Comments on: Some advice for the Greens http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/ The New Zealand labour movement used to have its own newspaper. A group of us thought that now might be a good time for it to be digitally reborn: The Standard v2.0 - now in a new format The Standard v3.0 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:30:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nanoo http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164329 Nanoo Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:25:39 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164329 Don't ejaculate prematurely. Don’t ejaculate prematurely.

]]> By: Ag http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164300 Ag Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:56:21 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164300 It's insane, isn't it? It makes me want to start a blog, but then I remember that people don't care about reason and evidence in politics any more. It’s insane, isn’t it?

It makes me want to start a blog, but then I remember that people don’t care about reason and evidence in politics any more.

]]> By: outofbed http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164298 outofbed Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:06:26 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164298 and last and last

]]> By: Rex Widerstrom http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164295 Rex Widerstrom Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:31:01 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164295 Disgust but not, I hope, surprise. Look up "control freak" in the dictionary and there's a picture of Jim (it's right beneath the entry for "freak of nature" which features a photo of Peter Dunne's hair). Disgust but not, I hope, surprise. Look up “control freak” in the dictionary and there’s a picture of Jim (it’s right beneath the entry for “freak of nature” which features a photo of Peter Dunne’s hair).

]]> By: Zaphod Beeblebrox http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164292 Zaphod Beeblebrox Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:36:34 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164292 Jeanette supporting the RMA changes, mining in National Parks and capping carbon credits- sounds like a Tui billboard to me. Jeanette supporting the RMA changes, mining in National Parks and capping carbon credits- sounds like a Tui billboard to me.

]]> By: Nanoo http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164290 Nanoo Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:52:38 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164290 Key will soon appoint former Green Party leader Jeanette Fitzsimons to a prominent position. Its part of an internal National strategy, which has been cooking for a number of years now, to neutralise the Greens, take away some of their ground on environmental issues, and remove some potential criticisms of National and its emissions trading scheme. You heard it here first ;) Key will soon appoint former Green Party leader Jeanette Fitzsimons to a prominent position. Its part of an internal National strategy, which has been cooking for a number of years now, to neutralise the Greens, take away some of their ground on environmental issues, and remove some potential criticisms of National and its emissions trading scheme. You heard it here first ;)

]]> By: RedLogix http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164286 RedLogix Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:30:59 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164286 <em>Actually, I'm reasonably certain that there isn't a party that does.</em> Can I despair now? Or polish off this remarkably drinkable strawberry wine we found at the local farmer's market yesterday? Sighs... choices, choices. Actually, I’m reasonably certain that there isn’t a party that does.

Can I despair now? Or polish off this remarkably drinkable strawberry wine we found at the local farmer’s market yesterday? Sighs… choices, choices.

]]> By: QoT http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164282 QoT Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:12:12 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164282 Agreed on all counts, rocky. Agreed on all counts, rocky.

]]> By: Draco T Bastard http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164281 Draco T Bastard Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:11:08 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164281 Who's <i>progressive and sensible sustainable economic agenda</i> are you referring to? Labour is decidedly in the capitalist camp and that doesn't have anything to do with sustainability. Admittedly, the Greens don't get economics either. Actually, I'm reasonably certain that there isn't a party that does. Who’s progressive and sensible sustainable economic agenda are you referring to?

Labour is decidedly in the capitalist camp and that doesn’t have anything to do with sustainability. Admittedly, the Greens don’t get economics either. Actually, I’m reasonably certain that there isn’t a party that does.

]]> By: George.com http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164280 George.com Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:08:42 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164280 I am generally in agreement. Exactly how the Greens and Labour can get themselves sorted out to form strong bonds is for debate. The present economic and envronmental morass and some potential for more, the last we really need is 'blue-green'. That just means more of the same, business as usual. It doesn't throw up any great solutions or alternatives. A continuation of the Labour lethargy we saw in some parts of its 9 years of government is not the answer either. 'Not scaring the horses' isn't really an option anymore. Continuing engagement with 'blue-green' certainly isn't the answer. Case in point, some people think electric cars is the answer to an oil reduced and carbon reduced future (I am not so sure about that however myself). If it is to be the future answer, where is the planning, where is the debate, where are the estimates, where is the blueprint to infrastructure, recharging facilities, new power plants, forms of electricity generation, pricing incentives to usher it in, concerted energy conservation in other areas of the economy etc? This is the type of project the greens and labour could collaborate on. rob I am generally in agreement. Exactly how the Greens and Labour can get themselves sorted out to form strong bonds is for debate. The present economic and envronmental morass and some potential for more, the last we really need is ‘blue-green’. That just means more of the same, business as usual. It doesn’t throw up any great solutions or alternatives. A continuation of the Labour lethargy we saw in some parts of its 9 years of government is not the answer either. ‘Not scaring the horses’ isn’t really an option anymore. Continuing engagement with ‘blue-green’ certainly isn’t the answer.

Case in point, some people think electric cars is the answer to an oil reduced and carbon reduced future (I am not so sure about that however myself). If it is to be the future answer, where is the planning, where is the debate, where are the estimates, where is the blueprint to infrastructure, recharging facilities, new power plants, forms of electricity generation, pricing incentives to usher it in, concerted energy conservation in other areas of the economy etc? This is the type of project the greens and labour could collaborate on.

rob

]]> By: Akldnut http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164279 Akldnut Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:00:08 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164279 Yep Irishbill, I've never voted Greens but I've dropped off their pamphlets at the same time as Labour pamphlets through-out West Akld :) Yep Irishbill, I’ve never voted Greens but I’ve dropped off their pamphlets at the same time as Labour pamphlets through-out West Akld :)

]]> By: Bill http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164277 Bill Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:56:37 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164277 And so what I read from all this at the end of the day is that Sue stepping down from parliament is a cue to reconstitute the true left... the extra-parliamentary left. 'Cause what's left in parliamentary politics now? And so what I read from all this at the end of the day is that Sue stepping down from parliament is a cue to reconstitute the true left… the extra-parliamentary left.

‘Cause what’s left in parliamentary politics now?

]]> By: Bill http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164273 Bill Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:38:29 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164273 What is being over-looked is a fairly obvious bias in party memberships. If I'm working class, my time is all used up and so I'm unlikely to be a member of any party. But if I'm a liberal minded middle class time to kill type of person, then... So the party is extremely bias/weighted to a catered for middle class who treat everything on a feel good theoretical basis rather than on a day to day reality basis. Has the Green Party taken this in to account when it claims democratic integrity by protesting that 'the party decides'? What is being over-looked is a fairly obvious bias in party memberships. If I’m working class, my time is all used up and so I’m unlikely to be a member of any party.

But if I’m a liberal minded middle class time to kill type of person, then…

So the party is extremely bias/weighted to a catered for middle class who treat everything on a feel good theoretical basis rather than on a day to day reality basis.

Has the Green Party taken this in to account when it claims democratic integrity by protesting that ‘the party decides’?

]]> By: BLiP http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164272 BLiP Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:34:07 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164272 :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

]]> By: Bill http://thestandard.org.nz/some-advice-for-the-greens/comment-page-1/#comment-164270 Bill Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:27:36 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=22044#comment-164270 Nah. You miss my point. Sure, work with whoever on whatever issues. But that MoU is a millstone around the neck of the Greens in the parliamentary pond. What, if any, was the consultation process within the party before its signing? Nah.
You miss my point. Sure, work with whoever on whatever issues. But that MoU is a millstone around the neck of the Greens in the parliamentary pond. What, if any, was the consultation process within the party before its signing?

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