Signposts and weathercocks

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1. BM 1

   19 July 2015 at 12:41 pm

   This true left winger stuff , true mandate stuff is horse shit.

   You should be trying to run a country not a church.

   Socialist parties need to be more flexible in the modern age, not rigid and unwavering, that’s the type of thinking that gets every one slaughtered.
   • weka 1.1

     19 July 2015 at 1:43 pm

     more flexible, like a weathercock perhaps?

     Interesting use of the slaughtered rhetoric given that climate change won’t give a shit about the degree to which one follows the wind. It’s not the weather on the ground that’s going to kill us.
   • Chris 1.2

     19 July 2015 at 2:06 pm

     “This true left winger stuff , true mandate stuff is horse shit.”

     I think you’re getting confused. How flexible are you saying a party or government should be? So flexible that it becomes unrecognisable from its opposition? For example, Black says food banks aren’t part of our social welfare system but a symbol of its failure. In NZ food banks are accepted by government as a legitimate means for the poor to feed their kids. Social security policy is currently built around the existence of private charity. This began in the 1990s and was entrenched by Labour in the 2000s. Labour has become so “flexible” that it’s adopted the same right-wing thinking it vehemently opposed as recently as the 1990s. Is that “flexible”, or a sell out? Black’s talking about basic core values, whereas you’re using “flexible” to include abandoning core values.
     • BM 1.2.1

       19 July 2015 at 4:45 pm

       What ever works, that’s my motto.
       • Stuart Munro 1.2.1.1

         19 July 2015 at 5:28 pm

         So why pretend to theoretical positions, like an objection to socialism?

         I like things that work too.

         Things unlike $101 billion in debt failed governments like this one.

         Bill English needs to get with this century and dump his ‘Chicago boy’ cultist mates. They never did anything for Chile, where most of them went to prison. Where they belong.
         • BM 1.2.1.1.1

           19 July 2015 at 5:52 pm

           There’s some parts of socialism I like, there’s some parts of capitalism I like.

           If I was forced to pick one system though, I’d prefer capitalism, socialism is a bit too rigid and churchy for me.
           • Chris 1.2.1.1.1.1

             20 July 2015 at 12:14 am

             The two aren’t mutually exclusive. And you can dispense with the churchy bits of both, especially capitalism’s, which is the churchiest of them all.
         • Chris 1.2.1.1.2

           20 July 2015 at 12:10 am

           The Chicago boy cultists have dumped themselves. But of course that means nothing to inferiority complexed New Zealand.
2. dukeofurl 2

   19 July 2015 at 12:58 pm

   The Tory ‘living wage’ has some strange conditions:

   “….Tories as the party of working people by declaring that the living wage will be introduced from next April at a rate of £7.20 an hour for people over the age of 25.”
   They have just rebranded the minimum wag as a ‘living wage’ when its no such thing

   Its unbelievable, over 25 is the new step from youth to adult. In reality there would be hardly anyone over 25 that would get any significant increase. AS its obvious its designed to work that way.
   • mickysavage 2.1

     19 July 2015 at 4:52 pm

     I agree.

     This is a PR marketing proposal rather than something designed to properly address a problem. It gives them the ability they can claim they are doing something and shows up Labour.
   • Olwyn 2.2

     19 July 2015 at 5:11 pm

     With both this and NZ’s rise in benefits next year, the PR target is the wavering middle class, not the recipients of what is meant to look like largesse. In both cases, a lot of what is given, if not all of it, will be whittled away by the loss of government income supports, like the housing supplement, etc. Moreover, it allows them to effectively say, “We are at liberty to do these things because we are prudent managers and the market likes us…unlike Labour, who can’t be trusted so must answer for every cent.”
3. Ad 3

   19 July 2015 at 1:18 pm

   If you like Tony Benn, go to the source through his sensatinal biographical film “Will and Testament”.

   This film, like Loach’s “The Spirit of ’45”, paints a canvas of the great nation-building era after World War 2. But this time it’s personal to one great and powerful Minister. It’s The West Wing for Socialists, but in real life.

   You have everything to fear of National taking more of Labour’s policy ideas, and implementing just enough of them to cauterise any new oppositional muscle. By October it will happen in The Auckland real estate market, because Smith will I believe amend the RMA to specifically ensure that the Unitary Plan has even less right of appeal than now, and no ability for Council to hold it up. They want it passed by the local elections next year.

   When Key knows they are vulnerable, he always counter-strikes.

   It’s the Opposition’s job to come up with new campaigns, particular.y where the Government is doing nothing either legislatively or in policy. Labour is the sufficient policy shop for National.
4. Olwyn 4

   19 July 2015 at 2:23 pm

   I think the big question is how many signposts pointing left will be chopped down before enough remain standing to make a difference. The British LP looks to be following a pattern much like the one we have followed over the past few years. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mps-are-plotting-a-coup-against-the-potential-leader-if-he-is-elected-10399272.html People are fed up with lukewarm leftist parties, while huge efforts are being put into thwarting alternative models – the SNP has done extraordinarily well to get as far as it has under the circumstances. I am confident that the fight back has begun, but I am not sure how long it will take for it to make a significant dent. The British Labour MPs who are plotting the overthrow of Corbyn are setting themselves up to be nothing more than understudies, to be brought on stage in the event of a mad or disastrously incompetent Tory.
   • The Other Mike 4.1

     19 July 2015 at 3:19 pm

     Agreed. Look at the traction Bernie Sanders is gaining in the US with his “socialist” policies.
   • mickysavage 4.2

     19 July 2015 at 5:02 pm

     That is an interesting article and shows how removed some MPs are from the activists. Fancy planning to sabotage the democratic choice of the party.
5. Draco T Bastard 5

   19 July 2015 at 3:25 pm

   And they do not have the resources to focus group the ideal position and will lose calibration competitions most of the time.

   And that’s, IMO, partially due to traditional Labour Parties becoming centrist as well. They went to the corporate funding model and dropped the mass party model. A mass party has a huge financial source in it’s membership whereas a corporate funded party has only what the corporations are willing to give and that’s just not enough to fund a labour party as business will always fund the right-wing more.
6. Alister Barry 6

   19 July 2015 at 10:45 pm

   I also noticed that the Conservative Party in the UK was about to start claiming it represented “working people”, or perhaps they will use the word “workers”. This will particularly be used when making a distinction between “workers” and those on social welfare. Nice move Crosby Textor.
7. Stuart Munro 7

   21 July 2015 at 10:34 am

   The other strength of a mass party is that it gives more feedback. Labour wouldn’t need to poll as much if it practised more direct democracy.

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