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		<title>By: Aklnut</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/shame-on-you/comment-page-1/#comment-175082</link>
		<dc:creator>Aklnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out they sold their Mana, you know - the one they were supposed to be enhancing.

Geez this bloody capcha is so appropriate, how does it keep doing that lol

Captcha - desires</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left out they sold their Mana, you know &#8211; the one they were supposed to be enhancing.</p>
<p>Geez this bloody capcha is so appropriate, how does it keep doing that lol</p>
<p>Captcha &#8211; desires</p>
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		<title>By: Aklnut</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/shame-on-you/comment-page-1/#comment-175078</link>
		<dc:creator>Aklnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick that&#039;s bullshit, Brashs speech was just racist crap chasing the redneck vote. 

&quot;Let&#039;s be clear. This deal will not benefit Maori as a whole.&quot; 

&quot;the average taxpayer, Maori and Pakeha, will be paying this bill and it will be huge.They and the rest of us know this will cost our children dearly.&quot;

&quot;This shabby deal, agreed to in secret ........ was about buying Maori Party support for National&#039;s shambles of an ETS.&quot;

Doesn&#039;t sound anything like Brashs speech!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick that&#8217;s bullshit, Brashs speech was just racist crap chasing the redneck vote. </p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s be clear. This deal will not benefit Maori as a whole.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;the average taxpayer, Maori and Pakeha, will be paying this bill and it will be huge.They and the rest of us know this will cost our children dearly.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;This shabby deal, agreed to in secret &#8230;&#8230;.. was about buying Maori Party support for National&#8217;s shambles of an ETS.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t sound anything like Brashs speech!</p>
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		<title>By: George D</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/shame-on-you/comment-page-1/#comment-174836</link>
		<dc:creator>George D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why have we not banned Plasma Screen TVs yet if we&#039;re serious? Those power suckers use three times as much as LCD. Why don&#039;t we invest in LED TV&#039;s? They use half as much as LCD.
We&#039;re a TV Nation. We are now. Have you seen how fat people are getting?

Let&#039;s show we&#039;re deadly serious. Let&#039;s cut our electricity usage. Ban all LCDs and Plasma TVs for sale. Only allow in LEDs. As soon as something better than LED comes along, ban LEDs.&lt;/i&gt;

I ask myself the same question. We couldn&#039;t even change the lightbulbs, or fit efficient showerheads. 

People will look back on this generation with anger and wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why have we not banned Plasma Screen TVs yet if we&#8217;re serious? Those power suckers use three times as much as LCD. Why don&#8217;t we invest in LED TV&#8217;s? They use half as much as LCD.<br />
We&#8217;re a TV Nation. We are now. Have you seen how fat people are getting?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s show we&#8217;re deadly serious. Let&#8217;s cut our electricity usage. Ban all LCDs and Plasma TVs for sale. Only allow in LEDs. As soon as something better than LED comes along, ban LEDs.</i></p>
<p>I ask myself the same question. We couldn&#8217;t even change the lightbulbs, or fit efficient showerheads. </p>
<p>People will look back on this generation with anger and wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: rave</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/shame-on-you/comment-page-1/#comment-174812</link>
		<dc:creator>rave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you, Swinger? 
Give us your idea on how we get to freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you, Swinger?<br />
Give us your idea on how we get to freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/shame-on-you/comment-page-1/#comment-174786</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article by Tahu potiki in The Press this morning - unfortunately not yet on their website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article by Tahu potiki in The Press this morning &#8211; unfortunately not yet on their website.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advice to Goff - stick by at least some of your principles and burn away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advice to Goff &#8211; stick by at least some of your principles and burn away.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say again. The Maori Party are now obviously  Tory party and therefore NOT a potential coalition party for Labour. In my opinion Goff should say to them - &quot;you made the bed....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say again. The Maori Party are now obviously  Tory party and therefore NOT a potential coalition party for Labour. In my opinion Goff should say to them &#8211; &#8220;you made the bed&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let me thinky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let me thinky</p>
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		<title>By: crimson&#38;clover</title>
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		<dc:creator>crimson&#38;clover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely Fucking A!

I agree.

Well said swingers club!

&lt;strong&gt;[lprent: Complimenting yourself doesn&#039;t seem healthy. ]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely Fucking A!</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>Well said swingers club!</p>
<p><strong>[lprent: Complimenting yourself doesn't seem healthy. ]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: swingers club</title>
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		<dc:creator>swingers club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have my contribution, now what is yours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have my contribution, now what is yours?</p>
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		<title>By: ParkDrive</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/shame-on-you/comment-page-1/#comment-174724</link>
		<dc:creator>ParkDrive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to say look, I really don&#039;t understand the actual &lt;i&gt;benefit&lt;/i&gt; of the ETS. Irrespective of whether Labours appalling piece of legislation was rendered further worse by the Maori Party and National, the focus should be on just what is the benefit?

All I&#039;ve heard is a lot of we must reduce carbon emissions.

Now, how do you calculate that? You can&#039;t. One volcanic eruption (which Ruapehu is due for within the next 12 months) is the equivalent of well over a million cars carbon emissions over the course of a month.

The truth is there is no way of actually being able to calculate carbon, and what is an optimal level. All we have are guestimates. Nothing concrete, simply as no records were ever kept of carbon levels pre 1980. Barely a generation!

Over the last 30 years, human activity has rapidly felled forests, and as an apologetic afterthought forests have been replanted at a greater rate than ever before - whether it&#039;s native bush or conifers or macrocarpa pines.
Plantlife thrives on carbon dioxide. The less carbon there is in the air, the fewer plants that survive.

Earth is a living breathing organism (The Gaia Hypothesis) It is a fallacy to even begin to think that while everything else on the planet is alive, the earth isn&#039;t? Here&#039;s a tip: Just because it doesn&#039;t have a soul, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not living.
Gaia knows what is needed. The volcanic eruptions of the last few years, the change in weather patterns, it&#039;s a simple act of re balancing

The planets poles are shifting. Where the great Scott and forgotten Amundsen planted their flags on the south and north poles respectively, it&#039;s interesting to note that the polar opposite have moved considerably. The north pole for example moved across Hudson Bay for years and is now in the Atlantic ocean.

The Emissions Trading Scheme is a fraud on both houses. The entire world has been suckered into it, and no doubt, as always, someone stands to gain a great deal of money from windfarms and carbon neutral generators.

I am &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt;a denier of climate change. I see the evidence all too well. All I&#039;m saying is that it is happening, and nothing that mankind can do will ever stop the process, nor will it slow it down. As a snowball turns into an avalanche, so has the changing of Gaia has begun.

What is good to see is that we are slowly waking up and realising that the consumerist society we live in is no good. Why have we not banned Plasma Screen TVs yet if we&#039;re serious? Those power suckers use three times as much as LCD. Why don&#039;t we invest in LED TV&#039;s? They use half as much as LCD. 
We&#039;re a TV Nation. We are now. Have you seen how fat people are getting? 

Let&#039;s show we&#039;re deadly serious. Let&#039;s cut our electricity usage. Ban all LCDs and Plasma TVs for sale. Only allow in LEDs. As soon as something better than LED comes along, ban LEDs.
Ban single glazed windows, ban indoor gas heaters as they pump out carbon monoxide something chronic along with making the house damper than before.
Introduce compulsory insulation in all rental properties. Floor, Roof and new builds must have wall insulation.

Only then will we actually be doing something concrete and worthwhile. Yes it will seem very daddy knows best, but it&#039;s nothing that governments haven&#039;t been doing for the last hundred years.
Ban them all, then offer subsidies for people to replace them if they wish to. Give them cash incentive to return the TV, the gas heater, include windows in the home insulation subsidy, renters will love their landlord making their houses warm, and lets not forget they now compromise the biggest voting block in the country (and the poorest due to power gouging - $1000 each p/a geesus!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to say look, I really don&#8217;t understand the actual <i>benefit</i> of the ETS. Irrespective of whether Labours appalling piece of legislation was rendered further worse by the Maori Party and National, the focus should be on just what is the benefit?</p>
<p>All I&#8217;ve heard is a lot of we must reduce carbon emissions.</p>
<p>Now, how do you calculate that? You can&#8217;t. One volcanic eruption (which Ruapehu is due for within the next 12 months) is the equivalent of well over a million cars carbon emissions over the course of a month.</p>
<p>The truth is there is no way of actually being able to calculate carbon, and what is an optimal level. All we have are guestimates. Nothing concrete, simply as no records were ever kept of carbon levels pre 1980. Barely a generation!</p>
<p>Over the last 30 years, human activity has rapidly felled forests, and as an apologetic afterthought forests have been replanted at a greater rate than ever before &#8211; whether it&#8217;s native bush or conifers or macrocarpa pines.<br />
Plantlife thrives on carbon dioxide. The less carbon there is in the air, the fewer plants that survive.</p>
<p>Earth is a living breathing organism (The Gaia Hypothesis) It is a fallacy to even begin to think that while everything else on the planet is alive, the earth isn&#8217;t? Here&#8217;s a tip: Just because it doesn&#8217;t have a soul, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not living.<br />
Gaia knows what is needed. The volcanic eruptions of the last few years, the change in weather patterns, it&#8217;s a simple act of re balancing</p>
<p>The planets poles are shifting. Where the great Scott and forgotten Amundsen planted their flags on the south and north poles respectively, it&#8217;s interesting to note that the polar opposite have moved considerably. The north pole for example moved across Hudson Bay for years and is now in the Atlantic ocean.</p>
<p>The Emissions Trading Scheme is a fraud on both houses. The entire world has been suckered into it, and no doubt, as always, someone stands to gain a great deal of money from windfarms and carbon neutral generators.</p>
<p>I am <b>not</b>a denier of climate change. I see the evidence all too well. All I&#8217;m saying is that it is happening, and nothing that mankind can do will ever stop the process, nor will it slow it down. As a snowball turns into an avalanche, so has the changing of Gaia has begun.</p>
<p>What is good to see is that we are slowly waking up and realising that the consumerist society we live in is no good. Why have we not banned Plasma Screen TVs yet if we&#8217;re serious? Those power suckers use three times as much as LCD. Why don&#8217;t we invest in LED TV&#8217;s? They use half as much as LCD.<br />
We&#8217;re a TV Nation. We are now. Have you seen how fat people are getting? </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s show we&#8217;re deadly serious. Let&#8217;s cut our electricity usage. Ban all LCDs and Plasma TVs for sale. Only allow in LEDs. As soon as something better than LED comes along, ban LEDs.<br />
Ban single glazed windows, ban indoor gas heaters as they pump out carbon monoxide something chronic along with making the house damper than before.<br />
Introduce compulsory insulation in all rental properties. Floor, Roof and new builds must have wall insulation.</p>
<p>Only then will we actually be doing something concrete and worthwhile. Yes it will seem very daddy knows best, but it&#8217;s nothing that governments haven&#8217;t been doing for the last hundred years.<br />
Ban them all, then offer subsidies for people to replace them if they wish to. Give them cash incentive to return the TV, the gas heater, include windows in the home insulation subsidy, renters will love their landlord making their houses warm, and lets not forget they now compromise the biggest voting block in the country (and the poorest due to power gouging &#8211; $1000 each p/a geesus!)</p>
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		<title>By: swingers club</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/shame-on-you/comment-page-1/#comment-174723</link>
		<dc:creator>swingers club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the biker&#039;s revolt won&#039;t do anything, leather jackets and beards won&#039;t make a difference politically.  .
We can&#039;t get rid of tags can we? capitalism, socialism blah blah fucking blah, all will live on- everyone always wants to make money (big business lives), socialism (whatever that means)  it doesn&#039;t make a difference it will always exist.
Dictatorships exist as a â€˜common government&#039; anyway.
Politics-  is just human nature taxing human rights .a blatant paradox.
Instead of clumping tags, a person&#039;s â€˜individuality&#039; should be â€˜praised&#039; higher.
But the government don&#039;t want that (as then we know our â€˜worth&#039;), that is why we are lumped in â€˜groups, lifestyles, tags, religions&#039;.
Revolutions don&#039;t work, but individual â€˜awareness&#039; works. Knowing who you are.
We won&#039;t need a â€˜tag&#039; when we are literally â€˜free&#039;, will we?
But that is probably a pipe dream- too ideal for human nature to comprehend.
But I do like the idea of freedom, instead of a gun to my head, don&#039;t you?
As freedom, works best, to ensure better compatibilities within human relations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the biker&#8217;s revolt won&#8217;t do anything, leather jackets and beards won&#8217;t make a difference politically.  .<br />
We can&#8217;t get rid of tags can we? capitalism, socialism blah blah fucking blah, all will live on- everyone always wants to make money (big business lives), socialism (whatever that means)  it doesn&#8217;t make a difference it will always exist.<br />
Dictatorships exist as a â€˜common government&#8217; anyway.<br />
Politics-  is just human nature taxing human rights .a blatant paradox.<br />
Instead of clumping tags, a person&#8217;s â€˜individuality&#8217; should be â€˜praised&#8217; higher.<br />
But the government don&#8217;t want that (as then we know our â€˜worth&#8217;), that is why we are lumped in â€˜groups, lifestyles, tags, religions&#8217;.<br />
Revolutions don&#8217;t work, but individual â€˜awareness&#8217; works. Knowing who you are.<br />
We won&#8217;t need a â€˜tag&#8217; when we are literally â€˜free&#8217;, will we?<br />
But that is probably a pipe dream- too ideal for human nature to comprehend.<br />
But I do like the idea of freedom, instead of a gun to my head, don&#8217;t you?<br />
As freedom, works best, to ensure better compatibilities within human relations.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/shame-on-you/comment-page-1/#comment-174721</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, what&#039;s your offer? 

swinger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, what&#8217;s your offer? </p>
<p>swinger</p>
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		<title>By: rave</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/shame-on-you/comment-page-1/#comment-174719</link>
		<dc:creator>rave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An argument for a start. What&#039;s your offer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An argument for a start. What&#8217;s your offer?</p>
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		<title>By: swingers club</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/shame-on-you/comment-page-1/#comment-174715</link>
		<dc:creator>swingers club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah rave- where&#039;s your specialty, besides all the small stuff, what can you offer (that differs)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah rave- where&#8217;s your specialty, besides all the small stuff, what can you offer (that differs)?</p>
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