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	<description>The New Zealand labour movement used to have its own newspaper. A group of us thought that now might be a good time for it to be digitally reborn: The Standard v2.0 - now in a new format The Standard v3.0</description>
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		<title>By: Casual Watcher</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14495</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how much this post resembles this press release from the epmu http://www.ourmedia.org.nz/2007_04_12_TVNZ_guts

So which was it? Was this press release written on epmu time or was this post written on epmu time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how much this post resembles this press release from the epmu <a href="http://www.ourmedia.org.nz/2007_04_12_TVNZ_guts" rel="nofollow">http://www.ourmedia.org.nz/2007_04_12_TVNZ_guts</a></p>
<p>So which was it? Was this press release written on epmu time or was this post written on epmu time?</p>
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		<title>By: schrodigerscat</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14211</link>
		<dc:creator>schrodigerscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes lets get on with it. More analysis less froth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes lets get on with it. More analysis less froth.</p>
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		<title>By: vrag naroda</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14210</link>
		<dc:creator>vrag naroda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody seen Peter ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody seen Peter ?</p>
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		<title>By: westmere</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14209</link>
		<dc:creator>westmere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly because there&#039;s something else on today?

I&#039;m sure the six and a half people in New Zealand consumed with this issue will have plenty of time to froth about it for the rest of the year. But please forgive the rest of us if we don&#039;t share your obsession at this moment. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly because there&#8217;s something else on today?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the six and a half people in New Zealand consumed with this issue will have plenty of time to froth about it for the rest of the year. But please forgive the rest of us if we don&#8217;t share your obsession at this moment. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimble</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14198</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been going on for a day or more now, yet there is STILL nothing on the front page about it. Why is that?

You would think a small reference would be warranted surely? Just a single post to set the record straight?

I can think of three plausible reasons why this hasnt happened, and they are by no means mutually exclusive.

1. Paul M has you dead to rights, and there is little wriggle room.

2. You haven&#039;t been able to come up with a consistent story thus far.

3. If you put it on the front page, any one that happens to stumble upon the site will be blissfully unaware of your humiliation and by your Labou-funded, anti-National propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been going on for a day or more now, yet there is STILL nothing on the front page about it. Why is that?</p>
<p>You would think a small reference would be warranted surely? Just a single post to set the record straight?</p>
<p>I can think of three plausible reasons why this hasnt happened, and they are by no means mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>1. Paul M has you dead to rights, and there is little wriggle room.</p>
<p>2. You haven&#8217;t been able to come up with a consistent story thus far.</p>
<p>3. If you put it on the front page, any one that happens to stumble upon the site will be blissfully unaware of your humiliation and by your Labou-funded, anti-National propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Daveo</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14190</link>
		<dc:creator>Daveo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy- props. I enjoy having reasonable rightwingers on this site rather than the usual dross that comes over from Kiwiblog. It makes it a lot more interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy- props. I enjoy having reasonable rightwingers on this site rather than the usual dross that comes over from Kiwiblog. It makes it a lot more interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Daveo</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14188</link>
		<dc:creator>Daveo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had a listen to that Larry Williams piece and what a joke. He sounded like he was reading someone else&#039;s work. There was none of the usual passion and anger, and the attempts to link it to the &#039;draconian&#039; EFA (real professional Laz&#039;) were desperate. He was done in twenty seconds and honestly, Sprout&#039;s on the money when he says Lazza just sounded bored.

All in all a crap piece of journalism during dead time that basically amounted to &quot;I read this thing on Kiwiblog and it sounds kind of bad for labour - haven&#039;t bothered to do any more research. Next story.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had a listen to that Larry Williams piece and what a joke. He sounded like he was reading someone else&#8217;s work. There was none of the usual passion and anger, and the attempts to link it to the &#8216;draconian&#8217; EFA (real professional Laz&#8217;) were desperate. He was done in twenty seconds and honestly, Sprout&#8217;s on the money when he says Lazza just sounded bored.</p>
<p>All in all a crap piece of journalism during dead time that basically amounted to &#8220;I read this thing on Kiwiblog and it sounds kind of bad for labour &#8211; haven&#8217;t bothered to do any more research. Next story.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robinsod</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14186</link>
		<dc:creator>Robinsod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dude abides, Billy.</description>
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		<title>By: Outofbed</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14185</link>
		<dc:creator>Outofbed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy 
well said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy<br />
well said</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14184</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a funny day.

I know no-one in blogosphere.  I judge them all by what they say.

I am a right winger.  So I have always been inclined to think all of Tane&#039;s &quot;DPF what&#039;s your game [insert conspiracy about being in the pay of a the vast right wing conspiracy]&quot; posts were all paranoia.  Maybe I am naive.

I am not going to lie: when I read DPF&#039;s post, I was delighted.  The Standard being plausibly exposed as being potentially involved in exactly what they have tirelessly accused DPF of doing.  What delicious irony.

But then I remember Hanlon&#039;s Razor: don&#039;t attribute to maliciousness that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.  And, for the same reason I suspect (without knowing) that DPF is just a guy who is interested in politics and is a right winger by conviction, I suspect that the Standard people are just people who are interested in politics and are left wingers by conviction.

Now maybe I am just naive and Heather Simpson is smirking whilst composing her next post as Tane. Almost certainly Nih will pop up and call me gay.  But I suspect I am closer to the truth about both sides than any partisan hack will admit.

And isn&#039;t it funny that, pretend as we like that this is all about ideology, what really gets everyone&#039;s juices flowing is a good old conspiracy theory where, rather than having to show why our respective ideas are better, we can simply leap to exposing the other side as being dishonest.

And now I am going to go, because I am worried everyone is reading this in the voice Sam Elliot used in &#039;The Big Lebowski&#039;, Dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a funny day.</p>
<p>I know no-one in blogosphere.  I judge them all by what they say.</p>
<p>I am a right winger.  So I have always been inclined to think all of Tane&#8217;s &#8220;DPF what&#8217;s your game [insert conspiracy about being in the pay of a the vast right wing conspiracy]&#8221; posts were all paranoia.  Maybe I am naive.</p>
<p>I am not going to lie: when I read DPF&#8217;s post, I was delighted.  The Standard being plausibly exposed as being potentially involved in exactly what they have tirelessly accused DPF of doing.  What delicious irony.</p>
<p>But then I remember Hanlon&#8217;s Razor: don&#8217;t attribute to maliciousness that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.  And, for the same reason I suspect (without knowing) that DPF is just a guy who is interested in politics and is a right winger by conviction, I suspect that the Standard people are just people who are interested in politics and are left wingers by conviction.</p>
<p>Now maybe I am just naive and Heather Simpson is smirking whilst composing her next post as Tane. Almost certainly Nih will pop up and call me gay.  But I suspect I am closer to the truth about both sides than any partisan hack will admit.</p>
<p>And isn&#8217;t it funny that, pretend as we like that this is all about ideology, what really gets everyone&#8217;s juices flowing is a good old conspiracy theory where, rather than having to show why our respective ideas are better, we can simply leap to exposing the other side as being dishonest.</p>
<p>And now I am going to go, because I am worried everyone is reading this in the voice Sam Elliot used in &#8216;The Big Lebowski&#8217;, Dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnsley Bill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14182</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnsley Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blame Tumeke for this whole debacle
http://barnsleybill.blogspot.com/2008/01/evil-conspiracy-revealed.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blame Tumeke for this whole debacle<br />
<a href="http://barnsleybill.blogspot.com/2008/01/evil-conspiracy-revealed.html" rel="nofollow">http://barnsleybill.blogspot.com/2008/01/evil-conspiracy-revealed.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14179</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dad, stop posting under Sonic&#039;s name.  We&#039;re all onto you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dad, stop posting under Sonic&#8217;s name.  We&#8217;re all onto you.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnsley Bill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14175</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnsley Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cuba... bay of pigs... comedy gold. JWB sprayed forth from my nostrils.
Rob you are a bastard (he mumbles through a hankie, trying to stop the stinging).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cuba&#8230; bay of pigs&#8230; comedy gold. JWB sprayed forth from my nostrils.<br />
Rob you are a bastard (he mumbles through a hankie, trying to stop the stinging).</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14172</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw IP - who do you work for?

why did you post more than 3,000 words here in one evening, opposing the EFB on the night National tried its lame arsed filibustering?

just a passionate hobbyist are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw IP &#8211; who do you work for?</p>
<p>why did you post more than 3,000 words here in one evening, opposing the EFB on the night National tried its lame arsed filibustering?</p>
<p>just a passionate hobbyist are you?</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/spinning-the-spin/comment-page-8/#comment-14171</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s Larry Williams been taking voice lessons from, John Banks?

Sounds a lot like the only &quot;independent expert&quot; David Farrar wrote the &quot;story&quot; for him. About as long and interesting as a Bog post too, even Williams (often quite good at mock-outrage) sounds like he can barely keep awake till the end of the piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s Larry Williams been taking voice lessons from, John Banks?</p>
<p>Sounds a lot like the only &#8220;independent expert&#8221; David Farrar wrote the &#8220;story&#8221; for him. About as long and interesting as a Bog post too, even Williams (often quite good at mock-outrage) sounds like he can barely keep awake till the end of the piece.</p>
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