Secretive Haast-Hollyford Highway

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1. travellerev 1

   5 December 2012 at 2:07 pm

   Almost sounds like a conspiracy doesn’t it!
2. Peter 2

   5 December 2012 at 2:31 pm

   It’s a real cause for alarm, as this road would effectively destroy the wilderness qualities of New Zealand’s best tramping terrain, as well as opening up a large, relatively pest free area (between Gorge River and Cascade River) to pest invasion.

   I’ve tramped through most of that area so I know it well.

   But, I think we should all take a deep breath on this one before launching into any campaigns. The Haast-Hollyford road has been proposed for over 100 years. In fact, there may be a surveyed road line through the area (which crosses into the western side of Mt Aspiring National Park). Kennecott Explorations built a road down the coast and up the Pyke into the Red Hills for their asbestos and chromium surveys in the 1970s. But, as we’ve seen, these proposals come and go.

   These are the stiff factors against the road:

   1) The cost. $220 million is probably a drop in the bucket, when they have to bridge New Zealand’s largest unbridged river (the Cascade), several larger rivers (the Pyke River, Gorge River), as well as numerous side streams with massive flood flows. They simply can’t build it for $220 million, nor keep it maintained.

   2) Queenstown and Wanaka business interests. I can’t see a business case for bypassing those established destinations, especially when NZ tourist numbers continue to drop.

   3) Approval for the part of the road that isn’t legal. This will either be around the coast, or up the Pyke and down the Cascade. That will be a stiff fight.

   4) A rather large fightback from everyone who cares about that special area of New Zealand. You can expect that to have an international dimension as well.

   I also want to see what mining interests are involved. It never quite dies.

   Peter
   • vto 2.1

     5 December 2012 at 2:59 pm

     Peter, ” Kennecott Explorations built a road down the coast and up the Pyke into the Red Hills for their asbestos and chromium surveys in the 1970s”

     They didn’t build a road, they simply bulldozed down the coast. Today the track there can still be seen and walked in parts. In fact many of the boulders were too huge for their huge bulldozers so they blew them up and the shards are still lying around (pounamu ones long gone).

     I understand this current proposal is inland not coastal. This route would of course take it closer to the red hills, where there be gold in them thar hills (in fact the richest mountain in the land. loaded with minerals).

     The government announced a few months ago that a geophysical survey would be done over this area. However, in their typically lying duplicitous manner that geophysical survey work was done about 12 months before that in 2011. I know – I was there and saw it and have worked in geophysical surveys myself in centuries past.

     Foreign funders? Try Earl Hagamann, ex-Texan, Scenic Circle Hotels owner and rapacious capitalist based in Chch (even had the gall to cruise with last weekend;s Santa Parade in the most gigantic open-air cadillac. God knows what for.) People known with past Hagamann dealings say don’t trust him one little bit.

     So there you go – road, plus hotels, plus corner dairy plus cheap motels, plus rubbish.

     Just a little more ranting ……… what do Ngai Tahu think of this? They have a massive stake in this area and will be key. Will they follow the environment? Or will they follow the money? Might have to ask Shane Jones given iwis various penchants for slave labour and greed and increased squid quota over environmental concerns.

     This bunch of neanderthals will realise that next year 2013 and 2014 leading up to the election will be the last time for a very long time to have a hope in hell of getting this through. This is a hard right wing government hell bent on doing everything they can p;ossibly think of and damn the consequences. These people will know this. That is why it is being pushed now. And it is absolutely being pushed hard and fast. Don’t dawdle on stopping it.

     steam is choofing from me nostrils – best go calm down for a bit
     • Peter 2.1.1

       5 December 2012 at 3:01 pm

       Yeah sorry, I’ve walked the roadline as well down the coast, I should have stated “bulldozed”. Still, it was quite handy for getting around Sandrock Bluff.

       Agree about all the rest, and yeah, if your reaction and my reaction are anything to go by, you can expect some seriously fired up people on this. And money to oppose it as well.

       Peter
3. vto 3

   5 December 2012 at 2:40 pm

   These fools are fucking dreaming.

   More more more faster faster faster money money money greed greed greed

   Some dumbarse points;

   1. The road will no way cost $220 million. Add another zero. This si the toughest and roughest country in the land for building roads. That is why the Haast Paringa link was only completed mid 1960s. river, swamp, bluff, swamp, swamp, river, swamp, river, mountain, bluff, swamp.

   2. Doing this will make no difference to the numbers of tourists or their spend. It will only divert it in different directions. There is absolutely no increased income benefit, no additional wealth brought into NZ. Nothing extra. Nada. None. It is a zero-sum situation.

   3. The environmental destruction will be on a scale to swamp anything done in NZ in recent decades. In fact since even before Manapouri.

   4. The numbers of tourists who will drive it will be low. There are hardly any touros on the road down there now anyway ffs. And not all of them will want to go in that direction.

   What is this obsession with doing the tourist thing faster and faster and faster and faster? Neanderthals. Bring your bulldozers to shove their bulldozers back.
   • lprent 3.1

     5 December 2012 at 3:07 pm

     I tramped around there is the days of yore. Nice country. But I can’t see what the attraction would be for tourists. Apart from the damn sandflies of course
     • vto 3.1.1

       5 December 2012 at 3:27 pm

       the attraction is singular.

       saves 300 kilometres odd of driving if doing a south island west coast queenstown milford loop.

       that’s it.

       nothing more.
4. thomas 4

   5 December 2012 at 5:03 pm

   I keep having a bad dream that beautiful Aotearoa is being whored off by a bunch of rich and filthy pimps. The lower end of Te Wai Pounamu is taking it bad at the moment, what with the Routeburn Tunnel, the Monorail madness, the Cascade Gondola trying to be revived and now the Haast-Hollyford Highway coming back from the dead. I thought that the Haast-Hollyford Highway was buried and left to rest in peace in 2010 but it seems that necrophilic fantasies are enticing the afore mentioned pimps to do the unthinkable.
5. Draco T Bastard 5

   5 December 2012 at 5:14 pm

   The stated purpose of the trip is to brief as many “key stakeholders” with a “significant interest” as possible. Of note: this will include “no public meetings”, as per the words of the proponent.

   Yep, the term stakeholders precludes the people who live there. I learned that when Cullen had such meetings in a location that business was thinking of building a factory of some form in – stakeholders only, the locals weren’t invited.
6. millsy 6

   5 December 2012 at 6:35 pm

   Monorails and fancy toll roads have no place in our National Parks.

   They are first and foremost, for the recreation and enjoyment of all NEW ZEALANDERS, not wealthy tourists (which I belive that the the government wants to use our national parks for — hence the closure of huts, etc).

   Up here, a helicopter company wants to fly trampers (wealthy overseas ones), into Egmont National Park.

   We dont seem to appreciate our parks, we either commercialise them, or try and hand them over to iwi.
   • David C 6.1

     5 December 2012 at 8:12 pm

     Why would you be against choppers taking people into Nat Parks?
     Freakishly odd and totally disconected with reality.
     • millsy 6.1.1

       5 December 2012 at 8:22 pm

       Because its about making access easily accesable for paying clientele, turning our national parks into commodities.
     • One Tāne Huna 6.1.2

       6 December 2012 at 9:42 am

       Why? Because now I’ve walked into the middle of all that tranquillity I don’t want to have to listen to bloody helicopters! Kind of ruins the whole point of being there…

       Duh!
     • Richard 6.1.3

       6 December 2012 at 11:45 am

       I’m sure you will find it weird, but there are quite a few of us who consider the “natural quiet” to be one of the natural resources of a National Park. Try spending a few days (or a few hours for that matter) away from the sound of the combustion engine. You just might find it enjoyable rather than freakish.
7. Benjamin B. 7

   6 December 2012 at 9:06 pm

   Hasn’t a certain Mr Brownlee got some pecuniary interest in mining down there?

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