearer’s office) read the blogs all the time.  They are particularly critical of and afraid of the Standard.  They do need to get a grip.  Blogs are the current version of good old fashioned meetings where people would stand up and say what they thought and hold their MPs to account.

        And I agree Pete.  Shearer should pay more attention to his activist base and less to the chattering classes. 

      • Kotahi Tāne Huna 6.1.2

        wtf! I don’t follow Mr. Oil, so this comes as a surprise. Blood boiling now.

        • QoT 6.1.2.1

          It’s a bloody boring post, too. Especially if. You find it a little mind-numbing. Reading things which aren’t. Written using full sentences.

          (Linking to the RA blog not WO’s because, you know, ew.)

          • weka 6.1.2.1.1

            This is funny:

             

            Cactus Kate says:

            Clare
            You asked Whale to do door knocking with you? Words cannot begin to describe the amusement of that.

             
            Clare Curran says:

            @Cactus He would have had to come to Dunedin. It would have been an interesting experience for him. Real people on real doorsteps. I would ahve been gracious. I would have hoped he would behave himself and put his case.

             
            Cactus Kate says:

            @Clare I think my point is that the National Party wouldn’t even let Whale door knock for them!

          • Kotahi Tāne Huna 6.1.2.1.2

            QoT, I’d be rhetorically asking you this question, but since Ms. Curran is present, perhaps she could answer it herself.

            When is your guest post appearing on The Standard, Ms. Curran?

            [lprent: We tend to be adverse to sitting MP's writing posts here. We have done it on special occasions like the leadership debate or as election questions. But if you think about it, the site makes a pretty strong claim towards not getting any money from taxpaid sources. MP's are paid by the taxpayer and they can be considered to never really being off-duty. Personally I can't really be bothered arguing the semantics and nuances of that with the mindless morons. ]

      • Rhinocrates 6.1.3

        The lying prick reads them. Exactly like John Key, he just claims not to because he’d have to start answering some very awkward questions about why he doesn’t immolate himself right away.

  7. Blue 7

    “…helping those on welfare to get jobs, not blaming them for being poor.”

    “paying your way…not taking advantage of the welfare system.”

    Which is the statement of the leader of the Labour Party?

    • QoT 7.1

      … I sense a trick!

      • Blue 7.1.1

        Statement 1 was spoken by David Cunliffe.

        Statement 2 was spoken by David Shearer.

        There’s no trick, just a question of why the fuck the leader of the Labour Party sounds like he should be off bashing bennies with Paula while the guy who should be the leader of Labour is being stymied by his caucus colleagues.

      • Jokerman 7.1.2

        still loving your work. Night. ;)

        and….., for the umpteenth Time

        DAVID CUNLIFFE DAVID CUNLIFFE DAVID CUNLIFFE

        (if we are ever gonna’ “Break On Through To The Other Side”
        cos the day divides the night…”)

  8. millsy 8

    I dont think that DS has the commitment to the welfare and social security state that a Labour leader should have. The caucus should get rid of him and replace him with a leader who does. Until that, I will be giving my vote to the Alliance.

    • weka 8.1

      Wasted vote. Party voting Mana or the Greens will help prevent another NACT catastrophe.

      • Populuxe1 8.1.1

        I am yet to be convinced that a Labour-Greens coalition would be anything but dysfunctional, and there is no way in hell that Labour will even entertain the idea of coalition, or even a ten foot barge pole, with Mana. Mana is political poison – it will only ever be a cross-bench party, and not a long-lasting one.
        The problem with Mana is this: It’s an unstable Frankenstein’s monster sewn together for convenience from Maori activists alienated by the Maori Party, and old skool trade union socialists. Tino rangatiratanga is at the most basic level incompatible with State ownership and citizen equality. Eventually it will fall apart.
        Labour and the Greens are shambling centre-wards and have little rapport with people like Minto and Bradford, and every time Harawira opens his mouth he offends around 73% of the population. I’d almost be willing to bet money it won’t happen.

        • Colonial Viper 8.1.1.1

          and every time Harawira opens his mouth he offends around 73% of the population.

          He only needs to impress 1/4 of what’s leftover to become a powerful political force. Parliament is far better with Harawira in there.

          • Populuxe1 8.1.1.1.1

            Yes – I’d agree with that – but it will be cross-bench, not coalition

          • David H 8.1.1.1.2

            Also he (to be blunt) Keeps the bastards honest. As Hone, and he may be many things. Will NEVER let any govt he was in get into to shonky practices.

        • fatty 8.1.1.2

          “The problem with Mana is this: It’s an unstable Frankenstein’s monster sewn together for convenience from Maori activists alienated by the Maori Party, and old skool trade union socialists. Tino rangatiratanga is at the most basic level incompatible with State ownership and citizen equality.”

          I’ve heard many political scientists say that…but its because Mana doesn’t subscribe to classic political ideological paradigms. From what I can see, their policies are far more coherent than the ‘third way’ shambles that Nationa/Labour have delivered us since the 80s. The neo-trabalism we have thanks to the Pakeha definition of biculturalism is not normal, nor should it be accepted.
          Mana want reduced economic inequality, equity, and cultural equality…its not that hard to get your head around.
          Also, this ‘Frankenstein’s monster sewn together for convenience’ is an illusion perpetrated by right wing bloggers and an ignorant media. Sue Bradford, John Minto, and Matt McCarten are all class focused but have a long history of activism for Maori rights. Hone is Maori focused, but has also focused on economic inequality.

          “Eventually it will fall apart.”

          True, just as labour did in the 80s…everything falls apart and then continues to evolve.
          The Greens, Labour and Mana can easily work together, if they have the opportunity they will, they will disagree with some things, but the coalition will work. If there weren’t differences between the parties, then they would all be the same party, duh.

          ” I’d almost be willing to bet money it won’t happen.”

          The word ‘almost’ shows you don’t even believe your own post.

          • Populuxe1 8.1.1.2.1

            I’ve heard many political scientists say that…but its because Mana doesn’t subscribe to classic political ideological paradigms. From what I can see, their policies are far more coherent than the ‘third way’ shambles that Nationa/Labour have delivered us since the 80s.

            Coherent perhaps, but idealistic, parochial not real world.

            The neo-trabalism we have thanks to the Pakeha definition of biculturalism is not normal, nor should it be accepted.

            Aside from that being total gibberish, there is no consensus on what is “normal” for a post-colonial society. The tribalism was always there and part of Maori self-definition. What are you trying to say? Use your words.

            Mana want reduced economic inequality, equity, and cultural equality…its not that hard to get your head around.

            …The problem being that in power the two strange bedfellows would be implementing two very different processes to achieve it, and are I suspect lying to themselves about how the other interprets those goals.

            Also, this ‘Frankenstein’s monster sewn together for convenience’ is an illusion perpetrated by right wing bloggers and an ignorant media. Sue Bradford, John Minto, and Matt McCarten are all class focused but have a long history of activism for Maori rights. Hone is Maori focused, but has also focused on economic inequality.

            Um no, it’s based on an understanding of the politics of the participants and some common sense observation. Among the Greens Bradford was notorious for throwing tantrums when she didn’t get her way. Minto is stuck in the 1960s. Hone is certainly open about his prejudices but what about non-Maori poor?
             

            “Eventually it will fall apart.”
             
            True, just as labour did in the 80s…everything falls apart and then continues to evolve.
            The Greens, Labour and Mana can easily work together, if they have the opportunity they will, they will disagree with some things, but the coalition will work. If there weren’t differences between the parties, then they would all be the same party, duh.

            The Greens, Labour and Mana cannot “easily work together”. Hone couldn’t even work with the Maori Party – a party he was part of and he had more in common with. Coalitions generally involve the kinds of sacrifices I doubt Hone is prepared to make, and he is hated and feared by a substantial chunk of Pakeha Labour voters. Won’t happen.
             

            ” I’d almost be willing to bet money it won’t happen.”
             
            The word ‘almost’ shows you don’t even believe your own post.

            No, all it shows is I don’t like gambling and I acknowledge that there is a slim mathematical possibility of it happening.

            • Colonial Viper 8.1.1.2.1.1

              Hone couldn’t even work with the Maori Party – a party he was part of and he had more in common with.

              So Hone couldn’t work with National Party apologists and sell outs. Your surprise at this suggests that your analysis and assumptions come rather short.

              • Populuxe1

                Have you missed the whole running conversation about the new capitalist friendly, third way, National Lite Labour, or are you being a dick? – because that’s who Hone would have to go into coalition with.

            • fatty 8.1.1.2.1.2

              “not real world”

              That’s classic political ideological paradigm defining the ‘real world’. It doesn’t need to continue like that, but it will if we keep voting in the same blue/red – purple team. Or even a coalition led by them.

              “Aside from that being total gibberish, there is no consensus on what is “normal” for a post-colonial society.”

              In NZ, biculturalism has become normalised to the point that only one political party has made it into government and does not subscribe to it -ACT. So yes, normal in NZ.

              “The tribalism was always there and part of Maori self-definition. What are you trying to say?”

              I’m referring to neo-tribalism. Where tribes are now corporatised, which increases inequality and cultural disharmony, for the benefit of middle class/rich Pakeha and a few Maori. Elizabeth Rata has written about it, chapter 3 of this book. Or if you can get a copy of this book, it is worth a read. Bryce Edward’s chapter in that book is kinda covered on his own blog here, he critiques biculturalism and how we have all conformed to it.

              “The problem being that in power the two strange bedfellows would be implementing two very different processes to achieve it”

              No, Mana are talking about more economic equality for all. But also improving cultural equality for Maori. They can both be done together, if we want to. At the moment National gives a token push for Maori rights that get swamped by the dominant culture, and there is a move away from economic equality. Labour gives a token push for Maori rights that also gets swamped by the dominant culture, and Labour move (slowly) towards economic equality.
              I’m not sure why you think we can’t have more economic equality and more cultural equality to a greater degree.

              “Among the Greens Bradford was notorious for throwing tantrums when she didn’t get her way. Minto is stuck in the 1960s. Hone is certainly open about his prejudices but what about non-Maori poor?”

              Yes, among the Green’s Bradford caused issues because she didn’t approve the way they were moving to the centre (as you noted above). This occurred outside of a coalition. Struggling to maintain the Green’s values was the reason for the disagreement. Bradford within a coalition worked fine with Labour before. Despite how she is portrayed in the media, Bradford is able to work with other parties. If Mana stray from their principles outside of a coalition, then Bradford would have issues with that. But Bradford has proved she can compromise when part of a coalition government.
              Minto is an activist, yes, activism of that sort is not as popular now as it was in the 1960s, but I don’t see what that has to do with the price of fish.
              Hone is very clear about what he would do for non-Maori poor, the founding principle of Mana is: ‘In short, we will fight to bring the voice of the poor, the powerless and the dispossessed into Parliament.’

              “Hone couldn’t even work with the Maori Party – a party he was part of and he had more in common with.Coalitions generally involve the kinds of sacrifices I doubt Hone is prepared to make, and he is hated and feared by a substantial chunk of Pakeha Labour voters. Won’t happen.”

              CV has stated why the rednecks dislike of Hone is irrelevant. Its called MMP. Its why we know who Rodney Hide is.
              Here is Hone in his own words about what he stands for, what Mana stands for, and why.

              • Jokerman

                great analysis f. ;)

              • Populuxe1

                “not real world”
                That’s classic political ideological paradigm defining the ‘real world’. It doesn’t need to continue like that, but it will if we keep voting in the same blue/red – purple team. Or even a coalition led by them.

                Perhaps, but short of aliens invading, the second coming, or magic, it’s what we’ve got to work with and it won’t be changing anytime soon, so I’d like to work pragmatically in the now.
                 

                “Aside from that being total gibberish, there is no consensus on what is “normal” for a post-colonial society.”
                 
                In NZ, biculturalism has become normalised to the point that only one political party has made it into government and does not subscribe to it -ACT. So yes, normal in NZ.

                Given the examples offered by most other postcolonial societies, biculturalism seems the best of a bad lot, though it fails to address the multicultural reality of most 21st century OECD states. By your own admittion, however, Mana also subscribes to biculturalism. Anything else would be grossly unfair to one or other group in the equation.
                 
                 

                I’m referring to neo-tribalism. Where tribes are now corporatised, which increases inequality and cultural disharmony, for the benefit of middle class/rich Pakeha and a few Maori. Elizabeth Rata has written about it, chapter 3 of this book. Or if you can get a copy of this book, it is worth a read. Bryce Edward’s chapter in that book is kinda covered on his own blog here, he critiques biculturalism and how we have all conformed to it.

                It’s all well and good to bitch about it, but kind of pointless if no one can’t suggest a viable and fair alternative that all concerned will subscribe to. I see a lot of airy-fairy ivory or pounamu tower idealism and post-structuralist theory, but very little suggestion of credible alternatives.
                 

                “The problem being that in power the two strange bedfellows would be implementing two very different processes to achieve it”
                 
                No, Mana are talking about more economic equality for all. But also improving cultural equality for Maori. They can both be done together, if we want to. At the moment National gives a token push for Maori rights that get swamped by the dominant culture, and there is a move away from economic equality. Labour gives a token push for Maori rights that also gets swamped by the dominant culture, and Labour move (slowly) towards economic equality.

                Maori cultural equality is deeply concerned with self-determination and an as yet unclearly defined guardianship of the land by individual iwi (thereby creating inequalities within Maoridom itself). It is difficult to see how this can be achieved without eroding some of the basic equalities guaranteed by the State in a Socialist environment. 

                I’m not sure why you think we can’t have more economic equality and more cultural equality to a greater degree.

                I don’t think that at all – but that depends on the definition of “cultural equality” and I tend to think economic equality has priority.
                 

                Yes, among the Green’s Bradford caused issues because she didn’t approve the way they were moving to the centre (as you noted above). This occurred outside of a coalition. Struggling to maintain the Green’s values was the reason for the disagreement. Bradford within a coalition worked fine with Labour before. Despite how she is portrayed in the media, Bradford is able to work with other parties. If Mana stray from their principles outside of a coalition, then Bradford would have issues with that. But Bradford has proved she can compromise when part of a coalition government.

                That’s a lot to have faith in when you don’t even know what Labour wound set out as non-negotiable terms of coalition.

                Minto is an activist, yes, activism of that sort is not as popular now as it was in the 1960s, but I don’t see what that has to do with the price of fish.

                Because the democratic system depends heavily on popular perception and likeability.

                Hone is very clear about what he would do for non-Maori poor, the founding principle of Mana is: ‘In short, we will fight to bring the voice of the poor, the powerless and the dispossessed into Parliament.’

                Not without considerable resentment. A poor, powerless and dispossessed “white mutherfucker” is still a “white mutherfucker” – you are asking a sector of the electorate to vote for someone who has been quite open and honnest (refreshingly so) about how much he hates them. Identity politics cuts both ways in public perception
                 

                “Hone couldn’t even work with the Maori Party – a party he was part of and he had more in common with.Coalitions generally involve the kinds of sacrifices I doubt Hone is prepared to make, and he is hated and feared by a substantial chunk of Pakeha Labour voters. Won’t happen.”
                CV has stated why the rednecks dislike of Hone is irrelevant. Its called MMP. Its why we know who Rodney Hide is.
                Here is Hone in his own words about what he stands for, what Mana stands for, and why.

                Brushing off dislike of Hone as “redneck” is neither fair or accurate. A lot of very reasonable, liberal Pakeha were quite legitimately offended by some of Hone’s comments. And the poison spreads surprisingly far when many Tangata Whenua have a Pakeha parent, spouse or other close and loved whanau for example. In any case, unless Labour offers a coalition deal, this is all very hypothetical, and I still think Mana is very much a “last cab off the rank” possibility for Labour , if not the Greens.

                • fatty

                  “it’s what we’ve got to work with and it won’t be changing anytime soon, so I’d like to work pragmatically in the now.”

                  I don’t subscribe to TINA…I’ve never been a fan a Maggie Thatcher and her propaganda.

                  “By your own admittion, however, Mana also subscribes to biculturalism.”

                  Yes, but they strongly resist neoliberal capitalism…nobody else does that to that degree. Its not biculturalism that is the problem, its the fact that biculturalism is built on neoliberalism, which ensures economic and cultural remain vastly unequal.

                  “I see a lot of airy-fairy ivory or pounamu tower idealism and post-structuralist theory, but very little suggestion of credible alternatives.”

                  Yeah, those links were to explain about neotribalism. Mana’s policies are the credible alternatives / solutions.

                  “Maori cultural equality is deeply concerned with self-determination and an as yet unclearly defined guardianship of the land by individual iwi (thereby creating inequalities within Maoridom itself). It is difficult to see how this can be achieved without eroding some of the basic equalities guaranteed by the State in a Socialist environment.”
                  For about the 3rd time in 24 hours, Mana are not socialist.

                  “That’s a lot to have faith in when you don’t even know what Labour wound set out as non-negotiable terms of coalition.”
                  You say that as if Sheaer has a backbone…you maybe right, my guess is that if Labour do manage to get in, they will work with Labour. Hone has said he would work with Labour.

                  “Because the democratic system depends heavily on popular perception and likeability.”
                  Not in NZ, we have MMP. Often being hated by much of NZ can be an asset to getting into Government. John Banks, Rodney Hide, Nandor, Sue Bradford…all hated by most people and all part of stable coalitions.

                  • Populuxe1

                    “it’s what we’ve got to work with and it won’t be changing anytime soon, so I’d like to work pragmatically in the now.”
                    I don’t subscribe to TINA…I’ve never been a fan a Maggie Thatcher and her propaganda.

                    Your opinion is largely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the evil cow managed to stay in power for eleven years and mould Britian to suit her vision of how the world should be.

                    For about the 3rd time in 24 hours, Mana are not socialist.

                    They are to the Left, yes? Bradford and Minto are socialists, yes? And coalition with Labour-Greens will be a *ahem* socialist-ish environment, yes?
                     

                    Hone has said he would work with Labour.

                    Will Labour work with Hone?
                     

                    • fatty

                      “Your opinion is largely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the evil cow managed to stay in power for eleven years and mould Britian to suit her vision of how the world should be.”

                      My opinion is of the future, not of history. Please don’t play the redneck, playing dumb is getting boring. You can do way better than playing the redneck, back yourself.
                      My computer froze and I was unaware I’d posted up before I adjusted it, see below for my full response – “I don’t subscribe to TINA. However, you are right that it won’t be changing anytime soon. But I feel we should try and change it, otherwise we may as well just start smoking crack and give up.”

                      “They are to the Left, yes? Bradford and Minto are socialists, yes? And coalition with Labour-Greens will be a *ahem* socialist-ish environment, yes?”

                      Yes, no and yes.
                      Back to your original comment, which is quite different from those claims above, Mana are not socialist. ‘Socialist-ish’ is quite different

                      “Will Labour work with Hone?”

                      Yes, if it they need them. If Lab/ Green can do it without them, then probably not.

                • fatty

                  “it’s what we’ve got to work with and it won’t be changing anytime soon, so I’d like to work pragmatically in the now.”
                  …I don’t subscribe to TINA. However, you are right that it won’t be changing anytime soon. But I feel we should try and change it, otherwise we may as well just start smoking crack and give up.

                  “By your own admittion, however, Mana also subscribes to biculturalism.”
                  …Yes, but they strongly resist neoliberal capitalism, nobody else does that to that degree. Its not biculturalism that is the problem, its the fact that biculturalism is built on neoliberalism, which ensures economic and cultural remain vastly unequal.

                  “I see a lot of airy-fairy ivory or pounamu tower idealism and post-structuralist theory, but very little suggestion of credible alternatives.”
                  …Those links were to explain about neotribalism. Mana’s policies are what I see as the credible alternatives / solutions.

                  “Maori cultural equality is deeply concerned with self-determination and an as yet unclearly defined guardianship of the land by individual iwi (thereby creating inequalities within Maoridom itself). It is difficult to see how this can be achieved without eroding some of the basic equalities guaranteed by the State in a Socialist environment.”
                  …Mana are not socialist.

                  “That’s a lot to have faith in when you don’t even know what Labour wound set out as non-negotiable terms of coalition.”
                  ….You say that as if Sheaer has a backbone! You maybe right, my guess is that if Labour do manage to get in, they will work with Labour. Hone has said he would work with Labour.

                  “Because the democratic system depends heavily on popular perception and likeability.”
                  …Not in NZ, we have MMP. Often being hated by much of NZ can be an asset to getting into Government. John Banks, Rodney Hide, Nandor, Sue Bradford – all hated by most people and all part of stable coalitions.

                  “A poor, powerless and dispossessed “white mutherfucker” is still a “white mutherfucker”
                  …he was talking about a culture in its historical context. I’m white and I know for sure he wasn’t talking about me. What disturbs me about that incident, and the ‘nigger’ statement, is that Hone needs to drop the n-bomb, or f-bomb to get on TV. I do understand how it gets taken the wrong way.

                  “Brushing off dislike of Hone as “redneck” is neither fair or accurate. ”
                  True…we will see if a coalition forms.

                • Jokerman

                  thoughtful

        • weka 8.1.1.3

          “I am yet to be convinced that a Labour-Greens coalition would be anything but dysfunctional,”

          My comment was that voting for anything other than a L/G coalition is a wasted vote. Whatever criticisms that the left has about Labour or the Greens or Mana, the most important thing is to prevent another NACT govt. They’re doing enormous damage and it has to be stopped, or at least slowed down. The only way to do that is for the Left parties to have enough votes to from government.

          People giving their vote to the Alliance, or not voting, or spoiling their voting paper are giving assent to NACT to form a govt. We don’t have the luxury of voting our personal preferences. NZers really need to wake the fuck up about tactical voting under MMP.

          • Kotahi Tāne Huna 8.1.1.3.1

            Yep. As useless as Shearer may be, he’s a country mile better than the corrupt incompetence of the National Party.

          • fatty 8.1.1.3.2

            “My comment was that voting for anything other than a L/G coalition is a wasted vote.”

            Do you see a vote for Mana as a wasted vote?

            • weka 8.1.1.3.2.1

              Not at all. I hope that Mana will have enough votes to be needed in a confidence and supply agreement at least (can’t see them as part of a formal coalition to be honest, the way that Labour are currently, but haven’t looked very closely at the numbers either).

              However, people that want to vote Mana need to think more strategically than Labour or Green voters (although there is strategy there too). Part of the problem is that how to vote isn’t always that obvious until closer to the election. 

              The Left parties really need to co-operate this election and look at accommodating each other in different electorates.

              NZF are the big worry. 

              • Tiger Mountain

                Mana is a party some thousands can vote for positively rather holding their nose. It is a hybrid grouping that has got people previously alientated, particularly younger ones, involved in old fashioned politics. In small battles often unreported Mana gets in there, pokies closed down in Otara, GI ‘ethnic cleansing’ state house tenants supported, Petronas sent packing, hunger striker Sam Kuha supported, countless local hui, marches and rallies about mining and National’s ‘war on the poor’.

                Hone plus Sykes plus Minto would be strong in the house. But the real advantage Mana has is its on the ground organising. You are talking out your rear Populuxe1 if you can dismiss Dr Elizabeth Rata and not be bothered to research the origin of Hone’s ‘mo’fo’ remarks.

                • Populuxe1

                  I understand them just fine – I have advanced university degrees dealing with that sort of material – but when people come out with arguments like that, effectively saying to the electorate “if you don’t understand or disagree, you are ignorant or a redneck” they come across as an elitist wanker. I like to play the redneck just to see if some people can come out of their ivory tower for a few minutes.

                  • fatty

                    Thats a weird way to spend your time Pop.
                    If you have advanced degrees dealing with post-colonial material, then how do you come to the conclusion that Mana are socialists, or are you playing the redneck?

                    • Jokerman

                      Hone has my vote, oh generously proportioned one.(for percy reasons)
                      Voting is often personal, funny that.

          • Steve Wrathall 8.1.1.3.3

            “They’re doing enormous damage and it has to be stopped…”
            They are spending a larger % of GDP than any year under Helen. You should love Key.

            • Kotahi Tāne Huna 8.1.1.3.3.1

              lol, that’s your dumbass prejudice being unmasked, Wrathall – you know, the one where you pretend to have the first clue what left wingers think or want.

            • weka 8.1.1.3.3.2

              Why is that a good thing and anyway it doesn’t excuse the damage they are doing.

              • Kotahi Tāne Huna

                He thinks left wingers will think it’s a good thing because we all love “big government”. On Planet Wrathall.

      • Vicky32 8.1.2

        Wasted vote. Party voting ….. the Greens will help prevent another NACT catastrophe.

        Surely you jest! That’s what caused last year’s catastrophe. Just about everyone I talked to voted blue-green (by which I mean, that they thought Labour was too pro-bludger) but they liked the Greens refreshing approach to business and mining…

        • felix 8.1.2.1

          “That’s what caused last year’s catastrophe.”

          Think it through Vicky. What was the other option?

          Hint: It’s not “blue-red.”

      • millsy 8.1.3

        Mana are idiots. They stick the eyeshadow of ‘tino rangatiratanga’ the lipstick of ‘treaty settlements’, the mascara of ‘The Treaty’ and the blusher of ‘Whanau Ora’ on the pig of privatisation.

        The Greens, while part of the way there, dont seem to get that moving towards alternative fuels, renewable/clean energy, energy efficent transpor, and organic agriculture require a combination of R and D stimulus like the space program during the 60′s and a green version of the ‘Think Big’ projects during the 1970s and 80s. They seem to think that we should just pass a few laws and levy a few taxes. Plus, they have not yet made it clear whether they would allow local authorites to run PT services ‘in house’. Not to mention that they have never really made an effort to reach out to the hunting/fishing/tramping types.

        The Alliance may never get back into Parliament, but hey, Labour doesnt looks like its resurrecting MJS, WN and AN just yet., and besides it was because of them that Ports of Auckland are still in public ownership , and without them we wouldnt have KiwiBank.

        And if you think everything is going to be so wonderful with David Cunliffe as Labour leader, I suggest you think again. After all, he did say in 2008 he had private health insurance…and last year as finance spokesman, he promised to continue with Nationals civil service cuts.

  9. BLiP 9

    .

    David Zzzzzzzzzz Shearer . . .

    Can’t make my mind up about this bloke. Seemed nice enough at the Mt Albert post-billboard-take-down after-match function. Haven’t really heard much from him since. I doubt there’s any amount of sheer logic and warm human caring that is going to shift his position on this nasty wee slice of back-hand beneficiary bashing. Certainly not a public back down, anyway. He’s gotta show the punters he’s down on the bludgers and, unfortunately, his target audience sitting in the public bars and cooking at barbeques aren’t very happy with the bludgers either. National Ltd™ policies and media presence has installed a mean, petty public mindset which spies on neighbours but smiles and waves at banksters and the privateers buying our education resources. The public gaze is off the ball. Thanks Fourth Estate. To appeal to this new mindset is to reflect its values in public, and be staunch about it. Labour also has to stifle the blind prejudice which perceives the party as run by dull dykes, uppity natives, screaming queens, panty-waisted dillettantes, career loafers, and, even worse, academics. Time to dumb it down and get a bit macho about things, swing his balls about and show who’s boss.

    Thing is, the words coming out of Shearer’s mouth – when they keep me awake – seem in stark contradiction with the chap I met in June 2009. I guess he’s in with the spin-meisters getting polished up for the hustings. I’m guessing he’s enduring that pre-election image-manufacturing and leadership grooming: that dehumanising process where the end result, the image merging from via multiple channels, is that of an automaton.

    I would like to hear from him in person some time. Media performance and PR bullshit posts on The Standard don’t cut it for me. Anyone know when he’s next going to be speaking in South Auckland . . . has he been to South Auckland?

    • QoT 9.1

      Time to dumb it down and get a bit macho about things, swing his balls about and show who’s boss.

      Goff tried that, and it failed abysmally. The problem is that trying to play to the audience we assume left Labour for National – i.e. Waitakere Myth – is pointless, because the only way for Labour to differentiate itself from National is to say vaguely leftwing things (like “let’s have more paid parental leave” and “let’s stop discriminating against beneficiaries through Working for Families”) which instantly negates whatever ground they might gain by aforementioned ball-swinging.

      And by avoiding those nasty progressive topics, Labour just makes it indistinguishable from National except for which face you see on the telly, and people seem to still prefer Mr Aw-Shucks Key (for now) to Mr Mumblefuck Shearer.

      Ironically, the one dude in Labour’s front bench who I think could go toe-to-toe against Key in the “dude you want to have a beer with” stakes is Cunliffe, who (I pray) would prefer to win through an actual debate of ideas.

    • Dr Terry 9.2

      Well, so many people thought (still think) Key “nice enough” (at the least!). Is being a “nice bloke” sufficient qualification for Leader?

  10. fatty 10

    Did anyone see series four, episode four of ‘the thick of it’ today?
    The similarities between that episode and the current Labour Party are uncanny.
    Labour needs a Malcolm Tucker.

  11. Scintilla 11

    Labour don’t want to be in power this term, still smarting over Seabed & Foreshore – they want the Nats to grapple with water rights. No contest between DS & DC and Labour really aren’t trying very hard to be an indefatigable Opposition. Even that old codger Winston “Key flip flops like a wet jandal” Peters lands more hits than Shearer.

    • Populuxe1 11.1

      I’m not sure that the spastic goat rodeo clusterfuck of National will let Labour have the option. Labour had better be ready to hit the ground running.

  12. hush minx 12

    I haven’t commented for awhile – been too depressed by watching the once proud Labour team fall under its own weight of self delusion. But reading this post reminded me that there are others who feel similarly critical. Thank you for reminding me that’s it’s ok not to like what Labour currently stands for(as represented by its leadership duo) and that it is ok to hope that things could improve if the caucus embrace the opportunity to promote change. We, and lots of nzers who don’t read blogs like this need, them to take that next step so we can vote this national government out in 2014. And blip-i thought cunliffe was a management consultant type, not a banker. At the very least he seems to have his head in the right space regardless of his work experience. Must be that ‘son of a preacher’ sense of social justice defying the big bad world of capital!

    • BLiP 12.1

      .

      Hmmmm . . . David “First Boston” Cunliffe vs Donald “Corn Beef” Brash. Interesting.

      • Colonial Viper 12.1.1

        David Cunliffe worked for BCG. Not for Credit Suisse/First Boston.

        As far as I know. Where did you get your information. I think you are wrong.

        • BLiP 12.1.1.1

          .

          I stand corrected. Thank you.

          David “Boston Consulting” Cunliffe.

          • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1.1

            Yep. Extremely well known internationally for providing absolute top class strategy work to corporates, NGO’s, governments and other large scale clients. They are not bankers or financiers.

            • BLiP 12.1.1.1.1.1

              .

              How can one offer absolutely top class strategy work for corporates without a consideration of the banking and financial aspects . . . you sure BCG isn’t one of them “team building trust fall encounter weekend” scam merchants masquerading as “management consultants”?

              Nah – just teasing. And, anyhow, fuck the banksters, and the businessmen, and the management consultants, and the diplomats, and the media stars, and the time-wasting career groomers (hi, Sam) scattered throughout Parliament. Time for some teachers, nurses, cops, farmers, builders, and labourers to step up, if you ask me.

              • Colonial Viper

                Time for some teachers, nurses, cops, farmers, builders, and labourers to step up, if you ask me.

                If existing political party hierarchies are willing to promote ordinary sensible people to become candidates and MPs.

            • insider 12.1.1.1.1.2

              Their senior leadership are nearly all ex bankers…

  13. mike 13

    Succinctly put QoT. That Shearer is actually defending this anecdote shows that either:

    A) In spite of the onslaught of criticism from his own base he just doesn’t get it. Or,

    B) He’s just saying what his spin team tells him to say.

    Either way he’s bleeding Labour votes to the Greens over this. And he’s gaining none because the tossers who agree with his roof painter line are true blue.

    • Draco T Bastard 13.1

      Either way he’s bleeding Labour votes to the Greens over this.

      He’s bleeding a number there but I also think that a few are dropping into the non-voter category.

      • mike 13.1.1

        Yep, when the two biggest parties in the house are both talking shite it doesn’t exactly inspire.

      • Bored 13.1.2

        The bleeding benefits National: if Labour voters go to Green that’s a zero gain. The message Shearer gave to ordinary Bene Bashing Joe was “Bennett is right, they are bludgers! I must vote National again”! Unfortunately the Joes’ out there represent a big voting block (was this Paganis strategy to win them over)?

    • xtasy 13.2

      It is simple:

      Shearer and those in charge within Labour do still adhere to the idea and agenda, that they need to win enough “middle NZ” (middle class) votes to get back into leading a government.

      As that “middle NZ” has been intensively “conditioned” (brainwashed) by means of extremely poor, often not fact-based, emotive and sensationalistic, negative media reporting, also by the nourishment of sentiments of envy, injustice and lack of competent government action, which National worked on for years when in opposition, which it certainly re-enforced since winning the election to govern since 2008, most in the public have that perception, that there is large scale abuse of welfare happening.

      Not even MSD has any figures saying that there is large scale abuse, but the wider public do in high numbers believe this.

      It is called propaganda, and Shearer and Labour see a necessity to not just put up with it, but even engage in it, just to try and win over any prospective voters in “middle NZ”.

      That is the standards politics have come to in New Zealand, like in many other countries. True information just does not “cut” it anymore (if it ever has).

      • Draco T Bastard 13.2.1

        +1

        Getting some truth out there is what we of the left need to be doing. Unfortunately, the major “left” party is pushing the BS out instead.

  14. xtasy 14

    Social Security Act 1964:

    54 Sickness benefit: standard eligibility requirements

    (1) A person is entitled to a sickness benefit if he or she satisfies the criteria in subsections (2), (3), and (4), and—

    (a) is not in full-time employment, is willing to undertake it, but because of sickness, injury, or disability is limited in his or her capacity to seek, undertake, or be available for full-time employment; or

    (b) is in employment, but is losing earnings because, through sickness or injury, he or she is not actually working, or is working only at a reduced level.

    An applicant for a sickness benefit—

    (a) must be aged at least 18 years, in the case of an applicant without a dependent child:

    (b) must be aged at least 19 years, in any other case.

    (3) An applicant for a sickness benefit must meet the residential requirements in section 74AA.

    (4) An applicant for a sickness benefit must have—

    (a) no income; or

    (b) an income of less than the amount that would fully abate the benefit.

    Link:
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1964/0136/latest/DLM361900.html

    So, dear Mr Shearer and some other “smart talkers”: Does being on a sickness benefit rule it totally out that a person may be able to do some odd work for certain hours, like for instance painting a roof?

    Obviously NOT.

    Maybe look at the actual legal and other facts, before ranting on about “fairness”, “paying your way” and so forth. Also, doctors and other health professionals do not hand out medical certs for cash on the hand or like cookies from a cookie jar! They are bound by law, their codes and standards to act responsibly and based on factual medical diagnosis.

    But the medically unqualified man in the street knows better, yeah right!?

  15. David H 15

    I posted this in open mike. But it belongs in here.

    Yes I too watched in numb horror, Has no-one in the Labour party worked it out yet??? Or maybe they have. BUT when we have a pull apart after the 2014 debacle that will be the election where the NZ Labour Party comes a woeful 3rd with fuck all seats behind a confident Green Party and A thieving NACT party in for the final round of theft and incompetence.
    We will be able to point the finger at OLD and PAST IT politicians clinging on with their fingertips. Pushing their own private agendas, just so they can suck at the public teat for another 3 years where they will have to do fuck all to get the money they are supposed to EARN!

    Now we all know who these old and past it ones are, so a little nudging in to the retirement rather than defeat.camp would be good.

    And will someone please please point out to shearer and his backers (Robertson) included is that he is not, and never will be, Prime Minister material, and neither are they, simply by the damage they have let happen to NZ, and it’s economy. By their self interest.

  16. Uturn 16

    Have I missed the moment of proof from Shearer that the guy on the roof was a sickness beneficiary? Was that ever proved?

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 16.1

      As I said above, I don’t think the roof painter exists. In the first(?) incarnation of the story, he was cleaning his roof, not painting it.

      So not only has Shearer invented the whole scenario, he’s so stupid/rightwing he thinks it’s a vote winner.

      • MrSmith 16.1.1

        It read as an analogy to me.

        If Shearer can win without getting to specific, all the easier for him later. At the moment he has to build a public image, some won’t like this, but how many will look at the detail before they vote.

        • Uturn 16.1.1.1

          So in short, Shearer is arguing to defend his support of the projection of a collective national shadow onto a tiny portion of the population. Jesus, what year is this? This is bad, bad, news.

          • MrSmith 16.1.1.1.1

            It’s not that bad Uturn as most people aren’t that stupid, except your average kiwis.

        • weka 16.1.1.2

          If Shearer was Maori bashing instead of beneficiary bashing, would it still be ok for him to build his public image that way? 

          • Colonial Viper 16.1.1.2.1

            well allow me to join the speech writing team dudes:

            Well we know that most Maori families are honest hard working folk, but when I was out door knocking in my electorate the other day, this nice clearly employed white guy in a business shirt (beautifully ironed by his wife/gay civil union partner) pointed out to me a failed Maori family across the street. He said (and I never saw this for myself) that they seemed to drink away the week days with their dole money, their unemployed kids seem a bit too friendly with patched gang members, they leave their youngest child hungry without shoes or lunch to go to school, and Mum usually seemed to leave home with a limp and sunglasses and scarves on, even on warm, cloudy days. And he, rightfully, said that this wasn’t on. Why couldn’t they be more like him?

            Now I don’t know about you but I don’t think the behaviour of that Maori family, if indeed what was relayed to me is accurate and why wouldn’t it be, is particularly fair to the rest of us productive, tax paying citizens, when they are soaking up all the resources of our country and giving roughly fuck all in return.

            All I’m saying here is that, you know, most Maori families are great people, and actually some of them are my friends, but others on benefits are just plain rotten; it’s just not what this thing that we love called a social contract is about.

          • MrSmith 16.1.1.2.2

            Weka racism is the worst kind of prejudice on this planet as far as I am concerned and I don’t appreciate you using it as a comparison, you are smarter than that.

            I try and look at things through the average joe’s eyes, and what I see is Key came to power as the rich banker from a poor home. Now Shearer, well most people don’t know a thing about him and could care less, but when the time comes for them to tick their little box he needs to mean something to them, hope, trust and fairness mostly, and lets hope if he ever gets his shit together he lives up to that.

            • QoT 16.1.1.2.2.1

              MrSmith, I don’t really like the Oppression Olympics. Labelling any one kind of oppression as “the worst” is incredibly demeaning to everyone else who suffers, and incredibly limiting to those who experience an intersection of oppressions, e.g. women of colour who have to deal not just with racism, not just with sexism, but a whole extra load of shit based around society’s assumptions about and treatment of women of colour.

              For us to believe Shearer told the roofpainter anecdote as “an analogy”, you have to (a) call David Shearer a liar, because he has stated it is a true story and (b) assume David Shearer has no fucking clue how to speak clearly, in which case could he please stop pretending to be a politician.

  17. deemac 17

    the problem is, every other voter I speak to (and I speak to plenty) seems to know one of the one or two percent of beneficiaries who are rorting the system. Telling them it doesn’t matter in the great scheme of things just doesn’t wash with them when they are struggling.
    As to other jibes, people are entitled to their opinion, but to claim Shearer was “shoulder-tapped” when he previously stood for an unwinnable seat before winning – not being handed on a plate – the selection for Mt Albert is just ignorant. Oh and FYI the reason Kris (not Chris!) Faafoi was not a party member before becoming an MP was that his job meant he could not belong to a political party. Still, nothing like prejudices is there?

    • weka 17.1

      “Telling them it doesn’t matter in the great scheme of things just doesn’t wash with them when they are struggling.”

      So don’t tell them that. Instead give them the figures about who is rorting the system at the top end. And if that doesn’t move them, ask them why they think it is ok for the top end rorting to go on.

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 17.2

      Right, and every other voter I speak to (and I speak to plenty) seems to think Māori are inferior, and telling them it doesn’t matter in the great scheme of things just doesn’t wash with them when they are struggling.

      Perhaps if you didn’t agree with the sentiment you might find it easier to rebut.

    • xtasy 17.3

      deemac:

      Now, would a doctor or other health professional, who will her-/himself also be paying taxes to cover welfare expenses, who have duties and responsibilities, who in general will know the patient they deal with fairly well, then go and spend 15 to 30 minutes interviewing such patient, fall for any unconvincing excuse or whatever a “maligner” may try to come up with, and complete this form then?

      http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/media/315801/work%20capacity%20med%20cert%20v12a.pdf

      http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/media/315801/work capacity med cert v12a.pdf

      Without such a certificate nobody will get a sickness benefit, and after the first one the next one is due in 4 weeks, and then one due at least every 90 days. If WINZ does find contradictions or is not convinced, the client will have to go and see one of their (“trained”!) “designated doctors” for a second opinion, which usually overrides anything any doctor or expert stated before her/him. Surely some of them are biased against a beneficiary (see ‘Principal Health Advisor’ Dr David Bratt’s many “famous” presentations).

      http://www.gpcme.co.nz/pdf/GP CME/Friday/C1 1515 Bratt-Hawker.pdf

      http://www.gpcme.co.nz/pdf/GP%20CME/Friday/C1%201515%20Bratt-Hawker.pdf

      (see pages 13, 20, 21, 32, 35, where the leading “health expert” of MSD and WINZ compares benefit dependency with drug dependency!)

      The problem is: There are a fair number of “know it all” “wannabe experts” out there, who like to have a scape goat to point the finger at. They are not the medical staff knowing the full picture, but they think they know what goes on, being an expert also about the All Blacks and rugby, so that is why “they” think they should be the coach, not Henry or Hansen.

      Yes, sometimes doctors get things wrong too, but put this into realistic perspectives.

  18. The Chairman 18

    Not only does Shearer disappoint, but what is being proposed in the speech by Cunliffe is also flawed and concerning.

    Did anyone else here pick up on the flawed rational being promoted?

  19. The Chairman 19

    Here is one example:

    Cunliffe claims not to be advocating dolling out taxpayer money to business, yet goes on to give examples of doing just that.

    Financially helping a private company without having a related stake and the opportunity to benefit from potential future returns is dolling out taxpayer money to business.

    Private companies don’t develop products or services to then share with the rest of the country. Those developments will be sold to consumers with the private companies looking to maximize their return.

    The trickle–down claimed seldom eventuates.

    Scandinavian countries have strong unions that help insure a more effective trickle-down – we don’t..

    • Colonial Viper 19.1

      Sorry mate there is a huge difference between doling out money to private foreign owned corporates and investing resources in upcoming NZ owned SMEs who create the majority of the jobs and innovation in this country.

      Plus, if all you want a reassurance of is a public or worker stake in every SME which receives government assistance, why can’t that be arranged.

      The basic truth of the matter is that developing industries always need a large amount of government support. Large entrenched monopolistic foreign owned players need to be supplanted by NZ owned SMEs.

      Scandinavian countries have strong unions that help insure a more effective trickle-down – we don’t..

      It’d take a lot of in-house clearing and some new legislation but this could be fixed too.

      • The Chairman 19.1.1

        It’s one thing to claim there is a difference, but can you define it?

        A stake could be arranged, unfortunately that is not what is being proposed, hence the concern.

        The truth of the matter is the local private sector is far to small, largely lacks the drive (boat ,batch, BMW mentality) and resources to generate the national growth required, hence Government is required to expand further into commerce.

        Dolling out money (regardless if it’s to local SMEs or foreign owned corporates) without taking a related stake amounts to corporate welfare.

        Legislation could be changed to strengthen unions, however that isn’t what’s being proposed.

        While the speech has many points of merit, a number of solutions are flawed.

  20. NickS 20

    Too tired to process post, but that title made me /squeee pretty badly when I saw it :P

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    Labour | 13-04
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    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) report into climate mitigation, just released in Berlin, shows the National Government is ignoring the pleas of the world's best climate scientists.The report says deep and fast emission cuts are vital from all...
    Greens | 13-04
  • Japan’s quick turnaround on whaling disappointing
    News that Japan plans to recommence some form of “scientific” whaling programme so quickly after the International Court of Justice’s ruling against it is very disappointing, says David Shearer, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson. “New Zealanders expected the ICJ ruling -...
    Labour | 13-04
  • Reviewable tenancies will increase risks for vulnerable children
    Instead of kicking families out of their homes if they can pay their rent, parents with young children should have the opportunity to purchase equity in a state-built home over time, the Green Party said todayFrom July, Housing New Zealand...
    Greens | 13-04
  • 48,000 New Zealanders drinking faecally contaminated water
    Some 48,000 people were provided with water that had issues with faecal contamination, 18,000 of whom were from Canterbury, the Green Party said today. The Ministry of Health's Annual Report on Drinking-Water in New Zealand for 2012/13 shows that 48,000...
    Greens | 12-04
  • Labour will move to save the Kauri
    Labour will spend $20 million over the next 10 years to stop the spread of Kauri dieback disease, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “We are facing an ecological disaster with over 11 per cent of the Kauri trees in the...
    Labour | 12-04
  • SPEECH: Saving our Kauri
    Seech notes Good morning. Thank you for joining us here today. As a West Auckland MP I am very aware the kauri is an important part of this place. The Waitakere Ranges with their thousands of kauri, are a taonga....
    Labour | 12-04
  • MANA to continue negotiations with the Internet Party
    The MANA AGM has decided unanimously tonight to continue negotiaitions with the Internet Party. Within a month further negotiations, further consultation with MANA branches and a final decision on whether to proceed with a relationship is expected....
    Mana | 12-04
  • National’s tax dodge
      National’s insistence that it is cracking down on tax dodgers is little more than a bit of election year chest beating, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Revenue Minister Todd McClay surely doesn’t believe collecting $100 million of an estimated...
    Labour | 12-04
  • Housing prices go up – Gens X & Y give up
    Today’s REINZ report shows house prices continue skyward while first home buyers are dropping out of the market, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “According to the Real Estate Institute of New Zealand the national median house price has risen...
    Labour | 11-04
  • Do Key and Adams support Chorus appeal?
    John Key and Amy Adams must tell New Zealanders whether they support Chorus’ appeal of the High Court’s ruling in favour of the Commerce Commission, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “Chorus’ appeal is a waste of time. The company is...
    Labour | 11-04
  • Is Judith Collins unapologising
    Judith Collins appears to have retracted her apology for failing to disclose her meeting with her husband’s fellow company directors and a senior Chinese border control official just weeks after being ticked off by John Key for not doing so, Labour...
    Labour | 11-04
  • Media Advisory
    There have been a few minor changes to the MANA AGM agenda. Moana Jackson is unable to attend due to family commitments. Speaking in his place on Saturday morning MANA is pleased to welcome Georgina Beyer and Willie Jackson. MANA...
    Mana | 10-04
  • Rest in peace Rubin ‘Hurricane’ Carter – despite the disgusting polic...
    Rest in peace Rubin ‘Hurricane’ Carter – despite the disgusting police racism and injustice you were undefeated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-04
  • Maori Party wine and dine invite
    Maori Party wine and dine invite...
    The Daily Blog | 20-04
  • For Simon Bridges – here’s the forest you forget
    For Simon Bridges – here’s the forest you forget...
    The Daily Blog | 20-04
  • Never forget the GCSB lies
    Never forget the GCSB lies...
    The Daily Blog | 20-04
  • The Empire strikes back
    The Empire strikes back...
    The Daily Blog | 20-04
  • God bless capitalism
    God bless capitalism...
    The Daily Blog | 20-04
  • Drone killings erode social constraint on using violence
    The drone killing of an (unnamed) New Zealander in Yemen should prompt us to look at the ethics of this practice. We’re told from birth that murder is wrong. Yet drone killings (as conducted by the Obama administration) convey the...
    The Daily Blog | 20-04
  • Labour’s first 100 days – where the messaging needs to be
    ‘The first 100 days’, an expression coined by President Roosevelt in 1933, is generally used to describe the successes and accomplishments of a government at the time when their power is greatest. During the 2008 election campaign, John Key issued...
    The Daily Blog | 20-04
  • Pharrell: a new brand of feminism?
    I think most people heard about how the song Blurred Lines featuring and co-written by Pharrell and performed by Robin Thicke (who has adeptly just been named “Sexist of the Year”) really pissed a lot of people off last year. ...
    The Daily Blog | 20-04
  • Why Easter holidays should always be mandatory and retail free
    The moaning from retailers that they can’t open the cash registers and worship the consumer culture of consumption over Easter bores me immensely because I’ve always believed that public holidays should be mandatory. It’s not that I really care about...
    The Daily Blog | 19-04
  • Why punish the parents of the disabled?
    Parents who have adult children with disabilities saw a glimmer of hope when the promise for payment for caring for their children was given. But like most things, the complicated and relentless bureaucracy of the whole process shows a completely...
    The Daily Blog | 19-04
  • Our government: still no idea
    Happy Easter everyone, bad weather aside. A previous post of mine was called “The Government with no ideas”.  Unsurprisingly, the theme of the piece was of a current government thoroughly absent of any creative ideas or solutions to assist more...
    The Daily Blog | 18-04
  • 12 things Forbes has to say about NZs about to burst economic bubble
    Forbes is not known for their socialist or left wing activism, so when they predict a grim economic failure, we should should collectively poo ourselves a little. National often get given this perception that somehow they are better economic mangers....
    The Daily Blog | 18-04
  • That Sinking Feeling: Labour’s urgent need for persuasive words and coura...
    THE LATEST ROY MORGAN POLL has Labour on 28.5 percent (down 3.5 percent) and the Greens on 11.5 percent (down 1.5 percent). At 40 percent, the combined vote of the two main centre-left parties has fallen 5 percentage points since...
    The Daily Blog | 18-04
  • Why the Labour movement should support a Universal Basic Income
    The Mana movement’s support of the idea of a universal basic income is a welcome development. It could become one of the litmus issues that define the party and prove extremely popular. If Mana are in a position to do...
    The Daily Blog | 18-04
  • Legal high and cannabis regulation
    I marched through Henderson last month with my fellow Westies to express our concern about the impact of so called “legal highs” on our community. Some people chanted loudly calling for banning, some expressing anger at the parliamentarians who voted...
    The Daily Blog | 18-04
  • Know your Tory fellow travellers and ideologues: John Bishop, Taxpayers Uni...
    . . On 19 March, I reported on the Board members of the so-called “Taxpayers Union”. With one exception, every single member of the Taxpayers Union Board was a current (or recent) card-carrying member or supporter of the National and/or...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • GUEST BLOG: Daniel Bruce – Internet Party: What Seems Ridiculous To The O...
    Imagine you’re a 18-21 year old, from a working class family. You’ve never had a landline phone at home, because your parents can’t afford the fixed monthly bills, so everyone in your familiy has a pre-pay mobile phone. Because of the same tight...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Greens to push for housing standards in MOU with Government
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Greens to push for housing standards in MOU with Government Tuesday, 28 Aug 2012 | Press Release We don’t need any more official reports. We know the problem and we have the plans....
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Mighty River squanders $3.8m preparing for sale
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Mighty River squanders $3.8m preparing for sale Tuesday, 28 Aug 2012 | Press Release New Zealanders do not want asset sales and they do not want the Government wasting millions of dollars on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Government’s economic agenda on shaky ground
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Government’s economic agenda on shaky ground Monday, 27 Aug 2012 | Press Release Instead of betting on a boom and bust industry and selling off assets the government needs to invest in a...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • National’s tax cuts haven’t cut tax avoidance
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: National’s tax cuts haven’t cut tax avoidance Sunday, 26 Aug 2012 | Press Release It is not fair that many rich New Zealanders are cheating on their tax. National’s 2010 tax cuts, that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Waitangi Tribunal report adds to crisis in asset sales agenda
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Waitangi Tribunal report adds to crisis in asset sales agenda Friday, 24 Aug 2012 | Press Release In its rush to sell our assets, National has found itself in a crisis of its...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Privacy across all departments needs checking
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Privacy across all departments needs checking Friday, 24 Aug 2012 | Press Release “People don’t have a choice about giving their information to the state so the Government has an absolute duty to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Reports show Government role in driving ACC dysfunction
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Reports show Government role in driving ACC dysfunction Thursday, 23 Aug 2012 | Press Release Restoring public trust and confidence is an essential goal and will require very major change starting from the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Government must front up on full costs of asset sales
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Government must front up on full costs of asset sales Thursday, 23 Aug 2012 | Press Release It’s time for the Government to front up over just how much these asset sales are...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • New report: middle NZ worse off, inequality grows
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: New report: middle NZ worse off, inequality grows Thursday, 23 Aug 2012 | Press Release Our society has never been as unequal as it is today. New research from the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Government to delay addressing climate change indefinitely
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Government to delay addressing climate change indefinitely Thursday, 23 Aug 2012 | Press Release “It would be a shock for any other Government to introduce such a self-defeatist piece of legislation but unfortunately...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Time to deliver on 26 weeks Paid Parental Leave
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Time to deliver on 26 weeks Paid Parental Leave Today marks two years since Labour MP Sue Moroney’s Bill extending paid parental leave to 26 weeks was drawn from the members’ ballot. “It’s...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Taxpayers robbed of $130m in Genesis sale
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Taxpayers robbed of $130m in Genesis sale Kiwi taxpayers have been robbed of $130 million by the Government in its final failed asset sale, says Labour’s SOEs spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove. “National set the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Service for victims of sexual violence pushed out in cold
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Service for victims of sexual violence pushed out in cold Thursday, 17 Apr 2014 | Press Release Christchurch cannot afford to lose this agency The Green Party is calling on Housing New Zealand...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Resignation rates among cops soar
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Resignation rates among cops soar The number of frontline officers quitting the police force is at a four-year high, with more than 350 walking off the job in the past year, Labour’s Police...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Work visa problems need monitoring
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Work visa problems need monitoring The Government is handing out temporary work visas to migrants to work in jobs that could easily be filled by unemployed Kiwi workers in the Christchurch rebuild, says...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Legal high ban worthy of wider pick-up
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Legal high ban worthy of wider pick-up Auckland Council’s ban on using legal highs in a public place is an excellent idea that should be replicated around New Zealand, says Labour’s Associate Health...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Smith sells state P-houses to first home buyers
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Smith sells state P-houses to first home buyers Nick Smith must reassure worried first home buyers that any Housing NZ houses sold under his First Home policy will be tested for P contamination...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Brazil: Human rights under threat ahead of the World Cup
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Brazil: Human rights under threat ahead of the World Cup     Protests in Brazil:Brazil Franciscan friar kneels in front of Brazilian riot police officers asking for calm during confrontation with Landless...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Brazil: Human rights under threat ahead of the World Cup
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Brazil: Human rights under threat ahead of the World Cup     Protests in Brazil:Brazil Franciscan friar kneels in front of Brazilian riot police officers asking for calm during confrontation with Landless...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Libya: Trial of former al-Gaddafi officials by video link a farce
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Libya: Trial of former al-Gaddafi officials by video link a farce     Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi will face the courts on 14 April. © IMED LAMLOUM/AFP/Getty Images         Read...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Libya: Trial of former al-Gaddafi officials by video link a farce
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Libya: Trial of former al-Gaddafi officials by video link a farce     Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi will face the courts on 14 April. © IMED LAMLOUM/AFP/Getty Images         Read...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Algeria: Pre-election clampdown exposes ‘gaping holes’ in human rights ...
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Algeria: Pre-election clampdown exposes ‘gaping holes’ in human rights record     Freedom of expression, association and assembly are under threat ahead of elections in Algeria. © FAROUK BATICHE/AFP/Getty Images    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Algeria: Pre-election clampdown exposes ‘gaping holes’ in human rights ...
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Algeria: Pre-election clampdown exposes ‘gaping holes’ in human rights record     Freedom of expression, association and assembly are under threat ahead of elections in Algeria. © FAROUK BATICHE/AFP/Getty Images    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Viet Nam: Prisoners of conscience released but dozens remain jailed
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Viet Nam: Prisoners of conscience released but dozens remain jailed     Vietnamese activist Nguyen Tien Trung was one of the prisoners of conscience released this week. © Private      ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Viet Nam: Prisoners of conscience released but dozens remain jailed
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Viet Nam: Prisoners of conscience released but dozens remain jailed     Vietnamese activist Nguyen Tien Trung was one of the prisoners of conscience released this week. © Private      ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • PM’s China visit assisted Oravida, not Fonterra
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: PM’s China visit assisted Oravida, not Fonterra Questions must now be asked whether it was Fonterra or Oravida who really benefited from the Prime Minister’s recent visit to China, Labour’s Primary Industries spokesperson...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • New Zealand’s use of ozone depleting gases increases
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: New Zealand’s use of ozone depleting gases increases A new Government report highlights that the amount of ozone depleting gases New Zealand is using is increasing, the Green Party said today. The report...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • The issues behind the possible MANA-Internet Party Alliance
      Last weekend Kim Dotcom spoke at MANAs AGM to discuss the possibility of the Internet Party and MANA Party working together to defeat John Key this election. As someone who knows both Hone and Kim, I have a unique...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Manufacturing Upgrade
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Manufacturing Upgrade   Labour is determined to support and grow our manufacturing sector. These policies grew out of the findings of the 2013 Parliamentary Inquiry into Manufacturing.   – The claims and opinions...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Get work on 29th and the ANZAC spirit deserts the TPPA
      Groser and co would have been spitting tacks last week as the ANZAC spirit deserted the TPPA negotiations. Australia has done a deal directly with Japan which undercuts the demand for Japan to opening all agriculture in the TPPA....
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • No fracking solution to climate change
    Some British tabloids and oil lobbyists have jumped on comments made by an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change author that fracking could play a role in addressing climate change as an argument for it here in Aotearoa, so is fracking...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • At Last: A Manufacturing Policy
    Source: First Union – Press Release/Statement: Headline: At Last: A Manufacturing Policy Date of Release:  Thursday, April 17, 2014 Body:  FIRST Union congratulates Labour on the release of its Manufacturing policy today. The union represents workers in the wood, food and...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • ACT Speech: Three Strikes For Burglary, Three Years Jail
    Last year there were more than 52,000 reported burglaries. According to the Treasury, for every 10 reported burglaries, there are another 12 that go unreported. This means there were more than 120,000 burglaries last year – or over 2000 a...
    Scoop politics | 21-04
  • Derek Leask: Media Advisory Re: Nigel Fyfe MOJ Appointment
    Derek Leask yesterday 20 April 2014 made the following observations in response to a media enquiry about the recently announced appointment of Mr Nigel Fyfe, currently Deputy Secretary at the Ministry of Justice (Legal and Operational Services and Legal...
    Scoop politics | 21-04
  • Oceans In The Spotlight At Election Year Oceans Forum
    The marine environment will be in the spotlight at an ‘Election Year Oceans Forum’ at Kelly Tarlton’s SEALIFE Aquarium on April 27 from 10.30-12.30. A panel of non-governmental advocates and scientists will outline challenges facing our seas, and MPs from...
    Scoop politics | 21-04
  • Himalayan Trust responds to Everest avalanche
    The Himalayan Trust has launched an appeal to help the families of the Sherpa climbers impacted by the recent tragedy on Eve rest, Nepal....
    Scoop politics | 21-04
  • Himalayan Trust responds to Everest avalanche
    The Himalayan Trust has launched an appeal to help the families of the Sherpa climbers impacted by the recent tragedy on Eve rest, Nepal....
    Scoop politics | 21-04
  • Tariana Turia: Labour doesn’t deserve our vote
    Maori Party Co-leader Tariana Turia told TVNZ’s Q+A programme that Labour doesn’t deserve the Maori vote. ‘I don’t believe they deserve our vote any more....
    Scoop politics | 20-04
  • Family Court Consumers Group appalled at legal rort
    Family Court Consumers Group appalled at Lawyer for Child's "1 meeting in 10 years" taxpayer funded legal rort...
    Scoop politics | 19-04
  • Manufacturing Matters to New Zealand – 17 April
    The Labour Party announcement today recognises the simple truth that the manufacturing sector really matters to New Zealand’s economy as a whole, based on the part manufacturing plays in the growth of the added value element in the tradable sector,...
    Scoop politics | 19-04
  • Young Kiwi to Represent New Zealand at Premier Youth Forum
    Young Kiwi to Represent New Zealand at Premier Youth Forum FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Commonwealth Youth New Zealand Executive Director, Aaron Hape, has been selected to represent New Zealand at 33Fifty, the Commonwealth Youth Leadership Programme,...
    Scoop politics | 19-04
  • Lisa Owen interviews Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei
    Greens propose new ministerial disclosure regime based on British rules, requiring quarterly declarations of ministers' meetings, travel and hospitality....
    Scoop politics | 19-04
  • Politicians Should Maintain Workers’ Easter Break
    Family First NZ is rejecting calls for any liberalisation of Easter trading laws and says that workers deserve a break to spend time with their families. “This is not an issue about choice as has been argued. For many workers,...
    Scoop politics | 19-04
  • Lisa Owen interviews experts on Antacrtica
    Lisa Owen interviews Chuck Kennicutt and Gary Wilson on Antarctica Headlines: Top Antarctic scientists warns New Zealand "not ready" for worst as ice shelves and sea ice in Antarctica retreat and the climate changes Gary Wilson: "Can...
    Scoop politics | 19-04
  • Beyond the State – NZ State Houses from Modest to Modern
    As part of the our 'Active Hand of Government' series for 2014, we present Bill McKay, Senior Lecturer, School of Architecture and Planning, speaking to his new publication....
    Scoop politics | 19-04
  • Global unions applaud NZ ‘slave ships’ progress
    Global unions the ITF (International Transport Workers' Federation) and IUF (International Union of Food, Agricultural and Hospitality Workers) today applauded the steps forward made in preventing often shocking abuse of crews on fishing vessels in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Families before commerce at Easter
    Families before commerce at Easter The retail workers’ union has hit back at critics of New Zealand's modest Easter trading restrictions. "Some things are more important than going to the mall, and for just three and a half days each...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Easter trading laws archaic, in need of overhaul
    Press release: ACT New Zealand Easter trading laws are outdated and in need of a major overhaul, said ACT leader Jamie Whyte today....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • ALCP welcomes Campbell Live poll result
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party welcomes last night's Campbell Live poll, saying it is an overdue reality check for public opinion on personal cannabis use....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Q+A This Week 20/4/14
    Q+A This Week SUNDAY 20 APRIL, 9AM ON TV ONE The latest on the US-NZ relationship from the US military’s top man in the Pacific, Admiral Samuel J. Locklear . Deputy Political Editor Michael Parkin asks him whether we’re allies,...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Community detention for pokie theft
    A 67-year-old former company director, convicted of stealing pokie machine profits, was today sentenced to six months community detention, 160 hours of community work and ordered to make reparation of $6,000....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Waitangi National Trust Board Amendment Bill
    The Māori Affairs Committee is inviting public submissions on this bill. The closing date for submissions is Wednesday, 14 May 2014....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Collaboration stops drugs from crossing borders
    Collaboration between Hong Kong and New Zealand Customs has stopped millions of dollars worth of drugs coming into New Zealand this year, with a number of seizures and arrests in both countries....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Call for public enquiry into the future of farming
    Fish & Game NZ is calling for a public enquiry “to examine the future of agriculture in New Zealand”....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Comment on Labour Policy Announcement by NZMEA President
    “This policy release from the Labour Party is so important that if it becomes government policy it would define a shift in New Zealand’s culture,” says Brian Willoughby President of the NZMEA and Managing Director of Plinius Audio and Contex...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Manufacturing policy makes sense but….
    On the surface much of Labour's prescription for manufacturing is sound though questions remain over some of the detail not yet announced, the Employers and Manufacturers Association says....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Where Are The 15,000 Jobs?
    “Paula Bennett is today proudly telling New Zealand that beneficiary numbers have decreased by 15,000 in the past year. There is no proud declaration that 15,000 jobs have been created in the same period,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty spokesperson,...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Change of approach to government procurement needed
    The rail engineering industry has been totally let down by National’s lack of manufacturing policy, and Labour’s measures outlined today represent a marked shift in approach to supporting domestic industries, the RMTU said today....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Depreciation Policy Shouldn’t Be Just for Pet Industries
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming Labour’s announcement to beef up rates of depreciation in the manufacturing sector, but is questioning why David Cunliffe is picking winners rather than applying the policy across all sectors. Jordan Williams,...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • FIFA U-20 World Cup NZ 2015 Kick Off Times Announced
    An array of kick-off times to suit football fans of all ages has been confirmed for the FIFA U-20 World Cup New Zealand 2015. With 52 matches spread across the nation, the public will be able to enjoy a collection...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • “Legitimate purpose” provides no protection under 167 form
    On Radio New Zealand today, the Privacy Commissioner indicated that ACC could only request information that was "relevant" for a "legitimate purpose". His view was therefore that the ACC167 form is not a "blank cheque" or...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • State: still keeping you safe on the road this Easter
    The long-awaited Easter/ Anzac break is nearly upon us while the weather may have taken a turn for the worse in several parts of the country, many Kiwis will still be packing up their cars to take a road trip....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Govt plan for community input into residential red zone
    Christchurch Mayor Lianne Dalziel has welcomed Prime Minister John Key’s announcement today of a community participation process for the public to have a say on the future use of the residential red zone....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Governor-General to visit Turkey
    The Governor-General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, is to visit Turkey next week to lead New Zealand’s representation at the annual Gallipoli commemorations....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Actions of Police prior to death in custody were justified
    A report by the Independent Police Conduct Authority on the death of Adam Palmer while in Police custody found the actions of Police were justified during the arrest. The report also found that Police took all possible steps to try...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • New Electorate Boundaries Finalised
    New boundaries for the country’s 64 General and seven Māori electorates have been finalised – with an additional electorate created in Auckland. The 2014 Representation Commission has completed its statutory role of reviewing and redrawing electorate...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Save The Children Welcomes Strengthening Children’s Rights
    Save the Children New Zealand welcomes a new treaty which allows children to complain directly to the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child about alleged violations of their rights....
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Labour takes manufacturing seriously
    Labour takes manufacturing seriously Manufacturing workers and employers will all benefit from economic policies announced today by the Labour Party leader, David Cunliffe. The Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union has welcomed the announcement...
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Manufacturing policy welcomed
    “Today’s announcement of Labour’s manufacturing policy is very welcome,” says CTU Economist Bill Rosenberg. “Just as many other developed countries are realising, having a strong manufacturing sector pays off in good jobs, retaining...
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Operation Unite – a Blitz on Drunken Violence
    New Zealand Police are hoping to reduce the number of victims from alcohol related crime by asking the public to say ‘Yeah, Nah’ more often this holiday weekend....
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Dunne Speaks
    Dunne Speaks 17 April 2014 There have been a number of harrowing cases presented this week about the impact of psychoactive substances on vulnerable young people. At one level, the tales are deeply disturbing. It is awful to see anyone...
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Research announcement welcomed
    A leading Māori researcher has welcomed the announcement of the 2014 Te Pūnaha Hihiko - Vision Mātauranga Capability Fund by Science and Innovation Minister Steven Joyce and Māori Affairs Minister Dr Pita Sharples....
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • At Last: A Manufacturing Policy
    At Last: A Manufacturing Policy FIRST Union congratulates Labour on the release of its Manufacturing policy today. The union represents workers in the wood, food and textile manufacturing sectors. “In a week that has seen another manufacturing company,...
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Republic campaigners still positive after royal visit
    "Campaigners for a New Zealand Head of State are still feeling positive after ten days of royal events" says NZ Republic Chair, Savage. "Our polling before the visit showed increased support for a kiwi head of state. We have a...
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Selling homes to foreigners benefits New Zealanders
    Winston Peters has apparently convinced David Cunliffe that when foreigners buy New Zealand property they make New Zealanders worse off. Mr Cunliffe has announced his intention to adopt Winston Peters’ policy of banning foreigners from buying...
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Taxpayers’ Union Welcomes Key’s Rejection of ‘Fat Tax’
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming Prime Minister John Key’s rejection of fat and sugar taxes ahead of this year's election. Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Union, says:...
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Law Commission Paper on a New Crown Civil Proceedings Act
    The Law Commission has released A New Crown Civil Proceedings Act for New Zealand , its Issues Paper on reforming the Crown Proceedings Act 1950. The Issues Paper proposes a new statute to replace the Crown Proceedings Act 1950....
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Focus must now go on fishing industry jobs for NZ workers
    Maritime Union says focus must now go on fishing industry jobs for New Zealand workers...
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Make the choice to stay safe on the road
    With Easter and Anzac Day giving us two successive long weekends this year there will be a lot of happy families preparing for trips....
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Students Welcome Engagement with StudyLink
    The New Zealand Union of Students’ Associations (NZUSA) has welcomed the improved performance from StudyLink in 2014. There is no doubt that getting their loans and allowances processed on time makes it easier for students to concentrate on being...
    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Deaf And Hard of Hearing New Zealanders Marginalised
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
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