Still an honest man?

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BLip has been maintaining for quite a while, a little list of Honest John’s statements that aren’t exactly true. One iteration of this list “An Honest Man” is still one of the most popular posts here with many page views on a daily basis – more than a year after it was posted. Looks like someone has made a video of a few of the times when some of these were made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFUHAuwEe_Q

hat tip: Frankly Speaking

The most recent update on The Standard of BLip’s list on John Key was from the 15th of May this year. We fear that it may be substantially out of date. However …

Well, interesting you should mention that, I just happen to have it open . . .

  1. I promise to always be honest
  2. we are not going to sack public servants, the attrition rate will reduce costs
  3. there’s no way one in five New Zealanders will lose their jobs
  4. we are not going to cut working for families
  5. I firmly believe in climate change and always have
  6. We seek a 50% reduction in New Zealand’s carbon-equivalent net emissions, as compared to 1990 levels, by 2050. 50 by 50. We will write the target into law.
  7. National Ltd™ will provide a consistent incentive for both biofuel and biodiesel by exempting them from excise tax or road user charges
  8. I didn’t know about The Bretheren election tactics
  9. If they came to us now with that proposal [re trans-Tasman Therapeutic Goods regime], we will sign it
  10. I can’t remember my position on the 1981 Springbok Tour
  11. Tranzrail shares
  12. I did not mislead the House (1)
  13. Lord Ashcroft
  14. National Ltd™ would not have sent troops into Iraq
  15. Standard & Poors credit downgrade
  16. the double-down grade doesn’t really matter and its only about private sector debt
  17. I did not mislead the House (2)
  18. I didn’t say I want wages to drop
  19. I can’t remember why I voted against increasing the minimum wage
  20. lifting the minimum wage to $15 an hour will increase unemployment
  21. the real rate of inflation is 3.3 percent.
  22. the tourism sector has not lost 7,000 jobs
  23. no I have never heard of Whitechapel
  24. I won’t raise GST
  25. people who are on the average wage and have a child are $48 a week better off after the rise in GST
  26. the purchase of farmland, by overseas buyers will be limited to ten farms per purchase
  27. the Pike River Mine was consented to under a Labour Government
  28. no promises were made to get the remains of the miners out of the Pike River mine
  29. I did not provide a view on the safety of the Pike River coalmine
  30. I did not mislead the House (3)
  31. capping, not cutting the public service
  32. raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour will cost 6000 jobs
  33. north of $50 a week
  34. privatisation won’t significantly help the economy
  35. wave goodbye to higher taxes, not your loved ones
  36. I never offered Brash a diplomatic job in London
  37. Tariana Turia is “totally fine” with the Tuhoe Treaty Claim deal
  38. Kiwisaver
  39. National Ltd™ is not going to radically reorganise the structure of the public sector
  40. tax cuts won’t require additional borrowing
  41. New Zealand does not have a debt problem
  42. New Zealand troops in Afghanistan will only be involved in training, not fighting
  43. the wage gap between New Zealand and Australia has closed under my National Ltd™ government
  44. It took 9 years for Labour to make a complete and utter mess of the economy
  45. National Ltd™ has changed the Overseas Investment Act to include 19 different criteria
  46. the price of goods and services has risen by 6 percent since the last election, while the after-tax average wage has actually gone up by 16 percent
  47. no, although its a week ago and here I am being interviewed on television about them, I havn’t seen Gerry Brownlee’s comments regarding demolitions in Christchurch and which caused such outrage, but I can talk all about them
  48. our SAS soldiers were not involved in the Kabul Hotel gunfight
  49. the use of the Vela brother’s helicopter was required so I could attend meetings relating to national/international security concerns
  50. the DPS makes the decision about accompanying the Prime Minister or not, I had no choice but to take them on holiday to Hawaii
  51. I did not mislead the House (4)
  52. oh, maybe our SAS soldiers were in the Kabul hotel gun fight but they weren’t wounded by friendly fire
  53. New Zealand has lost $12 billion from GDP due to the Christchurch earthquake . . . oh, it might actually be around $15 billion from GDP due to the Christchurch earthquake . . . Blinglish said what?
  54. 10,000 houses will have to be demolished in Christchurch due to the earthquake
  55. 14,000 new apprentices will start training over the next five years, over and above the number previously forecast
  56. our amendments to the ETS ensure we will continue to do our fair share internationally
  57. we are committed to honouring our Kyoto Protocol obligations
  58. any changes to the ETS will be fiscally neutral
  59. New Zealand has grown for eight of the last nine quarters”
  60. National Ltd™ will tender out the government banking contract
  61. we will be back in surplus by 2014-15
  62. Nicky Hager’s book “Other People’s Wars” is a work of fiction
  63. unemployment is starting to fall
  64. we have created 60,000 jobs
  65. we have created 45,000 jobs
  66. the 2011 Budget will create in the order of 170,000 jobs
  67. I don’t know if I own a vineyard
  68. no, I did not mislead the House (5)
  69. the Isreali spy killed in the Christchurch quake had “only one” passport
  70. the Police will not need to make savings by losing jobs
  71. I voted to keep the drinking age at 20
  72. New Zealand is 100% Pure
  73. I’ve been prime minister for four years, and it’s really 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year
  74. baseball in New Zealand is attracting more government support
  75. the decision to buy brand new BMWs was made by the Department of Internal Affairs without reference either to their minister or to me
  76. I didn’t have a clue that Ministerial Services, which I am in charge of, was going to buy brand new BMWs
  77. even though four of my ministers knew all about it, I didn’t have a clue that brand new BMWs were being bought.
  78. even though my Chief of Staff met with officials to discuss purchase of the the brand new BMWs, I didn’t have a clue
  79. even though I personally signed papers discussing the matter, I still didn’t have a clue
  80. Labour forced us into buying the brand new BMWs, its their fault
  81. ummm, look, sorry about that BMW thing , it was because I was so upset
  82. I did not describe David Beckam as thick as batshit
  83. I did not mislead the House (6)
  84. the public demanded that we change the labour laws for The Hobbit
  85. “The Hobbit” created 3000 new jobs
  86. we have delivered 800 extra doctors in the public service
  87. I did not mislead the House (7)
  88. I wasn’t working at Elders when the sham foreign exchange deals took place
  89. I was starting School Certificate exams in 1978
  90. I don’t know who arrived on the CIA jet to visit the spies I am responsible for
  91. reducing barriers to property developers will increase the availability of affordable housing
  92. Labour left the economy in poor shape
  93. forecasts show unemployment will fall
  94. we have closed the wage gap with Australia by $27
  95. Ngati Porou and Whanau Apanui are not opposed to mining
  96. I have not had any meetings with Media Works
  97. our [NZ’s] terms of trade remain high
  98. the TPPA is an example of democracy
  99. the TPPA will still have to be ratified by Parliament
  100. National Ltd™ will use the proceeds of state asset sales to invest in other public assets, like schools and hospitals
  101. New Zealand troops will be out of Afghanistan by April 2013
  102. overseas investment in New Zealand adds to what New Zealanders can invest on their own
  103. overseas investment in New Zealand creates jobs, boosts incomes, and helps the economy grow
  104. National Ltd™ will build 2000 houses over the next two years
  105. there are only 4 New Zealand SAS soldiers in Bamiyan and all working in the area of logistics and planning only
  106. selling state assets will give cash equity to those companies
  107. the Sky City deal will provide 1000 construction jobs and 800 casino jobs
  108. all five bidders for the convention centre were treated equally
  109. my office has had no correspondence, no discussions, no involvement with the Sky City deal
  110. I did not mislead the House (8)
  111. I can’t remember what was discussed at my meeting with the SkyCity Chief Executive on 14 May 2009
  112. I have no record of the 12 November 2009 email from Treasury advising that the SkyCity deal was dodgy and needed to be referred to the Auditor General
  113. there was nothing improper about the Sky City deal
  114. SkyCity will only get “a few more” pokie machines at the margins
  115. any changes to gambling regulations will be subject to a full public submission process
  116. Sky City has approached TVNZ about the purchase/use of government-owned land
  117. I did not mislead the House (9)
  118. this government has been very transparent about all its dealings with SkyCity
  119. I did not mislead the House (10)
  120. the Auditor General has fully vindicated National over the Sky City deal
  121. I did not mislead the House (11)
  122. the Deputy Auditor General supports the view that there was nothing inappropriate about the Sky City deal
  123. I did not mislead the House (12)
  124. I did not breach the confidentiality of the Auditor General’s Report into the Sky City deal
  125. the Labour Government did exactly the same sort of deal back in 2001
  126. Labour has promised to not revoke the Sky City legislation
  127. there’s a 50/50 chance the Hobbit is going off shore unless we do something
  128. David Shearer has signed up for the purchase of shares in Mighty River
  129. Solid Energy asked the government for a $1 billion capital investment
  130. fracking has been going safely on in Taranaki for the past 30 years without any issues
  131. no frontline positions will be lost at DOC
  132. Iain Rennie came to me and recommended Fletcher for the GCSB job
  133. I told Cabinet that I knew Ian Fletcher
  134. I forgot that after I scrapped the shortlist for GCSB job I phoned a life-long friend to tell him to apply for the position
  135. I told Iain Rennie I would contact Fletcher
  136. I haven’t seen Ian Fletcher in a long time.
  137. I did not mislead the House (13)
  138. I have no reason to doubt at this stage that Peter Dunne did not leak the GCSB report
  139. I called directory service to get Ian Fletcher’s number
  140. the new legislation narrows the scope of the GCSB
  141. the GCSB has been prevented from carrying out its functions because of the law governing its functions
  142. because the opposition is opposed the GCSB law ammendments, parliamentary urgency is required
  143. the increasing number of cyber intrusions which I can’t detail or discuss prove that the GCSB laws need to be extended to protect prive enterprise
  144. it was always the intent of the GCSB Act to be able to spy on New Zealanders on behalf of the SIS and police
  145. National Ltd™ is not explanding the activities of the GCSB with this new law
  146. cyber terrorists have attempted to gain access to information about weapons of mass destructionheld on New Zealand computers
  147. the law which says the GCSB cannot spy on New Zealanders is not clear
  148. it totally incorrect that the Government effectively through GCSB will be able to wholesale spy on New Zealanders
  149. we self identified that there was a problem with the GCSB spying on Kim Dotcom
  150. the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was an isolated incident
  151. The advice I have had in 4 years as a Minister is that in no way ever has there been an indication of unlawful spying
  152. the Ministerial Warrant signed by Bill English did not cover anything up
  153. first I heard I heard about Kim Dotcom was on 19 January 2012
  154. first I heard about the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was in 17 September
  155. I did not mislead the House (14)
  156. I won’t be discussing Kim Dotcom during my Hollywood visit.
  157. The Human Rights Commission couldn’t get its submission on the GCSB legislation in on time.
  158. it would cost too much to for the police and SIS to carry out the spying on New Zealanders that this new legislation will permit
  159. critics of the GCSB legislation, including the Law Society, the Human Rights Commission, and the Privacy Commission, are all uninformed
  160. no, I did not mislead the House (15)
  161. I do not know how Mr Henry is conducting the Enquiry
  162. no, I did not mislead the House (16)
  163. the Henry Enquiry had permission to view Ministers’ emails
  164. no, I did not mislead the House (??)
  165. we do not spy on journalists
  166. the passing of phone records to the Henry Enquiry was an error on the part of a contractor
  167. I wasn’t aware that my own Chief of Staff was instructing Parliamentary Services to hand over information concerning journalist Andrea Vance
  168. National Ltd™ has never tried to impinge on the role of the media
  169. I had nothing to do with information on a journalist being handed over to the inquiry into the leaking of the GCSB report
  170. the terms of the enquiry made it clear to everyone that it was only the phone records of parliamentary staff and ministers that were to be provided
  171. I have the utmost respect for the media and the role it plays in New Zealand’s democracy
  172. the Henry Enquiry did not access a journalist’s building-access records
  173. the Henry Enquiry did not ask for phone and email records
  174. no, I did not mislead the House (17)
  175. the Greens are opposed to the GCSB and the SIS even existing
  176. the GCSB needs to spy on New Zealanders because there are al-Qaeda terrorists in New Zealand
  177. John Minto is in the Green Party
  178. the GCSB needs to spy on New Zealanders because of the terrorist threat, even though official reports released over my signature say there is no risk and the SIS has the matter in hand
  179. the GCSB Bill does not give the GCSB the power to look at the content of communications as part of its cyber-security functions
  180. no, I did not mislead the House (18)
  181. there will be no mining on Conservation land in the Corromendel
  182. no, I did not say we would follow the US and Australia into a war against North Korea
  183. New Zealand has an arrangement to have asylum seekers processed in Australian detention camps
  184. I did not mislead the house (19)
  185. I paid for that lunch and I’ve got the credit card bill to prove it
  186. I am honest and upfront
  187. the only way net new jobs can be created is by private investors putting their money into businesses in New Zealand
  188. you can’t hide if yuu’re Prime Minister
  189. an increase in the number of people looking for work indicates that confidence is returning to the economy
  190. the 10 percent of taxpayers in New Zealand who are the top earners pay 76 percent of all net personal tax.
  191. I did not mislead the House (20)
  192. the substantial wage growth under Labour was eroded by inflation
  193. National Ltd™’s 2010 tax changes were fiscally neutral
  194. I did not mislead the House (21)
  195. the bulk of New Zealanders earn between $45,000 and $75,000 a year
  196. Pike River Coal did not put profits and its production ahead of the safety and lives of those 29 workers.
  197. Radio Live had sought advice from the Electoral Commission about my show just before the election
  198. it is because of National Ltd™’s policies that the price of fresh fruit and vegetables has dropped.
  199. the length-of-the-country cycleway will create 4000 jobs.
  200. police training for next year has not been cancelled
  201. National Ltd™ has only cut back-office jobs in the health service
  202. The Crown’s dividend stream from the Meridians, the Mighty Rivers of the world is large and there is no motivation to sell assets; actually we’re about creating assets not selling assets.”
  203. National believes employment law should treat all parties fairly. It should . . . Protect employees and employers.
  204. I am not trying to tackle such issues in a “fearful” way ahead of the next election
  205. Wellington City is dying.
  206. National Ltd™ has been working on a number of things with New Zealand First on a number of things one of which has a financial component but I can’t talk about it
  207. the best way to get growth in the economy is to reduce public debt
  208. New Zealand mum and dad investors will be our number one priority in the allocation of Mighty River shares
  209. we won’t let “cowboy” oil exploration companies operate here in New Zealand
  210. the Green Party is racist by not allowing Chinese residents in New Zealand to buy a house
  211. the Labour Party is promising a four-bedroom house in Auckland for $300,000
  212. the food in schools programme is in the 2013 budget
  213. the meat exports are being held up in China because of issues in relation to the Chinese looking to trace counterfeit meat
  214. its notoriously difficult to win three elections in a row
  215. I am deeply concerned about every child in New Zealand who is in poverty
  216. there is no manufacturing crisis in New Zealand
  217. the government’s exposure to MediaWorks’ going into receivership is reasonably limited
  218. the money from the sale of state assets will not be used to prop up Solid Energy
  219. I don’t see a place for a Winston Peters-led New Zealand First in a government that I lead. It’s not a matter of political convenience, it’s a matter of political principle.
  220. The vast majority of the buildings in Christchurch came through the earthquakes in good shape
  221. the commemoration of New Zealand’s involvement in the Korean War will not be used to bolster trade talks
  222. third generation Chinese New Zealanders will be required to present their passport before buying a house under the Labour government
  223. the Labour housing policy is an attempt by David Shearer to save his leadership
  224. the Labour housing policy is in breach of free trade agreements
  225. only 2% of the proceeds of the sale of Mighty River will be spent on the sales process
  226. David Cunliffe is lying to you
  227. Labour wants to nationalise the super market industry
  228. The government will engage in no further negotiations with Rio Tinto
  229. Without a government subsidy of hundreds of millions of dollars Chorus will go broke
  230. No, I did not mislead the House (??)
  231. the justice system is already adequate for handling situations involving new evidence
  232. my Minister Nick Smith was not aware of the content of the leaked draft submission on the Ruataniwha situation until 17 September
  233. New Zealand First will nationalise a host of industries and businesses
  234. I have no responsibility for the statements I make
  235. Mark Mitchell was just gossiping at a cocktail party when he tipped Webster off about Len Brown’s affair
  236. it was a lack of external analysis and accountability which put Solid Energy into its debt crisis
  237. the Commerce Commission misinterpreted the law when deciding the price for access to the Chorus copper infrastructure
  238. no analyist predicted that the cost of access to the copper infrastructure would go down
  239. there has been only one problem with oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
  240. If it was my vote, it would be no pay increases for Mps
  241. Greenpeace are just scare mongering about any oil leaks off the New Zealand coast
  242. For every election for the last five elections , we have had royal visitors to New Zealand.
  243. No decision has been made on the timing of the sale of Air New Zealand shares
  244. its not true that in New Zealand the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer
  245. This summer is the most active season ever for oil and gas exploration, with the industry spending up to $750 million. At the same time, the Government is strengthening the regulationsthat govern drilling, particularly in deep water.
  246. Labour is trying to mislead people about eligibility for Best Start because they don’t get the payment while they also get paid parental leave.
  247. A mountain of evidence shows that the quality of teaching – inside the classroom – is the biggest influence on kids’ achievement
  248. Governor General Jerry Mateparae has been jostled while walking onto Te Tii Marae at Waitangi .
  249. Cameron Slater, who I speak to regularly and who told me about Winston meeting Kim Dot Com, has got absolutely nothing to do with the National Party.
  250. Cameron Slater rang me
  251. What I do know is that when this Government came in, there were predictions that unemployment would rise to over 10 percent.
  252. The Cabinet Office had cleared Judith Collins of a conflict of interest
  253. The golf tournament in which I played the chairman of Oravida was for charity.
  254. The Cabinet Office has cleared Collins of a conflict of interest after it translated comments on Oravida’s website which stated that she had praised its products
  255. My Justice Minister, Judith Collins, didn’t lie to Parliament, she just didn’t understand the question.
  256. The [MFAT] paperwork shows right through this that not only did the Minister have a very busy programme, all on judicial and justice issues, but, secondly, all the way through it talks about a private dinner.
  257. No, I did not mislead parliament. (??)
  258. No, I did not mislead the House(??)
  259. The Unions decide the leadership of the Labour Party and picked David Cunliffe
  260. Unions give the Labour Party millions of dollars a year
  261. The economic mess inherited by the Abbott government in Australia can be likened to the economic mess inherited by National Ltd™ when it came into office in 2008.
  262. National Ltd™ inherited an economic mess from Labour
  263. National Ltd™ inherited an economic mess from Labour in 2008
  264. No, I did not mislead the House(??)

. . . don’t like to clutter up threads with the whole thing in case I interrupt the flow . . . but since you asked.

31 comments on “Still an honest man? ”

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  1. fender 1
    26 May 2014 at 10:59 am

    It’s a little unfortunate that the first item on the video turned out to have some truth to it when it was revealed a kiwi got taken out by drone in Yemen.

    But the rest is just an awesome reason to have the creep “govern alone”/sarc

  2. greywarbler 2
    26 May 2014 at 11:31 am

    Wikipedia should have a page for Blip the Chronicler. Perhaps we need to photocopy A4 portions of the lists. And start letter boxing just one page at a time within a grid pattern for the area being covered. I need to walk, to lose weight, and I think I might just do this for beneficial effects all round, or less round as will likely happen.

    And another thought – at the top it could say that the full list and other important political discussion can be seen on -line at The Standard.
    So getting two points over even if there is just a quick glance.

    A heading of – Why John Key is bad for New Zealand and is driving NZ into the ground and confusing people about the truth.

    I would very much like to read what heading other people would put on each page to explain them in a short way, but also compelling so that people will read them at least briefly. So if you could put your heads to it I would be grateful.

    • Tracey 2.1
      26 May 2014 at 11:36 am

      the links are what makes offline dispersion more difficult.

      Each statement with a date needs a second statement with a date…

      Would still contribute to a poster campaign… A new tui type billboard campaign… A lie a day exposed to the election.

      • greywarbler 2.1.1
        26 May 2014 at 12:25 pm

        Yep Tracy, I would donate also. That was being talked about.

        But the A4 letterbox delivery would still work out. Just put at the top that to access the links for any of Key’s lies, go to The Standard Archives and look for Blip – will take a minute of your time.

        The actual answer isn’t the only advantage from them reading that, even if they never searched for it, the thought that there is a lie has penetrated to their brain.

        Alternatively there could be a few items fully printed – the statement and the truth and just those few on a sheet distributed and they would act as a teaser with the instruction that there are more of these to be seen —as above.

        And what heading did you suggest for the sheet? None. Just a critique and another suggestion. Which is a great way of stepping on ideas, and just one of the carbon footprints of NZs that we have to guard against if we are going to go forward as a nation. Can we change, or have we been Pavlova’ed?

        • Tracey 2.1.1.1
          26 May 2014 at 1:49 pm

          Thats the way grey. I didnt do what you want so you tossed your toys out of thecot. Boo fucking hoo.

          • greywarbler 2.1.1.1.1
            26 May 2014 at 3:09 pm

            Very adult intelligent approach Tracey. You let yourself down. What about helping me out as I asked. And what do you think of what I suggested.

            • Tracey 2.1.1.1.1.1
              26 May 2014 at 3:23 pm

              when did you become my father?

              i told you what i thought and you went all passive aggressive.

              You work on what interests you and so will i. Sometimes they might be the same sometimes not.

  3. seeker 3
    26 May 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Here is video evidence of key lying for BLip’s archives. It’s the one place I remember him being caught out (as key is using cricket analogies in the Herald today) and recorded on film

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics-videos/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503464&gal_cid=1503464&gallery_id=131968

    Feel sorry for BM et al seeing their ‘popular’ hero, the ‘Most Honourable’ john key in action. Who on earth in their right mind would want a liar as leader of their party let alone their country? And as for the ‘Honourable’ Minister of Justice…… Back to the drawing board National…….too many obfuscaters in your ranks. Rank ranks National, clean your house.

    • Tracey 3.1
      26 May 2014 at 3:25 pm

      they dont care. Winning is more important to them, than whether they are being lied to.

      Perhaps if we keep poking the borax one of them might refute, say, a quater of blips list?

    • vto 3.2
      27 May 2014 at 12:26 am

      they stink of lying rats

      liar john key

  4. AmaKiwi 4
    26 May 2014 at 2:25 pm

    I spoke to a well-educated Kiwi who told me what he likes about Key is that he was so open and honest!

    Can video this be used as a campaign advert?

    • Tracey 4.1
      26 May 2014 at 3:27 pm

      reflected in north and south article too.

    • Frank Macskasy 4.2
      26 May 2014 at 11:53 pm

      I spoke to a well-educated Kiwi who told me what he likes about Key is that he was so open and honest!

      coughsprays tea over monitor & keyboardcough

      • Colonial Viper 4.2.1
        27 May 2014 at 1:05 am

        “a well-educated Kiwi”

        problem is that we have way too many people who are well versed and fully certified in what to think but who have absolutely no idea how to think.

    • Roy 4.3
      27 May 2014 at 10:56 am

      This list definitely needs more publicity. Too many people think like the person AmaKiwi spoke with.

  5. captain hook 5
    26 May 2014 at 3:44 pm

    he still has not explained where he got $80,000,000 from either.

  6. fisiani 6
    27 May 2014 at 9:45 am

    The video states that New Zealanders are training with terrorists in Yemen. Hey presto -turns out he was telling the truth.

    • Tracey 6.1
      27 May 2014 at 9:51 am

      1 to the pm. over 200 to blip

      thanks fizzi

    • lprent 6.2
      27 May 2014 at 10:32 am

      And your evidence that he was training with terrorists is ? Nothing apart from being a liar like Key? As far as I can see there is no crime in being Muslim or Christian or even a Moonie. Nor is being in Yemen. In fact there is absolutely nothing that indicates any reason for his murder by a drone operator of the US.

      http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/raw-data-kiwi-killed-drone-strike-%E2%80%94-patrick-gower-interviews-jeremy-scahill-ck-156330

      Based on previous experience, it is most likely he happened to be in the wrong place when one of the murder targets of the US was around. What is the average collateral murder rate of the US drone strikes? 20 innocents to 1 target? Since no real data has been released on how or what or even when this strike took place, we just have to rely on the word of prime minister who has a list of bullshit and lies like the one above. Hardly a credible source.

      Of course the US and probably the stupid like yourself who try to justify this illegal and immoral wholesale slaughter with them being in a “war”. Of course there is that slight issue that congress hasn’t declared that they are in a war. That it isn’t a “war” by any measure of international law. Basically it is just a gutless bully killing bystanders and afterwards labelling them as enemies because of who they were around.

      Sounds like you have a very mushy moral centre – probably more than a little bit atrophied and shrivelled. Kind of person who gets off on watching children being killed as well.

      • Roy 6.2.1
        27 May 2014 at 10:54 am

        Well said lprent.

      • Colonial Viper 6.2.2
        27 May 2014 at 6:54 pm

        And your evidence that he was training with terrorists is ? Nothing apart from being a liar like Key? As far as I can see there is no crime in being Muslim or Christian or even a Moonie.

        We’re back to the good old days of guilt by association. With summary executions and no benefit of a trial. All in the name of “democracy and freedom”.

    • seeker 6.3
      27 May 2014 at 11:30 am

      Watch this video clip fisiani. Hey presto – turns out he/key was telling a…..lie.

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics-videos/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503464&gal_cid=1503464&gallery_id=131968

  7. fisiani 7
    27 May 2014 at 10:58 am

    I foolishly clicked on one at random
    249
    Cam Slater is not and never has been a member of the National Party.

    • Tracey 7.1
      27 May 2014 at 2:14 pm

      but acts as a conduit for national party… remember those photos from a press party… and theres his meetings with pm…

      and yea u chose it randomly… took u to number 240 to find one you thought you could refute without looking foolish… but wait

  8. captain hook 8
    27 May 2014 at 11:06 am

    thats a very fishy statement arnie.

  9. Bob 9
    27 May 2014 at 4:09 pm

    1.”I promise to always be honest” Terrible link! It cuts out what he was actually asked to promise too, then has him promising “I’ll do my best”, that’s not promising to always be honest, in fact it is almost impossible to go through life being 100% honest without living with constant black eyes from every time your wife asks if she ‘looks good in this’.

    3.”there’s no way one in five New Zealanders will lose their jobs” How is this a lie?

    4.”we are not going to cut working for families” He didn’t, all he did was make changes to the marginal tax rate and he said he was going to do that in the same article you linked to!
    “I have long held concerns, in addition, about high effective marginal tax rates acting as a disincentive to people under WFF, but we are confident that this issue will be addressed by our tax package.”

    5.”I firmly believe in climate change and always have” why is this a lie? Even in your link all he says is “and I am somewhat suspicious of it”, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t firmly believe in it. I firmly believe that Fluoride is good for your teeth, but I am somewhat suspicious of it.

    So that is 4 of the first 5 that I can put into my BLip is a liar list? I hope you didn’t spend too much time putting this list together because it certainly feels that way.

    I should add, point 2 was a lie, but this is based on the fact no-one could have predicted the depth of the GFC at the time he said this, so even though it is a lie it is a justifiable one.

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