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Shearer Says

Written By: - Date published: 11:46 am, December 20th, 2012 - 55 comments
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Merry Christmas

I’d like to wish you a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year and a relaxing and safe summer break.

I’ll be heading up north to the beach to enjoy a few days in the sun with my family. I’m looking forward to catching a few waves on the surfboard (probably small ones!) as well as sparking up the BBQ and spending time with friends and family after a busy year. I’ve recorded a Christmas message, which you can watch here

This is a time for reflection but also for resolutions.

We’ve set out some bold new policies and we’ve tackled the Government on the issues that matter to you.

Our commitment in 2013 is to show Kiwis that Labour is ready to lead the next Government and to take New Zealand in a new ‘hands on’ direction. We are energised and ready for the fight.

I’d like to thank you and the thousands of Labour supporters who have played a vital role this year. You’ve helped us hold the Government to account and to get our message out that there is hope and that together we can make the changes needed to improve the lives of all Kiwis.

Thank you for that.

I look forward to continuing to work for you and with you in the New Year.

Warm regards
David Shearer
Labour Leader

55 comments on “Shearer Says”

  1. Rhinoviper 1

    And once again, some poor hack has to sort through a rambling monologue recorded on a wax cylinder and transcribe it into corporatese:

    Um. Ah… Is this switched on? Testing? Testing?

    Ah.

    I’d like to wish you a Merry Buddhamas… um… Clausmas… but I don’t know how.

    I’m ah… having a holiday. Someone said they couldn’t tell the difference…. don’t know what they meant, since I’ve been holding my accountant… ah… I’m heading north, like a duck in winter. No, not you Trevor… oh, you’re going north too? That’s nice. Um, where was I… holding the government’s accountant. I have a tape of it somewhere. Gosh, I hope David doesn’t. Oh, I’m David. I mean… C-C-C-nnnnn… HIM.

    Anyway, I’m going to surf north.

    Christmas, that’s it. Got it. Um. It’s a time for reflections and resolutions. New Year resolutions. It’s been a good year. Yes, thanks Trev, I though I said that well too. There were verbs and nouns and all sorts of things like you told me.

    Um. It’s been a good year and I resolve to hold the Labour Party to account. Or audit their accounts. Or listen to their accountant. Yes. And barbecue him.

    Ah, well, anyway, there’s this Zoroastermas message that I’ve recorded:

    It’s been a good year.

    No, I’ve already said that. I mean that here’s a recoding of me holding a Akhenatenmas to account:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

    Wasn’t that nice?

    Now I’m going to hold a reflection to account. I don’t trust him. He’s in the mirror and he’s also called David, like C-C-C-C-nnnn… can’t say it. Shifty fellow. Don’t trust reflections, they’re impostors. I’ll hold him to account though! With my hands.

    In 2013 I will be committed. No Trevor, not to one of THOSE places. I mean committed as in showing dedication. Annette got me a dick. Dictionary. I have my hands on it. No Trevor, the book! I am hands on the dictionary.

    I will be holding the government to account and it’s been a good year. Did I say that already?

    Well I have. Matthew told me so, and that other fellow. Short, chubby, spectacles. Also called David. It’s jolly confusing with so many Davids about, I can tell you! Still, they said they liked me, so that’s jolly nice of them. I must be doing well, unlike David… the reflection. Or C-C-C-nnnn… still can’t say it.

    I will be hands-on in holding the government for account for a good year. Well of course if I’m hands-on I’ll be holding it. In a direction. North, probably. What do you mean “redundant?” Look, there are FIVE cardinal directions. North, South, East, West and Hands-on. There, see! What, there are four? Well we’ll call North Hands-on. East, South, West and Hands-on. There.

    Where was I?

    Yes. Labour. I’d like to thank several Labour caucus members for supporting me against the Labour Party and holding them in a hands-on direction to account in what has been a good year. Together we can ensure that our lives eating at Bellamy’s continue. Thank you everyone, all you taxpayers for providing me with food, a nice comfy chair and… stuff. As you know, I believe in a hands-on way that people should pay their way and I’m glad that you’re paying mine.

    I look forward to you continuing to do my work for me.

    By the way, my roof needs painting. Could one of you blu- one of you wonderful warm supporters do it in a hands-on direction?

    My pants are warm.

    To avoid confusion, instead of being called David, I am now Ramesses Niblick the Third, Kerplunk Kerplunk Whoops Where’s My Thribble. Mister Flibble told me that.

  2. Tiresias 2

    Sorry David. I and thousands of others don’t do Christmas, either as a religious festival or as a crap-fest of over-indulgence and drooling Pavlovian consumerism. So wishing me a happy one is as meaningless as the kiss you’d give someone’s baby on the run-up to an election.

    Oh, and remind me when you tackled the Government on an issue that matters to me? It must have happened when those Jehova’s Witnesses came to the door in October some time and I missed two minutes of the radio news getting rid of them.

  3. ad 3

    I suspect next year Shearer will reach for the “nation-building” rhetoric. More abstract nouns like hope and country and identity etc. Sigh.

    Which will strike everyone (here and in analogue space) as being as half-baked as the housing policy. Has there been a detailed housing policy that shows how the policy targets will be achieved that I am unaware of?

    So now we are at less than 2% GDP growth per year. National want to have a traditional rentier + quarry/enclave economy.

    20 years ago you could drive up north from Auckland and the next piece of highly processed and diversified agriculture with good dividends did not appear past your car until you got to Kerkeri. Same in Otago; Milton to Roxburgh, then Ettrick to Alexandra.
    Same in Hawkes Bay apart from a few early vineyards. Same almost right around the country except the South Island West Coast and Far North west coast.

    In 1992 New Zealand still grew masses of raw logs and sheep – two of the very worst value exports that are now in irrecoverable decline (with a few rare high value-add exceptions). The bulk commodity quarry-enclave economy is dying a good slow death, no matter the primitive corporatist thinking Joyce has.

    Despite Joyce’s best efforts, mining just isn’t going to take off here. Unless someone is really gutsy and lucky in the great Southern basin. There are fewer and fewer places for lazy bulk-commodity investments to reside in any safety. Which is excellent long term for New Zealand.

    What I hope Labour wants, is to accelerate a value-added export economy far faster than anyone else. You can only do that with a plan, something like what David Cunliffe was outlining in his speeches this year. Even with a more value-added agricultural economy than we have had in 20 years, we still only get to 2% GDP growth.

    The environment will be damaged that’s a given, the actual question is how much damage is supportable to sustain a tax base that in turn sustains our social welfare net.

    How to get beyond 2% growth to something that sustains our massive retirement welfare burden, and our schools and hospitals and police. But especially retirement welfare.

    This is the one equation I don’t trust the Greens to deal with. Nor do I trust the likes of Shane Jones necessarily. But I desperately want a good government to plot the possible path that gets us there. National have no plan, and will never get back the rentier Old Zealand – too many businesses are locked into wanting higher margins now.

    But what is Labour’s plan? Beyond the broad tax moves. What is Labour’s plan for the economy without Cunliffe? The answer to that is the answer to the mark my pen makes in the election booth in 2014.

  4. bad12 4

    Dear Dave, nice BBQ spread you have got going there, i am, as usual a little short this week, any chance you can sweep a couple of crumbs off of the table my way,

    A Sickness Bene…

    • Mary 4.1

      Sorry bad12, Labour’s a party for workers, not beneficiaries. I wish Labour would just hurry up and die so we can get on with rebuilding the caring society. For as long as Labour hangs around competing with Key’s henchman to see who can hate the poor the most nothing will change. Until Labour fucks off we’re all doomed.

  5. Neoleftie 5

    Were do you live bad ..near me.
    Alway welcome at me BBQ and Xmas.
    We always have a gaggle of randoms at Xmas time…backpackers to elderly no where else to go folk from the neighbourhood etc, all welcome at our table.
    it’s a small gesture at this time of reflection and thanks giving.

    • bad12 5.1

      Gee thank’s for the offer but i do not celebrate Christmas in any way and on the 25th will carry on doing the normal stuff that i do every day….

  6. Mary 6

    “I look forward to continuing to work for you and with you in the New Year.”

    Until you change your stance on social security and your attitude towards the poor and say that you were wrong to abolish the special benefit in 2004 and wrong to ditch the long title to the Social Security Act that has been with us since 1938 and wrong to give beneficiaries with children less tax credits than other people with children and wrong to do a whole bunch of other stuff we’d only expect from the Tory scum and not only apologise for doing all these things but vow to fix them all up (and that we believe what you say, which will be very difficult because your track record is so hopelessly abysmal all trust has gone) we will never work with you again – we will fight you.

  7. lurgee 7

    Nothing warms the hearts of the right more than the sight of the left turning on itself.

    • Mary 7.1

      I agree, but Labour are not part of the left and haven’t been for a long time. When Labour rejoins the left, if they ever do, there’ll be no need to attack them.

    • Well here’s hoping the Right enjoy Mr Shearer&co’s little Christmas gift to them and that the situation is rectified in the new year then.

    • @lurgee, The left is not turning on itself at all,it’s all about fairness,justice,democracy, for
      too long the labour members,voters, workers have been ignored,Clark took the labour party
      further to the right and Shearer is steering the ship into a stronger shade of blue,that is the
      problem and that’s what alot of labourites and leftists recognize.
      Shearer has spent his dollar,he has shown over and over that he ticks all the boxes that
      represents right wing policies and ideology and flicks off any concerns and expectations that members or voters may have,in fact, he doesn’t care,
      What would warm the heart of the right even more,is if labour blue, joined national blue in
      a mega party, because as it stands there is no real difference,sure as hell would make key’s govt’s
      job easier in parliament, no hassels,no hard questioning,no intense questioning, needless to say,
      it’s already happening, the very time that the nacts should be begging for mercy because of
      their disasters to date, labour are asleep,the last year in parliament would show you that
      there has been no real pressure from labour.
      Shearer say’s he was ‘elected’ that’s spin, which suits him, he was hoisted into the job by
      a faction inside caucus,the members at the meetings voted for a leader, they voted for Cunliffe, who won 9 out of the 10 meetings,caucus went against the vote, can you not see why members
      and voters are just a bit pissed.
      The story here is about the people taking labour back to its roots,it’s founding principles and it
      is long overdue.

  8. Dear gods, the sizzling sounds, the 4-Square-Guy apron … could you be trying any harder, David? That’s not a compliment.

  9. Neoleftie 9

    Perhap you should invite hootens and QoT to your Xmas BBQ, after all it’s your turn.
    Poor David cunliffe is all alone at his..
    Seriously how about one or some fiery rhetoric perhaps.
    I’m David shearer and it’s time we put food on everyone table so we all can enjoy Xmas.
    It’s a time of family and community.
    It’s a time to reflect and in this trying economic time it’s time for a new direction.
    A direction where we are all have an fair and equal opportunity to share in the bounty of this fair and great country.
    Time for people to combine and strive together for a better way of life.
    It’s time, it’s labour time, it’s our time.

    • QoTViper 9.1

      Ha, can you imagine? I’d hope Matthew and I could do our Kiwi heritage proud by getting off-our-faces drunk and sticking to safe topics like the disgraceful treatment of Ross Taylor by NZ Cricket.

      • Mary 9.1.1

        Guess he could’ve posted on Redalert instead. Is that still going? Thought he’d feel more at home on Kiwiblog, anyway.

  10. quartz 10

    That apron is intensely telling. It’s an in-joke for a boomer elite that has appropriated “Kiwi” national identity while simultaneously denying anyone else access to it. It’s like a taxidermised trophy head in the study of a colonial bureaucrat.

  11. Chris 11

    Not a good look David!

  12. fender Viper 12

    Thought I had clicked on a Caption Contest there for a minute. With that guy about to instruct how to burn a Cunliffe prime fillet from the Gower 3 month marinade cookbook, the lost looking little Ted guy looking useless and is that Curren scoring an own goal again trying to do a browneye but being to stupid to lower the jeans?

  13. mac1 13

    A propos the Four Square apron.

    My father was a Four Square Grocer in Christchurch. When he was a grocer, it was a co-operative enterprise in which shares were held by individual small corner grocers.

    It was -strike that- IS a potent symbol for me as a son of a man who kept a small business, ran it ethically and with regard for his customers and community.

    My father was a Labour man through and through. I learned my politics from him and my social values. I was fortunate as the youngest son to give my father’s funeral oration in which I paid tribute to his rejection of profit motive above all else, to his fair pricing and fair dealings. All of these good Labour values.

    I believe that David Shearer as leader of the Labour party shares those values. I, for one, am pleased to see him wearing that symbol.

    That the Four Square guy is playing a guitar just might also have relevance as to why a guitar-playing Shearer should wear such an apron. As a guitar picker myself, I certainly would wear such an apron for that reason as well.

    That the apron happens to be a red one, might also have something to do with why Shearer should choose it.

    The rest, ladies and gentlemen, of what I have read above in your comments is pure unadulterated crap, full of hatred, bile and closed-mindedness. You see what you see because you want to see it.

    If you don’t believe this, then just consider the choice of the still shot from that short video. It’s not the one that got sent to me as a Labour member. It was chosen deliberately. A fair person would ask why. I ask that question of the poster of this post.

    My comments except Lurgee above. He or she has a point. Please take it.

    • mac1
      Interesting re the Four Square Grocer symbolism.

      How about writing to Mr Shearer and expressing Lurgee’s message to him?

      You are entitled to your opinion re unadulterated crap, full of hatred, bile and close-mindedness, and I am entitled to entirely disagree.

      I think you’ll find that most people critical of recent Labour party behaviour, are basing their opinions on observation, not close-mindedness and I remind you such comments are not the cause of caucus problems, nor left wing implosions, simply a response to them, no matter how msm paint it differently.

    • fender Viper 13.2

      Read the excellent comment made by Vivaciousviper for pointers on what has happened to Labour and why people are unhappy. Not the same party your father supported.

      And the duopoly grocery scene aint serving us well either.

    • Mary 13.3

      Your position ignores the fact that the current Labour Party is nothing like the Labour Party your father supported. The only thing they’ve got in common is the name. Have a look at all of the nasty policies Labour introduced that’ve done nothing but hurt the poorest of the poor. Do just a little bit of research and you’ll find that almost everyone on this thread is correct. Here’s what Sue Bradford had to say about Labour recently:

      “In the 2000s Labour was responsible, among other things, for getting rid of the much-needed Special Benefit, reintroducing ‘no go zones’ in rural areas, introducing massive structural discrimination against the children of beneficiaries via the In Work Tax Credit, and undermining in legislation the very purpose of social security itself as established by Labour’s own forebears in 1938.

      David Shearer’s recent speech in which he talked about a sickness beneficiary in a way guaranteed to appeal to beneficiary bashers nationwide has not given me confidence that Labour will do any better when they are once more part of Government.”

      http://pundit.co.nz/content/beneficiary-impact-highlights-poverty-of-social-policies

    • IrishBill 13.4

      Two things, Mac1. That’s a limited edition Dick Frizzell apron (he’s the artist that produced the label for the fundraiser wine) and the video is stopped on a frame chosen by Labour’s comms team – take a look at the original on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlYjZHGxgn4

      • Olwyn 13.4.1

        Under different circumstances that apron would at least show appreciation for a local artist, but in the present context it simply rubs salt into the wounds of demoralisation.

        I do not expect miracles. I happily supported Labour under Clark, though I did not like to see the scrapping of the SB. I willingly put pamphlets in letterboxes for Goff, though I met his leadership with a sigh and despised the way he dispensed with Chris Carter. Then I was still able to hold on to the belief, now shown to be false, that Labour under Clark had inched away from its dark past and could not go back there. It is utterly demoralising to see the Labour Party trying to sell itself in the manner of an insurance company rather lowering itself to represent or defend anyone. It is demoralising to have Matthew Hooton dropping by to gloat.

        Furthermore, though I cannot get excited about polls under the circumstances, I suspect that the mid thirties is the upper limit to what this strategy can achieve; it’s lose a few more left, gain a few more right, all within a very small margin.

        • Olwyn 13.4.1.1

          I should add that the deeply unjust treatment of Cunliffe, and less directly, of the members, cannot help but cast a further pall over these cheery meaningless messages – its like watching the ads for a restaurant from which I got food poisoning.

        • JK 13.4.1.2

          Likewise. I, too, thought Clark was starting to take Labour to the left, and I could put up with Goff because he was making the “right” noises – seemingly, also to the left. But what has happened since has reinforced my belief that Labour hasn’t really moved very far from the Rogernomics days, and personally I doubt that we’ll manage much more than the percentage we’ve achieved to date. Shearer sounds old and tired on that video, and unsure of himself. He’s had a good 12 months to find his feet and be a vigorous leader – he’s shown just the opposite. Key will wipe him out during election year (and Labour along with him).
          As for Shearer’s reaction to the media-led Cunliffe hounding : he couldn’t explain anything that Cunliffe did that was wrong or disloyal, but he went ahead and dumped him ignominiously anyway. That sort of behaviour on Shearer’s part is/was despicable.

      • mac1 13.4.2

        Thanks, IrishBill. I am happy to know that the discrepancy between the starting images of the two sources for the Shearer “Merry Christmas and thanks for 2012″ video lies where it does.

        It might even point out that I too am guilty of seeing what I want to see, once I was disposed to seeing it. I have been the recipient of having my image misused on TV and in the papers so that a particular opinion of the media person/s concerned might be reinforced. I am therefore well aware of what can be done.

        The rest of what I wrote reflects my feelings about the attacks on Shearer. As blue leopard says, he is absolutely entitled to disagree. I am happy to read well-founded and well-argued criticism of our leaders. It’s what I see as the pack-like behaviour and pettiness that grieves me.

        Once the leadership process within Labour is concluded in February, then I hope we can all move on, into constructive work to replace this dreadful National government with what promises to be a collaboration of the centre-left reflecting the values which are our collective history and heritage.

        • blue leopard 13.4.2.1

          Yes, after February, I believe there will be a shift regardless of the outcome of the Leadership vote.

          I think that the continued criticism is in order to get a strong message to the Labour party caucus to make some better moves than they have up until now. I think this criticism is a valuable part of democracy and it is too soon to start going easy on them. After February, though, I think people will focus their energies elsewhere, either support of NZLP, or for other parties; depending on the decisions made.

          • Mary 13.4.2.1.1

            “I think this criticism is a valuable part of democracy and it is too soon to start going easy on them. After February, though, I think people will focus their energies elsewhere, either support of NZLP, or for other parties; depending on the decisions made.”

            Yes, it’s way too early to start going easy on them, but I just hope that if Labour make the wrong decisions enough people will in fact give their support to other parties. I’m assuming, of course, that there’s consensus on what constitutes a “wrong decision”, but I just hope that the number of people who don’t agree with where Labour ends up going have got the guts to ditch them – that they won’t take the “better of two evils” approach as if we’re locked in an FPP timewarp. I think if enough people on the Left voted honestly Labour may very well be relegated below Opposition (with a capital “O”) status. For me personally when that happens will be a very happy day indeed, but that’s just because I’ve lost all hope that Labour can ever rejoin the Left.

            • blue leopard 13.4.2.1.1.1

              @ Mary
              I thoroughly agree with you re if Labour continues to make the wrong decisions, that people will move their support to other parties. This would be MMP working well.

              I hope Labour isn’t that far gone though…there’s still time…I hope (!)

        • Mary 13.4.2.2

          “I am happy to read well-founded and well-argued criticism of our leaders. It’s what I see as the pack-like behaviour and pettiness that grieves me.”

          Do you think then that it’s not possible for the “pack” (which in theses circumstances isn’t anything more than a group of individuals agreeing with each other) to offer criticism that is well argued and well founded, i.e simply because it’s criticism coming from a “pack”? Can’t the “pack” be correct? I think that on the question of Shearer and Labour and its track record and what Labour believes and where Labour’s likely to be heading … the “pack” has never been more accurate.

          • mac1 13.4.2.2.1

            Funnily enough, Mary, on another thread I was accused of being a sock puppet by the commenter who opened the batting for the anti-Shearer team in this post because I agreed with two other commenters that enough was enough.

            All I would say is to read the comments made from the beginning of this post. If they were fairly made I’d have no problem- apart from the OTT repetition of the slagging of Shearer that seems to dominate the Standard at the moment. My view is that they are not well argued (before my challenge- after that, people seem to have started to debate the issues and not just being denigratory) and not well founded.

            Your comments at 4.1 and 7.1 are examples. Your comment at 6, however, does give some basis for your position, and I respect that expression of an opinion. Since you are arguing from a stance that is outside the Labour Party, given your 4,1 and 7.1 remarks, you are perfectly entitled to attack the leader of the Labour Party. I would just hope that after February, when my Party decides the question, that we move on collectively to attack the real foe in National and its like minded friends as you strongly state in comment 6. “Scum” was your word.

            I note that there is an invitation to other party leaders to put their newsletters onto the Standard. So far, no other party leader has.

            I don’t have to wonder long for why, reading the comments to this post, no other leader has taken up the invitation for a free for all slagging.

            • vto 13.4.2.2.1.1

              That’s some well balamced uselessness. You should embrace not repulse.

              • mac1

                Please clarify, vto. Your comment seems to be critical (“well-balanced uselessness”) but does not explain what the criticism is.

                Does the second sentence refer to me, someone else, or is it a general philosophical principle that you are enunciating?

                • vto

                  I can’t explain it any better

                • mac1
                  Don’t you feel a little bit critical that the biggest, most directed attack that Labour displayed this year was toward one of its own? In a year when National was doing a particularly good impression of a group of clowns that hadn’t a clue how to run a raffle, let alone a country.

                  Don’t you think that perhaps it has something to do with this type of phenomenon, that people are a tad peeved?

                  Do you think it is useful to point out to a party when it is screwing up? Or do you think that you should be “loyal” to a party, regardless of its behaviour, and regardless of its “loyalty” to you?

                  • mac1

                    blue leopard, I have no problem with criticism that is well made, well founded and giving some general obeisance to logic, examples and conclusions. I am not interested particularly in pettiness, etc as I have already stated.

                    If that is made by someone outside the Labour party, no problem. If it’s made by Labour members within the Labour Party, no problem. February should decide the issue that you characterise as the biggest, most directed attack.

                    I don’t respond publicly to criticisms I have of NZLP doings, as a loyal member. The party is bigger than us as individuals. But I do voice criticism within when I feel the need.

                    I understand people’s concerns. I do read this blog and I do attend meetings within the Labour Party. Just had an informal end of year meeting tonight actually.

                    I am saying that a lot of the criticism is unfounded, petty, vindictive, motivated by the desire to pull down a fellow left wing party, motivated by personal grievances with the party, basically bull shit stuff that is tiresomely repetitive. Not all…… a lot. People can decide for themselves which is which.

                    Would I like Labour to be more effective as an opposition? Would I like the media to be fairer in its reporting? Would I like people to be more focussed on issues than upon personalities? Would I like to get one or two people into a quiet room and conduct some restorative justice meetings, refocus energies and ask for a re-examination of their political, social and personal priorities? Would I ask them to consider the question that the party is bigger than us?

                    Those are wish lists for Santa Claus and suggestions for New Year’s resolutions. It’s all been seen before and will be again in my coming up forty years in the party. We’ll be back. We have to. Things are too important otherwise.

                    We all need a bit of a break from all this to refresh, rethink, revitalise, re-prioritise, reprise the struggle.

                    Best wishes to all of us for that.

                    • Napkins

                      “I don’t respond publicly to criticisms I have of NZLP doings, as a loyal member. The party is bigger than us as individuals. But I do voice criticism within when I feel the need.”

                      Perhaps you could also remind the Labour caucus that the party is bigger than they are?
                      Last I looked however they disagreed vehemently with that message. To the extent of silencing their own MPs and members via a major crackdown.

                    • Mary

                      “I am saying that a lot of the criticism is unfounded, petty, vindictive, motivated by the desire to pull down a fellow left wing party, motivated by personal grievances with the party, basically bull shit stuff that is tiresomely repetitive. Not all…… a lot. People can decide for themselves which is which.”

                      Yes, you’re right. We shouldn’t be so petty and vindictive. We should be applauding how a so-called party of the left continued the decimation of our social security system after leading us all to believe it would put a halt to the nasty attacks on the poor carried out by the Richardson/Shipley tag-team of the 1990s.

                      Yes, you’re right. Continuing to speak up for the poor and vulnerable who suffered at the hands of a so-called left party that did nothing for them but put the boot in is just “tiresomely repetitive”.

                      Yes, every criticism of the current Labour Party is unfounded. We should all just shut the fuck up, at least until we know what we’re talking about.

                      I nearly didn’t bother giving your comment a response because as vto’s pointed out what you say is so well balanced it’s useless. Did you ever see the movie Pleasantville?

                      Your problem is that you value party allegiance over how a party’s policies impact on people’s lives: “The Party can do no wrong.” I’ve talked to people from the Labour Party who are of this ilk about what happened to social security between 1999 and 2008. It was like talking to robots. Everything, they said, was out of their control. It’s as if they weren’t human. Your comments seem very similar. What’s interesting, rather than convincing me that your way is the best way, you’re strengthening resolve to keep telling the truth. Apologies, Mac, if all this sounds rather Ghandinian, but Labour will continue to be fought until it proves itself to be a true party of the Left.

                    • Hear hear Napkins.

                      Cheers for the response Mac1,

                      I see where you are coming from.

                      Greater than the individuals, the Party is based on political principles that, here on The Standard, I read many pleas that the party realign with, based on fears the Party (more like caucus) is wandering from them. Add that to the wish list and we can all hope Santa Claus (caucus or even perhaps providence? …well anything really) delivers. I think many people commenting here would be very happy if he does. :)

            • Mary 13.4.2.2.1.2

              “My view is that they are not well argued (before my challenge- after that, people seem to have started to debate the issues and not just being denigratory) and not well founded.”

              Guess you’ve socked it to us, then.

              • mac1

                Synchronicity does not imply causality, Mary.

                No debate then? Just more of the same. Have a good break.

                I’ll now put a sock in my own mouth, as this discussion warrants.

                • Mary

                  The clear inference was that your “challenge” caused a change in the way comments on this thread were made. You weren’t saying that it was a coincidence.

  14. xtasy 14

    Shearer faaaarted into the wind, riding on his surf board and feasting on a barbie.

    I always read “Shearer says”, so when does he start to LISTEN, perhaps, our soft dictator dude???

  15. Craig Glen viper 15

    Shearer says “nothing”

  16. felixviper 16

    Mumblefuck takes twenty-two seconds to say “Merry Christmas” (really getting the hang of those soundbites) while anointed former staffer Kris Faafoi stands around like a half-sucked cock.

    Ladies and Gents, The Labour Party.

    • xtasy 16.1

      I am starting to see “Labour” in the same light as the “labour” a pregnant woman painfully goes through, while her baby is born.

      That may mean there could perhaps be a positive outcome at the end, but it must be called something else, as it would have to be “beyond Labour” and full of life, to be “positive”.

      So all on the left, spend some thoughts on this over the holidays, maybe a totally new start, with a new, freshly faced, smartly founded and well organised NEW party may be the only solution to get rid of such idiots that are presently sitting on the front bench for “Labour”.

      Flipping a few chops on a BBQ and saying nothing worth saying for 22 seconds in a useless video message, that is NOT the message I want to get from a “leader”, before Christmas.

      No wonder Key can travel to Hawaii without much to worry about?!

      • Mary 16.1.1

        “No wonder Key can travel to Hawaii without much to worry about?!”

        That’s why the right welcomed Shearer with open arms. “Come David, come join the ranks of the chosen, become one of us, join the elite. It doesn’t matter what party you’re from, silly … all that party stuff is for the plebs. You’re in the big time now, Little Flick.”

        I hear what you’re saying, Xtasy, but I don’t share your sense of hope. Labour cannot ever find redemption. Maybe this is in fact what you’re saying, but the party’s tainted beyond ever being able to be trusted again. I agree a fresh start is needed but I’m afraid the only way that can happen is after the complete destruction of the Labour Party as we currently know it.

        • xtasy 16.1.1.1

          They are nearly there, to be honest!

          Hence my repeated appeal to others, to rethink, to consider a NEW party altogether, to get over this nonsense!

  17. vto 17

    Upon first reading and initial reaction it would seem to be written from afar. Lots of things to write to lots of people suppose. What is it that makes a great leader?

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    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • No time for self-pity
    After 23 meetings across the largest non-Maori electorate in the country – almost all of which went fantastically, approx 4,500km on the odometer, positive MSM and social media coverage, and polling well, I admit my team and I headed to...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • The 30 second speech that could have saved the Moment of Truth
    As the dust settles and we struggle to understand what the bloody hell happened on Saturday, many point to Kim’s failure at the Moment of Truth to present his evidence. I think that Kim was poorly advised and that politics requires a...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Internet MANA and the 2014 election
    It was always going to be a hard task for Hone Harawira to hold onto his Te Tai Tokerau seat when the political establishment united in a coalition to defeat him and the chance for Internet MANA to bring more...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Women’s group heartened by response to promo girls
    The National Council of Women of New Zealand is heartened by the strong response to the inappropriate use of bikini-clad girls at a technology expo....
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Owen interviews Jim Anderton, Helen Kelly and Selwyn Pellet
    Lisa Owen interviews Jim Anderton, Helen Kelly and Selwyn Pellet ___________________________________________ The Nation on TV3, 9.30am Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Check us out online , on Facebook or on Twitter . Tell us what you think at thenation@mediaworks.co.nz or text...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Owen interviews Mark Boyd, Jonathan Milne and John Minto
    Lisa Owen interviews Mark Boyd, Jonathan Milne and John Minto ___________________________________________ The Nation on TV3, 9.30am Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Check us out online , on Facebook or on Twitter . Tell us what you think at thenation@mediaworks.co.nz or text...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Prime Time on Labour
    Mike Smith - former General Secretary of the NZ Labour Party Jim McAloon, Assoc Prof, Victoria University of Wellington History Department (currently writing official history of the Labour Party) Rob Salmond, consultant to Labour Leader's office and...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Korero Mai Ki Ahau – Saturday 27 & Sunday 28 September 2014
    Saturday 27 September 2014 | One million people voted for National in last week’s election. Another million didn’t vote at all. In Kia Korero Mai this week, Eru Morgan talks to political commentator Henare Kingi about the figures and what...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • On The Nation this weekend: Labour, National, The Media
    This weekend on The Nation… Labour’s had its worst election result in 92 years, so what happens next? We’ll talk to former Labour president Jim Anderton, CTU president Helen Kelly, and tech entrepreneur and past donor Selwyn Pellett about the...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Red Cross, Pacific leaders prepare for cyclone season
    The New Zealand Red Cross Pacific Advisory Group, met for the first time this week, to develop a disaster response plan for the upcoming Pacific cyclone season, which is forecast to be severe....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Teachers support PM’s call for solutions to child poverty
    NZEI Te Riu Roa is pleased to hear that the Prime Minister is calling for new ideas to address child poverty....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • First batch of household protection kits arrives in Liberia
    Kits containing protective gear will equip a network of community-based Ebola care centres nationwide...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Dr Paul Hutchison praised for work to reduce child poverty
    The Association of Salaried Medical Specialists (ASMS) has thanked retiring National MP Dr Paul Hutchison for his work to reduce child poverty....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Bag snatch hero deserves a medal – McVicar
    The Justice Spokesman for the Conservative Party, Garth McVicar, is calling for the woman known as the bag-snatch hero to be awarded a medal for bravery....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Police Remembrance Day
    This week, Police staff and others have been wearing the distinctive huia feather-shaped Police Remembrance Pin as they reflect on those who have lost their lives in service to the society they swore to protect. Police Remembrance Day falls on...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Affordable Auckland Attacks Creeping Apartheid
    Affordable Auckland Leader Stephen Berry is disturbed by developments increasing the number of local body regions choosing racially based representation. The Waikato and Bay of Plenty Regional Councils already have Maori wards, while New Plymouth...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Dairy Strategy Proving to be a Disaster
    The intensification of the dairy industry is proving to be a disaster, says SAFE. This comes after the forecast 2015 milk price payout was cut 12% by Fonterra this week. “Last year, the government effectively gave the green light for...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Where Next for the Left?
    26 September 2014 A discussion of the post-election prospects for radicals, facilitated by Fightback. 6pm | Monday 28th September | 19 Tory St [ Facebook event ]...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
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