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Statistic of the Day

Written By: - Date published: 10:06 am, August 15th, 2013 - 19 comments
Categories: unemployment, wages - Tags: ,

Percent of New Zealanders with not enough money to make ends meet: 15 (another 33% have just enough)

Percent unemployed: 6.4

19 comments on “Statistic of the Day”

  1. James 1

    If you have Sky or smoke – you have enough. So I think anyone with either of them should be automatically discounted from any stats.

    Amazing how many luxury’s like sky you see in lower socioeconomic areas.

    • DTH 1.1

      OK, maybe I missed something? Where in those stats does it say anything about Sky or smoking?

      • James 1.1.1

        they are talking about people that do not have enough money to get by.

        I was arguing that “not enough money to make ends meet” – should not include people that choose to use money on luxuries.

        I have assumed that a lot of them are included in this as there is no definition of “unable to make ends meet” means.

    • Mary 1.2

      Do you believe beneficiaries who smoke deserve access to the government’s free tax-payer funded anti-smoking treatment programme?

      • James 1.2.1

        I believe that everyone should. Stopping smoking is good for people health. Not to mention the $$$ they save at the end of the week for other things.

        • Mary 1.2.1.1

          But according to you smoking is a choice so why should the tax payer foot the bill for beneficiaries whose sole source of income is a social welfare benefit?

    • framu 1.3

      “Amazing how many luxury’s like sky you see in lower socioeconomic areas.”

      how do you know that james? I hope your not going by the number of dishes you see – you know, the ones sky leave installed whether the resident has a sky account or not

      Im amazed that people are still pulling that particular piece of bullshit out of their arses.

      • James 1.3.1

        Its hard to qualify the exact number – and obv there will be cases as you mention. But you will also have to concede (without looking stupid) that there are a lot of people that still do have sky.

        So its not bullshit.

        • framu 1.3.1.1

          no its bullshit because it proves nothing.

          the topic is stats isnt it? – so unprovable generalised anecdotal assumtpion doesnt cut it

          theres lots of people who have sky – yes of course there is – but you didnt actually make any such argument. Your argument is “well i see lots of sky dishes so therefore they just cant be that poor”

        • Macro 1.3.1.2

          If I wanted to I could easily afford sky or freeview – but as it’s all crap I choose to have neither. I have recently purchased a house (unencumbered) with dishes and inputs for all manner of signals. As framu says – its a load of bullshit you spout…

          Furthermore its about time you got out and about, and actually started looking seriously into some of these issues regarding poverty that people go on about here – many of them are obviously speaking from direct knowledge of the subject. Having myself worked in support services for a number of years, I know that what these statistics say are the truth, and NO you don’t find sky in these homes, many don’t even have a home to go to! Garages and someones couch are about all they can aspire to.

          As for the accusation that they should give up smoking – well you are a pernicious little bugger aren’t you. Most are addicted from their parents before they can even talk.. You have heard of 2nd hand smoke haven’t you? So what chance do they have.. And its not always easy to deal with an addiction when you have other more basic needs to attend to, such as finding food and shelter.

          I don’t know how old you are, but it would seem that you live in a NZ of the past when the economic pie was distributed a lot more equitably than it is today. That world disappeared with the neoliberal ideology of Douglas and Richardson and equality in NZ has been steadily deteriorating ever since.

        • Murray Olsen 1.3.1.3

          People called James with their heads stuck up their anal orifices should not be allowed to join adult discussions. It’s hard to quantify (note) the exact number, but obviously it’s too high. I do not have to concede anything to them, because to do so would be stupid.

          Hint: in a thread about statistics, actual researched numbers are good. Anecdotal prejudices are bad. Please go back to WhaleSpew. They’ll think you’re a hero and you might even win promotion to lance corporal in the Blubber army.

        • Molly 1.3.1.4

          ..you also make the arrogant assumption that everyone in the area you drive through (counting Sky dishes) is a beneficiary – and a smoker to boot.

          And don’t start talking about state housing, many currently well-off Kiwis running small limited companies were eligible for state housing and bought the same during their last National sell-off.

    • bad12 1.4

      Aw how bout the one where you have seen lots of ‘them’ eating out at K-fried, face it you wad, you have never had anything to do with a beneficiary let alone lots of them to justify ‘knowing’ that lots of ‘them’ have Sky,

      Your pathetic little snivel doesn’t really deserve the dignity of any reply other than one that takes the piss out of you…

    • Mike S 1.5

      So you go into lower socioeconomic areas and enter peoples houses to see if they’ve got sky do you? (Just because there’s a dish on the roof doesn’t mean they have sky). We have a dish on our roof but can’t afford (and don’t want) sky.

      No you don’t, you’re just making shit up based upon how you think things are rather than how they actually are.

      Further, you’re assuming that all these people you’ve seen with sky are part of the 15% mentioned in the article.

      at least have a think about things before posting such bollocks.

    • Bearded Git 1.6

      “Amazing how many luxury’s like sky you see in lower socioeconomic areas.”

      to go with their bread and water James? Or maybe bread is a little luxury?

  2. Tiger Mountain 2

    Some areas like the Far North have been down so long due to lack of regional development that locals barely notice recessions and hard times. Life is adjusted to subsistence levels, hunter gathering etc. Local transfer stations referred to as “Mitre 9”, people go to acquire stuff as much as drop off trash.

    The small percentage doing ok live in denial often on stolen land or profiting off it. Some posters here do not have clue number one about what life is like for people living on under $20,000 per year. And don’t start me on beneficiaries who ‘exist’ on way less.

    This country would descend into a Greece/Portugal/Zimbabwe nightmare very quickly if it were not for the Aussie soakhole and to some extent kiwi fortitude. Kids that don’t leave home, living in rellies garages, getting less hours than you really need at work, all these coping behaviours bury the real unemployment levels. Beggars are actually appearing on Auckland streets these days in increasing numbers and some of them are not homeless either. Face it–if you are a ShonKey voter, and tell me if I am wrong, but most Standard readers and commenters would vote, then you need to own this shit not blame the poor folks.

  3. aerobubble 3

    Stats do matter when spin is now so ubiquitous. Just wait until they are sniffing through the stream of information from five eyes…

    That we get a much more spun version is no surprised given how well rotated the politic scene is cleansed and controlled. Take Campbell Live, why did Campbell never press Key on the real issue why doesn’t he trust parliament to come up with a wide cross floor consensus especially when Key keeps drumming home how Clark did little different…

    …the politics is clear, Key needs to rush the legislation in, because he doesn’t want to stand next to Shearer at a press conference. And damn it if Key cares that its well written or not, or exposes NZ to even more ridicule when its legislator falls flat on its face yet again, Key will be retired in Hawaii.

    There are serious concerns to business from this legislation, that those up stream with full access will collate and aggravate the data to pick winners in the economy. Remember 9/11 where a fiscal derivative position was taken that would have seen a windfall flow had it been paid out, seemingly predicting the 9/11 attack. Its not just civil liberty that we should worry about, its the shear economic power it will give a few.

    It wasn’t always this way, MSM and the internet make it much easier to smear an issue out of any relevance, and find a PM whose ability to saying nothing is world beating. He even manage to congratulate ACC when commenting on their new blunder. What was a ACC employee doing with bank account details when the individuals themselves would not carry their own data around so recklessly.

  4. Takere 4

    It’s pretty clear …. with the number of big employers laying off staff recently, Rio Tinto(given a bailout of $334m) Solid energy ect ….. approximately 237 people lose their jobs every week since Jan 1st 2013. Keys finally achieved his objective of bringing the country to its knees and is readying the country for the ultimate quick fire sale! He and Joyce have continuously promised us that there’s new jobs created to replace the jobs lost however miners in southland can retrain to be teachers in the booming education sector in southland?? People in cities can move to rural area’s to work on farms, youth can become multi-skilled and have a number of casual jobs, highly trained/educated people can move to another country to have a career of their choice. All industries are dying a slow death and the impact of the global slowdown is having a major impact now that the Nat’s have run the country out of new trading partners and is in the process of isolating NZ Inc even more by not investing in manufacturing and the productive sector(s). With the Fonterra F#@k up, we’re dead in the water as the US have been eying up that Asian dairy market for sometime and now have an opportunity to jump in through the backdoor to China? The GDP figures don’t reflect the health of NZ Inc & Industry, it reflects the velocity of money, good or bad. The bump that everybody has been talking about that they said Key/Joyce/Blinglish were manufacturing, is here!! Hang on tight because its gunna be ugly! Pullah Benefit ugly …….

  5. bad12 5

    Yes your stats, 15% who are not coping financially and 33% who are but 1 disaster away from the edge shows the Slippery little shysters cynical tax switch for what it was,

    48% condemned to do the hard years while the upper 52% via a carefully planned cynical slicing and dicing of the income brackets via the tax switch do it in relative comfort,

    As an election tool you have to hand it to the Slippery little prick, it’s worked wonders…

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    5 days ago
  • 10 percent budget cut at Lincoln
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    5 days ago
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    5 days ago
  • Perspective
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  • Perspective
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    5 days ago

  • Disability sector is in a ‘slow burning crisis’
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    13 hours ago
  • NZ fisheries depend on the environment – they should protect it
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    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    13 hours ago
  • Bigger is not always better with local government reform
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    GreensBy Jan Logie
    14 hours ago
  • Labour calls for state of emergency on homelessness
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    2 days ago
  • Labour calls for state of emergency on homelessness
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    2 days ago
  • Government must review state sector retirement investment
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    3 days ago
  • Councils shouldn’t rush into Easter Trading
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    3 days ago
  • Minister can’t wash hands of illegal KiwiSaver investments
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  • Fixing our broken economy
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    GreensBy Julie Anne Genter
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    GreensBy Julie Anne Genter
    4 days ago
  • Government railroading Maori Land Bill through
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    4 days ago
  • A national day to commemorate NZ land wars
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    4 days ago
  • A national day to commemorate NZ land wars
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    GreensBy Marama Davidson
    4 days ago
  • Government turns a blind eye to struggling sole parents
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    4 days ago
  • Time has come for state apology on abuse
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    4 days ago
  • It’s OK to have a few slaves, just not too many? Minimum wage loophole hasn’t gone away
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    4 days ago
  • Lessons from the Future of Work Commission: Building Wealth from the Ground Up
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    4 days ago
  • Cooking 4 Change at the Auckland City Mission
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    GreensBy James Shaw
    5 days ago
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    GreensBy James Shaw
    5 days ago
  • Backbencher Matt’s Bill is a Doocey
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    5 days ago
  • Gun laws creaking under the strain
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    5 days ago
  • Most homeless are working poor – Otago Uni
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    5 days ago
  • Māori seats entrenched by Tirikatene Bill
    National and the Māori Party need to support my member’s Bill which is designed to entrench the Māori electorate seats in Parliament, Labour’s Te Tai Tonga MP Rino Tirikatene says. “Under the Electoral Act the provisions establishing the general electorates ...
    5 days ago
  • Trade dumping bill could hurt NZ industries
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    GreensBy Mojo Mathers
    6 days ago
  • Just 8 per cent of work visas for skills shortages
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    6 days ago
  • Hard won agreement shouldn’t be thrown away
    The Government should ignore talk across the Tasman about doing away with the labelling of GM free products, says Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King. “Labelling of genetically modified products was a hard won agreement in 2001 by Australian and the ...
    6 days ago
  • National’s privatisation Trojan horse
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    6 days ago
  • Shameless land-banking ads show need for crackdown
    The fact that more than 300 sections are shamelessly being advertised on Trade Me as land-banking opportunities during a housing crisis shows the need for a crackdown on property speculators, Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little says. “Of the 328 ...
    6 days ago
  • Standard and Poor’s warning of housing crisis impact on banks
    The National Government’s failure to address the housing crisis is leading to dire warnings from ratings agency Standard and Poor’s about the impact on the strength of the economy and New Zealand banks, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Standard ...
    6 days ago
  • Ihumatao needs action not sympathy
    The Petition of Save Our Unique Landscape (SOUL) calling on Parliament to revoke Special Housing Area 62 in order to protect the Ihumatao Peninsula and Stonefields, has fallen on deaf ears, says the Labour MP for Mangere Su’a William Sio.  ...
    6 days ago
  • Another delay to justice system reform for victims of sexual violence
    I believe most, if not all, New Zealanders would expect our court system to uphold the dignity of complainants, hold perpetrators to account for crimes including sexual and domestic violence and uphold the crucial right to a fair trial. Yet ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    6 days ago
  • Another delay to justice system reform for victims of sexual violence
    I believe most, if not all, New Zealanders would expect our court system to uphold the dignity of complainants, hold perpetrators to account for crimes including sexual and domestic violence and uphold the crucial right to a fair trial. Yet ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    6 days ago
  • Student visa fraud & exploitation must stop
    The Government must act immediately to end fraud and exploitation of international students that threatens to damage New Zealand’s reputation, Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little says. ...
    6 days ago
  • Government needs to show leadership in reviewing monetary policy
    The Reserve Bank’s struggles to meet its inflation target, the rising exchange rate and the continued housing crisis shows current monetary policy needs to be reviewed - with amendments to the policy targets agreement a bare minimum, says Labour’s Finance ...
    7 days ago
  • Local democracy under threat
    The National Government is in the process of gutting our local democracy through it’s Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2). We’ve been hearing submissions from councils, and a few community members, all around the country who are deeply ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    7 days ago
  • Local democracy under threat
    The National Government is in the process of gutting our local democracy through it’s Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2). We’ve been hearing submissions from councils, and a few community members, all around the country who are deeply ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    7 days ago
  • Slash and burn of special education support
    Slashing the support for school age children with special needs is no way to fund earlier intervention, Labour’s Education Spokesperson Chris Hipkins says.  “National’s latest plan to slash funding for children with special needs over the age of 7 in ...
    1 week ago
  • National’s Pasifika MPs must have free vote
      Pacific people will not take kindly to the Government whipping their Pacific MPs to vote in favour of a  Bill that will allow Sunday trading  at Easter, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “We are seeing ...
    1 week ago
  • Maritime Crimes Bill – balancing security and free speech
    Parliament is currently considering the Maritime Crimes Amendment Bill, which would bring New Zealand up to date with current international rules about maritime security. The debate around the Bill reflects two valid issues: legitimate counter-terrorism measures and the right to ...
    GreensBy Kennedy Graham
    2 weeks ago
  • Rio Olympics captioning – setting the record straight
    In the House on Thursday, my colleague, Labour Party spokesperson on Disability Issues, Poto Williams asked a great question. After which the Minister, Nicky Wagner, stood up and finally publicly acknowledged the National Foundation for the Deaf for funding the ...
    GreensBy Mojo Mathers
    2 weeks ago
  • Rio Olympics captioning – setting the record straight
    In the House on Thursday, my colleague, Labour Party spokesperson on Disability Issues, Poto Williams asked a great question. After which the Minister, Nicky Wagner, stood up and finally publicly acknowledged the National Foundation for the Deaf for funding the ...
    GreensBy Mojo Mathers
    2 weeks ago
  • Teachers’ low wages at the centre of shortages
      Figures that show teachers’ wages have grown the slowest of all occupations is at the heart of the current teacher shortage, says Labour’s Education Spokesperson Chris Hipkins.  In the latest Labour Cost Index, education professionals saw their wages grow ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government’s Tax Law undermines common law principles
    A tax amendment being snuck in under the radar allows changes to tax issues to be driven through by the Government without Parliamentary scrutiny, says Labour’s Revenue spokesman Stuart Nash. “The amendment allows any part of the Tax Administration Act ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government slippery about caption funding
      The Government has refused to apologise for taking the credit for funding Olympic Games captioning when the National Foundation for the Deaf  was responsible, says Labour’s spokesperson on Disability Issues Poto Williams.  “This shameful act of grandstanding by Ministers ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Default KiwiSaver investments should be reviewed
    The investments of the default KiwiSaver providers should be reviewed to make sure they are in line with New Zealanders’ values and expectations, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Most New Zealanders would be appalled that their KiwiSaver funds are ...
    2 weeks ago
  • New ministry should look after all children
    The Government has today shunned well founded pleas by experts not to call its new agency the Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Labour’s Spokesperson for Children Jacinda Ardern says.  “Well respected organisations and individuals such as Children's Commissioner Judge Andrew Becroft ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Triclosan – nasty chemical will be reassessed
    Last week my campaign for this chemical to be reassessed by the Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) took another step forward. After many months of waiting, the EPA have agreed that triclosan needs to be reassessed. Triclosan is an ingredient in many ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    2 weeks ago
  • Triclosan – nasty chemical will be reassessed
    Last week my campaign for this chemical to be reassessed by the Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) took another step forward. After many months of waiting, the EPA have agreed that triclosan needs to be reassessed. Triclosan is an ingredient in many ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    2 weeks ago
  • Ratification okay but we need action
    Today’s decision to ratify the Paris agreement on Climate Change by the end of the year is all well and good but where is the plan, says Labour’s Climate Change spokesperson Megan Woods.  “The Government’s failure to plan is planning ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Stats changes can’t hide unemployment reality
    Today’s minor drop in unemployment numbers is nothing to celebrate given the changes made to the official numbers that cut thousands of people looking for work out of the jobless rate, says Labour’s Employment spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Making any comparisons ...
    2 weeks ago

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